Article: SF Land under Santa Clara site

[MADTOWNFAITHFUL]

How Does Everyone Feel About Santaclara??

[matineematt]

I just want a new stadium in the Bay Area that will provide the team with enough revenue to compete effectively. If the Santa Clara site leads to that, I'm all for it. I'd say the same thing about Fremont, Sausilito or Dublin.

[49erfan88]

anywhere in the bay area as long as they keep the teams name the same

[acorns68]

How Does Everyone Feel About Santaclara??

I work in Santa Clara, very wealthy city. Home to the worst drivers in the bay area. Honestly, I hold my breath every time I drive through.

[AlexSmith5rings]

I work in Santa Clara, very wealthy city. Home to the worst drivers in the bay area. Honestly, I hold my breath every time I drive through.
:falldownlaugh:

[photomonkey]

I work in Santa Clara, very wealthy city. Home to the worst drivers in the bay area. Honestly, I hold my breath every time I drive through.

:falldownlaugh: As a proud resident and citizen of the Mission City, I can confirm your assertion. If one chooses to drive the El Camino Real from Santa Clara into Sunnyvale - one risks bodily injury!

However, as a city, we are ready for this new chapter and I for one am truly excited!:banana6:

[photomonkey]

I like Santa Clara because I play Soccer in the Soccer Fields next to the
49ers headquarters.



:woot:

Very nice facility! I always peek over there when I am coming or going from team HQ and turning onto Tasman.

[krueger70]

It's great that all the south bay people want the 49ers to pick up and move because it's convenient to your daily routine, but in reality moving our team to the extreme south bay isn't great for many Niner Faithful living in other cities north and east of San Francisco! (ie) Sacramento/Santa Rosa/Martinez.

Also, going from a world class city like San Francisco to the burbs creates a "Small Market" feel for this franchise. Most outside of the state of California have no idea where Santa Clara is!

[SF_49ers_Kezar]

Well I have lived in Santa Clara for many years (>30) and am pretty neutral on the new stadium proposal. I really do not see this structure being used more than 12 days a year.

The population center for the Peninsula has shifted south and the 49er mangement knows this fact.

Any new stadium is going to need significant money from PSLs for funding (just like PacBell). So more people equates to more possible PSL sales.

If San Francisco fans really want the 49ers to stay in SF, all you need is 68,000 fans to pony up $10,000 apiece. This 680M will be a good start; maybe the NFL will put in the remaining 100M.


:wink:

[Roaring Back]

It's great that all the south bay people want the 49ers to pick up and move because it's convenient to your daily routine, but in reality moving our team to the extreme south bay isn't great for many Niner Faithful living in other cities north and east of San Francisco! (ie) Sacramento/Santa Rosa/Martinez.

Also, going from a world class city like San Francisco to the burbs creates a "Small Market" feel for this franchise. Most outside of the state of California have no idea where Santa Clara is!

REP.

[sandiegojoe]

It's great that all the south bay people want the 49ers to pick up and move because it's convenient to your daily routine, but in reality moving our team to the extreme south bay isn't great for many Niner Faithful living in other cities north and east of San Francisco! (ie) Sacramento/Santa Rosa/Martinez.

Not really, that 30 mins on the freeway would probably be a big timesaver compared to the massive time already spent in traffic jams at candlestick (now imagine adding a parking structure like the city wanted! add another hour)

Santa Clara is an improvement for people to the north and south.

[krueger70]

Not really, that 30 mins on the freeway would probably be a big timesaver compared to the massive time already spent in traffic jams at candlestick (now imagine adding a parking structure like the city wanted! add another hour)

Santa Clara is an improvement for people to the north and south.Hmmmmmm, ever make the commute from Sacramento to Santa Clara?

I have made that trip....needed a flashlight and sack lunch!

[Fromthe3rdRow]

It's great that all the south bay people want the 49ers to pick up and move because it's convenient to your daily routine, but in reality moving our team to the extreme south bay isn't great for many Niner Faithful living in other cities north and east of San Francisco! (ie) Sacramento/Santa Rosa/Martinez.

Also, going from a world class city like San Francisco to the burbs creates a "Small Market" feel for this franchise. Most outside of the state of California have no idea where Santa Clara is!Are you familiar with the facts? Do you know how the geographical distribution of the teams Season Ticket holders? That information has been posted in several threads. The data was provided by the team.

Does anyone remember the phrase "The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few....." ? Just wondering.

[Fromthe3rdRow]

Well I have lived in Santa Clara for many years (>30) and am pretty neutral on the new stadium proposal. I really do not see this structure being used more than 12 days a year.

The population center for the Peninsula has shifted south and the 49er mangement knows this fact.

Any new stadium is going to need significant money from PSLs for funding (just like PacBell). So more people equates to more possible PSL sales.

If San Francisco fans really want the 49ers to stay in SF, all you need is 68,000 fans to pony up $10,000 apiece. This 680M will be a good start; maybe the NFL will put in the remaining 100M.
:wink:
For starters, the team is recommending that the city own and operate the stadium. This is logical since the team only needs the facility 10 or 12 times per year. The rest of the year, the city would be able to hold events to generate revenue for the city. (They would probably hire a management firm to do this for them.) This revenue could be used to help pay for the stadium.

As for that nasty three letter phrase - you must be new. There are some of us who are very, very much against that idea. Don't make me call on my Raider friends to testify....

[Fromthe3rdRow]

Hmmmmmm, ever make the commute from Sacramento to Santa Clara?

I have made that trip....needed a flashlight and sack lunch!Less then 10% of season ticket holders live in the Sacramento area .....

[Dynastic]

Also, going from a world class city like San Francisco to the burbs creates a "Small Market" feel for this franchise. Most outside of the state of California have no idea where Santa Clara is!

Who gives a crap? Where is Landover, Maryland? Nobody cares, but everyone still knows who the Washington Redskins are. Get over yourself.

[Niner Jan]

Also, going from a world class city like San Francisco to the burbs creates a "Small Market" feel for this franchise. Most outside of the state of California have no idea where Santa Clara is!

Less than 10% of STH live in SF. Isn't that GREAT for the city whose name is reflected in the team's name?

Maybe those clueless people "who have no idea of where Santa Clara is" should discover MAPS! :laugh:

[SF_49ers_Kezar]

For starters, the team is recommending that the city own and operate the stadium. This is logical since the team only needs the facility 10 or 12 times per year. The rest of the year, the city would be able to hold events to generate revenue for the city. (They would probably hire a management firm to do this for them.) This revenue could be used to help pay for the stadium.

As for that nasty three letter phrase - you must be new. There are some of us who are very, very much against that idea. Don't make me call on my Raider friends to testify....

Well, I apologize for using the 3 letters.

Over the next 6 months, it will be interesting to see the funding proposals.

But, it does not make any logic for the City of Santa Clara to own a stadium that holds 68,000 fans. I currently do not see Monster Park being used for any other days of the year; as for AT&T (baseball) 84 games + about 6 special events.

Besides, Santa Clara would have to compete (for special events) with the new A's stadium in Fremont and the HP Pavilion in San Jose; both within about 10 miles. So any additional revenue is suspect.

Look at the situation in SF, as the stadium ages the maintence cost is $3M a year; and SF really should be spending $6M a year. This is for a structure idle over 350 days a year.

I am not against a new stadium in the area; just not with my tax money to support billionare NFL owners and millionare NFL players. Maybe Santa Clara should ask for a percentage of the TV rights :rolleyes2: .

A larger City like SF could increase Hotel taxes or maybe Airport fees to assist with the cost of a stadium; Santa Clara does not have these means.

:wink:

[sandiegojoe]

Hmmmmmm, ever make the commute from Sacramento to Santa Clara?

I have made that trip....needed a flashlight and sack lunch!

I'd rather drive an extra 20-30 mins at 70mph, than spend that 20-30 mins in bumper to bumper traffic.

Actually for you in sacramento, it may be the same amount of time. Most of the time when I would drive from santa rosa to candlestick we drove through sf stopping at various lights and braking for homeless people.

To get to santa clara from santa rosa, I imagine it'd be faster to take the richmond bridge and head down 880. I figure you take the 5 though? Probably not a drastic increase in travel time. I checked mapquest and it showed sacramento to candlestick - 91.69 miles 1 hr 34 mins

Sacramento to great america = 113.5 miles, 1 hr 52 minutes.

Santa clara is 18 minutes longer of a drive for you dude! Guaranteed you'll get home faster leaving from santa clara than sf after the nightmare parking situation!

Food for thought.

[sats0]

krueger,
I think the trip from Sacramento to Santa Clara may actually take less time when you factor in traffic. Also, you could take the ACE train, which would drop you off within walking distance of the proposed stadium site. To check for yourself, maybe you can make the trip to one of the training camp practices that are open to the public, as the 49ers training facility is right next to the proposed site.
I remember thinking to myself what a perfect spot that would be for a new stadium when I saw the train tracks right next to the field and the light rail on the street perpendicular to it.
I think the only fans that will have a real difficulty getting to the stadium will be those in the North Bay, unless there is a ferry of some sort to Alviso?


Hmmmmmm, ever make the commute from Sacramento to Santa Clara?

I have made that trip....needed a flashlight and sack lunch!

[sandiegojoe]

I think the only fans that will have a real difficulty getting to the stadium will be those in the North Bay, unless there is a ferry of some sort to Alviso?

you could take a jet ski

[9er Empire]

Well it could be worse, atleast we dont play in another state and share the same stadium with another team :cop:

[BrielleSF]

krueger,
I think the trip from Sacramento to Santa Clara may actually take less time when you factor in traffic. Also, you could take the ACE train, which would drop you off within walking distance of the proposed stadium site. To check for yourself, maybe you can make the trip to one of the training camp practices that are open to the public, as the 49ers training facility is right next to the proposed site.
I remember thinking to myself what a perfect spot that would be for a new stadium when I saw the train tracks right next to the field and the light rail on the street perpendicular to it.
I think the only fans that will have a real difficulty getting to the stadium will be those in the North Bay, unless there is a ferry of some sort to Alviso?
How do you figure that a location 30 miles south of where the current stadium is will take less time? It doesn't matter if you take the 5, the 80 or the 101, you still have to sit on those freeways unless you take the ACE train. I don't understand how any of you can be discounting the huge traffic factor here. The south bay traffic is constantly clogged! It used to take me 1-2 hours to get from Oakland to Los Gatos during commute times (49 mile distance). It also takes me about 45 minutes to 1 hour to get from San Francisco to Stanford in Palo Alto on the 280 which flows way better than the 101. And before you comment about speed, I don't drive slow! The 80 is a nightmare. The 880 is worse. The 101 sucks. The only freeway that is semi tolerable is the 280 and that jams up by the time you hit the 87 interchange. Where is this free flowing taffic everyone is talking about in Santa Clara, because I sure don't see in it!

Also I agree with the posters that state when you have 68,000 people trying to leave a venue at one time there is bound to be some traffic. Ever attend a concert at Shoreline? That is north of the proposed site and that is an absolute nightmare to get in and out of...

[Fromthe3rdRow]

How do you figure that a location 30 miles south of where the current stadium is will take less time? It doesn't matter if you take the 5, the 80 or the 101, you still have to sit on those freeways unless you take the ACE train. I don't understand how any of you can be discounting the huge traffic factor here. The south bay traffic is constantly clogged! It used to take me 1-2 hours to get from Oakland to Los Gatos during commute times (49 mile distance). It also takes me about 45 minutes to 1 hour to get from San Francisco to Stanford in Palo Alto on the 280 which flows way better than the 101. And before you comment about speed, I don't drive slow! The 80 is a nightmare. The 880 is worse. The 101 sucks. The only freeway that is semi tolerable is the 280 and that jams up by the time you hit the 87 interchange. Where is this free flowing traffic everyone is talking about in Santa Clara, because I sure don't see in it!
Now, now Briellle. Your attempt at spreading bad information is getting to be a bit transparent. You can not compare traffic on 101, 880 or 237 during COMMUTE HOURS with the level of traffic which is seen on GAMEDAY. I happen to live in the immediate area and I can assure you, despite what people think about Silicon Valley Tech Workers who put in 80-90 hours a week - the roadways near this site on Sunday's are practically deserted. The same can be said for all of the nearby freeways. Trying to compare Sunday traffic to weekday commute traffic is flat out wrong.

[Fromthe3rdRow]

Well, I apologize for using the 3 letters.

Over the next 6 months, it will be interesting to see the funding proposals.

But, it does not make any logic for the City of Santa Clara to own a stadium that holds 68,000 fans. I currently do not see Monster Park being used for any other days of the year; as for AT&T (baseball) 84 games + about 6 special events.

Besides, Santa Clara would have to compete (for special events) with the new A's stadium in Fremont and the HP Pavilion in San Jose; both within about 10 miles. So any additional revenue is suspect.

Look at the situation in SF, as the stadium ages the maintence cost is $3M a year; and SF really should be spending $6M a year. This is for a structure idle over 350 days a year.

I am not against a new stadium in the area; just not with my tax money to support billionare NFL owners and millionare NFL players. Maybe Santa Clara should ask for a percentage of the TV rights :rolleyes2: .

A larger City like SF could increase Hotel taxes or maybe Airport fees to assist with the cost of a stadium; Santa Clara does not have these means.

:wink:Thanks. None of us who pay for tickets want to discuss or even entertain the possibility of the team using those three letters. That route leads to madness. Just look across the bay for example.

If you are a resident of Santa Clara, I highly recommend you read up on this issue. Both the city and the team have agreed to find solutions which will not increase city taxes nor hurt the city's general fund.

You do provide good suggestions for potential revenue. Hotel taxes and airport fees should have little or no impact on city residents. However, I do not understand your suggestion that SC is too small. Do realize Santa Clara sits smack dab in the middle of the largest metropolitan area in the entire San Francisco bay area, (Latest population figures - SF has about 900,000 residents. The South Bay has nearly 2 million.....) Your assertion that they are too small sort of baffles me. Unless you are a long time SF city resident who still thinks Silicon Valley is covered with fruit orchards and populated by uncivilized hicks....

[ninerjeff]

How Does Everyone Feel About Santaclara??


as long as we remain the SAN FRANCISCO 49ers i'm all for it:smile:

[sandiegojoe]

How do you figure that a location 30 miles south of where the current stadium is will take less time?

Santa clara is 22 miles farther than candlestick from Sacramento.

it eliminates the bay bridge connection which still backs up on weekends and costs a few bucks as well. And it seems imposible that a new stadium at santa clara would have the severe traffic backups after games, since there are more freeway entrances, and wider roads in that location.

Therefore.. Santa Clara = faster trip than candlestick from sacramento or santa rosa(in which case you could take the richmond bridge to avoid downtown traffic)

This argument would also apply to the hunters point location as well.

[ethanh]

Santa clara is 22 miles farther than candlestick from Sacramento.

it eliminates the bay bridge connection which still backs up on weekends and costs a few bucks as well. And it seems imposible that a new stadium at santa clara would have the severe traffic backups after games, since there are more freeway entrances, and wider roads in that location.

Therefore.. Santa Clara = faster trip than candlestick from sacramento or santa rosa(in which case you could take the richmond bridge to avoid downtown traffic)

This argument would also apply to the hunters point location as well.

I will go along with the fact that going south after a game takes a while (especially when you get there late and are in the dirt lot) but don't say that going to Sacramento or even worse Santa Rose will be faster from Santa Clara. That is flat out wrong, do a map quest from each location then add the traffic time from the game. Assuming there will be zero traffic at the new site it will still take longer.

From where I park at the stick, section u, leaving right after the game to my place in SF it take 20 minutes, max. Great America to SF with no traffic 45 minutes. Hunters point will be even quicker.

[matineematt]

No matter where the new stadium ends up some people will have shorter commutes, some people will have longer commutes and some people will have similar commutes. The bottom line for me is getting a representative stadium in the Bay Area that will generate enough revenue for the team to stay competitive. Right now, the best bet looks like Santa Clara. We'll see what comes of that study in six months.

[sandiegojoe]

I will go along with the fact that going south after a game takes a while (especially when you get there late and are in the dirt lot) but don't say that going to Sacramento or even worse Santa Rose will be faster from Santa Clara. That is flat out wrong, do a map quest from each location then add the traffic time from the game. Assuming there will be zero traffic at the new site it will still take longer. .

I'm not just talking about freeway traffic. Of course the extra 18 miles would take longer. I'm adding in the time it takes just to GET to the freeway from the parking lot at candlestick. Now you may have the perfect parking spot to get out of there quick... but most people I know are stuck in the lot for nearly an hour after a game. There may be a few places to park that are better for escaping, and if you know where they are and can get em.. more power to you... but most of the parking spots don't have that luxury. Most people get stuck, and it can be a nightmare to get out. I'm sure it will take some time to get to the freeway from the santa clara parking lots, but I doubt it will be as long as candlestick (or hunter's point- due to the bottleneck nature of that area)

The new candlestick park plan called for "the world's largest parking garage" according to York. Imagine how much THAT would suck!

I'm just talking from the minute the game ends to the minute you walk in your front door. Santa Clara should be faster for most people than either candlestick or hunters point due to the parking situations/accessibility.

[sandiegojoe]

Food for thought: Could the santa clara site cut down on drunk driving after games?

Imagine being pretty buzzed after a niner game. At santa clara you could go to great america after a game and ride roller coasters, walk to a restaurant to eat, book a hotel within walking distance, or take light rail back to your home.

At candlestick or hunters point your options are to sleep in your car, or go for a walk and try not to get mugged.

Santa Clara wins again.

[SF_49ers_Kezar]

Thanks. None of us who pay for tickets want to discuss or even entertain the possibility of the team using those three letters. That route leads to madness. Just look across the bay for example.

If you are a resident of Santa Clara, I highly recommend you read up on this issue. Both the city and the team have agreed to find solutions which will not increase city taxes nor hurt the city's general fund.

You do provide good suggestions for potential revenue. Hotel taxes and airport fees should have little or no impact on city residents. However, I do not understand your suggestion that SC is too small. Do realize Santa Clara sits smack dab in the middle of the largest metropolitan area in the entire San Francisco bay area, (Latest population figures - SF has about 900,000 residents. The South Bay has nearly 2 million.....) Your assertion that they are too small sort of baffles me. Unless you are a long time SF city resident who still thinks Silicon Valley is covered with fruit orchards and populated by uncivilized hicks....

As for small, I was just stating the fact that the City of Santa Clara only has about 100,000 citizens; the City has limited resources to tax within the realms of its borders .... thus limited revenues for a stadium. I really would be surprised with any regional city governmental cooperation from neighbors like San Jose, Sunnyvale, or Mountain View. San Jose will rightly view this is competion to the HP Pivilion.

Major Corporations will need to be the largest funding contributors; just like Cisco is for the Fremont A's proposal. Maybe a few dollars tax on every ticket.

But think about a Monday Night game in the middle of Silicon Valley; 5pm traffic and the suggestion being floated of tailgating in nearby company parking lots:falldownlaugh: !!
Fans will wish they were back in a flooded Monster Park lot.

:wink:

[sandiegojoe]

But think about a Monday Night game in the middle of Silicon Valley; 5pm traffic and the suggestion being floated of tailgating in nearby company parking lots:falldownlaugh: !!
Fans will wish they were back in a flooded Monster Park lot.

:wink:

true, that will suck bigtime. And you know the NFL will want to showcase the new stadium. Ya just gotta get there early.

Sunday night games though? Perfect! Go to great america all day, then head over to the parking lot for tailgating, crash at a hotel afterwards. (you can get those hotels CHEAP on hotwire) I'd be all over that.

[ethanh]

Food for thought: Could the santa clara site cut down on drunk driving after games?

Imagine being pretty buzzed after a niner game. At santa clara you could go to great america after a game and ride roller coasters, walk to a restaurant to eat, book a hotel within walking distance, or take light rail back to your home.

At candlestick or hunters point your options are to sleep in your car, or go for a walk and try not to get mugged.

Santa Clara wins again.
I am down with that, after going to New Orleans this year I was impressed how half the stadium (other half got in traffic) went to the quarter and partied into the night. I do not know what it is like after a loss but it really had me wishing we had that in SF.
Of course that was what the SF Olympic proposal was at first, with bars and resturants and hotels and parks around the stadium. The pic of the design really did look awesome but everyone got hung up on the parking garage. As if the 10,000 fans who would have parked there really wanted to tailgate. The remaining 20,000 spots were in a park. I know that issue is dead so I will leave you with, York pissed me off for killing that plan. I still do not believe it was worth killing and I do not trust his reasons for stopping candlestick plan.

[SF_49ers_Kezar]

true, that will suck bigtime. And you know the NFL will want to showcase the new stadium. Ya just gotta get there early.

Sunday night games though? Perfect! Go to great america all day, then head over to the parking lot for tailgating, crash at a hotel afterwards. (you can get those hotels CHEAP on hotwire) I'd be all over that.


Yes the four Hotels nearby the proposed site are very convienent. Great America usually closes prior to the end of October; rain and rides do not mix well toghther ... also there were gang fights when the park was open on Halloweens. I'm sure these Hotels would be very happy to see the 49ers nearby; this would help their receipts during the presently slow months of November & December. They do get business if the Santa Clara Convention Center is booked for a major event.

:wink:

[Fromthe3rdRow]

As for small, I was just stating the fact that the City of Santa Clara only has about 100,000 citizens; the City has limited resources to tax within the realms of its borders .... thus limited revenues for a stadium. I really would be surprised with any regional city governmental cooperation from neighbors like San Jose, Sunnyvale, or Mountain View. San Jose will rightly view this is competion to the HP Pivilion....

Uhm, perhaps you were not aware that an official from the San Jose Sports Authority spoke before the Santa Clara city council when the team presented it's proposal. He was very much in favor of a stadium in Santa Clara. He stated the presence of a stadium would enhance their ability to book additional large scale sporting events which are just not possible to hold inside of an arena....

Since the stadium would benefit the ENTIRE southbay - I would be surprised if there was NOT some level of cooperation between local municipalities.....

[photomonkey]

Uhm, perhaps you were not aware that an official from the San Jose Sports Authority spoke before the Santa Clara city council when the team presented it's proposal. He was very much in favor of a stadium in Santa Clara. He stated the presence of a stadium would enhance their ability to book additional large scale sporting events which are just not possible to hold inside of an arena....

Since the stadium would benefit the ENTIRE southbay - I would be surprised if there was NOT some level of cooperation between local municipalities.....

Indeed! The notion that San Jose would be concerned about the stadium as competition for the HP Pavilion is probably baseless considering the two venues will be markedly different in nearly every respect. In fact, the "Tank" contends with genuine competition from Shoreline Amphitheatre and a potential amphitheatre that has been mentioned in the plan for the 49ers' new stadium.

[BrielleSF]

Now, now Briellle. Your attempt at spreading bad information is getting to be a bit transparent. You can not compare traffic on 101, 880 or 237 during COMMUTE HOURS with the level of traffic which is seen on GAMEDAY. I happen to live in the immediate area and I can assure you, despite what people think about Silicon Valley Tech Workers who put in 80-90 hours a week - the roadways near this site on Sunday's are practically deserted. The same can be said for all of the nearby freeways. Trying to compare Sunday traffic to weekday commute traffic is flat out wrong.
Fromthe3rdrow, It is not my intention to spread 'bad information', or to mislead anyone. I have stated in other posts that I am happy to be corrected if I am wrong. You have corrected me yourself and I did not argue back, because I realized I was misinformed. The statement 'Your attempt at spreading bad information is getting to be a bit transparent.' is taking my post a bit far. I will clarify that I was not intending to state that traffic on the weekends is THE SAME as it is during the weekdays. To show I am making a good faith concession, I take back my comment that the south bay traffic is constantly clogged. There are you happy?

Of course it's not the same. However, just because it may be lighter does not mean that it does not exist at all. I am simply stating MY EXPERINCE with traffic communting to the South Bay from the Central Bay during all times during the week AND WEEKENDS. As the team gets better there will be night games DURING THE WEEK. Trying to make a Monday night or Thursday night game during rush hour traffic is bad enough when you have to get to the central bay. Add another 30 miles and you have some serious commute problems. People who work in the central bay will have to leave work at 3pm or earlier to get to the game in time, and for north bay residents....forget it. Take the day off!

As for the Sunday games, I am happy to hear that Sunday traffic is not the same. I'll defer to your 'expertise' since you live close. However I have been down there on the weekends and have still sat in traffic. Even with absolutely no traffic at all it is still is an extra 45 minutes to an hour past Candlestick heading south. Again, this also does not account for what will happen to the freeways when 60,000+ people try to leave at once.

If you look at my original post I was commenting on the statement that it would be quicker for people to get to Santa Clara from Sacramento than to get to the Stick. I was disgreeing with that comment, and I still disagree, weekend or weekday.

[Niner Jan]

(Brielle) As the team gets better there will be night games DURING THE WEEK. Trying to make a Monday night or Thursday night game during rush hour traffic is bad enough when you have to get to the Central Bay. Add another 30 miles and you have some serious commute problems. People who work in the central bay will have to leave work at 3pm or earlier to get to the game in time, and for North Nay residents!

As it is now, fans going to a game at Candlestick on a rare week DAY have to take half a day off because it takes almost 2 hours to sit in traffic getting into the park grounds, since there is only one route in (or out). And that's not counting tailgating!

As for the Sunday games, I am happy to hear that Sunday traffic is not the same. However I have been down there on the weekends and have still sat in traffic. Even with absolutely no traffic at all, it is still is an extra 45 minutes to an hour past Candlestick heading south.

Yes, but then you will have several different routes to escape or enter the new stadium site--and not just 101! When you fan out the escape hatches, you cut down on the bottleneck.

From Sunnyvale, it takes less than an hour (not during rush hour) to drive into the City of SF (the heart of the City with all its hills and stoplights every corner--NOT the edge of the Bay where Candlestick Point is). So, I think you are miscalculating the amount of time it would take to reach the new stadium (if it is in the South Bay).

[Niner Jan]

Those who are talking about night games are dreaming big dreams! I have not looked at the 2007 season schedule. How many night games are there in 2007?

Are we creating non-existent battles prematurely? If the egress from the new stadium has several escape hatches, it STILL will take a lot less time than exiting from current Candlestick Point. That just stands to reason.

If you have only one access route, you have a bottleneck (and sit in traffic waiting); the more you fan out those routes, the quicker the emptying process will be.

[Roaring Back]

Interesting letter to the Sporting Green today suggesting the 49ers and Raiders share the spot where the Raiders currently are since the A's are moving to Fremont. Heck, the Giants and Jets do it, and since everybody seems to use them as examples of why the Santa Clara move will work, why not pursue a more central Bay Area location like the coliseum site, if something cannot be worked out in SF?

"Two for one

Editor -- With the A's moving to Fremont, has anyone considered the possibility of the 49ers sharing, with the Raiders, a rebuilt, strictly-for-football Oakland Stadium? The New York Jets and Giants have shared a stadium for years, so the NFL clearly can make the scheduling work. And the Raiders might be willing to go along with this idea in return for getting a vastly improved facility. For probably a lower cost than the Santa Clara proposal, this could create one great stadium in the center of the Bay Area, with BART access for all, rather than two lesser stadiums."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2007/01/21/SPG6JNM71G1.DTL

[Peter Proud]

Why move from one stadium in 'da hood' to another stadium in 'da hood'?:nonono:

[Sweets]

We share our old players with the Faiders, we don't need to share a stinkin stadium too:nonono:

[Sweets]

I don't see the gripe about traffic for night games anyway, SF is a lot more congested traffic wise then the South Bay and what difference does it really matter if you're sitting in traffic in Santa Clara or South SF, with 50,000 to 60,000 people coming to the game no matter where you are you're going to sit in traffic.

And the traffic isn't bad from Sacto to Santa Clara during the weekend because you'd want to be there before 12:00pm or so anyway and the traffic coming home from Sacto area doesn't get bad until late afternoon.

[Donut!]

Closer commute for me - I for one hope Santa Clara pulls through.

[Fromthe3rdRow]

Interesting letter to the Sporting Green today...

Hmmm. Perhaps you found it interesting.

I on the other hand see it as evidence that recreational drug use in Belmont appears to be increasing .....



Raiders and Niners in one stadium. I, doubt it...

[Fromthe3rdRow]

I don't see the gripe about traffic for night games anyway, SF is a lot more congested traffic wise then the South Bay and what difference does it really matter if you're sitting in traffic in Santa Clara or South SF, with 50,000 to 60,000 people coming to the game no matter where you are you're going to sit in traffic.

And the traffic isn't bad from Sacto to Santa Clara during the weekend because you'd want to be there before 12:00pm or so anyway and the traffic coming home from Sacto area doesn't get bad until late afternoon.

Could not agree with you more Sweets. Seems to me some of the traffic complaints are either flat out wrong or totally invented. If I did not know better, I'd think some of these posters are actually employed by the SF stadium developer who are doing their best to bring negative light to the SC proposal...

Yeah - we know it's going to take SF fans longer to drive down to the South Bay than it did for them to drive to Candlestick. Sheesh. Nobody is trying to argue that. But why do we constantly have to remind them that only 9% of Season Ticket holders live in SF. The vast majority live south of San Fran and it is a shorter drive for the rest of us.

Has everyone forgotten their Startrek history? What ever happened to "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"?

[9erMan]

As a season ticket holder who lives in the Sacramento area and has lived in the Bay Area for years, perhaps I can help put a better perspective on the comparison between the commute too and from Candlestick with the commute too and from the possible Santa Clara site. I make both trips regularly, often and at myriad timelines.

As most season ticket holders know, the commute to a game is never as bad as the commute from a game because the timelines in which people choose to arrive at the park vary depending upon their interests and activities whereas the timelines for people leaving the park tend to be much more common. In other words, the commute to the park is almost always less congested than the commute from the park. For this reason I will confine my remarks to comparing the commute back to the Sacramento area after a game at Candlestick with the commute back to the Sacramento area after a similar event in Santa Clara.

There will be a certain amount of bumper-to-bumper traffic no matter where the stadium is built. As someone already mentioned here, it can take an hour or more just to get out of the Candlestick parking lot and onto a major freeway. As someone else mentioned here though, it can take similar times to get out of the Shoreline Amphitheater parking lot and onto a major freeway as well. Here is where I see the biggest difference.

Heading home frome Candlestick, once I get onto the 101 freeway and start heading towards the Bay Bridge, traffic opens up for a short burst and then it suddenly comes to a near dead stop just before the 280 interchange. From this point to the point I reach the Bay Bridge takes another hour. That means it takes me around 2 hours to drive about 8 miles after every game at Candlestick.

If I go the only other way out and drive south to hwy 92 through Palo Alto and across the bridge into Hayward, I have avoided San Francisco but I will have spent more time going 50 miles around the bay and wading through the same kind of traffic, albeit less congested.

Contrasting that with a commute home from the possible Santa Clara site, I am within 5 to 8 miles of several major highways and freeways. If it takes me an hour to drive those 5 to 8 miles I wouldn’t be too surprised. Once I hit one of those major freeways though, I don’t have to spend that extra hour going through the City of SF. I will probably have a few slow downs here and there but for the most part I’ll be doing well above the speed limit the rest of the way home if I so choose. If it turns out one route out of the Santa Clara site is a little slower than I had hoped it would be, I can take several other routes out of there without going way out of my way.

I currently pay tolls traveling both ways to and from Candlestick. I can go to and from Santa Clara without paying a single toll and it really isn’t that big a difference in distance or time.

In a nut shell here is my take on how the Santa Clara location will change my commute to and from the games:
I leave at about 5:30 am when I’m heading to a game at Candlestick. It takes me 1:20 hours to get there. There is no traffic that early in the morning and my reasons for driving at that time will be obvious to those that want to know why I do it. My trip home from Candlestick after a game takes about 4:00 hours. I expect my trip to the possible Santa Clara site will take about 1:40 hours but I expect my trip home will take less than 3 hours.

If I can knock an hour off my commute time heading home and have a state of the art stadium at the same time, as a Sacramento area STH, I’m all for the new stadium being built in Santa Clara.

[FODY]

Contrasting that with a commute home from the possible Santa Clara site, I am within 5 to 8 miles of several major highways and freeways. If it takes me an hour to drive those 5 to 8 miles I wouldn’t be too surprised.
Well, for comparison's sake, 4th of July crowds at Great America in the late '90s averaged around 25-30,000 people who almost all left at the same time following the fireworks show at the end of the night. Traffic to get out of the parking lots and onto the freeways was about 30-45 min.
Once I hit one of those major freeways though, I don’t have to spend that extra hour going through the City of SF. I will probably have a few slow downs here and there but for the most part I’ll be doing well above the speed limit the rest of the way home if I so choose. If it turns out one route out of the Santa Clara site is a little slower than I had hoped it would be, I can take several other routes out of there without going way out of my way.
Well put. 237 is a nightmare. 101 is free-flowing. Surface streets to 880 will probably be pretty open. Bennigan's is a nice place to wait it out. At least there's a few options. :doubleup:

[Sweets]

Thanx 9erman, as I said traffic sucks worse in the City...

[val49erfan]

How do you get back and forth to Santa Clara with no toll? Don't you take 680? (Looking for a better way!!)

[Sweets]

There's no toll booth on 680 until after Pleasanton, so you can take 580 and by pass them, by taking either 5 or 99 into Sactown

[ethanh]

Heading home frome Candlestick, once I get onto the 101 freeway and start heading towards the Bay Bridge, traffic opens up for a short burst and then it suddenly comes to a near dead stop just before the 280 interchange. From this point to the point I reach the Bay Bridge takes another hour. That means it takes me around 2 hours to drive about 8 miles after every game at Candlestick.

Consider this a gift for the the next five years. Leave the stick from the Paul St exit and take a right north on Kieth ST from the stick. Go over the the HP hill take a left at the bottom of the hill and right onto third steet. Take a left onto Ceasar Chaves then your next right and get onto 280 North. Take the 6th street exit and then take a right on Bryant and onto the 101 over the bridge.

Once you get onto Kieth which is two blocks away from the stadium it will not take you more than a half hour to the bridge. :)

[krueger70]

I don't see the gripe about traffic for night games anyway, SF is a lot more congested traffic wise then the South Bay and what difference does it really matter if you're sitting in traffic in Santa Clara or South SF, with 50,000 to 60,000 people coming to the game no matter where you are you're going to sit in traffic.

And the traffic isn't bad from Sacto to Santa Clara during the weekend because you'd want to be there before 12:00pm or so anyway and the traffic coming home from Sacto area doesn't get bad until late afternoon.As someone who has lived in Sacramento, adding more miles to an already healthy commute would make a difference!

[Sweets]

Krug, I hear ya but unless they play in Sacto you will always have a commute and the major of the people coming to the games live in the Bay Area, but you pay a price for entertainment and its better then having them move to SoCal, right?

[BLloydfan85]

anywhere in the bay area as long as they keep the teams name the same

yea totally agreed. i just dont want our name being changed. it would kill the franchise

[Fromthe3rdRow]

yea totally agreed. i just dont want our name being changed. it would kill the franchise
You're in luck. The team has repeatedly stated there are no plans to change the team name. The name is a trademark. The team owns the rights to the trademark. It would be a very expensive proposition to force them to change it....

[Niner Jan]

(SF-49ers-Kezar)A larger City like SF could increase hotel taxes or maybe airport fees to assist with the cost of a stadium; Santa Clara does not have these means.

I suppose it doesn't occur to you that Santa Clara has many hotels in the immediate vicinity to the site being suggested for the new 49ers stadium.

Or that San Jose Airport is about as close as San Francisco Airport.

What SF can do, other Bay Area cities can do in similar situations...

I don't really think that SF is that large; San Jose is more densely populated thatn SF, I think. I could be wrong, but SJ is a large landmass than SF, and is growing by leaps and bounds.

[Niner Jan]

I think the only fans that will have a real difficulty getting to the stadium will be those in the North Bay, unless there is a ferry of some sort to Alviso?

You're kidding, right? Alviso is next to Milpitas (Hwy 237/Hwy 880) and Gold Street cuts through to Alviso from 237. I have a friend who lives in that area, so I know from first hand experience. (Gold Street is close to Great American Pkway which crosses 237.)

People sure like to create more problems than actually exist.

Any current fans who go to the games know how long they have to sit in traffic because it is a one-road access in and out of Candlestick Point. ANY place with more roads accessing it have GOT to be quicker access-wise.

Question: Is ACE the train called CORRIDOR EXPRESS from the Sacramento area?

[Niner Jan]

ETHAN:

From where I park at the stick, section u, leaving right after the game to my place in SF it take 20 minutes, max. Great America to SF with no traffic 45 minutes.

Well, of course, if you live in SF, it's going to be closer to commute from Monster Park to your house. That stands to reason! You don't have to be a genius to see that! :gunshoot: :mouthclosed:

That's no argument...except for YOU who live nearby. :shades:

[Niner Jan]

9erMan,

Thank you for your substantial backup of your opinion in facts, as you have experienced them in commuting. That is perhaps the BEST post on this thread. I repped you for your thoroughness!

Niner Mom :ok:

[AlexSmith5rings]

I don't really think that SF is that large; San Jose is more densely populated thatn SF, I think. I could be wrong,

san francisco is much more densely populated then san jose.. san jose has a higher population but SF is all crammed together, i believe the second most population per sq mile behind new york.

[AlexSmith5rings]

i read somewhere that the superbowl parade would still be in san francisco. that is good news :doubleup:

[matineematt]

I think we're getting a bit ahead of ourselves planning Super Bowl Parades. That said, why not have one down Market St. in the morning and then another down Tasman or Great America Parkway in the afternoon? When the Angels won the World Series they had a parade through Anaheim and then another one down Main St. in Disneyland. There's never too much celebrating when a team wins the big one!

[AlexSmith5rings]

I think we're getting a bit ahead of ourselves planning Super Bowl Parades.

the stadium won't be completed till 2012 i think we're getting a bit ahead of ourselves discussing it. :rolleyes2:

[SF_49ers_Kezar]

I suppose it doesn't occur to you that Santa Clara has many hotels in the immediate vicinity to the site being suggested for the new 49ers stadium.

Or that San Jose Airport is about as close as San Francisco Airport.

What SF can do, other Bay Area cities can do in similar situations...

I don't really think that SF is that large; San Jose is more densely populated thatn SF, I think. I could be wrong, but SJ is a large landmass than SF, and is growing by leaps and bounds.

Hi Niner Jan,

The City of Santa Clara, itself is small. The City of Santa Clara cannot levy taxes on tickets for flights in/out of the San Jose airport. The City of Santa Clara has about 2,000 hotel rooms around the proposed site. The City of SF has over 32,000 hotel rooms to tax; again the City of SC can not tax hotels in SJ, Sunnyvale, or Mountain View. I will be very surpised if any City in the vicinity of Santa Clara is willing to raise taxes to funnel into a Santa Clara stadium.

SF is both a City & a County with a large base of tourism that can be taxed.

There is no doubt that the South Bay has a larger population then SF. (San Jose by itself has more people than SF). But I do not see any regional South Bay effort for a Santa Clara stadium; maybe one will emerge? The City of Santa Clara in isolation would need significant corporate funding assitance.

:wink:

[ethanh]

Turns out a pipe that runs through the parking lot of the stadium is owned by SF. They may not want the team to move over it. Legal issues?
Article

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/02/26/MNG8FOB6S41.DTL


Check the graphic of the stadium proposal in Santa Clara. I thought we did not want an SF location because of the parking structure. Why is there one in Santa Clara also?

[Roaring Back]

Month to month eh? Santa Clara's got a problem.. ...as usual.

[Eng74]

Turns out a pipe that runs through the parking lot of the stadium is owned by SF. They may not want the team to move over it. Legal issues?
Article

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/02/26/MNG8FOB6S41.DTL


Check the graphic of the stadium proposal in Santa Clara. I thought we did not want an SF location because of the parking structure. Why is there one in Santa Clara also?

That is for the Great America Park not for the stadium. When I talked with someone from the 49ers last season they said the parking structure that the 49ers would have to build for the Stick would be bigger than one they built at Disneyland. That one is the size of two aircraft carriers side by side and six or seven levels.

[noid49er]

Check the graphic of the stadium proposal in Santa Clara. I thought we did not want an SF location because of the parking structure. Why is there one in Santa Clara also?



But i think they didnt want one at the Stick becuase of the tailgating. But i believe the picture shows an area where fans can still tailgate and not have to park in the garage.

[AlexSmith5rings]

looks like all those santa clara meetings were for nothing. :fishing:

[Tovey21]

looks like all those santa clara meetings were for nothing. :fishing:

I said they were a waste of time. :falldownlaugh:

[AlexSmith5rings]

I said they were a waste of time. :falldownlaugh:

i cant wait for ninerjan or fromthe3rdrow to attack us.

[yayareafanatic]

If there's a pipe under the lot, then the Niners WILL be able to take the name San Francisco with them, when they move to a better location in Santa Clara that will actually allow for tailgating.

[Tovey21]

i cant wait for ninerjan or fromthe3rdrow to attack us.


Especially him.

[sandiegojoe]

It's a water pipe that was gonna be dug up and replaced anyway. Not a big deal.

In fact the PUC is lucky, becuase York will probably fund some of the pipeline renovation process in that area just to speed things up. I suppose the issue remains that if the pipe is moved out of the way (most likely under a parking area) the city would still own the easement. Those sorts of things could be worked out in court though and I can't picture a judge telling the niners they can't buld a parking lot over a water line if they're willing to pay for the relocation.

IMO the City screwed up by letting the PUC state that they were already planning a relocation. At least if they hadn't mentioned that they could have argued that it was a disruption. Now the Yorks will be doing them a favor.

[AlexSmith5rings]

If there's a pipe under the lot, then the Niners WILL be able to take the name San Francisco with them, when they move to a better location in Santa Clara that will actually allow for tailgating.

or san francisco could shut down the water supply to the stadium, bathroom in buckets?

[ethanh]

That is for the Great America Park not for the stadium. When I talked with someone from the 49ers last season they said the parking structure that the 49ers would have to build for the Stick would be bigger than one they built at Disneyland. That one is the size of two aircraft carriers side by side and six or seven levels.

The structure in the picture looks 2/3 the stadium. Just wondering how York can say he did not want a deal in SF because of a parking structure and now there is one here. We are splitting hairs about size an levels arent we? The fact remains that both sites offer to people who come early tailgating out in the open and people who come late parking in a structure. That would make York's case for moving...

[Fromthe3rdRow]

i cant wait for ninerjan or fromthe3rdrow to attack us.

Especially him.
Bah, hah, ha. ha.

BOOO!

Did I scare you?

C'mon now. If you're postingh false information which may confuse the fans - you can bet I will say something.

If you're posting ridiculous information that no one believes - than my comments are not necessary. I'm just glad Matinee Matt is keeping an eye on things in here.

Keep it up Matt! Good job!

[Fromthe3rdRow]

The structure in the picture looks 2/3 the stadium. Just wondering how York can say he did not want a deal in SF because of a parking structure and now there is one here. We are splitting hairs about size an levels arent we? The fact remains that both sites offer to people who come early tailgating out in the open and people who come late parking in a structure. That would make York's case for moving...
As I understand it, the parking structure is intended to replace the parking spaces for the amusement park which will be taken up by the stadium. The design is intended to ensure Great America's customers are not inconvenienced.

As for tailgating, I believe there are many, many more spaces available at the Santa Clara, as well as the neighboring areas which will ensure there is enough room for everyone to tailgate - without putting us on top of a parking structure three times larger than the one built for SFO.

Besides - SF's failure came down to a whole lot more than just the Parking structure. Your attempt to minimize their failure by focusing soley on parking just doesn't add up.

[ethanh]

Besides - SF's failure came down to a whole lot more than just the Parking structure. Your attempt to minimize their failure by focusing soley on parking just doesn't add up.

I agree, although lets see how clean the Santa Clara proposal looks after a few more months. It's already is starting to smell.

[LOS41510]

or san francisco could shut down the water supply to the stadium, bathroom in buckets?

lol

San diego joe u obvoisly aint thinking man.. this pipeline connnects to not only the stadium but also 24 million residents that needs the water for there basic neccisitys . now unless u want to come in the stadium stanking like what.. be my quest but im pretty sure ure going to need aquafresh..

LOS

YEEE!!

[Kezar Niner]

lol

San diego joe u obvoisly aint thinking man.. this pipeline connnects to not only the stadium but also 24 million residents that needs the water for there basic neccisitys . now unless u want to come in the stadium stanking like what.. be my quest but im pretty sure ure going to need aquafresh..

LOS

YEEE!!

wow, where did you get that number? lol

[Eric 80]

If you've never seen it, the one at Disneyland is GI-NORMOUS!! By the time you get from your car to the tram, you're ready to go home.

It is the worlds largest parking structure.

[sandiegojoe]

lol

San diego joe u obvoisly aint thinking man.. this pipeline connnects to not only the stadium but also 24 million residents that needs the water for there basic neccisitys . now unless u want to come in the stadium stanking like what.. be my quest but im pretty sure ure going to need aquafresh..

LOS

YEEE!!

I'm not sure I was able to understand your entire post with all the typos... but I think I got the gist.

Stanking?

It's not a sewer pipe dude, it's fresh water. And why would it connect to the stadium? That makes no sense. The stadium water would come from the local municipality after going through treatment, not from a major pipeline.

The stadium isn't dependent on san francisco's pipeline for fresh water or sewage disposal.

[MarcusCA420]

i cant wait for ninerjan or fromthe3rdrow to attack us.:dancin:


SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
....were there even any Forty niners in Santa Clara?:ninercaphell:

[MarcusCA420]

I'm not sure I was able to understand your entire post with all the typos... but I think I got the gist.

Stanking?

It's not a sewer pipe dude, it's fresh water. And why would it connect to the stadium? That makes no sense. The stadium water would come from the local municipality after going through treatment, not from a major pipeline.

The stadium isn't dependent on san francisco's pipeline for fresh water or sewage disposal.


you do shower, dont you?:whistling:

[sandiegojoe]

you do shower, dont you?:whistling:

yep. not with san francisco water though. :D

[MarcusCA420]

:tomato: you got me!



......When in Rome....:gathering:

[matineematt]

This was posted today on Support Our Niners.com...

Hetch Hetchy Pipeline In Santa Clara Far From a “Big Hurdle”

Recently, the San Francisco Chronicle published a misleading article on its front page about the Hetch Hetchy water pipeline that runs near the stadium site we are currently exploring in Santa Clara. The pipeline is part of a system that represents a right-of-way for the city of San Francisco’s Public Utilities Commission.

In the article, an anonymous city official called it “unbelievable leverage” for the city to use to attempt to block the project from moving forward. The article called the pipeline a "big hurdle" that has "popped up" and used deceptive phrasing and images that implied that the pipeline runs directly beneath the proposed location of the southern end zone of the stadium.

In reality, the pipeline is hundreds of feet away from the proposed southern tip of the stadium, and the stadium structure would pose no impediment to the Hetch Hetchy right-of-way, or the planned pipeline upgrade project the San Francisco Public Utilities Commission is currently planning.

Far from a “revelation,” the team has been aware of the pipeline from the day we began exploring the site, and we do not view it as a cause for concern. The pipeline is simply one of many aspects of this site that needs to be carefully considered as part of the overall project.

The team looks forward to continuing its feasibility study with the City of Santa Clara and we will keep you posted with the latest updates on SupportOurNiners.com

[MarcusCA420]

:tearup: Boooooooooo!

San Francisco! not Santa Clara!

[RaiderHater]

This was posted today on Support Our Niners.com...

Hetch Hetchy Pipeline In Santa Clara Far From a “Big Hurdle”

Recently, the San Francisco Chronicle published a misleading article on its front page about the Hetch Hetchy water pipeline that runs near the stadium site we are currently exploring in Santa Clara. The pipeline is part of a system that represents a right-of-way for the city of San Francisco’s Public Utilities Commission.

In the article, an anonymous city official called it “unbelievable leverage” for the city to use to attempt to block the project from moving forward. The article called the pipeline a "big hurdle" that has "popped up" and used deceptive phrasing and images that implied that the pipeline runs directly beneath the proposed location of the southern end zone of the stadium.

In reality, the pipeline is hundreds of feet away from the proposed southern tip of the stadium, and the stadium structure would pose no impediment to the Hetch Hetchy right-of-way, or the planned pipeline upgrade project the San Francisco Public Utilities Commission is currently planning.

Far from a “revelation,” the team has been aware of the pipeline from the day we began exploring the site, and we do not view it as a cause for concern. The pipeline is simply one of many aspects of this site that needs to be carefully considered as part of the overall project.

The team looks forward to continuing its feasibility study with the City of Santa Clara and we will keep you posted with the latest updates on SupportOurNiners.com



Sounds good to me.. Here is the link.. :doubleup:

http://www.supportourniners.com/news/022807_detail.php

[sandiegojoe]

makes sense. I've seen housing developers build houses after relocating high pressure natural gas lines. If you can move those things easy enough, a water pileine is no big deal.

[ZNiner]

REP.

Roaring Back=REP
Krueger70=REP

Thanks guys

[co2112]

It doesnt matter as long as their the Niners. I drive from Sacramento to see my team. Hey if they moved to Sacramento, you could still use the logo, Sacramento Forty Niners

[ZNiner]

It doesnt matter as long as their the Niners. I drive from Sacramento to see my team. Hey if they moved to Sacramento, you could still use the logo, Sacramento Forty Niners

Ha ha, you could.. "Sacramento 49ers" would sound nicer than "Santa Clara 49ers" (kinda).

LOL

[co2112]

Ha ha, you could.. "Sacramento 49ers" would sound nicer than "Santa Clara 49ers" (kinda).

LOL

It works for me, Sutters Fort, gold first discovered in the Sierra's near Sutters Mill.

[Niner Jan]

Now we KNOW that the SF stands for Sutters Fort! I never knew that...:ninercaphell: :gathering: :angel:

[LOS41510]

Look ..

i know there are people who hate san francisco.. even though i was born in SF ( DA SCO, FRISCO ), i dont care if its built in san francisco or santa clara.. but i favor more sf. santa clara is cool and it would be ok since sf is running out of space.. other than that just build it.. except not in the east bay and yes im fully aware that i live in the east bay and its bad enough that i have to deal with these @#$@#@ @## FAILURES FANS. i dont care as long as we stay in the yay bay area..

THANK YOU

LOS

YEEE

[dsr4900]

I really dont want the Niners to leave San Francisco.But that stadium is so dam old!!!!!The Parking Lot gets swamped when it rains..Water coming up from underground on to the field.What are they gonna call the Niners over there? The Santa Clara Forty Niners?

[menegatj]

How Does Everyone Feel About Santaclara??
Hi from down under

It shouldn't matter where the team moves, its the fans that matter and the fans should support the the team.

A true supporter should support their team no matter where they move.

A a good example (regarding aussie rules) is when the Sydney Swans originally known as South Melbourne Swans moved from Melbourne to Sydney in the mid 80's, there were a few supporters that didn't like the move and recented the team, but the TRUE fans stayed loyal to the club.

We need to remember that its all about the team colours and not the location of the team.

[LOS41510]

Hi from down under

It shouldn't matter where the team moves, its the fans that matter and the fans should support the the team.

A true supporter should support their team no matter where they move.

A a good example (regarding aussie rules) is when the Sydney Swans originally known as South Melbourne Swans moved from Melbourne to Sydney in the mid 80's, there were a few supporters that didn't like the move and recented the team, but the TRUE fans stayed loyal to the club.

We need to remember that its all about the team colours and not the location of the team.

You make a good point buddy.

i mean i was just realizing that also. I mean i was born and grew up in san francisco and this team means alot to my city and me.. but if they have to move to santa clara then im still gonna be a 49ers fan.. and the owner also stated that they still will be SAN FRANCISCO 49ers. so either way if its built in san francisco or santa clara then im still behind the team.. its better to have a team then to have had a team that picked up and left.. isnt that right OAKLAND LA RAIDERS???

LOS

YUP!

[Niner Jan]

(Menagatj) It shouldn't matter where the team moves, it's the fans that matter and the fans should support the the team. A true supporter should support their team no matter where it moves.

I agree with you! You go where your family is located whenever it has a family gathering...

LOS41510,

What's LOS? Do the numbers stand for your zip code? (Just curious.)

Either way, if it's built in San Francisco or Santa Clara, then I'm still behind the team.. It's better to have a team then to have HAD a team that picked up and left..

This is priceless and you deserve a REP for this wisdom!

Niner Mom :go9ers: :perfect10: :towel: