Prediction for 49ers Overall Value in Madden Next Year

[gcarpenter]

What Do you guys think? mid 80s? Higher or lower then the broncos?

[co2112]

Well they are already an 85, if you make some position changes an 88. With the addition to our secondary I'd have to say 87-91 easily. 87 being normal roster, 91; moving Lawson to End and Young to DT, Harris to FS and Wlaker to FB

[NinerRider]

Well they are already an 85, if you make some position changes an 88. With the addition to our secondary I'd have to say 87-91 easily. 87 being normal roster, 91; moving Lawson to End and Young to DT, Harris to FS and Wlaker to FB

87-91 easily? Not sure if they put non-playoff teams in the 90's.

I'm guessing 86 overall and no higher than 88.

[co2112]

87-91 easily? Not sure if they put non-playoff teams in the 90's.

I'm guessing 86 overall and no higher than 88.
thats what I said 87 normal, 91 if you tweak the lineup just by changing positions not rating or players. Where did we not agree?

[SBbound49ers]

The scale for ratings changes every year. In 06 teams were as low as the 70's.......in 07 most teams were clumped together in the 80s with few teams being in the 70s. Were there any teams in the 70s? :wacko:

[gcarpenter]

I honestly don't think there was, if so it was like 79 or something

[co2112]

I honestly don't think there was, if so it was like 79 or something

NFL Europe teams....but this game saw a lot more evenly matched teams than before. As far as ratings I feel this year 07 have been pretty right on except for few players that stood out they weren't expected to (colsten, cotchery).

[jmichura]

The overall ratings are messed up because they don't always have the best player in Madden starting. Also, higher rated players are not always better Madden players than lower rated ones because of the emphasis on speed and height as some positions. Awareness for a QB on next gen is also not very important because the cone is optional.

I will try to ranked the Niners in both O and D for 07 and 08 to make things easier to understand. Note that these are just approximations.

07 Offense: 18th
08 Offense: 13th

In 07, the better opponent, you are playing, the worst the Niners with respect to every other team. The team is a two-trick pony, Gore and Davis. Bryant is decent, but nothing to brag about. Better players put pressure faster, which reduces the separation VD gets. Better players are also better at the hitstick, making Gore a liability at times. The better players are also better at limitting the rollout so Alex's mobility is less effective.

In 08, Lelie makes things better because he is actually a burner unlike Bryant, who will only seperate from the slowest corners. Because of Lelie, players will have to respect the streak and put a safety the over top, opening things up. However, this difference isn't huge because Alex has relatively low throwing power.

07 Defense: 32nd
08 Defense: 20th

We have the worst defense in 07 and it isn't even close. The awareness is low pretty much everywhere. And our corners are dirt slow. Walt Harris has good awareness but is only startable against certain teams and often cannot be matched up with a #1 WR due to being slow. It also sucks that the 3-4 isn't as effective as it should be because NT's can't get take up two gaps. People also have delusions about putting Manny at DE but as good as he is rated as a DE, he is crap because he can't get past the OT.

In 08, our defense gets much better. Nate doesn't have elite speed but Nate and Spencer is leaps and bounds better than Harris and Spencer. Our LB's are still pretty slow with the exception of Manny but they get a little better. Unless they program the ability for the NT to take on two blockers, run defense is not gonna be as good as it should be and our pass rush isn't going to be as good as it should be unless you rush with alot of people with little coverage behind them.

I think we will be a decent team but still near the bottom half of the league. I think that our teams just gets much better against terrible players but not much better at all against good players.

[m1ck3y]

Lawson is a beast on '07 but the 3-4 does suck. At least we can match up in on-line play with the secondary. It was suspect in '07 big time.

[vicious2500]

Lawson is a beast on '07 but the 3-4 does suck. At least we can match up in on-line play with the secondary. It was suspect in '07 big time.

:phone: 3-4 sucks... Thats where all the pressure is on next gen. On current gen its not as popular as the other formations, but its still an excellent defense and has one of the best pressure forms thats only in a few PBs the nickel 245. Every formation is suspect vs the run this year in madden you can be running a 46 defense and still be gashed for over 100 yards rushing.

[Adrian]

we'll be an 86 or 87

[Broncomania96]

i saw sround 86 maybe a little lower

[Jlowd21]

84-85

[SBbound49ers]

Lawson is a beast on '07 but the 3-4 does suck. At least we can match up in on-line play with the secondary. It was suspect in '07 big time.

Yeah, a couple times I was messing around and traded for Seymour, Casey Hampton and some other beast and I still got blown off the ball on every run play.

3-4 is good vs the pass but terrible vs the run in 07.

[AlaskaNinersFan]

3-4 does sacrafice a LITTLE versus the run,but its much better for blitzing and against the pass in general,You can still stop the run with it just fine.

[jmichura]

Yeah, a couple times I was messing around and traded for Seymour, Casey Hampton and some other beast and I still got blown off the ball on every run play.

3-4 is good vs the pass but terrible vs the run in 07.

If you play on the 360, try the following against the run:

If they come out in a two-back set:

34 Normal - OLB Dogs Fire
- pinch DL
- spread LB's

If they come out in Singleback:

Nickel 245 - Ray Smoke
- pinch DL
- pinch LB's

[sfgold]

The overall ratings are messed up because they don't always have the best player in Madden starting. Also, higher rated players are not always better Madden players than lower rated ones because of the emphasis on speed and height as some positions. Awareness for a QB on next gen is also not very important because the cone is optional.

I will try to ranked the Niners in both O and D for 07 and 08 to make things easier to understand. Note that these are just approximations.

07 Offense: 18th
08 Offense: 13th

In 07, the better opponent, you are playing, the worst the Niners with respect to every other team. The team is a two-trick pony, Gore and Davis. Bryant is decent, but nothing to brag about. Better players put pressure faster, which reduces the separation VD gets. Better players are also better at the hitstick, making Gore a liability at times. The better players are also better at limitting the rollout so Alex's mobility is less effective.

In 08, Lelie makes things better because he is actually a burner unlike Bryant, who will only seperate from the slowest corners. Because of Lelie, players will have to respect the streak and put a safety the over top, opening things up. However, this difference isn't huge because Alex has relatively low throwing power.

07 Defense: 32nd
08 Defense: 20th

We have the worst defense in 07 and it isn't even close. The awareness is low pretty much everywhere. And our corners are dirt slow. Walt Harris has good awareness but is only startable against certain teams and often cannot be matched up with a #1 WR due to being slow. It also sucks that the 3-4 isn't as effective as it should be because NT's can't get take up two gaps. People also have delusions about putting Manny at DE but as good as he is rated as a DE, he is crap because he can't get past the OT.

In 08, our defense gets much better. Nate doesn't have elite speed but Nate and Spencer is leaps and bounds better than Harris and Spencer. Our LB's are still pretty slow with the exception of Manny but they get a little better. Unless they program the ability for the NT to take on two blockers, run defense is not gonna be as good as it should be and our pass rush isn't going to be as good as it should be unless you rush with alot of people with little coverage behind them.

I think we will be a decent team but still near the bottom half of the league. I think that our teams just gets much better against terrible players but not much better at all against good players.i hope your not talking about madden on ps2 or xbox, if so you are totally wrong. better the rating the better the player always doesnt matter what his performance is in real life but the game is based on ratings. if you are a good player you can make any team work for you. there are no analyzing in this game. you can use the same philosophy for any team and the same result. hit me up if you want to test your skills.

[jmichura]

i hope your not talking about madden on ps2 or xbox, if so you are totally wrong. better the rating the better the player always doesnt matter what his performance is in real life but the game is based on ratings. if you are a good player you can make any team work for you. there are no analyzing in this game. you can use the same philosophy for any team and the same result. hit me up if you want to test your skills.

I play on Next Gen. However, you don't think that Speed matter more than Awareness for some position? You don't think Lelie is a better player in Madden than Bryant? How about VD over Witten? The problem with Madden is that for some positions, Awareness means squat, while inflating the player's rating. Players' overall rating are not accurate as far as how good they are on Madden. And my ranking don't have anything to do with the real season but how I feel how good they are ON MADDEN.

[sfgold]

I play on Next Gen. However, you don't think that Speed matter more than Awareness for some position? You don't think Lelie is a better player in Madden than Bryant? How about VD over Witten? The problem with Madden is that for some positions, Awareness means squat, while inflating the player's rating. Players' overall rating are not accurate as far as how good they are on Madden. And my ranking don't have anything to do with the real season but how I feel how good they are ON MADDEN.
I dont need speedy guys to operate my offense, but anyways there are glitches in the game to where I can pass on you all day long and even though you know where its going you still cant stop it. speed doesnt matter!

[jmichura]

I dont need speedy guys to operate my offense, but anyways there are glitches in the game to where I can pass on you all day long and even though you know where its going you still cant stop it. speed doesnt matter!

Wow, you are awesome. I am glad that you can exploit glitches so that you don't have to play real football. Good job.

[nightwing01]

Wow, you are awesome. I am glad that you can exploit glitches so that you don't have to play real football. Good job. this coming from the guy that loses all the time and is mad because he cant beat any one in the game.

[TerrellOwns]

this coming from the guy that loses all the time and is mad because he cant beat any one in the game.

yeah you must be right..

[badass316]

Wow, you are awesome. I am glad that you can exploit glitches so that you don't have to play real football. Good job.

Yeah cheesers are freakin lame as hell. Which is why I take absolute pleasure whenever I shut cheeser's out and force them to quite LOL Its absolutely priceless, they often quit after being stopped on their first 2 possessions and sometimes even their first. Its hilarious :falldownlaugh:

[badass316]

I think the niners will be an 86 or 87. I would be surprised if they rated them higher than an 88.