SC City Hall Mtg this TUESDAY - 49er Stadium

[Niner Jan]

Attention: All 49ers Fans

There is going to be a Santa Clara City Council Meeting on TUESDAY, January 9th at 7:00 pm in the Santa Clara City Hall. I am not sure where the 49er Stadium issue will be on the agenda, so we may have to be patient.

The president of the 49ers Booster Club was called up last night by the 49ers and informed about the stadium issue coming up this Tuesday evening and needing the support of our club members and other Faithful 49er Fans.

The 49ers asked if some of us could attend the Council meeting. As a 49ers MB steady poster, I thought it would be great if some of you would like to come the City Council meeting on the 9th to show your support for the 49ers stadium in Santa Clara. The town (and press) need to know that we support the SF 49ers in their effort to speed up the procedure to implement the building of a new stadium in a more accessible area for our fans.

The Booster Club is having a few signs printed up that say: SANTA CLARA CHAPTER OF THE 49ERS BOOSTER CLUB SUPPORTS THE NEW STADIUM IN SANTA CLARA, CALIFORNIA. This is your chance to show your support and to stymie the SF politiicans in their effort to curtail building our new stadium outside of the city of San Francisco.

Please dress in your 49er finery to underline your support at the meeting. See you there!

Santa Clara City Hall
1500 Warburton Ave. *********
Santa Clara , Calif. 95050

Enclosed is a map showing the location of the Santa Clara City Council Meeting on January 9th at 7 pm at 1500 Warburton Ave in Santa Clara. Hope to see you there.

To view your map, click on this link or cut and paste this link into your browser's location bar.

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Niner Jan

The final 49ers Booster Club dinner will be held the FOLLOWING Tuesday instead of on January 9th.

[Tovey21]

Sounds like a waste of time.

[The Jerm!]

Sounds like a waste of time.

Sounds like you don't know much about the situation. :cool:

[Tovey21]

Going to support something that likely never happen is a waste of time.

[sandiegojoe]

Sounds like a waste of time.

then don't go, I'm sure they don't want a bunch of whiners.

[Tovey21]

then don't go, I'm sure they don't want a bunch of whiners.

But they want a bunch of cheerleaders, do you have any pom poms?

What ever that is going to be worked is whats going to be worked out, they don't need any of us.

[San_Fran_49ers]

Maybe someone could report if anything worth while is said? I'm here in PA and I probably won't make it! lol

[The Jerm!]

Going to support something that likely never happen is a waste of time.

Can you see into the future? It's showing your Faith and your behind the team. Obviously you didn't know that. A bunch of us wish we could go and support OUR team in making it known we want the new stadium in Santa Clara.

[sandiegojoe]

What ever that is going to be worked is whats going to be worked out, they don't need any of us.

Lol, you don't understand much about city council meetings do you? Politicans are egomaniacs on all levels of government. If they see a bunch of people that want something they're considering, it goes a long way, because someday those same people may vote for their re-election. Beyond that, they HATE criticism. If there's a couple guys on the council who don't want the niners there, they're gonna hear it.

[Tovey21]

Can you see into the future? It's showing your Faith and your behind the team. Obviously you didn't know that. A bunch of us wish we could go and support OUR team in making it known we want the new stadium in Santa Clara.


Not everyone

[The Jerm!]

Not everyone

Alot of people on this board do. You obviously don't because your probably a SF native, are you not?

[Tovey21]

Alot of people on this board do. You obviously don't because your probably a SF native, are you not?

San Jose here.

[The Jerm!]

San Jose here.

Why do you not want the stadium in Santa Clara?

[markiemarko]

Why do you not want the stadium in Santa Clara?
probably like alot of other people, the history of the franchise being in the city since the start

[The Jerm!]

probably like alot of other people, the history of the franchise being in the city since the start

Yeah, but the chance to finally get a state of the art STADIUM that brings us ALOT more new options than it would in SF. Better ways to get out of the stadium, Overall gamedays and tailgate experinces and more.

[markiemarko]

Yeah, but the chance to finally get a state of the art STADIUM that brings us ALOT more new options than it would in SF. Better ways to get out of the stadium, Overall gamedays and tailgate experinces and more.
yup, thats why im for the move to SC, other than it being 20 miutes away from where I live...dont get me wrong, ill be sad for the team to leave SF, but the team barely played in the city of SF anyways...Monster Park was the outskirts of the city and not inside of the city of SF...kinda like the SF airport but closer.

[The Jerm!]

yup, thats why im for the move to SC, other than it being 20 miutes away from where I live...dont get me wrong, ill be sad for the team to leave SF, but the team barely played in the city of SF anyways...Monster Park was the outskirts of the city and not inside of the city of SF...kinda like the SF airport but closer.

There is just no place where it could be placed at. The Yorks didn't spend 1 hour looking at a place and then say NOPE MOVING ON! They spend days looking through each place and found out the best place would be Santa Clara. I can't wait till we do move to Santa Clara and the very first game of the season with the new stadium.....It'll be packed and pumped! I'ma be there for sure!

[Tovey21]

probably like alot of other people, the history of the franchise being in the city since the start

Took the words right out of my mouth, especially considering tradition means a lot to me.

Then if we move to Santa Clara York may change our name and it call us the Santa Clara 49ers. That scares the hell out of me.

[markiemarko]

Took the words right out of my mouth, especially considering tradition means a lot to me.
I hear ya...not only do the 49er have 5 Super Bowl trophys and many Hall of Famers, but the team represents one of the most beautiful cities in the world and we are all part of it living in Northern California....

[AlexSmith5rings]

Attention: All 49ers Fans


The president of the 49ers Booster Club was called up last night by the 49ers and informed about the stadium issue coming up this Tuesday evening and needing the support of our club members and other Faithful 49er Fans.

The 49ers asked if some of us could attend the Council meeting. As a 49ers MB steady poster, I thought it would be great if some of you would like to come the City Council meeting on the 9th to show your support for the 49ers stadium in Santa Clara. The town (and press) need to know that we support the SF 49ers in their effort to speed up the procedure to implement the building of a new stadium in a more accessible area for our fans.

The Booster Club is having a few signs printed up that say: SANTA CLARA CHAPTER OF THE 49ERS BOOSTER CLUB SUPPORTS THE NEW STADIUM IN SANTA CLARA, CALIFORNIA. This is your chance to show your support and to stymie the SF politiicans in their effort to curtail building our new stadium outside of the city of San Francisco.

Please dress in your 49er finery to underline your support at the meeting. See you there!


The final 49ers Booster Club dinner will be held the FOLLOWING Tuesday instead of on January 9th.
:falldownlaugh: :falldownlaugh:

[sandiegojoe]

why is that funny? Pretty smart move IMO.

[krowleey]

yup, thats why im for the move to SC, other than it being 20 miutes away from where I live...dont get me wrong, ill be sad for the team to leave SF, but the team barely played in the city of SF anyways...Monster Park was the outskirts of the city and not inside of the city of SF...kinda like the SF airport but closer.


most NFL teams do not play in the actual city of thier name anyways. detroit plays in pontiac, az plays in glendale, jets and giants play outside NY city blah blah i would guess 80% teams play in a sister city on the outskirts

[Niner Jan]

I just finished typing a lengthy reply but by the time I hit the Submit key, my sign-in had expired, so I lost the whole post! That burns me up! Why does the timeout expire so quickly? I tried to recover the page by using the back arrow, but this time, it didn't work.

Now I've used up all my fire and brimstone!

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Anyway, this is an important meeting and it is now time to balance out all the publicity by hearing from the fans who WANT the stadium in Santa Clara to get built there. It will be an enhanced experience for the FANS.

People opposed are not using logical thinking. Why would they want to continue getting stuck for hours in traffic jams into the park with some areas not even paved? There is no threat to losing the SF logo; that's just political talk to try to put a damper on the plans for the new park. The SF logo belongs to the franchise and not to the City of SF, so the City of SF has to night to dictate where the team HAS TO PLAY.

The mayor and his cronies just don't want to leave office with the "stigma" of losing the team in their jurisdiction. The team's identity will remain the same--just the stadium's location will change in an area where 90% of the season ticket holders reside.

No way is Dr. York wanting to change the name of the team--that would only INCREASE his expenses, having to change the name on the building and all logos of the 49ers. Those people talking like that just love to throw eggs at the owners, continuing to hate them, despite the illogic behind their statements.

I hope to see a lot of you at the Santa Clara City Council meeting on Tuesday. Bring your own signs in support of the team, if you wish. I'll probably get one from the Booster Club president to hold to voice my support.

Niner Jan :go: :yahoo: :wub:

[Fromthe3rdRow]

Took the words right out of my mouth, especially considering tradition means a lot to me.

Then if we move to Santa Clara York may change our name and it call us the Santa Clara 49ers. That scares the hell out of me.
It would only scare you if you were ignorant of the facts.

The fact is the Niners have already specifically addressed this issue. There are no plans to change the team name. Either you were not aware of this fact, or you are simply trying to scare others who were ignorant of it as well.

And since the city of San Francisco has refused to place any value on "tradition" during the past decade of failed negotiations for a new stadium - I ask - Why should the team place value on something the city does not?

I support a building a new stadium where the team head quarters are located and blowing razzberries at the city with such a high value on "tradition".

Unless of course, you work for the Lennar Corp - which has a huge interest in SF politics. If that be the case - simply spell it out and we'll all be glad to listen to your case.

[Fromthe3rdRow]

Niners are not leaving so why reply?You are right. The Niners are not going anywhere.

The topic we need to focus on is where will the new stadium for Niners be located? The team has already said their first choice is Santa Clara. San Francisco WAS first - but they blew their chance. The Niners said they are still willing to listen to SF proposals, but those will still be considered SECOND CHOICES or back up plans at best.

This Tuesday, Niner fans have the chance to voice their support for a new state of the art stadium to be built and ready for play in 2012. I think it would be crazy not to support a plan for a new stadium to be built as quickly as possible.

[Fromthe3rdRow]

Hey Fred you know more than me so....do it brother.Well, don't give me too much credit, but I will admit I have been following this story very, very closely, for about 10 years now. I probably have more access to information than someone living in NM. But I am very very willing to share. If you got questions on this topic, I will do my best to find you the answers.

The BEST fans are KNOWLEDGABLE FANS.

If we was IGNORANT FANS - we'd be wearing Silver and Black. :laugh: (Sorry Larry - had to do it!) :tung:

[statniner]

Sounds like a waste of time.

The bottom line is.


Nah. :biggrin:

[Niner Jan]

Hey, go away, Tovey Troll. This was an announcement for 49er fans interested in supporting their team. If you're not in favor of the rally, then go read & reply to some other thread of interest to YOU, and stop messing with my call for support.

Nobody is forcing your attendance; just let others unimpeded who are eager to show their loyalty. The politicians in SF have been getting all the attention (bad press); it's time for some good press for our 49ers.

That's all I ask!

[Niner Jan]

Along the same lines, here's a letter I mailed today to Senator Carole Migden, District 3 (North Bay Area):

Senator Carole Migden....................(or) SF District Office
State Capitol, Room 2059......................455 Golden Gate Ave
Sacramento, CA 95814..........................San Francisco, CA 94102


As a dedicated 49ers fan, I am extremely opposed to your planned bill, SB49. Since you represent the North Bay Area around SF, I can see that you are eating right out of the SF politicians’ hands--especially Mayor Gavin Newsom’s--who is only looking out for his political career and NOT for the best interests of the 49ers team and its fans. If he loses the 49ers’ stadium rebuild, he loses FACE--and city $$$! Too bad--he should have thought of that many years earlier when the Organization tried to coax some cooperative action from SF to fix the problems at the Stick. The inaction of SF politics has come home to roost on its doorstep!

It’s a good thing that your website doesn’t publish an email address--or you would be deluged by email from 49er fans from the SOUTH BAY, which is where 90% of the team’s fans come from who purchase season tickets (and parking passes--the revenues of which go to SF). They are the ones who have to get stuck in very lengthy traffic jams just driving into and out of Candlestick Point. They are the ones who like their tailgate parties--which would be denied them in any effort to rebuild at Candlestick. And since they are the ones who are season ticket holders, they should be the ones with the biggest say in the new location of the 49ers stadium.

I protest your intended legislation and hope you come to your senses regarding the 49ers' new stadium--which will be built in Santa Clara, where the vast majority of its fan base is located. This is in OUR interest!

You’re looking out for #1 (your constituency)--and we’re looking out for our own best interests, the San Francisco 49ers! By the way, the name doesn’t belong to the City of San Francisco, but to the 49ers' franchise and the NFL. So, your SB 49 is going NOWHERE!

Happy New Year to you, too!



Your name & city
SF 49ers devoted fan

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You are welcome to use any part of it to write to the Senator. We need to let these SF area politicians that we are not just going to lie down and take it! (a movie star's slightly paraphrased words...)
:tearup: :help: :pullhair: :phone:

[AlexSmith5rings]

ninerjan do you live right next to the proposed site? i am sure you would be this thrilled if the stadium was proposed somewhere in san rafael.

[Fromthe3rdRow]

I won't speak for Jan, but I will say that I do indeed live very close to the new site for the proposed stadium in Santa Clara. Does this excite me? Absolutely!

But you know what excited me more? Actually seeing progress towards a new stadium after a DECADE of failed negotiations with the city of San Francisco. We've been waiting for 10 years for a stadium deal in "The City". I, for one, am sick and tired of waiting.

The Niners deserve to play in a new, state of the art stadium. Niners' fans deserve the best game day experience possible - which REQUIRES the ability to tailgate. SF failed to find a way to get it down at Candlestick point. That is their sad, sad loss.

If it turned out the second option was San Rafael - I'd still be excited. I am excited about a new stadium, period! Am I even more excited since I can literally walk to the new site! Duuuh!! What do you think?

[Niner Jan]

Niner Jan, do you live right next to the proposed site? i am sure you would be this thrilled if the stadium was proposed somewhere in San Rafael.

I live less than 15 minutes from the 49ers Training Facility in Santa Clara. I have seen with my eyes that the area is like as the future site of the stadium. Everything is in place, in ready for a new stadium. And it would be right across the street from their Training Facility--just minutes away from public transportation (Light Rail); don't know the name of the train that passes right along side the practice field, but I see it passing when I attend practices in the summer.

I've read up a lot on what the new SC stadium has to offer and have seen the area. I am not familiar with San Rafael, and I'm not willing to accept just anybody's word unless it is proven to be better. What's so different between having the stadium in San Rafael than in Santa Clara--they are both in the BAY AREA--and neither one is San Francisco. In fact, Candlestick is in South San Francisco, off to the side of SF, not in SF proper.

Building our new stadium has been delayed for a decade because of SF dragging its feet in negotiations and getting the circumstances corrected at the current stadium. Why should we wait longer now that we have found a better site--and why should we expect SF politicians will act any differently than in the past decade. The delay has cost additional millions already!

I am for the Santa Clara proposal because of what it offers the team and the fans---not because it is close to me. I may not even be alive when it is built! But that doesn't stop me for fighting for what I believe is the best choice of a location for the team and the fans.

[Hopper15]

I won't speak for Jan, but I will say that I do indeed live very close to the new site for the proposed stadium in Santa Clara. Does this excite me? Absolutely!

But you know what excited me more? Actually seeing progress towards a new stadium after a DECADE of failed negotiations with the city of San Francisco. We've been waiting for 10 years for a stadium deal in "The City". I, for one, am sick and tired of waiting.

The Niners deserve to play in a new, state of the art stadium. Niners' fans deserve the best game day experience possible - which REQUIRES the ability to tailgate. SF failed to find a way to get it down at Candlestick point. That is their sad, sad loss.

If it turned out the second option was San Rafael - I'd still be excited. I am excited about a new stadium, period! Am I even more excited since I can literally walk to the new site! Duuuh!! What do you think?

Figures

[statniner]

Go to the 49ers homepage. Lisa Lang (our speaker) UPDATES us about our proposed ne stadium. Watch it, she's persuasive.

SB 49= no good.


Please do not pass this law. I don't want the 49ers to move to L.A. :sad:

[matineematt]

Tomorrow night is very important. Council members use turnouts to take the pulse of the electorate. If something seems enormously popular those on the fence will support it. If an issue come with negative baggage, those on the fence will run from it. The Yorks have proven to me that they deserve our support. They hired the people who turned around the team on the field. They hired the people who have the salary cap under control. They hired the people who showed that they understand that the gameday experience is supreme for the faithful and are standing up for US.

Of course there is self interest. This is a captitalist society and the Yorks want to be successful. If we want a representative team playing in a world class facility we should do what we can to support what an ownership that has showed it knows what it is doing wants to do in relation to a stadium. True 49er fans will benefit.

[Tovey21]

Hey, go away, Tovey Troll. This was an announcement for 49er fans interested in supporting their team. If you're not in favor of the rally, then go read & reply to some other thread of interest to YOU, and stop messing with my call for support.

Nobody is forcing your attendance; just let others unimpeded who are eager to show their loyalty. The politicians in SF have been getting all the attention (bad press); it's time for some good press for our 49ers.

That's all I ask!

I can post where I want to post and the team should play in San Francisco not in Santa Clara and if you don't like it bite me.

[sats0]

I am a season ticket holder and I live in the East Bay. Both Candlestick and the proposed Santa Clara site are about the same distance from where I live. I would support any plan that provides the following:

Good public transportation
A state of the art facility
A good playing field
Better weather

If there is a site within the SF city limits that meets these criteria, I would gladly support it over any other plan. However, I just don't think it is feasible. Even though both sites are about equal distance from where I live, it will save me about 1 hour EACH WAY on game day going to from Santa Clara. Plus, I can take the light rail or the train from Pleasanton instead of getting stuck
on the Bay Bridge and on the city streets. Santa Clara also has better
weather than Candlestick. I also believe that given the outrageous real
estate costs in SF, we will get a much better facility in Santa Clara for the
same cost.

If you set aside your emotional reactions for a minute, I think most people will realize that building the new stadium outside of SF makes too much sense from every regard. I do feel sorry for fans from the North Bay though, so I was hoping some site further up in the peninsula could be found. But like Niner Jan said, if a sizeable number of the season ticket holders are from the South Bay / peninsula, then that's where the team should move.

[Niner Jan]

But like Niner Jan said, if a sizeable number of the season ticket holders are from the South Bay / peninsula, then that's where the team should move.

Sats0,

The 90% STH ratio is a quote from Lal Heneghan, one of the top officers at the 49ers, not my statistics. Lal has access to that kind of information, since his office is at the 49ers Corporate Headquarters.

Incidentally, the 49ers are not moving to Santa Clara; they are already IN Santa Clara. Only the stadium where the 49ers currently play is in the SF Bay area of South San Francisco. Nothing else would change about the history of the franchise--only the site of the stadium, which I hope will be across the street from their Corporate Headquarters and Training Facility. The 49ers haven't played in San Francisco proper since 1971--when their games were at Kezar.

Tovey21,

Sorry to step on your tender toes, but I am careful what goes into my mouth--as well as what comes out of it. I just got tired of your badmouthing my efforts to contact supporters of the new stadium for our team for Tuesday evening's rally. You don't have to agree with the idea but you could be more civil about it. I didn't mean to be unkind to you.

Why wouldn't you prefer going to watch the 49ers play at Santa Clara--which is much closer to San Jose and more convenient, traffic wise? (Do you even attend games at the Stick?)

Northern CA politicians have gotten so much publicity (Migden, Newsom, and the CA national senators); it's our turn to counter the bad publicity and express the desires of the FANS on the Santa Clara Stadium for the 49ers. If you don't approve, that's your opinion. I just wanted to hear from fans who would be interested in going to bat for our 49ers Tuesday evening.

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I went for a dry run today to the Santa Clara City Hall area. I chose to go by Central Expressway, turned SOUTH at Scott Blvd (away from 101), then turned LEFT at the Arco station on Warburton. Following the curve around the silver rocket (across from the Triton Museum), the City Hall Chambers are on the right side of the street--just 2 blocks before Monroe. So, now I know where to drive Tuesday evening (in the dark).

Hope to see a good representation of our Message Board fans there! There will be a group going from the 49ers staff. I met some of them today in the 49ers' lobby. I'm sure our 49er writers will be in attendance as well.

[AlexSmith5rings]

Incidentally, the 49ers are not moving to Santa Clara; they are already IN Santa Clara. Only the stadium where the 49ers currently play is in the SF Bay area of South San Francisco. Nothing else would change about the history of the franchise--only the site of the stadium, which I hope will be across the street from their Corporate Headquarters and Training Facility. The 49ers haven't played in San Francisco proper since 1971--when their games were at Kezar.

T
Since when was Candlestick in South San Francisco? Did it fly away from S.F. since the Arizona game? Look on a map if you want.. candlestick is no where near south san francisco.

[Fromthe3rdRow]

Since when was Candlestick in South San Francisco? Did it fly away from S.F. since the Arizona game? Look on a map if you want.. candlestick is no where near south san francisco.Not according to Google Earth.

Candlestick point is located in the extreme south east corner of San Francisco county. It is within a stones throw of San Mateo county directly to the south. In fact, it appears the main free way exit to the park off of Highway 101 north IS within the county of San Mateo.

You pass through South San Francisco before taking that exit. I will post the image from Google Earth as soon as I figure out how...

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/4592/monsterparklz8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Wow - took me long enough. But there ya go.

It appears NinerJan's statement is a lot closer to the truth. Candlestick IS within a stone's throw of the county line and South San Francisco....

[AlexSmith5rings]

that is san francisco...

taken from monsterparksf.com

Stadium Operations (parking)
Monster Park, Room 398
San Francisco, Calif. 94124
Phone: (415) 656-4949

[Fromthe3rdRow]

that is san francisco...

taken from monsterparksf.com

Stadium Operations (parking)
Monster Park, Room 398
San Francisco, Calif. 94124
Phone: (415) 656-4949Dude - you're the one that said "check a map". Will arial photography do?

The stadium is right next to the county line. The freeway exit to the stadium is actually located in San Mateo county. Pretty durn close to South San Francisco if you ask me. It's much closer to the border of SSF than it is to SF city hall or the city center.

You said "no where near" SSF. You were wrong to exaggerate.

[AlexSmith5rings]

Dude - you're the one that said "check a map". Will arial photography do?

The stadium is right next to the county line. The freeway exit to the stadium is actually located in San Mateo county. Pretty durn close to South San Francisco if you ask me. It's much closer to the border of SSF than it is to SF city hall or the city center.

You said "no where near" SSF. You were wrong to exaggerate.
the map shows it is in san francisco, unless i am missing something. isn't brisbane south of the park and then south san francisco is south of brisbane? i could be wrong but i know monster park is in San Francisco.

[AlexSmith5rings]

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=south%20san%20francisco&btnG=Google+Search&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

if you consider south san francisco right next to the monster park then where did brisbane go? so no i am not "exaggerating" according to google maps

:rolleyes2:

[Fromthe3rdRow]

if you consider south san francisco right next to the monster park then where did brisbane go? so no i am not "exaggerating" according to google maps

:rolleyes2:Ohh yeah. I musta blinked - Northbound Highway 101 does pass through a corner of Brisbane before it reaches the the freeway exit to Candlestick point. At free way speeds, I guess I spend about 60 seconds in that town. Big whoop. Either way - you said "no where near". That is not factually correct either.

[statniner]

How about we all get along and tomorrow let our noises be heard. Opposing or supporting, these politicians must be informed that we 49ers fans have something to say about the stadium proposal.

[AlexSmith5rings]

Either way - you said "no where near". That is not factually correct either.
:falldownlaugh: next time you go defending niner jan for whatever she says look it up before you automatically think someone else is wrong.

[Fromthe3rdRow]

:falldownlaugh: next time you go defending niner jan for whatever she says look it up before you automatically think someone else is wrong.Nope, did not automatically think you were wrong. I flat out knew your statement "no where near" was incorrect. Simple as that. This isn't the first time someone tried egging her for no real reason. And I'd cover the back of any other long term poster here - not just Jan's.

Bottom line - the San Francisco 49ers only play in SF 10 days a year. Their full time operations are located in Santa Clara - THAT is the point a few people are convieniently trying to ignore. They prefer to scare people into thinking the team is "moving" when they are not.

[Fromthe3rdRow]

How about we all get along and tomorrow let our noises be heard. Opposing or supporting, these politicians must be informed that we 49ers fans have something to say about the stadium proposal.You can bet I'll be there!!

[Niner Jan]

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=San+Francisco,+CA&ie=UTF8&z=12&ll=37.70501,-122.416534&spn=0.214042,0.375595&om=1

Sorry, I guess I was under the impression that the stadium was in South San Francisco because when you are driving north on 101, you are close to the hills with the big white letters that spell out SOUTH SAN FRANCISCO. And that is why I thought that Monster Park was in SSF. My apology.

However, if you study the map (see link above), you will see that it is really closer to SSF than to SF. Fred was right in explaining that it is not in the heart of San Francisco, either. It is practially in the BAY! Literally!

*******

At any rate, now you can see from the map why the location is such a poor one for a stadium. The fans are prey to the vagaries of the weather and the swampy tendencies of the field, since it is so close to the water. Not to mention the crazy swirling winds of the Stick! And the poor road access into the stadium grounds. That's for sure!

The weather and other environmental factors surrounding the proposed site in Santa Clara is SO much better than those in Candlestick Point, where Monster Park is located.

I hope this ends all the controversy about where the current stadium is located. Fred, you're off the hook! My mistake was an honest way; I was incorrect and I apologize for the technicality. However, it still is a POOR EXCUSE OF A STADIUM--old and new!

[Niner Jan]

Now that the location is settled, let's get back to the TOPIC, which is the rally in favor of the 49ers in Santa Clara TONIGHT. It's already 1:30 am!

Since today is my birthday, I will give myself a present by dressing up in red & gold and being there in person to honor my beloved team. I will be proud to be there to support our team!

I want what is best for our team (and fans) and the 49ers Organization. Fred had a good point when he stated that the 49ers play in Monster Park 10 days in a year (in regular season) + 2 more in preseason. The 49ers are in Santa Clara the rest of the football season, plus during the spring mini-camps and summer training camp. They also are at the Facility during the offseason, so to have the stadium in their backyard is a boon to the team. And after all, isn't that why 49ers fans would want what is most convenient for the team--as well as for 90% of their fanbase?

I can't wait to hear what the Santa Clara City Council has to say tonight. I'll be there in my finest 49ers gear!

[RaiderHater]

Now that the location is settled, let's get back to the TOPIC, which is the rally in favor of the 49ers in Santa Clara TONIGHT. It's already 1:30 am!

Since today is my birthday, I will give myself a present by dressing up in red & gold and being there in person to honor my beloved team. I will be proud to be there to support our team!

I want what is best for our team (and fans) and the 49ers Organization. Fred had a good point when he stated that the 49ers play in Monster Park 10 days in a year (in regular season) + 2 more in preseason. The 49ers are in Santa Clara the rest of the football season, plus during the spring mini-camps and summer training camp. They also are at the Facility during the offseason, so to have the stadium in their backyard is a boon to the team. And after all, isn't that why 49ers fans would want what is most convenient for the team--as well as for 90% of their fanbase?

I can't wait to hear what the Santa Clara City Council has to say tonight. I'll be there in my finest 49ers gear!


Feliz Cumpleanos Jan!

[statniner]

Happy birthday NinerMom.

[Niner Jan]

Thanks! Did you know that some people traditionally like to GIVE people they love gifts--instead of receiving them? I know. They are very special people. But I can understand their thinking. I love to make others happy; it's a kind of gift-giving.

Today, I get to give my whole-hearted support to the 49ers for my birthday.

:gathering: :wub: :go9ers: :bday2:

[Iamavictory]

Jan, Happy Birthday! and thank you so much for representing those of us who live a few states away! Please ignore those ignorant ones who have no idea what they are talking about. It's sad that we may no longer be playing in the city of SF anymore, but any fan, any REAL fan would realize that it is better to be playing in the Bay Area rather than in LA or anyplace else that is NOT the bay area. It's very clear to me that the city officals are doing all they can to strong arm their way into haveing their cake and eat it too. Well, they had their chance and now that they see they are about to fail, they will resort to Nazism to satisfy their greed. So I sincerely hope you take a sign with you blasting Sen Migden as Fuhrer Migden and the rest of her clan as her Reich. I have optmism that the majority will see what is going on and that next election the Nazis will get voted out of office. Again Jan, Happy Birthday and thanks for representing us. Good Luck and I hope you have a great day! Go NINERS! :sf49:

[Iamavictory]

:bday2: :bday2: :bday2: :bday2:

[BrielleSF]

[QUOTE=Niner Jan]http://maps.google.com/maps?q=San+Francisco,+CA&ie=UTF8&z=12&ll=37.70501,-122.416534&spn=0.214042,0.375595&om=1

Not to mention the crazy swirling winds of the Stick!

Hmmmm I seem to recall the team winning quite a few games with help from those 'crazy swirling winds of the Stick!'. Part of the history.

[BrielleSF]

Since when was Candlestick in South San Francisco? Did it fly away from S.F. since the Arizona game? Look on a map if you want.. candlestick is no where near south san francisco.
Well it seems to me that taking a team that has only ever played within the city limits of San Francisco would be changing the history of the franchise.

[BrielleSF]

Jan, Happy Birthday! and thank you so much for representing those of us who live a few states away! Please ignore those ignorant ones who have no idea what they are talking about. It's sad that we may no longer be playing in the city of SF anymore, but any fan, any REAL fan would realize that it is better to be playing in the Bay Area rather than in LA or anyplace else that is NOT the bay area. It's very clear to me that the city officals are doing all they can to strong arm their way into haveing their cake and eat it too. Well, they had their chance and now that they see they are about to fail, they will resort to Nazism to satisfy their greed. So I sincerely hope you take a sign with you blasting Sen Migden as Fuhrer Migden and the rest of her clan as her Reich. I have optmism that the majority will see what is going on and that next election the Nazis will get voted out of office. Again Jan, Happy Birthday and thanks for representing us. Good Luck and I hope you have a great day! Go NINERS! :sf49:
Seems a littls strong to compare people who are fighting for THEIR constituents to Nazis. Do you see them building any death chambers? That's just offensive.

[fabie]

Thanks! Did you know that some people traditionally like to GIVE people they love gifts--instead of receiving them? I know. They are very special people. But I can understand their thinking. I love to make others happy; it's a kind of gift-giving.

Today, I get to give my whole-hearted support to the 49ers for my birthday.

:gathering: :wub: :go9ers: Sent you a PM, hopefully you still check it once in a while! :fishing:

[Tovey21]

Sats0,

The 90% STH ratio is a quote from Lal Heneghan, one of the top officers at the 49ers, not my statistics. Lal has access to that kind of information, since his office is at the 49ers Corporate Headquarters.

Incidentally, the 49ers are not moving to Santa Clara; they are already IN Santa Clara. Only the stadium where the 49ers currently play is in the SF Bay area of South San Francisco. Nothing else would change about the history of the franchise--only the site of the stadium, which I hope will be across the street from their Corporate Headquarters and Training Facility. The 49ers haven't played in San Francisco proper since 1971--when their games were at Kezar.

Tovey21,

Sorry to step on your tender toes, but I am careful what goes into my mouth--as well as what comes out of it. I just got tired of your badmouthing my efforts to contact supporters of the new stadium for our team for Tuesday evening's rally. You don't have to agree with the idea but you could be more civil about it. I didn't mean to be unkind to you.

Why wouldn't you prefer going to watch the 49ers play at Santa Clara--which is much closer to San Jose and more convenient, traffic wise? (Do you even attend games at the Stick?)

Northern CA politicians have gotten so much publicity (Migden, Newsom, and the CA national senators); it's our turn to counter the bad publicity and express the desires of the FANS on the Santa Clara Stadium for the 49ers. If you don't approve, that's your opinion. I just wanted to hear from fans who would be interested in going to bat for our 49ers Tuesday evening.

******

I went for a dry run today to the Santa Clara City Hall area. I chose to go by Central Expressway, turned SOUTH at Scott Blvd (away from 101), then turned LEFT at the Arco station on Warburton. Following the curve around the silver rocket (across from the Triton Museum), the City Hall Chambers are on the right side of the street--just 2 blocks before Monroe. So, now I know where to drive Tuesday evening (in the dark).

Hope to see a good representation of our Message Board fans there! There will be a group going from the 49ers staff. I met some of them today in the 49ers' lobby. I'm sure our 49er writers will be in attendance as well.

Like I said tradition which all of it is in SF. It's true Santa Clara is closer to my home but I don't care I want the Niners to stay in SF where there legacy is.

[Roaring Back]

Santa Clara voters WILL NOT approve public money for a stadium. This is all posturing. If this wasn't the third time we've been down this road with local pro franchises, I would understand the delusion, but this is third time we've been down this road with local pro franchises.

Now, if the 49ers are willing to privately finance it, then I'll change my tune, but in that scenario, they undoubtedly understand that the return on investment would pale in comparison to building on San Francisco property...a consideration strongly heeded by the long-sighted SF Giants ownership group.

[fabie]

Santa Clara voters WILL NOT approve public money for a stadium. This is all posturing. If this wasn't the third time we've been down this road with local pro franchises, I would understand the delusion, but this is third time we've been down this road with local pro franchises.

Now, if the 49ers are willing to privately finance it, then I'll change my tune, but in that scenario, they undoubtedly understand that the return on investment would pale in comparison to building on San Francisco property...a consideration strongly heeded by the long-sighted SF Giants ownership group.As stated by our DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS (see sf49ers.com) that we are pulling for both public/private funding for this one.

It isn't that the city of Santa Clara won't benefit from this economically at all and so a combo of small business/large business and local public funding is more foreseeable.

[Fromthe3rdRow]

Santa Clara voters WILL NOT approve .....

Ahh. Ignorance is bliss. Here, let me help.

Please follow the link to the news story excerpted below:

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/football/nfl/san_francisco_49ers/16416634.htm

Survey shows voters favor a 49ers stadium

By David Pollak and Mike Swift
Mercury News

Tonight may be the public's fist chance to speak up about the San Francisco 49er's plan to build a stadium next to Great America Amusement Park, but the team already has taken the community's pulse on the issue.

A poll of 400 registered city voters shows 73 percent support for a stadium that could cost up to $800 millino and possibly serve as the site of a Super Bowl, the team revealed Monday. A financing plan has not been determined, but the poll's main question speculated that the city's investment would come in the form of land and develpment firghts, not any new taxes or a drain on te general fund.

"The results were not just encouragin, but outstanding," said Jude Barry, a consultant working with the 49ers on the stadum project.

The team, he said, commissione the poll to show council members the support for a 68,000-seat stadium and to give the 49ers a sense of what people are most worried about....


For more information about the stadium: Stadium News - San Jose Merc (http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/football/nfl/san_francisco_49ers/more_news.htm?pub_id=111&category_id=1009544&days_range=3000&start_row=1).

[BrielleSF]

Ahh. Ignorance is bliss. Here, let me help.

Please follow the link to the news story excerpted below:

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/football/nfl/san_francisco_49ers/16416634.htm

[B]

For more information about the stadium: Stadium News - San Jose Merc (http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/football/nfl/san_francisco_49ers/more_news.htm?pub_id=111&category_id=1009544&days_range=3000&start_row=1).
Polls/surveys are notoriously inaccurate and skewed. There are at least 100,000 people who live in the city of Santa Clara. You think that 400 people can speak for the entire city?

[Fromthe3rdRow]

Polls/surveys are notoriously inaccurate and skewed. There are at least 100,000 people who live in the city of Santa Clara. You think that 400 people can speak for the entire city?
Actually, as of the 2000 census, the city had a total population of 102,361. But the city of Santa Clara makes up a very small portion of the County of Santa Clara, with a total population of 1,682,585 as counted during the last census. (Courtesy of www.wikipedia.org (http://www.wikipedia.org))

It's pretty evident you do not understand the purposes of polling if you honestly think it's possible to speak to that many people in order to determine their opinion....

[BrielleSF]

Actually, as of the 2000 census, the city had a total population of 102,361. But the city of Santa Clara makes up a very small portion of the County of Santa Clara, with a total population of 1,682,585 as counted during the last census. (Courtesy of www.wikipedia.org (http://www.wikipedia.org))

It's pretty evident you do not understand the purposes of polling if you honestly think it's possible to speak to that many people in order to determine their opinion....
I absolutely understand the PURPOSE of polling. What I am saying is that they are hardly ever an accurate representation of what people really think. It is false reporting to state that because the paper spoke to 400 people who live in Santa Clara, that all voters support the building of the stadium. Of course it is not possible to speak to the entire city, but you can have the "survey" or "poll" speak to at least 1% of the population. Do the math. 400/100000=0.004%.

[Hopper15]

I absolutely understand the PURPOSE of polling. What I am saying is that they are hardly ever an accurate representation of what people really think. It is false reporting to state that because the paper spoke to 400 people who live in Santa Clara, that all voters support the building of the stadium. Of course it is not possible to speak to the entire city, but you can have the "survey" or "poll" speak to at least 1% of the population. Do the math. 400/100000=0.004%.

rep

[Niner Jan]

the return on investment would pale in comparison to building on San Francisco property

WRONG! The City of SF in the past decade has not done what was needed to improve the conditions at the Stick. Problems that NEVER got corrected. Those are things still needing the City's attention.

SF politicians only want the revenue from the parking--and don't want to spend money to fix what is ailing on the land where the current stadium is located.

How would YOU like to add insult to injury boy attending a game in the current stadium while construction was going on, squeezing out of availability so many of the existing parking spaces PLUS adding noise and pollution from ongoing construction? Meanwhile the road access would not be improved but worsened!

Why are you making this thread another new stadium hodge-podge? I started a new thread to alert fans who are interested in attending the rally tonight to support our team. If you are not interested in helping, QUIT HINDERING! This thread is not directed at unsupporting fans!

Go away if you're not going to help me spread the word! This is not a thread to impose your opinion about the stadium. You are twisting my intentions! :wacko: :closed:

[BrielleSF]

WRONG! The City of SF in the past decade has not done what was needed to improve the conditions at the Stick. Problems that NEVER got corrected. Those are things still needing the City's attention.

SF politicians only want the revenue from the parking--and don't want to spend money to fix what is ailing on the land where the current stadium is located.

How would YOU like to add insult to injury boy attending a game in the current stadium while construction was going on, squeezing out of availability so many of the existing parking spaces PLUS adding noise and pollution from ongoing construction? Meanwhile the road access would not be improved but worsened!

Why are you making this thread another new stadium hodge-podge? I started a new thread to alert fans who are interested in attending the rally tonight to support our team. If you are not interested in helping, QUIT HINDERING! This thread is not directed at unsupporting fans!

Go away if you're not going to help me spread the word! This is not a thread to impose your opinion about the stadium. You are twisting my intentions! :wacko: :closed:
He's simply stating the fact that the real estate value of land in San Francisco is higher than the real estate value of land in Santa Clara.

[Fromthe3rdRow]

I absolutely understand the PURPOSE of polling. What I am saying is that they are hardly ever an accurate representation of what people really think. It is false reporting to state that because the paper spoke to 400 people who live in Santa Clara, that all voters support the building of the stadium. Of course it is not possible to speak to the entire city, but you can have the "survey" or "poll" speak to at least 1% of the population. Do the math. 400/100000=0.004%.Well apparently you do not understand the purpose of polling and surveys, because no one has stated that "all voters support the building of the stadium". What was stated is that a survey was conducted and the results of that survey suggest that there is solid support for the stadium. Your hyperbole is inaccurate and misleading - the facts as reported in the story remain.

[BrielleSF]

Well apparently you do not understand the purpose of polling and surveys, because no one has stated that "all voters support the building of the stadium". What was stated is that a survey was conducted and the results of that survey suggest that there is solid support for the stadium. Your hyperbole is inaccurate and misleading - the facts as reported in the story remain.
I understand the purpose of polls and surveys perfectly. I just know better than to listen to them unless I know they were conducted properly. Sampling only 400 people in a city of 100,000 tells me in this case it was not done properly. Do you understand that someone could go out and do another poll that could show the exact opposite, if they wanted to show that people don't support the stadium build? Polls in their very nature are SKEWED. That's all I am saying. They are not a scientifically accurate way to measure support or lack thereof especially with such as small sample of the population.

But hey, if you choose to see this article and think that the majority of voters in the city is in support of this because 73% of 400 polled are supportive, be my guest. I'll believe there is citywide support for a stadium when there is a vote that passes in Santa Clara. It's failed many times before. Until then I stand firm. Just for your education:

"To be accurate, the questions on a survey must be asked of a group of people--what pollsters call a sample--that is representative of the larger population. The questions themselves must also be good indicators of the opinions or attitudes the pollster is trying to measure and the questions must also be asked consistently from one person to the next....Public opinion polls must generally be read with caution. Any one opinion poll might be inaccurate for a variety of reasons. Moreover, even accurately measured public opinion is often based on limited or inaccurate information and people are prone to change their minds. " http://www.thisnation.com/question/002.html

[Roaring Back]

As stated by our DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS (see sf49ers.com) that we are pulling for both public/private funding for this one.

It isn't that the city of Santa Clara won't benefit from this economically at all and so a combo of small business/large business and local public funding is more foreseeable.

Understood. Public/private is the deal killer here. I'm not questioning whether Santa Clara County would benefit economically, in the short term. I just don't see the county voters approving one penny for this venture. That's what has happened in the past. That's what will happen again.

[Roaring Back]

WRONG! The City of SF in the past decade has not done what was needed to improve the conditions at the Stick. Problems that NEVER got corrected. Those are things still needing the City's attention.

SF politicians only want the revenue from the parking--and don't want to spend money to fix what is ailing on the land where the current stadium is located.

How would YOU like to add insult to injury boy attending a game in the current stadium while construction was going on, squeezing out of availability so many of the existing parking spaces PLUS adding noise and pollution from ongoing construction? Meanwhile the road access would not be improved but worsened!

Why are you making this thread another new stadium hodge-podge? I started a new thread to alert fans who are interested in attending the rally tonight to support our team. If you are not interested in helping, QUIT HINDERING! This thread is not directed at unsupporting fans!

Go away if you're not going to help me spread the word! This is not a thread to impose your opinion about the stadium. You are twisting my intentions! :wacko: :closed:

It's not my intent to break your spirit. I just hate to see everybody get all excited, only to have their hopes dashed by reality. Santa Clara is doable only if the stadium is financed entirely by private money. Otherwise, it's dead.

[fabie]

Understood. Public/private is the deal killer here. I'm not questioning whether Santa Clara County would benefit economically, in the short term. I just don't see the county voters approving one penny for this venture. That's what has happened in the past. That's what will happen again.It depends...I think that the 49ers organization is also dealing with the local businesses to have a "community" effect on this one....it could very well be the ticket for the local business to flourish also and so I think that this is a more viable direction than the city of San Francisco due to the already glutted and tightened area of scope, whereas Santa Clara have a very good potential to bloom right away while having more space....

[The Jerm!]

Wow! Some crazy guy went all out against the Santa Clara city council and 49er representatives. He was yelling while pointing right at the 49er reps.

his points:

- Santa Clara is stealing the 49ers from San Francisco!

- Bayview/ Hunters Point needs the team more! (has a point, but...)

- Your coach had 4th and 1 and kicked a field goal! (ok...)

- When was the 49ers last winning season? (again...ok)

- The 49ers let go of all their players like Joe Montana, Steve Young, Jerry Rice! (I can't believe he said this)

- When a quarterback wins the SuperBowl in Santa Clara they all say "We're Going to Disneyland". Great America is right next door! This is stupid! (Oh my gosh!)

- Nobody wants the 49ers in Santa Clara! (Well not everybody)

- The 49ers need to stay in San Francisco! (It would be nice but it's about the money and fans)

So that's about the only guy who opposed the 49ers coming to Santa Clara.

Is he even a fan if he said

- Your coach had 4th and 1 and kicked a field goal! (ok...)

:yawn: :falldownlaugh:

[Eric 80]

Wow! Some crazy guy went all out against the Santa Clara city council and 49er representatives. He was yelling while pointing right at the 49er reps.

his points:

- Santa Clara is stealing the 49ers from San Francisco!

- Bayview/ Hunters Point needs the team more! (has a point, but...)

- Your coach had 4th and 1 and kicked a field goal! (ok...)

- When was the 49ers last winning season? (again...ok)

- The 49ers let go of all their players like Joe Montana, Steve Young, Jerry Rice! (I can't believe he said this)

- When a quarterback wins the SuperBowl in Santa Clara they all say "We're Going to Disneyland". Great America is right next door! This is stupid! (Oh my gosh!)

- Nobody wants the 49ers in Santa Clara! (Well not everybody)

- The 49ers need to stay in San Francisco! (It would be nice but it's about the money and fans)

So that's about the only guy who opposed the 49ers coming to Santa Clara.
Sound pretty entertaining. Did people laugh him off the stage? I would have.

[statniner]

EH, SOUNDS LIKE FUN.

School first, I couldn't leave first day of class. It's good to hear that most people there support the move to SC.

[BY97]

People always resist change... even good change. It always happens. But so does change. That's the only thing that's guaranteed in this universe, that given enough time, everything will change. So why bother resisting?

[RaiderHater]

Wow! Some crazy guy went all out against the Santa Clara city council and 49er representatives. He was yelling while pointing right at the 49er reps.

his points:

- Santa Clara is stealing the 49ers from San Francisco!

- Bayview/ Hunters Point needs the team more! (has a point, but...)

- Your coach had 4th and 1 and kicked a field goal! (ok...)

- When was the 49ers last winning season? (again...ok)

- The 49ers let go of all their players like Joe Montana, Steve Young, Jerry Rice! (I can't believe he said this)

- When a quarterback wins the SuperBowl in Santa Clara they all say "We're Going to Disneyland". Great America is right next door! This is stupid! (Oh my gosh!)

- Nobody wants the 49ers in Santa Clara! (Well not everybody)

- The 49ers need to stay in San Francisco! (It would be nice but it's about the money and fans)

So that's about the only guy who opposed the 49ers coming to Santa Clara.


Obviously this guy wasn't taken seriously. He was just looking for his few minutes of fame. :down:

Any other notable things happen at the meeting????

[Roaring Back]

People always resist change... even good change. It always happens. But so does change. That's the only thing that's guaranteed in this universe, that given enough time, everything will change. So why bother resisting?

What about bad change? Do people resist that too? And if so, is that a good thing?

[Roaring Back]

he made me feel embarassed to be a Santa Claran.

Sorry to hear that. This Contra Costan loves where he lives, but also understands the Forty Niners belong in San Francisco...not the Great America parking lot...or near the Sunvalley Mall (even though there is a lot of space there).

[redngold21]

Wow! Some crazy guy went all out against the Santa Clara city council and 49er representatives. He was yelling while pointing right at the 49er reps.

his points:

- Santa Clara is stealing the 49ers from San Francisco!

- Bayview/ Hunters Point needs the team more! (has a point, but...)

- Your coach had 4th and 1 and kicked a field goal! (ok...)

- When was the 49ers last winning season? (again...ok)

- The 49ers let go of all their players like Joe Montana, Steve Young, Jerry Rice! (I can't believe he said this)

- When a quarterback wins the SuperBowl in Santa Clara they all say "We're Going to Disneyland". Great America is right next door! This is stupid! (Oh my gosh!)

- Nobody wants the 49ers in Santa Clara! (Well not everybody)

- The 49ers need to stay in San Francisco! (It would be nice but it's about the money and fans)

So that's about the only guy who opposed the 49ers coming to Santa Clara.

was this guy retarded by any chance? wtf is he saying?

[Fromthe3rdRow]

was this guy retarded by any chance? wtf is he saying?The guy definitely had issues. He actually had already secured the first spot on the evenings agenda. He stood up in front of the city council and ranted, raved, made accusations, suggested council members and/or members of SC PD had assualted him and he wanted to know who was going to pay for the scratch on his car.......

I'm afraid to say, from snickers and comments I heard in the crowd, he appeared to be a local, and a regular visitor to the council chambers. It was rather sad. What is even more sad is how his baseless ranting and raving sort of resembled some of the things I've read in here. But let's not let my opinion interfere with further discussion...

[Fromthe3rdRow]

I understand the purpose of polls and surveys perfectly. I just know better than to listen to them ... While I laud your attempt at critical thinking, I'm afraid I do not share your opinion. A professional firm was utilized to conduct the poll. It's not like someone's Uncle Louie picked up his cell phone and asked a few people some questions.

If you read the entire article you might gain a better understanding of the nature of the survey and what it suggests. Your exaggeration of the facts by proclaiming the survey stated "all voters support the stadium" suggest to me that you may have some other agenda you wish to promote. Please, go right ahead and do your thing. But perhaps you'll have more luck expressing yourself by describing your agenda in a positive fashion rather than presenting it as simply a negative view point of others....

[statniner]

Proposed Santa Clara Stadium photo:
http://i13.tinypic.com/48dvwv5.jpg
http://www.49erswebzone.com/


Very nice find. I like it.

[RaiderHater]

Proposed Santa Clara Stadium photo:
http://i13.tinypic.com/48dvwv5.jpg
http://www.49erswebzone.com/


Rep sent.. Thanks... I get all hyped up everytime I see photos of the proposed new stadium.. I can't wait.. I wish they would start building the stadium right now!!!

Hopefully everything goes through...

:sam: :clapping:

[Fromthe3rdRow]

As for the actual meeting itself, the presentation by the 49ers was well tempered and professional. Jed York presented the initial application. He addressed the council in a clear, firm voice and projected a sense of sincerity in the team's desire to pursue the Santa Clara site for a new stadium. One of the more exciting remarks was a commitment made by the team to work with the city to promote the selection of a new Santa Clara stadium as a site for future Superbowl games. You can bet team boosters liked hearing that!

The council allowed public comment following the presentation. The overwhelming majority of speakers expressed positive support for the proposal. Aside from the individual noted above, only one other speaker expressed a negative view. However that viewpoint was essentially a cautionary message urging the council to ensure a good return on their investment.

A few notable speakers included a local representative of union labor who urged the council to consider the economic benefits of an $800 million construction project. A representative of local police and fire expressed support. An official from the San Jose Sports Authority mentioned the potential benefits from other types of sporting events held in the stadium. A former city mayor lent his support, as did a member of the Chamber of Commerce who mentioned economic benefits for local business if the stadium were built.

The remaining speakers included senior members of Niner Alumni who pointed out Santa Clara was actually the birth place of professional football in the Bay Area through efforts of men such as Buck Shaw, the legendary coach from SC University. This was an interesting point which suggests Santa Clara has as rightful place in the history and traditions of the 49ers,

All in all, I found it to be a very positive experience. I am glad I had an opportunity to witness the city council's unanimous vote to initiate the process which may ultimately deliver a stadium Niner fans so richly deserve.

I congratulate the City of Santa Clara for their actions and look forward to following further developments as they move forward in the weeks and months to come.

[giants49ergurl]

Wow! Some crazy guy went all out against the Santa Clara city council and 49er representatives. He was yelling while pointing right at the 49er reps.

his points:

- Santa Clara is stealing the 49ers from San Francisco!

- Bayview/ Hunters Point needs the team more! (has a point, but...)

- Your coach had 4th and 1 and kicked a field goal! (ok...)

- When was the 49ers last winning season? (again...ok)

- The 49ers let go of all their players like Joe Montana, Steve Young, Jerry Rice! (I can't believe he said this)

- When a quarterback wins the SuperBowl in Santa Clara they all say "We're Going to Disneyland". Great America is right next door! This is stupid! (Oh my gosh!)

- Nobody wants the 49ers in Santa Clara! (Well not everybody)

- The 49ers need to stay in San Francisco! (It would be nice but it's about the money and fans)

So that's about the only guy who opposed the 49ers coming to Santa Clara.

wow......

[pin0yb0i]

http://photos.friendster.com/photos/05/81/1131850/820808587l.jpg

they should put something on top of the suite tower..maybe a model golden gate bridge(probably not) or maybe a really big video screen

[Niner Jan]

Yes, the meeting was held in a packed hall, with people standing in the back and along the sides. (Part of the crowd dissipated about 30-40 minutes after the meeting commenced because that part of the agenda was dedicated to local awards for Christmas decorations, so some of the standees were able to be seated when that group departed.)

Except for that one luney guy who ranted as the meeting started up, the speakers were ALL pretty much favorable to studying the idea of having the stadium in Santa Clara. As has been already presented well by posters, Fromthe3rdRow and SF Forty Niners, the overwhelming majority of speakers favored having the 49ers stadium in their area. And at the end, each of the 7 speakers on the City Council either unequivocally approved commencing the 6-month feasibility study or favored the idea after careful investigation of the plan financially, with emphasis on Santa Clara's part in it.

One thing that impressed me was what one speaker stated: that the SF 49ers really had their beginning in Santa Clara with Buck Shaw from SC Universityo, one of the first HC's of the team. I never thought of that, and it was a strategic reminder of the team's humble beginning in the locale.

There were 4 former 49er alumni players that were in attendance: Len Rohde and Gordy Soltau (both of whom spoke from visitors' points of view), Jerry Mertens, and one other (whose name escapes me). Names of other speakers have already been listed, so I need not repeat them here. I was impressed with the credentials of those who presented their case in favor of the idea of having the 49ers stadium in Santa Clara.

All of the TV channels were represented and were jammed into one corner, on the left side of the Council Chambers (as one sits looking at the Council). The 49ers staff was seated in the first 4 rows (in front of me); they included Lisa Lang (VP of Communications), Jed York (son of Dr. York), Lal Heneghan (Exec. VP of Football Operations), and several more personnel in direct functions with the stadium. I finally had a chance to interview Lal Heneghan (who was one of the introductory speakers).

The signs that were referred to was one giving the website name (made by the Katie R of the 49ers) and another made by Joannie B of the Santa Clara Chapter of the 49ers Booster Club). The second was nicely printed up professionally and simply stated that "The SC Chapter of the 49ers Booster Club overwhelmingly supports having the 49ers SC Stadium." In fact, I saw the one that I was holding on TV last night in the 10 o'clock (CH 7) news and it was clearly legible, even down to the beautiful SF logo strategically centered on the bottom line.

There was a representative sprinkling of the 49ers Santa Clara Booster Club among the audience in their 49ers finery. One of the members, Frank M, asked the members of the Booster Club to stand up, and I was proud to be among their number. I wanted to speak, too, but I panic in a public forum, so extemporaneous speaking is not my forte. I don't mind speaking in a one-on-one interview, although sometimes I get nervous in that venue, too.

[Niner Jan]

The guy definitely had issues. He actually had already secured the first spot on the evenings agenda. He stood up in front of the city council and ranted, raved, made accusations, suggested council members and/or members of SC PD had assualted him and he wanted to know who was going to pay for the scratch on his car.......

I'm afraid to say, from snickers and comments I heard in the crowd, he appeared to be a local, and a regular visitor to the council chambers. It was rather sad. What is even more sad is how his baseless ranting and raving sort of resembled some of the things I've read in here.

Even though Mayor Mahan had recommended no audience reaction between speakers (so the meeting would not lengthen interminably), there was a muffled booing after that looney finished ranting. He was a very closed-minded person who can't be budged from his soap-box of ignorance--much like some others who simply won't listen to reason or facts from others, for fear they might find themselves boxed into their corner of prejudged ideas--otherwise known as prejudice.

The most salient reminder of the evening was the fact that the 49ers had their humble start in Santa Clara under Buck Shaw, first coach of the 49ers. That was a big HIT in favor of a SC 49ers Stadium. 3 cheers for that speaker!

I got to meet Lloyd LaCuesta of TV, as well as David Pollack of the Merck. All in all, it was one of the best birthday events of my senior years!

Mayor Mahan was a great leader of the City Council. She had a keen wit and caused many bubbles of laughter throughout the assembly. Another woman to the fore!

[BrielleSF]

I'm with you on both your points.

[BrielleSF]

I'll believe the Yorks can get a stadium built when I see a shovel in the dirt.

I'm still waiting to see if they can run a successful football franchise.
I'm with you on both your points.

[BrielleSF]

While I laud your attempt at critical thinking, I'm afraid I do not share your opinion. A professional firm was utilized to conduct the poll. It's not like someone's Uncle Louie picked up his cell phone and asked a few people some questions.

If you read the entire article you might gain a better understanding of the nature of the survey and what it suggests. Your exaggeration of the facts by proclaiming the survey stated "all voters support the stadium" suggest to me that you may have some other agenda you wish to promote. Please, go right ahead and do your thing. But perhaps you'll have more luck expressing yourself by describing your agenda in a positive fashion rather than presenting it as simply a negative view point of others....
I really don't care if a professional firm conducted the poll. It doesn't matter who conducts one, they are in their very nature SKEWED simply by the way they are designed and conducted. Most polls that are conducted are done by professional organizations. That does not make them accurate.

I actually did read the entire article in full (yesterday before I made any of these posts) and yes it sounds promising. But you must understand that people's attitudes change, especially when questions go from theoretical to detailed. This whole stadium thing right now is not set in stone. Santa Clara has gone down this road many times before and have never actually made it to a place where a stadium has been built. The devil is in the details they say so let's see how people of the city and county of Santa Clara feel when the details of the feasibility study are released. If the 49er organization can do what they say and not go to the city and voters with a tax increase to help finance then yes I will be much more likely to believe the results of the poll. But, if the team finds they cannot build without the city using some taxpayer money, results of your poll could drastically change. That is all I was ever trying to state.

Now in terms of respecting your different opinion, I do. I recognize that we all feel differently about this move. If you have seen my other posts you will know that I make no secret of the fact that I do not support taking the team out of San Francisco, for many reasons. It is not my desire to attack people who feel differently than me but to stand up and speak for those like me who feel the team should not leave. We do exist you know. Not all fans support this move, and yes I am a LIFETIME fan. I have had season tickets in my family for almost 60 years now and have been attending games for 25 of my 31 years of life.

[Fromthe3rdRow]

I really don't care if a professional firm conducted the poll. It doesn't matter who conducts one, they are in their very nature SKEWED simply by the way they are designed and conducted. Most polls that are conducted are done by professional organizations. That does not make them accurate.

I actually did read the entire article in full (yesterday before I made any of these posts) and yes it sounds promising. But you must understand that people's attitudes change, especially when questions go from theoretical to detailed. This whole stadium thing right now is not set in stone. Santa Clara has gone down this road many times before and have never actually made it to a place where a stadium has been built. The devil is in the details they say so let's see how people of the city and county of Santa Clara feel when the details of the feasibility study are released. If the 49er organization can do what they say and not go to the city and voters with a tax increase to help finance then yes I will be much more likely to believe the results of the poll. But, if the team finds they cannot build without the city using some taxpayer money, results of your poll could drastically change. That is all I was ever trying to state.

Now in terms of respecting your different opinion, I do. I recognize that we all feel differently about this move. If you have seen my other posts you will know that I make no secret of the fact that I do not support taking the team out of San Francisco, for many reasons. It is not my desire to attack people who feel differently than me but to stand up and speak for those like me who feel the team should not leave. We do exist you know. Not all fans support this move, and yes I am a LIFETIME fan. I have had season tickets in my family for almost 60 years now and have been attending games for 25 of my 31 years of life.Excellent!!!!:doubleup: Rational discourse, a little substantiation of your opinion - Now we got something to talk about!!!

I'm sorry if I seemed harsh earlier, but there have been posters who come here to simply bash someone elses opinion without taking the time to explain their own. Rather than be a positive force in explaining their own point of view, it seems their only reason for existance was to be a negative reflection of everyone else. IMHO, thas is not only frustrating, but a waste of bandwidth on a message board.

So - where to start? Do we debate the validity of the survey process? (We could, but that is off topic to this discussion.) Do we debate the possibility that public opinion may shift? (No need - I agree that is a possibility.) Perhaps you can give us a better idea as to why you oppose the plan for a new stadium. There are many of us who do not understand that position. Perhaps you can help us achieve a better understanding of the issue. Are you interested in helping us out? I know I would be very interested in hearing a rational discussion of why this is a bad plan. I have spent too much time reading the non-rational. It would be a refreshing change.

[BrielleSF]

Well, I will be the first to admit that my feelings are rooted in nostalgia for the team that I grew up watching and for the city that I grew up loving and still love to this day. To me there is no better place on earth than the SF Bay Area and no city greater than San Francisco. Rather than retype my position I will copy and paste what I wrote on another post here as I think it's a start at understanding where I come from:

Balance people, balance
Hi. I'm new to the boards but an old time 49er fan. I recently joined the boards because I was tired of reading post after post of how this stadium debacle is all San Francisco's fault. It is my understanding that things fell apart because BOTH SIDES made mistakes. I am suspiscious of both sides and feel honsetly that it is EVERYONE'S fault! The Yorks had a $100 million bond measure waiting for them when they took over the team. Why didn't they use it? Why did it take until 2004 for the city and the Yorks to get serious about discussing the stadium again?

My family has held season tickets for 4 generations now. My great uncle was a controller for the 49ers when they started at Kezar. He and my grandfather began going to games then and the tickets have been passed down through our family ever since. Now that my dad stopped going, my brother and I share the tickets for the season. As someone who attends 4-5 games/year I understand better than most the need for a new stadium. The Stick is in dire need of some help. It's a dive to say the least. However, I also am a loyal fan to the team AND to the City of San Francisco. To me the team and the city have gone hand in hand for 60 years now. Separating the two after all this time would be a sad day to say the least.

Also I would like to say that had the Yorks taken better care to prepare fans for their announcement, it might have been met with less resistance. This newest issue is one in a long line of incidents that has occurred since the Yorks have taken ownership of the team that have isolated and angered longtime 49er fans. Forgive me if I like many other 49er and San Francisco faithful are incredibly mistrustful and angry at how they have handled our beloved team.

49er faithful fan and resident of San francisco

I will add that the 49ers need a new stadium. But, I just feel that everything should be done to keep the team in SF and this has not happened. Also I may be misinformed and please correct me if I am wrong, but I am angered that the Yorks are giving concessions to Santa Clara that were not given to San Francisco. Such as, why are the Yorks all the sudden willing to invest their own money? Part of the reason things were so difficult in SF was that the Yorks wanted the stadium built but were unwilling to put up their own money for the deal. Now all the sudden they will? This is one of the many things that bothers me and yes as a lover and resident of SF I feel cheated.

Now I'm sure I could say more but I'll leave it at that for now. If you have any questions feel free to ask and I'd be more than happy to explain. Also If I am misinformed, please correct me!

[Eng74]

Well, I will be the first to admit that my feelings are rooted in nostalgia for the team that I grew up watching and for the city that I grew up loving and still love to this day. To me there is no better place on earth than the SF Bay Area and no city greater than San Francisco. Rather than retype my position I will copy and paste what I wrote on another post here as I think it's a start at understanding where I come from:

Balance people, balance
Hi. I'm new to the boards but an old time 49er fan. I recently joined the boards because I was tired of reading post after post of how this stadium debacle is all San Francisco's fault. It is my understanding that things fell apart because BOTH SIDES made mistakes. I am suspiscious of both sides and feel honsetly that it is EVERYONE'S fault! The Yorks had a $100 million bond measure waiting for them when they took over the team. Why didn't they use it? Why did it take until 2004 for the city and the Yorks to get serious about discussing the stadium again?

My family has held season tickets for 4 generations now. My great uncle was a controller for the 49ers when they started at Kezar. He and my grandfather began going to games then and the tickets have been passed down through our family ever since. Now that my dad stopped going, my brother and I share the tickets for the season. As someone who attends 4-5 games/year I understand better than most the need for a new stadium. The Stick is in dire need of some help. It's a dive to say the least. However, I also am a loyal fan to the team AND to the City of San Francisco. To me the team and the city have gone hand in hand for 60 years now. Separating the two after all this time would be a sad day to say the least.

Also I would like to say that had the Yorks taken better care to prepare fans for their announcement, it might have been met with less resistance. This newest issue is one in a long line of incidents that has occurred since the Yorks have taken ownership of the team that have isolated and angered longtime 49er fans. Forgive me if I like many other 49er and San Francisco faithful are incredibly mistrustful and angry at how they have handled our beloved team.

49er faithful fan and resident of San francisco

I will add that the 49ers need a new stadium. But, I just feel that everything should be done to keep the team in SF and this has not happened. Also I may be misinformed and please correct me if I am wrong, but I am angered that the Yorks are giving concessions to Santa Clara that were not given to San Francisco. Such as, why are the Yorks all the sudden willing to invest their own money? Part of the reason things were so difficult in SF was that the Yorks wanted the stadium built but were unwilling to put up their own money for the deal. Now all the sudden they will? This is one of the many things that bothers me and yes as a lover and resident of SF I feel cheated.

Now I'm sure I could say more but I'll leave it at that for now. If you have any questions feel free to ask and I'd be more than happy to explain. Also If I am misinformed, please correct me!

No the Yorks are willing to use their money on a project in SF. Part of the problem with the city is they want the 49ers to do all of the improvements for the light rail, freeway and all the stuff that goes with it. In a way the 49ers dropped the ball with the messures that were passed years ago. On the other hand the word was that if they went to use the moneys from those messures it was going to go to courts. Since you are a long time San Franciscin you know that the Stick was built on the old City dump for the Giants. Think how much time and money it take to make that area ready to build on with all of todays earthquake standards. By the way the Yorks did tell everyone when they made the announcment earlier this year that if things did not work out in SF that they had the back up of Santa Clara. The City did a lot to help the Giants get their stadium and they should have worked to where the 49ers got a place across the cove from ATT Park (is that the name still?) at the time and that was everyones loss. If you live in the City you know how much more everything costs more there so you can guess how much more the stadium will cost to be built there. I think part of the problem is Mr. Newsom wants all of the land for his buddy to make a "South Beach/ Santa Row" time deal with Candlestick Point and not have some stadium taking up too much of the land.

[CSULB49er]

I absolutely understand the PURPOSE of polling. What I am saying is that they are hardly ever an accurate representation of what people really think. It is false reporting to state that because the paper spoke to 400 people who live in Santa Clara, that all voters support the building of the stadium. Of course it is not possible to speak to the entire city, but you can have the "survey" or "poll" speak to at least 1% of the population. Do the math. 400/100000=0.004%.
Wow, for someone as condescending as yourself, calling out the other posters to "do the math," you fumbled the ball on this one.

400/100000 is .4%, not .004%.

[Niner Jan]

I will add that the 49ers need a new stadium. But, I just feel that everything should be done to keep the team in SF and this has not happened. Also I may be misinformed and please correct me if I am wrong, but I am angered that the Yorks are giving concessions to Santa Clara that were not given to San Francisco. Such as, why are the Yorks all the sudden willing to invest their own money? Part of the reason things were so difficult in SF was that the Yorks wanted the stadium built but were unwilling to put up their own money for the deal. Now all the sudden they will?

Just because the first 60 years saw the team playing in SF does not mean that it can't improve stadium offerings to its fans the next 60! Candlestick is the worst stadium in the NFL; the infrastructure is terrible--that's what the City of SF was dragging its feet over the past decade and why the 49ers did not take further action to rebuild a new stadium there. There is NO WAY that the road access into the stadium (and out) can be improved without building new roads, and SF is not about to do that. The bathroom facilities were abominable at the stadium, etc. The Yorks tried to get action out of the SF politicians, but they never came through with corrections.

Now these same politicians want to hoist Hunter's Point, site of the old Naval Yard, upon the 49ers as an alternate. The land is so polluted from the Navy and the City would stymie the 49ers stadiium with continued promises to clean it up, meanwhile delaying the stadium even further.

Memories will always belong to the 49ers' fans--no matter where the team plays. But that doesn't mean that our fans have to continue to live in the slums of a stadium, ranked LAST among the NFL playing arenas.

Please try to understand the wisdom behind building in a better location. Sometimes you have to try to give up sentimental reasons for rational, practical reasons.

I continue to hold on to the thought that one speaker shared last night, that the roots of the 49ers go back to Santa Clara University where Buck Shaw went to college and who was the first coach of the 49ers. So, Santa Clara also has claims to the beginnings of the 49ers.

******

Yes, that was my picture in the Mercury News this morning! I was interviewed by KGO Ch 7 before the meeting started, and the camera man and interviewer was looking at the back of my shirt (a picture of me with the 5 Lombardi Trophies and my Niner Jan name beneath it).

I made a new friend last night from Ch 7; the interviewer is new to the Bay Area, so I'll probably see him again from time to time at the 49ers place!

[Niner Jan]

CSULB49er

Actually, people get confused with decimals and percents. I used to teach junior high math, and this is a difficult concept for most people.

400/100,000 = .004 which can also be written as .4%
(The error was in using BOTH the decimal and the percent sign.)

.004 is NOT the same as .004%.

[AlexSmith5rings]

nevermind i was wrong

[AlexSmith5rings]

Just because the first 60 years saw the team playing in SF does not mean that it can't improve stadium offerings to its fans the next 60! Candlestick is the worst stadium in the NFL; the infrastructure is terrible--that's what the City of SF was dragging its feet over the past decade and why the 49ers did not take further action to rebuild a new stadium there. There is NO WAY that the road access into the stadium (and out) can be improved without building new roads, and SF is not about to do that. The bathroom facilities were abominable at the stadium, etc. The Yorks tried to get action out of the SF politicians, but they never came through with corrections.

Now these same politicians want to hoist Hunter's Point, site of the old Naval Yard, upon the 49ers as an alternate. The land is so polluted from the Navy and the City would stymie the 49ers stadiium with continued promises to clean it up, meanwhile delaying the stadium even further.

Memories will always belong to the 49ers' fans--no matter where the team plays. But that doesn't mean that our fans have to continue to live in the slums of a stadium, ranked LAST among the NFL playing arenas.

Please try to understand the wisdom behind building in a better location. Sometimes you have to try to give up sentimental reasons for rational, practical reasons.

I continue to hold on to the thought that one speaker shared last night, that the roots of the 49ers go back to Santa Clara University where Buck Shaw went to college and who was the first coach of the 49ers. So, Santa Clara also has claims to the beginnings of the 49ers.

Do you want them to change their to the Santa Clara 49ers as well? You seem to resent everything about SF including their history in SF.

[Niner Jan]

No AlexSmith5rings,

You need to whip out your calculator. If you divide 100,000 by 400, you will get the answer 0.004--NOT 0.004%. I've tried to tell you that .004 is not the same as .004%. If you don't believe a math teacher, then that's your problem.

And I've already answered the other point. The franchise owns the name of the SF 49ers and it is not going to change. The 49ers Organization has stated it clearly that it will not change its name, to which it has a legal right.

What can I say to get you to see the truth?

*****

The memories belong to the TEAM--and not the physical location of the City of SF, where it happened to play its games.

Are you going to call the team the KEZAR 49ers because it played there until 1971?

If not, why would you change the name to the Santa Clara 49ers...or any other city designation because it plays there? The city of Santa Clara is still in the SF BAY AREA! And the name of the team is still going to be the same, the SF 49ers.

Your arguments are pitifully porous...

[Fromthe3rdRow]

Do you want them to change their to the Santa Clara 49ers as well? You seem to resent everything about SF including their history in SF.I still fail to see why people insist on trying to scare others into believing the Niners are going to change their name.

The team has repeatedly stated they have no plans to change the name. The name is trademarked and belongs to the team. Why on earth would they want to change it?

[CSULB49er]

CSULB49er

Actually, people get confused with decimals and percents. I used to teach junior high math, and this is a difficult concept for most people.

400/100,000 = .004 which can also be written as .4%
(The error was in using BOTH the decimal and the percent sign.)

.004 is NOT the same as .004%.
I'm an engineer.

I stated exactly what you restated in this post.

[Fromthe3rdRow]

...I will add that the 49ers need a new stadium. But, I just feel that everything should be done to keep the team in SF and this has not happened. Also I may be misinformed and please correct me if I am wrong, but I am angered that the Yorks are giving concessions to Santa Clara that were not given to San Francisco. Such as, why are the Yorks all the sudden willing to invest their own money? Part of the reason things were so difficult in SF was that the Yorks wanted the stadium built but were unwilling to put up their own money for the deal. Now all the sudden they will? This is one of the many things that bothers me and yes as a lover and resident of SF I feel cheated.

Now I'm sure I could say more but I'll leave it at that for now. If you have any questions feel free to ask and I'd be more than happy to explain. Also If I am misinformed, please correct me!Thank you! Rational debate can be much more beneficial to everyone. I recall reading your original post. It was well done. So now lets get down to the business of sharing information.

If I recall correctly, the original city initiative to create a $100 M bond just barely passed, with a tremendous amount of rancour and debate from both sides. I seem to recall a few accusations tossed at Mayor Brown for helping to "fix" the results in the team's favor. As another poster noted, lawsuits were expected should the team ever attempted to spend it. When the York's renewed the call for replacing Candlestick, I recall they mentioned the old bond was off the table. I believe planning to move forward without it was a way avoid unnecessary delays.

The Yorks have never refused to use their own money for the Candlestick plan. They have said they were prepared to make "a significant" investment. However, the plan collapsed when the city also expected them to pay for the necessary improvements to site infrastructure as well as pay to modify the stadium to accomodate the Olympics. I don't recall the cost of the Olympic add on - but I did read the infrastructure changes would DOUBLE the entire cost of the project. I am not surprised the Yorks backed away from the deal when the city put it's hand out for an ADDITIONAL $800 million dollars.

Hope that helps. I'm sure there are other posters who can help clear up any other misunderstandings you might have. I imagine as a resident of San Francisco, the information available to you may have a slight bias .....

For example, the SF television stations are still trying to characterize this whole issue as an attempt to "move" the team, those causing a few unstable individuals to conclude the Yorks are "stealing" the team. The team IS NOT MOVING. They are simply attempting to get a new stadium built in the best possible location. It's really that simple.

[Niner Jan]

AlexSmith5rings,

I want an answer to my question in big bold font, 2 posts back.

Niner Jan

And no, I don't hate everything about SF. I think that SF has beautiful scenery. It's the politicians in office now (especially) who are causing the 49ers all this havoc and heartache. They have done nothing to improve the stadium infrastructure that has been in bad condition for a long time. Now they are badmouthing the franchise because they will be losing revenue when the team stops playing in SF and plays elsewhere.

Gavin Newsom (more like NUISANCE) has angrily tried to turn all the state and national senators from CA against the 49ers. Why should 49er Faithful fans put up with that. Senator Feinstein and Senator Migden are doing as much harm as they can to our belove franchise by trying to pass state and national legislation preventing our team from playing anywhere outside of the jurisdiction of the city of SF. And fans are going to approve of that? If Senator Migden's SB49 passed, that would mean our 49ers could not play within 100 miles outside of the City of SF--which would FORCE them to play outside the Bay Area all the way to God knows where.

The 49ers are a private enterprise and the City of SF and its politicians cannot tell them where to take its business. They cannot forbid the 49ers where to play in their new stadium. They are just trying to be SPOILERS because the franchise has put up with enough delay from the City of SF. The mayor is acting like a spoiled child!

I don't resent anything about the memories of the 49ers from having played until now--be it at Kezar or Candlestick--so stop trying to twist my words. The memories will always belong to the franchise of the 49ers, no matter where their stadium is located.

So, get your facts straight!

[Fromthe3rdRow]

I'm an engineer.

I stated exactly what you restated in this post.You are 100% correct.

However, her description was easier to understand by those of us who are NOT engineers.....

Sorry, but I'm not afraid to admit I'm mathematically challenged...:fishing:

[CSULB49er]

You are 100% correct.

However, her description was easier to understand by those of us who are NOT engineers.....

Sorry, but I'm not afraid to admit I'm mathematically challenged...:fishing:
yeah, i'd make a horrible teacher. :laugh:

i have a very difficult time explaining concepts or even really basic stuff like the percentage error i pointed out.

[Niner Jan]

The Yorks have never refused to use their own money for the Candlestick plan. They have said they were prepared to make "a significant" investment. However, the plan collapsed when the city also expected them to pay for the necessary improvements to site infrastructure as well as pay to modify the stadium to accomodate the Olympics. I don't recall the cost of the Olympic add on - but I did read the infrastructure changes would DOUBLE the entire cost of the project. I am not surprised the Yorks backed away from the deal when the city put it's hand out for an ADDITIONAL $800 million dollars.

Thank you for pointing that out, Fred. I meant to write something about the Yorks paying for the new stadium idea a while back and strayed from my point. Of course, the owners intend to invest a huge amount of $$$ into a new stadium.

In fact, the NFL will match the owners' coontribution with a certain amount of millions. This was mentioned again last night at the City Council meeting. I had heard the amount would be as high as $130 million, but Lal Heneghan or one of the other Executive speakers from the 49ers quoted the max as being $180 million.

So, I was wrong again! Oh well...You learn something new every day, they say.

[Fromthe3rdRow]

yeah, i'd make a horrible teacher. :laugh:

i have a very difficult time explaining concepts or even really basic stuff like the percentage error i pointed out.Hey, at least you were willing to try!

Thanks for trying to assist those of us who struggle with decimal points and percentages. (And Thank goodness for Calculators!!!)

[Fromthe3rdRow]

Fountain of misinformation? Niner Jan? :backsout:Ahh, Nolan .... thanks for adding something useful to this thread...

[CSULB49er]

Hey, at least you were willing to try!

Thanks for trying to assist those of us who struggle with decimal points and percentages. (And Thank goodness for Calculators!!!)
I can't do basic math anymore, it's quicker to use a calculator. Ask me to multiply or divide anything, other than easy numbers, and it'll take me several minutes. :laugh:

To stay somewhat on topic, I think this meeting would've been interesting to attend, if not to show support, to get a different perspective on the burocratic side of the stadium.

Since I live so far away, the distance issue is completely irrelevant to me. Driving 5.5 hours instead of 6 makes no difference. The team has it's history in SF, and I think the mayor knows this, and is using it to try to strong arm the team into financing the stadium and necessary renovations.

Due to the fact that the city of SF is being irrational and uncooperative, the Santa Clara proposal would a better choice. The transportation structure is already in place, and renovations to the area would be minimal. This should minimize the costs of building the stadium.

It's not like the team is moving to Sacramento, or Bakersfield...they're still in the San Francisco Bay Area.


And this is officially my longest post ever. :laugh:

[Fromthe3rdRow]

I can't do basic math anymore, it's quicker to use a calculator. Ask me to multiply or divide anything, other than easy numbers, and it'll take me several minutes. :laugh:

To stay somewhat on topic, I think this meeting would've been interesting to attend, if not to show support, to get a different perspective on the burocratic side of the stadium.

Since I live so far away, the distance issue is completely irrelevant to me. Driving 5.5 hours instead of 6 makes no difference. The team has it's history in SF, and I think the mayor knows this, and is using it to try to strong arm the team into financing the stadium and necessary renovations.

Due to the fact that the city of SF is being irrational and uncooperative, the Santa Clara proposal would a better choice. The transportation structure is already in place, and renovations to the area would be minimal. This should minimize the costs of building the stadium.

It's not like the team is moving to Sacramento, or Bakersfield...they're still in the San Francisco Bay Area.


And this is officially my longest post ever. :laugh: Well, sometimes it takes a little more space to make an intelligent comment or observation. Anyone can post a derogatory one liner. That takes no effort.

I for one appreciate your effort to contribute to this discussion!

[BrielleSF]

[QUOTE=Niner Jan]

"Gavin Newsom (more like NUISANCE) has angrily tried to turn all the state and national senators from CA against the 49ers."

I don't think Newsom did anything to turn the state and national senators from CA against the 49ers. I think the Yorks did that all on their own by the way they chose to handle the announcement of the move. They upset everyone from the city all the way up without Newsom having to strongarm anyone.

[BrielleSF]

Thank you! Rational debate can be much more beneficial to everyone. I recall reading your original post. It was well done. So now lets get down to the business of sharing information.

If I recall correctly, the original city initiative to create a $100 M bond just barely passed, with a tremendous amount of rancour and debate from both sides. I seem to recall a few accusations tossed at Mayor Brown for helping to "fix" the results in the team's favor. As another poster noted, lawsuits were expected should the team ever attempted to spend it. When the York's renewed the call for replacing Candlestick, I recall they mentioned the old bond was off the table. I believe planning to move forward without it was a way avoid unnecessary delays.

The Yorks have never refused to use their own money for the Candlestick plan. They have said they were prepared to make "a significant" investment. However, the plan collapsed when the city also expected them to pay for the necessary improvements to site infrastructure as well as pay to modify the stadium to accomodate the Olympics. I don't recall the cost of the Olympic add on - but I did read the infrastructure changes would DOUBLE the entire cost of the project. I am not surprised the Yorks backed away from the deal when the city put it's hand out for an ADDITIONAL $800 million dollars.

Hope that helps. I'm sure there are other posters who can help clear up any other misunderstandings you might have. I imagine as a resident of San Francisco, the information available to you may have a slight bias .....

For example, the SF television stations are still trying to characterize this whole issue as an attempt to "move" the team, those causing a few unstable individuals to conclude the Yorks are "stealing" the team. The team IS NOT MOVING. They are simply attempting to get a new stadium built in the best possible location. It's really that simple.
Your welcome fromthethirdrow and thank you for your information. It helps to have things clarified and I have no problem being corrected if I am wrong. I too believe that it is much better to have civil discourse than to throw accusations back and forth.

[sandiegojoe]

I don't think Newsom did anything to turn the state and national senators from CA against the 49ers. I think the Yorks did that all on their own by the way they chose to handle the announcement of the move. They upset everyone from the city all the way up without Newsom having to strongarm anyone.

Newsome clearly got aggressive after York got tired of playing games with him. He's got a lot of influence and he put it to use. York had all he could take. The city has monkeyed around with him long enough, and York made a clear statement that he didn't need the City of SF.

Now this could have been beneficial (and possibly still could be, if Gavin gets his act together and presents a better alternative)

At some point though.. Newsome needs to grow up. For him to match the benefits of the santa clara site with a site in san francisco, it's gonna cost the city of SF millions in environmental cleanups, public transportation, road widening, etc... He's gonna have to make the offer more economically appealing to the team, and that's tough.

Now a real man, must admit when he can't offer something. Newsome CAN'T beat the City of Santa Clara's offer with the existing plans. He'd have to accelerate cleanup at hunters point in a huge way, and it would have to cost SF taxpayers a lot of money, and they wouldn't be willing to do it.

Simply put, if he can't come up with a better option for the team, he needs to let it go. No whining, no bullying the team with senators and state bills. Just accept your limitations and don't hold a grudge for something you couldn't control.

It's too late for Newsome. The Yorks gave him years to get it right, and he blew the only opportunity he had.

[49erFanFoLife]

ok ok thx for the news!

[Niner Jan]

Sandiegojoe,

Excellent post! I couldn't have said it better, myself in reply to the following quote:

I don't think Newsom did anything to turn the state and national senators from CA against the 49ers. I think the Yorks did that all on their own by the way they chose to handle the announcement of the move. They upset everyone from the city all the way up without Newsom having to strongarm anyone.

You BET Newsom twisted a few arms to stir up controversy against the 49ers!
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