We shouldnt have drafted V. Davis??

[low_N_breezy]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9413105
Better to wait on drafting tight ends?


By Craig Ellenport
NFL.com



Check out the top 10 players from 2005 in terms of rushing yards, receiving yards by receivers and receiving yards by tight ends -- and look at where they were drafted. It's not just the fact that the best tight end in the NFL today, Antonio Gates, was an undrafted free agent. Among the top 10 pass-catching tight ends from last season, there were not one but two undrafted free agents. There were three first-round picks and only five of the 10 were taken in the first two rounds. Among the top 10 receivers, there were six first-rounders and eight of 10 taken in the first two rounds. The running backs included seven first-rounders and nine of 10 taken in the first two rounds.



This is the worst type of arguement. Nobody can deny this mans talent but we shouldnt have drafted him because history says??:wacko:

[Bruno42]

Yeah we should have!!:banana3::sflogo: :hyper:

[Faraway]

That may be true in theory, but Davis is more than a TE. Would this guy say teams shouldn't draft a WR in the first round? Or, maybe they shouldn't draft a QB, nor a RB?

I'm sure Nolan knows all of these little facts, and he still believed it was a good choice to make. I'll accept that move.

[Mini_Me]

I'm just thankful we didn't draft a kicker with the 6th pick!

Can you imagine what this guy would have wrote about us if we had? :hide:

[low_N_breezy]

That may be true in theory, .
You know what else is a true theory? That an NFL offense is made on creating mismatches, and I dont give an ish what history says when you have a chance to get a player that makes a mismatch every play today you dont look at history

[TerrellOwns]

this is garbage

[Ace Matherton]

I dont think he is taking into account the way TE's are being used since the emergence of guys like Sharp, Gonzo, Gates. It could be argued that because for so many years TE's were just mobile blockers when guys with ability like the ones listed came up in the draft, schemes were not available to take advantage of their assets. Now with matchups being such a priority the focus is now more on TE's like these. I think this agument might stack up in 15 years but as of now he's got too small a sample to base his theory as fact.

[IMAGE77]

I dont agree wit that thoery u could say that about all the top ten pics...Davis was the second best athlete behind Bush...its a great pick if it doesnt pan out this year it will in the future...

[SF1948]

Yeah right Ellenport, as if we should have waited to get him at #22. They seem to ignore that fact that The Duke was the best receiver in the draft by a wide margin. Perhaps we should just convert him to a wide out to shut them up.. nah.. we will have big girns seeing what these same folks have to say after Davis plays a season. IMAGE77, I concur that Davis is the second best offensive pick behind Bush, hands down.

[49ers 4 Life]

Vernon Davis will prove doubters wrong come this up comming season,so screw history.

[Benny1942]

this is garbage

This may or may not be a good idea. Just because a player played great does not mean he can coach great?

Bill Walsh was not a great player but!!!??

Understand what I am saying??:tiptoe:

[BayBomber49]

HAHHAHAHAH...What a joke. It would be like saying we shouldnt' draft a QB until the 6th Round because that is when Tom Brady was drafted.

[49ers]

this is garbageCouldn't have said it better myself.

[Joe Montana]

The only way that V. Davis does not end up being an all world tight end is if Alex Smith doesn't get him the ball.
It is about Alex Smith.

Love the pick and love that Norv is there to call plays.

[Warriorlax87]

As i tried to argue the day after the draft, now an NFL analyst has come out to say the same thing, heres the proof, sure you guys may hate on me even more for posting this again, but i have to prove my point.

http://nfl.com/draft/story/9413105

[BayBomber49]

This article was posted in another thread currently on the front page...probably should post there and search before you post, it is incredibly GERMAN. And I will say it again...What a joke. Like saying only should draft QB's in the 6th round b/c Tom Brady was a 6th round pick.

[niranson]

Uhhh...Nothing can be "proven" until we see what he does in the regular season over the next few years.

All we know right now is that we have an athletic freak on offense and I don't see anything to complain about there.

[D-Man]

I can't read your post because I have you on my ignore list. But, I trust this is another trashy, troll-like thread. You already made a dumb, factless, pointless thread on Davis. Get lost! Go to another team MB! You're only making yourself a bigger fool!

You have nothing to back your trash, because there is nothing!

[Warriorlax87]

We have EJ, why draft Davis?

[niranson]

We have EJ, why draft Davis?

Because EJ has missed 2 out of the past 3 seasons due to injury. He can't make plays on injured reserve. His health is a liability.

[kavaholic]

We have EJ, why draft Davis?
because this guy is never healthy!!! he missed the whole 2003 season. he missed the whole 2005 season. he's not reliable. Alex Smith needs reliable recivers who can play every Sunday. NOT ONCE IN A BLUE MOON.

[BrentJones84]

We have EJ, why draft Davis?

Using that as an arguement, you could say we have 53 men on the roster last season, why draft anyone? :shots:

[Warriorlax87]

Using that as an arguement, you could say we have 53 men on the roster last season, why draft anyone? :shots:

no your wrong, if u knew anything about the 49ers you would know EJ is the owner of a club record, he is an allstar, we did not have 53 all stars last year

[kavaholic]

no your wrong, if u knew anything about the 49ers you would know EJ is the owner of a club record, he is an allstar, we did not have 53 all stars last year

uhhh...no youre wrong because E.J can own every record in the book...it wont matter if you're not healthy to get on the field and play.

[BayBomber49]

How is this even an argument?

[Warriorlax87]

uhhh...no youre wrong because E.J can own every record in the book...it wont matter if you're not healthy to get on the field and play.

Alex smith couldnt stay healthy in his first season, why not take Leinart this year? hypotheitcal of course.

[Fez]

Offseason is waaaaay too long... :rolleyes2:

Vernon was the best athlete available, so we take him. None of those guys come close to what VD is supposed to be.

So, screw the author.

[Warriorlax87]

Jerry was a pristine receiver when JJ stokes and Terrel Owens were drafted.

EJ's accomplishments have not gone unnoticed but unfortunately neither has two season on IR in 3 years...

Two WR recievers start every game and practically all sets are two WR, i dotn think TO was a first round selection, do the research before you post.

[kavaholic]

Alex smith couldnt stay healthy in his first season, why not take Leinart this year? hypotheitcal of course.
because Smith didn't miss the last 2 out of 3 seasons!! maybe if Smith is injured the next 2 outta 3 seasons *KNOCK ON WOOD* we will look for a new qb in the draft. but until that happens we're sticking with Smith.

[DraconisRex]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9413105

This is the worst type of arguement. Nobody can deny this mans talent but we shouldnt have drafted him because history says??:wacko:


That's what he says history says. Because he took one year and decided this was all of history. When, in fact, just two years ago three of the top six TEs were #1 choices and two of the other three were Day 1 choices.

He convienently doesn't tell you (or is, perhaps, unaware) that there have been disproportionally few TEs drafted in Round 1 over the years. For example, from 1990 through 1999, (unless I messed up my count) there were only 9 TEs drafted in Round 1. Because, the short of it is, you draft talent relative to the promise of the talent. And there just hasn't been a huge group of talented TEs coming out of college for years. Add in busts, plus the TE position has one of the shortest highly-effective-durations (due to the constant physical grind) in pro-football (even shorter than backs), and you're just not going to have a big population of #1 TEs clustered at the top. Tight ends, like Gonzalez, who've had the necessary athleticism to be drafted in Round 1 and have managed to play at a high level for a long time are rare.

But, if you check the clustering of Round 1 talent to receiving production, I think if you go back a few years, you'll see plenty of years where the top of the field is well represented by Round 1 draftees. You have Gonzalez who routinely lead all TEs, plus Shockey & Heap. Even Bubba Franks had a few good years. Plus there remains hope for some of the more marginal ones, like Graham and Stevens, who've struggled to break out.

So, think I can say is that he's failing to recognize the underlying issues and drawing the most hurtful conclusion he can because he doesn't quite understand what he's looking at.

[BrentJones84]

no your wrong, if u knew anything about the 49ers you would know EJ is the owner of a club record, he is an allstar, we did not have 53 all stars last year

You're funny. :ok:

[IMAGE77]

hows this guy gonna say wat he said on the web cite that was posted to start this thread?True u can find tight ends late in the draft if u get lucky and hit the bulls eye wit your scouting but Davis was well worth the pick hes the FASTEST tight end to ever come out of college..hes as strong as a OL...and was the second best athlete in the draft after Bush and he fit the bill perfect on wat we needed wit offense and Turners offense and plus nobody in my eyes was worth the pick besides MAYBE Huff....plus u can say tha about any posotion not just "TE"

[BrentJones84]

as a rebuttal i'd ask
Where was Shannon Sharpe drafted, Ben Coates, Jay Novacek, Brent jones, Kellen winslow SR, Keith Jackson.

You know the ones that paved the way for Tony Gonzales...these were not undrafted free agents but mean that came in drafted and worked hard. Antonio is the exception not the rule

Brent Jones: 5th round

Jay Novacek: sixth round

Shannon Sharpe drafted in 7th round.

[Warriorlax87]

read my post. I never said TO was a 1st round selection.
Point is two TE's can play in a game which you ignore.
Fact is Nolan and Norv have said in print that TWO TE sets are going to be used and that it's a niner tradition. (you don't even know your won teams tradition :unsure: )

Fact is, every team that has a certifiable HOFer always drafts their replacement at some point in time. Denver drafted Tommy Maddox while Elway wasn't close to retirement and again this year drafted Jay cutler even tho Plummer had a pro bowl season last year.

Fact is, even with Emmitt on the roster Dallas drafted RB's. Anyone who drafts like you do isn't trying to stay on top but has already accepted that faillure will come for their organization sooner or later..

Obvioulsy you never said TO was a first rounder, but TO was not drafted to be Jerry's replacement, a first round pick would be used to replace someone so great. Dallas didnt select runningbacks in the first while Emmit was around. Go to a Ravens Message Board, why would you be here if your not a fan?

[DraconisRex]

As i tried to argue the day after the draft, now an NFL analyst has come out to say the same thing, heres the proof, sure you guys may hate on me even more for posting this again, but i have to prove my point.

http://nfl.com/draft/story/9413105


It's not "proof." It's an argument. One that is fundamentally flawed because it doesn't look at how many TEs are actually good enough to be drafted in Round 1 & Round 2. From 1990 through 1999 there were only 9 TEs drafted in the first round. With many years no TE being drafted in the first round.

Basically, the only proof that was put on is that there aren't a lot of TEs on the list without having acknowledged there haven't been very many good TEs worthy of a Round 1 selection, so lower-level athletes have been getting the call. Since 1990 there have been 21 TEs drafted in Round 1. That's 17 years.

Given an 8-10 year life for TEs and a 50% (presumed) bust rate, having just 3 or 4 Round 1 TEs in the Top-10 is perfectly normal.

In the same time, there have been 55 backs drafted in Round 1. 1 Back. 1 TE.

Backs drafted FOUR-TIMES more frequently in Round 1 than TEs. Which, should I use this clown's argument, would mean TE is a better deal... With this quanity of RBs, I should expect ALL of the Top-12, not just Top-10, to be 1st round picks.

Yet it isn't so.

[Warriorlax87]

didn't say he was drafted to be his replacement and Vernon wasn't drafted to replace EJ but to contribute as one spoke in the niners wheel...

As for the comments on emmitt i'm sure you'd be surprised at what they did while emmitt was around. but it's obviously you don't know about two seperate running backs they brought in to take carries away from Emmitt.

And your last sentence is laughable. You have shown a lack of knowledge about your own team so when that's called out you say "Go to a Ravens Message Board" i guess you feel threatened again as you've used that line before and it didnt' work...

No i do not feel threatened, i probably have more knowledge of the Ravens Franchise and the 49ers Franchise than you ever will, but my post is only sperating niners fans so im gonna stop being critical of the pick and let it be what it is. But seriously man, go to a Ravens MB, i dont want to see the ravens logo on a strictly niners MB.

[Fez]

But seriously man, go to a Ravens MB, i dont want to see the ravens logo on a strictly niners MB.

Grow up.

[Warriorlax87]

Grow up.


nah man im good, not meant to be immature, but why come to a niners MB, thats all im saying, i dont got to Ravens MB's or any other team at that.

[niranson]

Tiz is just a hardcore Niner fan wearing a costume.

Don't worry. :laugh:

[Fez]

nah man im good, not meant to be immature, but why come to a niners MB, thats all im saying, i dont got to Ravens MB's or any other team at that.

So you're ready to run some other guys out of these boards, too?

Guys like EaglesFanDan, Daredevil, Large_Ant, Cardinals.Renz, or even sammy (a moderator, of all people)? Who are you to tell them they shouldn't be here? One thing's for sure... they all have contributed a lot more to these boards than you have.

Chill, dude.

[JASON]

With both Johnson and Davis on the team we will haqve even more weapons for Smith to throw to. Both tight ends will be playing on the field together in quite a few plays this season GUARANTEED! Drafting Vernon Davis was a gimmie because how many Tightends or wide receivers run a 4.3 40 yard dash, that right there just makes me want to scream we drafted a pro bowler right there.

[JASON]

There was no body else at number six that I would have drafted. Davis is gonna shut you Na Sayers up this season and for seasons to come, YOU WATCH!

[smithgdwg]

I like this board better with some fans of opposing teams giving their insight. Sometimes they give the best since us fans can be quite overly-optomistic(myself included) when talking about the niners, and they can help bring it back to reality.

As long as they aren't trolling or just out to bash the niners, they have every right to be here and have their say.

Now back on topic, V. Davis was the best choice we had at #6, and arguable the best pick the niners could of made over any other player(dare I say even Bush...). The Niners needed to pick up a TE in the draft, so why not choose the best?

[JASON]

I like this board better with some fans of opposing teams giving their insight. Sometimes they give the best since us fans can be quite overly-optomistic(myself included) when talking about the niners, and they can help bring it back to reality.

As long as they aren't trolling or just out to bash the niners, they have every right to be here and have their say.

Now back on topic, V. Davis was the best choice we had at #6, and arguable the best pick the niners could of made over any other player(dare I say even Bush...). The Niners needed to pick up a TE in the draft, so why not choose the best?
I hear you on the overly optomistic thing. We will never know how good or bad we are going to be until we play the games. We can talk about how good we look right now all we want but it don't mean squat, But I hope we kick as#

[DraconisRex]

No i do not feel threatened, i probably have more knowledge of the Ravens Franchise and the 49ers Franchise than you ever will, but my post is only sperating niners fans so im gonna stop being critical of the pick and let it be what it is. But seriously man, go to a Ravens MB, i dont want to see the ravens logo on a strictly niners MB.


Considering the opposite has been convincingly demonstrated over-time, I find this laughable. If we could give negative reputation, you'd have earned it with this post.

[DraconisRex]

no your wrong, if u knew anything about the 49ers you would know EJ is the owner of a club record, he is an allstar, we did not have 53 all stars last year


He's never made the pro-bowl. He's never made an all-pro team. You seem to be entirely incapable of understanding "quality" versus "quantity." EJ will give yo a lot of hamburger. The Duke will give you steak.