My draft plan

[Jachel]

I’m sure there has probably been a few of these, but this is my ideal draft situation. There are 3 trades, but each have a reason and I’ll explain each:

-Trade our 1st (11) to Green Bay for their 1st (16) and 3rd (78). WHY? Adrian Peterson will likely fall to us if no other team trades up. There were only 2 likely candidates for him anyway. Romeo Crennel is on the hot seat in Cle, so he can’t really load up at one position. He’s probably looking for a QB to help save his job. Houston signed Ahman Green to a long deal, so drafting another doesn’t make sense. Their D needs more help anyway. The top ten: Oak-Russell, Det-Thomas, Cle-Quinn, TB-Johnson, Arz-Adams, Wsh-Branch, Min-Anderson, Hou-Okoye, Mia-Brown, Atl-Landry. That leaves us with AP. Green Bay were likely to take a RB even if they did re-sign Green, now they need one even more. They will trade up with us so Buffalo doesn’t take him. Either that, or Buffalo and GB will go into a bidding war for our pick, which will help us even more. I’m just going on what I feel will happen.

-Trade Smiley and our 3rd (78 from GB) to Oakland for their 2nd (33). WHY? They need a good lineman, and Smiley is already proven. They also add a 3rd to help them rebuild.

-Trade our 2nd (42), 3rd (76), and 4th (106) to Denver for their 1st (21). WHY? Denver will likely look for a new CB to replace D. Williams (R.I.P), and there are several with about the same value in the late 1st, early to mid 2nd range. They still get their new CB, and also pick up an extra 3rd and 4th to do what they please with.

Now we draft:
1st (16) Robert Meachem WR – Meachem has around the same skills set as Calvin Johnson, but not as good; runs good routes, has good speed, and can catch well. Meachem is about 2 inches shorter and doesn’t jump as high, but is IMO pretty much a clone of CJ, but not quite as talented.
1st (21) Reggie Nelson S – Jacksonville could likely take him as well, but we could then take Brandon Meriweather. Either could challenge to unseat Roman during training camp, or at least push Roman and make him better. Nelson and Meriweather are both playmakers, and would definitely add the playmaker in the safety position we need.
2nd (33) DeMarcus Tyler DE – Some see him as a NT, but I see him more of a Ty Warren type DE. Can clog holes like a 3-4 DE needs to, and may be able to completely control blockers as he gets better, since he has the strength.
3rd (85-comp. for Peterson) James Marten T – Drafting a T would allow both Snyder and Baas to challenge for the RG spot. W/o another tackle, Snyder would likely be needed as a backup to both T positions, and Baas may just be given the job. This way, both Baas and Snyder will push each other for the spot, and we won’t have to worry about our depth at tackle if Snyder wins.
4th (100) Paul Soliai NT – Adding Franklin was a start, but depth would be nice since Sopo is inconsistent at best, and Fields is wanted as a DE. Soliai is also a good fit for a NT, he’s about 345lbs. He does have a tendency to play high, but he’s a 4th rounder. If he was perfect, he wouldn’t last this long.
4th (120) Davis/Blades/Bishop/Waters ILB – I don’t think Davis nor Blades will last this long, but I listed them just in case. Our ILB corps is old and thin, so youth and depth is a great thing to get here.
4th (?-comp for Carter) Chris Leak/BA QB – Sorry, I don’t know what pick we get for Carter, but I’m pretty sure it’s in the 4th round. A QB is something I feel we should start to groom as a backup, since Dilfer may only be here 1 or 2 more years. I listed Leak as my primary target because he throws a really nice ball, and comes from a winning atmosphere, though I’m not sure he’ll be here
5th Tim Duckworth G – Tim could be a solid backup at guard, and depth is something we need since Jennings and Allen are often on the injury list.

That’s my ideal draft. However, I realize there are questions about this such as: What if Meachem’s not there, Tyler’s not there, some of our later picks aren’t there, etc. The great thing about my draft is that there are many different options available. Meachem’s gone? Bowe and Rice would be good picks, or we could assure ourselves Nelson and take Rice/Jarrett/Ginn at our second 1st rounder. If Tyler’s not there? The only DE’s that would upgrade our current starters/backups are Okoye, Carriker, and Tyler, IMO. If Tyler’s gone, we could get our insurance for Gore, Michael Bush. He’ll likely be their when we pick at 33, and while it’s not my first suggestion, a Gore/Bush combo at RB would be scary.

Sorry that this post was long, but I do enjoy talking about football… a lot. Plus, I like to back my picks up with a reason, so it doesn’t seem like I’m pulling this stuff out of my rear end. Constructive criticism is nice too, so any suggestions would be cool with me.

[9ertotheend]

A couple of nice posts from you. The only thing is Denver may not be in that much of a need at corner if they keep Dre Bly.

[Jachel]

A couple of nice posts from you. The only thing is Denver may not be in that much of a need at corner if they keep Dre Bly.

Thanks.

Isn't Bly basically demanding another trade though? Even if he's not, DEN could go for a good guard w/ our #42, or maybe draft their own d-lineman instead of getting the Brown's old ones.

[Kobe8.24]

Thanks.

Isn't Bly basically demanding another trade though? Even if he's not, DEN could go for a good guard w/ our #42, or maybe draft their own d-lineman instead of getting the Brown's old ones.

:laugh:

[49ersRus]

-Trade our 1st (11) to Green Bay for their 1st (16) and 3rd (78). WHY? Adrian Peterson will likely fall to us if no other team trades up. There were only 2 likely candidates for him anyway. Romeo Crennel is on the hot seat in Cle, so he can’t really load up at one position. He’s probably looking for a QB to help save his job. Houston signed Ahman Green to a long deal, so drafting another doesn’t make sense. Their D needs more help anyway. The top ten: Oak-Russell, Det-Thomas, Cle-Quinn, TB-Johnson, Arz-Adams, Wsh-Branch, Min-Anderson, Hou-Okoye, Mia-Brown, Atl-Landry. That leaves us with AP. Green Bay were likely to take a RB even if they did re-sign Green, now they need one even more. They will trade up with us so Buffalo doesn’t take him. Either that, or Buffalo and GB will go into a bidding war for our pick, which will help us even more. I’m just going on what I feel will happen.

-Trade Smiley and our 3rd (78 from GB) to Oakland for their 2nd (33). WHY? They need a good lineman, and Smiley is already proven. They also add a 3rd to help them rebuild.

-Trade our 2nd (42), 3rd (76), and 4th (106) to Denver for their 1st (21). WHY? Denver will likely look for a new CB to replace D. Williams (R.I.P), and there are several with about the same value in the late 1st, early to mid 2nd range. They still get their new CB, and also pick up an extra 3rd and 4th to do what they please with.

OK, lets see what the value chart looks like for each trade.
1. To upgrade from 16 to 11 is 250 points. 78th pick is worth 200 pts. We lose 50 points, which is the equivalent of a late 4th round pick. Advantage Green Bay. They could also get Lynch at #16 to fill their RB position. I don't think they would be highly motivated but if we overpay, as you suggest, maybe they will do it. AP is unlikely to drop down that far IMO.

2. Upgrade from 78 to 33 is 380 points. Which would be the 21st pick in the 2nd round. Is Smiley worth a late 2nd round pick? Maybe, its hard to tell. Raiders need OL help and they might get a stud where they are at.

3. 42nd (480) + 76th (210) + 106th (82) = 772 points. 21st pick = 800. We are about 28 points shy. Which is a late 5th round pick. Advantage us, which means they probably won't do this deal. There will be a lot of talent available at that range including Chris Houston. The will take him in a heart beat if they need a CB.

The only trade that could make any sense IMO is with the Raiders, and I think that is unlikelly unless they really want Smiley.

[Kobe8.24]

OK, lets see what the value chart looks like for each trade.
1. To upgrade from 16 to 11 is 250 points. 78th pick is worth 200 pts. We lose 50 points, which is the equivalent of a late 4th round pick. Advantage Green Bay. They could also get Lynch at #16 to fill their RB position. I don't think they would be highly motivated but if we overpay, as you suggest, maybe they will do it. AP is unlikely to drop down that far IMO.

2. Upgrade from 78 to 33 is 380 points. Which would be the 21st pick in the 2nd round. Is Smiley worth a late 2nd round pick? Maybe, its hard to tell. Raiders need OL help and they might get a stud where they are at.

3. 42nd (480) + 76th (210) + 106th (82) = 772 points. 21st pick = 800. We are about 28 points shy. Which is a late 5th round pick. Advantage us, which means they probably won't do this deal. There will be a lot of talent available at that range including Chris Houston. The will take him in a heart beat if they need a CB.

The only trade that could make any sense IMO is with the Raiders, and I think that is unlikelly unless they really want Smiley.

I think Jachels post was very good. He pretty much said at the very least we'd get GB's 3rd. Buffalo and GB would both likely jump on the chance to fill a big need and get a great player. And AP falling does make sense. Other than Houston and Cleveland, no one before us would draft him, and both teams already signed a QB.
Smiley is very much worth a late 2nd, probably even an early-mid 2nd. Why would OAK take the risk of drafting a dud w/ thier 2nd vs. getting a young proven player and getting a pick.
The Denver trade you are probably right about, but it would likely only take a few tweaks to make it work.

[49ersRus]

If AP dropped to #11, we would take him!

[majesstik1]

Calvin Johnson is two rungs above any prospect in this draft, he's going #1 overall, that I'll guarantee.

Jamal Lewis is not signed on to be the long term solution in Cleveland, and the position most likely to save a coach's job with immediate production is RB. Peterson is still going #3 to Cleveland (or whoever they trade the pick to).

I have us missing Carriker, and drafting Meachem at 11, and I don't consider it a reach at all...but, then again, I watch a lot of SEC football, and I'm familiar with what he's going to bring with him into the NFL.

Here's the link to my mock:

http://www.ninercaphell.com/mock/majesstik1/

EDIT: Also, don't expect any other RBs to go in the first round outside of Peterson. All these teams that are looking for RB help will be able to get it in round 2.

[BigB_85]

Calvin Johnson is two rungs above any prospect in this draft, he's going #1 overall, that I'll guarantee.

Jamal Lewis is not signed on to be the long term solution in Cleveland, and the position most likely to save a coach's job with immediate production is RB. Peterson is still going #3 to Cleveland (or whoever they trade the pick to).

I have us missing Carriker, and drafting Meachem at 11, and I don't consider it a reach at all...but, then again, I watch a lot of SEC football, and I'm familiar with what he's going to bring with him into the NFL.

Here's the link to my mock:

http://www.ninercaphell.com/mock/majesstik1/

EDIT: Also, don't expect any other RBs to go in the first round outside of Peterson. All these teams that are looking for RB help will be able to get it in round 2.

Meachem may be someone you want, but I think the chances of selecting him are very low. McCloughan is on record saying he believes WRs (Along with RBs) can be had later in the draft.

[majesstik1]

Meachem may be someone you want, but I think the chances of selecting him are very low. McCloughan is on record saying he believes WRs (Along with RBs) can be had later in the draft.

Could be.

I'm not comfortable with Battle and Davis as our only receiving threats. I don't plan on Ashley being here much longer than one season. We need to address the position with a star caliber player. Any position can be had later, you take the best player when your pick is up, especially if it's a team need.

[BigB_85]

Could be.

I'm not comfortable with Battle and Davis as our only receiving threats. I don't plan on Ashley being here much longer than one season. We need to address the position with a star caliber player. Any position can be had later, you take the best player when your pick is up, especially if it's a team need.

No doubt our receiving corps is in need of an upgrade, but I wouldn't say, "We need to address the position with a start caliber player." San Diego had a pretty mediocre group of receivers and still were a top-notch offense.

[majesstik1]

No doubt our receiving corps is in need of an upgrade, but I wouldn't say, "We need to address the position with a start caliber player." San Diego had a pretty mediocre group of receivers and still were a top-notch offense.

Yes, they have mediocre receivers as a whole...we have less than mediocre receivers as a whole. I'd rather go into a season with Parker/Jackson/Flyod, than Battle/Ashley/Gilmore.

Also, LT is more versatile than Gore, so he opens up their offense a little more than we can.

[Smith2Bryant]

If we don't get Carriker(preferably), Okoye or Branch, I will be incredibly dissapointed. We might as well not even run the 3-4 with out current d-line. We're going to need a much better d-line if we're expecting to get our pass rush from our linebackers.

[#1SmithFan]

No doubt our receiving corps is in need of an upgrade, but I wouldn't say, "We need to address the position with a start caliber player." San Diego had a pretty mediocre group of receivers and still were a top-notch offense.

They have Tomlinson and an awesome O-line. Oh yeah, and Antonio Gates. Gore is a great back, but Tomlinson is in a league of his own.

[SB49er4life]

Calvin Johnson is two rungs above any prospect in this draft, he's going #1 overall, that I'll guarantee.

Jamal Lewis is not signed on to be the long term solution in Cleveland, and the position most likely to save a coach's job with immediate production is RB. Peterson is still going #3 to Cleveland (or whoever they trade the pick to).

I have us missing Carriker, and drafting Meachem at 11, and I don't consider it a reach at all...but, then again, I watch a lot of SEC football, and I'm familiar with what he's going to bring with him into the NFL.

Here's the link to my mock:

http://www.ninercaphell.com/mock/majesstik1/

EDIT: Also, don't expect any other RBs to go in the first round outside of Peterson. All these teams that are looking for RB help will be able to get it in round 2.

I'm really crossing my fingers that we grab Steve Smith in the early 2nd round, and use our 1st pick for an impact player.

But even then, I like Meachem as a WR very much, I love his game speed, and how I could count on seeing him in SportsCenter's Top 10 every week during the college football season. Wouldn't be mad at all if we took him, but I do think we could afford to trade down a few spots and still get him, if we do indeed go that route.

This is what I wanna see:

1st Rd- Amobi Okoye DE/NT, Louisville; LaRon Landry, FS, LSU; Adam Carriker, DE, Nebraska (in that order, if available

2nd Rd- Steve Smith, WR, USC

3rd Rd(a)- H.B. Blades, ILB, Pitt

3rd Rd(b)- Josh Gattis, FS, Wake Forest

4th Rd(a)- Paul Solai, NT, Utah

4th Rd(b)- Eric Wright, CB, UNLV

4th Rd(c)- Brian Robison, OLB, Texas

[Niners408]

Trade back around 15-24. for 1st and 2nd rounder.
trade 2(2nd rounders) for a first
trade 3rd and 4th for a second round.

1.Patrick Willis
2.Ted Ginn Jr
3.Jarvis Moss
4.Jonathan Wade

[Nevyn]

I’m sure there has probably been a few of these, but this is my ideal draft situation. There are 3 trades, but each have a reason and I’ll explain each:

-Trade our 1st (11) to Green Bay for their 1st (16) and 3rd (78). WHY? Adrian Peterson will likely fall to us if no other team trades up.


Not. A. Chance.

And if this miracle happened and A.P. WAS there, I'd expect us to get more than a 3rd to move back (or get the 3rd from Buffalo).

Seriously, though, it is a bad sign when phase one of your plan is a massive long shot.

And there is no way that Houston passes up another superstar RB for another defensive lineman. The Ahman Green contract will have outs.

I also find it highly unlikely that A.P gets past 9 or 10 without Buffalo trading up.


-Trade Smiley and our 3rd (78 from GB) to Oakland for their 2nd (33). WHY? They need a good lineman, and Smiley is already proven. They also add a 3rd to help them rebuild.


The more trades in a plan, the more farfetched it is. And this deal is assigning Smiley a mid-2nd round value, which is awfully high, especially for an O.G. that doesn't fit Oakland's style any better than ours, when what they really need is an OT.


-Trade our 2nd (42), 3rd (76), and 4th (106) to Denver for their 1st (21). WHY? Denver will likely look for a new CB to replace D. Williams (R.I.P), and there are several with about the same value in the late 1st, early to mid 2nd range. They still get their new CB, and also pick up an extra 3rd and 4th to do what they please with.


This assumes there won't be a run on CBs at the end of the first (something there usually is) and also assumes that Denver didn't have 2 multiple pro bowlers back there (unless they trade Bly to Washington). It's also kinda mysterious to me why you want 3 picks in the first 33? With 12 million in remaining cap room and Frank Gore to extend, I don't think we want to be paying essentially 3 first round salaries.

I'll leave your picks alone. They are at least debatable. But your ideal scenario involves three incredibly unlikely trades.

[VDavis18]

I like the plan but I just can't see us making so many trades on draft day. I think that realistically, we can trade up for another 2nd rounder and thats it. That leaves us with 1 First Round pick, and 2 Second round Picks. With that I think we take Patrick Willis, Amobi Okoye, or LaRon Landry in the 1st, Jason Hill and Tank Tyler in the 2nd. Personally I would be extremely excited if that happens. But overal I like your post and your ability t back up your statements, but it's so hard for me to believe that we make 3 trades come draft day.