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NinerRider
05-05-2006, 11:37 AM
Turley tries to return from back problems By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com


Former standout offensive tackle Kyle Turley, who hasn't been in a game since a 2003 playoff loss because of severe back problems, is attempting to revive his career at the Miami Dolphins' mini-camp this weekend.

As a tight end.


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Turley, 30, is an unsigned veteran invitee to the three-day camp, which began on Friday and is principally for rookies. His participation in the camp, which also includes veteran free agent linebacker Barrett Green and undrafted Virginia Tech quarterback Marcus Vick, was first reported by the South Florida Sun Sentinel and subsequently confirmed through team officials.

Weighing about 40 to 50 pounds less than the 309 pounds at which he played right offensive tackle for six seasons with the New Orleans Saints and St. Louis Rams, and trying to adapt to a new position, Turley is definitely a long shot to earn a contract for training camp.

But the former first-round draft choice, who missed only one regular-season game before his back woes sidelined him for more than two years, is determined to get back into the league. It's believed that the tryout with the Dolphins, whose tight end depth chart is a bit unsettled behind starter Randy McMichael, is the first audition that Turley has had.

The former San Diego State star was released by the Rams in June 2005 after he failed a team-administered physical examination. Turley missed the entire 2004 season as well when his back problem flared during training camp and he was placed on injured reserve.

Turley has been treated for more than two years now by Dr. Robert Watkins, a renowned Los Angeles back specialist who performed surgery on a herniated disc in March 2004. Turley re-injured his back four months later and eschewed a second surgery, preferring instead to go through a long rehabilitation that included shedding considerable weight.

During his rehabilitation, Turley suggested that he might return to the league as a defensive end. But he decided that he needed to play a position that placed even fewer demands on his back, and at which he did not need to carry as much bulk, and settled on tight end. It is believed that Turley has spent several months working out in Arizona and performing receiving drills as he attempts to adapt to a new position.

Throughout his recovery, Turley has been adamant that he would not retire, and remained optimistic that he could return to football.

His last game action came Jan. 10, 2004, when the Rams lost to the Carolina Panthers in double overtime of a divisional round playoff contest. Turley played in all 16 regular-season games in 2003. Over six years, Turley appeared in 95 regular-season games, all of them as a starter.

The seventh overall player selected in the 1998 draft, Turley played six seasons with the Saints, and then was traded to the Rams in the spring of 2003.




I guess without the help of steroids he couldn't keep the muscle/strength to deal with the big guys up front.

I actually think this has a chance to work, while not strong enough to play tackle, he's probably still stronger than most TEs and would be a nice blocking TE in double TE formations or goalline situations.

Sidenote: Saban really does like to take chances on players with character issues doesn't he?

jay_1699
05-05-2006, 12:02 PM
It's real easy to injure your lower back while playing offensive line. I crushed my nucleus pulposus around the age of 22 while blocking from the FB position....basically, the very nature of blocking causing one to compress the discs in the lower back quite violently.

low_N_breezy
05-05-2006, 12:24 PM
ever stop to think that the back pains were contributed to being over 300lbs.
not everyone's frame is designed to carry that much weight and the reason for the 40-50lb loss is more to do with medical/health reasons and not because the man was juicing.

Case in point. i'm 230 if i stop lifting for an extended period of time. I've been as heavy as 270. If i'm not careful and i don't gain the weight slowly and do the proper excercises to strengthen my mid section and my lower back with direct excercise then 255+ my back starts hurting and i'm forced to drop the weight and redo things.

it's a conscious choice that people have to make if you are experience back pains and have any size to you. It is not a steroid issue in alot of those cases...

I saw an interview with him saying just that. He said he isnt naturally a 300 pounder and his whole life was lifting and eating to get to playing weight

NinerRider
05-05-2006, 12:36 PM
Taken from an interview with Dan Patrick http://espn.go.com/talent/danpatrick/s/2002/0919/1433808.html

DP: Should baseball test for steroids?
KT: If we've got to, I think every sport should have to. I mean, it's ridiculous how much we get tested for that stuff in the NFL, and we need it the most. Those guys don't even need that crap. I mean, we need it.
DP: So you would try it?
KT: I don't know ... I've never done it because of a personal desire. And because I got a personal drive in me that I know I can get through without it. ... If I knew I wouldn't get tested, well -- see, people put this information out it that it's such a bad thing when, if you use it correctly, there's not too many side effects. If you abuse anything. you're going to have serious side effects. If you drink too much diet cola, you're going to get cancer, you know. So in excess, anything is bad, but if you can scientifically measure something out to where it can help you out but you don't get addicted to it or anything like that, there shouldn't be a problem with that. But I don't agree with it being in sports.
DP: Do you know guys who circumvent the testing and get away with it?
KT: Yeah, I'm sure guys do that. I'm sure they do. But they test so randomly in the NFL, it would be hard.
DP: Would you lose respect for somebody if you knew they used steroids?
KT: Only if it affected the team -- if they were stupid about it. In college we had a couple of guys use it who weren't really contributing to the team and got thrown out, so it was like no big deal. But there were other guys in college who would do it and then they'd get suspended for the rest of the year -- and it affected the team. ... I know that I don't do it and none of my buddies on the team do it. I don't know anybody on our team who does steroids. For someone to think they have to when everybody else isn't, that's selfish, especially if it affects the team and they get busted if they play a major role in the team.
KT: Definitely. Didn't the state of Nevada pass that or something?
DP: They were going to vote on it.
KT: Yeah, I definitely think so. I mean, I think the government is missing out on a great income thing right there. If they legalized marijuana, the South would rise again, Hawaii would be the No. 1 state in the country and we wouldn't have any more debt. That deficit would be no more.
DP: But we'd have a lot of messed-up people.
KT: Hey, the world would be a better place, man. I can guarantee that. I don't know too many people that go start shooting people and driving crazy on marijuana. Marijuana, the people that I know that smoke it are mellow people and they just lay low.

Some of his answers are pretty interesting, make you think. Love his stance on legalization though :clapping:

felixdakatt
05-05-2006, 12:46 PM
ever stop to think that the back pains were contributed to being over 300lbs.
not everyone's frame is designed to carry that much weight and the reason for the 40-50lb loss is more to do with medical/health reasons and not because the man was juicing.

Case in point. i'm 230 if i stop lifting for an extended period of time. I've been as heavy as 270. If i'm not careful and i don't gain the weight slowly and do the proper excercises to strengthen my mid section and my lower back with direct excercise then 255+ my back starts hurting and i'm forced to drop the weight and redo things.

it's a conscious choice that people have to make if you are experience back pains and have any size to you. It is not a steroid issue in alot of those cases...
I'm dealing with the same **** thing right now.:sad:

NinerRider
05-05-2006, 12:59 PM
DP: So you would try it?
KT: I don't know ... I've never done it because of a personal desire. And because I got a personal drive in me that I know I can get through without it. ...

I'm not going to pretend that there's others trying to use the whizzinator
and i'm not going to disagree with him that in a sport where you are judged on strength, size, and speed that there's a higher than normal temptation. I've been through all that. but i won't say his weight loss is from a lack of steroid use when i know how back problems come about from people that are on the higher end of the bathroom scales...


Obviously his 1st response is going to be the standard "I've never done it" But as he goes on with his answer he reveals he really doesn't have a problem with people using steroids as long as they do it right. If he doesn't have a problem with it, why wouldn' he do it? Especially when earlier in the interview he stated "If you aint cheating, you aint trying"

As for the back problems, you know more about that than I would, so I'm not going to dispute that it's a possibility. I was just going off of what I saw, and what I saw was a guy that 5-6 months later looked about 50-75 lbs lighter. His history with the whole helmet tossing thing(he was just protecting his QB though) and then the threatening to kill Martz thing just screamed of roid rage too.

Anyway, like I said, I think his move to TE might be a good move for him, especially on a heavy run oriented team. Anyone know if he ever played TE in college or anything? DOes he have nice hands?

jay_1699
05-05-2006, 01:06 PM
ever stop to think that the back pains were contributed to being over 300lbs.
not everyone's frame is designed to carry that much weight and the reason for the 40-50lb loss is more to do with medical/health reasons and not because the man was juicing.

Case in point. i'm 230 if i stop lifting for an extended period of time. I've been as heavy as 270. If i'm not careful and i don't gain the weight slowly and do the proper excercises to strengthen my mid section and my lower back with direct excercise then 255+ my back starts hurting and i'm forced to drop the weight and redo things.

it's a conscious choice that people have to make if you are experience back pains and have any size to you. It is not a steroid issue in alot of those cases...


I'm in the same weight range. Though not lifting/exercising causes me to balloon to 260ish, while lifting and exercise keeps my weight in the 230 range. I'm the type of person who can't drop much below 220 without starving myself and getting sick all the time . My body is meant to have some fat and muscle on it I guess:-)

As far as back problems go, I really don't notice a difference in back pain between 230 and 260....mine is fairly consistent unfortunately.

jay_1699
05-05-2006, 02:19 PM
your situation may just be a matter of strengthening your core through situps/crunches and good mornings.


My problem is a crushed nucleus pulposus (ball bearing in your intervertebral discs). There really isn't anything you can do if the problem persists other then surgery, which only has a 50/50 shot at helping and can paralyze you or make the pain worse. I'm quite strong in my lower back and routinely do sit-ups....I did the physical therapy thing several years ago when I first injured my back and it really didn't do much. Some people with this injury just have to live with it and limit the things that inflame it (for me that means standing still and/or any movement which causes me to use my lower back:-(.

I must admit, it's been awhile since I last tried working with my lower back....maybe it's time to start working on it again.

OStigers2000
05-07-2006, 01:20 PM
ever stop to think that the back pains were contributed to being over 300lbs.
not everyone's frame is designed to carry that much weight and the reason for the 40-50lb loss is more to do with medical/health reasons and not because the man was juicing.

Case in point. i'm 230 if i stop lifting for an extended period of time. I've been as heavy as 270. If i'm not careful and i don't gain the weight slowly and do the proper excercises to strengthen my mid section and my lower back with direct excercise then 255+ my back starts hurting and i'm forced to drop the weight and redo things.

it's a conscious choice that people have to make if you are experience back pains and have any size to you. It is not a steroid issue in alot of those cases...


couldnt have put it better myself. I deal with the same, I am 225 right now and I have gotten to 250 and if I just stopped lifting I would have sever back pain and I have had L5-S1 disc removal myself. You put a lot of pressure on those dics to carry your weight around.

alex smith11
08-12-2008, 07:00 AM
ya i agree

krnbanguboi
08-12-2008, 09:08 AM
I still give him major props for trying out again.

Bast
08-12-2008, 09:41 AM
Lets sign him