am i the only one upset

[NolansTheMan]

i lov ethe diea that we would get a new stadium and such, i want to make sure i got out there before they leave the current one. But i dont like the idea of leaving SF. i know other teams dont have their staidums in their cities, but thats what makes us so special. is there some way we can expand and uild a new stadium next to the old one and play in the old one untill the new on gets built. i want to stay in SF. i cant imagine going away from SF, because once its gone, it will never come back.

PS. driving time and miles, how far is santa clara from SF for anyone who lives there?

[Giant9erShark]

I'm know a ton of people are upset even if their not moving that far they're still moving out of SF and where suppose to be the ones who are faithful? :nonono:

[NolansTheMan]

if it costs more then what is expected or something, i hope the nfl can spend the money or the city of SF, or state of california. this team needs to be in SF.

[NolansTheMan]

I'm know a ton of people are upset even if their not moving that far they're still moving out of SF and where suppose to be the ones who are faithful? :nonono:

its nice to know i am not the only one upset. just when i was feeling good, with a win and on the rihgt track, we get this. i am faithful and that is why i am upset

[EastCoast9erFan]

i started out upset this morning when i heard the news, i was at work and received a text with the news. i wasn't able to read why. i was pissed! onc ei got home and read why, i am less pissed of, maybe it's because i am on the east coast and i will never get to SF to watch a niner game. as long as the name doesn't change i will be happy. if they move, that means another city is willing to put up some money to get them there and hopefully that means more local support from fans.

now i have read about why, i say good.

[photomonkey]

I'm know a ton of people are upset even if their not moving that far they're still moving out of SF and where suppose to be the ones who are faithful? :nonono:

No offense intended, but what did you say?

[Dynastic]

The SF residents should be pissed, as well as those living up north. But the majority of the fans are either happy or they don't mind it.

[photomonkey]

its nice to know i am not the only one upset. just when i was feeling good, with a win and on the rihgt track, we get this. i am faithful and that is why i am upset

Where do you live? Do you have any clue when it comes to the geography of the San Francisco Bay Area? Perhaps you're one of the folks that calls San Francisco ----- "frisco".

Relax ----- Santa Clara is in the South Bay - the South San Francisco Bay! They will still be the San Francisco 49ers, but there will be a new stadium in which we don't have to contend with some of the sickest crappers in the western U.S.

[NolansTheMan]

Where do you live? Do you have any clue when it comes to the geography of the San Francisco Bay Area? Perhaps you're one of the folks that calls San Francisco ----- "frisco".

Relax ----- Santa Clara is in the South Bay - the South San Francisco Bay! They will still be the San Francisco 49ers, but there will be a new stadium in which we don't have to contend with some of the sickest crappers in the western U.S.


its nice for u to take things out of context, how bout u read the whole post. as i said earlier, im on the east coast, CT. i asked before how far santa clara was driving and time wise from SF. its just the thought of not being in the city that makes me sad. One day the current stadium and crumble, that will be a sad, sad image. though it doesnt have to happed. i hope the city and team and nfl come to an agreement and stay in the city. i will defintley go out there, visit my family there, and see a game before they shut don candlestick

[kavaholic]

i lov ethe diea that we would get a new stadium and such, i want to make sure i got out there before they leave the current one. But i dont like the idea of leaving SF. i know other teams dont have their staidums in their cities, but thats what makes us so special. is there some way we can expand and uild a new stadium next to the old one and play in the old one untill the new on gets built. i want to stay in SF. i cant imagine going away from SF, because once its gone, it will never come back.

PS. driving time and miles, how far is santa clara from SF for anyone who lives there?
Shoot...IM HAPPY!!! Im closer to Santa Clara than I am to SF. Who cares that we're moving out of S.F?!! Its still the S.F 49ers. Just look on the bright side...Just as long as we're still here in the bay area and NOT Los ANGELES!!!

[NolansTheMan]

Shoot...IM HAPPY!!! Im closer to Santa Clara than I am to SF. Who cares that we're moving out of S.F?!! Its still the S.F 49ers. Just look on the bright side...Just as long as we're still here in the bay area and NOT Los ANGELES!!!

you do realize if we went ot LA, there would be outrage. no offense, but were a good team when it comes to filling the seats. every time i see a 49er game at home, the seats are all filled. if ur gunna mvoe a team to LA, move a team that doest have big fan base. not the 49ers who have along history and large fan base.

[zackscool]

Shoot...IM HAPPY!!! Im closer to Santa Clara than I am to SF. Who cares that we're moving out of S.F?!! Its still the S.F 49ers. Just look on the bright side...Just as long as we're still here in the bay area and NOT Los ANGELES!!!

Lets wait to see what happens. If York moves the team to LA then it was for the money. If he moves the team to Santa Clara then it was for the fans. The same crap happened in seattle until Paul Allen decided to buy the team.

[photomonkey]

its nice for u to take things out of context, how bout u read the whole post. as i said earlier, im on the east coast, CT. i asked before how far santa clara was driving and time wise from SF. its just the thought of not being in the city that makes me sad. One day the current stadium and crumble, that will be a sad, sad image. though it doesnt have to happed. i hope the city and team and nfl come to an agreement and stay in the city. i will defintley go out there, visit my family there, and see a game before they shut don candlestick

READ my response - I answered your inane question thoroughly. Grab a road atlas next time. Since you have family out here, maybe you want to familiarize yourself with the region so you can get from the airport to their pad. Santa Clara is 40 miles from San Francisco - not all that far. :doubleup:

[Local49ersFan]

Mayor Newsome said not so fast. The 49ers lease will expire after the 2008 season. If he wants to play hardball, the 49ers will have to find a place to play if the new stadium cannot be built by 2008 (of course it won't).

Does this mean SF can save that 100 mil that was promised to the team? Is Santa Clara supposed to make up the difference? When they presented the stadium layout earlier this year, knowing all along it was intended for Santa Clara (as a backup plan then). Nolan mentioned after the Chicago game how the structure of the team has improved and function ing well with Lisa Lang in charge of building the new stadium. Is that what he was referring to?

As for myself, I usually take the Muni Ball Park Express and be at the Stick in 45 minutes. Maybe I'll just watch TV from home after the move because I am sure I'll lose my seat and some kind of PSL will be needed for the new stadium.

[Alpha Strike]

I am thrilled they are remaining in the BayArea. Indeed there is a good reason to support this, that is because they get a new stadium out of it. I'd been ticked if they decided to move to the Southern half of the state. All hell would have been let loose in Santa Clara if we had to wait every four years to see our Niners in games against the Raiders.

Personally I would have loved to see them move further north to Sacramento. Give the Capital an NFL team so we don't have to watch the basketball choke Kings every year with out some sort of change of pace.

[Bryon]

who cares? several teams don't play in the cities that are in their names

[Bryon]

Mayor Newsome said not so fast. The 49ers lease will expire after the 2008 season. If he wants to play hardball, the 49ers will have to find a place to play if the new stadium cannot be built by 2008 (of course it won't).
.



i'm sure they could find a college field to play on until the new stadium is done

[LOS41510]

We need the team to be in san francisco. Its name is san francisco 49ers, not santa clara, la or california 49ers.. and im not implying that we dont have diehard niners fans outside san francisco, the bay area or elsewhere but its just that the 49ers have tradition and roots and history in the city by the bay. im upset as you and IM A DIEHARD NINERS FAN

LOS

sigh.. Y!!!

[Bryon]

We need the team to be in san francisco. Its name is san francisco 49ers, not santa clara, la or california 49ers.. and im not implying that we dont have diehard niners fans outside san francisco, the bay area or elsewhere but its just that the 49ers have tradition and roots and history in the city by the bay. im upset as you and IM A DIEHARD NINERS FAN

LOS

sigh.. Y!!!




http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showpost.php?p=310009&postcount=19

[Fromthe3rdRow]

i'm sure they could find a college field to play on until the new stadium is doneThey just finished building a brand new one at Stanford University. And a great job they did too - from first shovel to kick off whistle in less than a year.

And if one more person make mention of that horrible three letter phrase referring to the attrocious concept of Personal Seal Licenses - I'ma gonna call on a Raider fan to hunt him down like a dog and beat 'em with a swizzle stick!:hunter:

We don't use dem letters roun here.

[Monster49er]

They just finished building a brand new one at Stanford University. And a great job they did too - from first shovel to kick off whistle in less than a year.

And if one more person make mention of that horrible three letter phrase referring to the attrocious concept of Personal Seal Licenses - I'ma gonna call on a Raider fan to hunt him down like a dog and beat 'em with a swizzle stick!:hunter:

We don't use dem letters roun here.


PLus, we want the same seats!

[Giant9erShark]

who cares? several teams don't play in the cities that are in their names

Maybe i'm one of the few who hates it when an organization does that you should always bare the name of the city you play for, if you don't it just seem like your ashamed of the city you play for (unless there is a good reason like the New Orleans Hornets who moved to Oklahoma City but even they are using Oklahoma City Hornets jerseys).:unsure:

[J77Niner4Life]

We need the team to be in san francisco. Its name is san francisco 49ers, not santa clara, la or california 49ers.. and im not implying that we dont have diehard niners fans outside san francisco, the bay area or elsewhere but its just that the 49ers have tradition and roots and history in the city by the bay. im upset as you and IM A DIEHARD NINERS FAN

LOS

sigh.. Y!!!

Unfortunately "the city by the bay" is a huge headache full of red tape and no real estate. The mayor wants the Niners to stay because he doesn't want to be the guy who ran the Niners out of town.

I was born at UCSF medical center in 1977, I lived in the east bay for the first 14 years of my life, I've been watching the Niners play for as long as I can remember. If moving to Santa Clara will enable the team to spend money more wisely and provide fans with a better experience I could care less where in the bay the team moves.

The only thing that bothers me are people that don't care if the Niners moved out of the bay. I consider myself a diehard niner fan, what you're describing is a purest. As far as I'm concerned the benefits far outweigh the footnote of remaining in the city limits.

[kezar71]

i lov ethe diea that we would get a new stadium and such, i want to make sure i got out there before they leave the current one. But i dont like the idea of leaving SF. i know other teams dont have their staidums in their cities, but thats what makes us so special. is there some way we can expand and uild a new stadium next to the old one and play in the old one untill the new on gets built. i want to stay in SF. i cant imagine going away from SF, because once its gone, it will never come back.

PS. driving time and miles, how far is santa clara from SF for anyone who lives there?Most fans are out of SF, many are natives of SF or related to the old Kezar fans....so what Santa Clara!!! as long as they keep the San Francisco 49ers name; or would you prefer them to be called the
Golden State Niners......CAN'T HAVE EVERYTHING!!! if the city is more interested in having "the rainbow parade" than building a stadium,so let it be::cool2:

[BrentJones84]

I was born and raised in SF (and was in fact, born just a few blocks from Kezar stadium).

I am not the least upset about the team going to Santa Clara.

It's not far, a lot of so called "San Francisco" events get held at Shoreline amphitheater and other peninsula locations. The team is already based in Santa Clara, and has been for years and years.

This is no big deal.

[49ers Ephon]

they should build it in san luis!

[817NINERFAN]

Im glad that the team is moving. My parents had season tickets when I was younger. I know what it feels like to have to drive through the middle of the ghetto on gameday. There is nothing like the smell of urine all over potholes in the street......people charging to park in the driveway......crack rocks be tossed your way as if they were skittles.....

And now a few words for the people of the once great city but now waste dump that they call the bay.......BLAME YOURSELF.....you let your city go to waste....football on the High School level is in trouble.....and yeah It's not a good ideal to help the poor people and give them jobs and even a few places to shop....no you would rather have them steal from you and sell drugs on the corner....but you know the trend of putting stadiums in the Ghetto is over.....we just move them to the upscale area's....hey we even might have a few soldout games when there done.....you know the internet guys have alot of money to spend and alot of luxury boxes that they can fill up......

See it all makes since....while your town was to busy posting rainbow flags down market the rest of the world was building stadiums......

[IowaNinersFan]

who cares? several teams don't play in the cities that are in their names
Amen to that. The Giants/Jets don't even play in NY. Instead they play ball in NJ where NY'ers dump their trash and NJ isn't even a real state. :dance2:

Remember the LA Rams? They played in Anaheim which is not even in LA County.

[ForeverYoung880]

I cant stand the new ownership and alot of this is due to the York regime which hasnt run the Niners to sharply and this just adds to it. There is so much history on the field at Candlestick itll be hard to move but it might be for the best....

[IowaNinersFan]

I cant stand the new ownership and alot of this is due to the York regime which hasnt run the Niners to sharply and this just adds to it. There is so much history on the field at Candlestick itll be hard to move but it might be for the best....
There were history at Kezar too and look what happened.

[BrentJones84]

Amen to that. The Giants/Jets don't even play in NY. Instead they play ball in NJ where NY'ers dump their trash and NJ isn't even a real state. :dance2:

Remember the LA Rams? They played in Anaheim which is not even in LA County.

Yup.

[ForeverYoung880]

Your right but not like Candlestick... Ive been a Niner fan since 89 and thats all i know is this stadium. Doesnt matter where they play i guess as long as they dont change the name and even tho York said they will remain the SF 49ers, i dont believe a word that $%^& says

[ptysell]

This is all the city of San Francisco's fault. Why should the 49ers want to stay in SF?

THERE IS NO REASON. The city government is a joke. They pull the

"we have no money"
"There is no land"

and have most of you fooled. There is plenty of land and there is plenty of money.

It is the same in Oakland.

If the city is not willing to support a pro team then why should the pro team support the city?

Am I pissed at the 49ers, yes but I know that it is not their fault - same with the A's.

There are plenty of drug/bumb filled parks which they could build a stadium on. The people of SF are the ones to blame. They elect these fools and nothing ever gets done. What has chanced in SF over the past 20 years? Nothing because the fools in SF keep electing the same people who get nothing done and when someone wants to get something done they get labeled a radical conservative or a fascist.

Ok sorry about that rant but it is all true - go niners!

[sandiegojoe]

It's not like candlestick really is that closely related to the thought of "San Francisco" It's pretty far from the downtown, the Golden Gate Bridge, etc. I could see if it were right next to pier 39 with a view of alcatraz, but instead it's got a view of the airport and mid-bay.

the Giants stadium is a SF stadium. Candlestick is off on the outskirts of town.

[ForeverYoung880]

Where's Willie Brown!?!?

[ethanh]

It is a big deal. Yes I live in SF and yes my buddies I tailgate with are all form the north bay. However York as killed the Olympics in the Bay area with this move and pissed off a lot of faithful fans. I want a new stadium in SF. Newsome better start slinging dirt and make York beg to come back. Anyone who is on Yorks side has not been paying attention the last few years.:madgal:

[49erFanFoLife]

thats messed up especially to live the SF area what the hell is that. it doesn't make no sense at all?

[IowaNinersFan]

Where's Willie Brown!?!?
Somewhere having illegitemate kids and referring to people as "disgrace to society".

[sandiegojoe]

For those unfamiliar with the bay area, here's an aerial photo.

http://static.flickr.com/116/293537373_56863bc3c0.jpg

[J77Niner4Life]

It is a big deal. Yes I live in SF and yes my buddies I tailgate with are all form the north bay. However York as killed the Olympics in the Bay area with this move and pissed off a lot of faithful fans. I want a new stadium in SF. Newsome better start slinging dirt and make York beg to come back. Anyone who is on Yorks side has not been paying attention the last few years.:madgal:

Here's the way I see it. The candlestick site, with the mixed development plan is just not going to work. Santa Clara was the backup site and didn't have the major transportation issues of the SF site. Something I found very interesting about John York's recent PC was the fact that the mixed development part of the plan would be located away from the stadium in Santa Clara. It was also mentioned that the majority of road reconstruction was for access to the mixed development plan in SF.

If Newsome can come up with an alternate location for the housing/commercial development to help privately fund the new stadium it would solve a lot of issues, including the ridiculous idea of a 10,000 space parking garage. Either that or he proposes a new site for the stadium.

[giants49ergurl]

i lov ethe diea that we would get a new stadium and such, i want to make sure i got out there before they leave the current one. But i dont like the idea of leaving SF. i know other teams dont have their staidums in their cities, but thats what makes us so special. is there some way we can expand and uild a new stadium next to the old one and play in the old one untill the new on gets built. i want to stay in SF. i cant imagine going away from SF, because once its gone, it will never come back.

PS. driving time and miles, how far is santa clara from SF for anyone who lives there?

I’m upset about it. I want them to stay in SF. In fact yesterday when it was posted on the board I flipped out and it took me until this morning to really calm down. I don’t think it’s 100% guarantee as to where the stadium is going. It could go in Santa Clara but it also could just be a scare, so the city of SF steps up. So until I know it’s a 100% done deal I’m not gonna worry anymore because there is nothing any of us can do about it.

[Hopper15]

i'm sure they could find a college field to play on until the new stadium is done

For 4 years :falldownlaugh:

[Laces]

who cares? several teams don't play in the cities that are in their names
Bingo!

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

What's the big deal? Candlestick Park isn't even in San Francisco now. It's in South San Francisco, which is a different city.

[Hopper15]

I still think the city of SF will find a new stadium for the 49ers some where in downtwon SF. Trust me the city San Francisco can not afford to lose the 49ers.

[J77Niner4Life]

For 4 years :falldownlaugh:

I couldn't hear the question in today's PC but the answer was they had a 19 year lease with options and they will continue to play. :read:

[sunsetguy]

As a native San Franciscan, this is a sad turn of events. I'm not even that old, but it seems like all the great traditions of the city are slowly falling by the wayside. All that being said, candlestick point is not a great solution and I can't blame ownership for looking elsewhere in the bay area. I only wish they could have stayed somewhere closer to actual SF, like the norther peninsula.

:violin:

[Sum49er33]

:gathering:

I'm disappointed that the team & city of SF were not able to reach an agreement, but I know that John York does want this team back to the glory days and securing a new stadium is of the utmost importance to him. I trust in Coach Nolan as well as Singletary & Norv Turner. I'm really interested in seeing how our team performs in the 2nd half. The 2007 Draft is lookin' strong. IF we could bring in one more offensive weapon the caliber of Calvin Johnson I feel we will have one of the NFL's ELITE offenses in the coming years. I look for us to sign at least 1 big name DEFENSIVE star to help speed along the rebuilding of the D and for a Defensive dominated draft. Our team is headed in the right direction and I remain faithful. THe 6th is coming.

[FriscoNative415]

I was born and raised in "Frisco" and im pissed. Don't get me wrong, I would love to have a new stadium, but it should be in SF. I understand the 9er headquarters is in Santa Clara(which bothered me), but im am proud of my city and the 9ers. Not to knock any of the fans anywhere else but the 9ers should stay in SF and no where else. Both sides(the 9ers and the city) should try very hard to resolve this situation.

[IowaNinersFan]

I still think the city of SF will find a new stadium for the 49ers some where in downtwon SF. Trust me the city San Francisco can not afford to lose the 49ers.
Where exactly in downtown SF is there room for a stadium? Enquirer wants to know.

[cappy1]

This is better for the 49ers. Candlestick is a dump. Candlestick point is a dump. Building another stadium there would waste the revenue it could bring to and from a truley populated and commercial area.

If this is what it takes to keep the Niners in the SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA then okay! Or would you rather the remote possibility they move to LA?

Niners fans come from all over the bay area. South Bay fans have been driving 45 miles/45 mins every sunday for decades... now fans from San Francisco can make the trip. The Niners are not for San Francisco citizens only... they're for people who live in the San francisco bay Area....

just like the cowboys don't play in dallas... the jets and giants don't play in New York...

On one hand it's sad to see them leave SF.... but face it, San Francisco isn't even the biggest city in the Bay Area anymore. San Jose is larger.

The team will always be the San Francisco 49ers, they will wear the same colors, have the same history, all the same people can go to the games... some people will get their quicker now... some people it'll take a little longer. And now they'll have a beautiful new stadium with fantastic amenities, a non-sketchy neighbor, better transportation options, no parking in a dirt lot on the side of a hill (i'll actually miss that lot) and more money to put back into the team.

This is a good thing. The Bay Area is one metropolitan community. One.

Go niners! :francis: :ninerh: :whip:
P.S. I love all the smiley face options!!

[49erAddiction]

U have the right to be upset, but on the other hand be happy they aren't going far, and we are getting a fancy new stadium!

[Niner Jan]

It's not WHERE you play; it's HOW you play that's more important. And besides, currently the Stick is in South San Francisco, NOT San Francisco.

Why should we pay such a high premium to clean up the environment for the mixed use of the land--plus have all that construction noise going on during the next 6 years there? And there would not be room for tailgating (you can't tailgate in a parking structure)...

I think it's all for the better. Also, more fans are from the Bay Area than from the City of SF.

[Hopper15]

Where exactly in downtown SF is there room for a stadium? Enquirer wants to know.

Yeah there's some room for a stadium in downtown SF mainly by fishermens wharf, Parking might be a problem but's it much better site then candlestick point.

[Row1Endzone]

its nice for u to take things out of context, how bout u read the whole post. as i said earlier, im on the east coast, CT. i asked before how far santa clara was driving and time wise from SF. its just the thought of not being in the city that makes me sad. One day the current stadium and crumble, that will be a sad, sad image. though it doesnt have to happed. i hope the city and team and nfl come to an agreement and stay in the city. i will defintley go out there, visit my family there, and see a game before they shut don candlestick

Don't bother Latka, I'm a season ticket holder and I can confirm that Candle stick is a Crap Bucket! Driving through the Ghetto to get there is even worse, I can't wait until my 2.5 hour drive to Crapstick turns into a 1.5 hour drive to Cadillac Field in Santa Clara to see my much happier 49er team win football games.

[Hopper15]

Don't bother Latka, I'm a season ticket holder and I can confirm that Candle stick is a Crap Bucket! Driving through the Ghetto to get there is even worse, I can't wait until my 2.5 hour drive to Crapstick turns into a 1.5 hour drive to Cadillac Field in Santa Clara to see my much happier 49er team win football games.

It's not as bad as you make it out to be. Unless your messing with people.

[Row1Endzone]

It's not as bad as you make it out to be. Unless your messing with people.

I bring my brother in law who is a Ugh....Raider fan to a game, and he calls it...a toilet, the worst he has ever seen.
Besides, I'm not making it out....or up, the stadium is THE WORST in the NFL & you wouldn't catch me in the neighborhood after dark.
:shoot:

[Row1Endzone]

Yeah there's some room for a stadium in downtown SF mainly by fishermens wharf, Parking might be a problem but's it much better site then candlestick point.

Where?

[osu49ers#1fan]

why is everyone pissed the niners are moving to santa clara???? they are not going to change their name to santa clara 49ers.....its just like the ny giants....their stadium is in new jersy, but they are called ny giants

[fabie]

i lov ethe diea that we would get a new stadium and such, i want to make sure i got out there before they leave the current one. But i dont like the idea of leaving SF. i know other teams dont have their staidums in their cities, but thats what makes us so special. is there some way we can expand and uild a new stadium next to the old one and play in the old one untill the new on gets built. i want to stay in SF. i cant imagine going away from SF, because once its gone, it will never come back.

PS. driving time and miles, how far is santa clara from SF for anyone who lives there?This MB site has concluded that YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE UPSET! :fishing::falldownlaugh:

[giants49ergurl]

why is everyone pissed the niners are moving to santa clara???? they are not going to change their name to santa clara 49ers.....its just like the ny giants....their stadium is in new jersy, but they are called ny giants
that may be true..but on the news tonight the mayor said if the 49ers leave the city they will not take the SF name with them.

[giants49ergurl]

This MB site has concluded that YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE UPSET! :fishing::falldownlaugh:
I'm upset i just dont see the point in going around yelling about it when nothing had be finalized. For all we know this could be a scare tactic towards the city.

[statniner]

I though ya'll want a new stadium. God **** you all keep whining, you all better hope we are at least as close as Santa Clara instead of moving to god **** L.A. or way farther than we all live.

[AndrewP]

i dont think its up to the maayor to decide that is it?

[statniner]

that may be true..but on the news tonight the mayor said if the 49ers leave the city they will not take the SF name with them.


With that statement from the Mayor, it seems like Dr. York and Newson ain't bonding too well on the talks. If the Mayor really doesn't want to keep the S.F. name, doesn't that make the mayor look like an unsupportive fool? Come on, this is a Bay Area team, why cause more conflict.

[Row1Endzone]

I though ya'll want a new stadium. God **** you all keep whining, you all better hope we are at least as close as Santa Clara instead of moving to god **** L.A. or way farther than we all live.

Exactly.

[giants49ergurl]

With that statement from the Mayor, it seems like Dr. York and Newson ain't bonding too well on the talks. If the Mayor really doesn't want to keep the S.F. name, doesn't that make the mayor look like an unsupportive fool? Come on, this is a Bay Area team, why cause more conflict.
well from what the mayor said on the news there is alot of conflict.

[Hopper15]

I don't trust York, he might just do something stupid and change the name to the santa clara 49ers. I know he's saying he won't but you just never know with this guy.

[Hopper15]

that may be true..but on the news tonight the mayor said if the 49ers leave the city they will not take the SF name with them.

All ****, This may Newsomes way to get back at york

[statniner]

well from what the mayor said on the news there is alot of conflict.


Eh? Well what do we suggest do to either Gavin or John? I really do think the mayor can't do anything about it. Our Santa Clara high powers are taking care of it for now, right? As for the name S.F., I also think we don't have to worry about it. 49er fans would really get angry if Gavin won't allow our team to use S.F. I also think that if any 49er fan living outside of the west coast is asked whether it'd be foolish to rename S.F. 49ers to S.C. 49ers, I think those fans would feel a little upset and think it'd be an absurd move also.

[fabie]

I'm upset i just dont see the point in going around yelling about it when nothing had be finalized. For all we know this could be a scare tactic towards the city.I thought of that too....good one!

[J77Niner4Life]

I bring my brother in law who is a Ugh....Raider fan to a game, and he calls it...a toilet, the worst he has ever seen.
Besides, I'm not making it out....or up, the stadium is THE WORST in the NFL & you wouldn't catch me in the neighborhood after dark.
:shoot:

Has he ever been to Oakland?

[kezar71]

I was born and raised in SF (and was in fact, born just a few blocks from Kezar stadium).

I am not the least upset about the team going to Santa Clara.

It's not far, a lot of so called "San Francisco" events get held at Shoreline amphitheater and other peninsula locations. The team is already based in Santa Clara, and has been for years and years.

This is no big deal.Yup, so did I live near Grattan Park, South of Frederick St, top of Stanyan St near 17TH.....could hear the crowd roar as
YA and Hugh Mc led the Niners......the days of POLY,Lowell,SH, SI, Lincoln,
Mission, Washington, Galileo and Balboa football pageant at Kezar to kick off
the football season for high schools.......etc.. ahhh the old days when a Qb
could get hit after he released the ball and the fans could drink as much as
they liked:biggrin:

[Iamavictory]

If Mayor Gavin would like to become the most hated mayor in the history of San Francisco he will keep his BS up. If they are going to move without keeping the SF, they might as well move to Sac and name the team Sutter's Mill 49ers...

[Teke]

You can't copyright a city name. If that were the case the original Springfield would have sued the other 50 Springfield's in the US by now. You can, however, copyright and trademark a cities name as a business. For instance, some of the team's logo's have the city on it and are trademarks owned y the organization. The organization owns the right to be called the SF 49ers. They have built that name recognition with their "customers" over the years. Now why should they have to change because their moving? Does "Seattle's Best" coffee have to change it's name every time it opens a shop in a new city? And to go a little further, does "Crystal Geyser" water actually have to come from a geyser? Or "mountain spring" water? The answer is no. Most of that water comes from L.A. straight out of the tap.

[DraconisRex]

that may be true..but on the news tonight the mayor said if the 49ers leave the city they will not take the SF name with them.


The Mayor's got no say in the matter and is part of the reason the 49ers are moving so I don't, frankly, give a flip what he thinks.

[DraconisRex]

I don't trust York, he might just do something stupid and change the name to the santa clara 49ers. I know he's saying he won't but you just never know with this guy.


Why would he? Seriously? One good reason. Not faulty logic or rumor mongering or irrational fear based on your projections and issues, but one good reason based on emperical evidence.

[bsy]

You can't copyright a city name. If that were the case the original Springfield would have sued the other 50 Springfield's in the US by now. You can, however, copyright and trademark a cities name as a business. For instance, some of the team's logo's have the city on it and are trademarks owned y the organization. The organization owns the right to be called the SF 49ers. They have built that name recognition with their "customers" over the years. Now why should they have to change because their moving? Does "Seattle's Best" coffee have to change it's name every time it opens a shop in a new city? And to go a little further, does "Crystal Geyser" water actually have to come from a geyser? Or "mountain spring" water? The answer is no. Most of that water comes from L.A. straight out of the tap.

Yes. It is a commercial brand name like for any product only it happens to represent a professional sports team. You have thousands of companies that are named after a city, state, region, country that have no connection with said city, etc. Ferchrissakes, there's probably a company in guandong, china named San Francisco Polymers Inc.

Not living in SF, I got to ask. How smart is the mayor of SF to even suggest such a thing?

Maybe there's a corporate or patent/copyright attorney on this MB who could provide a professional opinion to the contrary but I say the Mayor is off his rocker. :wacko:

[Bryon]

Amen to that. The Giants/Jets don't even play in NY. Instead they play ball in NJ where NY'ers dump their trash and NJ isn't even a real state. :dance2:

Remember the LA Rams? They played in Anaheim which is not even in LA County.



not to mention our favorite rivals who play in Irving, Texas and not Dallas:shades:

[Teke]

I know this and the only law class I've ever taken is an overview of Business Law. I'm wondering if the mayor is just trying to get 49er fans on his side by coming out and saying this. The city has lawyers, most of which have probably told him there's no way he wins a case to make the 49ers change their brand name. It's a last ditch effort to save his city from losing on millions of dollars in taxes.

I think it was stated best on espn.com when a reporter said something to the effect of: it's not personal, it's just business.

In my only visit to San Francisco, one theme became a prominent fixture in my mind about the city. Everything seems to be squeezed together to fit just right. Throw in something as large as a football stadium and you're talking about a lot more money needed than a city that has wide open spaces for the city to build on. I used to want to live in San Francisco until I saw how crowded it is. It wouldn't be so bad if prices were commensurate with the level of happiness I could find by living in a sardine can, but SF seems to be charging more for this living arrangement. For this reason, I can understand where York is coming from. As much as I dislike the guy, I would have done the same thing.

[loren]

With that statement from the Mayor, it seems like Dr. York and Newson ain't bonding too well on the talks. If the Mayor really doesn't want to keep the S.F. name, doesn't that make the mayor look like an unsupportive fool? Come on, this is a Bay Area team, why cause more conflict.Could it be a poker move by York throwing high stakes on the table? The move will not happen until after an election or two, leaving voters and supervisors another shot at getting it right. It might be a tactical move to keep them in the city or simply spruce up Candlestick. We'll have an ace once we start winning and a hole card now that everyone in town is talking about an actual threat.

[fabie]

Could it be a poker move by York throwing high stakes on the table? The move will not happen until after an election or two, leaving voters and supervisors another shot at getting it right. It might be a tactical move to keep them in the city or simply spruce up Candlestick. We'll have an ace once we start winning and a hole card now that everyone in town is talking about an actual threat.You are right, this could be a possibility....a bold political statement on our stance so as to "pressure" the city of San Francisco. It could just be a smoke screen, for all we know.

But there are some legitimate threat to this and there is still time because the actual move is a long process with fluctuating financial negotiations, political moves, planning and etc.

So again, after this one, it would slap the city of SF with their constituents either beeming with pride to reclaim the 49ers as their own or with apathy and a thumbed-nose saying SAYONARA.

Stay tuned!

[hummmababy23]

How can anyone be happy about the 49ers move out of San Francisco?! If they move I will never watch the NFL ever again. Let's be honest a new stadium is not the solution to the 49ers problems. The tax payers US IN SAN FRANCISCO okayed this stadium almost 10 years ago. Dr Kavorkian I mean York intentionally didn't move on this because he is a greedy and self interested man. The Niners are as important to the city as Fishermans Wharf or the TransAmerica pyramid. If we lose them we lose them every San Franciscan regardless of if they like football will be a little different. I hope the Mayor kicks the York's butt on this. 49ers will beat the Lions 24 - 21.

[BY97]

Santa Clara is right down the highway from SF, and it's a better location.

If you really want to know why a lot of people like this move, read the existing thread. The opinions are pretty well represented there.

[hummmababy23]

I don't want the blimp above the new stadium to show a picture of the beautiful stadium next to an amusement park. It is a joke, an eyesore, and embarrassing. "We're here at Cisco/ebay/apple/Sun/Oracle stadium right next to beautiful Paramount's Great America with a great view of Top Gun the ride." What a pretty location. The reason At&T has been so successful has been its location/view. The Niners would only get worse if they move away from the city.

[Teke]

You guys sure don't know much about business. The fact that York has gone public with his move from SF proves that he is no longer trying to please anyone who is affiliated with SF. That means he doesn't care about the city of SF. He's not planning on coming back.

[Dynastic]

How can anyone be happy about the 49ers move out of San Francisco?! If they move I will never watch the NFL ever again. Let's be honest a new stadium is not the solution to the 49ers problems. The tax payers US IN SAN FRANCISCO okayed this stadium almost 10 years ago. Dr Kavorkian I mean York intentionally didn't move on this because he is a greedy and self interested man. The Niners are as important to the city as Fishermans Wharf or the TransAmerica pyramid. If we lose them we lose them every San Franciscan regardless of if they like football will be a little different. I hope the Mayor kicks the York's butt on this. 49ers will beat the Lions 24 - 21.

San Francisco's whacked out politics have been giving the 49ers hell on this stadium issue for the last 10 years, and now they want to cry when it all disappears?

Too funny.

Props to York and the city of Santa Clara for sticking it to these nutcases.

[DraconisRex]

How can anyone be happy about the 49ers move out of San Francisco?! If they move I will never watch the NFL ever again. Let's be honest a new stadium is not the solution to the 49ers problems. The tax payers US IN SAN FRANCISCO okayed this stadium almost 10 years ago. Dr Kavorkian I mean York intentionally didn't move on this because he is a greedy and self interested man. The Niners are as important to the city as Fishermans Wharf or the TransAmerica pyramid. If we lose them we lose them every San Franciscan regardless of if they like football will be a little different. I hope the Mayor kicks the York's butt on this. 49ers will beat the Lions 24 - 21.

Stupid vanity whining thread.

[DraconisRex]

You guys sure don't know much about business. The fact that York has gone public with his move from SF proves that he is no longer trying to please anyone who is affiliated with SF. That means he doesn't care about the city of SF. He's not planning on coming back.


Owners have played the "moving" card for decades to get concessions. And I'm not even talking the obvious examples in sports, but all kinds of broad-based businesses - health care, manufacturing, etc. Perhaps you should reconsider your "You guys sure don't know much about business" postion.

[Dynastic]

Owners have played the "moving" card for decades to get concessions. And I'm not even talking the obvious examples in sports, but all kinds of broad-based businesses - health care, manufacturing, etc. Perhaps you should reconsider your "You guys sure don't know much about business" postion.
Exactly.

Going public with something is the ultimate way to apply pressure to the government.

Just because you take a few business courses doesn't mean you're fit to run your business.

Santa Clara probably is the real deal, but the fact York went public would indicate he COULD be using Santa Clara as leverage, even more so if he had kept it private.

[kavaholic]

Newsome is pissed because he wanted the stadium in SF so San Francisco will be able to bid for the 2016 Olympics. The only way he can get back at York for taking the team out of SF is fighting to take away the name, "San Francisco 49ers."
"We got a team that's got a lease through next year. They seem to suggest that they can stay in San Francisco as long as they want and they can take the name and they can leave our city. We're looking through the lease. They have obligations."


I know Dr.York will not bow down to Newsome's demands. If he has to change the 49ers name to Santa Clara, he'll do it!! Newsome needs to understand that if he doesn't comply...it will be the demise of his polictical career.

[noid49er]

I dont think that they will be able to take the name away from the team. And Newsome is looking for anything he can grab hold of to try to keep the Niners in SF. I did watch the live feed on CBS. I do think that trying to build a new staduim in SF and try to get people in and out during construction would be hell! Its already HELL now!

[Hopper15]

Newsome is pissed because he wanted the stadium in SF so San Francisco will be able to bid for the 2016 Olympics. The only way he can get back at York for taking the team out of SF is fighting to take away the name, "San Francisco 49ers."


I know Dr.York will not bow down to Newsome's demands. If he has to change the 49ers name to Santa Clara, he'll do it!! Newsome needs to understand that if he doesn't comply...it will be the demise of his polictical career.

York better not change the name

[Giedi]

Exactly.

Going public with something is the ultimate way to apply pressure to the government.

Just because you take a few business courses doesn't mean you're fit to run your business.

Santa Clara probably is the real deal, but the fact York went public would indicate he COULD be using Santa Clara as leverage, even more so if he had kept it private.

Personally I think it's WAY to early to present that stick. You wait until you have a solid resistance to your plan before you bring that out. Right now, I don't think there was resistance as much as a lack of attention on the San Francisco side.

All York has doen has been to reveal his hand. I think it's a stupid move to do so when you need that later on to get more financial concessions.

Giedi

[Giedi]

I dont think that they will be able to take the name away from the team. And Newsome is looking for anything he can grab hold of to try to keep the Niners in SF. I did watch the live feed on CBS. I do think that trying to build a new staduim in SF and try to get people in and out during construction would be hell! Its already HELL now!

It's my hope that somehow the Hunters Point area can be re-considered.

Aside from the toxic cleanups - mainly located in the surrounding waters - it would be an excellent location and not prevent the tailgating going on since it's adjacent to Candlestick.

Giedi

[krueger70]

I don't want the blimp above the new stadium to show a picture of the beautiful stadium next to an amusement park. It is a joke, an eyesore, and embarrassing. "We're here at Cisco/ebay/apple/Sun/Oracle stadium right next to beautiful Paramount's Great America with a great view of Top Gun the ride." What a pretty location. The reason At&T has been so successful has been its location/view. The Niners would only get worse if they move away from the city.The Giants must be kicking themselves for not choosing beautiful Santa Clara....you think!

The Giants made it happen, York needs to do the same, the problem is he doesn't know how or is looking for the easy way out!

[Row1Endzone]

Has he ever been to Oakland?


Every game since the return,
but thats the point, Crapstick is worse than Oakland.

[loren]

Santa Clara is right down the highway from SF, and it's a better location.
It's an hour from SF, how can it be a better location? Or do you mean the seating will be betterly located? Right now, Candlestick has one of the best views of the game in the NFL. Why would you want to drive 50 miles, then climb into 4th level deck 100,000 seat stadium for a worse view???? You think prices will cheaper for brand spanking new facility? Maybe in the triple upper upper deck in the endzone, yeah. Or is it just because the parking lot is better? And will it be? The parking spots will still be 10'x8', so the parking spot size won't change. Tell me, why do you care if York posseses better real estate? I have been to stadiums older, old and new. New stadiums are sterile, spacey, impersonal, designed for crowd control, hollow, designed for safety and approved by Homeland Security for multi use in case of disaster. We should renovate Candlestick and make is glorious icon like the one in Rome. We could hire a team of the already here illegals and do it for half the cost, which is about the price of a couple of free agents. We should take advantage of a SF icon. Why would you trade traffic for 3 miles surrounding the game for slightly better traffic in SC just to then drive 50 miles, which will be just as much traffic anyway? Why not just move the team to a deserted island?

[markiemarko]

It's an hour from SF, how can it be a better location? Or do you mean the seating will be betterly located? Right now, Candlestick has one of the best views of the game in the NFL. Why would you want to drive 50 miles, then climb into 4th level deck 100,000 seat stadium for a worse view???? You think prices will cheaper for brand spanking new facility? Maybe in the triple upper upper deck in the endzone, yeah. Or is it just because the parking lot is better? And will it be? The parking spots will still be 10'x8', so the parking spot size won't change. Tell me, why do you care if York posseses better real estate? I have been to stadiums older, old and new. New stadiums are sterile, spacey, impersonal, designed for crowd control, hollow, designed for safety and approved by Homeland Security for multi use in case of disaster. We should renovate Candlestick and make is glorious icon like the one in Rome. We could hire a team of the already here illegals and do it for half the cost, which is about the price of a couple of free agents. We should take advantage of a SF icon. Why would you trade traffic for 3 miles surrounding the game for slightly better traffic in SC just to then drive 50 miles, which will be just as much traffic anyway? Why not just move the team to a deserted island?

:ohmy:
I posted this in another thread, and I have experienced the gridlock of driving into the city after the game...

http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showpost.php?p=309308&postcount=51

[916niner]

i lov ethe diea that we would get a new stadium and such, i want to make sure i got out there before they leave the current one. But i dont like the idea of leaving SF. i know other teams dont have their staidums in their cities, but thats what makes us so special. is there some way we can expand and uild a new stadium next to the old one and play in the old one untill the new on gets built. i want to stay in SF. i cant imagine going away from SF, because once its gone, it will never come back.

PS. driving time and miles, how far is santa clara from SF for anyone who lives there?
It kinda bothers me but not too much. The locationit will be in is far better than anything frisco could offer. They've got a lightrail, amtrack station and several Highway right next to it. The public transportation goes all the way our to Sacramento (Where I live). It will be sad to see them leave frisco but the future will be bright.:sf49:

[9erette]

30 Minute drive and a better place to be:clapping:

i lov ethe diea that we would get a new stadium and such, i want to make sure i got out there before they leave the current one. But i dont like the idea of leaving SF. i know other teams dont have their staidums in their cities, but thats what makes us so special. is there some way we can expand and uild a new stadium next to the old one and play in the old one untill the new on gets built. i want to stay in SF. i cant imagine going away from SF, because once its gone, it will never come back.

PS. driving time and miles, how far is santa clara from SF for anyone who lives there?

[Local49ersFan]

The Giants must be kicking themselves for not choosing beautiful Santa Clara....you think!

The Giants made it happen, York needs to do the same, the problem is he doesn't know how or is looking for the easy way out!

The Giants did try but they failed for a small margin in votes before the current group of owners bought and kept it in SF.

[TopHat]

Maybe the 49ers don't want to stay in SF. Maybe this is their chance to actually take the team to a city where crime isn't the leading choice of entertainment.