Jared Allen wants a trade

[AndyLeeMVP]

Less than two months ago, Jared Allen was poised to buy a ranch in Liberty, become the face of the Chiefs’ defense, and settle into a town he’s embraced as his own.

Now Allen wants out of Kansas City.

Allen told The Star on Saturday that he formally requested a trade when a meeting between his agent and members of the Chiefs’ front office produced no contract proposal. The Chiefs denied Allen’s request, and president/general manager Carl Peterson said the club plans to tender Allen on March 1, the deadline for teams to submit qualifying offers to restricted free agents

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/16777878.htm

Things keep getting worse and worse for the chiefs..

[Sahota]

**** id take him... the cheifs owe us for beating denver last season insuring their playoff hopes

[hanpil]

Anyone is FIT for 3-4 god. Look at the Dolphins hybrid 3-4 defense and Jason Taylor. He is considered "small" for a 3-4 end, but he does just fine.

Allen would be great for any defense. Preferrably a Niner :angel:

[Iceburnztt]

Allen is a animal I don't know who you other guys have been watching on that KC D. I'd take him all day. Trade Bryant and some other clowns plus a 2nd round for him and i'd be a very happy man.

[civilian13]

He's easily worth a 2nd rounder. Plus he'll barely be turning 25 this year

[Ace Matherton]

Chiefs defensive end Jared Allen has requested a trade after he and the team have been unable to work out a long term contract, according to the Kansas City Star. Allen, who is a restricted free agent, led the NFL with six fumble recoveries in 2006 and has produced 27 1/2 sacks in his first three years with the Chiefs. The team denied his request and intends to use a high tender on Allen to keep him and his motor in the fold for 2007.

Our View
Tendering an offer to Allen would mean that the Chiefs would essentially keep him barring a trade, as a competitor would have to surrender first and third round draft picks if the team let him sign elsewhere. It appears Allen will just have to buck up and stay in K.C., which is a great place for him to play for fantasy purposes as he has become one of the most valuable lineman in IDP leagues.
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He may want one, but he is not getting one.

[Iceburnztt]

I see a holdout in the future

[Tigger49]

Taylor is one of the best athletes in the NFL. they aren't even comparable. Taylor plays in a defense thats catered to his skills. they basically play a 3-3 and Taylor is a designated blitzer who occasionally drops into coverage.

i dont think allen has the speed or burst to be a good pass rusher in a 3-4.

While I agree that Allen wouldn't fit in San Francisco as well as he does in Kansas City's defensive scheme, stating that they aren't comparable is just ridiculous. You wrote that simply because Taylor has been around for 7 years longer, which is understandable because Allen has played only 3 season thus far. However, look at the first 3 years for Taylor against Allen's stats so far:

Taylor -
93 tackles
15.5 sacks
1 interception
5 forced fumbles
15 passes defensed

Allen -
142 tackles
27.5 sacks
1 interception
10 forced fumbles
15 passes defensed

Allen has 49 more tackles, 13 more sacks and 5 more forced fumbles than Taylor did at the same point in his career. To say they're not comparable is simply ignorant. The fact that you draw attention to the Miami defense being catered to Jason Taylor's abilities only strengthens the argument that Allen is comparable, because Jared Allen doesn't have a defense that is designed around his abilities. Maybe Allen will start to play poorly in 2007 (incredibly unlikely), or maybe he'll have a career ending injury. Regardless, he's already proven himself an elite player and definitely worthy of comparison to a future hall of famer like Taylor.

[utahman19]

While I agree that Allen wouldn't fit in San Francisco as well as he does in Kansas City's defensive scheme, stating that they aren't comparable is just ridiculous. You wrote that simply because Taylor has been around for 7 years longer, which is understandable because Allen has played only 3 season thus far. However, look at the first 3 years for Taylor against Allen's stats so far:

Taylor -
93 tackles
15.5 sacks
1 interception
5 forced fumbles
15 passes defensed

Allen -
142 tackles
27.5 sacks
1 interception
10 forced fumbles
15 passes defensed

Allen has 49 more tackles, 13 more sacks and 5 more forced fumbles than Taylor did at the same point in his career. To say they're not comparable is simply ignorant. The fact that you draw attention to the Miami defense being catered to Jason Taylor's abilities only strengthens the argument that Allen is comparable, because Jared Allen doesn't have a defense that is designed around his abilities. Maybe Allen will start to play poorly in 2007 (incredibly unlikely), or maybe he'll have a career ending injury. Regardless, he's already proven himself an elite player and definitely worthy of comparison to a future hall of famer like Taylor.

Wow... talk about ignorant. You are comparing them across their stat lines? What he said is that they are completely different types of athletes. It is completely true. Allen is not the most physically gifted athlete out there, but he is smart, strong, works hard and never stops. He is no where in the athletic zip code of Jason Taylor, who is explosive, fast, agile, strong, etc.

Allen is a good player that has excelled in the Chiefs defense which fits his skill set nearly perfectly, but would have problems translating that success over into another style of defense. He is a 4-3 defensive end. The extent of his versatility is that he can play strong end or weak end. Taylor, on the other hand, is a great player that would excel in a multitude of defensive schemes because his skill set allows him to play multiple positions out of multiple formations - strong end, weak end, inside on certain passing situations or play as a stand up OLB and drop back in coverage. He can even stand up and play some ILB.

[LOrd DRen]

Let's get Allen.

[Nevyn]

Anyone is FIT for 3-4 god. Look at the Dolphins hybrid 3-4 defense and Jason Taylor. He is considered "small" for a 3-4 end, but he does just fine.

Allen would be great for any defense. Preferrably a Niner :angel:

Um, I'm not 100%, but I believe that when the Dolphins go to 3-4, he isn't playing one of the base ends, and is in fact the extra rusher (so a DE/OLB like Adalius).

Allen is a dedicated pass rusher. I think he is a tad undersized, but is a good an young enough talent that if we had him, I'd be fine with playing more 4-3 to accomodate it. But since his game isn't solely based on speed, and he can hold the point of attack well for an end, I think he could be surprisingly effective at 3-4 end as well.

That being said, stop dreaming. Just because a guy wants a trade doesn't always mean you can get him on the cheap. Allen is mad the same way that Frank Gore would be mad at the niners if we tried to make him play out his next season without an extension. But would you accomadate a simple trade request for him? Asking for a trade is a negotiating ploy. He doesn't want to play out a season under a ridiculous tender offer when ends with half his talent make 3 times as much thanks to the franchise tag.

So you make a stink and request a trade to let your team know that you won't be hoodwinked into signing the Tender. He isn't complaining about the coach, fans or teammates. Odds are still decent that he will sign an extension. A trade probably would not happen until the draft and unless they still can't do an extension and he starts threating hold out.

If you're KC, you'd be crazy to trade him now. There are no ends on the market. He is the best player on your defense. And you won't get an offer better than a 1st and 3rd (his tender level).

What will be VERY interesting is if a playoff team (one with a late pick in those 2 rounds) decides to sign him to a poison pill style offer sheet. The Bears and Colts have pretty good DE's, but if you're the Saints it would be pretty tempting to sign him to an offer sheet and withdraw the franchise tag from Charles Grant (or trade him)

[Tigger49]

Wow... talk about ignorant. You are comparing them across their stat lines? What he said is that they are completely different types of athletes. It is completely true. Allen is not the most physically gifted athlete out there, but he is smart, strong, works hard and never stops. He is no where in the athletic zip code of Jason Taylor, who is explosive, fast, agile, strong, etc.

Allen is a good player that has excelled in the Chiefs defense which fits his skill set nearly perfectly, but would have problems translating that success over into another style of defense. He is a 4-3 defensive end. The extent of his versatility is that he can play strong end or weak end. Taylor, on the other hand, is a great player that would excel in a multitude of defensive schemes because his skill set allows him to play multiple positions out of multiple formations - strong end, weak end, inside on certain passing situations or play as a stand up OLB and drop back in coverage. He can even stand up and play some ILB.

Actually, what he wrote was...

Taylor is one of the best athletes in the NFL. they aren't even comparable.

Where exactly did you see the phrase "completely different athletes"? That is a hell of a lot of reading between the lines particularly for a 4 sentence paragraph. If that is what Knobs meant then that is what he should have written. I'm pretty sure that Knobs can speak for himself by the way.

As for ignorance, if you were paying attention then you might have noticed that I agreed that Jared Allen wouldn't do as well in a different defensive scheme. I guess it takes one to know one. And finally, hell yes I compared them by their stat lines. What else would you have me compare them by? Whether it be athleticism or smarts and work ethic, they're both trying to acheive the same goal and the stats are a measurement of their success.

[Tigger49]

???

[utahman19]

Where exactly did you see the phrase "completely different athletes"? That is a hell of a lot of reading between the lines particularly for a 4 sentence paragraph. If that is what Knobs meant then that is what he should have written. I'm pretty sure that Knobs can speak for himself by the way.

As for ignorance, if you were paying attention then you might have noticed that I agreed that Jared Allen wouldn't do as well in a different defensive scheme. I guess it takes one to know one. And finally, hell yes I compared them by their stat lines. What else would you have me compare them by? Whether it be athleticism or smarts and work ethic, they're both trying to acheive the same goal and the stats are a measurement of their success.

Original post that Knobs was responding to stated that anyone can fit the 3-4, using Jason Taylor as the example. Knobs responded by saying that they are two completely different athletes, so the comparison (saying that because Jason Taylor can play in the 3-4 even though he is small) is not valid. Athletic comparison, not production comparison. The entire premise for the post that Knobs was responding to is that they are athletically comparable. Context, context, context.

To quote a phrase attributed to Benjamin Disraeli, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, ****ed lies, and statistics." Stats are part of a measurement of success, but using stats to compare one player to another across defensive schemes.... I guess Chike Okeafor is a better pass rusher than Dwight Freeney.

[Tigger49]

Original post that Knobs was responding to stated that anyone can fit the 3-4, using Jason Taylor as the example. Knobs responded by saying that they are two completely different athletes, so the comparison (saying that because Jason Taylor can play in the 3-4 even though he is small) is not valid. Athletic comparison, not production comparison. The entire premise for the post that Knobs was responding to is that they are athletically comparable. Context, context, context.

To quote a phrase attributed to Benjamin Disraeli, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, ****ed lies, and statistics." Stats are part of a measurement of success, but using stats to compare one player to another across defensive schemes.... I guess Chike Okeafor is a better pass rusher than Dwight Freeney.

Point taken.