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[standup49er]

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/11/10/SPGS6MADL04.DTL

Make it happen!

[49erAddiction]

Hey I would like to see it happen, but its win win either way. A new stadium a few miles down the road is just fine with me. And a new stadium at the Stick would be awesome too...

[NinerRider]

Hmm, maybe it was a bargaining ploy for some leverage afterall. haha, then all this back and forth I've been doing has been worthless! Politics!

[Hopper15]

Dam prayer works

[noid49er]

I would like to see the niners move to SC only because of the traffic mess to get in and out of Monster Park...

[49ers1]

I actually got excited about moving to Santa Clara.

[Hopper15]

I actually got excited about moving to Santa Clara.

Not so fast :ok:

[carloscbs5]

Sen. Feinstein making them get back to negotiations:
http://cbs5.com/sports/local_story_314150412.html

[photomonkey]

Not so fast :ok:

It ain't over 'til it's over. :flex: I just love the drama!!!

[sandiegojoe]

Lol, they must have realized that York really was ready to walk away from their nonsense. Maybe they came here and realized the fans didn't car either. :lol: Keep up the good work York!

[TopHat]

I hope to God it doesn't happen. The Niners need to move to SC.

[Qberto49]

What a mess! But it doesn't surprise me. I didn't think the city of San Francisco was going to let this go without a fight.

[A187]

hopefully they stay in SF, but where? because York has said he will not build at the candlestick point location. where else would he build it, hunters?

[NONAME]

York doing his best business move yet!!!

Good stuff

[FODY]

"My reaction is that anything the two cities -- San Francisco and Santa Clara -- anything the two of our cities can do to keep the 49ers in the Bay Area is great," Mahan said. "That's the most important thing to me, to make sure the 49ers have an appropriate home in the greater San Francisco Bay Area, so that there will always be a San Francisco 49ers."


"To me, the 49ers have always been looking at both of the sites very seriously," Mahan said. "I'm sure it's going to end up being a decision based on multiple factors, including the economics of the situation and the feasibility of the two sites and, most importantly, the game day experience for the fans."

"The 49ers are going to make their decision on what's best for the fans and what best for the team," Mahan said. "As long as they're staying in the Bay Area, that's what's most important to me."
Mayor Mahan gets it. Nice to see she's not acting like a little b**ch like Newsom...

[Dynastic]

Now we can pretty much kiss the Candlestick site goodbye. Rock on!

They wouldn't be resuming talks right now unless the Candlestick proposal is completely destroyed.

[Hopper15]

Downtown SF :whistling:

[Dynastic]

Downtown SF :whistling:

I'm thinking China Basin, right next to AT&T Park. Plenty of lot space.

[Hopper15]

I'm thinking China Basin, right next to AT&T Park. Plenty of lot space.

That's fine with me

[LOS41510]

God i hope they stay in san francisco. i mean i got nothing wrong with the santa clara area, BUT! whats the niners without san francisco. it has no taste to say san francisco 49ers in santa clara! thats like calling the angels the LOS ANGELES ANGELS OF ANAHIEM.. its a stupid name.. second off. were helping a community that was in dier need of repairs, im talking about the bayview hunterspoint which some dont obviuosly care cause they care about money. and yeah

LOS

OOHH!!!!!!!!!

[Dynastic]

"They're moving ahead with Santa Clara, but I think they're going to listen to San Francisco," Santa Clara Vice Mayor Kevin Moore said after learning from a 49ers team official about the meeting in Feinstein's office. "I think we're in the top spot now."

Moore said he was even more confident Friday than he was earlier in the week about the team calling Santa Clara home.

Pelosi gets involved, York stands firm in meeting with Feinstein, click here for more... (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/11/11/STADIUM.TMP)

[CDBrisc]

Nancy Pelosi ! I hope they move to Santa Clara just to make her upset! :falldownlaugh:

[J77Niner4Life]

"Anything the two of our cities can do to keep the 49ers in the Bay Area is great," Mahan said. "That's the most important thing to me, to make sure the 49ers have an appropriate home in the greater San Francisco Bay Area, so that there will always be a San Francisco 49ers."

Santa Clara Mayor Patricia Mahan is my hero. :wub:

[TopHat]

God i hope they stay in san francisco. i mean i got nothing wrong with the santa clara area, BUT! whats the niners without san francisco. it has no taste to say san francisco 49ers in santa clara! thats like calling the angels the LOS ANGELES ANGELS OF ANAHIEM.. its a stupid name.. second off. were helping a community that was in dier need of repairs, im talking about the bayview hunterspoint which some dont obviuosly care cause they care about money. and yeah

LOS

OOHH!!!!!!!!!

We already say San Francisco 49ers in Santa Clara. Cause that's where they've been based out of for many years.

[giants49ergurl]

I'm thinking China Basin, right next to AT&T Park. Plenty of lot space.
the giants and the 49ers in the same area...I like it

[LOS41510]

TOPHAT

there base ( headquarters ) has been there since the 80's. niners been in frisco since 46. do the math and i've read some of ure posts. DONT TRASH MY HOMECITY foo! ghetto ha what do you know bout ghetto. the area where the niners play now is plagued through bad times. York just wants Santa Clara for more of his greedy a## money and if he does get it, we'd still be a sh@##y team. dont always trust youre man york. and either way we'll see sunday man.

GIANTS49erGURL im with you. plus think bout it. easier access to the games. it aint enought land thought since that area is being taken by UCSF ( University California San Francisco ) for there research labs and facilities... but love the idea

LOS

YEE!!! NINERS 4 LIFE BLOOD!!

[TopHat]

TOPHAT

there base ( headquarters ) has been there since the 80's. niners been in frisco since 46. do the math and i've read some of ure posts. DONT TRASH MY HOMECITY foo! ghetto ha what do you know bout ghetto. the area where the niners play now is plagued through bad times. York just wants Santa Clara for more of his greedy a## money and if he does get it, we'd still be a sh@##y team. dont always trust youre man york. and either way we'll see sunday man.

GIANTS49erGURL im with you. plus think bout it. easier access to the games. it aint enought land thought since that area is being taken by UCSF ( University California San Francisco ) for there research labs and facilities... but love the idea

LOS

YEE!!! NINERS 4 LIFE BLOOD!!

Do you want to start a bash now? What are you a raider fan? I'm a Faithful Niner fan and I prefer to keep the ghetto talk in Oakland. But if you'd like it to head in that direction I have no problem with that either.

[LOS41510]

Do you want to start a bash now? What are you a raider fan? I'm a Faithful Niner fan and I prefer to keep the ghetto talk in Oakland. But if you'd like it to head in that direction I have no problem with that either.

F#$k no i aint no raiders fan. Im a diehard faithful, not a fake showboating failures fan. I love my blood and gold man. and hey you started to bash SCO man. thats why i brought it up.

LOS

NINERS FAN 4 Life

[TopHat]

F#$k no i aint no raiders fan. Im a diehard faithful, not a fake showboating failures fan. I love my blood and gold man. and hey you started to bash SCO man. thats why i brought it up.

LOS

NINERS FAN 4 Life

Only cause people were bashing San Jose/Santa Clara. Eye for an eye man. But I'm right there with you. Die-hard Niner fan and I will be 'til the day I die. I don't care how many games they win or who the coach is. The Niners and their fans have class and I respect that more then anything.

[LOS41510]

Same here. gonna be at the stick for the Jerry rice game.. and im assuming that ill see the following

- Throwback jerseys of rice and others of diehard niners fans. i'll be there early!!

- Petitions to keep the niners in SCO. BTW, i signed one that was online earlier

and

- RICE " flash 80" himself doing his magic one more time

so yeah if anything got my new cam phone to see what kinda of pix imma take of him and others! man btw, ITS BEEN HECKA Loong since i been to santa clara and great america. last time i went there was i think when drop zone was in its 2nd year. lol! miss that place but i was kid back then so yeah..

LOS

if they move they move, if they stay they stay.. p.s. FELLOW NINERS FANS including top hat ( btw, cool myspace man ) ask me this

IF THE FAILURES HAVE RAIDER IMAGE and the falcons have " FALCONS360 ", WHY DONT WE HAVE A NINERS BASE SHOP?? WOULD MAKE MONEY and create a grander fan base??

[TopHat]

Same here. gonna be at the stick for the Jerry rice game.. and im assuming that ill see the following

- Throwback jerseys of rice and others

- Petitions to keep the niners in SCO. BTW, i signed one that was online earlier

and

- RICE " flash 80" himself doing his magic one more time

so yeah if anything got my new cam phone to see what kinda of pix imma take of him and others! man btw, ITS BEEN HECKA Loong since i been to santa clara and great america. last time i went there was i think when drop zone was in its 2nd year. lol! miss that place but i was kid back then so yeah..

LOS

if they move they move, if they stay they stay.. p.s. FELLOW NINERS FANS including top hat ask me this

IF THE FAILURES HAVE RAIDER IMAGE, WHY DONT WE HAVE A NINERS BASE SHOP?? WOULD MAKE MONEY??

Great America isn't as fun as it used to be. The price went up and the fun went down. Isn't that the way it usually is though?
I agree we should have a Niners store. Why the hell do the Raiders get one? I think the Raiders store should include a Bad Boy's Bail Bonds business card with each transaction. :thud:

[LOS41510]

Great America isn't as fun as it used to be. The price went up and the fun went down. Isn't that the way it usually is though?
I agree we should have a Niners store. Why the hell do the Raiders get one? I think the Raiders store should include a Bad Boy's Bail Bonds business card with each transaction. :thud:

LMAO bad boys bail bonds,WHy not? the Eagles have a mini court room in there stadium for there rowdy drunk fans. doesnt take much to be a raiders fan. I know a ton load of them fake mofos in my classroom. i ask them who ted kwalick, jim plunkett, cedrick hardman, earl cooper ( COOP! ), Ronnie lott and jerry rice are and they more than likely know who rice are than the others. shouldnt a failure fan know this by now man?? wow its amazing how they came back and they still @#$@ing bout the super bowl loss to tampax bay?

OAKLAND GET OVER IT!! youre 2nd best to us now.. WIN ONE MAYBE!!

LOS

YEEE!!!

[giants49ergurl]

Great America isn't as fun as it used to be. The price went up and the fun went down. Isn't that the way it usually is though?
It's not any fun anymore. Alot of the theme parks are like that now. I dont know if you know what Marine World is, btu i live in the same town as it, and the last fews years they've jacked the prices up and the park has become boring and sucks

[LOS41510]

It's not any fun anymore. Alot of the theme parks are like that now. I dont know if you know what Marine World is, btu i live in the same town as it, and the last fews years they've jacked the prices up and the park has become boring and sucks

Giants, my sister worked there last summer. they payed her hella low at 6 buxx an hour, the rides are YAWWWN!!! and plus jacked up prices.. stupid corportaions killed the fun. at disneyland, even worse.. 5 buxx for a bottle of coke. homer: <==screw you man! i remember when it was just animals and then they were losing money and six flags took over. my cousin lives down in vallejo and im just a bridge away from it. oh well thats what happens when we lose focus on fun and let companys take over

LOS

" They have chocolate milk now!?!? - Milhouse Van Helton "

[giants49ergurl]

Giants, my sister worked there last summer. they payed her hella low at 6 buxx an hour, the rides are YAWWWN!!! and plus jacked up prices.. stupid corportaions killed the fun. at disneyland, even worse.. 5 buxx for a bottle of coke. homer: <==screw you man! i remember when it was just animals and then they were losing money and six flags took over. my cousin lives down in vallejo and im just a bridge away from it. oh well thats what happens when we lose focus on fun and let companys take over

LOS

" They have chocolate milk now!?!? - Milhouse Van Helton "

Yea. I remember when it was just animals...now it sucks. my best friend works there and gave me free tickets and i still wouldnt go.

[LOS41510]

Yea. I remember when it was just animals...now it sucks. my best friend works there and gave me free tickets and i still wouldnt go.

LOL same here with my sis but she gave it to her friends as she threw the ones that she gave me for us to go into a bon fire in ocean beach! thank god the fire was dying down either way.. i told her she could make more working somewhere else but no oh well she learnd and gain some experience.. one thing i remember when i was a kid was i hated the killer whale. cause man when we use to sit all the way at top.. still get wet

me: it cant get any worse

(( KASPLASH!!!!!)))

ok nevermind i thought to quickly... note: next time ill bring shampoo

LOS

OY!! this place is an oven

[giants49ergurl]

LOL same here with my sis but she gave it to her friends as she threw the ones that she gave me for us to go into a bon fire in ocean beach! thank god the fire was dying down either way.. i told her she could make more working somewhere else but no oh well she learnd and gain some experience.. one thing i remember when i was a kid was i hated the killer whale. cause man when we use to sit all the way at top.. still get wet

me: it cant get any worse

(( KASPLASH!!!!!)))

ok nevermind i thought to quickly... note: next time ill bring shampoo

LOS

OY!! this place is an oven

I love ocean beach. it sucks that they wont let you have bon fires anymore.

[LOS41510]

I love ocean beach. it sucks that they wont let you have bon fires anymore.

i use to live in dc and be 30 minutes away from the beach. last time was there my friends and my sis got wasted. im the designated driver and rarely drink.

my sis friend roque: lets stop at the zoo

me: oh good, you can dance with the gorilla and possible make the sequel " congo 2 "

yeah it does suck but some people try to either way. got some smores from this one girl who was just passing them out at random. love going in the water even though its freezing cold i drag people in.

LOS

NINERS BABY NINERS!!

[giants49ergurl]

i use to live in dc and be 30 minutes away from the beach. last time was there my friends and my sis got wasted. im the designated driver and rarely drink.

my sis friend roque: lets stop at the zoo

me: oh good, you can dance with the gorilla and possible make the sequel " congo 2 "

yeah it does suck but some people try to either way. got some smores from this one girl who was just passing them out at random. love going in the water even though its freezing cold i drag people in.

LOS

NINERS BABY NINERS!!

Yea that beach is awesome. I spent alot of my senior year there. Even prom night! Oh the memories

[LOS41510]

[QUOTE=giants49ergurl]Yea that beach is awesome. I spent alot of my senior year there. Even prom night! Oh the memories[/QUOTE

one of my friends took a piss over there at the beach and his quote was

" HEY MAN YOURE CLOCK DOESNT FLUSH "

my watch had died out and it was a crappy casio watch so i threw it away. plus a group of college kids were burning hella stuff over there on that beach the day i got the smores its crazy they burned furniture, wood, weed, and make it stand like a pole or sumin its crazy but yeah

los

oy!!

[val49erfan]

Nancy Pelosi ! I hope they move to Santa Clara just to make her upset! :falldownlaugh:

Madam Speaker has enough to do right now I think!! Let the local city officials and the owners hash it out. Now that this is such a viable option (santa clara) it is time for SF to put up or shut up.

[AlexSmith5rings]

Pelosi gets involved, York stands firm in meeting with Feinstein, click here for more... (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/11/11/STADIUM.TMP)
so if the 49ers can get a deal done in SF you don't want it to happen?

[Dynastic]

so if the 49ers can get a deal done in SF you don't want it to happen?

I want the Niners to build in China Basin if they are going to build in SF at all. That would be a gorgeous location. Otherwise, they better be ready to bend over backwards and fork over some cash (which Newsom swears he isn't going to do anyway).

This is over. Santa Clara won. Pack your bags.

[AlexSmith5rings]

I want the Niners to build in China Basin if they are going to build in SF at all. That would be a gorgeous location. Otherwise, they better be ready to bend over backwards and fork over some cash (which Newsom swears he isn't going to do anyway).

This is over. Santa Clara won. Pack your bags.
Santa Clara won? They haven't even discussed money yet. Who is to say now that they put pressure on the people in power that this won't get done? Newsom doesn't want to look bad and they will probably end up doing everything to get it done. They are spending money on some unnecessary things and most likely COULD get this deal done. It would be pretty sweet to have the Olympics in the home of the 49ers.

[Dynastic]

Well, for the time being anyway, Santa Clara won. If Santa Clara can't close the deal, chances are another suburb will step up to the plate. York is committed to Santa Clara now and San Francisco would have to start from scratch to give York what he wants.

Hunter's Point has the same problem Candlestick Point had, but China Basin would at least have Bart access, plus a phenomenal location and view, plus plenty of lot space for travelers. York even mentioned China Basin on his video in 49ers.com about the new stadium plans. The onus is on Newsom to find a way to get the Niners near the Giants. If he can't, it's over.

[Giedi]

Madam Speaker has enough to do right now I think!! Let the local city officials and the owners hash it out. Now that this is such a viable option (santa clara) it is time for SF to put up or shut up.

I think she's now one of the most powerful women in the country - probably only the President and Speaker of the Senate are more powerful. She'll do what she needs to do to keep the 49ers in San Francisco. She's a pit bull when it comes down to what she wants.

<shrug>

Giedi

[Giedi]

Well, for the time being anyway, Santa Clara won. If Santa Clara can't close the deal, chances are another suburb will step up to the plate. York is committed to Santa Clara now and San Francisco would have to start from scratch to give York what he wants.

Hunter's Point has the same problem Candlestick Point had, but China Basin would at least have Bart access, plus a phenomenal location and view, plus plenty of lot space for travelers. York even mentioned China Basin on his video in 49ers.com about the new stadium plans. The onus is on Newsom to find a way to get the Niners near the Giants. If he can't, it's over.

I don't think it has to be near the giants. Hunters point is a wonderful place to have the stadium. Yeah the access - as it currently exists - sucks, but that can be aliveated with a well designed traffic plan and access infrastructure.

Again, I can see that Hunters Point being such a GREAT place to go even if there isn't a game going on. Imagine, a nice sail boat facility, restaurants around to go eat after a nice day sailing, perhaps a movie complex to go after dinner. It can be a whole day experience. If we can locate a major anchor tenant there - a Frys in a Westfield type of mall (like the one that just opened in Market street) - it would draw thousands, like Fishermans Warf draws thousands.

Obviously it's not going to happen over night - but following the development of the Hunters Point area, the area to the south of Candlestick point is currently vacant shoreline that can have a lot of Pier 39/Santa Cruz beach and boardwalk kinds of experience.

I mean sure Santa Clara is a great place to build a stadium, no doubt about it. It would be cheaper and the access would probably be hands down better than anything that can be designed in the Hunters Point area -- but shoot. You don't go to San Francisco to find parking, you go to San Francisco to experience the city! You already have great access in Santa Clara and Great America but it isn't the tourist attraction that Pier 39 is, that Fishermans Warf is, with all its attendant traffic, congestion, and access problems. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people STILL go to the Warf and Pier 39 every year - despite all its traffic and parking problems.

Giedi

[Roaring Back]

I want the Niners to build in China Basin if they are going to build in SF at all. That would be a gorgeous location. Otherwise, they better be ready to bend over backwards and fork over some cash (which Newsom swears he isn't going to do anyway).

This is over. Santa Clara won. Pack your bags.

Santa Clara is a pawn, a chess piece. Santa Clara has been through this before, with the A's, Giants, and now the 49ers. Santa Clara is being used...again. Knowing the history, if you think Santa Clara "won" you are very, very, er, blindly optimistic.

[Femmefan]

Ok, the world has literally stopped spinning in the SF Bay Area.
Is the proposed move to Santa Clara an issue for you? Yes or No we want to hear what you have to say.
We want to video record your comments for www.Femmefan.com the web's premier site for women who are avid sports fans, with an average of 2.2 million hits per month.
We will be set up just a few aisles away from you party animals on Sunday 11/19 (Jerry Rice Day).
What better day than that day to voice our Faithful Voices?
Stop by our tailgate to have your comments taped for Femmefan.com. Plus we are also planning a free raffle of some very cool items for those who stop by.
Follow the noise in the main parking lot as you approach Gate A, we are in Section E, Row 7. We have Saloon49 on one side with their gong and outhouse and the Tailgaters at the Stick a few rows away.
Come say hey!
:fortune:

[Dynastic]

Santa Clara is a pawn, a chess piece. Santa Clara has been through this before, with the A's, Giants, and now the 49ers. Santa Clara is being used...again. Knowing the history, if you think Santa Clara "won" you are very, very, er, blindly optimistic.
San Francisco's history as a city government isn't very encouraging for you.

[49erFanFoLife]

haha they better!

[Hopper15]

Well, for the time being anyway, Santa Clara won. If Santa Clara can't close the deal, chances are another suburb will step up to the plate. York is committed to Santa Clara now and San Francisco would have to start from scratch to give York what he wants.

Hunter's Point has the same problem Candlestick Point had, but China Basin would at least have Bart access, plus a phenomenal location and view, plus plenty of lot space for travelers. York even mentioned China Basin on his video in 49ers.com about the new stadium plans. The onus is on Newsom to find a way to get the Niners near the Giants. If he can't, it's over.

Santa Clara hasn't won crap.

[samer]

I don't think it has to be near the giants. Hunters point is a wonderful place to have the stadium. Yeah the access - as it currently exists - sucks, but that can be aliveated with a well designed traffic plan and access infrastructure.

Again, I can see that Hunters Point being such a GREAT place to go even if there isn't a game going on. Imagine, a nice sail boat facility, restaurants around to go eat after a nice day sailing, perhaps a movie complex to go after dinner. It can be a whole day experience. If we can locate a major anchor tenant there - a Frys in a Westfield type of mall (like the one that just opened in Market street) - it would draw thousands, like Fishermans Warf draws thousands.

Obviously it's not going to happen over night - but following the development of the Hunters Point area, the area to the south of Candlestick point is currently vacant shoreline that can have a lot of Pier 39/Santa Cruz beach and boardwalk kinds of experience.

I mean sure Santa Clara is a great place to build a stadium, no doubt about it. It would be cheaper and the access would probably be hands down better than anything that can be designed in the Hunters Point area -- but shoot. You don't go to San Francisco to find parking, you go to San Francisco to experience the city! You already have great access in Santa Clara and Great America but it isn't the tourist attraction that Pier 39 is, that Fishermans Warf is, with all its attendant traffic, congestion, and access problems. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people STILL go to the Warf and Pier 39 every year - despite all its traffic and parking problems.

Giedi

I'm sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about. Hunters point is full of the projects and it is a bad area. "a Frys in a Westfield type of mall (like the one that just opened in Market street)", that area is horrible, full of homeless people.

[Niner Jan]

Santa Clara Mayor Patricia Mahan was diplomatic about the possible move.

"Anything the two of our cities can do to keep the 49ers in the Bay Area is great," Mahan said. "That's the most important thing to me, to make sure the 49ers have an appropriate home in the greater San Francisco Bay Area, so that there will always be a San Francisco 49ers."

She maintained, though, that the Santa Clara site wouldn't have parking or traffic congestion problems and would be a better fit for fans than the Candlestick Point proposal.

"The 49ers are going to make their decision on what's best for the fans and what's best for the team," Mahan said Friday. "As long as they're staying in the Bay Area, that's what's most important to me."

So, Giedi, what's YOUR stake in staying in SOUTH San Francisco? You live closer to that swampy traffic TRAP of a stadium site? Don't give me the weak argument about the name--there are precedents of other NFL teams playing in nearby locales and still retaining their original name. The 49ers will carry their traditions with them, as long as they retain their logo and name and they play in the SF Bay Area. PERIOD.

Hunters point is a "wonderful" place to have the stadium. Yeah, the access - as it currently exists - sucks, but that can be alleviated with a well designed traffic plan and access infrastructure.

Baloney. San Francisco has done nothing in the past decade to alleviate traffic by improving access infrastructure. They still have not even paved the mud-topped parking lot. Why suddenly would they act NOW? Newsom is just ticked off because he loses political FACE and SF loses money if the stadium moves. He should have thought about that fact sooner!

The financial benefits for the 49er fans are overwhelming on the side of Santa Clara. Only a blind person would not SEE that! Or an emotionally crippled person who can't deal with facts.

Someone mentioned China Basin. I fail to see how having another major stadium in SF benefits anybody! The traffic and lack of parking in that city are already prohibitive.

As far as making the new stadium a hub of entertainment, that has its additional opportunities in Santa Clara. To start with, there's nearby Great America, a golf course (not my hobby!), a nearby movie complex on Mission College, etc.

I just don't understand how fans (OTHER THAN EMOTIONAL ARGUMENTS) cannot grasp the huge advantages of building the new stadium in Santa Clara rather than San Francisco.

The 49ers Organization have been spending millions of dollars already in research, so this is not a decision suddenly arrived at whimsically. It's just that the announcement just hit the fan on Wednesday.

What needs to be done by fans is to examine the FACTS, and not base their judgment on emotion alone. That's not the intelligent way to deal with this sudden announcement.

At least LISTEN to what the Organization is saying... and not just the critics!

Niner Mom :sf49: :shades: :sflogo:

[Fromthe3rdRow]

Very cool! I for one will certainly stop by and make my feelings known!

[rjk*49]

Newsome, from the article:

"I'm as resolved as everyone else to try to keep the team here," Newsom said. "But not at all costs. We're not going to sell our soul. ... this city is not going to mortgage its future for billionaires. We don't do that."

What a spoiled, candy-*** brat. You don't want to do what we demand? I'll call you an evil billionaire. That'll fix you. You'll go down in history as the evil capitalist who was so greedy he caused us to lose the Olympics.

What incredible hubris. What costs to the City? The debate all along is that The City would concede almost nothing to get this done. They tried to demagogue the 49er organization with hypocritical appeals to ethics and morality, claiming that if the 49ers were going to reap all the benefits of owning a new stadium, then they **** well oughta take care of all the infrastructure headaches it would cause the City, the hardship (and relocation) of any residents involved, and any Fed, State, and/or environmental costs which might be incurred.

Unsaid by any of the willing, or unwitting local press is that the City shunned its obligations to take care of those very same issues over the last 35 years: transportation, infrastructure, residential improvements (Hunters Point), and any environmental issues. Just like the escalating bridge tolls, bonds, and taxes, money earmarked for those particular jobs has quietly gone elsewhere. And now the City is basically demanding that the 49ers do the job they should have done years ago.

They've been stringing the 49ers along for 10+ years. The only thing back when which made it palatable to Eddie D was the prospect of being able to create the shopping mall. As an investment, that would be the only way for the organization to recoup (over the short term) some of the incredible costs the City demanded. But elements within the City government thought it too grossly bourgeois that the 49ers would actually want to make a profit.

Newsome has no clue about business, leadership, and negotiations. Its outside his ultra liberal paradigm. Fed up with the self-absorbed, carpet-bagger snobbery of the City government, The 49ers ultimately forced SF to make some kind of commitment. They've called their bluff, and SF is not only unwilling to do anything, but probably also unable.

[FLNiner]

Really I don't see what all the fuss is. Everyone is upset they may have to drive 30 or 40 miles. I live in Atlanta and I have to drive that far if I go to a Falcons game. If you go to a Niner game I only have to fly 3000 miles. You all are lucky enough to live close enough to see the Niner games in person so why are the belly aching about a little drive.

[rjk*49]

Not bellyaching at all. It'll be only a few miles from where I currently reside.

Most of us are not complaining that SF will lose the 49ers. SF doesn't deserve the 49ers. You know, I'm embarrassed now to tell people I'm a native San Franciscan. I wish The City was what it was, and what it once strove to be, and not what its become.

I can't speak/write for others, but my antipathy towards these stooges, their predecessors, and the useful idiots who have turned my native city into a cesspool knows no bounds. I find it satisfying for any comeuppance befalling them, and if I can help expose them for what they are, in my own small way, the greater the pleasure.

The only pride I take anymore in San Francisco is its nominal attachment to the San Francisco 49ers, and to a near degree, the Giants. The SF in SF 49ers is a rich heritage of what SF used to be, and could have become. Its 60K people screaming, participating, and taking pride in the success of a hardworking, dedicated, professional group of people, and an organization. That is the antithesis of the self-loathing, carpet-bagging, hypocritical, psuedo-intellectual elitists which overran this once proud city.

And if the 49ers move South, and take that name with them, the more just it is. That name, San Francisco 49ers represents something that this city abandoned a long time ago.

[LOS41510]

Transportation: by the time the new stadium is done ( if it is to be at the stick ) , the MUNI metro rail T line and busses will still be running.. i know that santa clara has VTA, AMTRAK (capitol corridor for me ) and ACE trains.

dont know bout santa clara winning since knowing how san francisco is hustling to save the team and find a way to keep the niners at the stick. so just end this and build it at the stick

AND FOR THE LAST TIME THE STICK IS IN FRISCO NOT SOUTH san francisco! thats san mateo county.. not san francisco.. way off its on the border line

LOS

sorry that i yelled but proving a YEEE! point

[9erMan]

Awsome posts rjk. I agree, SF is but a shadow of what it once was and could have become. Now the hens have come home to roost and people are asking why they won't lay eggs?

[acid_ninja]

So, Giedi, what's YOUR stake in staying in SOUTH San Francisco? You live closer to that swampy traffic TRAP of a stadium site? Don't give me the weak argument about the name--there are precedents of other NFL teams playing in nearby locales and still retaining their original name. The 49ers will carry their traditions with them, as long as they retain their logo and name and they play in the SF Bay Area. PERIOD.



Baloney. San Francisco has done nothing in the past decade to alleviate traffic by improving access infrastructure. They still have not even paved the mud-topped parking lot. Why suddenly would they act NOW? Newsom is just ticked off because he loses political FACE and SF loses money if the stadium moves. He should have thought about that fact sooner!

The financial benefits for the 49er fans are overwhelming on the side of Santa Clara. Only a blind person would not SEE that! Or an emotionally crippled person who can't deal with facts.

Someone mentioned China Basin. I fail to see how having another major stadium in SF benefits anybody! The traffic and lack of parking in that city are already prohibitive.

As far as making the new stadium a hub of entertainment, that has its additional opportunities in Santa Clara. To start with, there's nearby Great America, a golf course (not my hobby!), a nearby movie complex on Mission College, etc.

I just don't understand how fans (OTHER THAN EMOTIONAL ARGUMENTS) cannot grasp the huge advantages of building the new stadium in Santa Clara rather than San Francisco.

The 49ers Organization have been spending millions of dollars already in research, so this is not a decision suddenly arrived at whimsically. It's just that the announcement just hit the fan on Wednesday.

What needs to be done by fans is to examine the FACTS, and not base their judgment on emotion alone. That's not the intelligent way to deal with this sudden announcement.

At least LISTEN to what the Organization is saying... and not just the critics!

Niner Mom :sf49: :shades: :sflogo:

Look man, emotion is important. That's what sports is all about: emotion. Love for your team, hatred for your rivals (especially Dallas).

[Giedi]

Niner Jan,

Actually I'm optimistic something can be done about the Stadium in San Francisco. So long as there are talks, then there is a chance. Who knows?

Giedi

[AlexSmith5rings]

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/11/20/BAGI9MGDJP1.DTL

[blapigo]

I would HATE to see the 49ers move out of San Francisco and go to Santa Clara. I suggest that they stick with the plans for the Candlestick Stadium and while they are building the stadium, they could play at Stanfords New football stadium for the time being. It would probably take only 3 to 5 years and then they can move into their new home. This way there wont be any traffic issues or anything else they brought up and they can stay in San Francisco.

[49erFaninBoston]

I couldn't agree with you more. I live on the east coast and make it home for one game a year. I'd hate to have to go to Santa Clara. Hopefully the city or even the commissioner will steo in and stop this nonsense.

[Fromthe3rdRow]

:::::Sigh :::: Noob. {Shrug}

First off - welcome to the 49er message board. This is a place to discuss our opinions, yada, yada, yada.

However, there are a few common courtesys and sensible things to consider before posting. Please check to see if there is already a thread open on the topic you wish to discuss, and add to the existing thread. It makes it much easier for you to join the ongoing discussion.

By doing so, perhaps you will have an opportunity to become more knowledgable on the subject you wish to address....

[chief rocka]

that's freds nice side, right there...

:closed:

[Fromthe3rdRow]

that's freds nice side, right there...

:closed:What can I say? I guess after yesterdays' big win, I'm a little mellow. But seriously, my jaw is gonna get stiff from trying to hold hold my tongue ....:wink:

[ForeverYoung880]

What can I say? I guess after yesterdays' big win, I'm a little mellow. But seriously, my jaw is gonna get stiff from trying to hold hold my tongue ....:wink:

yesterdays big win and fantastic breakfast you cooked up!! :banana3:

[AlexSmith5rings]

what capacity do you want our stadium to be? personally i have read that they me be going for 80,000. i think that we could definitely fill that up with us getting a new stadium and of course we are getting back to winning

[1st2Five]

I would HATE to see the 49ers move out of San Francisco and go to Santa Clara. I suggest that they stick with the plans for the Candlestick Stadium and while they are building the stadium, they could play at Stanfords New football stadium for the time being. It would probably take only 3 to 5 years and then they can move into their new home. This way there wont be any traffic issues or anything else they brought up and they can stay in San Francisco.


Stanford's new stadium holds 50,000. Yesterday's attendance was 68,367. So 18,000+ fans would not quite fit into Stanford's beautiful new stadium for 3-5 years.

I love Candlestick and always will. Like Kezar, there's too much history that has been made there to forget in several lifetime's. But the truth of the matter is, the Niners deserve much better and have for some time now. They won their fifth SB Championship in 1994 and should've been "given" a new stadium before then. So they've played in a less than adequate stadium for almost a quarter century. SF blew it. I'm okay with the Niners' move to Santa Clara. Niners fans will benefit big time. You can't tailgate in a multi-story parking garage which was part of SF's "proposal" to the Niners.

[AlexSmith5rings]

Stanford's new stadium holds 50,000. Yesterday's attendance was 68,367. So 18,000+ fans would not quite fit into Stanford's beautiful new stadium for 3-5 years.

I love Candlestick and always will. Like Kezar, there's too much history that has been made there to forget in several lifetime's. But the truth of the matter is, the Niners deserve much better and have for some time now. They won their fifth SB Championship in 1994 and should've been "given" a new stadium before then. So they've played in a less than adequate stadium for almost a quarter century. SF blew it. I'm okay with the Niners' move to Santa Clara. Niners fans will benefit big time. You can't tailgate in a multi-story parking garage which was part of SF's "proposal" to the Niners.
did you read the article i posted? it's a new proposition in SF with parking space in hunters point

[1st2Five]

did you read the article i posted? it's a new proposition in SF with parking space in hunters point

Thanks...just did. I would love for the Niners to saty in SF, even if it's less convenient for me. That's secondary in my opinion. I'm just tired of all the political crap being spewed without regard for the Niners fans.

[sj niner]

Yeah, read that post but all it really does is put the 9ers back to square 1 to stay in S.F..They would still have to do environmental studies, build the roads into and out of site along with better freeway access and public trans. of some sort..All of those things are already in place in Santa Clara..
Plus, that proposition would still have to be approved by the public, which has shown numerous times that they won't support raising taxs or use public funds for a stadium..The Giants had to put a measure on the ballot for them to build their own stadium, with their own money, on land they had acquired; and it barely passed!!
The city of S.F blew it..They had numerous chances to do SOMETHING with the Stick..I've had my tixs for 25 years and they never paved any of the dirt parking lots and it's only been about 3 years since they put portapots out there..Getting out of the Stick after a game is a nightmare unless you've done it before since there is absolutely no traffic control..Yet the city controls the money from these lots since the city OWNS THEM.($25 per car. more for RV's and limos $50 I think..) Unless SF can GUARANTEE a site and substantial financing, there's no reason for York to stop Santa Clara's plan..

[sj niner]

IMO 80,000 is a little too big..Remember blackout rule about sell outs..BUT I'm willing to bet will be at least 70,000 since that is the minimum capacity for a stadium to host a Super Bowl..

[elliotslam]

They cannot move them to santa clara it would be terrible! THE TEAM HAS SOOOOOOOO MUCH HISTORY

[elliotslam]

I was reading that and it really is a great idea. THE TEAM NEEDS TO STAY IN THE CITY!

[Scipio]

:nonono:

[AlexSmith5rings]

:nonono:
what?

[rjk*49]

"The mayor's absence from talks with the team, and his decision to have underlings handle the negotiations, is said to have rankled the Niners' owners. Then, for some reason, York expected the mayor to turn down the temperature once the team shifted plans, according to sources who spoke with the co-owner after his meeting with Newsom last week.

Instead, the opposite happened. Newsom made it clear he would use every weapon he had -- from lawsuits to Congress -- to keep the team here.

Newsom also told York he wanted the team to spell out the specific problems with the Candlestick Point deal, be they lousy access roads, inadequate public transit or whatever else York felt was a deal-breaker.

In other words, Newsom wanted a checklist that, if dealt with, would mean the team stayed."

M & R, the new Herb Caens.

What a load of crap. Newsome was already sending "underlings" to deal with the 49ers' before York's announcement. In effect contributing to the delays until after the USOC's bid decision in hopes of putting York and the 49ers on the hook to build the stadium The City wanted for the Olympics, rather than the stadium the 49ers NEED.

Further, does any reasonable person believe for a moment that after studying and spending on this for years, and weighing $800+mm, the 49ers wouldn't know what problem areas they had major issues with, let alone conveyed those concerns to The City during their discussions?

Please... Just more CYA from the spoiled brat via Pravda (the local media).
Either Newsome et al weren't listening, or they were intentionally ignoring. Now, they're trying to play the old, IBM sales tactic of making the buyer list reasons why they wouldn't buy, and then promising to meet all those issues.

Two problems: a) if they were ever sincere about cooperating with the 49ers, they would have used this tactic a Loooong time ago; and, b) given their track record and the way things DON'T get done in The City, does anyone really think that promising to solve all the 49ers issues will be anything more than intentionally empty promises to get the 49ers to stay, or delay a move to S.C.?

Tactically, its not a bad move if your goal is to get even with York. You put it out there, and if York cites housing, infrastructure, etc., etc., then you threaten a HUGE public stink about how York is against helping the poor, or "giving back" to The City by helping with infrastructure issues which benefit the 49ers. If I were York, I wouldn't touch this with a 10' pole.

Lastly, if the following quote doesn't synopsize The City and its officials, I don't know what ever could:

"They sort of have this Midwestern, suburban 1970s view of how things can get done,'' said one San Francisco official who talked with the Yorks in recent days.

Really? This from the ultra-liberal, psuedo-intellectual elitists who can't get anything done except tax, waste, backstab, and graft... Evidently, the Yorks aren't sophisticated enough to play in this rarified air. Right. They only know how to make and manage money. Must be particularly galling to the marxists to have to deal with successful individuals.

[MrMayhem]

Lemme me guess!
The S.F. board of supervisors is hoping that the 9ers also clean up the toxic muck left behind by the Navy. NOT!! I think the FEDS should clean up that mess.

Access to that site is very limited and will cause a major problem. Lots of zoning red tape needs to cleared in order to get roads/bridges built for better access from highway 101.
This is were Fienstein, Pelosi and Newsom should show off their political clout.

I think some of those piers can be used to ferry in fans by the boatload though.

http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2006/11/20/ba_hunters_point_000.jpg

[GotVD?]

In short, the new plan "just does not work for a NFL stadium." Welcome to the South Bay, 49ers!

http://www.nbc11.com/news/10371689/detail.html

[D-Man]

The San Francisco Chronicle reported that John York has received a death threat on his office voice mail concerning his plan to move the team to the South Bay.

York was also reportedly upset when 49er fans booed his introduction during the half time ceremony to honor Jerry Rice.

How frickin' sad!

[Money Lawson]

the plan isnt going to work.....the article is just about how they declined an offer that would possibly be eve more expensive and too long to make

[9erMan]

San Francisco (SF) stadium VS Santa Clara (SC) stadium:

SF = not enough space to build huge state of the art stadium restricts stadium design parameters
SC = plenty of room to build it as big as needed, placing no restrictions on stadium design
Advantage = SC

SF = double the price tag due to required infrastructure upgrades (hello higher ticket prices)
SC = added infrastructure upgrades minor/negligible (hello lower ticket prices)
Advantage = SC

SF = goodbye tailgating
SC = more parking lot space with improved tailgating experience possible/likely
Advantage = SC

SF = 1+ hours just trying to exit skyscraper parking garage at the same time as 10,000 other cars after the game - then wade through horrible SF traffic
SC = quick access to multiple freeways and better traffic conditions after the game
Advantage = SC

SF = wait another 15 years to rebuild infrastructure and hope downturn in housing market won’t prevent Lennar from selling those residential units quickly or it will take even longer to get stadium built
SC = get-er-done by 2012
Advantage = SC

I could keep going but I think this is enough to make the point.

[Pound th' Rock]

Where can I send a letter to York telling him I think he's doing a good job?

[9erMan]

Where can I send a letter to York telling him I think he's doing a good job?

San Francisco 49ers
Attn: John York
4949 Centennial Blvd.
Santa Clara, CA 95054

[AlexSmith5rings]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :hangloose: :smile:
why would you be happy that they can't stay in SF? talk about selfish.

[Money Lawson]

i wish there was someway to stay in SF....but if we have to move to santa clara to get a new stadium....then so be it

[Fromthe3rdRow]

why would you be happy that they can't stay in SF? talk about selfish.Well 5rings - I think the shoe is on the other foot here.
>>> The MAJORITY of SF Niner fans DO NOT live in SF.
>>> The MAJORITY of Season Ticket Holders DO NOT live in SF.

So, who's being selfish? The majority or the vocal minority?
:potkettle:

[AlexSmith5rings]

Well 5rings - I think the shoe is on the other foot here.
>>> The MAJORITY of SF Niner fans DO NOT live in SF.
>>> The MAJORITY of Season Ticket Holders DO NOT live in SF.

So, who's being selfish? The majority or the vocal minority?
:potkettle:
considering the rest of the world is bigger then SF is, i am sure you are right that there are more niner fans then inside. someone who wants a team to move so they are closer is pretty selfish imo. how is san francisco being selfish when the team has been there for 60 years? give me a break, like you said you in another post you live 5 minutes from the new proposed stadium site. i am sure you are happy. if the "majority" of 49er fans were so happy about the move to santa clara i would ask you why he was boo'd by about 85% of the stadium.

[Fromthe3rdRow]

considering the rest of the world is bigger then SF is, i am sure you are right that there are more niner fans then inside. someone who wants a team to move so they are closer is pretty selfish imo. how is san francisco being selfish when the team has been there for 60 years? give me a break, like you said you in another post you live 5 minutes from the new proposed stadium site. i am sure you are happy. if the "majority" of 49er fans were so happy about the move to santa clara i would ask you why he was boo'd by about 85% of the stadium.

First off - 85% of the stadium did not boo. That my friend is an exaggeration. IMHO, exaggeration, confusion and prevarication is a tactic utilized by the desperate when they realize they are on the losing end of a debate.

As for my being "selfish", I must ask:

Am I being selfish to want a new stadium for my favorite team?
Am I being selfish to want the new stadium built as soon as possible?
Am I being selfish to want the new stadium to be located near the largest concentration of fellow fans?
Am I being selfish to want an end to the traffic gridlock before and after games?
Am I being selfish to encourage the Niners to do what is best for the team?
Am I being selfish to encourage the Niners to be fiscally prudent and to select a plan with the greatest financial benefit for the team?
Am I being selfish to discourage SF politicians from pursuing plans that look more and more like a huge pork barrel designed to line someone else's pockets at the expense of fans and the teams owners?
Am I being selfish to want to continue our decades long tradition of tailgating?Yeah - I guess maybe I am. But since I'm part of a vocal majority - I guess it's not so bad after all.

[D-Man]

I'll have to drive farther from Stockton to Santa Clara to see my Niners play and that's quite alright with me! York's taking the steps to make a stadium that's well-planned and will be enjoyable for the fans. York has all my support! :clapping:

[FREEagent]

santa clara isnt that far from san francisco and like all the other fans i want a new stadium. the new plans for frisco will fall through, which means destination santa clara 2012:towel:

[AlexSmith5rings]

First off - 85% of the stadium did not boo. That my friend is an exaggeration. IMHO, exaggeration, confusion and prevarication is a tactic utilized by the desperate when they realize they are on the losing end of a debate.

As for my being "selfish", I must ask:

Am I being selfish to want a new stadium for my favorite team?
Am I being selfish to want the new stadium built as soon as possible?
Am I being selfish to want the new stadium to be located near the largest concentration of fellow fans?
Am I being selfish to want an end to the traffic gridlock before and after games?
Am I being selfish to encourage the Niners to do what is best for the team?
Am I being selfish to encourage the Niners to be fiscally prudent and to select a plan with the greatest financial benefit for the team?
Am I being selfish to discourage SF politicians from pursuing plans that look more and more like a huge pork barrel designed to line someone else's pockets at the expense of fans and the teams owners?
Am I being selfish to want to continue our decades long tradition of tailgating?Yeah - I guess maybe I am. But since I'm part of a vocal majority - I guess it's not so bad after all.
I believe i was calling the person selfish because he was cheering that the stadium was not going to be made in San Francisco. I want our 49ers to get a new stadium in San Francisco, but if they cannot then in the SF Bay Area. However if someone is cheering because it is not able to be created like a certain person was then that is what I consider selfish.

[Roaring Back]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :hangloose: :smile:

Yikes, you are cheering the fact that a San Francisco stadium option was not workable? So, then, you want them to move out of San Francisco regardless.

I was under the impression that Santa Clara was a backup option, not the desired option. I think I'm beginning to get a better understanding of some of the south bay stadium proponents. I also think it's time to start considering keeping the franchise name in San Francisco like Cleveland did.

[Fromthe3rdRow]

I believe i was calling the person selfish because he was cheering that the stadium was not going to be made in San Francisco. I want our 49ers to get a new stadium in San Francisco, but if they cannot then in the SF Bay Area. However if someone is cheering because it is not able to be created like a certain person was then that is what I consider selfish.Sounds to me like you're coming around. The Yorks have repeatedly stated they plan to build a new stadium in the SF Bay Area and the team will continue to be called the San Francisco 49ers. I believe we are both satisfied on this point.

It is unfortunate the city of San Francisco has failed to provide the necessary support for a stadium plan which the Niners would find acceptable. The team has clearly stated the current plan for redevelopment of Candlestick point will not work.

However, they have also said they are willing to listen to any other proposals the city might have. So, I would encourage you to spend less time railing about the Yorks, and spend more time kicking your Mayor in the butt. He and his administration will be held responsible if the Niners end up building a new stadium outside of San Francisco. The Yorks are only doing what is best for the team. You can not fault them for that.

[9erMan]

Yikes, you are cheering the fact that a San Francisco stadium option was not workable? So, then, you want them to move out of San Francisco regardless.

I was under the impression that Santa Clara was a backup option, not the desired option. I think I'm beginning to get a better understanding of some of the south bay stadium proponents. I also think it's time to start considering keeping the franchise name in San Francisco like Cleveland did.

Yeah, like SF is going to get another football team to move in with their existing problems and the Raider just to the north in Oakland and another NFL team just to the South in Santa Clara. That'll happen (sarcasm)

Besides it’s a dead issue. It’s a franchise name that belongs to the 49ers and the NFL, not to the City of San Francisco.

[Fromthe3rdRow]

... Besides it’s a dead issue. It’s a franchise name that belongs to the 49ers and the NFL, not to the City of San Francisco.Shhhh. Don't let our fine Senator and former Mayor of SF hear you. She's too busy trying to make political points by threatening to "look into" the situation. The new Speaker of the House was at it too.

Ooops - well, never mind. The both of them have been pretty quiet the past few days. Maybe somebody got the hint when they was told to stuff a sock in it.:laugh:

[Roaring Back]

Yeah, like SF is going to get another football team to move in with their existing problems and the Raider just to the north in Oakland and another NFL team just to the South in Santa Clara. That'll happen (sarcasm)

Besides it’s a dead issue. It’s a franchise name that belongs to the 49ers and the NFL, not to the City of San Francisco.

Do you also prefer Santa Clara to San Francisco? Or do you just like the move because of the supposed ease and apparent expedience in getting a new stadium done there?

[9erMan]

Shhhh. Don't let our fine Senator and former Mayor of SF hear you. She's too busy trying to make political points by threatening to "look into" the situation. The new Speaker of the House was at it too.

Ooops - well, never mind. The both of them have been pretty quiet the past few days. Maybe somebody got the hint when they was told to stuff a sock in it.:laugh:

Apparently our Senior United States Senator and Majority House Leader have nothing better to do than harass NFL teams. I’m sure that was at the top of everyone’s agenda when they elected those officials.

I wasn’t aware that they were elected to represent the State of San Francisco.:pullhair:

[9erMan]

Do you also prefer Santa Clara to San Francisco? Or do you just like the move because of the supposed ease and apparent expedience in getting a new stadium done there?

That’s a fair question. Here is where I stand on the issue:

Assume that all things were equal between the two cities. Assume that the stadium would be identical, the price would be identical, the tailgating/parking lot would be identical, the time it would take to get the new stadium built etc.

If all of those things were equal between the two cities, I would want the stadium to stay in SF, hands down. Unfortunately these things are not equal and it looks as though Santa Clara is the better place to build a new state of the art NFL stadium.

[Hopper15]

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mouthclosed: :pullhair:

Now that's more like it

[Fromthe3rdRow]

That’s a fair question. Here is where I stand on the issue:

Assume that all things were equal between the two cities. Assume that the stadium would be identical, the price would be identical, the tailgating/parking lot would be identical, the time it would take to get the new stadium built etc.

If all of those things were equal between the two cities, I would want the stadium to stay in SF, hands down. Unfortunately these things are not equal and it looks as though Santa Clara is the better place to build a new state of the art NFL stadium.Good argument there 9erMan.

Let me add some fuel to the discussion:
The weather in Santa Clara during football season is better.
Moving the Stadium closer to more fans might mean louder more enthusiastic support in the stands.
Louder, more enthusiastic support in the stands might help the team play better.
If the team plays better - they might get to the Superbowl sooner!

Do any of those help?

[noid49er]

That’s a fair question. Here is where I stand on the issue:

Assume that all things were equal between the two cities. Assume that the stadium would be identical, the price would be identical, the tailgating/parking lot would be identical, the time it would take to get the new stadium built etc.

If all of those things were equal between the two cities, I would want the stadium to stay in SF, hands down. Unfortunately these things are not equal and it looks as though Santa Clara is the better place to build a new state of the art NFL stadium.
Very good point. It just looks like SF/ C'stick Point project is a bad situation. Bussed in for years because they are building a new staduim/parking lot/ roads/ freeway/ housing/ and everything else they are planning. I just dont think that SF is an option anymore. SC just seems like a better option and it can be much better for the fans. Everything is there. Cal Train, Bart (when they build to SJ, 2010), light rail, 101, 237, 880, 87. am i missing anything? oh ya, Great AMerica! when there is a blow out, we can go ride Top Gun!!

[noid49er]

Good argument there 9erMan.

Let me add some fuel to the discussion:
The weather in Santa Clara during football season is better.
Moving the Stadium closer to more fans might mean louder more enthusiastic support in the stands.
Louder, more enthusiastic support in the stands might help the team play better.
If the team plays better - they might get to the Superbowl sooner!

Do any of those help?
i forgot SUPERBOWL in SC!

[49ergold]

Sounds to me like you're coming around. The Yorks have repeatedly stated they plan to build a new stadium in the SF Bay Area and the team will continue to be called the San Francisco 49ers. I believe we are both satisfied on this point.

It is unfortunate the city of San Francisco has failed to provide the necessary support for a stadium plan which the Niners would find acceptable. The team has clearly stated the current plan for redevelopment of Candlestick point will not work.

However, they have also said they are willing to listen to any other proposals the city might have. So, I would encourage you to spend less time railing about the Yorks, and spend more time kicking your Mayor in the butt. He and his administration will be held responsible if the Niners end up building a new stadium outside of San Francisco. The Yorks are only doing what is best for the team. You can not fault them for that.



:clapping: :clapping:

[TopHat]

Welcome to Santa Clara Niners....oh wait you're already here!

[AlexSmith5rings]

Welcome to Santa Clara Niners....oh wait you're already here!
no they aren't. they haven't even gotten into the money issue yet.

[49erFanFoLife]

hope somthing good gets figured out quickly!

[BillyBones]

i wish there was someway to stay in SF....but if we have to move to santa clara to get a new stadium....then so be it

Ditto.

[BillyBones]

Can we all take a little comfort in the fact that it is called "The San Francisco Bay" and "The San Francisco Bay Area" and even San Jose, Concord, and Vallejo are still considered a part of that greater San Francisco urban area?

"The City" casts a very long shadow.

It isn't called "The Santa Clara Bay Area" - so why should anyone feel the need to have such a ****-fit? Can you get back to supporting your team's effort to play in a stadium that isn't such a rat-trap instead of being ultra-picky whiners? (don't get me wrong, I'll miss candlestick!)

If they build it, I will come.

[TopHat]

no they aren't. they haven't even gotten into the money issue yet.

Um yeah they are. They've been practicing 5 days a week here for 20 years.

[AlexSmith5rings]

Um yeah they are. They've been practicing 5 days a week here for 20 years.
I am pretty sure you knew I was referring to the stadium.

[TopHat]

I am pretty sure you knew I was referring to the stadium.

Actually I didn't. I never assume anything.

[Fromthe3rdRow]

no they aren't. they haven't even gotten into the money issue yet.Uhhmm, yes, they are. Check the address for Niner Headquarters....

[Fromthe3rdRow]

Actually I didn't. I never assume anything. Me niether. I'm still having a hard time understanding why some fans still think the team is moving ....

[AlexSmith5rings]

Uhhmm, yes, they are. Check the address for Niner Headquarters....
I was referring to the stadium.

[Fromthe3rdRow]

Can we all take a little comfort in the fact that it is called "The San Francisco Bay" and "The San Francisco Bay Area" and even San Jose, Concord, and Vallejo are still considered a part of that greater San Francisco urban area?

"The City" casts a very long shadow.

It isn't called "The Santa Clara Bay Area" - so why should anyone feel the need to have such a ****-fit? Can you get back to supporting your team's effort to play in a stadium that isn't such a rat-trap instead of being ultra-picky whiners? (don't get me wrong, I'll miss candlestick!)

If they build it, I will come.

Ding, ding, ding, ding! Somebody hand Billy there a cigar!

[Rexi]

York got a death threat? People are freaking psychos, it's just football...

[Hopper15]

How frickin' sad!

York is sad.

[AlexSmith5rings]

How about Newsom drops the housing thing and just builds the stadium there? I saw the rendering of it and without all of the housing we have a brand new stadium with plenty of room to park and tailgate and whatever.

[Local49ersFan]

Well 5rings - I think the shoe is on the other foot here.
>>> The MAJORITY of SF Niner fans DO NOT live in SF.
>>> The MAJORITY of Season Ticket Holders DO NOT live in SF.

So, who's being selfish? The majority or the vocal minority?
:potkettle:
Why did the majority of the STH that do not live in SF booed?

[BillyBones]

How about Newsom drops the housing thing and just builds the stadium there? I saw the rendering of it and without all of the housing we have a brand new stadium with plenty of room to park and tailgate and whatever.

Newsome is really big on providing affordable housing in the city. It's part of his plan to help the homeless, provide a place for the service sector to reside within city limits, and clean up the city in general.

[elliotslam]

We Must Stay In The City!!!

[Fromthe3rdRow]

How about Newsom drops the housing thing and just builds the stadium there? I saw the rendering of it and without all of the housing we have a brand new stadium with plenty of room to park and tailgate and whatever.The Niners have said they are willing to listen to other proposals. (Reading between the lines - I think your suggestion here is exactly what they would like to see.) However, there is no profit in it. The developers are seeking to make a fortune selling high prices housing with water front views, a shopping mall with exorbitant rents and an arena with a potential for year round income. Exactly how is this supposed to benefit the Yorks? When the plan was originally proposed by Eddie Debartolo (Who's family just happened to be in the shopping mall business at the time) there might have been a benefit to the Yorks - but not now. The developers would profit - the city would see some benefit, (I AM NOT SUGGESTING KICK BACKS HERE - THAT WOULD BE SLANDEROUS) which suggests why the city is clinging to this proposal which the Niners have already rejected. If the city does come up with a modified proposal without the grandiose plans to redevelop the entire Candlestick Point perhaps the Niners just might reconsider. But what do I know? I'm just another fan.

[Fromthe3rdRow]

Why did the majority of the STH that do not live in SF booed?What makes you think they did? Your question is based on an assumption that can not be substantiated. You have no proof "the majority of the STH that do not live in SF booed" so you can not ask why they did.

[Fromthe3rdRow]

We Must Stay In The City!!!We?

Ok. Go right ahead - you stay right where you are. And while you're at it, please heckle Gavin Newsome for me. He's the one to blame here, not the Yorks.

[Roaring Back]

That’s a fair question. Here is where I stand on the issue:

Assume that all things were equal between the two cities. Assume that the stadium would be identical, the price would be identical, the tailgating/parking lot would be identical, the time it would take to get the new stadium built etc.

If all of those things were equal between the two cities, I would want the stadium to stay in SF, hands down. Unfortunately these things are not equal and it looks as though Santa Clara is the better place to build a new state of the art NFL stadium.

But the cities in question are not equal. Ok, say the stadium, price, parking lot, time it takes to build, are all identical; but the location is still down in Santa Clara, next to Great America. I've been to Santa Clara many times, heck I graduated from San Jose State, love the area. I've been to Great America many times, even had a season pass one year. Weather's great. All of that said, and please don't take this the wrong way, but this move will not energize the franchise, it will anesthetize it. That's what happens when city teams move to the burbs. I don't care if they build the freaking Taj Mahal down there in that parking lot. The 49ers belong in the City. Not in some freaking business parky location amid mallstrips and casual dining venues.

I wonder how the property value of the Giants ballpark would compare to the one at China Basin, if it were in Santa Clara, or Fremont, or San Ramon.

Settling for Santa Clara because it's "easier" is a bad idea, a bad investment of $800 million or more, and bad for the 49ers..regardless of Jed York's hurt feelings.

[9erMan]

But the cities in question are not equal. Ok, say the stadium, price, parking lot, time it takes to build, are all identical; but the location is still down in Santa Clara, next to Great America. I've been to Santa Clara many times, heck I graduated from San Jose State, love the area. I've been to Great America many times, even had a season pass one year. Weather's great. All of that said, and please don't take this the wrong way, but this move will not energize the franchise, it will anesthetize it. That's what happens when city teams move to the burbs. I don't care if they build the freaking Taj Mahal down there in that parking lot. The 49ers belong in the City. Not in some freaking business parky location amid mallstrips and casual dining venues.

I wonder how the property value of the Giants ballpark would compare to the one at China Basin, if it were in Santa Clara, or Fremont, or San Ramon.

Settling for Santa Clara because it's "easier" is a bad idea, a bad investment of $800 million or more, and bad for the 49ers..regardless of Jed York's hurt feelings.

I have a different opinion than you on that. I think the fact that the stadium is more centrally located to its fan base and the price tag being reduced by about $800 million is more important to current and future season ticket holders than the nearly non existent view of the bay at SF, save the drive in.

If you ask most potential season ticket holders whether they would prefer to pay $10.00 -$20.00 more per seat, per game, for a view they won’t enjoy once they enter the parking lot, I think they will tell you they are there to watch the game, not enjoy a bayside view they can’t even see from their seats or wherever they are tailgating.

Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe there are more fans that go to the game for the view than go to the game to watch the game. Maybe people don’t know there are better places to go for a view of the bay than a 49ers game?

[D-Man]

I have a different opinion than you on that. I think the fact that the stadium is more centrally located to its fan base and the price tag being reduced by about $800 million is more important to current and future season ticket holders than the nearly non existent view of the bay at SF, save the drive in.

If you ask most potential season ticket holders whether they would prefer to pay $10.00 -$20.00 more per seat, per game, for a view they won’t enjoy once they enter the parking lot, I think they will tell you they are there to watch the game, not enjoy a bayside view they can’t even see from their seats or wherever they are tailgating.

Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe there are more fans that go to the game for the view than go to the game to watch the game. Maybe people don’t know there are better places to go for a view of the bay than a 49ers game?

As a STH, I'm willing to pay more per seat for a new stadium that's tailgate and access friendly. A nice, new stadium is a nice, new stadium, period! I could care less about the scenic view around the stadium....hell, for years I've been looking at the ugly dump of a ghetto we're in now at The Stick!

[kezar71]

santa clara isnt that far from san francisco and like all the other fans i want a new stadium. the new plans for frisco will fall through, which means destination santa clara 2012:towel:Obviously you're from SJ, no real San Franciscan or great fan of the Niners would call this great city "frisco", perhaps a Nascar fan or a Dallas fan:falldownlaugh:

[Fromthe3rdRow]

As a STH, I'm willing to pay more per seat for a new stadium that's tailgate and access friendly. A nice, new stadium is a nice, new stadium, period! I could care less about the scenic view around the stadium....hell, for years I've been looking at the ugly dump of a ghetto we're in now at The Stick!

As another dedicated STH - please allow me to assure everyone out there that many of us feel our tailgate parties are an essential ingredient to our game day experience. Yes, we also go to the games, the game is the focal point, the purpose of our gathering. But for three to four hours before the games begin, we gather as family, as friends, as communial tribe members sharing food, beverage, rituals, traditions and oral history of past victories, past gatherings and friends past.

We gather to celebrate life, to celebrate food and drink. We gather to celebrate friendship and potential victory on the field of battle within the coloseum walls we call "the Stick".

We gather in the rain, in the wind, in the fog. We sustain ourselves with good cheer, good conversation and a rabid enthusiasm for our favorite team and or favorite sport.

We gather whether the team wins or loses, year in and year out. We are loyal supporters of our team, both finacially at the gate, and perhaps moreso through purchase of licensed NFL gear.

I humbly request that I be allowed to speak for all of us - all of us Tailgating STH's - in offering our thanks to the Yorks and the 49er organization for keeping our interests in mind as they continue to navigate the political obsticles and the media pit falls built to obstruct them.

And in this season of thanks I say - bless the 49ers. And thank you for your support of your fans.

And Kick Me some Lamb Butt Come Sunday!!!!!

[9erMan]

Yeah, lamb shanks are on the menu Sunday.

[AlexSmith5rings]

:falldownlaugh:........
what is so funny about the niners leaving SF? I don't get why you would cheer for a team to move out of their hometown that they have been in for 60 years.

[Hopper15]

what is so funny about the niners leaving SF? I don't get why you would cheer for a team to move out of their hometown that they have been in for 60 years.

Don't even ask because he probably doesn't know why.

[statniner]

Santa Clara Calculus.


Very innovative team name. :laugh:


But seriously, the York's have doen a great job ever since The Nolan acquisition. To prove it, I can say that:

York fired pretty much the whole 49ers organization prior to Nolan's acquisition.

York spent about 1.5 million dollars for a new practice field

York spent money for a better weight room

York donates a bunch of football gear to the needy

York is a willing man, not scared to go socializing 49er fans. (Was seen going around talking and handshaking a whole lot of 49er fans during the 49er draft party)

York allows The Nolan to run a lot of things his own (Scot McCloughan, Coaching staff, training staff, Larry, Walt, Trent, A.B., Marques, etc.

York implies that he wants the best experience for 49er fans to enjoy ball games.

Felt like I should add some things to prove Dr. York's presence to our team.

[ArmofJustice]

Let me see here:

York has the courage to look for the best option for this football team rather than the popular option. He is actively looking for a stadium that would fit fan needs for travel, tail gating, and still be able to be a top of the line stadium. He was willing to eat the contracts of previous coaches and has invested a lot of his personal money into improving the team.

The fans who interrupted Jerry Rice's retirement did so with little regard to what it meant. They took the focus off Jerry Rice - a player who more than anyone else in the history of football deserved to have his day of glory - and put it squarely on their own personal feelings about York.

The fans who are sending death threats and in general threatening to cancel their season tickets or force the team to change their name are showing their true colors. Their loyalty isn't to the team or what is best for it, it is squarely rested on what they feel is most convienient for them personaly.

Guess who I think is selfish and classless here? York isn't perfect. He has made mistakes. On the other hand, his stand with the stadium is spot on for what the team needs. The fans that interrupted Jerry Rice's retirement are classless and selfish. It wasn't just York they were affecting - but also showing a huge amount of disrepsect to one of the players who made the team what it is. The fans that continue to threaten and harass York are also selfish.

If you really want the stadium to stay in SF city that bad, then I have some advice for you. Put up or shut up. Spend YOUR OWN money to have a stadium designed and research the feasibility of it. York did. If you are so much better than he is, prove it.

[sj niner]

Great points Stat! I would also like to add:

--Put in a another new replay screen for ones who can't see the only other one in stadium.
--Opened up preseason practice to the fans; something we haven't been able to do since they moved from Rocklin over 10 years ago.
--Has had a past 9er HOFer EVERY game this year: not just the Rice retirement ceremony either. Joe was an honorary capt. for Vikes game. (I can't remember the last time Joe was at the Stick. Do you think Joe just showed upcuz they asked him? NO, I'm sure 9ers had to pay him..Plus he got use of a luxury box..Which looked awful small BTW)

I [B]WASN'T[B] a huge fan of York at first either. (I still have my "Dump York" shirt I haven't chosen to wear in some time) IMO, he's admited his mistakes and is now trying to correct them..Firing Erickson & Doanhue (at a personal cost of tens of millions) was a gigantic step..I didn't hear the SF politicians apologizing in '85 when Super Bowl XIX was at Stanford Stadium...[B][I][U]<gasp> which is IN SANTA CLARA COUNTY!

[goldpiecesluggz]

New Stadium Needed For New Life Niners What Ever Place It Might Be

[sj niner]

As another dedicated STH - please allow me to assure everyone out there that many of us feel our tailgate parties are an essential ingredient to our game day experience. Yes, we also go to the games, the game is the focal point, the purpose of our gathering. But for three to four hours before the games begin, we gather as family, as friends, as communial tribe members sharing food, beverage, rituals, traditions and oral history of past victories, past gatherings and friends past.

We gather to celebrate life, to celebrate food and drink. We gather to celebrate friendship and potential victory on the field of battle within the coloseum walls we call "the Stick".

We gather in the rain, in the wind, in the fog. We sustain ourselves with good cheer, good conversation and a rabid enthusiasm for our favorite team and or favorite sport.

We gather whether the team wins or loses, year in and year out. We are loyal supporters of our team, both finacially at the gate, and perhaps moreso through purchase of licensed NFL gear.

I humbly request that I be allowed to speak for all of us - all of us Tailgating STH's - in offering our thanks to the Yorks and the 49er organization for keeping our interests in mind as they continue to navigate the political obsticles and the media pit falls built to obstruct them.

And in this season of thanks I say - bless the 49ers. And thank you for your support of your fans.

And Kick Me some Lamb Butt Come Sunday!!!!!


As a fellow STH (OUR Section 1 and the South End Zone ROCK) you may speak for me 3rd Row on this one..Couldn't have added one thing..Hope you and the Mrs. enjoyed the dvd-r!!

[ricefan]

Hi, new to the board. I did a search to answer my questions but couldn't find any. so forgive me if this is redundant.

It seems to me that space is the real issue here, hence the "monster" parking garage plan. I assume this lack of space is due to two things:

1. the housing/retail stuff they wanna build
2. the fact that they will be playing at candlestick and building the new one concurrently - correct?

If this is the case, why not have the 9ers play at either stanford or berkeley and tear down the old Stick in order to get that extra space? Or is recovering the space occupied by candlestick not enough to fulfill their "vision"?

It seems to me the real deal breaker is the parking garage and the lack of tailgating.

Does anyone have any insight into why this would not be feasible?

Thanks

[The Jerm!]

I was reading that and it really is a great idea. THE TEAM NEEDS TO STAY IN THE CITY!

Nope. The team needs to get to Santa Clara.

[LOS41510]

I'm a diehard niners fan that was born in SCO raised in DC and living in the east bay ( fudge the failures ). i know there isnt space around sco... and some hate the quote on quote " ghetto trash " area of bayview hunters point.. and that the mayor's suggestion of the naval shipyard isnt going to work..

but why are we waiting 23 years for sco to do something bout the stadium issue??

newsome better get of his *** and do something now!!! i mean santa clara is ok but i feel that santa clara will soon want to change the "SF logo to SC"??

if we have to build in santa clara.. ill drive or take capitol corridor... but this issue isnt over in sco till its dead.. which since both parties arent doing anything to negotiate, and yorks are pissed off bout boo's its more than likely over for the city by the bay. sorry San francisco

LOS

HAPPY B-LATE TURKEY DAY!!!

[LOS41510]

After reading the article i got a question

WHY DIDNT WE JUST THINK OF THIS BEFORE!!!!! GOD!!!

2nd off the city along with govt officials are cleaing up the toxic waste and contamination that had been left there by the NAVY.

3rd off it does have alot of space and would help people who dont travel by car via the east bay with the docks to use ferry to the games.. thats if york is able to petty up the dough.. now that he ruined the olympics..

Theres tons of space and i agree to lets keep the team in the city.. but one problem

there are also suggestions for a waterfront to be built there. how do you stop there.. york is solely commited for santa clara just for corporate sponsorship money duh! anybody could see that

LOS

YEE!!! niners in SCO baby!!

[sandiegojoe]

http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2006/11/20/ba_hunters_point_000.jpg

Scenic, but it would be hell to get in and out of there.

That... and I have to figure we're looking at 10+ years of environmental investigations and cleanups.

If the military paid for the cleanups (as they should.. it's their mess) it'd be a bit better, but who knows....

THat was one biased article.

[BY97]

Where can I send a letter to York telling him I think he's doing a good job?
The SF 49ers, in the person of Chrissy Mauck, can be communicated with through this site. She can be PM'd as 49ersDirector, and she has an e-mail address.

Whether or not she would be willing to forward something to John York, would of course be at her own discretion.

[LOS41510]

This is what happens when our country is run by a REPUBLICAN PARIS HILTON.. HAW HAW!!

bush's spending so much on his pointless iraq war that he spent all if every part of the military budget on the war.. the budget also involved urban renewal/toxic clean up..

LOS

BELCH!!

[Roaring Back]

:nonono:

No? Not good? There's a chance the team might stay in it's home city and that's bad?

Santa Clara Giants:pigfly:
Santa Clara Warriors:pigfly:
Santa Clara A's:pigfly:
Santa Clara 49ers??

[Roaring Back]

Nope. The team needs to get to Santa Clara.

And how.

But, they're the San Francisco 49ers.

[9erMan]

As a STH, I'm willing to pay more per seat for a new stadium that's tailgate and access friendly. A nice, new stadium is a nice, new stadium, period! I could care less about the scenic view around the stadium....hell, for years I've been looking at the ugly dump of a ghetto we're in now at The Stick!

Good point D-Man. It’s almost an inevitable conclusion that with a new stadium will come higher ticket prices. It’s only a question of how much bang the STH will get for the buck.

If the new stadium stays in SF, the ticket price is certain to be even higher than if the new stadium is built in Santa Clara. What can be built in SF compared to what can be built in SC leaves us paying more for less if it is built in SF and paying less for more if it is built in SC.

A view of the bay is a non-issue for me. The 60 years in SF means nothing to me because the 49ers aren’t leaving San Francisco. I don’t consider a new stadium 35 miles away a team move.

San Franciscans want their cake and they want to eat it too. They don’t want the team to play in a stadium 35 miles away but they aren’t willing to pay enough money to keep the team in SF. So they BOO and HOO and watch the stadium get built elsewhere.

I hope they cancel their season tickets. I want to get the best seats possible and I have no doubt the new stadium will sell out just like the Arizona Cardinals (formerly Phoenix Cardinals) sold out their new stadium in Glendale AZ.

[FriscoNative415]

Personally I think that if Eddie was still in control the 9ers wouldn't move at all. The Yorks are not football people, they are business people, and IMO are selfish and are thinking only of themselves and what they will be getting out of it. The 9ers have been in SF for 60years from Kezar stadium to Candlestick Park and they shouldn't leave. Eddie had a passion for the team and would do anything for them, and he to would probably agree that the 9ers should stay in SF.

[altwizzy]

i know the the 49ers want to keep the same name, but i heard that the city of sanfran is going to court over it, so I just wanted to know what are chances are on keeping the same name cuz i live in ohio and thats all i care about

[9erMan]

i know the the 49ers want to keep the same name, but i heard that the city of sanfran is going to court over it, so I just wanted to know what are chances are on keeping the same name cuz i live in ohio and thats all i care about

The politicians who are making the “name change” threats don’t have a leg to stand on or one chance in a million of getting the 49ers to make the name change. They are simply trying to get their faces on TV and get a little airtime by making idle threats. Even those that oppose having the stadium built in SF will tell you the name change will never happen.

[9erMan]

Personally I think that if Eddie was still in control the 9ers wouldn't move at all.

First of all, the 49ers aren’t moving. Get that through your head. Second, Eddie isn’t in control of the 49ers so let it go already. Third, Eddie did threaten to move the team back in the day so learn to live with reality.

The Yorks are not football people, they are business people, and IMO are selfish and are thinking only of themselves and what they will be getting out of it.

Are you old enough to remember the criticism of Eddie? If so, have you forgotten that he didn’t know squat and wasn’t perfect his first few years either?

The 9ers have been in SF for 60years from Kezar stadium to Candlestick Park and they shouldn't leave.

They aren’t leaving. The stadium will be 35 miles away. If you SF residents wanted the stadium to be in SF so bad, you should have done a lot more to get it done a long time ago.

Leaving would be something like a move to Los Angeles (witch Eddie threatened to do more than once). “Leaving” isn’t building the new stadium 35 miles away from the old stadium. When will you San Franciscans get that through your heads and put your pocket books where your egos are? You could keep the 49ers stadium in SF if it meant that much to you, as a city, but it doesn’t and you know it.

Eddie had a passion for the team and would do anything for them, and he to would probably agree that the 9ers should stay in SF.

Yes, Eddie had a passion for the team but Eddie had no loyalty to the City of San Francisco per se because SF did nothing to help him and as such, he would have taken the team wherever he needed to take it to give it the best chance of success. That’s what York is doing.

Let me say it again because those of you in SF are a little slow in understanding this: the 49ers aren’t moving! The stadium is moving 35 miles away so that all of us 49er fans can have the best stadium possible for the best price possible.

If you are so stuck on the “only in the big city” thing, you better be ready to fork over big dollars and let your taxes go through the roof because there are other options in the SF Bay Area that won’t require a move out of the SF area but will net a much better stadium for a much lower price.

Get used to it. The City is what it is and only you can change it.

[Fromthe3rdRow]

Rep to 9erman.

You would think the residents of San Francisco would start to get a clue by now.

They've had 10 years to put out a welcome mat for the team, and have literally done zilch.

If the residents of Babylon by the Bay really want the stadium built in their fair city - they really need to stop whining about the Yors and spending more time kicking their local politicians in the butt.

Holding a press party to display the plan which the Niners already declined was a total waste of everyone's time. Seriously San Francisco - is that the best you can do?

Why not bring it down here to the South Bay, where perhaps we can show our neighbors to the North how to really get things done....

[DaHonorable49er]

Personally I think that if Eddie was still in control the 9ers wouldn't move at all. The Yorks are not football people, they are business people, and IMO are selfish and are thinking only of themselves and what they will be getting out of it. The 9ers have been in SF for 60years from Kezar stadium to Candlestick Park and they shouldn't leave. Eddie had a passion for the team and would do anything for them, and he to would probably agree that the 9ers should stay in SF.

You know, the thing I don't get with people around here is that they just can't move on with what is presently occurring rather than what happened in the past. Eddie is long-gone and he is not coming back, so let Eddie come by and do his visits and retiring ceremonies and let him be where he is. There is no Montana anymore, no Rice, no Lott, no Walsh. York has come into a situation where he started in Salary Cap Hell and had a GM in Donahue that continued to put him deeper and deeper in Salary Cap Hell until he decided to count his losses and clean house. Now, he's presenting the fans with a new product. He's brought a new sheriff in town in Nolan who hasn't been flawless, but all and all is helping to turn this franchise around with the help of Lal Heneghan, Paraaq Marathe, Scott McCloughan and Staff. Now he's trying to continue the progress of this product with a new stadium. So what it's 30 miles away?

Texas Stadium is not located in Dallas, but in Irvin (a suburb of Dallas)and that doesn't seem to be an issue for the Cowgurls (No One is trying to name them the Irvin Cowboys ;) ). So what's the big deal? I live in Mississippi and don't have the pleasure of driving 30 miles to see a professional game. The New Orleans Saints is the nearest franchise which is roughly 2 1/2 Hours speeding :shades: from my hometown, and I'd make that drive any chance I got if that meant I would be able to see the team that I love play football.

Tailgating is one of the ultimate pleasures in attending a football game, whether its a home game or an away game, so I can see why York is rejecting this idea. I mean how many guys want to tailgate on top of a 20 story parking garage? You get tipsy enough as it is at ground level, so imagine looking off the top of that parking garage (:help: to Earl) ! :mouthclosed:

All I'm saying is be a little open minded and look at the big picture: more options to and from the game, more opportunities for the ultimate fan experience, better game atmosphere, real opportunity to showcase a new product at a new high tech facility with less dollars and time spent, more opportunity to land big events in the area. If SF natives are worried about money leaving the community, I don't see that happening if what you say is true about there being nothing else in Santa Clara other than the park. I mean, why stay and party in Santa Clara, when after the game you could enjoy the beautiful city of San Francisco and all it has to offer?

I'm just sayin.....

[Roaring Back]

The politicians who are making the “name change” threats don’t have a leg to stand on or one chance in a million of getting the 49ers to make the name change. They are simply trying to get their faces on TV and get a little airtime by making idle threats. Even those that oppose having the stadium built in SF will tell you the name change will never happen.

It could happen. The City (and County) of Santa Clara have GIVEN NO ASSURANCES THAT IT WON'T HAPPEN.

Santa Clara Niners, Santa Clara 49ers, Santa Clara Saberkatz.

Oh, my.

Should the Giants move to Union City? Replace "SF" with "UCG"

Nice.

[Peter Proud]

I can't decide which one is worse:

The politician that makes it so hard to start and maintain a business in San Francisco...or the politician that screams and cries when a business decides to take that business else where because of all the hoops he has to jump thru to stay in business.

Wait, you mean to say that it isn't 2 different politicians? It's the same politician and he holds office in San Francisco? Imagine that!!!!:unsure:

[Niner Jan]

I was reading that and it really is a great idea. THE TEAM NEEDS TO STAY IN THE CITY!

Why? The team could still be called the SF 49ers even if they play in Santa Clara--a much better choice for the fans, as far as parking, public transit, less traffic congestion, less expense for needing improvements (already provided by SC).

If Dallas, New York Giants, New York Jets, etc. can keep their original names and not play in the metropolitan cities, why deny the 49ers from the same?

Niner Mom :boxing:

Newsom is just upset to lose revenue from the stadium if it moves to Santa Clara. That's all he cares about...$$$

[BY97]

Personally I think that if Eddie was still in control the 9ers wouldn't move at all.
Not true. Eddie was threatening to move the team in 1991. SF convinced him to extend the lease and remain after SF committed $90 mil to upgrades to Candlestick park. The upgrades were nowhere near adequate, but Eddie took it as a show of faith that a new stadium would be addressed in the future - before the lease extension expired.

Would Eddie's stadium/mall plan in 1997 have become a reality if he hadn't gotten in trouble with the law? Perhaps, but it was only in the planning stage at the time, and we've seen a lot of plans go through SF and get shot down. But if Eddie were still in control of the Niners today, and the stadium situation were as it is now - 15 years after Eddie was promised a new stadium by the city and Dianne Feinstein...

...he'd say "I'm Outa Here!" faster than the Yorks.

[Fromthe3rdRow]

I'm not sure if all this misinformation is due to revisionist history, blind hatred or total ignorance.

Puleeeze people - stick to the facts. Trying to sway the opinions of others using exaggerations assumptions and out right prevarication is a total waste of everyone's time.

[Fromthe3rdRow]

..... Newsom is just upset to lose revenue from the stadium if it moves to Santa Clara. That's all he cares about...$$$ I think he is also very concerned about how losing the stadium will hurt his political career. Ultimately, this would be more damaging to the mayor than the financial impact of losing the stadium.

It will be difficult for his administration to over come the negative impact of losing this deal. The deal should be a slam dunk. I mean, considering all of the dedicated Niner fans who live in SF - the rabid fans who are willing to dig into their own pockets to keep the stadium in SF - you'd think it would be a easy. Real easy. Really ....

[NolansTheMan]

Plans For 07' (http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/sports/football/nfl/san_francisco_49ers/16129836.htm)

it looks like their still make a considerable effort to stay in the city by the bay

[OrovilleTim]

it looks like their still make a considerable effort to stay in the city by the bay

That's a big Bay, with lots of cities by it :rolleyes2:

[juice]

my conspiracy theory about the new stadium in ties with great america now seem plausible.

[Fromthe3rdRow]

Exposed! Gotta like it.

Proof positive that politicians populating "Babylon by the Bay" are boobs!

[val49erfan]

suppose you would call it typical small-town behavior.But my goodness, are the politicians in San Francisco living up to their status as representatives of the Bay Area's Second-Largest City.

mercury news (http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/football/nfl/san_francisco_49ers/16137751.htm)

Great article and LOVE your avatar/sig!! :clapping:

[area49]

Hey, does anyone here think that the bills introduced by Feinstein and Midgen will pass? Could the unthinkable (49ers moving to LA) eventually happen?

[matineematt]

I believe the suits when they say the team is staying in the Bay Area. Keep in mind that LA's stadium situation is even worse than what we have here. That region blew through two teams in part because of unsatisfactory facilities. On top of that, the populace doesn't seem to care and likes having its pick of games on Sundays. Only the NFL seems to want a team in LA, and I very much doubt they would put a team there at the expense of a bellweather franchise like ours.

[Niner Jan]

No, I don't think the 49ers will ever move to LA. If anything, the STADIUM will be in Santa Clara, where the team's practice facility and headquarters are located.

Politicians!!!

Niner Mom :shades: :sf49: :jay:

[LOS41510]

If my fellow faithful niners would'nt mind

1) L.A ( or los angeles ) will never have a football team. There stadium situation has been going on since the RAMS and RAIDERS left the city. There not a city that dedicates itself to pro sports.. except the dodgers and lakers.

2) Politics has limited saying on sports.. other than steriods or things that involve the safety and wellbeing of the nation and public. So its more than likely only time will tell of Migden and Fienstiens bill will ever work

3) The NFL has rights to do what it wants

for me i dont want them to leave san francisco but.. if they have to buiild in santa clara then be it. Im still a faithful niners fan from here to eternity ( i.e. 4 LIFE ). Thank you

LOS

YEEE

[Dynastic]

The NFL has trademarked the name "San Francisco 49ers." It should be pretty fun watching a jaded politician try to pass off some silly bill against already established trademark laws.

[area49]

The NFL has trademarked the name "San Francisco 49ers." It should be pretty fun watching a jaded politician try to pass off some silly bill against already established trademark laws.

Are you sure about the name thing?

What about Midgen's bill that would forbid any city within 100 miles from luring an NFL team? Do you think that will pass?

[LOS41510]

Are you sure about the name thing?

What about Midgen's bill that would forbid any city within 100 miles from luring an NFL team? Do you think that will pass?
More than likely no. The NFL has rights and owners have somethign to say on since they know they get money off of moving. We've seen this happen to Art Modell when he moved the o.g. Cleveland Browns to what would become the Baltimore Ravens. So to answer youre question NO!

LOS

YEE:sf49:

[area49]

More than likely no. The NFL has rights and owners have somethign to say on since they know they get money off of moving. We've seen this happen to Art Modell when he moved the o.g. Cleveland Browns to what would become the Baltimore Ravens. So to answer youre question NO!

LOS

YEE:sf49:

Didn't the city of Cleveland force Modell to leave the name?

[Fromthe3rdRow]

Hey, does anyone here think that the bills introduced by Feinstein and Midgen will pass? Could the unthinkable (49ers moving to LA) eventually happen?Uhm, first off - if you work for either of those politicians - and are here just trying to get a feel for what the fans think - Jeesh - gimme a break - go spend the money for a real focus group.

Second - I believe the politicians really don't care what happens, as long as they get their names in the paper.

And finally - no. I doubt either proposal will get very far.

[LOS41510]

Didn't the city of Cleveland force Modell to leave the name?

Yes fellow faithful youre correct. but man i dont want san francisco to be teamless for years.. plus think about it.. we'd be the 1st super bowl team to have lost its franchise and then have it rise from the dead.. i dont want the cleveland deal to happen but if it does then ill be faithful today tomarrow, 10 20 30 40 years from now no matter.

los

yeee!

[Fromthe3rdRow]

Again - let's be sure we are clear on this issue.

The San Francisco 49ers are NOT moving. The team headquarters have been located in Santa Clara, California for about 20 years now. The owners have said nothing about moving the team.

Ten to twelve times a year, the team plays football in a old decaying run-down stadium which happens to be located in San Francisco. For years, the stadium has suffered from neglect by it's landlords - the city of San Francisco. The Niners pay rent to play in that stadium, and the city has done little to maintain it or keep it in any type of servicable condition.

The team has been negotiating with the city of San Francisco to build a new stadium in their fair city for over a decade - with no results.

The team has finally decided they will build a new stadium outside of the San Francisco city limits - but still within the region known as the San Francisco bay area.

They are not MOVING - despite what the politicians of San Franciso would like you to believe. They would like you to believe the Yorks are trying to steal the Niners from San Francisco.

Nothing could be further from the truth. All they want is a new stadium - and since San Francisco has failed in their efforts to assist them - they are going to try for a new site just a short drive away.

Don't let the politicians of San Francisco fool you into thinking something is happening which is not. They are trying to mislead you since they are too embarrassed to admit they blew it - they lost out on the chance to have a new stadium built in their city - and they made fools of themselves in front of the entire planet by losing their chance at hosting the Olympics.

Don't let them pull the wool over your eyes.

[Fromthe3rdRow]

They are moving to Santa Fe NM so they can keep the SF on their helmet.:nana:
Me ----> :slap: <--- Frosty

Now cut that out! They was already all confused and stuff. You're not helping.:tung:

Now were gonna have to deal with a dozen York haters posting hate mail for moving the team out into the middle of a freakin desert.....

Sheesh.

[linkboy]

Again - let's be sure we are clear on this issue.

The San Francisco 49ers are NOT moving. The team headquarters have been located in Santa Clara, California for about 20 years now. The owners have said nothing about moving the team.

Ten to twelve times a year, the team plays football in a old decaying run-down stadium which happens to be located in San Francisco. For years, the stadium has suffered from neglect by it's landlords - the city of San Francisco. The Niners pay rent to play in that stadium, and the city has done little to maintain it or keep it in any type of servicable condition.

The team has been negotiating with the city of San Francisco to build a new stadium in their fair city for over a decade - with no results.

The team has finally decided they will build a new stadium outside of the San Francisco city limits - but still within the region known as the San Francisco bay area.

They are not MOVING - despite what the politicians of San Franciso would like you to believe. They would like you to believe the Yorks are trying to steal the Niners from San Francisco.

Nothing could be further from the truth. All they want is a new stadium - and since San Francisco has failed in their efforts to assist them - they are going to try for a new site just a short drive away.

Don't let the politicians of San Francisco fool you into thinking something is happening which is not. They are trying to mislead you since they are too embarrassed to admit they blew it - they lost out on the chance to have a new stadium built in their city - and they made fools of themselves in front of the entire planet by losing their chance at hosting the Olympics.

Don't let them pull the wool over your eyes.

Fromthe3rdRow, hit the nail on the head.

The reason why the city is whining like babies is becuase losing the 49ers will cost them money.

San Francisco makes money from the rent of the stadium, the fans traveling to the city to watch the game from out of town, etc.

Read this article about the state of Candlestick/Monster Park (there is also a post about it)

Monster Park falling apart (http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/sports/football/nfl/san_francisco_49ers/16260691.htm)

This never should have became a political issue, at the state or federal level. The reason the politicians got involved is because it helps their career if they prevent the 49ers from moving (it makes them look good at the sake of the 49ers).

IMO, the federal government should be more concerened about the economy and Iraq, not a football team.

[drewdawg49]

DOES ANYONE KNOW THE DEAL ABOUT THE NINERS MOVING TO SANTA CLARA AND CHANGING THEIR NAME? IS THIS TRUE? IF ANYONE HAS ANY INFO PLEASE LET ME KNOW,THANKS.:phone:

[drewdawg49]

DOES ANYONE KNOW THE DEAL ABOUT THE NINERS MOVING TO SANTA CLARA AND CHANGING THIER NAME? CAN THIS BE TRUE? ANYONE KNOW PLEASE LET ME KNOW.:phone: :help:

[BladeX]

YES. They will move IF a new Stadium is built.

NO. They wont ever change thier name.

MAYBE. You should take the caps off.

[magmaman]

Seriously, what is it with tards and caps?:tease:

[drewdawg49]

:sflogo:

[Fromthe3rdRow]

For starters - this was recently posted in another thread.

http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showpost.php?p=420900&postcount=11

To answer your question about when - I believe the team indicated they plan to provide more information next month.

Stay tuned!

[49erFanFoLife]

yea just like what BladeX says explains some of it!

[Fromthe3rdRow]

yea just like what BladeX says explains some of it!Actually, Blade's first answer is wrong. The Niners are not moving. There are no plans to relocate team headquarters from Santa Clara.

They are planning to build a new stadium - and at this point, they are focusing on building a new stadium in Santa Clara as well.

They are NOT moving.

[matineematt]

The team has repeatedly said that it is not leaving the Bay Area.

They want to maximize revenue generation by building a more modern stadium. They have said they will present an option for Santa Clara in January.

They have also said they want to maximize the fan experience by ensuring comfort and enough lot space for tailgating. We hardy denizens of Monster Park may not know how to handle that prosperity!

[photomonkey]

An interesting read to be sure...

From the San Jose Mercury News:

York: 49ers `open' to staying in S.F.
NFL CHIEF LIKES SOUTH BAY SITE, SHE SAYS
By Mike Swift - Mercury News

This fall, a month before the San Francisco 49ers decided to abandon plans for a new stadium at Candlestick Point, team owners brought the commissioner of the National Football League to an empty parking lot in Santa Clara where the team now hopes to build a stadium by 2012.

``Roger Goodell looked around and he said to us, `This is a no-brainer. This is where your stadium should be,' '' 49ers owner Denise DeBartolo York told the Mercury News on Thursday in her first extensive interview about the team's plans to pursue a stadium in Silicon Valley.

In a wide-ranging telephone conversation from her offices in Youngstown, Ohio, York described Santa Clara's front-runner status and San Francisco's flickering efforts to keep the team. However, she revealed the 49ers are working with Sen. Dianne Feinstein to review alternative stadium sites in San Francisco.

MORE...

LINK: http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/16343126.htm

[San_Fran_49ers]

thanks for the link.

too bad she was on vacation, I wanted to hear what Feinstein had to say.

[photomonkey]

thanks for the link.

too bad she was on vacation, I wanted to hear what Feinstein had to say.

Same here, but I don't think she has a leg to stand on at this point. But who knows, maybe she can make something happen with Hunters Point. Quite the drama.

[val49erfan]

Feinstein needs to keep herself busy dealing with the more important issues going on with the country IMO. She has no business trying to mitigate this deal, naming rights or anything else related to the Niners.

[photomonkey]

Feinstein needs to keep herself busy dealing with the more important issues going on with the country IMO. She has no business trying to mitigate this deal, naming rights or anything else related to the Niners.

mitigate: to alleviate; to lessen; to soothe; to soften; to appease

Not sure if that's what you mean, but either way, she is acting on behalf of powerful constituents, which is her job.

On the other hand, I totally agree with you that she has much more pressing issues that she should be dealing with:

1. Iraq War
2. Health Care Costs
3. Environmental Issues
4. Campaign Finance Reform
5. Legalization of Medical Marijuana
6. Immigration Reform
7. etc., etc., etc.

[Pound th' Rock]

1. Iraq War
2. Health Care Costs
3. Environmental Issues
4. Campaign Finance Reform
5. Legalization of Medical Marijuana
6. Immigration Reform
7. etc., etc., etc.

I know this probably isn't a list in order of priority, but I still find it funny that legalization of marijuana is listed above immigration reform. :hangloose:

[photomonkey]

I know this probably isn't a list in order of priority, but I still find it funny that legalization of marijuana is listed above immigration reform. :hangloose:

I hear ya...and you're right, the list is definitely not in any specific order. :ski:

[9rz4life]

I was pretty irritated about Feinstein sticking her nose into this and wrote her an e-mail expressing my displeasure. I've voted for her each and every time she's run for the Senate and I'd rather she concentrated on national issues rather than getting involved in whether or not the name "San Francisco" should appear in my beloved NFL team's moniker. Here's the (form) letter I got back from Feinstein (or whichever subordinate handles her correspondence):

Dear Mr. Name Witheld:

Thank you for writing to me about my involvement in the
matter of the 49ers leaving San Francisco. I appreciate the
opportunity to respond.

I have read your letter and first would like you to know that
I spend virtually all of my time on matters concerning California
and our nation. However, I am also a 49ers fan and was Mayor of
San Francisco for nine years, during which I negotiated with the
organization on several matters. I would very much like to see
them remain in the City of San Francisco.

Again, thank you for writing. Should you have any
additional concerns or comments, I hope that you will contact me
again. You can always reach my Washington, DC staff at (202) 224-3841.





Sincerely yours,

Dianne Feinstein
United States Senator

[val49erfan]

I was pretty irritated about Feinstein sticking her nose into this and wrote her an e-mail expressing my displeasure. I've voted for her each and every time she's run for the Senate and I'd rather she concentrated on national issues rather than getting involved in whether or not the name "San Francisco" should appear in my beloved NFL team's moniker. Here's the (form) letter I got back from Feinstein (or whichever subordinate handles her correspondence):

I agree 100%. I will not vote for her one more time if she doesnt get back to what she is supposed to be concerned with......

[matineematt]

The key figure in today's story is that 30% of the season ticket base is in the South Bay as opposed to 9% in San Francisco, the same as Sacramento(!). This is truly a regional franchise. When this data is combined with the geography and the gameday experience it is easy to see why the NFL Commissioner reportedly called choosing the Santa Clara site a no-brainer.

[San_Fran_49ers]

Same here, but I don't think she has a leg to stand on at this point. But who knows, maybe she can make something happen with Hunters Point. Quite the drama.

Yeah, just reading about what she's said narks me off. Why wouldn't you do what you can for a team with one of the most distinguished histories in the league? Isn't it good for the city that they're the "San Francisco" 49ers? I'm not saying stick you neck and your job on the line but trying to ban them from using the name they're history is based on if they move to Santa Clara? That sucks. The Jets/Giants stadium is in New Jersey for crying out loud and New York loves them!

I bet she's secretly a Raiders fan... :spy: :tung:

[Roaring Back]

``We're open to any ideas the city might have,'' York said before boarding a flight to watch the 49ers play in Denver on Sunday. ``Because of our legacy, our first ideal preference would be to stay in San Francisco. But, you know, we're kind of running out of time to solve the stadium problem.''

YORK: 49ERS 'OPEN' TO STAYING IN S.F.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/16343126.htm

The Santa Clara proposal died the day Lisa Lang announced it would be a "public / private" project. We've been down this road before folks with the Giants and A's. Santa Clara County will not approve public money for this project. They'll have to figure out a way to build in SF, or they're gone.

[carloscbs5]

http://cbs5.com/sports/local_story_363151940.html

[d49er49]

thanks man, awesome, even though they dont say much, its exiting u knoW?1

[TheWiz]

It is a no-brainer. As noted in the article the site has ridiculously good transportation access and it's in an excellent region ripe for that type of investment. It's got restaurants and other attractions nearby, plety of space for parking and tailgating and it's a stones throw from team facilities. The finances even favor it. It will place the team closer to a large chunk of it's already current season ticket base and make it more accessible to nearby communities.

The only thing people don't like is that it's not in San Francisco. Some people might have to actually leave their homes an extra hour early to enjoy the home games.

Which would you rather have: A cruddy, squashed and compact stadium close to you or a spread out, lavish game experience you'll need to travel to see a few times a year.

[Fromthe3rdRow]

``We're open to any ideas the city might have,'' York said before boarding a flight to watch the 49ers play in Denver on Sunday. ``Because of our legacy, our first ideal preference would be to stay in San Francisco. But, you know, we're kind of running out of time to solve the stadium problem.''

YORK: 49ERS 'OPEN' TO STAYING IN S.F.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/16343126.htm

The Santa Clara proposal died the day Lisa Lang announced it would be a "public / private" project. We've been down this road before folks with the Giants and A's. Santa Clara County will not approve public money for this project. They'll have to figure out a way to build in SF, or they're gone.

Wow. I find it difficult to arrive at the same conclusions you did after actually reading the story you posted. Yes, the Giants and the A's have approached Santa Clara in the past, but the Niners are doing this a bit differently. They have clearly stated the Santa Clara site has their primary focus. The MLB teams were clearly trying to play one city against the other during their negotiations.

According to what I've read on this issue, the Niner's also hope to present financing which will have minimal impact the city's general fund. Of course, only a Polly Anna would believe there would be absolutetly no cost to the city and it's taxpayers, but I recommend a little more research before proclaiming "they're gone".

Here is a link to a few stories which might be helpful.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/football/nfl/san_francisco_49ers/more_news.htm?pub_id=111&category_id=1009409&days_range=3000&start_row=1

[Roaring Back]

[QUOTE=Fromthe3rdRow]The MLB teams were clearly trying to play one city against the other during their negotiations.[QUOTE]

Exactly what the Yorks are doing.

[Eric 80]

As a Southern Californian I want to say this is a bunch of crap. Feinstein is a state Senator. I am part of this state and I don't feel she serving the entire state. Her job is not to mind a small section of the state that are irrelevant to the rest. She needs to serve the entire state.

[Local49ersFan]

``We're open to any ideas the city might have,'' York said before boarding a flight to watch the 49ers play in Denver on Sunday. ``Because of our legacy, our first ideal preference would be to stay in San Francisco. But, you know, we're kind of running out of time to solve the stadium problem.''

YORK: 49ERS 'OPEN' TO STAYING IN S.F.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/16343126.htm

The Santa Clara proposal died the day Lisa Lang announced it would be a "public / private" project. We've been down this road before folks with the Giants and A's. Santa Clara County will not approve public money for this project. They'll have to figure out a way to build in SF, or they're gone.

I agree with you. Even though other people may find it difficult to understand why SF would spend hundreds of millions a year on the homeless but not a stadium for the team that bears its name (the irony with the homeless service is that the better it is, the more it attracts until the system can no longer supports it, which is a sad and no win situation).

Let's see how much the people in Santa Clara can sacrifice for the new stadium. It won't be easy as we have seen the MLB deals failed before. Otherwise I am afraid we'll lose the team.

[LOS41510]

Of course he would say taht. what else do expect from people who want to move to a place where there's a @## load of money around the area. Besides yeah we should make the new stadium at hunters point... since were already turning candlestick into a mini villiage ( mall, condo's muni ) plus it'll help the area which we know santa clara doesnt look at or care about.. but whatever.. in the meanwhile, the minute that fienstien hears about that.. oh watch.. its on

DING DING DING!!

LOS

FRISCO SCO NINERS FOR LIFE BABY!!!

[fabie]

I say convert the whole Alcatraz Island into a 49ers stadium! I have proposed this before!

Think about the possibilities of the name of our stadium!:falldownlaugh:

[LOS41510]

I say convert the whole Alcatraz Island into a 49ers stadium! I have proposed this before!

Think about the possibilities of the name of our stadium!:falldownlaugh:

ISLA SORNA? GALAPAGOS ISLAND? hahaha na jk uhh GOLDEN FALL OF DEATH ISLAND

it would be cool but alot of people like to tailgate.. unless the team can supply them with at least 100's of boats for tailgating and the drunks... well.. uh oh


drunks: HEEYYY!!! BURRRP!!.. DAHH!! ( SPLASH!! )

me: oh well looks like Jaws is going to make dinner outta him

LOS

Still fabie good idea YEE!!

[fabie]

ISLA SORNA? GALAPAGOS ISLAND? hahaha na jk uhh GOLDEN FALL OF DEATH ISLAND

it would be cool but alot of people like to tailgate.. unless the team can supply them with at least 100's of boats for tailgating and the drunks... well.. uh oh


drunks: HEEYYY!!! BURRRP!!.. DAHH!! ( SPLASH!! )

me: oh well looks like Jaws is going to make dinner outta him

LOS

Still fabie good idea YEE!!They can put a big bridge!!!! And yes, floating tailgate parties! :banana6:

[DraconisRex]

``We're open to any ideas the city might have,'' York said before boarding a flight to watch the 49ers play in Denver on Sunday. ``Because of our legacy, our first ideal preference would be to stay in San Francisco. But, you know, we're kind of running out of time to solve the stadium problem.''

YORK: 49ERS 'OPEN' TO STAYING IN S.F.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/16343126.htm

The Santa Clara proposal died the day Lisa Lang announced it would be a "public / private" project. We've been down this road before folks with the Giants and A's. Santa Clara County will not approve public money for this project. They'll have to figure out a way to build in SF, or they're gone.


They're using private money to build the stadium, not asking for a hand-out. Also, the 49ers to Santa Clara is a much-more bonafide possibity than the A's or Giants who were using Santa Clara to leverage their respective cities.

[matineematt]

We only have to wait a few weeks until the team makes the Santa Clara proposal. Let's wait to see what it is before we declare it dead. It makes sense on so many levels (location, nearby season ticket holders, gameday experience, revenue generation for team, etc..) that we should at least keep an open mind until it is presented. The Yorks and those they've hired have earned the benefit of the doubt if for no other reason than the big on-field improvement this year.

[San_Fran_49ers]

I don't know if it was already posted, it doesn't give that much info but I thought I'd throw it out here anyway.

http://cbs5.com/sports/local_story_003094628.html

Newsom also says the new location could be ready by the team's 2012 deadline.

I wonder if that's really possible, depending on if/when they would start building.

[Niner Jan]

These politicians make me sick! They expect the 49ers to solve THEIR problems that they as city planners/managers should be handling.

I hope the Santa Clara stadium goes through. SF has had a decade to fix up all that was wrong at Candlestick--and they have done little about it.

Too late now!

However, I read just this morning (1/3) that Dr. York has set up a meeting on 1/16 with SF. I hope he sticks to his guns in Santa Clara and makes everything crystal clear to them.

I wish I could get involved in helping out with this project. Maybe there is something I can do clerically; I'll check into it.

[SC9erFan]

Freeway access is bad enough for Candlestick, let alone Hunter's Point. Newsom is nothing if not a political opportunist - nearly everything he's notably done or taken part in since taking office has been some type of political stunt. I'm glad to see that the York's are smarter than to buy into it.

[BrielleSF]

Hi. I'm new to the boards but an old time 49er fan. I recently joined the boards because I was tired of reading post after post of how this stadium debacle is all San Francisco's fault. It is my understanding that things fell apart because BOTH SIDES made mistakes. I am suspiscious of both sides and feel honsetly that it is EVERYONE'S fault! The Yorks had a $100 million bond measure waiting for them when they took over the team. Why didn't they use it? Why did it take until 2004 for the city and the Yorks to get serious about discussing the stadium again?

My family has held season tickets for 4 generations now. My great uncle was a controller for the 49ers when they started at Kezar. He and my grandfather began going to games then and the tickets have been passed down through our family ever since. Now that my dad stopped going, my brother and I share the tickets for the season. As someone who attends 4-5 games/year I understand better than most the need for a new stadium. The Stick is in dire need of some help. It's a dive to say the least. However, I also am a loyal fan to the team AND to the City of San Francisco. To me the team and the city have gone hand in hand for 60 years now. Separating the two after all this time would be a sad day to say the least.

Also I would like to say that had the Yorks taken better care to prepare fans for their announcement, it might have been met with less resistance. This newest issue is one in a long line of incidents that has occurred since the Yorks have taken ownership of the team that have isolated and angered longtime 49er fans. Forgive me if I like many other 49er and San Francisco faithful are incredibly mistrustful and angry at how they have handled our beloved team.

49er faithful fan and resident of San francisco

[San_Fran_49ers]

I really think it would be a shame if the SF officials made the 49ers change their name though. To ban them from using the name San Francisco 49ers would be awful.

But anyway, I find this whole stadium debacle fascinating! :tung:

[AlexSmith5rings]

These politicians make me sick! They expect the 49ers to solve THEIR problems that they as city planners/managers should be handling.

I hope the Santa Clara stadium goes through. SF has had a decade to fix up all that was wrong at Candlestick--and they have done little about it.

Too late now!

However, I read just this morning (1/3) that Dr. York has set up a meeting on 1/16 with SF. I hope he sticks to his guns in Santa Clara and makes everything crystal clear to them.

I wish I could get involved in helping out with this project. Maybe there is something I can do clerically; I'll check into it.
:wacko:

[Peter Proud]

Hi. I'm new to the boards but an old time 49er fan. I recently joined the boards because I was tired of reading post after post of how this stadium debacle is all San Francisco's fault. It is my understanding that things fell apart because BOTH SIDES made mistakes. I am suspiscious of both sides and feel honsetly that it is EVERYONE'S fault! The Yorks had a $100 million bond measure waiting for them when they took over the team. Why didn't they use it? Why did it take until 2004 for the city and the Yorks to get serious about discussing the stadium again?

My family has held season tickets for 4 generations now. My great uncle was a controller for the 49ers when they started at Kezar. He and my grandfather began going to games then and the tickets have been passed down through our family ever since. Now that my dad stopped going, my brother and I share the tickets for the season. As someone who attends 4-5 games/year I understand better than most the need for a new stadium. The Stick is in dire need of some help. It's a dive to say the least. However, I also am a loyal fan to the team AND to the City of San Francisco. To me the team and the city have gone hand in hand for 60 years now. Separating the two after all this time would be a sad day to say the least.

Also I would like to say that had the Yorks taken better care to prepare fans for their announcement, it might have been met with less resistance. This newest issue is one in a long line of incidents that has occurred since the Yorks have taken ownership of the team that have isolated and angered longtime 49er fans. Forgive me if I like many other 49er and San Francisco faithful are incredibly mistrustful and angry at how they have handled our beloved team.

49er faithful fan and resident of San francisco

Nice to hear from part of that 9% Season Ticket base.:wink:

[Hopper15]

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/CAPS10501032254.jpg

This is the spot.

[San_Fran_49ers]

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/CAPS10501032254.jpg

This is the spot.

Yeah, I saw a couple pictures. Didn't really get much of an idea on how big it is but if they offered it, its probably quite a nice size.

[matineematt]

The 49ers are wise to keep their options open and to respond to Mayor Newsom with the respect and courtesy his office deserves. That said, can anyone imagine the headaches one would incur battling surface streets to get to Hunter's Point? One of the reasons the Chargers are unhappy with their stadium, and occasionally threaten to move to LA, is its lack of proximity to any freeway and the agony their fans have before and, particularly, after games battling traffic. Do we want that scenario here? I think not. Wherever the stadium winds up, let's make sure that it serves the team well enough so that there is no buyer's remorse and no reason to look elsewhere. Right now, it looks more like Santa Clara, but let's see how the
49ers Santa Clara presentation reads.

[San_Fran_49ers]

The 49ers are wise to keep their options open and to respond to Mayor Newsom with the respect and courtesy his office deserves. That said, can anyone imagine the headaches one would incur battling surface streets to get to Hunter's Point? One of the reasons the Chargers are unhappy with their stadium, and occasionally threaten to move to LA, is its lack of proximity to any freeway and the agony their fans have before and, particularly, after games battling traffic. Do we want that scenario here? I think not. Wherever the stadium winds up, let's make sure that it serves the team well enough so that there is no buyer's remorse and no reason to look elsewhere. Right now, it looks more like Santa Clara, but let's see how the
49ers Santa Clara presentation reads.

Did you see that article on the 49ers home page?
Awful.

[matineematt]

I just looked on the home page. Didn't see anything awful. To which article are you referring?

[San_Fran_49ers]

I just looked on the home page. Didn't see anything awful. To which article are you referring?

Whoops, nevermind! I scanned it in a hurry and I thought it was something else. Sorry about that, my brain is switched on now!:wacko:

[Roaring Back]

Hi. I'm new to the boards but an old time 49er fan. I recently joined the boards because I was tired of reading post after post of how this stadium debacle is all San Francisco's fault. It is my understanding that things fell apart because BOTH SIDES made mistakes. I am suspiscious of both sides and feel honsetly that it is EVERYONE'S fault! The Yorks had a $100 million bond measure waiting for them when they took over the team. Why didn't they use it? Why did it take until 2004 for the city and the Yorks to get serious about discussing the stadium again?

My family has held season tickets for 4 generations now. My great uncle was a controller for the 49ers when they started at Kezar. He and my grandfather began going to games then and the tickets have been passed down through our family ever since. Now that my dad stopped going, my brother and I share the tickets for the season. As someone who attends 4-5 games/year I understand better than most the need for a new stadium. The Stick is in dire need of some help. It's a dive to say the least. However, I also am a loyal fan to the team AND to the City of San Francisco. To me the team and the city have gone hand in hand for 60 years now. Separating the two after all this time would be a sad day to say the least.

Also I would like to say that had the Yorks taken better care to prepare fans for their announcement, it might have been met with less resistance. This newest issue is one in a long line of incidents that has occurred since the Yorks have taken ownership of the team that have isolated and angered longtime 49er fans. Forgive me if I like many other 49er and San Francisco faithful are incredibly mistrustful and angry at how they have handled our beloved team.

49er faithful fan and resident of San francisco


REP

[San_Fran_49ers]

REP


I hit BrielleSF with some too, that was a good post!

[redngold21]

“In effect, Senator Migden wants to draw a 100-mile circle around San Francisco to legislate a ‘no-49ers-stadium zone,’” said Executive Vice President of Football Operations Lal Heneghan. “If passed, the consequences of this legislation would be devastating for the 49ers and our fans throughout the Bay Area.”
The legislation, entitled SB 49, is designed to limit the team’s ability to build a new stadium in the Bay Area outside of the city limits of San Francisco. If passed, the legislation would make it virtually impossible for the team to stay in the region.
The San Francisco 49ers announced on Thursday their strong opposition to legislation introduced in Sacramento by California State Senator Carole Migden.

The team’s opposition was joined by California State Senator Elaine Alquist, who represents most of Silicon Valley. Her 13th Senate district covers the cities of San Jose, Sunnyvale, Santa Clara, Mountain View, and Gilroy. “The 49ers are a Bay Area team and an important regional asset. I strongly oppose this legislation because it hurts our chances of keeping the team in the Bay Area.”

read more here:
http://49ers.com/pressbox/news_detail.php?PRKey=2738&section=PR%20News


If this legistration is passed, the 49ers can only build a stadium in SF (not gonna happen), if the site doesnt work they will have to move to LA or another city outside the Bay Area (will happen if bill is passed).

here is this b***h's website

http://dist03.casen.govoffice.com/

There are some numbers on there you can call and oppose the legistration.

Phone: (916) 651-4003
Fax: (916) 445-4722

Call or fax in your complaint now.

[jojob101]

I am getting an error message for this link.

http://49ers.com/pressbox/news_detai...§ion=PR%20News

:link:

before I start calling anywhere... i want to read

[Nevyn]

It wasnt too hard to find

http://49ers.com/pressbox/news_detail.php?PRKey=2738&section=PR%20News

[Eric 80]

It won't pass but if it does we will see the next team in the LA market.

I don't like it at all.

SF is shooting itself in the foot.

[49er faithful11]

It justs goes to show you, SF is no longer a football city. They were on our teet back in the 80's and now they basically want to throw us out so they don't have to build a new stadium.

[redngold21]

I am getting an error message for this link.

http://49ers.com/pressbox/news_detai...§ion=PR%20News

:link:

before I start calling anywhere... i want to read

link fixed. These politicians know a site in SF wouldnt work already, they us to build the stadium on that toxic waste land, which takes to 2012 just to clean it up. That is dumb, a site in SF is not going to happen, so if this is passed say bye bye to the 49ers.

[sandiegojoe]

I ntoice her website conveniently leaves off her email address...

I found
cmigden@aol.com
from a 10 year old article....

and this from a more recent listing for her position

http://democrats.sen.ca.gov

These fricken politicians need to quit adding garbage to our too-big government. We've got a millon other thing we can be wasting tax dollars on.

[redngold21]

I ntoice her website conveniently leaves off her email address...

I found
cmigden@aol.com
from a 10 year old article....

and this from a more recent listing for her position

http://democrats.sen.ca.gov

These fricken politicians need to quit adding garbage to our too-big government. We've got a millon other thing we can be wasting tax dollars on.

Just call the #, someone will pick up right away. Tell them you want to oppose SB49 and they will take your complaint.

[Hopper15]

Relax people this bill won't be passed, just something to get Yorks attention.

[RedAlert]

Am I missing something here? Only allowing the Niners to build a Stadium in SF is just wrong. Does this have something to do with the fact that the Niners plan to continue to use the name San Francisco? This just can't pass.

[sandiegojoe]

Just call the #, someone will pick up right away. Tell them you want to oppose SB49 and they will take your complaint.

i would but i'm at work.

[sanctified]

Just call the #, someone will pick up right away. Tell them you want to oppose SB49 and they will take your complaint.
Heh...do you think they'll take complaints from non-Californians?

I really hope the 49ers stay in the Bay Area. It would be wrong to call them, say, the "Los Angeles 49ers." Then again, that's not gonna make sense, so even worse, we might see a change in team name (a la the Ravens).

[redngold21]

Heh...do you think they'll take complaints from non-Californians?

I really hope the 49ers stay in the Bay Area. It would be wrong to call them, say, the "Los Angeles 49ers." Then again, that's not gonna make sense, so even worse, we might see a change in team name (a la the Ravens).

doubt it. Call them from a block # and give them a fake bay area address. It'll work.

[Eric 80]

Heh...do you think they'll take complaints from non-Californians?

I really hope the 49ers stay in the Bay Area. It would be wrong to call them, say, the "Los Angeles 49ers." Then again, that's not gonna make sense, so even worse, we might see a change in team name (a la the Ravens).
Yes if the team was to move to LA it would basicaly be a whole new team. I can't believe SF would do something like this.

[jojob101]

what wasted time and energy. The 49ers are the bay area team! If SF doesn't care to get our team a new stadium I have always said, F eM. My Mom was born and raised in the city. We love the city! But we love the 49ers and want to see them in the best house possible. I use to live right there by great america growing up. There is plenty of room for a new park. So be it.

Is there somewhere we can all go sign and voice our opinion??? Let me know... NINERS are the BAY team. SF is just a logo. :boxing:

Bay Area Niners <-- hey that sounds good.

[markiemarko]

Am I missing something here? Only allowing the Niners to build a Stadium in SF is just wrong. Does this have something to do with the fact that the Niners plan to continue to use the name San Francisco? This just can't pass.
getting out of AT&T park to see the Giants play is a hassle. The city of SF is not suited to carry sports team venues because of the way its built....just try driving in the city after work hours, thats a hassle in itself...I wish these **** politicians like Fienstein and this other person would just keep out of this situation...

[sandiegojoe]

IMO, What happened with the niners and SF is that SF ****ed York around for too long, they gave him terrible options for a stadium, wanted him to foot the bill for an olympic-style stadium even tough that would suck for football, etc.. etc.

York did the business-wise decision and went straight to santa clara. The problem here is that York, surprised the hell out of Gavin Newsome and made Newsome look like a schmuck. Newsome is a young guy, with a hot girlfriend and probably has a huge ego.... So he struck back. The guy has political connections, and now all his political buddies are sticking their noses in this stuff that senators and congress shouldn't be involved in.

It's unfortunate. I don't blame York for playing hardball, cause in the end, it may force the city of SF to come up with a plan that works. The only problem is if it's impossible for SF to find a spot for the stadium that doesn't suck, they know we'll leave, and they may take it out on the 49ers.

[Eric 80]

It seems to me that the politicians up there hate their congregants.

[sandiegojoe]

It seems to me that the politicians up there hate their congregants.

They're just like any other politician, they only care about themselves. Newsome doesn't want to look bad. If the niners departure is seen as his fault, it can be used against him by his next opponent in tv ads, and all the sheeple will vote against him (and if we reach the playoffs, he'll really look bad).

If he can take care of a cesspool like hunters point and hype up a new stadium, he can use it to try and get re-elected.

[Local49ersFan]

They have to show their constituents they tried.
Ain't gonna pass. Just jabbing York.
Next thing they'll try is not to continue the Stick's lease after 08.