Where to draft and when

[WiltonDeportes]

Right now we have these picks: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd(Peterson compensation), 4th, 4th (Barlow trade), 4th (Lloyd trade), 5th, 5th(Andre Carter compensation), 6th, 7th (Anthony Clement compensation)

RT- Harris is good at times, bad at others, and gets called for way too many penalties and Snyder is a career backup likely. Snyder lacks the feet to be a good pass protector, but he has good size and decent strength. This also allows Snyder to get more time in practice at guard.
Round 3-5

WR- Arnaz Battle is here to stay. Antonio Bryant is on and off. Brandon Williams was a 3rd rounder who needs to develop more as a reciever. Gilmore is a journeyman. Jacobs is a possible cut next year.
Round 2-5

RB- Gore has been fantastic. Hicks has been a good backup and returnman. His contract ends after this season and the niners have a young guy that could replace him in both of his roles, MRob. If Hicks is resigned, you can scratch this off the list.
Round 6

DE- We are set at the nose with Fields and Sopo holding it down. So, we can move our attention to the DE's to fix this Dline. BY, Douglas, and Oliver have all played good this year. Oliver is a rising player and is a core guy on the Dline, but the other 2 are aging. We should pick up another guy here that can be mentored by BY before he retires. You can never have too much Dline depth.
Round 3-6

LB- Brandon Moore has been a bright spot here. Lawson has covered well and has potential as a passrusher. Haralson showed flashes and should be good. That right there is 3 of the 4 starters we will need to run the 3-4. Smith can go another year maybe. Ulbrich is possibly gone. Slaughter and Navies are backups at best. We need a future starter at MLB from the draft.
Round 1-3

CB- Spencer is a man we will have for a very long time. Harris has been a nice surprise and a leader, but he is old and all old corners one day will lose that speed. And when it goes, it goes fast. Hudson is probably a safety. After him, we have Sammy Davis, who will probably be cut next year. And Strickland, who is okay, but not part of the future plans. This is a top priority.
Round 1-2 and Round 5-7

S- Here we have nothing special...yet. Lewis is okay. He will hit anyone and is decent in coverage. He is maybe the starter next year. Hudson is a young guy I haven't seen very much. I think that eventually he will be a good coverage safety. Roman is a journeyman and occasional starter. Adams is a career backup likely. Chad Williams is more of a specialist as part of our nickel package and will never start at the true safety position. This position is a big question mark that needs a first day talent.
Round 1-3

Basically, it will be CB, S, LB in any order with the first 3 picks.

My Niners Mock
1. Laron Landry S LSU
2. Daymeion Hughes CB Cal
or
1. Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburgh
2. Josh Gattis S Wake Forest
3. Desmond Bishop Cal / David Harris Mich / Zach Latimer Okla MLB
3. Mike Otto OT Purdue
4. Justin Harrell / Turk McBride DE Tennessee
4. Chris Davis FSU / Joel Filani TTU / Jarrett Hicks TTU / James Finley Oregon / Rhema McKnight ND WR
4. Dwayne Wright RB Fresno St
5. Jonathon Wade Tenn / Marcus Hamilton Virginia / David Irons Auburn / Tarrell Brown Texas CB
5. Marquise Gunn Auburn / Kevin McLee WVU / Larry Birdine Okla / Rory Johnson Ole Miss LB
6. Ben Patrick TE Delaware (or some other runblocking tight end)
7. Darnell Stapleton Rutgers / Lyle Sendlein Texas / Mark Fenton Colorado C

[WiltonDeportes]

ill be gone for a week, but leave some comments

[Jlowd21]

good post.

[WiltonDeportes]

ok im back...so anyone else?

[majesstik1]

5. Jonathon Wade Tenn / Marcus Hamilton Virginia / David Irons Auburn / Tarrell Brown Texas CB

I highly doubt any one of these players is available in round 5.

[zappa55]

1. Patrick Willis or Reggie Nelson

Trade up to lat 1st round. Plenty of extra picks to make this possible.

1.b) Amobi Okoye or if someone from above slips take them here.

Later round possibilities
CB. Fred Bennet, Marcus McCauley, Aaron Ross.
WR. Robert Meachem, Dwayne Bowe

[WiltonDeportes]

I highly doubt any one of these players is available in round 5.

well its a long ways away so we will see

[majesstik1]

well its a long ways away so we will see

So, in 4 months, these guys will all the sudden become bad prospects?

You're right it is a long way off, and if any of them drop that low, it'll be because they interviewed very poorly.

[WiltonDeportes]

1. Patrick Willis or Reggie Nelson

Trade up to lat 1st round. Plenty of extra picks to make this possible.

1.b) Amobi Okoye or if someone from above slips take them here.

Later round possibilities
CB. Fred Bennet, Marcus McCauley, Aaron Ross.
WR. Robert Meachem, Dwayne Bowe

willis isn't a good fit for our defense. he would play the same position as lawson. okoye also doesn't fit our scheme very well. he is like tommie harris, an excellent undertackle for the tampa 2 defense. as for your later round possibilities, i like them all besides mccauley.

[WiltonDeportes]

So, in 4 months, these guys will all the sudden become bad prospects?

You're right it is a long way off, and if any of them drop that low, it'll be because they interviewed very poorly.

it could also be because of bad combines and other players rising above them

[majesstik1]

it could also be because of bad combines and other players rising above them

The prospects you listed are all 2nd and 3rd round grades. I doubt they'll do much to drop 3 rounds in value.

[WiltonDeportes]

I would rather draft Reggie Nelson than L.Landry.



Reggie Nelson = Ed Reed

the only problem with that is marcus hudson will probably eventually play the same position as nelson. our other safety position needs more runstopping skills like landry or gattis.

[WiltonDeportes]

The prospects you listed are all 2nd and 3rd round grades. I doubt they'll do much to drop 3 rounds in value.
well tell me all the corners you think will be there in the 5th and ill tell you who i would want

[mydedgerbil]

you forget about FA's. this year's LB FA class is strong so i think well get the 4th starter there. i think you overrate our pass rush. i think it DE, CB and S in 1st 3 rounds, no order.

[49ER-EXTREMIST]

Right now we have these picks: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd(Peterson compensation), 4th, 4th (Barlow trade), 4th (Lloyd trade), 5th, 5th(Andre Carter compensation), 6th, 7th (Anthony Clement compensation)

RT- Harris is good at times, bad at others, and gets called for way too many penalties and Snyder is a career backup likely. Snyder lacks the feet to be a good pass protector, but he has good size and decent strength. This also allows Snyder to get more time in practice at guard.
Round 3-5

WR- Arnaz Battle is here to stay. Antonio Bryant is on and off. Brandon Williams was a 3rd rounder who needs to develop more as a reciever. Gilmore is a journeyman. Jacobs is a possible cut next year.
Round 2-5

RB- Gore has been fantastic. Hicks has been a good backup and returnman. His contract ends after this season and the niners have a young guy that could replace him in both of his roles, MRob. If Hicks is resigned, you can scratch this off the list.
Round 6

DE- We are set at the nose with Fields and Sopo holding it down. So, we can move our attention to the DE's to fix this Dline. BY, Douglas, and Oliver have all played good this year. Oliver is a rising player and is a core guy on the Dline, but the other 2 are aging. We should pick up another guy here that can be mentored by BY before he retires. You can never have too much Dline depth.
Round 3-6

LB- Brandon Moore has been a bright spot here. Lawson has covered well and has potential as a passrusher. Haralson showed flashes and should be good. That right there is 3 of the 4 starters we will need to run the 3-4. Smith can go another year maybe. Ulbrich is possibly gone. Slaughter and Navies are backups at best. We need a future starter at MLB from the draft.
Round 1-3

CB- Spencer is a man we will have for a very long time. Harris has been a nice surprise and a leader, but he is old and all old corners one day will lose that speed. And when it goes, it goes fast. Hudson is probably a safety. After him, we have Sammy Davis, who will probably be cut next year. And Strickland, who is okay, but not part of the future plans. This is a top priority.
Round 1-2 and Round 5-7

S- Here we have nothing special...yet. Lewis is okay. He will hit anyone and is decent in coverage. He is maybe the starter next year. Hudson is a young guy I haven't seen very much. I think that eventually he will be a good coverage safety. Roman is a journeyman and occasional starter. Adams is a career backup likely. Chad Williams is more of a specialist as part of our nickel package and will never start at the true safety position. This position is a big question mark that needs a first day talent.
Round 1-3

Basically, it will be CB, S, LB in any order with the first 3 picks.

My Niners Mock
1. Laron Landry S LSU
2. Daymeion Hughes CB Cal
or
1. Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburgh
2. Josh Gattis S Wake Forest
3. Desmond Bishop Cal / David Harris Mich / Zach Latimer Okla MLB
3. Mike Otto OT Purdue
4. Justin Harrell / Turk McBride DE Tennessee
4. Chris Davis FSU / Joel Filani TTU / Jarrett Hicks TTU / James Finley Oregon / Rhema McKnight ND WR
4. Dwayne Wright RB Fresno St
5. Jonathon Wade Tenn / Marcus Hamilton Virginia / David Irons Auburn / Tarrell Brown Texas CB
5. Marquise Gunn Auburn / Kevin McLee WVU / Larry Birdine Okla / Rory Johnson Ole Miss LB
6. Ben Patrick TE Delaware (or some other runblocking tight end)
7. Darnell Stapleton Rutgers / Lyle Sendlein Texas / Mark Fenton Colorado C






NOT FIXING OUR D-LINE OR PASSRUSH TILL THE 4TH????:nonono:



I really don't get some people's thinking on football.:nonono:

[Hopper15]

NOT FIXING OUR D-LINE OR PASSRUSH TILL THE 4TH????:nonono:



I really don't get some people's thinking on football.:nonono:

According to some people a good secondary beats a weak pass rush. :nonono:

[TheINch]

According to some people a good secondary beats a weak pass rush. :nonono:


Luckily they aren't in charge of anything.

[49ER-EXTREMIST]

Luckily they aren't in charge of anything.




No $h^t and thank GOD!!!!!!:falldownlaugh:

[49ER-EXTREMIST]

I like your smart thinking TheINch and Hopper15.Rep for you.:aikido:

[Captain Obvious]

willis isn't a good fit for our defense. he would play the same position as lawson.


willis is a middle linebacker to the best of my knowledge, this requires a little explanation??

[WiltonDeportes]

our dline is okay. we lost haralson to injury right when he was coming on. moore and rod green can rush the passer. what we really need is some depth at both positions and a new cordinator willing to blitz more. however, if lawrence timmons is available in the first, it would be awfully tough to pass on him.

[WiltonDeportes]

willis is a middle linebacker to the best of my knowledge, this requires a little explanation??

in the 3-4, willis is limited to outside linebacker because he is skinny and too tall at the point of attack. granted, willis could play opposite manny, but that leaves us with 2 coverage outside linebacker and no pass rushers at OLB.

[Captain Obvious]

in the 3-4, willis is limited to outside linebacker because he is skinny and too tall at the point of attack. granted, willis could play opposite manny, but that leaves us with 2 coverage outside linebacker and no pass rushers at OLB.

wow this is the first i've heard of that one.

i only know what i read here, majestic or someone who really knows their stuff have anything to say about this?

[agent23]

NOT FIXING OUR D-LINE OR PASSRUSH TILL THE 4TH????:nonono:



I really don't get some people's thinking on football.:nonono:

I'm assuming this guy might be assuming that we are going to address our passrushing problems through free agency and we'll add some secondary talent through the draft and draft for depth with our other selections. It's really hard to guess what's going to happen in the draft. We can go secondary heavy in the draft if we pick up a few passrushers through free agency or we can go d-line heavy if we pick up a few pieces for the secondary.
Another thing to consider is if we are going to be sticking with the 4-3 or finally making that shift to the 3-4. ALSO, just keep in mind that we just got rid of our DC (if that's actually a fact) so that might affect who and when will we draft certain players. There are alot of top tier free agent defensive players out there, but realistically, I am expecting us to pick just one of those players and a few 2nd and 3rd tier to supplement what we do in the draft. So, get those dreams out of your head of signing Adalius Thomas, Nate Clements, Ken Hamlin, Asante Samuel, Drew Bennett and Jarred Page. We will get one or maybe 2 of those guys, not all of them. The most underrated factor for this offseason is that the team doesn't blow ALL of it's money and not have any cap flexibility for the foreseable future.
To all you Madden gm's, please be realistic and don't think that the Niners are having a crappy offseason if we don't sign every single big name free agent out there.
Well, other than all of that, hope everyone had a great holiday season. Hope the new year brings us joy and optimism for the upcoming football season and being able to still be watching Niner Football this time next year.

[TheINch]

wow this is the first i've heard of that one.

i only know what i read here, majestic or someone who really knows their stuff have anything to say about this?


Yes, WiltonDeportes is spewing BS. Look at the Chargers ILBs in their 3-4. Willis is 6-1 242 I believe.

[Ace Matherton]

in the 3-4, willis is limited to outside linebacker because he is skinny and too tall at the point of attack. granted, willis could play opposite manny, but that leaves us with 2 coverage outside linebacker and no pass rushers at OLB.
:nolisten: :nolisten: Thats a gigantic crock of cow dung.

[majesstik1]

Willis is listed at 6-2', 232. He looks close to 240 on the eyeball test.

In a 3-4, you want your outside guys near the 260 mark, and your inside guys around 250. Willis fits the bill for an ILB in the 3-4, and being an experience ILB, and judging by his skill set, he's an ILB. The only way he would move outside is to play Sam in a 4-3.

[Ace Matherton]

Willis is listed at 6-2', 232. He looks close to 240 on the eyeball test.

In a 3-4, you want your outside guys near the 260 mark, and your inside guys around 250. Willis fits the bill for an ILB in the 3-4, and being an experience ILB, and judging by his skill set, he's an ILB. The only way he would move outside is to play Sam in a 4-3.
Gigidy Gigidy! Spot on.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to majesstik1 again.

[WiltonDeportes]

Willis is listed at 6-2', 232. He looks close to 240 on the eyeball test.

In a 3-4, you want your outside guys near the 260 mark, and your inside guys around 250. Willis fits the bill for an ILB in the 3-4, and being an experience ILB, and judging by his skill set, he's an ILB. The only way he would move outside is to play Sam in a 4-3.

theres much more to a player than his height/weight. you look at proportions and hip width as other tests. skinny hips means a weaker base and thus less side to side quickness and less potential leverage. willis is a skinny hip guy, but he has shown toughness, leadership, and speed to the ball. he will need protection from blocks to succeed in the nfl, and that leaves him to fit in a 4-3 tampa 2 type system. his only possible position in our 3-4 scheme is weak side lb, where lawson already plays. weak side lbs in our system need to be fast and have good instincts so they can pursue to the ball. pass rushing is a huge plus if they can do it too.

[WiltonDeportes]

I'm assuming this guy might be assuming that we are going to address our passrushing problems through free agency and we'll add some secondary talent through the draft and draft for depth with our other selections. It's really hard to guess what's going to happen in the draft. We can go secondary heavy in the draft if we pick up a few passrushers through free agency or we can go d-line heavy if we pick up a few pieces for the secondary.
Another thing to consider is if we are going to be sticking with the 4-3 or finally making that shift to the 3-4. ALSO, just keep in mind that we just got rid of our DC (if that's actually a fact) so that might affect who and when will we draft certain players. There are alot of top tier free agent defensive players out there, but realistically, I am expecting us to pick just one of those players and a few 2nd and 3rd tier to supplement what we do in the draft. So, get those dreams out of your head of signing Adalius Thomas, Nate Clements, Ken Hamlin, Asante Samuel, Drew Bennett and Jarred Page. We will get one or maybe 2 of those guys, not all of them. The most underrated factor for this offseason is that the team doesn't blow ALL of it's money and not have any cap flexibility for the foreseable future.
To all you Madden gm's, please be realistic and don't think that the Niners are having a crappy offseason if we don't sign every single big name free agent out there.
Well, other than all of that, hope everyone had a great holiday season. Hope the new year brings us joy and optimism for the upcoming football season and being able to still be watching Niner Football this time next year.

actually i just value top DBs more than top front seven guys because the athleticism is harder to find for DBs. so, you usually have to spend higher picks to find elite guys. linebackers and d-linemen are much easier to find in a later round. justin harrell at DE in the 3-4 and desmond bishop at mlb are a couple guys i like as steals in the front 7

[MisfitZ]

Yes, WiltonDeportes is spewing BS. Look at the Chargers ILBs in their 3-4. Willis is 6-1 242 I believe.
Willis is bigger then D smith and J ulbrich

[majesstik1]

theres much more to a player than his height/weight. you look at proportions and hip width as other tests. skinny hips means a weaker base and thus less side to side quickness and less potential leverage. willis is a skinny hip guy, but he has shown toughness, leadership, and speed to the ball. he will need protection from blocks to succeed in the nfl, and that leaves him to fit in a 4-3 tampa 2 type system. his only possible position in our 3-4 scheme is weak side lb, where lawson already plays. weak side lbs in our system need to be fast and have good instincts so they can pursue to the ball. pass rushing is a huge plus if they can do it too.

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/6880/24vy7.jpg

That looks like a sturdy base to me. One that can handle 10 more pounds, without losing his agility. I don't know where you're getting the idea he has skinny hips...have you even watched him play? He doesn't have a DE's base, he's built like just about any other LB.

The guy is a beast, and will thicken up with a pro weight training regiment, and all the time he spent focusing on grades will now be spent in the training facility.

BTW- Lawson has been playing SSL for the last 5-7 weeks.

[Young2Rice]

I just can't support taking a linebacker with the 1st round pick again. We have much major issues on the dline and in our secondary. Heck i'd even take a wr over a lb.

[majesstik1]

I just can't support taking a linebacker with the 1st round pick again. We have much major issues on the dline and in our secondary. Heck i'd even take a wr over a lb.

Well you're in luck!

No one should be 100% behind anything right now. We have some cap room to make a couple of signifigant hires in FA, so depending on what we do there, our draft strategy is wide open at this point.

[TheINch]

I just can't support taking a linebacker with the 1st round pick again. We have much major issues on the dline and in our secondary. Heck i'd even take a wr over a lb.


What do you mean again?? We've gone offense the last 4 friggin' years, particularly the passing game.

[AndyLeeMVP]

I just can't support taking a linebacker with the 1st round pick again. We have much major issues on the dline and in our secondary. Heck i'd even take a wr over a lb.

So which d-lineman would you like to draft? Id be all for D-line except outside of branch, there is no d-lineman worth the 11th pick imo, at least for 3-4, and i have a feeling washington or miami will take him. If we run a 4-3 then its possible we may target a DE like woodley or moses.

[majesstik1]

So which d-lineman would you like to draft? Id be all for D-line except outside of branch, there is no d-lineman worth the 11th pick imo, at least for 3-4, and i have a feeling washington or miami will take him. If we run a 4-3 then its possible we may target a DE like woodley or moses.

Did you watch any of the Sugar Bowl tonight?

Glenn Dorsey is my top choice for 3-4 DE/4-3 DT. He's better than Branch, but is also only a junior.

The top senior (most likely to still be on the board at 11) is Carriker, but that may be too high. We'll see what he does in Indy.

[AndyLeeMVP]

Did you watch any of the Sugar Bowl tonight?

Glenn Dorsey is my top choice for 3-4 DE/4-3 DT. He's better than Branch, but is also only a junior.

The top senior (most likely to still be on the board at 11) is Carriker, but that may be too high. We'll see what he does in Indy.

I actually didnt get to see it. I assumed he was only good for 4-3 DT, but if he would be a good 3-4 DE i would surely love to have him. Ive also heard good things about one of his team-mates- chase pittman. Would he be good for our scheme as well?

[WiltonDeportes]

Willis is bigger then D smith and J ulbrich

Willis:

http://nationalchamps.net/2006/preview/pics/large/mississippi_patrick_willis.jpg
(the picture is too big to post on here)

this shows his weak base. as a 3-4 linebacker, you have got to have one. otherwise, you will be engulfed by linemen. strong bases allow you more explosion and power while getting low to take on a blocker.

[WiltonDeportes]

So which d-lineman would you like to draft? Id be all for D-line except outside of branch, there is no d-lineman worth the 11th pick imo, at least for 3-4, and i have a feeling washington or miami will take him. If we run a 4-3 then its possible we may target a DE like woodley or moses.

nolan has said he will move permanently to the 3-4 if personel allows (meaning injuries could force a return to the 4-3)

[majesstik1]

I actually didnt get to see it. I assumed he was only good for 4-3 DT, but if he would be a good 3-4 DE i would surely love to have him. Ive also heard good things about one of his team-mates- chase pittman. Would he be good for our scheme as well?

LSU runs some 3 down lineman formations, in which Dorsey lines up at RE.

Pittman actually could play LE in a 3-4 if he adds some weight to his frame. He's not fast off the ball, but plays smart, and makes plays.

[WiltonDeportes]

Hey I'm back. I have looked at a lot of tape from the bowls. Here is my newest mock:

1. Lawrence Timmons FSU OLB / Alan Branch Michigan DE / Reggie Nelson Florida S / Darrelle Revis Pitt CB / Robert Meachem Tennessee WR / Laron Landry LSU S
2. Tarell Brown Texas / Jonathon Wade Tennessee CB
3. Mike Otto Purdue OT
3. Desmond Bishop Cal / Jon Beason Miami / Quinton Culberson Miss St. MLB
4. Justin Harrell / Turk McBride DE Tennessee
4. Josh Gattis Wake Forest S
4. Mike Walker UCF / Chris Davis FSU / Brandon Myles WVU / Svelle Newton South Carolina WR
5. Tyrone Moss Miami / Ronnie McGill North Carolina / Chris Henry Arizona RB
5. Jarvis Jackson Georgia / Larry Birdine Oklahoma / Rory Johnson Ole Miss LB
6. Ben Patrick TE Delaware (or some other runblocking tight end)
7. Mark Fenton Colorado / Darnell Stapleton Rutgers / Lyle Sendlein Texas C

The players are in order of preference. I think Alan Branch is not our biggest need, but he is a a great value pick, and I would take him over anyone in the draft for our team. I put Timmons over Branch because he will definitely be there when we pick. So, what do you think?

[WiltonDeportes]

so any thoughts...

[nolanlover]

so any thoughts...
why not okoye? and why timmons?

[Nevyn]

DE- We are set at the nose with Fields and Sopo holding it down.

o rly?

Fields has been an improver and was ok at 4-3 DT, but looked to me like hed get pushed all over the field at Nose. Isaac doesn't have the discipline for NT (most likely) and is on his last chance. We are set?

[WiltonDeportes]

why not okoye? and why timmons?

Okoye is not a 3-4 NT. Timmons would be great for our passrush and overall linebacker speed. Timmons is a great playmaker. He led FSU this year with 18 tfl's and was good in passrush when asked. He could play opposite Lawson for years.

o rly?

Fields has been an improver and was ok at 4-3 DT, but looked to me like hed get pushed all over the field at Nose. Isaac doesn't have the discipline for NT (most likely) and is on his last chance. We are set?

Fields got the same amount of attention by the end of the year in our 4-3 alignment. And, he still played over the center. He showed a lot of strength and hustle for a guy his size, and he will only get better. Sopo shows flashes. I think he is a solid backup.

edit: If we did try to draft a 3-4 NT, i'd look at Stanley Doughty, Tank Tyler, Paul Soliai, possibly Glenn Dorsey, and a deep sleeper: Utah's Kelly Talavou.