Next 49ers in the HOF? [Archive] - 49ers Message Board Community

Joe Montana

05-08-2006, 01:48 PM

I have always though Roger Craig should get some votes.
He was the 1st RB to gain 1000 yards both rushing and recieving in the same season.
He was a big part of the glory years but maybe the overall numbers are not there.
On our team now, all I see is Larry Allen for sure but I guess he would go in a Cowboy.
Hopefully Alex Smith some day!:sflogo:

Joe Montana

05-08-2006, 01:55 PM

Maybe Bob McKittrick as the first Offensive Line coach ever to win it?
Great idea.:sflogo:

Benny1942

05-08-2006, 02:31 PM

BayBomber49

05-08-2006, 03:13 PM

RC Owens and Roger Craig are my guys, I would peg to get in.

BrentJones84

05-08-2006, 03:23 PM

Maybe Bob McKittrick as the first Offensive Line coach ever to win it?

:worthy: :worthy: :worthy:

Benji

05-08-2006, 03:51 PM

What about Tim McDonald? Or Marques Pope? They were outstanding DB´s!!
Not to forget Deion Sanders. I know, he just played a season for us but he helped us winning our 5th Super Bowl!

Benji

05-08-2006, 04:02 PM

What about Ken Norton Jr. ?

BayBomber49

05-08-2006, 04:03 PM

Did someone just bring up Marquez "Burnt Toast" Pope? He was horrible, he is one of my only 49ers that I dislike.

NinerRider

05-08-2006, 04:04 PM

Deion........maybe. He's got many rings.

Deion maybe? He's a 1st ballot guy for sure.

But to whoever it was that said Marquez Pope, can I have some of what you've been smoking? I guess Eric Davis and Dana Hall should be in the HOF too.

Benji

05-08-2006, 04:07 PM

[QUOTE=EastSanJose408Niner]
But to whoever it was that said Marquez Pope, can I have some of what you've been smoking?
[QUOTE]

HERE YA GO! :cowboy:

Benji

05-08-2006, 04:12 PM

So if Marquez Pope doesn´t satisfy you:

What´s with Jim Druckenmiller? :sam: :devil: :sam:
:spy:

BrentJones84

05-08-2006, 04:13 PM

Deion maybe? He's a 1st ballot guy for sure.

But to whoever it was that said Marquez Pope, can I have some of what you've been smoking? I guess Eric Davis and Dana Hall should be in the HOF too.

Actually, I think Eric Davis and Dana Hall should get some consideration.

Eric Davis was drafted at the same time as Ronnie Lott, and played in all the same Super Bowls.

Eng74

05-08-2006, 04:14 PM

I could see Norton going in but more than likely as a cowboy. Deion was (is) a hired gun. Pope never realy put up the numbers.

Mr Spoons

05-08-2006, 04:52 PM

Actually, I think Eric Davis and Dana Hall should get some consideration.

Eric Davis was drafted at the same time as Ronnie Lott, and played in all the same Super Bowls.

Ummm...do you mean Eric Wright? Eric Davis was drafted in 1990. He was a pretty good CB, but I wouldn't say HoF.

Deion is a definite Hofer, but do you count a one season player as a Niner? Rickey Jackson must have a pretty good shot too, but same same.

John Brodie is the name that most readily jumps to mind for "not in Canton yet"

SF1948

05-08-2006, 05:38 PM

I don't know that Brodie played well enough in the post season to get himself into Canton. Charlie Kruger should be there for sure. Dean and Hacksaw need to go but likely not as niners, ditto for Sanders who IMO was the best cover corner ever.

markiemarko

05-08-2006, 05:52 PM

I think John Taylor should be mentioned. He was overshadowed by Jerry Rice but had a very good career and made some memorable TD catches, "The Catch II" in the Super Bowl against the Bengals, and those two 90 something yard TDs vs. the Rams on Monday night way back when. His situation reminds me of John Stallworth of the Steelers, he was overshadowed by Lynn Swann but still managed to make it in the HOF...

sj niner

05-08-2006, 06:03 PM

Brodie--A very good QB for his time but not a HOFer..Same with Tim McDonald..Craig deserves some votes; as pointed out he was first 1000-1000 RB in history..Look at the elite teams ALL had trios of offensive players who are/will be in Hall eventually..
Steelers--Bradshaw (QB), Franco (RB) Swann & Stallworth (WR)
Cowpies--Aikman, Emmitt and Irvin (I hate him too but you gotta admit he belongs)
9ers--Montana, Craig and Rice

Colts--Peyton, Edge and Harrison

I know Colts haven't won anything (and Edge isn't in Indy anymore) but my point is that Peyton and Harrison will be in Hall when their careers end..They were the most consistant offense over their time together (they haven't had the defense to win it all yet..)

But to answer the question posed..How about
BRYANT YOUNG????

He has been a great player, spent HIS ENTIRE career here, been a class act and player, won defensive rookie of year, came back from that broken leg from Norton helmet, won the most inspitational 9er more times than any player in 9er history..Plus he's been my favorite 9er since Lott left..

BrentJones84

05-08-2006, 06:29 PM

Ummm...do you mean Eric Wright? Eric Davis was drafted in 1990. He was a pretty good CB, but I wouldn't say HoF.

Doh! :homer:

I always get those two names mixed up. :pullhair:

BrentJones84

05-08-2006, 06:45 PM

Here are a few guys who I don't understand why they get snubbed by the HOF:

Eric Wright & Keena Turner both won all the same four Super Bowls that Joe Montana and Ronnie Lott did. They have 4 rings as staters, and it seems unfair Montana and Lott get all the glory when these guys were on the same field at the same time.

Jesse Sapolu also won 4 SuperBowls with the 49ers (3 with Joe, one with Steve) and is the only person who has that claim.

The HOF is about winners, and people who drove their team to win.

Eric Wright, Kenna Turner and Jesse Sapolu all fit the criteria, as they wouldn't have all won 4 rings if they didn't.

Roger Craig and Brent Jones also deserve a nod, as they were both big parts of the reason the 49ers were so dominant for so long.

Brian Jennings

05-08-2006, 09:01 PM

Terrell Owens

49ers 4 Life

05-08-2006, 09:01 PM

The next 49ers to be in the HOF are:
Roger Craig
Ken Norton Jr
Charles Haley
Brent Jones
John Taylor
Harris Barton
Jesse Sapolu
:sflogo:

markiemarko

05-08-2006, 10:01 PM

Randy Cross, he played both guard and center. Made the pro bowl at both positions...

BY97

05-08-2006, 10:25 PM

sj niner

05-08-2006, 11:46 PM

BY is a lock and shouldn't even be talked about as a mere suggestion. He is one of the best DT in our contemporary times....

I wouldn't say BY is a "lock" for Hall..We 9er fans know this but will he get the 75% votes needed for induction from nationwide press? BY isn't a flashy player who calls attention to himself..I mean Craig doesn't even get a sniff from voters from east..I forgot about Haley..He should be next 9er in Hall..

Eng74

05-09-2006, 10:21 AM

I have to add one more and I do not know how I could have forgot. Mr. Eddie DeBartolo. Thanks for everything!:sflogo: :football:

LOS41510

05-09-2006, 11:13 AM

LOS41510

05-09-2006, 01:19 PM

Roger Craig, Jesse Sapulo And Guy Mcintyre And In The Near Future Jerry Rice And Bryant Young

Los

To Start Press Anykey, Where's The Anykey?? - Homer Simpson

Giedi

05-09-2006, 02:10 PM

Maybe Bob McKittrick as the first Offensive Line coach ever to win it?

Not a bad choice Fabie, not a bad choice.

Giedi :towel:

Giedi

05-09-2006, 02:11 PM

arch

05-09-2006, 02:13 PM

Jerry rice
George Seifert
Roger Craig
Eddie Debartalo

Brian Jennings

05-09-2006, 02:38 PM

heh, I'm the only one who mentions TO, proof that most fans are still bitter.

Eng74

05-09-2006, 04:28 PM

heh, I'm the only one who mentions TO, proof that most fans are still bitter.

I do not think T.O. has done anything as a WR that should get him in the HOF. He has never led the NFL in any catagory for a season. The only record he has is for most catches in one game. I would love to see him prove me wrong as long as it is not against the Niners. I wish him nothing but the best and go back to being Terrel Owens and not just T.O..

sevry

05-09-2006, 05:24 PM

I would say Charles Haley has a fair shot at making it. Brent Jones deserves some consideration. Michael Carter? Harris Barton? Rickey Watters?

I don't know. The Niners glory years were filled with journeymen players doing their part. They had very few superstars. Bill Walsh found players to fit his system and got the best out of them. That was the nature of those teams.
Dean has been up for it, though. One of these years, maybe? Haley? You'd think that he would have even a better shot. I don't know if Roger Craig has been mentioned. I suppose Dieon Sanders would be looked at, and possibly get in.

The linemen are another story. Randy Cross might have the best case, as he was versatile, and effective.

'Hacksaw Reynolds' might be one to make it in, one day. I would like to see John Taylor in the HOF. But I don't know if he has the stats. But I believe he was a match for Rice. And Rice was an easy selection for his stats.

fourty9er_11

05-09-2006, 06:22 PM

i think it will probably be Jose Cortez. :tung:

The Executioner

05-09-2006, 08:33 PM

I do not think T.O. has done anything as a WR that should get him in the HOF. He has never led the NFL in any catagory for a season. The only record he has is for most catches in one game. I would love to see him prove me wrong as long as it is not against the Niners. I wish him nothing but the best and go back to being Terrel Owens and not just T.O..

T.O. is 12th all-time in touchdowns. After 2006, he is in the top 15 all-time in receptions and receiving yards. The only missing is the ring. If he has 3 more T.O. like seasons, he's a lock.

The Executioner

05-09-2006, 08:38 PM

As far as the rest of the 49ers are concerned, I hate to say but many fall in the land of very good. There are a few guys from the 1970s Steelers who do not belong in the Hall of Fame, but are in. With the way things are, only 4 49ers from the Glory Days will be in the Hall of Fame. (Not counting those we had for one or two years like Deion Sanders.) The deal is that Rice, Montana and Lott are better than any player from the 1970s Steelers team. They are the Hall of Fame of the Hall of Fame. They got great support from a lot of solid, Pro-Bowl caliber players, but not Hall of Famers. Keep in mind that Dave Wilcox was one of the best LB of his generation, but it took 20 years for him to get in.

The Executioner

05-09-2006, 08:40 PM

Someone who hasn't been mentioned in this thread is Merton Hanks. He was All-Pro 1st team safety for FOUR straight seasons from 1994-1997. Unfortunately, he was over the hill by 1998 and the 49ers replaced him with Lance Schulters.

BayBomber49

05-09-2006, 09:55 PM

Jose Cortez will never leave people's memory. Also, remember how bad Owen Pochman was...he may have been worse. (Not to hijack the thread)

LOS41510

05-10-2006, 09:03 AM

I DONT REALLY KNOW BOUT GEORGE SEIFERT. I MEAN HE WASNT BAD A COACH I JUST FELT THAT SIEFERT WAS JUST BABYSITTING WALSH'S CREATION. THERE WASNT ANY DIFFERENCES WHEN WALSH LEFT AND SIEFERT NEVER REALLY DID NOTHING TO REALLY CONSIDER IT HIS TEAM. OTHER THAN COACH, HE IS A GOOD COACH BUT WOULDNT CONSIDER HIM HOFAMER, CAUSE OF HIS POOR COACHING IN CAROLINA

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE JOHN BRODIE IN IT. I KNOW I WAS BORN IN 84 BUT MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR ( WHEN I WAS LITTLE AND LIVING IN SAN FRAN ) USE TO TELL ME ABOUT HIM AND WHAT KIND OF THROWING ABILITY HE HAD. HE ALSO TOLD ME ABOUT THE 3 TIMES HE LEAD US TO THE PLAYOFFS AND LOST TO DALLAS ( I HATE THEM, IRVIN AND ALVIN HARPER ). BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE ANY NINER IN THE HOF

LOS

THIS IS THE REAL 80, THATS A FAKE 80 ( TOWARDS JERRY RICE ), THIS IS THE REAL NUMBER 80- ALVIN HARPER 94 SEASON GAME VS COWGIRLS.... YEAH ALVIN NO OFFENSE WHAT HAPPEN TO YOU AFTER THAT SEASON. YOU WENT TO THE YUCS AND RICE IS GOING TO BECOME A HALL OF FAMER SO WHEREVER YOU ARE, YOU BETTER START EATING THEM WORDS, #$%TCH!!:football:

49ers4Life

05-10-2006, 10:28 AM

Jerry Rice
Roger Craig

:banana4: :banana4: :banana4: :banana4:

Eng74

05-10-2006, 12:12 PM

T.O. is 12th all-time in touchdowns. After 2006, he is in the top 15 all-time in receptions and receiving yards. The only missing is the ring. If he has 3 more T.O. like seasons, he's a lock.
Just remeber Parcells likes to run the ball a lot. Also if he plays as many games as the last two seasons that works out to about 1 season.

BrentJones84

05-10-2006, 12:45 PM

Jose Cortez will never leave people's memory. Also, remember how bad Owen Pochman was...he may have been worse. (Not to hijack the thread)

Technically, he was far worse. Cortez made approx 75% of his kicks. Pochman was closer to 50%.

Back to topic:

I doubt TO makes it to the hall of fame. His attitude will have turned off too many voters. And while off the field matters are not suppossed to count, that fact that he has been suspended for so many games (in my opinion) counts as on the field action, by virtue of not being there.

BrentJones84

05-10-2006, 12:49 PM

I DONT REALLY KNOW BOUT GEORGE SEIFERT. I MEAN HE WASNT BAD A COACH I JUST FELT THAT SIEFERT WAS JUST BABYSITTING WALSH'S CREATION. THERE WASNT ANY DIFFERENCES WHEN WALSH LEFT AND SIEFERT NEVER REALLY DID NOTHING TO REALLY CONSIDER IT HIS TEAM. OTHER THAN COACH, HE IS A GOOD COACH BUT WOULDNT CONSIDER HIM HOFAMER, CAUSE OF HIS POOR COACHING IN CAROLINA

Seifert is one of only a few people to have 5 Super Bowl rings

He earned 3 as assistant coach/defensive coordinator, and two as a head coach.

While his 89 win was babysitting Walsh's team, the 94 team was really his team. When he left SF, he held the NFL record for highest winning percentage of any coach. That is HOF material.

However, I agree, his time in Carolina probabaly killed any chance of his making the HOF, ending on a bad 1-15 season (even though the GM has gutted the team the year before)

BrentJones84

05-10-2006, 02:59 PM

would you guys consider Deion Sanders as a niner that got in :spy:

Deon will probably get in at some point, but I would think most likely as a Cowpoke, and overall NFL history.

He was only with the 49ers for that one great season.

Darkiller_Niner

05-10-2006, 03:39 PM

Terrell Owens is one of the most dominant players of his era and has been a true NFL elite for the last 5-6 years.
He IS a Hall of Fame type player but I agree that he needs another 2-3 good seasons to really get his credentials. Obviously, a ring would help but his play in the SuperBowl two years ago --coming back from the broken leg-- was one of the courageous effort I ever saw.

Too bad TO has no brain and behaves likes a fool because on the field, he is a superb dominant player, a Hall of Fame WR.

As far as the next 49ers in the Hall, I would love to see Roger Craig make it (he signed me an autograph and I did a couple of pictures with him last January) but he's hasn't past the 25-Semi Finalist HOF list the last couple of years so he seems like a longshot unfortunately...at least for now.

B.Y ?
Well, a real team-leader, inspirational player but hasn't really been "flashy" or what so I don't see him making the Hall of Fame.

Deion ? he's not a 49er.
OK he won a SuperBowl with us and was Defensive Player of the year wearing the scarlet & gold but he only spent one year (and actually didn't arrive in SF until late september) and then went to play for the hatred Cowboys. I can't really consider him a "Niner". But yeah, he makes the Hall of Fame on the 1st ballot as he might be the best Cornerback of all time.

John Brodie ? A great player but I don't think he's a Hall of Famer.

Obviously, aside from Jerry Rice, I don' know of any 49er locks in the coming years...

The Executioner

05-10-2006, 03:42 PM

would you guys consider Deion Sanders as a niner that got in :spy:

Does daredevil consider Eric ****erson a Falcon that got in?

BrentJones84

05-10-2006, 04:02 PM

i know i was just being a smart arse.
I'm curious to see if he'd choose ATL or Dallas. but he won with Dallas so i'm sure he'd go with them.

I'm curious how many Deon fans even remember he was with the Falcons?

Brian Jennings

05-10-2006, 08:39 PM

i know i was just being a smart arse.
I'm curious to see if he'd choose ATL or Dallas. but he won with Dallas so i'm sure he'd go with them.You don't go in as a member of any one team.

The Executioner

05-11-2006, 12:28 AM

DD should because if he didn't how many Falcon HOFers would he ever have?
And without his team ever winning a SB and never will (ha) he's gotta grasp on to any success he can anywhere he can find it...

go falcons LOL

Anyone else miss the falcons in the nfc west getting beat up by SF

Not really. Once Vick was a Falcon, I would still haven't traded them to another division for the Cardinals or Seahawks.

The Executioner

05-11-2006, 12:49 AM

Not sure if this has been posted, but SportsNation is running a poll on the best owners of all-time.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/ballot?event_id=2044

Surprisely, no Eddie D., but they have Al Davis on there. :nonono:

number1ninerfan

05-12-2006, 08:55 PM

Jerry Rice or course will be in the HOF the best WR in NFL histrory maybe the best player in NFL history. IMO Roger Craig gets remebered as the guy who fumbled and didn't allow the Niners to three peat. Without Roger the Niner wouldn't of been in the postion to three peat IMO.

sevry

05-13-2006, 06:57 AM

Roger Craig gets remebered as the guy who fumbled and didn't allow the Niners to three peat. Without Roger the Niner wouldn't of been in the postion to three peat IMO.
And, of course, it was one of those tests, that we all get. Because he had been the one speaking of 'three-peat', the season before, I believe on camera after the Superbowl (someone correct me if I'm wrong). And sure enough, his was a key mistake in the game, that kept the 49ers from three in a row, and what ultimately would have been six championship trophies. I think it was an honest mistake. That is, I don't think anyone 'made a call' to him. I think he just messed up. He had spoken up. And somehow - he was put to it - and the words came back to him, all ghostlike.

And keeping in mind the sort of underbelly of all professional sports, which has been brought prominently back into view as part of the greater effort to place Bonds cheating 'in context' by various writers, as you say though, unless there's some outlaw fix in the voting, or betting on same in Vegas, etc, it would be quite an upset if Rice isn't voted in on the first ballot. First ballot HOF. Because people would - really suspect something if he weren't.

And after Rice, Fred Dean? I don't know? Haley? Jack Reynolds? Dieon? I still say they should seriously consider - John Taylor.

SeattleNiner

05-13-2006, 07:23 AM

heh, I'm the only one who mentions TO, proof that most fans are still bitter.

If TO does well in Dallas he is a lock for the HOF - Unless he says something that really pisses off the voters! :stirthepot:

DraconisRex

05-13-2006, 07:42 AM

We all know Jerry will be in the HOF in his 1st. year he is eligible. Who else do you think should be in there? I think Roger Craig should be in there already and RC Owens. So who's on your list? :sflogo:

After Jerry Rice, Terrell Owens is the only player that's had a significant 49er career I think that has a realistic chance.

Craig has too much competition coming up and has always been marginal for HOF inclusion. Same with Brent Jones & Fred Dean. BY was voted to the 1990's "Team of the Decade" with Warren Sapp, but has never been a self-promoter which is, unfortunately, part of how you get in anymore.

John Taylor doesn't even deserve mention when there are, literally, scores of WRs who've surpassed his accomplishments, many of whom get no mention for the HOF. Same with RC Owens who really didn't have much of a career, even for a WR of his era. We're talking a guy whose best year qualifed him for 7th in the NFL amoung receivers. With his second best year coming in at, statistically, only 70% of his best year with the rest dropping in at 50% to 25% of his best year.

In the 49er Pantheon, RC Owens is behind Taylor, Parks, Solomon, Washington, Wilson, Stokes & Clark.

DraconisRex

05-13-2006, 07:45 AM

Actually, I think Eric Davis and Dana Hall should get some consideration.

Eric Davis was drafted at the same time as Ronnie Lott, and played in all the same Super Bowls.

No he wasn't. He was drafted later. You're thinking of Eric Wright.

DraconisRex

05-13-2006, 07:56 AM

Eddie Debartalo For The Following Reasons

-taking A Perenial Loser And Making Them Winners
-making Football Fun In San Francisco Fun Again
-dedicating His Money ( Unlike York ) On A Franchise And Turning Them Into A Decade Idolized Team. Playoff Contenders And Champions

He Should Of Been In The Hall Of Fame Along Time Ago Man I Nominate Eddie D For The Hall Of Fame Baby. The Nfl Owes Him That Much Regardless Of That Stupid Crap That Happen In New Orleans

Los

Woo Hoo

:falldownlaugh: That's amusing. That's what GMs & Coaches get in for. Owners don't get credit for that.

They get credit for other things. Like Al Davis for helping to broker the NFL/AFL merger. Or for being a founding father and demonstrating a huge commitment to the league over his own team, like Wellington Mara, who many times kept the NFL solvent. Or like Art Rooney who was inducted, in 1964, while the Steelers were the joke of the NFL and a decade before the Steelers ever became a force in the NFL.

I think you'll see a Bidwell in the HOF before DeBartolo. For the same reasons as Mara. Cheap and ineffective as his son may be, the elder Bidwell did a masterful job of keeping the NFL going during hard times.

DraconisRex

05-13-2006, 07:57 AM

heh, I'm the only one who mentions TO, proof that most fans are still bitter.

I can't stand him. I mentioned him. Though I came to the thread late. He's still not a lock because he's not got the numbers yet and needs two very productive, non-interruptive seasons with the Cowboys to have a solid shot.

DraconisRex

05-13-2006, 08:00 AM

I'm curious how many Deon fans even remember he was with the Falcons?

I remember Rice torching him for 3 TDs one game. And Steve Young chasing him down on an INT. So, yes.

Eng74

05-13-2006, 09:53 AM

I remember Rice torching him for 3 TDs one game. And Steve Young chasing him down on an INT. So, yes.
That was a great shot by Steve in that game against Dallas. Most QB's would not have done that, Young chaced after him and flipped him up in the air. :falldownlaugh:

sevry

05-14-2006, 06:43 PM

Craig has too much competition coming up and has always been marginal for HOF inclusion. Same with Brent Jones & Fred Dean.

Dean literally pioneered that position for the 49ers. Perhaps his stats aren't enough to get him in. But he's been nominated, and might still be voted in. I didn't mention Brent Jones. He was a great TE. I don't know if he was HOF. But he was a guy who could really - play football. And Craig, he could still be voted in.

John Taylor doesn't even deserve mention when there are, literally, scores of WRs who've surpassed his accomplishments

But you can say that for those in the HOF, as well. The question is, does Taylor, on his own merits, deserve to be voted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I think he should be. Just my opinion.