49ers-Raiders stadium together article

[AlexSmith5rings]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/01/29/MNR.TMP

:unsure:

[RaiderHater]

F That!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AlexSmith5rings]

F That!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

personal seat license and sharing the stadium with the raiders? go york :rolleyes2:

[Optimus Moo]

personal seat license and sharing the stadium with the raiders? go york :rolleyes2:

What's next, though? We form a friendly partnership with the Cowboys? We erect a statue of Brett Favre to honor him? We officially recognize the Arizona Cardinals as a NFL team? Where would it end?

I'm with RaiderHater on this, but I take it one step further through text editing...

F THAT!!!

[AlexSmith5rings]

Maybe York and Davis are going to build a joint stadium in LA with the Raiders, with a statue of Brett Favre, with the Dallas star in the middle of the field and million dollar PSLs. :rolleyes2:

[giants49ergurl]

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[born49]

I have had it up to here with this nonsense!!!!!whene the hell are we going to break ground on a new stadium. the bengals,colts even the cardinals got a new stadium before us.i need 2 have results damit.

[49erfaith1121]

Screw that. The Raides would ruin that field, and so ould their idiotic fans.

[NinerRider]

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/01/29/MNR.TMP

Here's the latest twist to the Bay Area's topsy-turvy stadium politics: Word is the San Francisco 49ers have informally approached the Oakland Raiders about building a new home -- together.

The stadium, which would be shared by the two rivals, very well could be in Santa Clara, where the Niners are pursuing new digs next to Great America.

Niners executive Jed York, the son of team owners John and Denise York, said that while a joint stadium idea has merit, there has been no contact with the Raiders on the subject.

"I think it's a good idea, but we haven't gone down that road yet,'' he said. "First we need to work on Santa Clara, and make sure we can actually get a stadium down there.''



Man, this would have to be the worst most of all time. Can you imagine 49ers and Raiders fans have to share a stadium? Can you imagine what a 49ers vs Raiders game would be like? IMO, the Yorks would be crazy to go into business with Al Davis. You lay down dogs you get up with fleas.

[Ice Train]

:throw: :pullhair:

[Jay@49erEmpire]

ANOTHER GREAT IDEA YORK'S!!!! NEXT TIME I SEE ANY OF YOU...I'LL BE SURE TO HIGH-FIVE YALL....IN YOUR FACES!!!!:angry:

F--- THE RAIDERS!!!!!!

[San_Fran_49ers]

I would go freaking ape $ h ! t...:pullhair:

[euronimous]

Sounds like a headache to me. Not to mention raiders fans getting their makeup smeared all over the seats every weekend. I love hating the raiders and I dont want to share with them. HA I dont even care how selfish that is. :mouthclosed:

[Nin£R_4_LifE]

noooooo that would suck, im sure raiderhater would be pleased....

[AlexSmith5rings]

there is a thread http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showthread.php?t=17209

but i guess nobody reads the goldmine :rolleyes2:

[NinerRider]

there is a thread http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showthread.php?t=17209

but i guess nobody reads the goldmine :rolleyes2:


Nope, can't say that I do.

Goldmine usually :down:

[Giant9erShark]

Red & Gold, Silver & Black can we share the same uniforms and plays? :mouthclosed:

[statniner]

John York is smoking some terrible stuff right now!!!

[AlexSmith5rings]

John York is smoking some terrible stuff right now!!!

I just think he doesn't know what he's doing at all.

[RaiderHater]

ANOTHER GREAT IDEA YORK'S!!!! NEXT TIME I SEE ANY OF YOU...I'LL BE SURE TO HIGH-FIVE YALL....IN YOUR FACES!!!!:angry:

F--- THE RAIDERS!!!!!!

Haha... Tell em Jay!!!! :flex: Definitely a horrible idea.

[Giedi]

I just think he doesn't know what he's doing at all.

I agree, and he's no help to Nolan, who might be losing his OC. Debartolo never lost an OC during a rebuilding year.

Giedi

[NinerRider]

I agree, and he's no help to Nolan, who might be losing his OC. Debartolo never lost an OC during a rebuilding year.

Giedi

lol, no help to Nolan?

You did hear that they've offered Norv an extension and raise right? What do you want York to do? Pay Norv MORE than Nolan? How do you think that'll fly with Mike? Seriously though, how has he been no help to Nolan? What has Mike Nolan asked for and not been given?

[matineematt]

Hey, if it gets us a new stadium that generates revenue to help improve the onfield product, why not share with the Raiders? The Jets and Giants do it and, as someone who has lived in New York, believe me they have a spirited rivalry. I hate the Raiders, but I'm willing to let them help us pay the bills. Who cares who uses the stadium when we're on the road? The wear and tear from ten Raider games couldn't be much different than when the SF Giants were playing 81 baseball games at Candlestick.

[NinerRider]

Hey, if it gets us a new stadium that generates revenue to help improve the onfield product, why not share with the Raiders? The Jets and Giants do it and, as someone who has lived in New York, believe me they have a spirited rivalry. I hate the Raiders, but I'm willing to let them help us pay the bills. Who cares who uses the stadium when we're on the road? The wear and tear from ten Raider games couldn't be much different than when the SF Giants were playing 81 baseball games at Candlestick.


True, you make some good points, but it's the RAIDERS we're talking about. We'd have to see their retired numbers around the stadium along with merchandise or Raiders colors in certain areas, just would be hard to stomach is all. Then again, we could have reminders of our 5 trophies all over the place to shove down their throats. There are clearly positives and negatives, but overall I jsut think fans wouldn't enjoy the new stadium as much because it won't have that "look at this beautiful stadium and it's all ours" feel to it.

[NiNeRtHeOrY]

The Raiders and Niners share a stadium? Maybe the Dodgers and Giants can share one too!

[ther1ch]

:throw: :gunshoot:

[Themooch]

Ill admit that it makes sense financially and fiscally, but there are 3 GOOD reasons why a 49ers/Raiders stadium is BAD idea!

1. Quote from article: "The Raiders, despite upgraded football digs, are still unhappy about playing in Oakland -- but currently have few real prospects for moving out of the area again." Why should we share a stadium with a team that doesn't even want to be here!

2. Al Davis has proven to be a BAD person to do business with.

3. Whats wrong with the Raiders current stadium!? Its newly remodeled. What reason do they have to play in a new stadium?

[San_Fran_49ers]

I've only just skimmed through this thread so if I'm not the first to mention this, sorry!

But on the 49ers front page, there is a short statement that says these talks about sharing a stadium with the (in my own words) "Friggin' Raiders" aren't true.

[matineematt]

Got this off the Support Our Niners.com website...

Statement by the San Francisco 49ers
No Talks With Raiders

Despite news reports to the contrary, The San Francisco 49ers are not in discussions with the Oakland Raiders concerning the sharing of a new stadium. The 49ers remain committed to working with the City of Santa Clara as our primary site for a new 49ers stadium and with the City of San Francisco to identify a potential viable alternative site for that facility. As we move forward, we will, of course, keep the NFL and other teams apprised of our progress.

[Kenage]

I would rather have no new stadium for the next Century then sharing it with the Raiders.

[photomonkey]

lol, no help to Nolan?

You did hear that they've offered Norv an extension and raise right? What do you want York to do? Pay Norv MORE than Nolan? How do you think that'll fly with Mike? Seriously though, how has he been no help to Nolan? What has Mike Nolan asked for and not been given?

Dude, don't even trip. What you read is just another example of a knee-jerk reaction. Not to muddy the waters, but offering Turner more $$$ is ALL that York can do. Eddie D. might have used a little "muscle" on ol' Norv, but this ain't Goodfellas.

As for the notion of a shared stadium...my initial reaction is a big :nonono:

However, there is some merit to the idea and sharing the costs might result in one heck of a stadium for both teams. I am always hesitant to dismiss an idea out of hand, at least until I have heard the pros and cons.

Who knows? :boxing:

[Tovey21]

Not a bad idea, whether York wants to admit it or not he can't afford the full costs for a stadium.

[colo49ergyrl]

And Jed York honestly said that "This seems like a good idea"....wtf, 5 time world champions shouldn't have to share their stadium with anybody. That's a total slap in the face! :banghead: :gunshoot: :help: :madgal:

[Local49ersFan]

Not a bad idea, whether York wants to admit it or not he can't afford the full costs for a stadium.

Probably Santa Clara and the team found out the real cost of building the stadium is too high. Didn't the San Jose Mercury also mentioned a couple of days ago the idea of having housing adjacent to the stadium which York was against with the plan in SF.

[Ace Matherton]

Word is the 49ers have informally approached the Raiders about building a new home -- together. The stadium, which would be shared by the two rivals, very well could be in Santa Clara, where the Niners are pursuing new digs next to Great America.
-- San Francisco Chronicle

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/scorecard/01/30/truth.rumors.nfl/index.html

[San_Fran_49ers]

There was a statement issued yesterday by the 49ers that says this isn't true.

I can't imagine it would be...

[Tahoegirl]

This was posted yesterdy.. It does help to use the search button to make sure it hasn't been posted. Plus wrong forum.. :)

http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showthread.php?t=17209

[ak-49]

Not a bad idea, whether York wants to admit it or not he can't afford the full costs for a stadium.

Giants/Jets recieved $300,000,000 in NFL revenue share when they built their stadium... and the only negative to me would be Niner playing Raiders...

[low_N_breezy]

Word is the 49ers have informally approached the Raiders about building a new home -- together. The stadium, which would be shared by the two rivals, very well could be in Santa Clara, where the Niners are pursuing new digs next to Great America.
-- San Francisco Chronicle

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/scorecard/01/30/truth.rumors.nfl/index.html

[The Jerm!]

LNB, Check the front page of 49ers.com, it says that this is false. There has been no talks with the Raiders to share a stadium.

If he's lazy then here it is:

Statement by the 49ers: No Talks With Raiders
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“Despite news reports to the contrary, the San Francisco 49ers are not in discussions with the Oakland Raiders concerning the sharing of a new stadium. The 49ers remain committed to working with the City of Santa Clara as our primary site for a new 49ers stadium and with the City of San Francisco to identify a potential viable alternative site for that facility. As we move forward, we will, of course, keep the NFL and other teams apprised of our progress.”

http://www.49ers.com/pressbox/news_detail.php?PRKey=2791&section=PR%20News

[low_N_breezy]

If he's lazy then here it is:

Statement by the 49ers: No Talks With Raiders
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http://www.49ers.com/pressbox/news_detail.php?PRKey=2791&section=PR%20News

I am lazy thanks Jerm.

Here is another article on the denial
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/16578376.htm

I think they should. It probably would be a lot easier to get done. Something needs to happen with this crap

[Tovey21]

Giants/Jets recieved $300,000,000 in NFL revenue share when they built their stadium... and the only negative to me would be Niner playing Raiders...

Yeah I really don't think it's a bad idea if you ask me. Especially considering the league might help us out with some revenue share. I think the Yorks and Al Davis really need to consider this.

[Underrated49ers]

I hope we would never have to share a stadium with those jerks.

Would there be 2 rings of honor or what?

BOOOOOOOO!

[The Jerm!]

Yeah I really don't think it's a bad idea if you ask me. Especially considering the league might help us out with some revenue share. I think the Yorks and Al Davis really need to consider this.

Pfft, I don't think so.

[Tovey21]

Pfft, I don't think so.

What ever it takes to get a new stadium and even if it means we have to share with the Raiders then so be it.

[LOS41510]

I'd rather kill myself than to share a stadium with the raiders.. there the ones that are going to pollute it the most.. case in point: toiletbowl by oakland airport ( theres a airport in oakland..HAW HAW ). these stupid rumors are just going to get people all excited or hyped up about the new stadium situation.. thats my opinion

LOS

YEE!!.. i said it!

[Tovey21]

I'd rather kill myself than to share a stadium with the raiders.. there the ones that are going to pollute it the most.. case in point: toiletbowl by oakland airport ( theres a airport in oakland..HAW HAW ). these stupid rumors are just going to get people all excited or hyped up about the new stadium situation.. thats my opinion

LOS

YEE!!.. i said it!

we'll miss you

[Emerald256]

Found this article this morning and thought I would share. Hope it has not already been posted.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/01/29/BAGOSNQJG61.DTL

Enjoy!

[Tovey21]

already been posted.

[The Jerm!]

Statement by the 49ers: No Talks With Raiders
print



“Despite news reports to the contrary, the San Francisco 49ers are not in discussions with the Oakland Raiders concerning the sharing of a new stadium. The 49ers remain committed to working with the City of Santa Clara as our primary site for a new 49ers stadium and with the City of San Francisco to identify a potential viable alternative site for that facility. As we move forward, we will, of course, keep the NFL and other teams apprised of our progress.”


http://www.49ers.com/pressbox/news_d...tion=PR%20News

[Tahoegirl]

Already posted in the goldmine...

[The Jerm!]

What ever it takes to get a new stadium and even if it means we have to share with the Raiders then so be it.

We will NEVER affiliate ourselfs with those gutterwastes of a team/fans.

[Tovey21]

We will NEVER affiliate ourselfs with those gutterwastes of a team/fans.

and now I see why they call us the 40 whiners.

[The Jerm!]

and now I see why they call us the 40 whiners.

Go see how many of those rejects wanna even THINK about being in the SAME stadium. I bet you'll get WORSE replies. Let's see you actually type something worth while. All I've seen from you is crap.

[LOS41510]

im sure U will TOVEY21 but thanks for youre concern.. i just see no point in sharing a stadium to a spoiled brat ( raiders ) of a team.

LOS

YEE!!

p.s. since u mentioned forty whiners.. how do we know if ure really a niners now whiners or wieners fan??? yeahh dats right

[BillyBones]

I hate the idea.

No reflection on the Raiders organization or their fans. I simply think the 49ers are worthy of having their own stadium. When they aren't playing, the organization should be letting local college and high school teams play on it, and occasionally open it up for concerts, etc.

But not share it with the Raiders during the season. Just the cost of changing the logos on the field would add up eventually and end up costing as much as the stadium itself.

[Tovey21]

Go see how many of those rejects wanna even THINK about being in the SAME stadium. I bet you'll get WORSE replies. Let's see you actually type something worth while. All I've seen from you is crap.

I could care less what Raiders fans think, whatever it takes to get a new stadium. I think it's pretty obvious the Yorks can't pay the full costs for a new stadium so they shouldn't mind getting some help finaically from Al Davis and from the league.

Besides Beggars can't be choosers.

[The Jerm!]

I could care less what Raiders fans think, whatever it takes to get a new stadium. I think it's pretty obvious the Yorks can't pay the full costs for a new stadium so they shouldn't mind getting some help finaically from Al Davis and from the league.

Lol! Yeah it's never about what the fans think/want. It's only what the owners want. The 49ers and Raiders fans would not CO-EXSIST in the same place.

[Tovey21]

Lol! Yeah it's never about what the fans think/want. It's only what the owners want. The 49ers and Raiders fans would not CO-EXSIST in the same place.

Considering the teams will be playing at the new stadium different weeks they won't have to.

[The Jerm!]

Considering the teams will be playing at the new stadium different weeks they won't have to.

I gaurantee you raider fans would visit the stadium to cause trouble. It still happens at SF!

[Tovey21]

Well that's what security is for.

[The Jerm!]

Well that's what security is for.

:falldownlaugh: :falldownlaugh: Like they'll do anything. Do you even go to any of the games, or do you live out of state/to far away.

[Tovey21]

:falldownlaugh: :falldownlaugh: Like they'll do anything. Do you even go to any of the games, or do you live out of state/to far away.

I should be asking you that because Security can throw people out unless you didn't know that.

Besides most people won't mess with you if you don't mess with them.

[NinerRider]

I should be asking you that because Security can throw people out unless you didn't know that.

Besides most people won't mess with you if you don't mess with them.

Yeah, security can throw you out, but it's usually after the altercation has taken place already. They rarely throw people out for just trash talking, if ever.

[The Jerm!]

I should be asking you that because Security can throw people out unless you didn't know that.

Besides most people won't mess with you if you don't mess with them.

I've been to atleast 4-5 games each of the last 3 seasons. What about you?

[Tovey21]

3 games

[DallasNiner]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/01/29/MNR.TMP

:unsure:

OMG that's ridiculous.

[AlexSmith5rings]

Go see how many of those rejects wanna even THINK about being in the SAME stadium. I bet you'll get WORSE replies. Let's see you actually type something worth while. All I've seen from you is crap.

:doubleup:

[giants49ergurl]

What ever it takes to get a new stadium and even if it means we have to share with the Raiders then so be it.

I'd rather stay where we are then share a stadium with the Raiders....

[giants49ergurl]

and now I see why they call us the 40 whiners.

are you even a 49ers fan?

[giants49ergurl]

Go see how many of those rejects wanna even THINK about being in the SAME stadium. I bet you'll get WORSE replies. Let's see you actually type something worth while. All I've seen from you is crap.

:clapping:

[giants49ergurl]

I should be asking you that because Security can throw people out unless you didn't know that.

Besides most people won't mess with you if you don't mess with them.

security can throw people out...but alot of times they dont unless there is a fight

and that whole thing about people not messing with you if you dont mess with them....thats a load of crap...Raiders fans show up at the 49er games just to start trouble, not all of them, but alot of them do, and most of the time security doesnt do crap about it!

[Hopper15]

I never had any problems with the Raiders fans when we see them each year in the preseason. There's trash talk but that's nothing.

[Jimi_Xicano]

Now this I'm against!:mouthclosed:

[Deb49er]

I got physically sick when I heard about this Please don't, it's bad enough seeing their name when I go to A's games.:sf49: :sf49:

[rocketman]

I'm not wild about it, but from a practical standpoint it may make sense. A football stadium, as the article says, gets used only 10 times per season. Doubling that usage makes more efficient use of the facility and funding.

[ninerjeff]

what a load of C.R.A.P.:falldownlaugh: :stirthepot: :pigfly:

[101South]

It is weird, but I have no respect for the Jets just because they are the guest that just wont leave "Giants" Stadium.

The only good thing about a combined stadium for York/Davis is we could call it "The Dork Dome".

Something better change.

[dsr4900]

dont forget the rams alexsmith5rings

[Ed the Vet]

Don't join with Al Davis and the Raiders. He's tricky. He was responsible for the Rams going to Anaheim and spoiling a L.A. relationship and subsequent move to St. Louis. His demands made UCLA move from the Coliseum and lucky they had the Rose Bowl to occupy. He almost forced USC out but they stood firm. It might be cheaper but cause more problems.

[The Jerm!]

Don't join with Al Davis and the Raiders. He's tricky. He was responsible for the Rams going to Anaheim and spoiling a L.A. relationship and subsequent move to St. Louis. His demands made UCLA move from the Coliseum and lucky they had the Rose Bowl to occupy. He almost forced USC out but they stood firm. It might be cheaper but cause more problems.

The 49ers have already stated there has been NO talks with a joint stadium and will not be any talks about it.

[sdl_32]

OH HELL NO! This has to be the worst idea in the world

[matineematt]

Hey guys, check out www.supportourniners.com. The whole working with the Raiders rumor was squelched months ago. Al Davis makes for a lousy partner.

[offtackle24]

What's next, though? We form a friendly partnership with the Cowboys? We erect a statue of Brett Favre to honor him? We officially recognize the Arizona Cardinals as a NFL team? Where would it end?

I'm with RaiderHater on this, but I take it one step further through text editing...

F THAT!!!

:laugh:

[Great Pumpkin]

Better lock up the women and children. This dude makes a good argument ...:bat:

http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/197382.html

[Omnipotent]

Better lock up the women and children. This dude makes a good argument ...:bat:

http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/197382.html

Soccer is one thing, but this would be ridiculous if it were ever formally proposed.....:madgal:

The 49ers insist that they have not broached the subject with their East Bay rivals. But it should be noted that should they build a new stadium in Santa Clara, it would be run by a public authority. That is, it would be up to the city -- not the 49ers -- if the Raiders came knocking.
This part reallly gets to me.

[grimlock49]

NO!!!!

[Niner Jan]

I know it's a SHOCKING idea for 49er fans to contemplate, since there is such a long-standing rivalry between the 2 South Bay teams. But it sure makes economic sense! :ok:

As things look right now, I'm not sure if the 49ers will get the approval of the residents of Santa Clara, if it is put to a vote. I'm really concerned about it!

Having another team to split expenses with and getting a double dip from the NFL would be worth it. Besides, the two "nations" don't have to cross paths, since all games would be on different dates.

We fans have to be mature in our dealings if the 49ers are going to survive in the South Bay. Sometimes you "gotta do what you gotta do"--even when it kills ya! :scare:

Think about it. Would you really prefer losing your beloved team to L.A. or elsewhere rather than share a stadium with the Raiders?

Maybe the Raiders fans could LEARN to behave like civilized fans...I know--that's asking for a miracle. But the 49ers staying in the Bay Area would be a stronger possibility if they "teamed up" with the Raiders than without them. That may sound like heresy to 49ers faithful fans, but this might be a big dilemma that we will have little choice with... :unsure:

Niner Mom :shades:

[Omnipotent]

Think about it. Would you really prefer losing your beloved team to L.A. or elsewhere rather than share a stadium with the Raiders?

Why should it ever come down to us making such a decision?

Thsi is a bad idea and shouldn't even be an option.

As of now it is mostly rumors and or ideas being thrown out there.


PS.....thank god we have a limit on smiles...:laugh:

[Niner Jan]

Because of the organized opposition by Lawyer Byron Fleck and his cronies from the website "Notwithmymoney". These people are constantly packing town hall type meetings and City Council meetings with their creative propaganda against the 49ers stadium in Santa Clara.

That's why this latest idea has popped up to SAVE the stadium site in Santa Clara. I've seen these people first-hand several times and unfortunately will run into them again tonight.

Niner Mom

[A187]

PS.....thank god we have a limit on smiles...:laugh:

Amen to that

[RaiderHater]

Those cronies can stick with their "Notwithmymoney" stance.

I'll stick to my "F, That!" stance on sharing a stadium with Chokeland.

[The Jerm!]

Those cronies can stick with their "Notwithmymoney" stance.

I'll stick to my "F, That!" stance on sharing a stadium with Chokeland.

:hangloose:

[Peter Proud]

Those cronies can stick with their "Notwithmymoney" stance.

I'll stick to my "F, That!" stance on sharing a stadium with Chokeland.

:pirate2: Surprise! I'm with RaiderHater on this one.

But wait....what about the SBL's talked about before? Remember, those who purchase the Stadium Build Licenses would have 1st rights to seats at other events.

Imagine, 49er fans who pay the SBL, could exercise their 1st rights to all the RAIDER games and sell those seats to the fans of the visiting teams playing the RAIDERS......or charge them an arm and leg to watch their own team.....

Wait....isn't that what the OFMA did?

[VaBhodi]

ABSOLUTELY no way, Getting into bed with the Raiders would be like asking the Taliban to integrate with the US ARMY. Id sooner eat a bullet then see Silver and Black where Red and Gold belong.

[Niner Jan]

49ers fans can rant and rave all they want, but if it comes to losing the team in the Bay Area and having to move to L.A. (or wherever), sharing the stadium is certainly the lesser of 2 evils. After all, we wouldn't ever see the Raiders except when we played them.

I know it's a SHOCKING idea for 49er fans to contemplate, since there is such a long-standing rivalry between the 2 South Bay teams. But it sure makes economic sense!

As things look right now, I'm not sure if the 49ers will get the approval of the residents of Santa Clara, if it is put to a vote. I'm really concerned about it!

Having another team to split expenses with and getting a double dip from the NFL would be worth it. Besides, the two "nations" don't have to cross paths, since all games would be on different dates. And we'd gain a HOME game, in the process!

We fans have to be mature in our dealings if the 49ers are going to survive in the South Bay. Sometimes you "gotta do what you gotta do"--even if it kills ya!

Maybe the Raiders fans could LEARN to behave like civilized fans...I know--that's asking for a miracle. But the 49ers staying in the Bay Area would be a stronger possibility if they "teamed up" with the Raiders than without them. That may sound like heresy to 49ers faithful fans, but this might be a big dilemma that we will have little choice dealing with...

THINK about it. :lightbulb: Don't EMOTIONALIZE it...(if that's a word). :scare:

Niner Mom :shades: :smile:
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[Horrorshow 49er]

As for the Raiders, their current 16-year-lease at the remodeled Oakland Coliseum is set to expire in four years -- or about the time the Niners hope to have a new stadium built.

The Raiders, despite upgraded football digs, are still unhappy about playing in Oakland -- but currently have few real prospects for moving out of the area again.

What's more, owner Al Davis -- who only recently was forced to spend a bundle to buy out the unhappy heirs of a silent partner -- doesn't have the cash to build a stadium on his own, sources say. And given his past battles with the NFL, he doesn't appear to have many friends in the league looking to do him any big favors.

"It really may be the one option for the Raiders that makes sense,'' says one NFL insider, who asked not to be named.



So by sharing a stadium with the Radiers we could be saving them from having to move out of the Bay Area?

:shots:

[laradioken]

God I hope not; this wouldn't be fun.

[ozzcows]

I got a better idea, send the Raiders back to LA so they can continue their tradition of suckellence.

[Kenny Ring]

Here is the link: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/01/29/BAGOSNQJG61.DTL

[49ersCatch]

:shoot:

[outlawmann]

wow our very own black hole thats awsome!!!:pray:

[9er faithful]

:shoot:

:shoot:

[Tovey21]

Don't the Giants and Jets share a stadium?

BTW that article is a year old.

[Tracker]

It would not be the end of the world. With combine recourses of both teams we could build something truly spectacular.

Candlestick Coliseum.

[JASON]

Don't the Giants and Jets share a stadium?

BTW that article is a year old.

1 1/2 years old. Never will happen.

[Kenny Ring]

I just realized that this should be in the "Plans for a New Stadium" section. How do I move this topic there?

[Miner49er92]

Please don't let this happen. :pray:

[MR. WEBBER]

Here is the link: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/01/29/BAGOSNQJG61.DTL

this is a first.someone linking an article from jan. of '07 as new news.

[young tone]

It would not be the end of the world. With combine recourses of both teams we could build something truly spectacular.

Candlestick Coliseum.


Exactly! I prefer a stadium just for us but if we have to share it, I dont see the problem. We shared Kezar Stadium with the Raiders before so sharing with them is not a new thing.

Now if it ever came down to sharing a stadium with them, where would the location be?

[Kenny Ring]

But wait, just look at the New York Giants and the New York Jets, they just have the NFL logo at the center of the 50 Yard line instead of their respective team logos, would they do the same for the San Francisco 49ers and the Oakland Raiders?

[TheWiz]

Is the concept economical? Sure. Instead of 2 teams seeking 1B stadiums, you can build one heck of a good stadium for about 1.4B. At the combined price, you can manage more seating, nicer luxury ammenities, and state of the art 'under-stadium' ammenities along the ground level such as coffee and internet cafes, specialty food stores and even very small convenience stores for fans selling everything from cell phone recharges to non-perishable snacks, propane tanks, and tailgaiting foods.

But look at it from an owner's perspective. One day Pepsi-cola Inc. comes along with a 40M rights deal for the next decade to sell only Pepsi soft drinks at regular concessions locations. One owner sees 40M in instant rights sales that pays of 3% of construction costs instantly. Another has data that suggests that fans will like Coca-Cola brand drinks more and that Coke may be only offering 35M but the profits after 10 years favor coke. Then you've got an owner like Davis who is mostly NFL invested going for high parking rates while York wants them lower and prefers higher luxury box rates. That leads to sparing in the backrooms. You've got two teams sharing a very big market vying for fans. When OAK fans see cheaper parking for SF games, they get angry. When SF fans see cheaper seats for OAK games, they get disgruntled. And So on and os forth. Then there is a debate over exactly which fan gets the rights to buy top tickets, the 49ers season ticket holders or the Raider's ticket holders. Then if one side even concedes, does that mean one side gets cheaper tickets? What if the 49ers fan doesn't want the right, why must he pay more? The arguments are endless and this is why you never saw a joint Rams/Raiders stadium among a plethora of reasons.

With the Giants and Jets, those two teams have coexisted long before the modern economics of the NFL. The Jets have played in Giants stadium for a long, long time. Owners have learned to cope with this fact and co-existed quite nicely. People act as if this hasn't been the case for decades. The Jets are much more aligned along long island, Manhattan, and northern New Jersey for a fan base. Meanwhile the Giants spread across the rest of the New York burroughs, west and north from NYC and northeast into Patriots territory more effectively. Despite good Jets contention, it's like the Yankees versus the Mets, the Rangers versus the Islanders out east. The latter having some succes but largely the former having bigger market control, better ownership, and more titles.

[650Niners]

If it works for NY...

[The Jerm!]

If it works for NY...

You might say that living no where near the stadium but imagine fans having to share the stadium with Raider fans....Wouldn't be too pretty.

[650Niners]

Who would win in a brawl Raider fans or Niner fans?

[estrine]

During these harsh economic times. Sharing the costs for this mega stadium is making more sense everyday. The City Of Santa Clara & The S.F. Forty-Niners are having a hard time trying to come to an agreement. I believe the City Of Oakland is loseing money every year from their Raider contract. I also believe the Raiders are looking for a new stadium. This could be a win-win situation for everyone involved.

[justinprime]

During these harsh economic times. Sharing the costs for this mega stadium is making more sense everyday. The City Of Santa Clara & The S.F. Forty-Niners are having a hard time trying to come to an agreement. I believe the City Of Oakland is loseing money every year from their Raider contract. I also believe the Raiders are looking for a new stadium. This could be a win-win situation for everyone involved.

...Except the fans.

[estrine]

It is much better than losing the S.F. Forty-Niners.

[Goldrusher49]

somebody would honestly die at a raider/49er game. it would be awful.

[estrine]

Their have been many Raider/Niner games in the past. We will continue to have Raider/Niner games in the future with or with out a new stadium. I have seen many fights at the Giants/Dodger baseball games during the old Candlestick days. We will always have crazy & insane people. If they do not kill someone at the ball park. They will probrably kill during a road rage incident or some kind of an argument.

[Goldrusher49]

Their have been many Raider/Niner games in the past. We will continue to have Raider/Niner games in the future with or with out a new stadium. Mayby we should stop the Raiders and Niners from playing each other all together? This way we can lessen the chances from someone dying? We should stop playing sports all together. This way we can lessen the chances of even more people dying. I have seen many fights at the Giants/Dodger baseball games during the old Candlestick days. We will always have crazy & insane people. If they do not kill someone at the ball park. They will probrably kill during a road rage incident or some kind of an argument.

sarcasm is a son of a gun. as i was sarcastic when i typed my comment and was not offensive to anyone unlike yours. way to take it out of context...... it would be different. it would be like the giants and jets. those games are insane, because they want to feel as if it is their house. it's different when the stadiums are the same. are you actually serious when i said i thought someone would die? haha wow. i guess im a little in the wrong for not having it in blue. but jeez, i thought that was clear. and as to your claim of "losing" the SF name. that was never a subject. the original plan was to move the team to santa clara and remain the SF 49ers.

[estrine]

I am sorry for offending you. I believe we have the oldest stadium in the N.F.L . I believe we should try to come up with a practicle solution that will finally bring us a new stadium. Even if it means sharing the stadium with the Raiders. We were all tought that sharing is a good thing. It would also help solve alot of the financial issues regarding the stadium.

[Fromthe3rdRow]

I am sorry for offending you. I believe we have the oldest stadium in the N.F.L . I believe we should try to come up with a practicle solution that will finally bring us a new stadium. Even if it means sharing the stadium with the Raiders. We were all tought that sharing is a good thing. It would also help solve alot of the financial issues regarding the stadium.
Sharing?

Hmmm. Maybe in grade school.

But as I've aged, I have reconsidered sharing with some folks. Would I share my personal effects with that greasy guy hanging out at the expressway intersection? I've "given" a few times, but I'm not sharing.

Not that ALL Raider fans have grooming habits comparible wih the intersection guy, but I HAVE seen more than one sporting the old skull and eye patch logo.....

[Fromthe3rdRow]

Totally off topic - but this reminds my of my response whenever someone tells me they are a Raiders fan.... I reply,

"Sorry to hear that. I understand they have shots that will clear that up...."

[Peter Proud]

Totally off topic - but this reminds my of my response whenever someone tells me they are a Raiders fan.... I reply,

"Sorry to hear that. I understand they have shots that will clear that up...."

Of course you forgot to add: Except for Peter Proud

[Fromthe3rdRow]

Of course you forgot to add: Except for Peter Proud
Yeah, I know. You got it bad.

I think you developed a resistant strain or somethin'.

Don't go spreadin that around now.

[estrine]

Sharing?

Hmmm. Maybe in grade school.

But as I've aged, I have reconsidered sharing with some folks. Would I share my personal effects with that greasy guy hanging out at the expressway intersection? I've "given" a few times, but I'm not sharing.

Not that ALL Raider fans have grooming habits comparible wih the intersection guy, but I HAVE seen more than one sporting the old skull and eye patch logo.....

We should do what ever it takes. How many of us are willing to lose the S.F. FortyNiners? We have waited too long for a brand new stadium.

[gman480]

F That To The Fullest!

[estrine]

F That To The Fullest!

In my opinion, this is one person willing to lose the San Francisco Forty Niners to Arizona.:sfhelmet:

[socali49ers]

I hate the Raiders with a passion. If the Niners share a stadium with the Raiders, I will not show up to any game especially if I see a raider image anywhere in the stadium. Im glad i live in so cali so i dont have to deal with that crap

[estrine]

That would be so horrible.

It would make us look bad, and poor. And pathetic. Sharing a stadium is STUPID! With the Raiders of all teams. I don't freaking think so. I hope this doesn't go through.


For all those who do not want to share a stadium. Just pay the difference that would be needed to build & maintain the stadium.

[estrine]

We don't need a new one that bad that we have to share with the Raiders.

Renovate the 'Stick. Much better than sharing.

Like the old saying goes,"you can put lipstick on a pig,it's still a pig".

[49ersPhEnOm]

If the 9ers share a stadium with the Faiders...i will no longer be a fan, that is so G4Y.

[9bennett9]

If the 9ers share a stadium with the Faiders...i will no longer be a fan, that is so G4Y.

who would you root for?

[49ersPhEnOm]

who would you root for?

Broncos.:thinking:

[ninerjeff]

most of you are all missing the big point....


WHERE IS IT GOING TO BE BUILT??

1. san francisco?
2 oakland?
3. san jose?
4 treasure island?
5. alcatraz?
6 golden gate fields?
7. middle of the peninsula say woodside?
8. salt flats out in hayward?
9. infineon racetrack sonoma?
10. draw a line down the middle of the bay area throw a dart at it and start digging:headhurts:

i don't mean to be a wise *** by the time the powers that be stop this constant bickering on who gets the credit developing a new venue and who "saved" the 49ers or raiders from moving, we won't have EITHER team to root for anymore. :( time is running out. we need a new stadium PRONTO!

[Joe in Montana]

Useless IDIOTS......The Leaders of "The City" these Clowns spend taxpayer money of worthless crap.....Just Build the Damm thing allready....they should look at how much $ it will bring into the city if they would just help out abit.

:sfhelmet:

[Champion8023]

They should just renovate the current stadium.

[mikeyacuna]

It also brings up the issue of where the 49ers would play during the renovation.

.

They would more than likely play at Sanford like Seattle did a couple years ago with Washington.

[Coldrain85]

Candlestick is going to be imploded, and hopefully I'll be there to watch it when the day comes. Renovating the stadium is not an option. It's not much cheaper than building a new stadium, it doesn't include external infrastructure improvements, and it doesn't solve the transportation problems. It also brings up the issue of where the 49ers would play during the renovation.

As far as the suggestion of a joint 49ers/Raiders stadium.... I will not tolerate Raider filth in my seat every other week. Even if the stadium staff changes the decorations every week and replaces black with red the stink will still linger. Worst of all would be the stink of Al Davis. Lets just drop this stupid idea right now. It's a waste of energy.

[estrine]

Candlestick is going to be imploded, and hopefully I'll be there to watch it when the day comes. Renovating the stadium is not an option. It's not much cheaper than building a new stadium, it doesn't include external infrastructure improvements, and it doesn't solve the transportation problems. It also brings up the issue of where the 49ers would play during the renovation.

As far as the suggestion of a joint 49ers/Raiders stadium.... I will not tolerate Raider filth in my seat every other week. Even if the stadium staff changes the decorations every week and replaces black with red the stink will still linger. Worst of all would be the stink of Al Davis. Lets just drop this stupid idea right now. It's a waste of energy.


We will let the smart guy pay the extra 50 million dollars for the stadium. This will make us all happy. We will then have a better chance of getting our S.F. Forty-Niner stadium.

[faithfulfred]

True, you make some good points, but it's the RAIDERS we're talking about. We'd have to see their retired numbers around the stadium along with merchandise or Raiders colors in certain areas, just would be hard to stomach is all. Then again, we could have reminders of our 5 trophies all over the place to shove down their throats. There are clearly positives and negatives, but overall I jsut think fans wouldn't enjoy the new stadium as much because it won't have that "look at this beautiful stadium and it's all ours" feel to it.

The Raiders don't retire numbers..................

[Joe Montana]

I still dont understand why they can build another nstadium next to candlestick.
The Niners can play there till it is done then it is demolished to make room for more parking.
Look at the new Giants/Jets Stadium.
Mets are doing it too.

[dajohn29]

If they can't get this new stadium plan done they should build a new stadium on the site of Candlestick Park. The way they should do this is to demolish 1/2 of Candlestick and build up the demolished 1/2 while the undemolished half is still used during the season. This would allow the season to go on despite the fact of construction on the new stadium. Then when that 1/2 is done start selling those seats and then demolish the other half and start building the other half and link both sides together.

[TheWiz]

I still dont understand why they can build another nstadium next to candlestick.
The Niners can play there till it is done then it is demolished to make room for more parking.
Look at the new Giants/Jets Stadium.
Mets are doing it too.

1) The team can't reuse the infrastructure from the old stadium. That means new pipelines, sewage, telephone lines, power lines, etc. that would require ripping up huge chunks of land between the stadium site and the residential areas. Last time an offer was made the costs of this problem was closing in on 200M alone. The costs in Santa Clara are about a tenth of that. The necessary connections are right under a road just north of the site, no need for a few hundred yards of in ground utility work.

2) A new stadium would be bigger. It may not sit more people but it would be modern and that means more bathrooms, more handicapped access, bigger concourse hallways, more exits and entrances, etc. If you try to build it at Candlestick...where willall of the fans park the next couple of years? That's why Lennar wanted a 10k+ parking garage. There will not only be a net loss of surface parking but also the hassle of years of construction on the site would likely scare tons of people away from attending the games.

3) The Giants and Jets play at the Meadowlands. It's not a stadium...it's a complex. It has a horse race track, a football stadium, and its own arena where the Nets play. The place is practically a square mile of parking spaces. You could build three new stadiums on the parking spaces they have and still have enough parking for events there. If you build on the Candlestick lot...you're losing a few thousand spots to the stadium and another few thousand for construction crews and equipment and a safety area around the site.

[TheWiz]

If they can't get this new stadium plan done they should build a new stadium on the site of Candlestick Park. The way they should do this is to demolish 1/2 of Candlestick and build up the demolished 1/2 while the undemolished half is still used during the season. This would allow the season to go on despite the fact of construction on the new stadium. Then when that 1/2 is done start selling those seats and then demolish the other half and start building the other half and link both sides together.

That's about as realistic as building it elsewhere and the just getting 1,000 helicopters to lift it up and drop it all on a foundation that would take only a few months to build. Plus...how the heck is the team supposed to avoid bankruptcy while trying to subsist completely on half a stadium? What happens to STHs whose seats are on a demolished half for that year? How stupid would we look with half a constructed stadium? Do you realize at least half the stadium would be empty and fans would all be sitting at least 50 yards from the far goal line? Unless you plan to cut the stadium the other way, which means absolutely no media resources of coaches tower for a full year.

[pin0yb0i]

Unless you plan to cut the stadium the other way, which means absolutely no media resources of coaches tower for a full year.

not if you demolish the east side of the stadium first and build another tower on that side. why hasn't anyone thought of this before? it's brilliant!

[TheWiz]

not if you demolish the east side of the stadium first and build another tower on that side. why hasn't anyone thought of this before? it's brilliant!

Except there is a fair reason why the boxes are on the west side of the stadium? You see, when you play games in the afternoon, the sun will be overhead and moving behind you as the game goes on. Since the sun sort of sets to the west, as it goes down earlier even in December or January, the stadium can use the lighting to make up for the heavy shadows. In you build the media tower and luxury boxes on the east side, facing west as they are, the sun sets in FRONT of you. For a large portion of the game you've got the sun beaming down right into your window and on the fans too. Try watching a game from high up there with a burning orange globe just above the horizon. Everytime you look up from the field to your laptop or gameplan you get blinded. Even with heavy tinted windows on some stadiums, it's still annoying.

[MonsterGore]

If they can't get this new stadium plan done they should build a new stadium on the site of Candlestick Park. The way they should do this is to demolish 1/2 of Candlestick and build up the demolished 1/2 while the undemolished half is still used during the season. This would allow the season to go on despite the fact of construction on the new stadium. Then when that 1/2 is done start selling those seats and then demolish the other half and start building the other half and link both sides together.

Lol this has seriously have to be a joke of a post.

[jouster]

If they can't get this new stadium plan done they should build a new stadium on the site of Candlestick Park. The way they should do this is to demolish 1/2 of Candlestick and build up the demolished 1/2 while the undemolished half is still used during the season. This would allow the season to go on despite the fact of construction on the new stadium. Then when that 1/2 is done start selling those seats and then demolish the other half and start building the other half and link both sides together.

Was that a joke?


Edit: oops. Seems like some others had similar thoughts.

[slyman831]

fux that

[statniner]

Anybody see 11pm NBC news tonight? Raj Mathai showed a clip of Jed York pretty much stating:

"Al Davis and the Raiders are looking for a new stadium. The 49ers organization is also looking for a new stadium. I am open for negotiations in regards to sharing a new stadium."



WTF Jed?

[young tone]

Anybody see 11pm NBC news tonight? Raj Mathai showed a clip of Jed York pretty much stating:

"Al Davis and the Raiders are looking for a new stadium. The 49ers organization is also looking for a new stadium. I am open for negotiations in regards to sharing a new stadium."



WTF Jed?

:laugh: Yeah I seen it. For those who havent seen it, heres the link

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/sports/football/49ers_Wonder_Kid__Bay_Area.html


I guess Niner fans would be upset but honestly I dont give a **** as long as we get a stadium and stay here in the Bay. Its not like Raider fans will be there when we are there. On Niner home games, it'll be a Niner stadium and vice versa. It just makes sense if both Bay Area teams cant get their own stadiums...

Also on the personal side it helps for the Raiders to get the **** out of Oakland and hopefully by a small chance the A's can stay and renovate or build a new park at the Coliseum :backsout:

[young tone]

Also every 4 years we'll have 9 home games when we play the Raiders :laugh: that might help

[jouster]

Broncos.:thinking:

You're serious? You'd switch allegiance just because another team from a different conference happens to play in the same stadium on a different day?

Wow.

[estrine]

Jed York is off to a great start! The new owner is really making a smart statement! I just hope that Al Davis is smart enough to look in to this great business proposition. http://www.nbcbayarea.com/sports/foo..._Bay_Area.html

[Coldrain85]

I must concede that a billion dollar joint use stadium sounds more appealing than rotting in Candlestick until 2015, or whatever. If money is spent on major renovations, how much if it will be regained by the time a new stadium is completed? My guess is not nearly enough to make it a good financial move. I don't think the York's are going to throw 9 figures into that sinkhole.

It makes sense to look to the future and think more than 8 years down the road. Voters are not always stupid. Prop 1a passed last November even though people knew that the state is having money troubles. The message it sends is that viable mass transit options are a priority for people in CA. In many ways, the stadium project parallels that scenario. A stadium in Santa Clara translates to long term economic benefits for the city and local businesses. Residents will benefit from infrastructure improvements which will include a BART extension that will complete the loop around SF Bay. That needs to happen anyway. Everyone knows it. A joint use stadium in SC will give the local authorities a reason to make it happen sooner rather than later. This is a huge deal for the entire Bay Area, and the discussions need to evolve into action. The economy will recover. People need to think past that, and remember that the future is bright. **** negativity.

[smokeshowing]

From a purely emotional standpoint I HATE this idea! A stadium - forget the Giants & Jets - is the signature of a franchise. I remember the opening of the Panther's stadium in Charlotte and I was just amazed at the difference between it and Candlestick. Then came the Cardinals new digs and their moveable playing surface and roof. I even dig Seattle's house!

However, as a recent Santa Clara resident, now residing three blocks away in San Jose, my fiscally conservative nature finds the notion of a shared stadium to be just what the Doctor (York) ordered (sorry for the pun). There's something to be said for a two resident stadium, regardless of its Bay Area location, in that the economies of scale must be advantageous to all involved. The more I think about it the more I like it. Then the whole place can be bathed in neutral colors, like beige and taupe - just kidding!

[JASON]

If this is what it takes to get the 49ers a new stadium then I am all for it. The article in the newspaper says that the new stadium the Giants & Jets are about to open has all kinds of electronics around the stadium that switches from Giants or Jets colors on game days & we could do the same so there would be no raiders colors during 49ers games & vice versa. This looks like our best & only chance to get a new stadium built. I think that the 49ers & Raiders should not turn this down. :pray:

[khanusma]

I hope this new article is BS. Last thing I want to do is share my season tickets with a stupid Raiders fan. Although I could carve Raiders suck into my seat or something but not even that seems like a good enough reason.

http://www.mercurynews.com/49ersheadlines/49ers/ci_11542007

"The NFL is urging the 49ers to explore sharing a new stadium with their cross-bay neighbors, the Raiders, hoping the Bay Area could follow the lead of the New York Giants and the New York Jets, who have joined forces to privately finance the most expensive stadium in U.S. sports history."

[khanusma]

Anybody see 11pm NBC news tonight? Raj Mathai showed a clip of Jed York pretty much stating:

"Al Davis and the Raiders are looking for a new stadium. The 49ers organization is also looking for a new stadium. I am open for negotiations in regards to sharing a new stadium."



WTF Jed?


He's gotta be a smart business man and take this into consideration... but if he is really a fan, he will do everything in his power to make our own stadium.

On a business note, it would work to Jed's favor if the Raiders move to LA. More bay area folks to be 49ers fans. Good excuse to not share a stadium.


NO RAIDER FAN IN MY SEAT!

[JASON]

Either we share a stadium with the Raiders or we stay in our dump for the next 10 years & have the possability of the 49ers moving to LA. Plus with the 49ers & Raiders splitting the cost they could build an awesome venue. This is probably our only chance to get a new stadium.

[The Cookie Monster]

I welcome the idea.... it's not like the midfield emblem will have the Raiders' emblem on it when we play in it...

[superman1]

this is clearly a sign that the Yorks are really broke owners and that Denise' family is now broke as well. the DeBartolo's are broke because Eddie gambled away their fortunes. Eddie' broke ***** *** shoulda done something when he owned the team still and when they were winning. would of been alot easier than it is now.

[estrine]

Read the Sunday January 25,2009 San Jose Mercury News front page of a shared stadium with the Niners & Raiders. We finally have people making sense for the shared stadium issue.

[RHill]

Either we share a stadium with the Raiders or we stay in our dump for the next 10 years & have the possability of the 49ers moving to LA. Plus with the 49ers & Raiders splitting the cost they could build an awesome venue. This is probably our only chance to get a new stadium.

I think your pretty much right.

If its the only way we're going to get a stadium built, then do it.

[Peter Proud]

Don't make a deal with the devil....Al Davis is known for being sued for payment, and suing to get out of paying.

[FaithfulFanLiz]

I still can't believe they would even consider this idea!!!!! Those **** Raider fans would probably ruin the stadium the first game!!!! There has to be a better option...I would rather NOT have a new place than sharing one with them!!!