IF Feinstein gets her wish, what should the name be?

[NinerRider]

So if the 49ers aren't allowed to use the city name or the name 49ers, what should we be called?

I can see them not letting us use San Francisco in the name, but I can't see how they can take away 49ers since the gold rush in the 40's wasn't only in SF. Cleveland did keep the name Browns so it has been done before.

Anyway, just for fun, what should the name be?

I say San Jose or California Grizzlies.

[NyNinerFan]

How bout the Santa Clara Santa Clauses. :sf49:

[Pound th' Rock]

The Santa Clara Knights, that way fans could dress up more :hide:

[canadianjedi]

it would change to California 49ers

[sacguy]

since the name "san francisco 49ers " is copt righted .. how bout we call them the san francisco 49ers ....if di fi wins will dallas cowboys be called the irvine cawboys ??? will the jets and giants also have to chsnger names ??? hummmm ???

[o49erfaithful]

it would change to California 49ers

i dunt think so. cuz when u say california ur including oakland:fishing:

[Faraway]

We know San Francisco will not allow anyone to use the city name, so the Niners will probably just name themselves the same name selected for the SF Bay Area. We need to begin searching for an acceptable name for the Bay Area. Once we find that, we can then name the team. Isn't that easy? :yikes:

[fabie]

Markie! Where's our thread on the polls we've created on our team name?

[J77Niner4Life]

Like it's been said before all they have to do is add bay to the existing name taking away implications that the team is in the city of San Francisco.

The Mayor of Santa Clara hinted to this..

"That's the most important thing to me, to make sure the 49ers have an appropriate home in the greater San Francisco Bay Area, so that there will always be a San Francisco 49ers."

They don't own the naming rights of the entire bay. The San Francisco Bay 49ers is a hell of a lot better than changing our team logo and identity. Newsom would be stuck with his 50 year old stadium and swamp land as he should be.

What a ***** to threaten to take away the team's identity and pull out of the olympic bid so he can blame York. Like I said before the city could care less about the team and it's fans, they're just bitter because they couldn't make their scam work. :down:

[FODY]

We know San Francisco will not allow anyone to use the city name, so the Niners will probably just name themselves the same name selected for the SF Bay Area. We need to begin searching for an acceptable name for the Bay Area. Once we find that, we can then name the team. Isn't that easy? :yikes:
Clear as the water in the bay, man... :falldownlaugh:

It's not a foregone conclusion that this thing even passes. DiFi can raise all the ruckus she wants (and she will), but I honestly don't think a majority of the Senate really gives a flying fark. 50 of them represent states where the law wouldn't even apply, since they don't have any major sports teams. The only reason most of them would care is that it would open the door to further legislating the NFL from Capitol Hill.

[jjbankhead]

this is all crap. They wont be able to stop the NFL form using the name SF.

why are the new jersey giants and jets still called NY, and the irving Cowboys called Dallas???

feinstein is full of crap, look at the reality of the situation, the Yorks and The NFL have way too much money,and money in this country equates with political power, for her or the city to put up any kind of fight about the name. All they have to do is argue they are calling themselves "san francisco" after the Bay and not the city and the argument is over. The city of san francisco does not own the title of the San Francisco Bay. That is the name of that body of water east of the city limits.

[J77Niner4Life]

this is all crap. They wont be able to stop the NFL form using the name SF.

why are the new jersey giants and jets still called NY, and the irving Cowboys called Dallas???

feinstein is full of crap, look at the reality of the situation, the Yorks and The NFL have way too much money,and money in this country equates with political power, for her or the city to put up any kind of fight about the name. All they have to do is argue they are calling themselves "san francisco" after the Bay and not the city and the argument is over. The city of san francisco does not own the title of the San Francisco Bay. That is the name of that body of water east of the city limits.

Probably because NY and Dallas weren't dumb enough to pass up on free advertising out of spite. :down:

[jjbankhead]

Probably because NY and Dallas weren't dumb enough to pass up on free advertising out of spite. :down:
think about it though, i lived in monterey for a while and ALL the cities / towns down that way rely on the name Monterey, even Santa cruz to an extent, their excuse would be that they reside on the "Monterey Bay" the niners and SC can use the same argument and there isn't much the city of SF can do about it.

[Tracker]

As previously stated, the surrounding cities are considered and labeled as the “San Francisco Bay Area.” As long as the 49ers are a Bay Area team on the SF side of the Bay they are going to have a hard time convincing an non corrupt judge to side with them on not allowing the 49ers to retain our current name. There will also be appeals if they do block us from using the name and then they will have to explain why they are needlessly spending hundreds of thousands of SF tax player dollars on this idiotic crusade.

Even if it is passed somehow and the 49ers lose the right to keep the SF part of our name in a higher court the national press would be so bad it would be political suicide for those who spearhead the initiative.

Worst case scenario the name is lengthened to San Francisco Bay Area 49ers or changed to the Santa Clara 49ers.

I honestly doubt it will happen though. It is pretty much a "sour grapes" hollow threat by bitter local officials who could really care less about the team and care more about putting an Olympic bullet point in their resume to further their political careers.

Now that is out the window, what is to be gained by messing with a team that is a Northern California iconic institution?

Nada… and politicians never do anything for nothing.

End of story.

[jjbankhead]

This thread should be closed. Can't believe we're discussing this. The 49ers should always be the San Francisco 49ers. No stupid senator is going to take that away from us die hard fans.
i also believe we (the 49ers that is) own the TM on the SF lofo on the helmets and jerseys, they cant take that away from us either!!!

power to the faithful!!:fishing:

[fabie]

Markiemarko and I collaborated on a poll on this one a few months ago....

http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showthread.php?t=7857

[afrorouge]

It's a tempest in a teapot. Santa Clara is so close to the Stick it's stupid. So what if some fans have to drive further to get to the games? A lot of fans live on the penninsula or in the south bay. It's a lot of crap, honestly. If the team changes names, and "SF" retains the rights to 49ers, there likely will never be another team called the 49ers. San Francisco will lose not only the team (which really hardly is located in San Francisco proper anyway), it'll also lose the prestige of having a football team, period. The team might move to Santa Clara, but the name will stay the same and everyone will be perfectly content.

Also, I think Feinstein is way out of line if she thinks this is a good exercise of Congressional authority.

If the name is changed, it will be bought by the highest bidder. The Santa Clara Googles?

[Niner Jan]

As promised, I emailed Senator Feinstein as follows:

Senator Dianne Feinstein:

The topics given in your list are not really appropriate to why I am writing. My topic is the legislation that you are planning to introduce into the U.S. Senate about forbidding sports franchises from using their city designation when they move outside the immediate city limits but within a given radius of the city.

The San Francisco 49ers are planning to move to Santa Clara, which is less than 30 miles down Highway 101. For 10 years now, the City of San Francisco has done nothing to improve the conditions at Candlestick Point where the current team is playing in horrendous situations: boggy playing field, frigid climate, crazy swirling headwinds; prolonged, unmoving traffic, poor road access and surface conditions (not only unpaved but muddy during rainy seasons). Poor infrastructure.

If the 49ers Organization were to build a new stadium on the same ground as the existing stadium, imagine the additional construction noise and detours for the next 6 years for fans making their way to games. Public transportation to the Stick does not exist--except for the buses that wend their way from the City at game time whereas public transportation DOES exist in the Santa Clara area proposed site for the new stadium.

You cannot punish one franchise from retaining its name while other franchises entertain like privileges in other states when they have moved not far away from their origin. The Mayor of San Francisco is acting childish by pouting, shouting, and threatening the 49ers because they wish to relocate nearby WITHIN THE BAY AREA in an area much better suited to the fans and the team, while still retaining their name of San Francisco 49ers.

California politicians--mostly in San Francisco--are acting out of puerile emotions and because they don't want to lose REVENUE--which the City has benefitted from all these years ever since the 49ers moved from Kezar to Candlestick Park in 1971.

Dianne, I am so furious at the thought of your introducing a bill in the U.S. Senate to prohibit ANY franchise from moving out of its city of origin (specifically targeted to the 49ers right now). Doesn't the Senate have more vital issues to solve than this? I can think of at least a DOZEN more important things to work on in Congress than being so petty as to forbid the 49ers from retaining their full (city) name--when they are moving into a San Francisco Bay Area city close enough to still be associated with it. And when there are already 4 NFL teams who have moved and retained their original geographical names.

The only reason is emotional and loss of revenue to San Francisco. Punishing the 49ers is so childish, it is soiling the reputations of those politicians threatening with this revengeful measure. It is more damaging to the politicians than to the 49ers franchise.

If you go ahead with this plan, I will NEVER vote for you again--nor contribute to your campaign nor for any other California politicians who vote for this new bill. Stop being so narrow-minded and prejudiced against our local team. This is nothing to be settled in a FEDERAL unit of government! Local matters should be dealt with in local governing bodies.

Stop being so childish and punitive to the fans of the San Francisco 49ers! Do the MORE URGENT work that the Republicans dropped in the past 8 years! That's where your efforts need to be channeled now.

(My full Name)
Sunnyvale Resident

I will adapt the message a bit and send it to the other California politicians supporting this prohibitive measure.

[J77Niner4Life]

It's a tempest in a teapot. Santa Clara is so close to the Stick it's stupid. So what if some fans have to drive further to get to the games? A lot of fans live on the penninsula or in the south bay. It's a lot of crap, honestly. If the team changes names, and "SF" retains the rights to 49ers, there likely will never be another team called the 49ers. San Francisco will lose not only the team (which really hardly is located in San Francisco proper anyway), it'll also lose the prestige of having a football team, period. The team might move to Santa Clara, but the name will stay the same and everyone will be perfectly content.

Also, I think Feinstein is way out of line if she thinks this is a good exercise of Congressional authority.

If the name is changed, it will be bought by the highest bidder. The Santa Clara Googles?

It bothers me that politicians even put so much effort in something like this when there are so many more important things to worry about. To bring NFL naming rights before congress is just insane. What a waste of breath. :down:

[Pound th' Rock]

Golden State 49ers doesn't sound TOO bad but I'd be pissed cuz they'd have to change the Logo :nonono:

[statniner]

Dianne Feinstein just wants to be on the face of the media, come on, T.O. loves it too. Just go to her office and hurl wet TPs and throw special grade A chicken eggs at her.


No, just kidding. :laugh:

[Captain America]

Santa Clara PunchFeinsteininthefaces

[loren]

I say San Jose or California Grizzlies.
How about the "United States 49ers" or just plain "49ers"

[SFTat4Life]

The San Francisco Bay 49ers

I was thinking this same name last night. I like this one.

[NinerRider]

this is all crap. They wont be able to stop the NFL form using the name SF.

why are the new jersey giants and jets still called NY, and the irving Cowboys called Dallas???

feinstein is full of crap, look at the reality of the situation, the Yorks and The NFL have way too much money,and money in this country equates with political power, for her or the city to put up any kind of fight about the name. All they have to do is argue they are calling themselves "san francisco" after the Bay and not the city and the argument is over. The city of san francisco does not own the title of the San Francisco Bay. That is the name of that body of water east of the city limits.


Isn't that body of water West of the city limits?

[tumbleweed]

Isn't Di Fi the Senator for the State of California not the Senator of San Francisco. She better be careful on her stand on this because the majority of 49er fans do not live in San Francisco.
She should try to take public transportation to the game as I recently did and she would find out what a hassle it is. I'm all for the move and a new stadium.
Great letter Jan. You should turn it into a petition!

[Iamavictory]

I think it ias all moot anyways. !st off, I don't think they would win in court to keep us from being called the SF 49ers and if they do, so freaking what! There is an easy fix to that, just name the team San Francisco bay area 49ers! and that weay we would keep our cherished interlocking SF. By the way, I really don't understand why they say it's interlocking because it looks like they are just on top of each other. So let's not all freak out until it is forced upon us. I do know one thing: I LOVE my 49ers and the day they change the name of the team is the day I quit being a fan. :sf49:

[FODY]

Isn't that body of water West of the city limits?
That would be called the "Pacific Ocean"... :slap:

[yayareafanatic]

If all the politicians try to push this to the couts they'll run into precedent set by our friends down in Southern California.

Has anyone heard of The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim.

Yes, in the year 2012 I hope to be attending games at the brand spanking new stadium in Santa Clara, home of The San Francisco 49ers of Santa Clara.

Basically, voters and tax-payers will see how foolish our current political leaders in San Francisco and Washington are. No city has the intellectual rights to the name of the city.

[gRush]

SC Rush
Frisco Bay Rush
theBay Rush
SFB Rush
the Golden State Rush (GS Rush) ;)

[RedAlert]

I like the name, California 49ers. If they don't stop being idiots in SF real soon, I think York should tell them to just keep the name. Based on how stupid they are acting, I think the fans will understand.

[#11&#85]

i dont even want to think about us changing our name

[MannyLawson_99]

i dunt think so. cuz when u say california ur including oakland:fishing:

And San Diego.... I mentioned this in another thread. I dont think the Chargers or Raiders would allow us to be called California when they are also part of the state.

[Tracker]

As promised, I emailed Senator Feinstein as follows:



I will adapt the message a bit and send it to the other California politicians supporting this prohibitive measure.

Nice Jan! :clapping:

Well done. If I were still Northern California resident I would be all over this as well.

[MannyLawson_99]

SC Rush
Frisco Bay Rush
theBay Rush
SFB Rush
the Golden State Rush (GS Rush) ;)

I like Gold Rush as our name but it couldnt replace 49ers. Not sure which first name I like best though...

Golden State Gold Rush (A bit of a tongue twister???)

or could it be

Golden State Gold Rushers (is gold rushers even a name, wouldnt they be 49ers???)

If we did have to change our name I would like a logo like this... I have a blanket hanging on my wall with this guy on it:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/keepsakes56_1907_66597998&imgrefurl=http://www.keepsakes-etc.com/nwf-349.html&h=221&w=178&sz=21&hl=en&start=8&tbnid=D8oI2TpX6zvVXM:&tbnh=107&tbnw=86&prev=/images%3Fq%3D49er%2Bblanket%2Bthrow%26svnum%3D10%2 6hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN

[Nevyn]

Like it's been said before all they have to do is add bay to the existing name taking away implications that the team is in the city of San Francisco.

The Mayor of Santa Clara hinted to this..

"That's the most important thing to me, to make sure the 49ers have an appropriate home in the greater San Francisco Bay Area, so that there will always be a San Francisco 49ers."

They don't own the naming rights of the entire bay. The San Francisco Bay 49ers is a hell of a lot better than changing our team logo and identity. Newsom would be stuck with his 50 year old stadium and swamp land as he should be.

What a ***** to threaten to take away the team's identity and pull out of the olympic bid so he can blame York. Like I said before the city could care less about the team and it's fans, they're just bitter because they couldn't make their scam work. :down:

Maybe Santa Clara will change its name to San Francisko and we can screw the city over.

[RedAlert]

And San Diego.... I mentioned this in another thread. I dont think the Chargers or Raiders would allow us to be called California when they are also part of the state.

Who cares! The Raiders and Chargers, 3 SBs. The Niners, 5, The state is ours!!!!!

[gRush]

And San Diego.... I mentioned this in another thread. I dont think the Chargers or Raiders would allow us to be called California when they are also part of the state.

I also heard that the San Diego Charger might be known as the National City Chargers or Rancho Bernardo Chargers or Chula Vista Chargers lol...which right now, shouldn't they technically be the Mission Chargers, being where their stadium is?

Many teams are not technically in CITY LIMITS of their named team...and others are in the STATE.

So I think all is well..and there should be no concerns about changing the Niners name. Also, im not from the Bay Area..but where was Kezcar Stadium located, officially what city?

[I RULE you!]

we should name ourselves the....Baytown Badgers! http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/caer/ce/eek/critter/mammal/images/badger.jpg

[FODY]

Also, im not from the Bay Area..but where was Kezcar Stadium located, officially what city?
Kezar is darn near smack dab in the middle of San Francisco, right in the shadow of Golden Gate Park.

[krueger70]

Santa Clara may only be 30 miles away, but it's a completely different city and is in the complete south end of the Bay Area..therefore should have different name. This is not like Dallas where Irving is 10 minutes away, and is located in the center of the metroplex between Dallas and Forth Worth. The Jets and Giants are across the river from NY!

Should the Raiders have used "San Francisco" since they are only 10 miles away? No...they are in Oakland. The A's have it right if they move "The Silicon Valley Athletics of Fremont"

How about - Santa Clara Invaders of Great America?

Like Cleveland, the city of San Francisco should be able to keep the rights to the name!

[FODY]

K, so if they force the team to change the name, then why should York even bother keeping the team in the area? DiFi gets her way, then we could very likely see a new Los Angeles football team.

[djdino]

Hmmmm....how about Santa Clara 2049ers? :D

[Roaring Back]

Santa Clara Sabercats

[AZTEC]

I've posted this elsewhere.....but maybe some of our LEGAL EAGLE fans would agree with my logic??!!

For those of you worried about who owns the naming rights....well....


Last time I checked:

ARIZONA ICE TEA----is not made in Arizona

HAWAIIAN CHIPs are not produced in Hawaii

COLUMBIA clothing and attire are not made there either

A New York Steak doesn't come from Times Square....

and per my favorite reference from the ADAMS family-----GIRL SCOUT cookies are not made by real Girl Scouts!!!

The 49ers are a marketed product and form of entertainment and have the legal licenses/ copyrights to retain their identity via their working corporation history and league & labor agreements and financial banking history.

I'm not a lawyer.....but it seems like history favors the 49ers.

It would be so short-sited to attempt to take away the opportunity of the word "San Francisco" being broadcasted internationally for hours of live and taped television. This would only hurt the tourism industry for the Bay Area as a whole and not hit the pocket books of the Yorks----since they'd be catering to full capacity venues anyways not only for Football but as well as Concerts and other potential activities at the new Santa Clara site.

[Roaring Back]

Santa Clara may only be 30 miles away, but it's a completely different city and is in the complete south end of the Bay Area..therefore should have different name. This is not like Dallas where Irving is 10 minutes away, and is located in the center of the metroplex between Dallas and Forth Worth. The Jets and Giants are across the river from NY!

Should the Raiders have used "San Francisco" since they are only 10 miles away? No...they are in Oakland. The A's have it right if they move "The Silicon Valley Athletics of Fremont"

How about - Santa Clara Invaders of Great America?

Like Cleveland, the city of San Francisco should be able to keep the rights to the name!

What's good for Charlie Krueger should be good enough for **** York!

[Roaring Back]

I've posted this elsewhere.....but maybe some of our LEGAL EAGLE fans would agree with my logic??!!

For those of you worried about who owns the naming rights....well....


Last time I checked:

ARIZONA ICE TEA----is not made in Arizona

HAWAIIAN CHIPs are not produced in Hawaii

COLUMBIA clothing and attire are not made there either

A New York Steak doesn't come from Times Square....

and per my favorite reference from the ADAMS family-----GIRL SCOUT cookies are not made by real Girl Scouts!!!

The 49ers are a marketed product and form of entertainment and have the legal licenses/ copyrights to retain their identity via their working corporation history and league & labor agreements and financial banking history.

I'm not a lawyer.....but it seems like history favors the 49ers.

It would be so short-sited to attempt to take away the opportunity of the word "San Francisco" being broadcasted internationally for hours of live and taped television. This would only hurt the tourism industry for the Bay Area as a whole and not hit the pocket books of the Yorks----since they'd be catering to full capacity venues anyways not only for Football but as well as Concerts and other potential activities at the new Santa Clara site.

But a lot of us don't want to go to Santa Clara. If the San Francisco 49ers move to the suburbs, they may as well go to LA. At least LA's a major US city.

[krueger70]

What's good for Charlie Krueger should be good enough for **** York!Now your talking, both stand up guys who by god get things done!

[catch22]

I am sooooooooooooo happy to see our politicians have so much free time to worry about making a opionion on our San Francisco 49ers. I dont understand how these politicians get away with wating our money and time on meaningless tasks such as what the 49ers should be called and what they cant be called. These politicians need to start doing their real jobs and let the private industry handle itself. What a waste... so stupid:chicken: :chicken:

[krueger70]

I've posted this elsewhere.....but maybe some of our LEGAL EAGLE fans would agree with my logic??!!

For those of you worried about who owns the naming rights....well....


Last time I checked:

ARIZONA ICE TEA----is not made in Arizona

HAWAIIAN CHIPs are not produced in Hawaii

COLUMBIA clothing and attire are not made there either

A New York Steak doesn't come from Times Square....

and per my favorite reference from the ADAMS family-----GIRL SCOUT cookies are not made by real Girl Scouts!!!

The 49ers are a marketed product and form of entertainment and have the legal licenses/ copyrights to retain their identity via their working corporation history and league & labor agreements and financial banking history.

I'm not a lawyer.....but it seems like history favors the 49ers.

It would be so short-sited to attempt to take away the opportunity of the word "San Francisco" being broadcasted internationally for hours of live and taped television. This would only hurt the tourism industry for the Bay Area as a whole and not hit the pocket books of the Yorks----since they'd be catering to full capacity venues anyways not only for Football but as well as Concerts and other potential activities at the new Santa Clara site.A move is a move, and if York wants to move the franchise, well this is the chance he must take! Santa Clara is not San Francisco people...not even close!! When people choose to follow their team on the road and the opportunity to visit one of the greatest cities in the world (San Francisco) comes up, it's a no brainer! Santa Clara???

[krueger70]

So if the 49ers aren't allowed to use the city name or the name 49ers, what should we be called?

I can see them not letting us use San Francisco in the name, but I can't see how they can take away 49ers since the gold rush in the 40's wasn't only in SF. Cleveland did keep the name Browns so it has been done before.

Anyway, just for fun, what should the name be?

I say San Jose or California Grizzlies.Can't go with California Grizzlies, a high school in San Ramon grabbed that name up several years ago.

[FODY]

When people choose to follow their team on the road and the opportunity to visit one of the greatest cities in the world (San Francisco) comes up, it's a no brainer! Santa Clara???
Good! Less visiting fans in the stadium = bigger home field advantage! And those that would still make the trip likely wouldn't mind driving the extra 30 miles to visit the City anyway. Plus, the lodging in Santa Clara is cheaper than SF as well, and closer to the stadium site, which is only 5 miles from the airport.

[krueger70]

Good! Less visiting fans in the stadium = bigger home field advantage! And those that would still make the trip likely wouldn't mind driving the extra 30 miles to visit the City anyway. Plus, the lodging in Santa Clara is cheaper than SF as well, and closer to the stadium site, which is only 5 miles from the airport.Can't have much fun in the city with a 30 mile drive in front of you, plus what they can get in Santa Clara is pretty much what you can get all through Mid-America! Cheap rates at a Marriott Courtyard and all the casual dining opportunities for miles....

[NinerRider]

I also heard that the San Diego Charger might be known as the National City Chargers or Rancho Bernardo Chargers or Chula Vista Chargers lol...which right now, shouldn't they technically be the Mission Chargers, being where their stadium is?

Many teams are not technically in CITY LIMITS of their named team...and others are in the STATE.

So I think all is well..and there should be no concerns about changing the Niners name. Also, im not from the Bay Area..but where was Kezcar Stadium located, officially what city?


They should cross the border and be the Tijuana Chargers. Or maybe the Baja California Chargers.

[NinerRider]

Can't go with California Grizzlies, a high school in San Ramon grabbed that name up several years ago.


Yeah, I know, I live in San Ramon right now. Live right across the street from the Dougherty Valley High School which opens up next year. I think they're going to have turf.

[goofy9er]

Santa Clara may only be 30 miles away, but it's a completely different city and is in the complete south end of the Bay Area..therefore should have different name. This is not like Dallas where Irving is 10 minutes away, and is located in the center of the metroplex between Dallas and Forth Worth. The Jets and Giants are across the river from NY!

Should the Raiders have used "San Francisco" since they are only 10 miles away? No...they are in Oakland. The A's have it right if they move "The Silicon Valley Athletics of Fremont"

How about - Santa Clara Invaders of Great America?

Like Cleveland, the city of San Francisco should be able to keep the rights to the name!



The only reason the browns had to change their name was because they were moving out of state. At one point they were talking about building a stadium in Sandusky, OH. Which is an hour away from cleveland, if that would have went through they would have kept the name.

[Giedi]

As much as I am an advocate of the team staying right where they are at, I'm pretty sure it will be very difficult and unprofitable for San Francisco to dictate what the team will be called. But I don't think it will come to that. I think if York and the San Francisco Political folks are serious, genuine, and truly want the BEST stadium location and the BEST stadium built, I think the 49ers will be in San Francisco.

Giedi

[TheWiz]

There is absolutely no way in the history of the legal profession in this country that the courts could ever strip us of our teams name.

First of all, the multiplicity of the names for some teams alone are too numerous to ever claim copyright over such an item. Should Arizona be allowed to sue MLB's St. Louis? Can the Rams sue dozens of high schools across the country? How about Giants or the Eagles? There is enough of a history in the league that no judge would ever uphold the belief that 49ers is distinct only to one city. We could move to south carolina and still keep the name if we so choose. I can't imagine, with the popularity the case would reserve, that any judge could claim a teams nickname is geographically bound.

The case is whether the title of San Francisco could be stripped of our usage. That case still holds no water. San Francisco cannot claim that the entire region around it cannot use its name. Teams across all sports are easily allowed to associate themselves with cities they are not technically a part of. Yet the 49ers have more of a claim than many of those teams. Any legal battle would resort to a discussion over whether a city is allowed to deny usage of its name. In this case there would be a case of over 55 years of the 49ers being in and associate with san francisco. In this instance such a judge would be forced to rule that the name itself has its own standing independant of the location of the stadium. Not to mention the jealous grounds any such law was passed under.

[Roaring Back]

Yeah, I know, I live in San Ramon right now. Live right across the street from the Dougherty Valley High School which opens up next year. I think they're going to have turf.

Seriously?? Cal Hi is getting renamed?

[Roaring Back]

As much as I am an advocate of the team staying right where they are at, I'm pretty sure it will be very difficult and unprofitable for San Francisco to dictate what the team will be called. But I don't think it will come to that. I think if York and the San Francisco Political folks are serious, genuine, and truly want the BEST stadium location and the BEST stadium built, I think the 49ers will be in San Francisco.

Giedi

Agreed. The fact that they're still talking strongly suggests it. I know people from the south bay are excited, but don't count your chickens yet, this is the third time the city/county of Santa Clara has been down this road. The first two times were with the Giants and A's.

[Local49ersFan]

Didn't she say York could his team the Santa Clara Chips? You have to remember she was the Mayor of SF while Eddie took over the 49ers. to a lot of people, including some of the players, this current administration of the 49ers, from owners to coaches have no connection to the 49ers that won the 5 SBs.

[sublime]

Santa Clara PunchFeinsteininthefaces

:falldownlaugh:

I'd rep you if I could but I'm all out for 24 hrs....

[DantheSportsman]

The Senator Feinstein StoleOurName

That way we can keep the SF logo the same as well.

[vdavis85]

this is gay... first of all lets just add on to the stadium and still call them sf... second if all if we do move(which i will cry if we do even if it is only to santa clara) i cant see our team being called anything else but the SAN FRANCISCO 49ers!! THE NAME HAS TO BE THE SAME.... **** that ****** Feinstien if she chnages the name:angry:

[IowaNinersFan]

we should name ourselves the....Baytown Badgers! http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/caer/ce/eek/critter/mammal/images/badger.jpg
Most Californians probably didn't even know what a Badger looks like or if it even exists before seeing that picture. :nana:

[IowaNinersFan]

There is absolutely no way in the history of the legal profession in this country that the courts could ever strip us of our teams name.

First of all, the multiplicity of the names for some teams alone are too numerous to ever claim copyright over such an item. Should Arizona be allowed to sue MLB's St. Louis? Can the Rams sue dozens of high schools across the country? How about Giants or the Eagles? There is enough of a history in the league that no judge would ever uphold the belief that 49ers is distinct only to one city. We could move to south carolina and still keep the name if we so choose. I can't imagine, with the popularity the case would reserve, that any judge could claim a teams nickname is geographically bound.

The case is whether the title of San Francisco could be stripped of our usage. That case still holds no water. San Francisco cannot claim that the entire region around it cannot use its name. Teams across all sports are easily allowed to associate themselves with cities they are not technically a part of. Yet the 49ers have more of a claim than many of those teams. Any legal battle would resort to a discussion over whether a city is allowed to deny usage of its name. In this case there would be a case of over 55 years of the 49ers being in and associate with san francisco. In this instance such a judge would be forced to rule that the name itself has its own standing independant of the location of the stadium. Not to mention the jealous grounds any such law was passed under.
Look at the Lakers. How many lakes are in LA?

[sacguy]

san francisco 49er name is copy righted ------case closed ....the yorks own the name not the city of san francisco ....

[Tenacity]

New York jets are in New Jersy.. SF will always be niners and wherever they go they should be SF:trophy:

[BY97]

And San Diego.... I mentioned this in another thread. I dont think the Chargers or Raiders would allow us to be called California when they are also part of the state.
The "California Angels" did it for years. And the Dodgers, Padres, A's and Giants didn't seem to mind.

[afrorouge]

The legal issue is trademark, not copyright, and the organization owns the trademark rights to San Francisco 49ers:

Not sure if this link will work but worth a shot:

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=3hu1dn.2.3

When the Browns moved (to become the Ravens, for the little ones), they agreed to assign their trademark rights to the organization that took their place. San Francisco can't stop the team from using its trademark. I don't know for sure whether Congress could step in to strip a trademark owner of its rights, but I imagine that it could. There's a lot of precedent to support the notion that trademarks aren't property, and federal trademark rights are a bit like drivers licenses: more a priviledge than a right.

On an unrelated note, I suggest people be very, very careful about posting threats against elected officials or their families. There's nothing anonymous about message boards that the secret service can't crack, and I believe it's a federal offense to even threaten such things.

[Giedi]

Didn't she say York could his team the Santa Clara Chips? You have to remember she was the Mayor of SF while Eddie took over the 49ers. to a lot of people, including some of the players, this current administration of the 49ers, from owners to coaches have no connection to the 49ers that won the 5 SBs.

I don't think its a question of connections. It's a politcial question. As Wiz said in this thread or another thread, the political figure that loses the 49ers will have a bunch of angry 49er fans clammoring for his/her head. It will most likely result in a failed re-election bid on the part of that political figure. For the 49ers, all they want is a new stadium, one which can generate some local revenue that the NFL can't touch.

All in all, this discussion has to revolve around the needs and wants of the various parties. I'm hopefull that the SF Politico's can come to some sort of understanding and persuade York, because I have absolutely NO confidence in York comming up with a brilliant mixed use develpment idea -- I don't think the guy can think out of the box, the way the rest of the other NFL Ownerships can.

Giedi

[defoord]

I think York should threaten to move the team to San Antonio:cowboy1: ...then watch all the politicians come running back to him.

[Kezar Niner]

I was thinking the Santa Clara Mandingo Warriors...

Or the SC Soccer Moms...

[Scipio]

Most Californians probably didn't even know what a Badger looks like or if it even exists before seeing that picture. :nana:

:falldownlaugh: So true...

[niners25]

California Suck it Feinsteins??

[Kezar Niner]

Most Californians probably didn't even know what a Badger looks like or if it even exists before seeing that picture. :nana:


Badgers! We don't need no stinkin badgerssss!

[deadreckoning21]

if worse comes to worse i cant see the name changing to anything but "San Fransisco Bay 49ers" no matter how close to the edge santa clara is, its still bay area.




but if not maybe even the South Fransisco 49ers would work, at least we could keep the SF :falldownlaugh:

[matineematt]

Check out supportourniners.com. The team has a list of principles regarding a South Bay stadium. One of them is that the team name would remain the San Francisco 49ers.

[NinerRider]

if worse comes to worse i cant see the name changing to anything but "San Fransisco Bay 49ers" no matter how close to the edge santa clara is, its still bay area.




but if not maybe even the South Fransisco 49ers would work, at least we could keep the SF :falldownlaugh:

Or maybe we can just go with the San Jose 49ers... :highfive:

[westcoast_blazer]

what about Los Cuarentia Nueves De San Francisco!!!

press 1 for english

LMAO!!!!!!!!!

[Fricker 4]

Actually last time i checked, Dallas' new stadium is not goin to be in Irving. I believe it is going to be in Arlington across from where the Rangers Play. This is alot furter from Dallas. But they are going to keep the name. I honestly think this is just a huge over reaction by the board. Much like when some one gets cut or wants to be traded and 10 threads come out saying we should get that guy. I say dont worry we will stay the same.

[pepe]

Or maybe we can just go with the San Jose 49ers... :highfive:

Maybe even the East San Jose 49ers, right?

[Maverick]

No more San Francisco 49ers... :(

Can't believe it

[syxxpac623]

San Francisco Bay Area 49ers

[Local49ersFan]

I remember she said 'San Jose Chips' herself. :(

[Niner Jan]

Santa Clara is a different town from San Jose. Maybe outsider fans (who don't know the area) think that San Jose is the town we are talking about. It is not. The town is Santa Clara. And the name of the franchise will remain the same: The San Francisco 49ers.

Maybe the Stadium will carry the name of the town that will own it: Santa Clara. ??? But the name of the team, like the name of the Sports Facility
in Santa Clara, will NOT change.

AMEN...:angel: :angel: :angel: Can we sing the Halleluiah Chorus now?

[Optimus Prime]

San Francisco Bay Area 49ers

Setting us up for disaster. San Francisco Gay Area 49ers it what we would known as forever. Not that there is anything wrong with that.:tomato: