Carolina Panthers sign David Carr.

[Ness]

Panthers | Carr agrees
Thu, 5 Apr 2007 23:53:14 -0700

Pat Yasinskas, of the Charlotte Observer, reports the Carolina Panthers agreed to terms with unrestricted free-agent QB David Carr (Texans) on a two-year contract, according to a league source. Financial terms were not disclosed.

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[jmichura]

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I think that was the right move on his part. He would have a better staff in Seattle but who knows how much longer Holmgren will be there for. He also has a much better chance of unseating Delhomme than Hasselbeck.

[Eaglesfandan]

Looks like Delhomo just lost his job IMO..........

[Steeler Hater]

It doesn't change the fact that the Panthers are on a major decline.
If anything, this proved it.
Old defense+limited offense=Crap.

[Ness]

Looks like Delhomo just lost his job IMO..........

Not quite. It's not like he played abysmal this past season. They could have made the playoffs if he wasn't injured.

[Stanfordman]

It doesn't change the fact that the Panthers are on a major decline.
If anything, this proved it.
Old defense+limited offense=Crap.

Old defense? Since when? Kris Jenkins is still only 28, Peppers is 27, Richard Marshalls 23, Ken Lucas is 28, Dan Moran is 28(he needs to be able to stay healthy), Chris Gamble is 24 and so is Thomas Davis. That's 6-7 potential starters 28 or under. The only old guys on that defense are Mike Rucker and Mike Minter(who might be questionable for next season considering he tore his acl late in to the season). They might want to add a Free Safety through the draft, and maybe some linebackers, since they lost Chris Draft, but they still had one of the better defenses in the league(7th in the league behind NE, #4 in pass defense and 9th in points allowed). http://www.nfl.com/teams/schedule/CAR/2006 They lost too many close games last year. 3-4 points was the difference between a 11-5(or even 12-4) and 8-8. They need to go back to the running game by pounding the ball with DeAngelo Williams and Deshaun Foster. They had one of the best running attacks in the league that year they went to the superbowl. If they can get that going, along with smart play from their qb, they should easily be a contender.

[majesstik1]

I see this as a match for "The Man's" rear end.

What's funny is Carr's contract still expires before Hommey's.

Should make for an interesting TC.

[Eaglesfandan]

Not quite. It's not like he played abysmal this past season. They could have made the playoffs if he wasn't injured.

It will be an interesting TC for sure. I'm not and have never been sold on Jake.....:francis:

[Ness]

It will be an interesting TC for sure. I'm not and have never been sold on Jake.....:francis:

Well he's never been Peyton Manning or anything, but he's always been a decent quarterback.

+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Passing | Rushing |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1999 nor | 2 | 42 76 55.3 521 6.9 3 5 | 11 72 2 |
| 2001 nor | 3 | 0 0 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 | 0 0 0 |
| 2002 nor | 4 | 8 10 80.0 113 11.3 0 0 | 4 -2 0 |
| 2003 car | 16 | 266 449 59.2 3219 7.2 19 16 | 41 39 1 |
| 2004 car | 16 | 310 533 58.2 3886 7.3 29 15 | 25 71 1 |
| 2005 car | 16 | 262 435 60.2 3421 7.9 24 16 | 24 31 1 |
| 2006 car | 13 | 263 431 61.0 2805 6.5 17 11 | 18 12 0 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| TOTAL | 70 | 1151 1934 59.5 13965 7.2 92 63 | 123 223 5 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

His post season numbers are pretty impressive too.

Year Opp Result | CMP ATT PYD PTD INT | RSH YD TD
---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------
2003 dal W,29-10 | 18 29 273 1 0 | 2 -2 0
2003 stl W,29-23 | 16 26 290 1 1 | 0 0 0
2003 phi W,14-3 | 9 14 101 1 0 | 4 7 0
*2003 nwe L,29-32 | 16 33 323 3 0 | 0 0 0
2005 nyg W,23-0 | 15 22 140 1 0 | 0 0 0
2005 chi W,29-21 | 24 33 319 3 1 | 2 9 0
2005 sea L,14-34 | 15 35 196 1 3 | 3 15 0
---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------
TOTAL | 113 192 1642 11 5 | 11 29 0

[ftn49]

Not quite. It's not like he played abysmal this past season. They could have made the playoffs if he wasn't injured.

I didn't watch every game that Carolina played by any means, however the ones that I did, and against Cincinati specificly, it was Delhommes critical mistakes in the 4th that lost them the game.

Also from what I hear on Sirius from Carolina fans, they say it is relatively common for Delhomme to make those mistakes late in the game.

[Blong4Ever]

Old defense? Since when? Kris Jenkins is still only 28, Peppers is 27, Richard Marshalls 23, Ken Lucas is 28, Dan Moran is 28(he needs to be able to stay healthy), Chris Gamble is 24 and so is Thomas Davis. That's 6-7 potential starters 28 or under. The only old guys on that defense are Mike Rucker and Mike Minter(who might be questionable for next season considering he tore his acl late in to the season). They might want to add a Free Safety through the draft, and maybe some linebackers, since they lost Chris Draft, but they still had one of the better defenses in the league(7th in the league behind NE, #4 in pass defense and 9th in points allowed). http://www.nfl.com/teams/schedule/CAR/2006 They lost too many close games last year. 3-4 points was the difference between a 11-5(or even 12-4) and 8-8. They need to go back to the running game by pounding the ball with DeAngelo Williams and Deshaun Foster. They had one of the best running attacks in the league that year they went to the superbowl. If they can get that going, along with smart play from their qb, they should easily be a contender.

If Minter does indeed play next season he plans to retire after it.

http://www.charlotte.com/456/story/65682.html

[Blong4Ever]

It doesn't change the fact that the Panthers are on a major decline.
If anything, this proved it.
Old defense+limited offense=Crap.

Let's not be argumentative but they have a young team. I also wouldn't count out an offense that has Steve Smith on it.

Name Pos Age
Marshall,*Richard CB* 22*
McClover,*Stanley DE* 22*
Jackson,*Steven FB* 22*
Byrum,*Dion CB* 23*
Hall,*Jason DE* 23*
Anderson,*James LB* 23*
Basanez,*Brett QB* 23*
Shelton,*Eric RB* 23*
Williams,*DeAngelo RB* 23*
Salley,*Nate S* 23*
Hangartner,*Geoff C* 24*
Montgomery,*Will C* 24*
Gamble,*Chris CB* 24*
Davis,*Thomas LB* 24*
Seward,*Adam LB* 24*
Newton,*Cam S* 24*
Butler,*Rashad T* 24*
King,*Jeff TE* 24*
Biddle,*Taye WR* 24*
Colbert,*Keary WR* 24*
McCullum,*Justin WR* 24*
Deloatch,*Curtis CB* 25*
Morton,*Christian CB* 25*
Wilds,*Garnell CB* 25*
Williams,*Stephen DT* 25*
Batiste,*D'Anthony G* 25*
Mathis,*Evan G* 25*
Jamison,*Brandon LB* 25*
Haynes,*Alex RB* 25*
Wharton,*Travelle T* 25*
Wilson,*John T* 25*
Carter,*Drew WR* 25*
Garrett,*Kevin CB* 26*
Strait,*Derrick CB* 26*
Ball,*Dave DE* 26*
Grigsby,*Otis DE* 26*
Carstens,*Jordan DT* 26*
Sciullo,*Steve G* 26*
Bridges,*Jeremy T* 26*
Gross,*Jordan T* 26*
Seidman,*Mike TE* 26*
Youngblood,*Kevin WR* 26*
Peppers,*Julius DE* 27*
Jenkins,*Kris DT* 27*
Lavalais,*Chad DT* 27*
Foster,*DeShaun RB* 27*
Branch,*Colin S* 27*
Gaines,*Michael TE* 27*
Smith,*Steve WR* 27*
Hartwig,*Justin C* 28*
Lucas,*Ken CB* 28*
Kemoeatu,*Maake DT* 28*
Moorehead,*Kindal DT* 28*
Peters,*Scott G* 28*
Diggs,*Na'il LB* 28*
Morgan,*Dan LB* 28*
Baker,*Jason P* 28*
Kadela,*Dave T* 28*
Lewis,*Damione DT* 29*
Goings,*Nick RB* 29*
Cooper,*Deke S* 29*
Horn,*Chris WR* 29*
Hoover,*Brad FB* 30*
Wahle,*Mike G* 30*
Melton,*Terrence LB* 30*
Williams,*Shaun S* 30*
Rucker,*Mike DE* 32*
Delhomme,*Jake QB* 32*
Minter,*Mike S* 33*
Fordham,*Todd T* 33*
Kyle,*Jason LB* 34*
Johnson,*KeyshawnWR* 34*
Kasay,*John K* 37*

[Fez]

Definately Agree.

I second that.

Aside from the obvious struggling Delhomme, the Panthers haven't really committed to a future franchise QB. So Carr and his agent put him on (probably) the best case scenario.

[Denver9erfan]

I think it's a good move. I think Carr will probably benefit from some time on the bench. He seems shell shocked after playing with the texans. In carolina he has a chance to sit for a bit and then step in if Delhomme struggles. To me this was the best place for Carr to go.

[NiNeRtHeOrY]

I hope Carr turns it around in Carolina, I always thought he was going to be a great QB in the NFL and it never happened in Houston. Hopefully a change of scenery will do him good.

[SF85-8917]

www.kffl.com

I was just gonna post.:biggrin: Reps!!! Thanks for the update

[Ace Matherton]

Great move all around, Carr gets a great team and decent line, Panthers get a guy whom i believe has never gotten the chance he deserved.

[daredevil2-5]

I don't know why Delhomme has stayed this long. Chuck it up and watch Smith (or Muhammed for a year) come down w/ it, then go off into a world of overthrows, underthrows, pick 6s.

[Vinny]

Good luck to the NFL's modern day version of Rob Johnson, the incredible self sacking QB. No way he beats out Delhomme. DC doesn't have an ounce of intangibles. He will make a top notch reserve guy though...family guy, doesn't rock the boat and throws safe hitch passes only. Won't kill your team by forcing the ball, but he doesn't make many plays...he just has no intermediate passing game...at least nothing consistent.

[BrentJones84]

A two year.

Seems to be a "let's see how this thing goes...." type deal.

I don't expect Carr to unseat Delhomme in camp, but I expect Carr will start somewhere down the line if Delhomme struggles in the least bit.

[Ace Matherton]

he just has no intermediate passing game...at least nothing consistent.

Neither did Steve Young in TB, and you wouldnt either if ya had to get the ball out in under 1.5 seconds. Carr is certainly to blame for much of his performance but putting the entire onus on him when the organization never protected him, i think is a bit much.

[Vinny]

Neither did Steve Young in TB, and you wouldnt either if ya had to get the ball out in under 1.5 seconds. Carr is certainly to blame for much of his performance but putting the entire onus on him when the organization never protected him, i think is a bit much. Well, I've seen every single game and have all the games recorded, all 75 of his starts....He has gotten protection and still cannot make plays. Kubiak said that he sacked himself an inordinate amount of times without assigning a sack to a lineman or a back...so I do have a different pov. Some of you guys that just scan the stat line can't see that he can't make plays on 3rd and 8, doesn't know how to read defenses...still, and completely melts down in any pressure situation. Take away the times he added to his sack count and he was middle of the road in being sacked in the NFL last year.

Good luck to him, but I've seen that dog and pony show...he has a million dollar body and a ten cent game.

[Ness]

I want to see him do great, just so I can see the expressions on Texans fans' faces.

[Ness]

I didn't watch every game that Carolina played by any means, however the ones that I did, and against Cincinati specificly, it was Delhommes critical mistakes in the 4th that lost them the game.

Also from what I hear on Sirius from Carolina fans, they say it is relatively common for Delhomme to make those mistakes late in the game.

True. But this was only one year. I mean this is the same guy that lead them to a Super Bowl what, three years ago? I don't think he's played that bad for the organization to go out and sign someone like David Carr to compete for the starting spot.

[Denver9erfan]

Well, I've seen every single game and have all the games recorded, all 75 of his starts....He has gotten protection and still cannot make plays. Kubiak said that he sacked himself an inordinate amount of times without assigning a sack to a lineman or a back...so I do have a different pov. Some of you guys that just scan the stat line can't see that he can't make plays on 3rd and 8, doesn't know how to read defenses...still, and completely melts down in any pressure situation. Take away the times he added to his sack count and he was middle of the road in being sacked in the NFL last year.

Good luck to him, but I've seen that dog and pony show...he has a million dollar body and a ten cent game.

That was last year... his first few years he was being destroyed it was on his offensive line. You throw any rookie behind a line like that for his first few years in the league and it's going to damage them. He became completely shell shocked.

I think some time to sit back and watch someone else play will do wonders for him. I think he'll see what having consistent protection can do for a qbs confidence.

[Fez]

I want to see him do great, just so I can see the expressions on Texans fans' faces.

Wouldn't that be a beyotch. :biggrin:

[Ness]

According to ESPN.com, Jake Delhomme is the unquestioned starter.

Click here. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2827930)

[KevinM]

I also wouldn't count out an offense that has Steve Smith on it.


I wouldn't either, but I would not be overly impressed with an offense that IS Steve Smith.

[NinerRider]

According to ESPN.com, Jake Delhomme is the unquestioned starter.

Click here. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2827930)

He may be the unquestioned starter, but I think his leash just got a bit shorter.

[Ness]

He may be the unquestioned starter, but I think his leash just got a bit shorter.

Probably just to lite a fire under him.

[Trap_Star]

Well, I've seen every single game and have all the games recorded, all 75 of his starts....He has gotten protection and still cannot make plays. Kubiak said that he sacked himself an inordinate amount of times without assigning a sack to a lineman or a back...so I do have a different pov. Some of you guys that just scan the stat line can't see that he can't make plays on 3rd and 8, doesn't know how to read defenses...still, and completely melts down in any pressure situation. Take away the times he added to his sack count and he was middle of the road in being sacked in the NFL last year.

Good luck to him, but I've seen that dog and pony show...he has a million dollar body and a ten cent game.

Preach Vinny!! Preach!!...:banana4:
I want to see him do great, just so I can see the expressions on Texans fans' faces.

You really shoulda seen our faces during his tenure here....:mouthclosed:

[Ness]

You really shoulda seen our faces during his tenure here....:mouthclosed:

http://blog.kir.com/archives/Texans%20sacks.jpg

[Jlowd21]

The Panthers lost like 5 or 6 games when they had the lead in the 4th quarter. Delhomme made way too many critical mistakes in the 4th quarter. That's what makes me think that Delhomme will be unseated as the starter.

[Gnome]

Some of you really need to see him play. If you can even call what he does "playing"

[Ace Matherton]

Some of you really need to see him play. If you can even call what he does "playing"

The same would have happened to Young, some of you need to realize the importance of decent line play.

[badass316]

Looks like Jake will be on a short leash this comming season, but not to short Im guessing.

[49ersRus]

Link below...

http://www.kentucky.com/232/story/35902.html

[49erfan88]

Good luck to the NFL's modern day version of Rob Johnson, the incredible self sacking QB. No way he beats out Delhomme. DC doesn't have an ounce of intangibles. He will make a top notch reserve guy though...family guy, doesn't rock the boat and throws safe hitch passes only. Won't kill your team by forcing the ball, but he doesn't make many plays...he just has no intermediate passing game...at least nothing consistent.

thats all he had time to throw in houston. and how could you make plays when you only have about maybe 4 or 5 seconds to throw the ball?

[uscstring]

Link below...

http://www.kentucky.com/232/story/35902.html

awesome, what this has to do with the 2007 draft...who knows

[Stanfordman]

thats all he had time to throw in houston. and how could you make plays when you only have about maybe 4 or 5 seconds to throw the ball?

Isn't that about the time most qb's have to throw the ball? Sage Rosenfels looked pretty good when carr was benched against Tennessee. Carr was sacked 4 times and threw 0 tds and 1 interception before being benched. Roselfels came in and was sacked a total ZERO times, and threw 3 touchdowns and 1 interception(while going 18/25 for 186 yards).

[Ness]

The same would have happened to Young, some of you need to realize the importance of decent line play.

Carr actually had some playmakers on his team though. Like Domianick Williams and Andre Johnson in years past. I thought it was mostly the line's fault at times too. But last season it was evident that he had his chances to make plays, and his still didn't deliver.

[49ersRus]

awesome, what this has to do with the 2007 draft...who knows

Well, it could impact how the draft falls out for us past pick #14...

[NJNiner]

very interesting, good move on carrs part also. I have a feeling he will be in as a starter at some point this season. Is weinke gone?

Now they have a quality backup, and now maybe we can see if carr really is capable of being a pro bowl QB like I have argued and some of you have argued for and against with me in the past. I like Delhomme though, and I have a feeling this season will be his last in carolina should carr start at some point.
Had carr gone to seattle he would probably not unseat hass, but I would have liked to see how he would have done with the hawks if hasselbeck got injured again.

well good luck to david and to jake delhomme as well

[gnoix]

I believe Carr will get another chance while with the Panthers. I would hav to say, he was given his chances in Houston but they werent the best given chances. Heck, if I was sacked that many times in my first couple years of pro, I would be scared to even hold the ball or step and throw. IMO, I would have to blame the Houston organization with his failure to be successful. Like his first year, 76 sacks. That would change lots of qb's opinion and hope in the oline.

[CAG21]

thats all he had time to throw in houston. and how could you make plays when you only have about maybe 4 or 5 seconds to throw the ball?

LOL. If any QB has that long to throw he better be lighting it up.

[Ness]

LOL. If any QB has that long to throw he better be lighting it up.

Seriously. 4 or 5 seconds is a life time to throw the ball. Even Bledsoe would be the MVP in the league if he had that amount of time to produce.

[Fez]

Is weinke gone?

If he's not, I will question John Fox's mental health.

[offtackle24]

Looks like Delhomo just lost his job IMO..........

hey man delhomme is not a bad quarterback..... everyone just easily forgets about the superbowl against the patriots.

[mertonhanks36]

today..... the greatest day of my life with him moving to the other side of the country now leaving as far possible from bakersfield, so now he has a legit excuse for never coming over here:dance2: :dance2:

[daredevil2-5]

today..... the greatest day of my life with him moving to the other side of the country now leaving as far possible from bakersfield, so now he has a legit excuse for never coming over here:dance2: :dance2:
:falldownlaugh:

I still remember the news here in Fresno covering his flight to the draft and to Houston. Ish was funny

[Fez]

He was released over a month ago.

Is this the part where I do a 180° and question my own mental health?

[Gnome]

The same would have happened to Young, some of you need to realize the importance of decent line play.
There's three things Carr has in common with Young:

-scrambling abilities
-wear #8
-Fez has a crush on them

Here's the difference

-Carr never learned how to read defenses
-Young had less talent at TB

[Fez]

-Fez has a crush on them

Shhhtt!!!! :spy:

[daredevil2-5]

-Fez has a crush on them
Fez takes the L

[Fez]

Fez takes the L

Wha... ?

[Jlowd21]

hey man delhomme is not a bad quarterback..... everyone just easily forgets about the superbowl against the patriots.

He's had one Cinderella season. Since that Cinderella season, he, as well as the Panthers organization, have gone downhill.

[Ness]

He's had one Cinderella season. Since that Cinderella season, he, as well as the Panthers organization, have gone downhill.

No they haven't. And one Cinderella season? Please explain yourself.

[tex49er]

There's three things Carr has in common with Young:

-scrambling abilities
-wear #8
-Fez has a crush on them

Here's the difference

-Carr never learned how to read defenses
-Young had less talent at TB

neither qb had any kind of talent around them starting with the o line i can still remember tb fans booing young off the field ,thought it was quite fitting when young won sb it was in tampa .Maybe the same will happen for dc in houston how fitting would that be and then just walk around reliant with some cali hat and raising the trophy that would be so hilarious .

[Ace Matherton]

There's three things Carr has in common with Young:

-scrambling abilities
-wear #8
-Fez has a crush on them

Here's the difference

-Carr never learned how to read defenses
-Young had less talent at TB

Less talent at tail back????? Brown, Henry, and white were worse than anything you guys had in years past? Williams was great when he played which happened rarely and other than him no back has ever produced on that roster.

[Ness]

Less talent at tail back????? Brown, Henry, and white were worse than anything you guys had in years past? Williams was great when he played which happened rarely and other than him no back has ever produced on that roster.

Actually Dominack Williams played most of the time except for last year.

+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Rushing | Receiving |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 2003 hou | 14 | 238 1031 4.3 8 | 47 351 7.5 0 |
| 2004 hou | 15 | 302 1188 3.9 13 | 68 588 8.6 1 |
| 2005 hou | 11 | 230 976 4.2 2 | 39 337 8.6 4 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 40 | 770 3195 4.1 23 | 154 1276 8.3 5 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+