Lets get Tamba Hali with #22

[jwjr49er]

What do you all think about getting Tamba Hali, DE from Penn State, with our second first round pick. The guy is a beast who has a non stop motor and he is definetly a Nolan guy!!

[Nikko]

What do you all think about getting Tamba Hali, DE from Penn State, with our second first round pick. The guy is a beast who has a non stop motor and he is definetly a Nolan guy!!

Hali will be available at 35-50.. Would be a horrible pick at #22.

[bigmanonbreen]

I am not that much of a fan of him. He is undersized and plays straight up..that might work in college but it wont cut it in the pros...if we were going to use pick 22 on a DE i would rather have Wimbley from FSU. I am a gators fan and I saw him eat us up.

[statniner]

I recently saw a highlight of Manny Lawson and Bobby Carpenter, or I think that's his name. Both could be great assets to our 22nd.

[livndiea9er]

What do you all think about getting Tamba Hali, DE from Penn State, with our second first round pick. The guy is a beast who has a non stop motor and he is definetly a Nolan guy!!
no way dog, Wimbley or Lawson all the way!

[PsychoZombie]

Chad Greenway or Manny Lawson at #22 to handle OLB duties. Take Chris Gocong with the 3rd pick, that takes care of DE.

This kid is a beast with ALOT of upside, played in a small school so didn't go up against alot of BIG NAME talent but had 23 1/2 sacks his senior season. Not his college career his SENIOR SEASON.

Dominated at the senior bowl so cruising up alot of draft boards because questions answered about matching up against high calibre talent.

[49ersCatch]

We gotta get a linebacker, we have DE's, they aren't great, but we have some.

We gotta pick up an OLB with that spot, or if we get Hawk first, go with a TE in that spot.

[livndiea9er]

Chad Greenway or Manny Lawson at #22 to handle OLB duties. Take Chris Gocong with the 3rd pick, that takes care of DE.

This kid is a beast with ALOT of upside, played in a small school so didn't go up against alot of BIG NAME talent but had 23 1/2 sacks his senior season. Not his college career his SENIOR SEASON.

Dominated at the senior bowl so cruising up alot of draft boards because questions answered about matching up against high calibre talent.
Is he big enough to back up BY or Douglas? Never heard of the dude

[SJ_408_niner]

Im hoping we take either Lawson or Carpenter with the 22nd. But I'd be happy with Wimbley or Sims, as well.:up:

[NortyFiner]

Hali's a 4-3 end. We run a 3-4.

[PsychoZombie]

Is he big enough to back up BY or Douglas? Never heard of the dude

Gocong, Chris DE 6-2 264 Cal Poly

Being tagged as a Dwight Freeney type of DE.

FYI Freeney is 6-1 268.

[Young8Rice80]

i love Tamba from his PSU days, but for us i think Lawson would be the best pick for us at that point

[livndiea9er]

Gocong, Chris DE 6-2 264 Cal Poly

Being tagged as a Dwight Freeney type of DE.

FYI Freeney is 6-1 268.
If he isn't gonna be an OLB he wouldn't work in the 3-4 bro, we need a big run stuffing/ pass rusher to replace BY when he hangs it up.

[PsychoZombie]

If he isn't gonna be an OLB he wouldn't work in the 3-4 bro, we need a big run stuffing/ pass rusher to replace BY when he hangs it up.

Bryant Young is 6-3 291. You think this kid can't pack on 15-20 pounds?

People also said Dwight Freeney couldn't be a great DE but he's proved EVERYONE wrong.

I think Chris Gocong is a GREAT pick up in the 3rd to be Young's eventual replacement.

[livndiea9er]

Bryant Young is 6-3 291. You think this kid can't pack on 15-20 pounds?

People also said Dwight Freeney couldn't be a great DE but he's proved EVERYONE wrong.

I think Chris Gocong is a GREAT pick up in the 3rd to be Young's eventual replacement.
well if your right and we take him, I hope to god he can beef up into the 280's to 290's

[PsychoZombie]

um if we draft Gocong its to play OLB or ILB, Gocong no way fits into a 3-4 DE, he is just too small.

He packs on 16 pounds and he's exactly the same size as M. Douglas and is 1" shorter then BY and 11 pounds lighter. So how is it he doesn't fit when he matches our starting DE's in the 3-4?

[livndiea9er]

He packs on 16 pounds and he's exactly the same size as M. Douglas and is 1" shorter then BY and 11 pounds lighter. So how is it he doesn't fit when he matches our starting DE's in the 3-4?
No way Psycho, Pat Watkins with the 3rd pick!

[PsychoZombie]

No way Psycho, Pat Watkins with the 3rd pick!

Watkins is a safety right?

I'll give you Lott, Sanders, Bailey,and Woodson and without a pass rush their all a joke. Secondary is a luxury once we establish a defensive front that actually scares someone besides a pee-wee football team.

[livndiea9er]

Watkins is a safety right?

I'll give you Lott, Sanders, Bailey,and Woodson and without a pass rush their all a joke. Secondary is a luxury once we establish a defensive front that actually scares someone besides a pee-wee football team.
thats where Wimbley or Lawson comes in Psyc. We have to have a true bad ***** centerfielding FS. WatkinsWatkinsWatkins!

[PsychoZombie]

thats where Wimbley or Lawson comes in Psyc. We have to have a true bad ***** centerfielding FS. WatkinsWatkinsWatkins!

The Defensive front needs more then 1 player, they need a whole new infusion of talent. After Vernon I would like to see the next 3 picks used on DL/LB. With pass rush as the mindset.

Call me crazy but I got really tired of watchin opposing QB's drop back break out an easy chair, sit back, wave to the crowds in the stands wait for a receiver to tire out their defensive coverage runnning up and down the field then throw the ball.

[livndiea9er]

The Defensive front needs more then 1 player, they need a whole new infusion of talent. After Vernon I would like to see the next 3 picks used on DL/LB. With pass rush as the mindset.

Call me crazy but I got really tired of watchin opposing QB's drop back break out an easy chair, sit back, wave to the crowds in the stands wait for a receiver to tire out their defensive coverage runnning up and down the field then throw the ball.
"easy chair" thats funny bro. Your probably right about taking two pass rushers after V. Davis, but a nice covering FS would be great to team up with Parrish.

[PsychoZombie]

"easy chair" thats funny bro. Your probably right about taking two pass rushers after V. Davis, but a nice covering FS would be great to team up with Parrish.


Oh don't get me wrong the team definately needs DB/S help in a couple areas but without a pass rush they won't make the defense any better. We need to address defensive QB pressure first then the secondary.

I look at it like a house, the DL is the foundation of the house, the LB are the walls, and the DB/S are the roof. With out a strong foundation (DL) and sturdy walls (LB) then the roof (DB/S) is going to come crashing down.

[livndiea9er]

Oh don't get me wrong the team definately needs DB/S help in a couple areas but without a pass rush they won't make the defense any better. We need to address defensive QB pressure first then the secondary.

I look at it like a house, the DL is the foundation of the house, the LB are the walls, and the DB/S are the roof. With out a strong foundation (DL) and sturdy walls (LB) then the roof (DB/S) is going to come crashing down.
Yeah, you know what, BY, Stubby, Doleman, and Barker did make Hanks look pretty freakin good, even T-Mac. I got ya Psycho man.

[PsychoZombie]

Of course I may be just hoping for another Isaac Sopoaga pick by myself. I preached about this guy and called him as our 4th rnd pick in 2004 and am still patting myself on the back for that one. :clapping:

[livndiea9er]

Of course I may be just hoping for another Isaac Sopoaga pick by myself. I preached about this guy and called him as our 4th rnd pick in 2004 and am still patting myself on the back for that one. :clapping:
just curious, why do like Greenway over Lawson?

[PsychoZombie]

Yeah, you know what, BY, Stubby, Doleman, and Barker did make Hanks look pretty freakin good, even T-Mac. I got ya Psycho man.

Exactly, in fact as recent as Ahmed Plummer is a prime example. When we had a pass rush and a decent front 4 in the 4-3 he was more then decent. He was being spoken of as an OUTSTANDING CB throughout the NFL but then our pass rush dried up and the next thing we know he's in the doghouse and eventually cut.

I just want VD, then defensive pass rush this year then secondary/wide receiver studs next year.

[PsychoZombie]

just curious, why do like Greenway over Lawson?

One word INSTINCT. Also he played as a LB in college wheras Lawson was a DE. Less coaching.

Lawson has great athleticism don't get me wrong he makes up for his mistakes with his speed and ability but Greenway on the other hand has the same abilities but doesn't have to make up for his mistakes, he SMELLS out the ball like a bloodhound.

[khanusma]

What do you all think about getting Tamba Hali, DE from Penn State, with our second first round pick. The guy is a beast who has a non stop motor and he is definetly a Nolan guy!!


I think its a great idea. This guy plays HARD and will succeed in the NFL any position he is asked to play (within reason of course)!

:flex:

[SBbound49ers]

many reasons:

1. Douglas isn't 280 anymore and that weight was his weight years ago when he came into the nfl. teams don't check players heights and weights every year so nfl.com is up-to-date. this means Douglas is alot heavier.

2. Gocong is a 1-gap player, not a 2-gap player in the nfl so he doesn't fit our defense at all.

3. making a player gain weight for a scheme would eliminate why Gocong is effective.

4. players dont just gain weight over-night, if we were planning on making him gain weight as easily as you think it is then why wouldn't we keep Carter and just make him gain some weight to play DE.

5. Gocong is a 3-4 LB or 4-3 DE, but no way will he ever be a 3-4 DE.

Knobs covered it pretty well but also just cause you weigh a certain amount doesnt mean you can play in a certain scheme. Hali isnt a 2 gapper, hes a one gapper. D-lineman in a 34 need to chew up blockers, their top priority isnt pass rush, thats for the LBs.

[PsychoZombie]

many reasons:

1. Douglas isn't 280 anymore and that weight was his weight years ago when he came into the nfl. teams don't check players heights and weights every year so nfl.com is up-to-date. this means Douglas is alot heavier.

2. Gocong is a 1-gap player, not a 2-gap player in the nfl so he doesn't fit our defense at all.

3. making a player gain weight for a scheme would eliminate why Gocong is effective.

4. players dont just gain weight over-night, if we were planning on making him gain weight as easily as you think it is then why wouldn't we keep Carter and just make him gain some weight to play DE.

5. Gocong is a 3-4 LB or 4-3 DE, but no way will he ever be a 3-4 DE.

Actually his weight is FROM NFL.com

15-20 pounds can be packed on in less then 90 days, in a healthy manner. We're not talking 50-100 pounds here. So we're talking BEFORE preseason he'd already be bulked up and gone through training camp at the heavier weight.

Also 15-20 pounds isn't going to slow that guy down that much.

I like the guy and think that with the proper coaching and the added little bulk he could be a stud, especially when he would match our current DE's in the 3-4 in size and bulk but better speed and desire.

[PsychoZombie]

Knobs covered it pretty well but also just cause you weigh a certain amount doesnt mean you can play in a certain scheme. Hali isnt a 2 gapper, hes a one gapper. D-lineman in a 34 need to chew up blockers, their top priority isnt pass rush, thats for the LBs.

The avg. for DE in the NFL with teams running the 3-4 is 6-3 290. There's a couple 6-6 300+ DE in there that bring the avg. up but ther's more 2 gap DE in the 6-2 - 6-4 280-290 range then the bigger 2 gap DE's.

[PsychoZombie]

read the post above yours and you see why this doesn't work. the closest thing to a 3-4 DE is a 4-3 DT. Hali played 4-3 DT in college and didn't play it well enough so he was moved to DE. another thing to note is as SB noted above that Hali is a 1-gap player not a 2-gap player needed in a 3-4 DE. not to mention addind weight doesn't change the way a player plays or his technique.

Hali is and always will be a 4-3 DE.


Whoooooooooooooahhhhhhhhhhhh.......:rolleyes2:

I'm not even talkin about Hali, myself and livendie9er were discussing Chris Gocong out of Cal Poly.....:boxing:

[SBbound49ers]

Whoooooooooooooahhhhhhhhhhhh.......:rolleyes2:

I'm not even talkin about Hali, myself and livendie9er were discussing Chris Gocong out of Cal Poly.....:boxing:

Gocong worries me, he didnt play anyone. Even though the same can be said about DeMarcus Ware granted Ware had a lot more potential.

[PsychoZombie]

Also after looking at the starting DE for the teams running the 3-4 they usually have one that is huge in the 6-4/6-6 300+ range to chew up blockers and a 6-2/6-3 280-290 range opposite to be the pass rush/speedier DE. IMO he would be an upgrade over Douglas and then we look for a huge DE opposite next year or FA.

[SBbound49ers]

The avg. for DE in the NFL with teams running the 3-4 is 6-3 290. There's a couple 6-6 300+ DE in there that bring the avg. up but ther's more 2 gap DE in the 6-2 - 6-4 280-290 range then the bigger 2 gap DE's.

And if thats true then you just supported my point. It doesnt matter what you weigh, its how you play. Douglas is 280 and is a 2 gapper but Mario Williams in almost 300 lbs and some dont think he can be a 2 gap player.

[PsychoZombie]

Gocong worries me, he didnt play anyone. Even though the same can be said about DeMarcus Ware granted Ware had a lot more potential.

Yes and alot of NFL coaches/scouts agreed with you until the Senior Bowl and since has gone up a few draft boards.

I think a 3rd rounder isn't taking much of a chance especially with the history of the Niners and their 3rd round choices the past few seasons, not counting last years that looks like it may have been one hell of a 3rd round.

Jeff Ulbrich/Kevan Barlow in the third since 2000 have been the only players to contribute on this team and the others are cut or bench warmers, I think he's a great pick in the 3rd IMO.

[PsychoZombie]

Gocong worries me because with all the hype due to pure number of sacks, he didn't look very good at the combine. he looks very stiff and didnt change direction very well. this leads me to believe he was successful because of lack of competition, not great skill level.

Senior Bowl he rose up draft boards after many coaches/scouts felt the same about lack of competition, and personally I think the combine is overhyped.

It's nice to know your Ferrari can go 200+ MPH but the highest speed limit in the US is 75 MPH.

[PsychoZombie]

good value at OLB....not DE


So realistically it's a win-win situation you draft him and try to coach him into a starting DE and if he doesn't pan out you get a very serviceable OLB that we are in need of. :whistling:

[PsychoZombie]

no if he comes here we coach him to play OLB, if he doesn't work out then he is released because he will never be a 3-4 DE.

Cool I just thought that when ALL the other NFL team head coaches/scouts place DE's of his size (if he added 15-20 pounds) and athleticism in their 3-4 schemes he would be a value pick in the 3rd for this teams 3-4 scheme.

That's what I looked at before I even posted about him, what all the other 3-4 teams started at DE and their attributes and his write ups and measurables matched up almost point for point for the starting smaller DE's on the 3-4 teams. One big guy one small guy. And the fact that he's 16 pounds lighter then one of OUR starting DE's in the 3-4.

Almost across the board in 3-4 teams, he fit the smaller guys like a glove. Just assumed since that's what the other 3-4 teams were starting every Sunday he could pan out also.

I'll admit I'm a numbers person when it comes to some of this stuff, I don't exactly understand why one guy who is 6-2 288 pounds can be a 2-Gap DE in the 3-4 scheme but another guy that's 6-2 288 pounds can only be a 1-Gap DE.

[jamdc9ers]

Hali will be picked no earlier than the second round.

[Nikko]

i wouldn't bank on that, i could easily see Hali going in the first round to KC, or Cinci

Hali will be lucky to get picked by KC or Cinci in the second round.

[76er]

I would take a player like Quince Holman from Northern Illinois over Gacong. He's 6'3", 265 wilth 4.7 speed. He played DT/NT most of his college career but is a natural DE or OLB. I hear a number of 3-4 teams are considering him as a 6/7 rounder according to several draft sites. Plus, he is a monster special teams guy: blocked four kicks last year - including one against Northwestern - a game I was at (originally from Chicago). He's a bigger, stronger, faster version of Gacong.

[76er]

I checked up on Holman - he had 68 tackles, 15 TFL, 13 QB hurries, 5 sacks for Northern Illinois from a DT spot. He also had four blocked kicks last season including 2 against Michigan and another against Northwestern ( a game I was at). He had 7 total blocks in his college career. Coach Joe Novak called him "Mr. Pash Rush."

http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/niu/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/03_2005-FB-Player-Bios.pdf

He could be a real sleeper if we can get him in the 6th or 7th!

[Nikko]

i'm glad your hatred for Hali has continued to the new board but seriously, we both know he is going higher than that. he is the 2nd best 4-3 DE in the draft

He will still go second round and won't touch the first.

[JakePhat]

i think that would be great
espn:worthy: :sflogo:

[JRO49]

Yeah Good idea :D

[dhimiter]

Wow reached way back for this one.