Jets officially part ways with Barlow

[born9erfan]

The New York Daily News reports the Jets have released Kevan Barlow.
Barlow's agent informed the Daily News of Barlow's release. Feb. 21 - 3:35 pm et
Source: New York Daily News

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/Headlines.aspx?sport=NFL

http://blogs.nydailynews.com/jets/archives/2007/02/bye_bye_barlow.php

And No, he will not be our backup RB.:mouthclosed:

[Captain America]

What pick are we getting from them? Is it a fourth?

[Ace Matherton]

Yet another amazing outcome from a trade for a player many on here felt was a starter.

Winborn, Rattay, Lloyd and Barlow somebody in the FO has a genie in a bottle for us to have convinced teams to give up picks.

[Pound th' Rock]

Thanks for the 4th, tools!

[born9erfan]

What pick are we getting from them? Is it a fourth?

The Jets traded for Barlow at a weak moment, late in the preseason when it became apparent that Curtis Martin (knee) wasn’t going to be ready for the season. They sent a fourth-round pick to the 49ers. In retrospect, it wasn’t one of Mike Tannenbaum’s finer moments as GM.

http://blogs.nydailynews.com/jets/archives/2007/02/bye_bye_barlow.php

[low_N_breezy]

What a dumb move by nolan :rolleyes2: :laugh:

[Eric 80]

I'll give your front office that much. They've got a way of making a turd look like a diamond long enough for them to sell it. I can't believe some of the 'tards you guys have traded away for value.

You know you guys should probably get rid of Alexander now since he has lost all of his playmaking ability. I'm sure Nolan would give up one of our 3rd round picks.

[Monster49er]

You know you guys should probably get rid of Alexander now since he has lost all of his playmaking ability. I'm sure Nolan would give up one of our 3rd round picks.

You see, that is the difference for Alexander and Barlow...............Playmaker :victory:

[icedevil6]

I love how we dumped so much trash for free picks. Nolan really made something out of nothing on a ton of trades.

[DallasNiner]

KB to Oakland

That's a possibility. I'm curious to see if Shanahan will pick him up.

[SFdiehard]

The Jets just released K. Barlow
So not only did they take his huge salary off our hands, they gave us a 4th round draft pick too.
Would Barlow ever come back? Where is he gonna land? maybe Green Bay with McCarthy?

[Rep_Barlow]

Bring him back! Bring him back! Bring him back!:hide:

[CSULB49er]

"Mangini is Hitler."

[CDBrisc]

Bring him back! Bring him back! Bring him back!:hide:

Do we need a new waterboy?:falldownlaugh:

[BigMar]

What is up with Barlow?

That guy is a fast, big back with good hands.

Why cant he put his head in the game?

[San_Fran_49ers]

Do we need a new waterboy?:falldownlaugh:

tush wiper, possibly?:banana3:

[MaxRPM80]

He will get picked up by someone, but i doubt he will ever get much playing time anywhere or produce. Its kinda sad, he had potiential and for some reason it seams he did this to himself by getting a little lazy after he had that good year:gunshoot:

[dopeboymagic]

Everyone write this down. Barlow will end up in Minnesota who are having back depth issues or Denver. Shannahan really wanted Barlow in the draft and could be confident enough in his offensive system to ressurect his career

[jojob101]

I'll give your front office that much. They've got a way of making a turd look like a diamond long enough for them to sell it. I can't believe some of the 'tards you guys have traded away for value.

Yeah. I will agree. Nolan came in and cleaned up shop... got some picks for nobodies. WE WIN!

[SFdiehard]

Everyone write this down. Barlow will end up in Minnesota who are having back depth issues or Denver. Shannahan really wanted Barlow in the draft and could be confident enough in his offensive system to ressurect his career

I like the denver pick, he could hit the texans too depending on what they do in the draft!

[MasterShake]

Everyone write this down. Barlow will end up in Minnesota who are having back depth issues or Denver. Shannahan really wanted Barlow in the draft and could be confident enough in his offensive system to ressurect his career

Everyone write this down. Barlow will enjoy his early retirement and $20 million payday. I don't think he cares much for football...

[72ninerfan]

Everyone write this down. Barlow will end up in Minnesota who are having back depth issues or Denver. Shannahan really wanted Barlow in the draft and could be confident enough in his offensive system to ressurect his career

I agree with Denver, Shanahan called mooch and told him he had the steal of the Draft. Mike Bell and Tatum Bell were not the running combo shanahan had hope so he might give Barlow a shot. I wish him luck, because whereever he ends up it is going to be his last shot. At least Denver knows how to make good running backs out of average ones.

Somehow, I don't think he is going to make it...:tomato:

[BigMar]

Yeppity do da yeppity de day... Nolan got us another 4th rounder for Barlow's sub-standard play! :towel:

[BrentJones84]

:falldownlaugh:

We will be drafting in April with a pick for a player they don't even have anymore.

Good job Nolan!!!

[49er faithful11]

What is up with Barlow?

That guy is a fast, big back with good hands.

Why cant he put his head in the game?

replace whats in bold with "WAS" and as for the question, It maybe because he doesn't like Germans or something :hide:

[Rexi]

I just rewatched Smith's first start against the Colts and Barlow alright. Kind of a shame that he didn't really get a chance with this year's line. But that being said we had to move him because I doubt he would have taken being benched kindly. It was clear that Gore would overtake him soon.

[IowaNinersFan]

Do we need a new waterboy?:falldownlaugh:

No, he's worth at least a 4th rounder that we can milk off the Skins if they have any picks left this decade. :lightning:

[Venom]

Bring him back! Bring him back! Bring him back!:hide:

I'm with you, RB. I wouldn't mind seeing him back for a meager salary but I doubt he'll want to play the permanent Robin to Gore's Batman.

[Kezar Niner]

"Mangini is Hitler."

LOL, its only a matter of time before he opens his mouth. Might not be hitler this time cause it's already been used on Nolan, maybe Stalin?

[Sahota]

id take him as a backup....on minimal salary that is.

[ckirby96]

I'll give your front office that much. They've got a way of making a turd look like a diamond long enough for them to sell it. I can't believe some of the 'tards you guys have traded away for value.
Question: Who's this year's turd?

[FODY]

Question: Who's this year's turd?

Sammy Davis. Nolan will send him back to San Diego for a fifth rounder after a stellar preseason against threes and fours.

'Cept then we all gotta get new Vernon Davis jerseys when he drops the "V." on the back this year...

[yoni1887]

Do you guys think we should franchise tag him?

[Steeler Hater]

Do you guys think we should franchise tag him?

That makes no sense. Even with it being a joke.
:nonono:
It's a tough crowd in here. I know.

[yoni1887]

This post was a joke based off a previous poster suggesting that we should franchise tag frank gore... but seriously... real tough crowd.

[The Jerm!]

This post was a joke based off a previous poster suggesting that we should franchise tag frang gore... but seriously... real tough crowd.

Wrong place noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooob. :jay:

[MisfitZ]

i personally thought it was **** funny but these things arnt appreciated by people who have no sense of humor and we have a overstock of those people on this board keep up the funny stuff i laughed :bigboss: :misfitz:

[A187]

This post was a joke based off a previous poster suggesting that we should franchise tag frank gore... but seriously... real tough crowd.

i thought it was kinda funny

i liked the barlow nickname lol, and the fact that you didnt Seriously say that we should resign him like some total *****

[StaceyHearst]

This don't surprise me at all. :falldownlaugh: What would make me laugh even harder is no team offers barlow a contract. :falldownlaugh: :clapping:

[fabie]

The Jets are NAZIs!:fishing::falldownlaugh:

[sf49orr]

It wouldn't have matter if he played behind our line this year. He still would've stunk up the joint. He never hit the hole hard, he was always looking to cut back. He doesn't have the speed or the moves to be a decent cut back runner. I was always surprised with his size that he never hit the hole hard. When he tried to hit the hole he always got stuffed. He's too much of an up and down runner which makes for a big target. When you watch Frank you'll notice how low he gets to the ground and even when there's no hole and it looks like he's only going to get a yard or two, he squirts through and gets at least 5. Barlow doesn't like the contact and doesn't have the heart to be a starting running back in the NFL. I'm happy we got something for him and got rid of his salary. Maybe Shanahan can do something with him but unless Denver's line can open up holes the size of the Grand Canyon, I think he's destined for early retirement.

[4evrnyt]

The ESPN article is a bit harsher: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2774439


Six-year veteran Kevan Barlow, who failed to fill the New York Jets' need for a top-flight tailback in his only season with the franchise, was released Wednesday after a disappointing 2006 campaign in which he plummeted to the No. 3 spot on the depth chart
.

:nolan: :perfect10:

[euronimous]

The Jets are NAZIs!:fishing::falldownlaugh:


:gathering: Thats great!!!!!!!!! They must be Nazis too. I wonder if someone will sign him as a third down situation back or something. I hear the Browns are Nazi's too.

[Brain Daddy]

I'd like to see him get a shot in Denver.

[Sweets]

i personally thought it was **** funny but these things arnt appreciated by people who have no sense of humor and we have a overstock of those people on this board keep up the funny stuff i laughed :bigboss: :misfitz:

People here have NO SENSE OF HUMOR????? Surely you jest!!!!!:nonono:

[jjbankhead]

What is up with Barlow?

That guy is a fast, big back with good hands.

Why cant he put his head in the game?

i think it has more to do with him being on teams that are centered more around a power run game like what we have with gore. He isn't able to blow through holes, he needs big gaping holes like what Edge and Alexander were getting in 2005, then he can get into the open field and turn it on...

I still think the guy has got wheels he just needs to be on a team where he can get out in the open and isn't expected to bust through the line...

from what i saw of his play in NY he was mainly a short yardage/ goal line back, if he were on a team that could open up holes and give him room to run he could be a dangerous back.

[eperry0303]

I have to gloat a little bit. I remember all the posts last year saying what a mistake it was for us to get rid of Barlow. I have been tired of his tippy-tap dancing ways for a long time now. Looks like the Jets just figured it out, too.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/NYJ/10012915

[NiNeRtHeOrY]

Yeah, what a mistake that turned out to be for the Jets! I'm sure they are going to make a hard run at Michael Turner in free agency.....

[Finer9rFan]

Anyone else see Kevan Barlow cut from the Jets???...is 'Dancing With The Stars' in Kevan's future???...

Ooops, sorry just a little bit late, disregard..

[majesstik1]

Anyone else see Kevan Barlow cut from the Jets???...is 'Dancing With The Stars' in Kevan's future???...

Ooops, sorry just a little bit late, disregard..

What's up Finer?

Long time no see. Hope all is well.

[Rexi]

i think it has more to do with him being on teams that are centered more around a power run game like what we have with gore. He isn't able to blow through holes, he needs big gaping holes like what Edge and Alexander were getting in 2005, then he can get into the open field and turn it on...

I still think the guy has got wheels he just needs to be on a team where he can get out in the open and isn't expected to bust through the line...

from what i saw of his play in NY he was mainly a short yardage/ goal line back, if he were on a team that could open up holes and give him room to run he could be a dangerous back.Dead on post right there.

He isn't powerful in any sense of the word-- but behind a great line to punch open room for him he has enough moves in the open field to be dangerous. Catches the ball very well too.

[SB49er4life]

Dead on post right there.

He isn't powerful in any sense of the word-- but behind a great line to punch open room for him he has enough moves in the open field to be dangerous. Catches the ball very well too.

The whole juking thing with him is psychological; sure he's got good wheels and decent moves, but its not gonna do you any good when that's ALL you try to do.

Let's not mistake great agility for his size for great agility period. He doesn't have the quicks that the elite speed backs in this league has for him to be tryin to pull that **** all the time. Even guys like LT, Dunn, and Bush lower their shoulder and bust back when thats the most appropriate thing to do.

[Rexi]

The whole juking thing with him is psychological; sure he's got good wheels and decent moves, but its not gonna do you any good when that's ALL you try to do.

Let's not mistake great agility for his size for great agility period. He doesn't have the quicks that the elite speed backs in this league has for him to be tryin to pull that **** all the time. Even guys like LT, Dunn, and Bush lower their shoulder and bust back when thats the most appropriate thing to do.From what I saw circa-Week 5 2005 he has plenty of moves and speed to be successful in the NFL. Certainly more than Alexander does, perhaps more moves than Edge, definately more speed.

Like I said, behind an O-Line that creates the proper room he needs (a lot more than Gore needs) than he can be successful. Not that that is some sort of high praise.

I disagree that LT lowers his shoulder once in a while, he never does that. I know Bush does it though, and I didn't see any of Dunn this year so can't comment there.

[BrentJones84]

I still think the guy has got wheels he just needs to be on a team where he can get out in the open and isn't expected to bust through the line...

\.

That describes every running back in the NFL.

Any back is going to look good if he has wide open holes to run through.

[Rexi]

That describes every running back in the NFL.

Any back is going to look good if he has wide open holes to run through.

True, there are some RB's that are overrated because of their line. I'm not sure about jjbank but I was just saying that once out in the open field Barlow has good enough moves and speed. Again, I'm not trying to put him on a pedestal. Just giving credit where it's due in his game.

[Alti50]

good luck bud, i hear were tryin to trade with the seahawks next...gotta love that rebuilding period starin u straight in the eye huh

[IowaNinersFan]

Anyone else see Kevan Barlow cut from the Jets???...is 'Dancing With The Stars' in Kevan's future???...

Ooops, sorry just a little bit late, disregard..

Nice to hear from you Finer. How are GF and the kids?

[Finer9rFan]

Nice to hear from you Finer. How are GF and the kids?


Fine, thanks for asking...go figure, though, my first post of 2007 and its a REPEAT...lol...thanks to mods for moving it down here...

[AlaskaNinersFan]

I kind of feel bad for barlow,I think playing by that 2-14 O line scared him into doing too many moves before hitting the hole and his skills have diminished from his 1000 yard season because of it.

[markiemarko]

who is kevan barlow? :ohmy:

[Rep_Barlow]

i think it has more to do with him being on teams that are centered more around a power run game like what we have with gore. He isn't able to blow through holes, he needs big gaping holes like what Edge and Alexander were getting in 2005, then he can get into the open field and turn it on...

I still think the guy has got wheels he just needs to be on a team where he can get out in the open and isn't expected to bust through the line...

from what i saw of his play in NY he was mainly a short yardage/ goal line back, if he were on a team that could open up holes and give him room to run he could be a dangerous back.


That is how I feel, but his time is up... I always liked seeinghim catch the ball and run with it, I thought he was very fluid in the open field.

[MarcusCA420]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17267956/

Once again, Nolan was ahead of the game...
For everyone mad that we kept Gore over him.:nana:

[Sweets]

http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showthread.php?t=18780

You're too late with this bit of news

[MarcusCA420]

d@mnit...
why r u guys so good? :tease:

I wanted rep:sad:

[Sweets]

No rep for you :yes:

[NJNiner]

"Mangini is Hitler."

hahhaha i have a feeling hes going to keep his mouth shut this time

[MarcusCA420]

No rep for you :yes:

:wild:

[NJNiner]

True, there are some RB's that are overrated because of their line. I'm not sure about jjbank but I was just saying that once out in the open field Barlow has good enough moves and speed. Again, I'm not trying to put him on a pedestal. Just giving credit where it's due in his game.

emmit? :stirthepot:

[Mace Windu]

Man you must live in a cave. This is old news.

[markiemarko]

merged

[Rexi]

emmit? :stirthepot:

Yeah he's not the greatest back of all-time and his line was superior to everyone. But Emmitt Smith was a powerful runner despite his small frame so I respect him. He also wasn't really fast but caught the ball well and blocked well too. Kind of like Gore in some ways.

I hate his personality though.:angry:

[jjbankhead]

Yeah, what a mistake that turned out to be for the Jets! I'm sure they are going to make a hard run at Michael Turner in free agency.....

they just traded for thomas jones didn't they

[jjbankhead]

That describes every running back in the NFL.

Any back is going to look good if he has wide open holes to run through.

there are guys who once in the open field don't have quite the speed that barlowe does, i am not saying the guy is a hall of fame destined back, he just wasn't fit for what Nolan and Co. were trying to run.

remember we did not have a stellar line the last year that Hearst was here, Garcia was getting killed that same year. However Barlowe managed to put up what 1200 yards as a #2 back?

maybe its his work ethic, i think it has more to do with his skills versus our system- not a fit.

As far as any back with a good-great line having great seasons...

how well did addai do this past season, Jones???? bothe chicago and Indy have good lines to say the least, and neither addai or Jones had break out stand out numbers... Edge ran behind the same line two years ago and everyone thought he was destined for canton. so its not necessarily correct that all backs shine with holes opened up for them.

[BrentJones84]

there are guys who once in the open field don't have quite the speed that barlowe does, i am not saying the guy is a hall of fame destined back, he just wasn't fit for what Nolan and Co. were trying to run.

remember we did not have a stellar line the last year that Hearst was here, Garcia was getting killed that same year. However Barlowe managed to put up what 1200 yards as a #2 back?

maybe its his work ethic, i think it has more to do with his skills versus our system- not a fit.

As far as any back with a good-great line having great seasons...

how well did addai do this past season, Jones???? bothe chicago and Indy have good lines to say the least, and neither addai or Jones had break out stand out numbers... Edge ran behind the same line two years ago and everyone thought he was destined for canton. so its not necessarily correct that all backs shine with holes opened up for them.

Barlow was traded away by SF, and the Jet's released him. He's washed out with two teams, and thus far, no one in free agency has made a move on him.
If you think he's still a great player, go ahead, but two NFL teams disagree with you, and 30 more teams aren't jumping on the chance to sign him right away (although, I suspect, someone will add him eventually).

As for Indy, Addai was a rookie, who split time as a starter, while the Edge was a full time starter that didn't have to split time. You can't compare Addai's numbers in his rookie season to Edge in his prime.

[Tracker]

There are a few of teams I can see that may take a chance on him at league minimum.

1. Denver
2. Oakland
3. Miami
4. Minnesota
5. Atlanta

Other than that, he could have a bright future in either Canada or the Arena Football League.

[BrentJones84]

...

Other than that, he could have a bright future in either Canada or the Arena Football League.


:falldownlaugh:

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

We need to resign Barlow, QUICK!

Surely we can pawn him off on somebody for another 4th rounder. A 5th at the very least!

[jjbankhead]

Barlow was traded away by SF, and the Jet's released him. He's washed out with two teams, and thus far, no one in free agency has made a move on him.
If you think he's still a great player, go ahead, but two NFL teams disagree with you, and 30 more teams aren't jumping on the chance to sign him right away (although, I suspect, someone will add him eventually).

As for Indy, Addai was a rookie, who split time as a starter, while the Edge was a full time starter that didn't have to split time. You can't compare Addai's numbers in his rookie season to Edge in his prime.
dude i know you know better than to think all NFL teams run the same type of offense, my point has been and remains that BARLOWE WAS NOT a fit HERE for Nolan's desired offense, one with a pwoer running game. He wasn't a fit in NY. They only ran him in short yardage and goal line plays. I doubt we will hear about it if he does get picked up by a team, if he does he will have to compete for a roster spot. I won't be surprised when he does get picked up and if he gets on a team with a good line has a great season. He's jut not as bad a TB as most people on this board want him to be.

and i was comparing Addai to Barlowe in similar situations (when he shared snaps with hearst) where barlowe had a worse O-line, shared his snaps as the #2 back (addai was Indy's #1 guy this past season) and had a better season. Addai has a great O-line and ran for what 1081 yards. He would have finished under 1000 if he hadn't pulled two 100 yard games. His average was under 100 yards a game for most of the season....

[jjbankhead]

There are a few of teams I can see that may take a chance on him at league minimum.

1. Denver
2. Oakland
3. Miami
4. Minnesota
5. Atlanta

Other than that, he could have a bright future in either Canada or the Arena Football League.

i think denver was interested in him before he was traded to NJ. I wouldn't be surprised in him going there since they lost Tatum in the trade to detroit i wouldn't be surprised to hear he is at their camp.

[NinersFanatic]

Sucks for the Jets. They just got rid of a future Hall of Famer.

[BrentJones84]

dude i know you know better than to think all NFL teams run the same type of offense, my point has been and remains that BARLOWE WAS NOT a fit HERE for Nolan's desired offense, one with a pwoer running game. He wasn't a fit in NY.

Talk about beating a dead horse.

But OK, I'll play along.

So Barlow wasn't a fit for the WCO offense the 49ers tried to run in 2005, and wasn't a fit for the Jets offense in 2006. What offense is he good for?


and i was comparing Addai to Barlowe in similar situations (when he shared snaps with hearst) where barlowe had a worse O-line,

Worst O-line? What was bad about the O-line in 2003? Newberry was in top form then. FB Beasely went to the Probowl, as did TO. In 2003, the 49ers offense scored more points (384) than the New England Patriots did (348), but the 49ers were undone be a terrible defense, while NE won the Super Bowl.

I don't think the O-line was a problem in 2003.


shared his snaps as the #2 back (addai was Indy's #1 guy this past season) and had a better season. Addai has a great O-line and ran for what 1081 yards. He would have finished under 1000 if he hadn't pulled two 100 yard games. His average was under 100 yards a game for most of the season....

Addia ended the season as Indy's #1 back, but they brought him along slowly. Through the 1st 6 games of the season, Rhoads was averaging more rushing attempts than Addadi.
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/236986/gamelogs/2006
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/405288/gamelogs/2006

You can't say Addia was the number 1 back all season long, and try to compare to Barlow being the #2 in 2003, because Addai was not the #1 back the entire season.


Addai has a great O-line and ran for what 1081 yards. He would have finished under 1000 if he hadn't pulled two 100 yard games. His average was under 100 yards a game for most of the season........

Barlow would have finished under 1000 in 2003 if he hadn't pulled two 100 yard games.

Barlow's average was under 100 yards a game for most of the 2003 season.

In fact had Barlow not had the 78 yard run on 11/17/2003 against the Steelers, Barlow would not have broken 1000 in 2003.
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235019/gamelogs/2003

So could have, should have, would have....doesn't much matter. Both players got the yards they earned.

[SB49er4life]

and i was comparing Addai to Barlowe in similar situations (when he shared snaps with hearst) where barlowe had a worse O-line, shared his snaps as the #2 back (addai was Indy's #1 guy this past season) and had a better season. Addai has a great O-line and ran for what 1081 yards. He would have finished under 1000 if he hadn't pulled two 100 yard games. His average was under 100 yards a game for most of the season....

Look, Barlow's got great physical skills; he just doesn't have the mental make-up to go with what his skills offer. He could be great in a power running scheme with him being bad-*** building up his speed to cream tacklers, but unfortunately he's one of two things:

1- Soft. He's scared of/doesn't like contact. Embarrassing for someone of his size

2- Has a poor grasp of reality. Being fast/agile for a big back does not make you an elite speed back in the NFL. Poor chap thinks he's Marshall Faulk with the ball in his hands, and what he thinks he can do and he does are 2 separate entities. Or to put it simply, he tries to do too much.

If he ran hard to break tackles and used his moves/speed at appropriate times, he could be awesome


***RB is a position that relies on instincts more so than any measureable, including size, speed, or agility. What separates guys like Frank Gore and Emmitt Smith from much more athletic, bigger guys who do nothing ? The ability to know what move to pull at what time, when it is appropriate to try and shake your defender, when do you lower your shoulder, \what angle do you run at to give you the best separation from a defender, and when to set up blocks well.

Barlow did decent in NY because he was given the ball in goal-line situations where he didn't have to think too much, they basically just told him to run straight through that hole.

[MtzNinersfan]

Talk about beating a dead horse.

But OK, I'll play along.

So Barlow wasn't a fit for the WCO offense the 49ers tried to run in 2005, and wasn't a fit for the Jets offense in 2006. What offense is he good for?



Worst O-line? What was bad about the O-line in 2003? Newberry was in top form then. FB Beasely went to the Probowl, as did TO. In 2003, the 49ers offense scored more points (384) than the New England Patriots did (348), but the 49ers were undone be a terrible defense, while NE won the Super Bowl.

I don't think the O-line was a problem in 2003.



Addia ended the season as Indy's #1 back, but they brought him along slowly. Through the 1st 6 games of the season, Rhoads was averaging more rushing attempts than Addadi.
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/236986/gamelogs/2006
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/405288/gamelogs/2006

You can't say Addia was the number 1 back all season long, and try to compare to Barlow being the #2 in 2003, because Addai was not the #1 back the entire season.



Barlow would have finished under 1000 in 2003 if he hadn't pulled two 100 yard games.

Barlow's average was under 100 yards a game for most of the 2003 season.

In fact had Barlow not had the 78 yard run on 11/17/2003 against the Steelers, Barlow would not have broken 1000 in 2003.
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235019/gamelogs/2003

So could have, should have, would have....doesn't much matter. Both players got the yards they earned.

haha **** owned...

[jjbankhead]

Talk about beating a dead horse.

But OK, I'll play along.

So Barlow wasn't a fit for the WCO offense the 49ers tried to run in 2005, and wasn't a fit for the Jets offense in 2006. What offense is he good for?



Worst O-line? What was bad about the O-line in 2003? Newberry was in top form then. FB Beasely went to the Probowl, as did TO. In 2003, the 49ers offense scored more points (384) than the New England Patriots did (348), but the 49ers were undone be a terrible defense, while NE won the Super Bowl.

I don't think the O-line was a problem in 2003.



Addia ended the season as Indy's #1 back, but they brought him along slowly. Through the 1st 6 games of the season, Rhoads was averaging more rushing attempts than Addadi.
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/236986/gamelogs/2006
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/405288/gamelogs/2006

You can't say Addia was the number 1 back all season long, and try to compare to Barlow being the #2 in 2003, because Addai was not the #1 back the entire season.



Barlow would have finished under 1000 in 2003 if he hadn't pulled two 100 yard games.

Barlow's average was under 100 yards a game for most of the 2003 season.

In fact had Barlow not had the 78 yard run on 11/17/2003 against the Steelers, Barlow would not have broken 1000 in 2003.
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235019/gamelogs/2003

So could have, should have, would have....doesn't much matter. Both players got the yards they earned.

and in 2005 barlowe would have pulled another 1200 yard season if not for Kwane's holding calls killing the majority of his break out runs, from memory i remember one isntance in particular @ Tennesse he had 50+ that would have resulted in a TD that came back because of a hold (and its not the only insatnce), but we dont keep stats for runs that get called back because of lame RTs.

again Barlowe pulled his weight in 2003, and i believe it was 2003 when Garcia received concussions and wanted out because he kept getting flushed from the pocket, i didn't say they were the worst O-line in the league, but i would rather have had Indy's line from last season and/or the season before then what we had in 2003.

TO went to the probowl because of his ability to pull down passes and get YAC not because of our O-line... most of those passes came from Garcia's ability to scramble and make plays happen on the run.

Beasley looked great because he was blocking For Garrison the majority of his career here and he was a good dump off receiver for a while. Where is he now?? what happened to him the next season? or the season after that?

Our offensive line was not that great as a whole, and was a big reason Garcia kept getting hurt and getting flushed, which was why TO would cry about garcia not getting him the ball which was why they all left...

i love how when a player gets cut all of a sudden he was the worst player in the league, people are saying it about Barlowe, they have started up about bryant, it doesn't stop.

Barlowe is not as bad as everyone wants him to be. He would be a good fit for a team like Denver, not as a feature back but definitely for a # 2 guy, especially for a team that needs a TB who can catch the ball and run with it...

man i wish Tiz were still around i know he would agree with me

[jjbankhead]

Look, Barlow's got great physical skills; he just doesn't have the mental make-up to go with what his skills offer. He could be great in a power running scheme with him being bad-*** building up his speed to cream tacklers, but unfortunately he's one of two things:

1- Soft. He's scared of/doesn't like contact. Embarrassing for someone of his size

2- Has a poor grasp of reality. Being fast/agile for a big back does not make you an elite speed back in the NFL. Poor chap thinks he's Marshall Faulk with the ball in his hands, and what he thinks he can do and he does are 2 separate entities. Or to put it simply, he tries to do too much.

If he ran hard to break tackles and used his moves/speed at appropriate times, he could be awesome


***RB is a position that relies on instincts more so than any measureable, including size, speed, or agility. What separates guys like Frank Gore and Emmitt Smith from much more athletic, bigger guys who do nothing ? The ability to know what move to pull at what time, when it is appropriate to try and shake your defender, when do you lower your shoulder, \what angle do you run at to give you the best separation from a defender, and when to set up blocks well.

Barlow did decent in NY because he was given the ball in goal-line situations where he didn't have to think too much, they basically just told him to run straight through that hole.

i am not saying he is a great featured back, but he is quality enough to remain in the league, there are just a lot of ex-niner haters here who like to see people fail when they leave our team.

i know why Barlowe doesn't break through the line, and he probably could if he wanted to, but he doesn't, But when he does get the ball in the open field and turns it on he has been awful hard for defenders to stop.

Perhaps if he had better coaching or a better attitude he could be a featured back, but he probably will make the roster somewhere as a #2 guy.

don't forget that a guy like gore has tremendous leg strength and a lower center of gravity, his legs and angle help him do things other backs cannot.

i love frank as a 9er and don't want him replaced as along as he stays healthy, but i wont jump on the hate Barlowe bandwagon just because Nolan cut him.

[DallasNiner]

i am not saying he is a great featured back, but he is quality enough to remain in the league, there are just a lot of ex-niner haters here who like to see people fail when they leave our team.



Too true JJ too true. There are a ton of those.

[Ronin 49er]

It's true there are haters. But Barlow did have his faults. And many have been pointing them out way before Nolan was around and way before he got let go of.

[BrentJones84]

and in 2005 barlowe would have pulled another 1200 yard season if not for Kwane's holding calls killing the majority of his break out runs, from memory i remember one isntance in particular @ Tennesse he had 50+ that would have resulted in a TD that came back because of a hold (and its not the only insatnce), but we dont keep stats for runs that get called back because of lame RTs.

again Barlowe pulled his weight in 2003, and i believe it was 2003 when Garcia received concussions and wanted out because he kept getting flushed from the pocket, i didn't say they were the worst O-line in the league, but i would rather have had Indy's line from last season and/or the season before then what we had in 2003.

TO went to the probowl because of his ability to pull down passes and get YAC not because of our O-line... most of those passes came from Garcia's ability to scramble and make plays happen on the run.

Beasley looked great because he was blocking For Garrison the majority of his career here and he was a good dump off receiver for a while. Where is he now?? what happened to him the next season? or the season after that?
Our offensive line was not that great as a whole, and was a big reason Garcia kept getting hurt and getting flushed, which was why TO would cry about garcia not getting him the ball which was why they all left...

i love how when a player gets cut all of a sudden he was the worst player in the league, people are saying it about Barlowe, they have started up about bryant, it doesn't stop.

Barlowe is not as bad as everyone wants him to be. He would be a good fit for a team like Denver, not as a feature back but definitely for a # 2 guy, especially for a team that needs a TB who can catch the ball and run with it...

man i wish Tiz were still around i know he would agree with me

To answer your question, Beasley's career as of this moment, is going about as well as Barlows. :falldownlaugh:

Neither one has a job in the NFL.

[jjbankhead]

To answer your question, Beasley's career as of this moment, is going about as well as Barlows. :falldownlaugh:

Neither one has a job in the NFL.

well i hear Rhodes is signing a deal in Oak. could be Barlowe gets a crack at a backup role there, he would be a nice fit for their tandem running system. i am looking for the info about Rhodes going to OAK so far its just heresay

oops somebody found it already:
http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showthread.php?t=20802