Pacman Jones

[MorrisDay]

I'm sure you all heard about the latest news surrounding him, my question is:

Has he gone a single off season without getting in the news for something negative?

[SBbound49ers]

If this is true hes pathetic......

For those who havent heard he was at a stripclub and threw hundreds of $1 bills at the strippers and they went to get the money. PacMan supposedly didnt want them to take the money until he said so. So, he grabbed one of the strippers hair and smashed her head on the floor. After that, gun fire broke out and as a result one dude is paralyzed from the waiste down.

This is the night clubs owner story, PacMan of course denied it all.

Even worse, if they cut him (which they probably wont) some team would pick him right up.

[Sweets]

Pacman also pulled a Tyson and bit someone on the ankle..wtf

They have it on video of Pacman slamming one of the strippers head onto the floor.

[Bdogg]

I have to imagine there is video of these events. Now I am all for him being banned from the NFL if his actions directly resulted in a man getting shot. He has had too many off field issues and the league needs to take action.

[Ninerfan0850]

The Titans wont have to worry about cutting him....If the videotape shows what they say it shows, he'll be in jail.

[SBbound49ers]

The LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL reports that during a scuffle with Cudworth, Jones had stiches ripped out from recent shoulder surgery.

Cofield reports that after that initial confrontation, Jones bit Cudworth (Las Vegas Police later swabbed Cudworth for evidence of Jones' DNA), threatened to kill him ("I will kill you"), and told his posse "smoke his ***".

:surrender:

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/sporting-news-radio-reports-pacman-jones-strip-club-altercation-caught-on-video-12303.php

[BrentJones84]

A bit odd neither ESPN.com or SI.com has this story listed.

(or am I blind?)

[UCBLaxPlayer]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-jonesinvestigation022207&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

probably true, bye bye pacman for like 3 months in jail (or whatever leonard little got for involuntary manslaughter) and mostly likely during the offseason before he's back in the nfl.

seriously wtf is wrong with this guy

[BrentJones84]

http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/16758836.htm

The co-owner of the strip club where three people were shot over the NBA All-Star weekend says pro football player Adam "Pacman" Jones came and left with the shooter, an account that differs from that of Jones' lawyer.

"He denied any knowledge of the shooter, but he was sitting right next to him," club co-owner Robert Susnar told the Las Vegas Review-Journal

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/02/20/ap3445986.html
Titans cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones witnessed but wasn't involved in a shooting at a Las Vegas strip club that injured three, his lawyer said.

Jones, .., was only a witness to the triple shooting early Monday that left two critically wounded

http://www.fairviewobserver.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070222/SPORTS01/702220414/1321/MTCN06
Titans cornerback Pacman Jones set off a melee that led to a triple shooting outside a Las Vegas strip club early Monday morning, the club's co-owner said Wednesday, based on accounts he said he had from eyewitnesses.

Police said they obtained video and interviewed numerous witnesses.

A security guard shot in the chest and arm was released from a Las Vegas hospital on Tuesday. A female patron shot in the head remains in stable condition. Another security guard shot in the chest remains in critical condition and is going to be paralyzed for life, Susnar said.



Wow.

[Adrian]

pacman is such a punk

[NinerCubBoiler]

what a waste of life.... if these gang bangers can't keep their nose clean for the 10 years or so that they are making MILLIONS of dollars then they don't deserve a cent...

[Sweets]

glad that stuff doesn't happen at my strip club!

Well thugs rarely go to a all male strip club, so there ya go...:whistling:

[daredevil2-5]

Well thugs rarely go to a all male strip club, so there ya go...:whistling:
That wasn't nice

[Sweets]

That wasn't nice
And???:falldownlaugh:

[daredevil2-5]

And???:falldownlaugh:
You shouldn't be rude :nonono:

[samer]

what a waste of a draft pick

[Adrian]

what a waste of a draft pick

Not yet....he's still playing for them

[SourdoughTony]

We should sign him after he gets out of prison.

[euronimous]

heres a link to the story on ESPN. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2775250

Police seized $81,020 in cash belonging to Tennessee Titans cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones, which they said sparked a melee and a triple shooting at a strip club over the weekend, court documents show.
Jones was showering more than 40 strippers onstage at Minxx Gentlemen's Club & Lounge early Monday with the cash "intended as a visual effect," according to a search warrant. But a scuffle broke out when the Houston promoter who hired the strippers told them to pick the money up.

What a moron! He rolls to the strip joint with 81,000 dollars and throws it at a bunch of strippers and expects them not to take it. Anyone who would give strippers that much money deserve to have their ballz removed. This douche is a millionaire??? God the nfl is lame for giving these KIDS this much money for being able to PLAY ball.

[SBbound49ers]

what a waste of a draft pick

It was either him or FS Antrel Rolle.

[SB49er4life]

If this is true hes pathetic......

For those who havent heard he was at a stripclub and threw hundreds of $1 bills at the strippers and they went to get the money. PacMan supposedly didnt want them to take the money until he said so. So, he grabbed one of the strippers hair and smashed her head on the floor. After that, gun fire broke out and as a result one dude is paralyzed from the waiste down.

This is the night clubs owner story, PacMan of course denied it all.

Even worse, if they cut him (which they probably wont) some team would pick him right up.

What an *****. There's certain things athletes do that they get too much flak that I'll stick up for, but that's doin too much. I don't like people like that, and if thats the type of person he is, I hope he loses it all just so he can realize he ain't better than no one else

[BrentJones84]

He wasn't trying to give them the money, Basically dude wants to live a rap video and at the end of the day not have to give up his own money. He's gotta be carefull funking with Strippers like that, one day he's gonna come across his mother and she won't be happy.


Wow,, that was cold.


:falldownlaugh:

[Jags4Life]

Like the saying goes, if he keeps living like this there's only 2 places he'll wind up... 6 feet under or in prison.

[euronimous]

He wasn't trying to give them the money, Basically dude wants to live a rap video and at the end of the day not have to give up his own money. He's gotta be carefull funking with Strippers like that, one day he's gonna come across his mother and she won't be happy.

Exactly!! Which is why he is one of the NFL's biggest morons, and unfortunately for the Titans one of their biggest mistakes. He must be a good actor though because thugs usually arent that hard to sniff out. I would like to see his team interviews at the combine and then how he acts at da club. I'm sure glad there isnt anything in these young players contracts that says if you are an ***** you have to give back the money. That would sure suck for all the thugs. If he gets his money back, and is even allowed to step back on the field which I'm sure he will then the NFL is just plain wrong IMO. Ten strikes and your out rule should be in effect here. There are a million kids ready to take his place that arent fools, and will follow the rules period. Tupacman Jones is no exception. I'm just glad he's not a 49er!

[101South]

This is a brutally sad story, and it might make me rethink whether I would want to roll the dice on guys like Thurman or even Meriweather (whos talent I love). I have scoffed at bit at the character issues but I dont know anymore.

And how much streed cred can you have after going all Jeff Van Gundy on a bouncer's ankles?

[101South]

You're right, and that is why I am torn. Most players will still have a productive career (see Leonard, whom I hate), but it is a gamble. If there is an almost equally talented player without any questionable history, I think I'd invest my money there.

It's funny, but I dont think this will get as much airtime as TO falling asleep on the Tuna. The media is really twisted sometimes.

[SB49er4life]

This is a brutally sad story, and it might make me rethink whether I would want to roll the dice on guys like Thurman or even Meriweather (whos talent I love). I have scoffed at bit at the character issues but I dont know anymore.

And how much streed cred can you have after going all Jeff Van Gundy on a bouncer's ankles?

Who knows if Pacman's even a "thug" or not; he might have never gang-banged a day in his life and is just a jerk with a bad attitude that has way too big of an ego.

It's not really fair that every black athlete who gets caught breaking a law becomes labeled a "thug". There's rich white guys that come from "respectable" (whatever the **** THAT means these days) families that do the same things and aren't any better, who aren't in gangs at all.

We gotta start lookin deeper into situations rather than just gasp at the results. The things Pacman does, spit on girls at clubs, bash strippers heads in, is just inexcusable because there is no legitimate reason for ever doin that; he just thinks he can do whatever he wants.

With Merriwether, you gotta talk to the dude, see what he's all about and what kinda person he is; both incidents he was involved in had to do with having someone else's back.

Theres a difference between "misguided" and someone thats just a piece of **** person.

[101South]

Who knows if Pacman's even a "thug" or not; he might have never gang-banged a day in his life and is just a jerk with a bad attitude that has way too big of an ego.

It's not really fair that every black athlete who gets caught breaking a law becomes labeled a "thug". There's rich white guys that come from "respectable" (whatever the **** THAT means these days) families that do the same things and aren't any better, who aren't in gangs at all.

We gotta start lookin deeper into situations rather than just gasp at the results. The things Pacman does, spit on girls at clubs, bash strippers heads in, is just inexcusable because there is no legitimate reason for ever doin that; he just thinks he can do whatever he wants.

With Merriwether, you gotta talk to the dude, see what he's all about and what kinda person he is; both incidents he was involved in had to do with having someone else's back.

Theres a difference between "misguided" and someone thats just a piece of **** person.

It's not a color issue - I would feel the same way today about a guy like Richie Incognito who is white and had a questionable past at Nebraska. Kinda like the Peter kid a few years back at Nebraska (was it Chriistian Peter?).

[BrentJones84]

It's not really fair that every black athlete who gets caught breaking a law becomes labeled a "thug". There's rich white guys that come from "respectable" (whatever the **** THAT means these days) families that do the same things and aren't any better, who aren't in gangs at all.

Since when is thug only a term for people of color? :wacko:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/thug

thug (thŭg) Pronunciation Key
n.
A cutthroat or ruffian; a hoodlum.
also Thug One of a band of professional assassins formerly active in northern India who worshiped Kali and offered their victims to her.


Didn't Batman refer to criminals as "thugs" in the old TV series?

Thugs are lawbreakers, regadless of race.

[TecmoBowl]

Who knows if Pacman's even a "thug" or not; he might have never gang-banged a day in his life and is just a jerk with a bad attitude that has way too big of an ego.

It's not really fair that every black athlete who gets caught breaking a law becomes labeled a "thug". There's rich white guys that come from "respectable" (whatever the **** THAT means these days) families that do the same things and aren't any better, who aren't in gangs at all.

We gotta start lookin deeper into situations rather than just gasp at the results. The things Pacman does, spit on girls at clubs, bash strippers heads in, is just inexcusable because there is no legitimate reason for ever doin that; he just thinks he can do whatever he wants.

With Merriwether, you gotta talk to the dude, see what he's all about and what kinda person he is; both incidents he was involved in had to do with having someone else's back.

Theres a difference between "misguided" and someone thats just a piece of **** person.

Shut the hell up,

if you spark a fight and three people get shot (one of them a woman, in the head while another guy is paralized) you are labeled as a thug.

Stop using the race card to stick up for this waste of space; if God was real I wish he knock pacman's punk azz down to hell when he becomes the next NFL player to get shot in a drive-by.

[SB49er4life]

Shut the hell up,

if you spark a fight and three people get shot (one of them a woman, in the head while another guy is paralized) you are labeled as a thug.

Stop using the race card to stick up for this waste of space; if God was real I wish he knock pacman's punk azz down to hell when he becomes the next NFL player to get shot in a drive-by.

If you knew how to read you'd see that I wasn't stickin up for him at all. I've said in about 3 different posts in this thread Pacman is a jack *** and there is no reason or excuse for his actions. I even said earlier in this thread that I despise people like that and he deserves to lose everything he has just so he stops thinkin he's high and mighty.

[IowaNinersFan]

heres a link to the story on ESPN. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2775250

Police seized $81,020 in cash belonging to Tennessee Titans cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones, which they said sparked a melee and a triple shooting at a strip club over the weekend, court documents show.
Jones was showering more than 40 strippers onstage at Minxx Gentlemen's Club & Lounge early Monday with the cash "intended as a visual effect," according to a search warrant. But a scuffle broke out when the Houston promoter who hired the strippers told them to pick the money up.There's a strip club called Minx Show Palace on the outskirts of DM where my next door neighbor used to work at until she got fired for missing to many days/nights of work. From the sounds of things, she has been fired from all the strip clubs in town lol. :falldownlaugh:

[SB49er4life]

Being a thug doesn't mean he's a gangbanger, I think you're too hung up on the word Thug. It is an accurate assessment of what Punkman is trying to be. He is trying to live like he's on a rap video, which is what makes him a thug.

Well all of us have slightly different definitions of words, but I see what your sayin' with the literal meaning of it and everything, and I do agree that he is some egotistical punk who thinks he is in a rap video. That's actually a great way to put it.

It's just where I'm from, we don't use the term "thug" for guys like Sacman; we call them *****.

I have the same stance as everyone else on this jack smoke; I was just pointing out that things some of these athletes are gettin caught for have their own set of circumstances and everything involved should be taken into consideration when coming to a conclusion about how what they did pertains to them as a person.

For some people, its making mistakes, or doing things because they're misguided. Azzman Jones is just a bad person.

[CSULB49er]

What a moron.

He should be playing for the Bengals, or in the NBA.

[Morgan Liu]

I would take him. He's a good corner.

So what if he has a Fellini-esque appreciation for the absurdism of life and seeks to manifest that through his actions? I find that rather entertaining.

[CSULB49er]

I would take him. He's a good corner.

So what if he has a Fellini-esque appreciation for the absurdism of life and seeks to manifest that through his actions? I find that rather entertaining.

A woman being shot in the head, and a man being paralized for life from the waist down is entertaining to you?

[Morgan Liu]

Regardless of whether it is or not, that is not what I said.

My post was short, so I'm surprised (or not) that you didn't catch me stating that his "Fellini-esque appreciation for the absurdism of life," is the quality that entertains me.

[49er faithful11]

I would take him. He's a good corner.

So what if he has a Fellini-esque appreciation for the absurdism of life and seeks to manifest that through his actions? I find that rather entertaining.

Good corner, yes. But I wouldn't take him. Too much baggage in the short NFL Career. Kinda like a T.O. on the Defensive side of the ball. Well, maybe not that much yet....

[CSULB49er]

Regardless of whether it is or not, that is not what I said.

My post was short, so I'm surprised (or not) that you didn't catch me stating that his "Fellini-esque appreciation for the absurdism of life," is the quality that entertains me.


So what if he has a Fellini-esque appreciation for the absurdism of life and seeks to manifest that through his actions? I find that rather entertaining.

To me, your post states that you find it entertaining that he'll do whatever he deems necessary to fulfill his "Fellini-esque appreciation for the absurdism of life" His actions led to a man suffering paralysis, and a woman being shot in the head.

[Morgan Liu]

And the first atom bouncing into the next atom led to the next and the next and finally to Pacman Jones and Nelly in a shootout in a club.

Causality is such a tricky thing, let's leave it at that.

His life is self parody, except that it's not, which just reaches an even deeper level of hilarity.

[MisfitZ]

heres a link to the story on ESPN. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2775250

Police seized $81,020 in cash belonging to Tennessee Titans cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones, which they said sparked a melee and a triple shooting at a strip club over the weekend, court documents show.
Jones was showering more than 40 strippers onstage at Minxx Gentlemen's Club & Lounge early Monday with the cash "intended as a visual effect," according to a search warrant. But a scuffle broke out when the Houston promoter who hired the strippers told them to pick the money up.

What a moron! He rolls to the strip joint with 81,000 dollars and throws it at a bunch of strippers and expects them not to take it. Anyone who would give strippers that much money deserve to have their ballz removed. This douche is a millionaire??? God the nfl is lame for giving these KIDS this much money for being able to PLAY ball.

ok first off he had 81000 on him he threw about 300 dollars on stage and he didnt want them to get it untill he said so and thats when he slammed that strippers head into the stage and went out the back

I live in vegas and i heard that he was making it rain with dollar bills and the local sports guys were laughing at him about it saying he should have just been throwing pennys if he was only using ones

[SB49er4life]

Regardless of whether it is or not, that is not what I said.

My post was short, so I'm surprised (or not) that you didn't catch me stating that his "Fellini-esque appreciation for the absurdism of life," is the quality that entertains me.

I get where your comin from, bro. You gotta understand that a lot of the people on his board have sticks up their butt all the time, poor sense of humor, and would label you a "menace to society" for putting the shrimp fork on the wrong side of the plate when setting the dinner table.

Now watch closely Morgan at how many response posts I'm gonna get with people thinking that I'm a supporter abusing women and laughing at parapalegics.

[SB49er4life]

Good corner, yes. But I wouldn't take him. Too much baggage in the short NFL Career. Kinda like a T.O. on the Defensive side of the ball. Well, maybe not that much yet....

Ya, T.O. being opinionated at handling interpersonal relationships poorly is a lot worse hitting/spitting on women, causing melee's which ruin people's lives, and can all but guarantee that there is some pretty wild drugs involved with Pacman Jones as well.

T.O. can be labeled an egotistical jerk at worst; Pacman Jones directly and violently affects peoples lives causing great harm. Be real.

[Morgan Liu]

I get where your comin from, bro. You gotta understand that a lot of the people on his board have sticks up their butt all the time, poor sense of humor, and would label you a "menace to society" for putting the shrimp fork on the wrong side of the plate when setting the dinner table.

Now watch closely Morgan at how many response posts I'm gonna get with people thinking that I'm a supporter abusing women and laughing at parapalegics.

Well I'm glad I don't share their condition. Or else I could not appreciate the most offensive jokes on Family Guy.

Now if I lost that little bit of joy in my life, who would be the loser? Me. And would the world be a better place? Probably. But so what?

lol

[49er faithful11]

Ya, T.O. being opinionated at handling interpersonal relationships poorly is a lot worse hitting/spitting on women, causing melee's which ruin people's lives, and can all but guarantee that there is some pretty wild drugs involved with Pacman Jones as well.

T.O. can be labeled an egotistical jerk at worst; Pacman Jones directly and violently affects peoples lives causing great harm. Be real.

My statement or post I guess was taken out of context. Saying he's like a T.O. on defense was in relation of all the added, unwanted, spectical he created for his team due to his off-field actions. Nowhere in my post do I say that I condone what either of them do or did. T.O's off field antics are old and repetive. And Packman's off field antics is horrible and I feel sorry for anyone that he's affected.

[Morgan Liu]

Ya, T.O. being opinionated at handling interpersonal relationships poorly is a lot worse hitting/spitting on women, causing melee's which ruin people's lives, and can all but guarantee that there is some pretty wild drugs involved with Pacman Jones as well.

T.O. can be labeled an egotistical jerk at worst; Pacman Jones directly and violently affects peoples lives causing great harm. Be real.

TO amuses me too. I like TO.

I laugh a little more because he lives. Isn't that a compliment?

[49ER-EXTREMIST]

HE'S A ****EN PUNK!!!! PUT ME ALONE WITH THAT CHUMP FOR 2 MINUTES AND I'D END HIS SAD AZZZ CAREER!!!!








Sorry but I hate guys like him.

[daredevil2-5]

Sorry but I hate guys like him.
O rly?

[CSULB49er]

What a piece of garbage. I heard the details on Mike and Mike in the Morning. This punk deserves to get his butt beat. Bad. And I hope he does. Good players with bad pasts just aren't worth it. Period. Because they never change.

Darrent Williams didn't have the best past...

[Fez]

O rly?

NO WAI!

[SBbound49ers]

so whos gonna try to out-thug him now?

my money is on sean taylor, but consider antrel rolle and deangelina hall darkhorses

What happened with Hall in the past? I cant remember him having a run in.

[SB49er4life]

TO amuses me too. I like TO.

I laugh a little more because he lives. Isn't that a compliment?

I think it's hilarious; and I think the joke is on everyone else who gets so caught up in his life and all the little things he does; grown men doin their best impersonations of women watchin Desperate Housewives.

People say unnecessary things every day, most people do, and a lot of people have handled interpersonal relationships terribly themselves to spiting someone else for doing **** they probably did early that day/week.

ESPN's ratings probably increase considerably when he's on the mic, too; who DIDn't tune in on that silly interview a couple years ago when he was wearing a T-shirt with a pic of his mom on it ? Heck, a couple of my friends straight TiVo'd it !

[ftn49]

Who knows if Pacman's even a "thug" or not; he might have never gang-banged a day in his life and is just a jerk with a bad attitude that has way too big of an ego.

It's not really fair that every black athlete who gets caught breaking a law becomes labeled a "thug". There's rich white guys that come from "respectable" (whatever the **** THAT means these days) families that do the same things and aren't any better, who aren't in gangs at all.

We gotta start lookin deeper into situations rather than just gasp at the results. The things Pacman does, spit on girls at clubs, bash strippers heads in, is just inexcusable because there is no legitimate reason for ever doin that; he just thinks he can do whatever he wants.


http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/jones_adam#personal

Raised by his grandmother as a child in the ghetto of College Park, Ga., it was his mentor at Atlanta's Westlake High School, Libby Sobleski, that Adam credits for turning his life around and help him become the first person in his family to attend college.

Obviously that doesn't say that he was a "thug" but that certainly implies it, plus even though I can't find links to the information now, I remember it mentioned several times leading up to the 2005 draft that people were not sure that he had left that lifestyle behind.

I guess I have never thought of the word thug as a black or white thing, maybe thats just me.

Onto the issue at hand, last night (wednesday) on sirius radio, they interviewed the club owner, and some points that I didn't see covered here entailed:

Pacman was there with several people including his girlfriend, his publicist, his bodyguard and the guy who shot the people.

Apparently the clubs fly strippers into Vegas for special events and weekends, and his "raining money" dance was known to all but one girl, who started picking up the money when it hit the stage. When she started doing this, Pacman grabbed her and slamed her head into the stage and punched her in the face.

Then a bouncer grabbed Pacman and restrained him, at which point Pacmans girlfriend hit the bouncer in the head with a champene bottle, while Pacman is screaming at him and biting his ankle. Pacman frees himself, goes over to the other side of the club where the girl is that started to gather his money and punches her in the face again.

After all this, which is about 5 or 6 in the morning, they clear out the club and are sorting everything out outside, when the assailent that came to the club with pacman shows up and shoots the bouncer that grabbed him, which not only severs his spine, but he also got shot in the arm which shattered some of the bones, and the two others.


Honestly this stuff sickens me, and I know that the police figure this is mostly about money, but to me it seems more like someone didn't show the respect Pacman thought he deserved and was punished for it, which kind of makes me reevaluate how much money and time that I put into the nfl and its teams that place a value on performance over character, especially those that continue to give players like this with a history of off the field violence "just one more chance".

[SB49er4life]

Well...I'll say that most players don't change.

So you think that most of the players in the NFL come from money, financial stability, and good upbringing ?

Sorry, but you gotta get to know people for who they are and why they do the things they do before being so quick to pass judgement.

For example:

There are those who do certain things, like gang-bang or do things usually associated with that such as selling drugs, carrying a weapon, etc,because they are idiots; they're ignorant to the world, have their priorities mixed up, are lazy and want an easy way out, are selfish people and don't care about nobody but themselves; or as Morris said earlier, just tryin to live a rap life fantasy with delusions of grandeur.

But imagine you have no choice but to grow up in a BAD part of town; a part of town where if your caught solo, your gettin stuck for your wallet, watch, or possibly even your life. A lot of teens join gangs as a means of protection, because they don't have much of a choice; there's a "your either in with us, or your out" mentality in a lot of hoods.

Or how would you like living in a 1 bedroom apt, with a house full of younger siblings hearing them cry goin to bed hungry every night, with no electricity or water ? You might have a job, but it doesn't matter because that money has to go just not gettin evicted because only 1 parent is around and can't afford anything. Do you sell dope to get by or watch your family suffer ? It's an easy question to answer when reading, but it's not quite the same when your thrust in the situation with little choice.


-- A lot of players have come outta the slums and successes of themselves in pro sports, whether its the NFL or NBA, and along the way may have done things society would absolutely not tolerate. A lot of them also are grateful for their blessings and work hard so they don't HAVE to go back to that lifestyle.

And then there is Pacman Jones....

[SB49er4life]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/jones_adam#personal



Obviously that doesn't say that he was a "thug" but that certainly implies it, plus even though I can't find links to the information now, I remember it mentioned several times leading up to the 2005 draft that people were not sure that he had left that lifestyle behind.

I guess I have never thought of the word thug as a black or white thing, maybe thats just me.

Onto the issue at hand, last night (wednesday) on sirius radio, they interviewed the club owner, and some points that I didn't see covered here entailed:

Pacman was there with several people including his girlfriend, his publicist, his bodyguard and the guy who shot the people.

Apparently the clubs fly strippers into Vegas for special events and weekends, and his "raining money" dance was known to all but one girl, who started picking up the money when it hit the stage. When she started doing this, Pacman grabbed her and slamed her head into the stage and punched her in the face.

Then a bouncer grabbed Pacman and restrained him, at which point Pacmans girlfriend hit the bouncer in the head with a champene bottle, while Pacman is screaming at him and biting his ankle. Pacman frees himself, goes over to the other side of the club where the girl is that started to gather his money and punches her in the face again.

After all this, which is about 5 or 6 in the morning, they clear out the club and are sorting everything out outside, when the assailent that came to the club with pacman shows up and shoots the bouncer that grabbed him, which not only severs his spine, but he also got shot in the arm which shattered some of the bones, and the two others.


Honestly this stuff sickens me, and I know that the police figure this is mostly about money, but to me it seems more like someone didn't show the respect Pacman thought he deserved and was punished for it, which kind of makes me reevaluate how much money and time that I put into the nfl and its teams that place a value on performance over character, especially those that continue to give players like this with a history of off the field violence "just one more chance".

Good find. Everyone is gettin too worked up over this "thug" thing that I said; look, I can't remember the last time a white athlete was referred to as a thug for driving drunk, starting a fight at a bar/club, gettin caught with drugs or hitting his wife/gf. That's all I can say about that, y'all take it for what its worth.

There's two sides to every story, and there is a good chance Pacman's past is coming back to haunt him in this situation, but some things are just unjustifiable. If you read a good amount of my posts, you'll see that I catch a lof of flak for stickin up for guys who others condemn for something or another, but even I can't vouch for this douche bag.

Pacman doesn't deserve "respect" even for what he initially claims he was tryin to do; just show off his money and act like he has all this power as an NFL athlete and make himself look better than everybody else. If he's as much of a boss as he thinks he is, a few G's is nothin to him.

One spitting incident that happened with him, where he claimed a female he was speaking to at a club got caught reaching for his wallet and tryin to jack him I was able to reason with, because some women are shady like that and probably deserve the spit. But when it happens again, and again... you just gotta question the guys credibility, and if he just makes things up to get away with ****.

That kinda stuff is not tolerable. Neither is punching a female in the face, especially because she's pickin up $$ YOU threw at her. No matter who you are, what you had to go through in life, theres just no reason for it.

[ftn49]

Good find. Everyone is gettin too worked up over this "thug" thing that I said; look, I can't remember the last time a white athlete was referred to as a thug for driving drunk, starting a fight at a bar/club, gettin caught with drugs or hitting his wife/gf. That's all I can say about that, y'all take it for what its worth.

There's two sides to every story, and there is a good chance Pacman's past is coming back to haunt him in this situation, but some things are just unjustifiable. If you read a good amount of my posts, you'll see that I catch a lof of flak for stickin up for guys who others condemn for something or another, but even I can't vouch for this douche bag.

Pacman doesn't deserve "respect" even for what he initially claims he was tryin to do; just show off his money and act like he has all this power as an NFL athlete and make himself look better than everybody else. If he's as much of a boss as he thinks he is, a few G's is nothin to him.

One spitting incident that happened with him, where he claimed a female he was speaking to at a club got caught reaching for his wallet and tryin to jack him I was able to reason with, because some women are shady like that and probably deserve the spit. But when it happens again, and again... you just gotta question the guys credibility, and if he just makes things up to get away with ****.

That kinda stuff is not tolerable. Neither is punching a female in the face, especially because she's pickin up $$ YOU threw at her. No matter who you are, what you had to go through in life, theres just no reason for it.

Yeah, I really liked your post before this, and rep'd you for it, and I will also defend some character discrepancies to a certain extent, but I draw the line at the violent offenders.

Jones BTW was also sentenced to a year in jail suspended and two years probation in 2003, when him and some of his buddies on the west virginia football team beat some guy up with pool cues, I don't know the circumstances of that event, but there are more than enough signs at least to me that by now he isn't going to change.

[SB49er4life]

Yeah, I really liked your post before this, and rep'd you for it, and I will also defend some character discrepancies to a certain extent, but I draw the line at the violent offenders.

Jones BTW was also sentenced to a year in jail suspended and two years probation in 2003, when him and some of his buddies on the west virginia football team beat some guy up with pool cues, I don't know the circumstances of that event, but there are more than enough signs at least to me that by now he isn't going to change.

Even violence, as much as it sucks to have to say it, is necessary at times. I got no problem with a guy pullin out a heater or a blade if he's in a situation where he feels his life is in jeopardy, like getting jumped or robbed or something. Or having to defend himself or friends he's with. It's not excusable when you walk into places like your hardest thing since stale bread and you start fights with people just so everyone can see how "tough" you are and just to get a rep.

But when I hear about stuff this punks done, it tells me more about other situations; like they probably were just being jerks to some dude at a pool hall, the guy said something back, and they beat his *** because they could and simply felt like it. No reason for that.

I've been in situations where buddies of mine at the time called me to "have their back" and I said no because I knew their character and that they probably just started **** with the wrong people and kinda deserve to get punked so they stop tryin to act hard.

[Sweets]

The only one to blame here is the NFL, yep, I said it...the NFL for looking the other way for years. A slap on the wrist and then the courts suspend sentencing until after the season so their beloved athletes can still play, how many of us would be allowed to work for a year then do our community service instead of going straight to jail? Hell, I don't blame any of these guys, they can and do get away with pretty much everything and pick up more fans along the way and get bigger paychecks too.

[Sweets]

You shouldn't be rude :nonono:


Knobs knows that I was just funning with him...me??? rude???? NEVER!!!

[Sweets]

Morris, and you don't think the 2 are attached at the hip??? The NFL gives out fines for everything short of farting on the field, you can't tell me that they can't do more when over and over again a guy acts as though he's owed some kind of pass to do what he wants when he wants, and what about the starting of his sentence, if it's the courts that dictate when it should start then fine, I take back my faulting the NFL, but somehow I think the NFL has more to do with it then it seems.

I don't think you'll ever see people of status or money every being treated as equal as Joe Blow off the street.

[4Nine4life]

The only one to blame here is the NFL, yep, I said it...the NFL for looking the other way for years. A slap on the wrist and then the courts suspend sentencing until after the season so their beloved athletes can still play, how many of us would be allowed to work for a year then do our community service instead of going straight to jail? Hell, I don't blame any of these guys, they can and do get away with pretty much everything and pick up more fans along the way and get bigger paychecks too.


You can't blame the NFL, Pacman is a dumb a**. The NFL didn't throw 80,000 on a strip club floor and cause a up roar. He did! The Titans should cut this JERK and the other teams should black ball him because he's nothing but trouble.

[SB49er4life]

Uh no. I mean that most players that cause trouble and have bad attitudes with signs of immaturity still continue to do it. There's a difference between judging someone before they've done anything and judging someone after they've done something unorthodox several times.

There is guys that have done a lot of these things (i'm not talkin about Pacman, he takes it too far) earlier in their lives, gang bang, sell dope, whatever as a means of survival, who get to the league and realize that they have a great opportunity and drop other **** because they don't need to do it anymore. And most of these guys you NEVER hear about because they didn't get caught doin their dirt. Your way too naive if you think that the only guys who have had pasts are the guys who get caught for it.

I'm not down with athletes doin things that harm other people; I don't care who you are, you have no right to infringe on other people's safety or feelings. But as far as things like marijuana possession, stuff like that, that's a man's personal business. And since none of us know these guys directly it's hard to say if they were forced in 'banging at a younger age, or if they did it for the rep and just to be cool.

[SB49er4life]

Morris, and you don't think the 2 are attached at the hip??? The NFL gives out fines for everything short of farting on the field, you can't tell me that they can't do more when over and over again a guy acts as though he's owed some kind of pass to do what he wants when he wants, and what about the starting of his sentence, if it's the courts that dictate when it should start then fine, I take back my faulting the NFL, but somehow I think the NFL has more to do with it then it seems.

I don't think you'll ever see people of status or money every being treated as equal as Joe Blow off the street.

That's capitalism, sweetie. It's the way the economy is set up, and when the demand for players of talent is so high, of course the company involved, in this case the NFL, is gonna do what it can to up its value, which is producing W's, which lead to seats being filled and team merchandise being bought. When you lose your worth, value and skills to a company, you get away with less and less.

You bring a good point at the end, though; It's people with money and power, not just "athletes" that get away with stuff.

I live in Southern Cali, and a couple years ago, these three 19-year old kids were on VIDEOTAPE raping a girl while she was passed out, and sticking objects up her; video, blatant evidence we're talkin about, facts. The kids get let off the hook because one of their dads was the lead sherriff or deputy of a police department.

[photomonkey]

I think this editorial by Joe Saraceno at USA Today USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/saraceno/2007-02-22-pacman-jones_x.htm) speaks volumes...

"It is a privilege to play — not a right. As such, a life of privilege can be taken away.

When are NFL communities going to take back their teams? When will fans demand that owners and coaches hold miscreants and repeat offenders to a standard demanded by any employer? When will they insist on good citizenship as a prerequisite to players' enjoying the perks of their lofty, lucrative perch in society? The reality: perhaps never.

Even if the Titans release Jones, he soon will be free to terrorize a city near you. Another NFL team will gamble on his talents as a cornerback and kick returner. Last season, he led the NFL in punt-return average. Since he joined the league in 2005, he has led the NFL in second chances (tied with former fellow West Virginia star Chris Henry of the Bengals, whose tiger-striped uniforms should be replaced by old-fashioned prison stripes).

Jones is a symptom of what's ailing the league's lenient disciplinary code. And, just like everyone else who has attempted to deal with him since his college days at WVU, he is being coddled because of his status. Why do you think the Bears didn't punish Tank Johnson more severely for his alleged cache of weaponry and ammunition? They believed they couldn't win without him."

[SB49er4life]

But that's stuff we don't know about. But once they've messed up their chance once or twice in the NFL, I think it's safe to assume they won't change. My opinion, take it or leave it.

So your saying that because you don't get caught for it, it makes you a better person than a guy doin the same thing that DOES get caught for it ? That doesn't make sense. A guy who hits his wife/gf and but doesn't have it on his record is no better than the guy who does the same thing but it shows up in paperwork.

I don't know what you mean by "messed up his chance". Certain things are absolutely unacceptable, and there are other things that are made out to be a bigger deal than they are.

Jones has taken it too far, and it's not about the NFL, it's about the legal system. The law has to step up and let him know this **** isn't acceptable more-so than the NFL. I don't think Pacman is gonna change. One outrageous event you can say it was a mistake, or a bad situation he was put into; this is too much.

[SB49er4life]

Again, that's stuff we don't know about. I'm not saying those guys should be let off the hook. I'm saying the people that we do know that have made mistakes repeatedly never change. Why? Because they keep doing things and we keep hearing about them. Don't get it twisted.

I get you, bro. I think it depends on the type of offense and what they do; your right, if somebody is doin those type of things and gettin caught 2-3 times for it, they are probably doin it a lot, lot more, and probably won't change.

I'm just sayin certain things people do is their OWN business; the only things considered "offenses" that I look down upon are crimes that involve harming others. Your only hurting yourself with things like misdemeanor drug charges; that setting a good example crap should be left for the parents to deal with, not some athlete that isn't anywhere near your kids life, anyway.

[Morgan Liu]

I think it's hilarious; and I think the joke is on everyone else who gets so caught up in his life and all the little things he does; grown men doin their best impersonations of women watchin Desperate Housewives.

People say unnecessary things every day, most people do, and a lot of people have handled interpersonal relationships terribly themselves to spiting someone else for doing **** they probably did early that day/week.

ESPN's ratings probably increase considerably when he's on the mic, too; who DIDn't tune in on that silly interview a couple years ago when he was wearing a T-shirt with a pic of his mom on it ? Heck, a couple of my friends straight TiVo'd it !

Greatest thing TO ever did was mimic Ray Lewis's pregame dance perfectly. That must have taken hours to get down. I appreciate that. That's dedication to entertain right there.

[Morgan Liu]

And I love that his name is Pacman. If his name was Mike Jones, this story wouldn't have nearly the same flavor.

Serious journalists were forced to write headlines includng the name "Pacman Jones." That's rich.

[BrentJones84]

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/TEN/10017769

INDIANAPOLIS (Feb. 23, 2007) -- Adam "Pacman" Jones, entangled in a triple shooting at a Las Vegas strip club, might not be on the Tennessee Titans' roster next season.

Mike Reinfeldt, the team's new general manager, was asked at the NFL Scouting Combine about Jones' status after reports of the cornerback's involvement in the mayhem. He replied: "I would assume there is that potential."

I would hope if the Titans cut him no one would be dumb enough to pick him up.

This is the eighth time Jones has at least been interviewed by police since the Titans drafted him with the sixth pick overall in 2005.

:yikes: Even if he somehow didn't commit a crime in this, he certainly has a habit of putting himself in bad situations.

[BrentJones84]

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070224/SPORTS01/702240349

Saturday, 02/24/07

Vegas club owner says threats not a concern

The Las Vegas strip club co-owner who accuses Titans cornerback Pacman Jones of setting off the melee that led to a triple shooting outside the club on Monday said friends and associates advised him to stay quiet.

On Friday, he said he has received death threats at the club in recent days.

"Some of my employees are concerned," he said, "but I am not going to be intimidated."

Dang, this just keeps getting even more weird.

[TecmoBowl]

And the first atom bouncing into the next atom led to the next and the next and finally to Pacman Jones and Nelly in a shootout in a club.

Causality is such a tricky thing, let's leave it at that.

His life is self parody, except that it's not, which just reaches an even deeper level of hilarity.

Wow, we have a free thinker here everyone.

Do you pretend you're smart when you bag my groceries?

[TecmoBowl]

I think it's hilarious; and I think the joke is on everyone else who gets so caught up in his life and all the little things he does; grown men doin their best impersonations of women watchin Desperate Housewives.

People say unnecessary things every day, most people do, and a lot of people have handled interpersonal relationships terribly themselves to spiting someone else for doing **** they probably did early that day/week.

ESPN's ratings probably increase considerably when he's on the mic, too; who DIDn't tune in on that silly interview a couple years ago when he was wearing a T-shirt with a pic of his mom on it ? Heck, a couple of my friends straight TiVo'd it !

TO is getting boring, who cares if he calls his coach out or falls asleep during team meetings. The good stuff is getting shot in the neck leaving a club after getting your *** kicked out of the playoffs during the last game of the season.

TO is no Darrent.

[sandiegojoe]

I live in Southern Cali, and a couple years ago, these three 19-year old kids were on VIDEOTAPE raping a girl while she was passed out, and sticking objects up her; video, blatant evidence we're talkin about, facts. The kids get let off the hook because one of their dads was the lead sherriff or deputy of a police department.

then they got re-tried and found guilty though. They originally got let off the hook cause they had a good attorney and a dumb jury, and the DA presented a sloppy case.

the system is ugly, nut it does work some times

[Morgan Liu]

Wow, we have a free thinker here everyone.

Do you pretend you're smart when you bag my groceries?

lol

I don't bag groceries. I sell my body on the street to support my heroin habit, you know that. Remember, that's how we met? You wanted a... well, it's really not civilized conversation.

Silly.

[SB49er4life]

Wow, we have a free thinker here everyone.

Do you pretend you're smart when you bag my groceries?

Aren't you the same guy that makes bold comments without reading things all the way ?

[SB49er4life]

then they got re-tried and found guilty though. They originally got let off the hook cause they had a good attorney and a dumb jury, and the DA presented a sloppy case.

the system is ugly, nut it does work some times

Oh really ? Good. They did have a good attorney, but it shouldn't matter; if you have video evidence of a crime being committed, the case should be closed then and there.

And that's the point; it should be working a lot more than just "some" times.

[Vinny]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUKVaZlJQTA

http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=6146420

[BrentJones84]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUKVaZlJQTA

http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=6146420

:yikes:

[Omnipotent]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUKVaZlJQTA

http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=6146420

I wouldn't doubt if there are more football or other high paid sports players that silently fund such illegal affairs......that's assuming Pacman had any relations to the drugs that were seized and would fall under such a category.

Pacman Jones could turn out to be the next Nate Newton.

[DraconisRex]

I'm sure you all heard about the latest news surrounding him, my question is:

Has he gone a single off season without getting in the news for something negative?

One of my friends and I each make a small wager on some season outcome/result.

Last year he bet the Cowboys 12-4 so I won. Unfortunately, I bet McNair would miss at least one start from injury and, for the first time in years, he didn't. (Curse you bye week! Curse you!)

I am seriously considering betting that Jones gets in the news for some stupid/criminal action during next year's season. The trick always comes in the exact terms of the bet. Had I said McNair wouldn't FINISH 16 starts, I'd have won. But he woudn't go that far.

Still, Jones is looking good for a win... Just got to come up with the right proposition...

[Nin£R_4_LifE]

wt a donkey, stupid A******

[BrentJones84]

More hot water for Pacman:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/03/01/bc.fbn.titans.jones.ap/index.html

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) -- Tennessee cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones is scheduled to appear in court in Georgia later this month on obstruction charges from an incident with police last year, The Tennessean reported Wednesday night.

....Jones is scheduled to appear in Superior Court in Fayetteville, Ga., on subpoenas for felony and misdemeanor obstruction of justice charges for an incident outside a home in February 2006, ...

One of our officers was involved in a traffic stop with him, and after Pacman and others ran into a home, there was a physical altercation between him and the officer, and he was involved in that. He was arrested for that," Police Chief Steve Heaton told the newspaper.

It wasn't immediately known why the charges weren't filed earlier.

....also reported that Jones was arrested and charged with marijuana possession in the same county a month later, but the charges were later dismissed.
.

[SB49er4life]

More hot water for Pacman:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/03/01/bc.fbn.titans.jones.ap/index.html

Hopefully he was on coke, heroin and ecstacy when he did that. This is actually starting to get really funny.

[BrentJones84]

Hopefully he was on coke, heroin and ecstacy when he did that. This is actually starting to get really funny.

It does raise the question of just how many times can one person be arrested without going to jail? :wacko:

[SB49er4life]

It does raise the question of just how many times can one person be arrested without going to jail? :wacko:

If the NFL doesn't work out for him, he should just make a reality show on HBO or FX, where they can just show him doin wild crap. This guys a real piece of work.

[Fez]

http://profootballtalk.com/MillionaireFisher.jpg

:falldownlaugh:

RAIN MAN BIT COP

Terry McCormick of the Nashville City Paper reports that Titans cornerback Rain Man Jones bit a police officer as part of the incident that resulted in felony obstruction charges being filed against him in early 2006.

"Adam Jones would not hold his hands together so the officer could put handcuffs on him to arrest him, and a fight ensued," said a representative of the district attorney's office in Fayette County, Georgia. "That's when he bit the officer on the thumb."

The bite caused the crime to increase from a misdemeanor to a felony.

www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

[Fez]

The New Pacman game. (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=snibbe/070302)

:laugh: