Why troy smith will move up to number 1

[dhimiter]

Troy Smith will be the first pick of the Oakland Raiders.

Now listen I am not saying I think he diserves to be I am not saying he will be great I am predicting what will happen.

Ohio State will beat Florida, Troy Smith will dominate similar to a Vince Young who was top 30 same time last year. Al Davis likes players not what they can really do. He Looks and says I like this kid he is fast. Smith will move up so drastically after a steller performance against florida.

I just want to call it now so no one else can take credit for it..

Quinn had such a sub par season and lets say they lose in the Bowl game his stock will plummit. Maybe the lions take Quinn but you never know what will happen then because like Rodgers he may fall to 23 or so.

[majesstik1]

Won't happen

[Nin£R_4_LifE]

maybe, i think the raiders best optionm is to draft joe thomas

[Triple Threat]

That's a no go. He will be a 20-2nd round pick.

I really think that Oakland takes Calvin Johnson or maybe Joe Thomas(but I doubt it).

[Underrated49ers]

Al Davis loves heisman winners. That being said I still think they will take Quinn, but I wouldnt put it past them to draft Smith.

[49er Faithful]

Troy Smith will be the first pick of the Oakland Raiders.

Now listen I am not saying I think he diserves to be I am not saying he will be great I am predicting what will happen.

Ohio State will beat Florida, Troy Smith will dominate similar to a Vince Young who was top 30 same time last year. Al Davis likes players not what they can really do. He Looks and says I like this kid he is fast. Smith will move up so drastically after a steller performance against florida.

I just want to call it now so no one else can take credit for it..

Quinn had such a sub par season and lets say they lose in the Bowl game his stock will plummit. Maybe the lions take Quinn but you never know what will happen then because like Rodgers he may fall to 23 or so.

Dem Florida boys will have something to say about all that
......write it down
:tung:

[Bryon]

yep, if Tim Tebow gets on the field enough, the Gators will win......


Tebow is a bad@ss

[alohabound]

Are you kidding? Are you still drunk from New Years?

[Showme9er]

I have really been impressed with Smith. Too much is made of his lack of size. I think he will do well in the NFL. I like how accurate he throws the ball. I'm hoping he looks good in the bowl game so that he goes in the top ten before we pick. We need a defensive stud.

[dhimiter]

I'm hoping he looks good in the bowl game so that he goes in the top ten before we pick. We need a defensive stud.
Thats what I'm saying I wanna see as many qb, rb, and o-line so we can choice from the best defense and recievers available.

[funky-monk]

you obviously dont know the difference between a good college player and good pro prospect.
funny, i remember a lot of that same bullcrap being spewed about Vince Young last year. Personally, I think Quinn is extremely overhyped, and Smith is a better prospect. If Randy Moss goes, they may go WR anyhow. They need to trade that pick off in a bad way.

[dhimiter]

you obviously dont know the difference between a good college player and good pro prospect.

If you read what I wrote I did not say I think anything about how he plays. I said what Oakland will do from what will happen in the game against florida. Just as Vince Young stock skyrocketed when he had his great game, and the way he has a good season. Al Davis wants the player he wants and if troy smith does as well as he has been he will be there pick. I am telling you that. Not how well he will do.

[NinerCubBoiler]

funny, i remember a lot of that same bullcrap being spewed about Vince Young last year. Personally, I think Quinn is extremely overhyped, and Smith is a better prospect. If Randy Moss goes, they may go WR anyhow. They need to trade that pick off in a bad way.

so did we in 04... but like then I see this draft not really having a clear cut number one, thus nobody willing to trade up for it...

[funky-monk]

so did we in 04... but like then I see this draft not really having a clear cut number one, thus nobody willing to trade up for it...
what are you talking about? Quinn is probably the most talked about overhyped NFL QB prospect since Eli. There will be many teams that would take that jump up to #1. Minn, Oak, Cleve, Det, Carolina, NYJ, Buff, TB, KC, Baltimore and Jax could all go for a franchise QB if Quinn is still all the hype going into the draft. Theres a team in there that will bite.

[funky-monk]

Vince Young was criticized because of his passing and as we see in the NFL he is not passing well as expected. plus Young is miles ahead of Smith in terms of a runner. plus Young is 6'5 and Smith is 5'11 so they comparisan is way off. nice try but the comparisan is way off.
whatever goob. You said that Smith wasnt much of a NFL prospect, and last year everyone was saying the same thing about Young. I'm not drawing physical characteristics between the 2, I'm stating that Smith will be a fine NFL QB, and that your original statement is extremely premature.

[dhimiter]

not true at all. the original poster is talking about Smith being the top overall pick. now thats just absurd. i just want to point out Young isn't as good as the hype. he is not passing well at all and if teams wanted to make an effort to stop his running then he would be a very ineffective QB. either way thats off topic. the comparisan of Young to Smith isn't close and really shouldn't be made, they aren't close in play style, body build, or skills so it doesn't make much sense.

Understand I am telling you that after a steller game against Florida, I am PREDICTING that his stock will move up. I agree totally that he is not as good a prospect as Young but that isn't the comparison, this draft class is also much much weaker than last year. 2nd round picks last year could be top 10 picks this year. with all those factors I am predicting if he has a great game he can be the number one pick. I am not a fortune teller but I got a gut feeling. but i am backing it up with why it will happen.

[Rockyn]

not true at all. the original poster is talking about Smith being the top overall pick. now thats just absurd. i just want to point out Young isn't as good as the hype. he is not passing well at all and if teams wanted to make an effort to stop his running then he would be a very ineffective QB. either way thats off topic. the comparisan of Young to Smith isn't close and really shouldn't be made, they aren't close in play style, body build, or skills so it doesn't make much sense.

Agreed on the Young point. I don't think Young is ever going to pan out as a genuine, effective throwing QB. Look at Vick. He can run, we all know that, but I don’t think you could put him in the top 25 QBs in the league in terms of passing. He’s mediocre. I would rather have Alex throwing downfield than Vick or Young. Outside of the pocket, run for the hills. But if you contain him and keep him pressured, game over. And all of Vick’s amazing running ability has the Falcons at 7-9, and going backward without a coach (he also didn’t really stand up for Mora and he shot his own fans a dirty bird of his own).

But back to the topic at hand, Vince Young's stock was much higher than Smith's pre-national title game. The Rose Bowl performance shot him through to the top. Smith is 2nd round material. It's a weak QB draft. I'm not even in the Brady Quinn koolaid. Maybe it's just me. :wacko:

[Ace Matherton]

whatever goob. You said that Smith wasnt much of a NFL prospect, and last year everyone was saying the same thing about Young. I'm not drawing physical characteristics between the 2, I'm stating that Smith will be a fine NFL QB, and that your original statement is extremely premature.
Losing battle funky, any comparison or lack there of you make about Smith will come with stong disagreement from Knobs. Its just a fact of life. I agree with you though its much too early to tell about Smith, or Young for that matter.

[BladeX]

Chance of that happening = .0000000000001% and only that much because its the dumb azz Raiders and Al Davis.

[FREEagent]

with al davis who knows what they will do:thud:

[NinerRider]

maybe, i think the raiders best optionm is to draft joe thomas

They should select Joe Thomas, but won't because of how Gallery has turned out.

[BladeX]

Raiders will trade down or take Brady Quinn, anything else is just idiotic.

[Texicali blue]

well anytime you make a terrible comparisan like Smith and Young i am going to disagree with you, now thats a fact of life.


There are a lot of similiarities between the two.

And you're hardly one to talk with any authority mr. Vince Young will never make it in the NFL, Michigan is the 2nd best team no doubt, etc.

The similarities are that they are both great leaders, they got better every year they played and made the players around them better. And just like Vince, his stock has risen all season.

Yes, there is one difference, their size. "limited mobility?" I guess by your book Peyton Manning and Dan Marino could never be good QBs because of their limited mobility.

And I have to laugh at this gem,

and if teams wanted to make an effort to stop his running then he would be a very ineffective QB.

Do you really think teams gameplanned for Vince this year by saying "don't let him beat you with the pass?"

They all gamplanned for his running, and he won 8 games with a 50% completion percentage. You really think Norm Chow won't be able to help him improve on that?

But Smith won't be the top pick in the draft, on that, we agree.

What I hear is the Raiders want to trade down and go after JaMarcus Russell, should he enter the draft, of course there are other teams who would want Russell, too.

[Pound th' Rock]

Vince Young >>>>>>> Troy Smith

[r0b81]

Won't happen. After his performance last year VY didn't even go #1 overall.

[Texicali blue]

now thats way off-topic but comparing Smith to Young is funny. honestly, are you guys doing that because they are black QB's??? yes they are leaders, i can give you that. but as prospects in terms of size and playing style they aren't near the same. Smith is much more of a pocket QB to make reads and doesn't depend on his legs. Young on the other hand is a 1 read or run type of QB. Youngs running ability far surpasses Smith and they aren't comparable. then if you talk about body-build, Young probably has Smith by 5-6 inches. Young has a much better chance to succeed as a passer in the NFL. not that Smith can't do it but being so short he is going to have trouble seeing over tall NFL o-lineman.

basically Smith isn't near the prospect that Young is and doesn't have a chance IMO to be a top prospect let alone #1 pick in the draft.


1.)Young isn't just all hype, but he is far from being considered for any all-pro nomination. He is just a rookie and played like one statistically, but lucky for him he doesn't get hung up on statistics.

He overcame everything all the post-draft pre-season naysaysers threw out there. He learned the offense early, became the starter and succeeded.

2.)There are many similiarities between Smith and Young as I stated before. To simply dismiss them all based on ONE STATISTIC(their height) is the ultimate in bias. To accuse others who mention multiple similiarities of "only thinking that way because they're both black" is purely ignorant.

3.)We agree that he should not be the #1 pick.

[SB49er4life]

Troy Smith will be the first pick of the Oakland Raiders.

Now listen I am not saying I think he diserves to be I am not saying he will be great I am predicting what will happen.

Ohio State will beat Florida, Troy Smith will dominate similar to a Vince Young who was top 30 same time last year. Al Davis likes players not what they can really do. He Looks and says I like this kid he is fast. Smith will move up so drastically after a steller performance against florida.

I just want to call it now so no one else can take credit for it..

Quinn had such a sub par season and lets say they lose in the Bowl game his stock will plummit. Maybe the lions take Quinn but you never know what will happen then because like Rodgers he may fall to 23 or so.

I like Troy Smith and think he can be a dope QB in the NFL, but there is no way he goes #1 overall. Don't count on what VY did last year to happen again; there is a reason why nobody has ever gone THAT hard in a national championship game befoe.

But I do agree that Quinn is overrated, and FAR from the BPA available in the draft. FAR.

[8 2 80 All Day]

yep, if Tim Tebow gets on the field enough, the Gators will win......


Tebow is a bad@ss
ill take my chances with chris leak, maybe tebow will come in on a critical 3rd and short, but that is all i expect from him.

[alohabound]

But back to the topic at hand, Vince Young's stock was much higher than Smith's pre-national title game. The Rose Bowl performance shot him through to the top. Smith is 2nd round material. It's a weak QB draft. I'm not even in the Brady Quinn koolaid. Maybe it's just me. :wacko:


I only disagree with you in that I don't think it's a weak QB draft, although we will have to wait and see which underclassmen declare.

It is absolutely CRAZY to predict that T.Smith will be the top pick taken. CRAZY. Everybody is expecting Ohio State to roll over Florida, and expecting T.Smith to play an outstanding game, so there wouldn't be any surprises to bring him up the ladder from a 2nd round draft pick to #1 overall. With Vince Young, the majority thought USC was on its way to a 3rd straight national championship, so when Vince Young played an outstanding game and pulled off the upset, he instantly shot ahead to be the first QB taken. And even that wasn't a lock until it happened. I agree that comparisons with Vince Young and Troy Smith are ridiculous. Even Colt Brennan, you know the guy who set the single season record for passing TDs, has more rushing yards than Troy Smith. That's a guy that's inarguably a pass first QB. As has already been stated, Troy Smith is also a pass first QB, a guy who'll go to his second and third read on a consistent basis but run when the opportunity presents itself. He plays more like Jeff Garcia than Vince Young.

[49er Faithful]

Smith will fall far when Florida gets in his azz

:crutch:

[SB49er4life]

not true at all. i just want to point out Young isn't as good as the hype. he is not passing well at all and if teams wanted to make an effort to stop his running then he would be a very ineffective QB. .

Vince Young has had as good of a season as ANY rookie QB has had in a very, very long time. Your just looking at the stats and twisting the facts around so that passing yards and passer rating are the only things that mattered. You fail to include that:

1) His TD's came in VERY crucial moments and in flurries.

2) He puts points on the board, period. I'll take a guy whose gonna get me paydirt, not the guy whose gonna get 250 yds, 0 TD, 1-2 INT's

3) His WR core is mediocre at best, and even that's being generous. Drew Bennett and David Givens are solid, not WR's that are gonna make gamebreaking plays and pad the QB's stats.

4) Not to mention his offensive line should take HIM out to dinner for how much he's masked their play.

5) W's speak a lot louder than stats. The Titans would have realistically won just 1 game this season without him, and that would have been the Jacksonville game. Instead he has them at 8-8, on the brink of the playoffs, and with a good off-season, be in position to make a run at winning the AFC South next year.

6) When he rushes for 40+ yards in 5 of his first 7 starts, I don't think D-coordinators around the league are stupid enough to NOT plan on keepin an eye on him running the ball.

[majesstik1]

3) His WR core is mediocre at best, and even that's being generous. Drew Bennett and David Givens are solid, not WR's that are gonna make gamebreaking plays and pad the QB's stats.

5) W's speak a lot louder than stats.

3) Givens was inactive for 5 out of the first 10 games, then went on IR. He was a non-factor in VY's season. I think VY only played with him in weeks 7 and 10 (when he tore his ACL).

5) True story. I'll take W's over stats every week.

[verbicide]

I just want to call it now so no one else can take credit for it..

Well I'm calling the opposite then. He'll have to play a hell of a game to even go in the first round.

He will not be the number one overall pick.

[Ace Matherton]

Fanball.com
The Rise of Troy
Troy Smith has learned that the arm is mightier than the leg.
By Jon Lopuch
Associate Editor

January 4, 2007 12:00 PM ET

Seasons don't get much better than the one Troy Smith put together in 2006. The senior led the Buckeyes to an undefeated year, saw his draft stock skyrocket, and picked up the Heisman Trophy. He also continued to dominate in big games, increasing his record to 3-0 against arch rival Michigan with a 316-yard, four-touchdown performance in November. Smith will get a chance to add a National Championship to his resume on Monday when the Buckeyes face Florida, and doing so would greatly increase his chances of being a first-round pick in April.

Smith in 2006
Comp Att Yards TD INT
199 297 2,507 30 5


How can the Heisman winner and quarterback of the potential National Champions not be a first-round pick, you ask? Well, sometimes scouts overanalyze things. Smith stands 6-1, and while he's tall enough to get on all the rides at any amusement park, his height is considered merely adequate by NFL standards. Since he'll be throwing behind a wall of men who stand four-to-six inches taller than him, there is concern he'll struggle to see the entire field and find the proper throwing lanes. However, Saints quarterback Drew Brees stands only 6-0 and he's made a pretty good career for himself. Smith also has some character concerns after being suspended for the 2004 Alamo Bowl and 2005 season opener because of an arrest that resulted in a misdemeanor disorderly conduct. Of course, that may move him up the Bengals draft board.

Smith has rapidly improved as a passer during his college career and seems to be following a similar developmental path as Vince Young. Both began their careers as running quarterbacks, but as the years moved on they drastically improved their passing to the point that by their senior season they were primarily pocket passers. Obviously Smith hasn't lost any of his speed and he still uses his wheels very effectively when flushed from the pocket or when a designed run is called. Troy began the season as a likely mid-round pick, but after displaying poise and skills in the pocket all year, he is now considered to be a late-first-round selection.

[ManCans]

Raiders will take JaMarcus Russell with their first pick.

[SB49er4life]

Raiders will take JaMarcus Russell with their first pick.

I've liked JaMarcus Russell since he first stepped on the scene as a true freshman. The kids got a heater for an arm.

[dhimiter]

Understand this, Oakland, Cleveland, Detroit, Tampa Bay, Minnesota, Houston, Miami, Buffalo, Carolina, & even Jacksonville, desperately need a Reliable QB. Smith is considered by many the best player in College Football this year. It only takes one team you Love him, and there is a chance. He has Potential, he has skills and he is a proven Winner and Leader, does Brees have the Measurables, does Brady have all the measurables, if he shows up Monday and Knocks it out the box with an outstanding performance, his stock will sky rocket and the potential of a #1 pick becomes a strong possiblity and It will not be Quinn at the top.

Russel with his play last night makes a good case for a top spot as well, he might be great.

[SB49er4life]

Understand this, Oakland, Cleveland, Detroit, Tampa Bay, Minnesota, Houston, Miami, Buffalo, Carolina, & even Jacksonville, desperately need a Reliable QB. Smith is considered by many the best player in College Football this year. It only takes one team you Love him, and there is a chance. He has Potential, he has skills and he is a proven Winner and Leader, does Brees have the Measurables, does Brady have all the measurables, if he shows up Monday and Knocks it out the box with an outstanding performance, his stock will sky rocket and the potential of a #1 pick becomes a strong possiblity and It will not be Quinn at the top.

Russel with his play last night makes a good case for a top spot as well, he might be great.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again... Troy Smith is good, and I can see him being a very good NFL QB. But he will NOT go #1 over-all.

Reason ? Why take a player with the first pick when you can get him in the next round ?

[DeepCross]

I've liked JaMarcus Russell since he first stepped on the scene as a true freshman. The kids got a heater for an arm.

I thought he made some impressive reads under pressure too (I have to admit I never watched him play before the sugar bowl). Even a few of his incompletions impressed me. I'm on the bandwagon.

[majesstik1]

Raiders will take JaMarcus Russell with their first pick.

He looks like a guy Al Davis would covet.

If Art Shell is still there next year, hopefully he can talk Davis into going OL. I'm not sure Joe Thomas is worth the #1 pick, but I don't think the Raiders will be attracting too many free agents this year, and may need to load up with rookies now, and hope for future benifits.

I could see Big Al trying to make a run at Leftwich too.

[majesstik1]

I've liked JaMarcus Russell since he first stepped on the scene as a true freshman. The kids got a heater for an arm.

He makes some very questionable decisions at times. His attributes are great, and if he goes to a team with a good QB coach or mentor, it shouldn't take long for him to get his decision making straightened out.

[the ryan]

Russell will go #1, but Troy Smith is easily the 2nd or 3rd best player (him or Peterson) in the draft. He just doesn't have the height that everyone wants, but here's a good quote from some guy you might've heard of on Jeff Garcia, which pertains to this:

"Somebody with every organization would always ding him because they'd get caught up in the measurables. What Jeff has is the instincts that are outstanding in all great athletes. He has natural instincts, and I was always looking for those. Some people in coaching don't realize they have to be there for a quarterback to be great. They look at size and strength, and instincts should be No. 1."

That quote was by Bill Walsh in the Inquirer this week, and Troy Smith has the exact same intensity and ability to come up big when the stakes are biggest. The kid can flat out play football, and that's really all that matters.

[UCBLaxPlayer]

yep, if Tim Tebow gets on the field enough, the Gators will win......


Tebow is a bad@ss
heck yeah. cant wait til chris leak goes. the guy is just so subpar it's ridiculous. i mena he's good, but TOTALLY over hyped

[UCBLaxPlayer]

vince young > troy smith
jemarcus russell > brady quinn

[dhimiter]

I must say this I also never saw Russel till the Sugar Bowl. This kid has skills and size and is smart. It hurts my prediction and he may be the first pick. I still think Smith will have a great game, and be in the running.

Quinn is gonna be number 3!


Just some stats on Smith.

Passer Rating 167.9 Yards 2,507 TD 30 INT 5 Comp%67
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=133648

And he is a winner!

This wasn't about how good he was just that he would be the 1st pick but I have been looking and can't help but Love how this guy plays and think he may be great. At least a part time pro bowler and leader.

[Texicali blue]

Russell will go #1, but Troy Smith is easily the 2nd or 3rd best player (him or Peterson) in the draft. He just doesn't have the height that everyone wants, but here's a good quote from some guy you might've heard of on Jeff Garcia, which pertains to this:

"Somebody with every organization would always ding him because they'd get caught up in the measurables. What Jeff has is the instincts that are outstanding in all great athletes. He has natural instincts, and I was always looking for those. Some people in coaching don't realize they have to be there for a quarterback to be great. They look at size and strength, and instincts should be No. 1."

That quote was by Bill Walsh in the Inquirer this week, and Troy Smith has the exact same intensity and ability to come up big when the stakes are biggest. The kid can flat out play football, and that's really all that matters.


Good job quoting the Genius.

He's right, too.

And does anyone else get an eerie feeling that JaMarcus Russell is going to spend the next 100+ days being compared to Byron Leftwitch by NFL teams in an attempt to play down his upside?

[SB49er4life]

Good job quoting the Genius.

He's right, too.

And does anyone else get an eerie feeling that JaMarcus Russell is going to spend the next 100+ days being compared to Byron Leftwitch by NFL teams in an attempt to play down his upside?

I hope he's not. Byron Leftwich is slightly more mobile than Drew Bledsoe.

[Ace Matherton]

It will be a QB that the Raiders draft because the coach will want a player to build the offense around similiar to what Nolan did
Then why did they not draft one of the two premier QB's they had a chance at last year?

[SB49er4life]

Then why did they not draft one of the two premier QB's they had a chance at last year?

If somebody runs a 4.28 this year, Al Davis WILL draft him. Regardless of talent.

[majesstik1]

It will be a QB that the Raiders draft because the coach will want a player to build the offense around similiar to what Nolan did

Just for fun, I'll run with this idea, and apply our year one blueprint to OAK:

#1 Pick = Jamarcus Russell

Then, they go out and trade for the best LT available (since I don't beleive any FAs would be willing to sign with them, regardless of paycheck) = William Thoams

Then, they go get an experienced DL = Vonnie Holliday

The rest of their draft (based on our blueprint):

2nd round = OL Justin Blalock
3rd round = RB Tony Hunt
4th round = OL Brandon Frye
5th round = DT Joe Anoai
5th round = WR Jordan Kent
6th round = CB Tony Franklin
7th round = OT Jacob Bender
7th round = TE Cody Boyd

Food for thought...FWIW.

[Ace Matherton]

If somebody runs a 4.28 this year, Al Davis WILL draft him. Regardless of talent.
God I hope its a punter.

[alohabound]

Troy Smith will be the first pick of the Oakland Raiders.

Now listen I am not saying I think he diserves to be I am not saying he will be great I am predicting what will happen.

Ohio State will beat Florida, Troy Smith will dominate similar to a Vince Young who was top 30 same time last year. Al Davis likes players not what they can really do. He Looks and says I like this kid he is fast. Smith will move up so drastically after a steller performance against florida.

I just want to call it now so no one else can take credit for it..

Quinn had such a sub par season and lets say they lose in the Bowl game his stock will plummit. Maybe the lions take Quinn but you never know what will happen then because like Rodgers he may fall to 23 or so.


You might want to rethink that prediction.

[majesstik1]

dhimiter ---> :backsout:

:baghead:

[MisfitZ]

You might want to rethink that prediction.
last night he looked like he should go undrafted

[majesstik1]

last night he looked like he should go undrafted

No pocket presence at all.

He should go play in the Senior Bowl to help his stock. He needs to prove he can play in a pro style offense. Last night he took a big hit.

[49er Faithful]

Troy Smith will be the first pick of the Oakland Raiders.

Now listen I am not saying I think he diserves to be I am not saying he will be great I am predicting what will happen.

Ohio State will beat Florida, Troy Smith will dominate similar to a Vince Young who was top 30 same time last year. Al Davis likes players not what they can really do. He Looks and says I like this kid he is fast. Smith will move up so drastically after a steller performance against florida.

I just want to call it now so no one else can take credit for it..

Quinn had such a sub par season and lets say they lose in the Bowl game his stock will plummit. Maybe the lions take Quinn but you never know what will happen then because like Rodgers he may fall to 23 or so.

i dont know what took a bigger hit, Smith's draft status or your REP status
:ohmy:

[tumbleweed]

Sure missed that prediction! Smith played about as bad a game as I've seen a QB play this year. He will probably go in day two!

[alohabound]

It is absolutely CRAZY to predict that T.Smith will be the top pick taken. CRAZY. Everybody is expecting Ohio State to roll over Florida, and expecting T.Smith to play an outstanding game, so there wouldn't be any surprises to bring him up the ladder from a 2nd round draft pick to #1 overall. With Vince Young, the majority thought USC was on its way to a 3rd straight national championship, so when Vince Young played an outstanding game and pulled off the upset, he instantly shot ahead to be the first QB taken. And even that wasn't a lock until it happened.


The thing dhimiter never addressed was that a great performance by Troy Smith would only raise his stock marginally since the Buckeyes were heavy favorites coming in, and Troy Smith's big game performance was not in doubt. However, a poor performance could diminish his draft status drastically, because it would bring doubt into an area where there was none. The other thing dhimiter didn't realize is that we weren't just saying it would be a bad move to take him with the top pick; we were saying that it was a bad move to predict he would be taken with the top pick.

Now where is that "rubbing it in" smiley face?

[big dog0507]

once he got the ball he was hit the O-line didnt show up at all im getting mad at ppl blaming the loss on Smith where he had no time to do anything and the playcalling was the worst playcalling this yr from OSU

[majesstik1]

once he got the ball he was hit the O-line didnt show up at all im getting mad at ppl blaming the loss on Smith where he had no time to do anything and the playcalling was the worst playcalling this yr from OSU

I don't think we're blaming the loss on Smith (or at least I'm not). He was just exposed for the player he is last night. He's not in the same class as Vince Young, that everyone kept trying to put him in.

Florida showed OSU that SEC speed on defense, and OSU had no counter for it.