How does the new stadium work with Season Tix Holders???

[Miguel]

So do I get to keep all my seats????

I have 4 and 5 in different sections.

Will there be options to put them in the same section say row W and X...

Curious.

[Peter Proud]

That question will be answered by the 49ERS Ticket Office as stadium plans move forward.

Nobody here has the answers.

[RaiderHater]

We can speculate though.. This is what the Arizona Cardinals did last year when they opened up their new stadium.

Starting in January 2006, They started to give appointments to season ticket holders to come to the Ticket office and choose their seats. It was done by Seniority. Those who had their Season Ticket rights the longest, got the first chance to pick new seats.

They did that from January 2006 until April 2006. They ended up selling the rest of their Season Tickets by the End of May 2006.

[Miguel]

Wonder how they did it before when the niners move to Candlestick

[Peter Proud]

We can speculate though.. This is what the Arizona Cardinals did last year when they opened up their new stadium.

Starting in January 2006, They started to give appointments to season ticket holders to come to the Ticket office and choose their seats. It was done by Seniority. Those who had their Season Ticket rights the longest, got the first chance to pick new seats.

They did that from January 2006 until April 2006. They ended up selling the rest of their Season Tickets by the End of May 2006.

I don't envision the 49ers doing it quite the same because the season ticket holder base was different. Thru the 2001 season the 49ers % of Season Ticket Holders was very high with a waiting list that was quite long. Even with the exodus of many long-time STH's, the renewals were still near 90%.

The CARDINALS on the other hand did not have a lot of STH's. This in turn meant that most of them were either long-time STH's or fairly new STH's. The long-timers had enough senority that they weren't going to have to move. The fairly new STH's having recently aquired their seats had choice spots to pick from when they got their seats and were very likely to stay pretty much where they were.

Many 49er STH'S paid a lot of money to have prime location seats transfered to them. They got great locations, but no senority when the seats were transfered. Now if the 49ers do as the CARDINALS did, you have the possibility that someone who's had nosebleed seats for 20 years moving to the 50 yard line. If I was one of those on the 50yard line who got 'bumped', I'd be P.O'ed!

I predict that it will be some type of senority based within certain areas. For example:
The Lower Box area would be sectioned off as follows: Between the 30's....between the 30's and the goal lines...endzones from corner to corner.

Recently the 49ers went to a tiered-pricing structure for seat locations and will most likely continue. Some fans may not want or be able to maintain their current locations because of the new prices and the better seats will come available. But the fairest way fill those now-available premium seats would be to offer them the STH's to the left, right, or next level behind...based on senority.

It's not going to be easy and not everyone will be happy.....that you can count on!

[sdmvssp]

Nevermind, i missed the last paragraph. I take back what I said

[RaiderHater]

Many 49er STH'S paid a lot of money to have prime location seats transfered to them. They got great locations, but no senority when the seats were transfered. Now if the 49ers do as the CARDINALS did, you have the possibility that someone who's had nosebleed seats for 20 years moving to the 50 yard line. If I was one of those on the 50yard line who got 'bumped', I'd be P.O'ed!

I predict that it will be some type of senority based within certain areas. For example:
The Lower Box area would be sectioned off as follows: Between the 30's....between the 30's and the goal lines...endzones from corner to corner.

It's not going to be easy and not everyone will be happy.....that you can count on!


Yup that very well might happen. When people transfer seats they are notified that the seniority does not come with the rights. If you buy the Season Ticket Rights of someone who had seats in the 50 yard line for the last 30 years, the 30 year seniority is not transfered with the tickets. You will automatically become a 1st year season ticket holder, not a 30 year season ticket holder..


I think the 49ers will go with the least complicated way to distribute tickets. I think the easiest way would be to go by Seniority. Those who have been there longer, get to choose the seats first.

Some people might not want the prime seating areas in the 50 yard line. They might want something cheaper. Or similar to what they were paying at the old stadium.

[Iamavictory]

Wonder how they did it before when the niners move to Candlestick

They probably gave the seats away...

[DTuck16]

I heard most places go strictly by seniority. That sucks for me. Just got season last year. I probably wont be able to get seats like I have now.

[firekid0669]

I heard most places go strictly by seniority. That sucks for me. Just got season last year. I probably wont be able to get seats like I have now.

I am in your boat too. I just bought seats on LE 35 at a premium value and would hate to see a seat selection process striclty based on seniority because I would (possibly) get screwed. A selection by price range would be ideal however unlikely due to it's complexity and unfairness to those who do want to try and move over a few rows into a higher price bracket. Besides I have a feeling that the majority of seat prices are going to go up as so many more now have the great views in the lower bowl the Yorks are raving about.

[BrielleSF]

I think it would be fairest to use a combination of location and senority to sell the new tickets. For instance, my family has had tickets in our family since they played at Kezar. But in 1970, the tickets transfered to my father from my grandfather when he passed away. My brother and I have been paying for the tickets for years now, but the tickets are still in my dad's name PRECISELY because of senority. I have awesome seats in LR section 31 row 25. Now if people who sit next to me that have only had their tickets for the past 5 years get to pick before me, you bet I will be pi**ed!!!!!

[Iamavictory]

As I feel you would have every right to. Most things in this world work off senority, hopefully this will too....,

[History Horn]

And let's not forget those three little letter that will make this whole process even more interesting.

A person may have seniority. They may have paid their dues in transfer fees or by patiently relocating their seats year after year, but if they can't come up with the License fee for that section of the stadium....all bets are off.

The Cowboys new stadium looks like it will sport licenses that run in the 10-12 thousand dollars per seat range for upper deck between the thirties. Significantly more expensive than that for lower deck.

If the Niners do that, I may be sunk. I'm not sure I could hang onto all four of my seats at that steep of a price. I might have to trim back and maybe even settle for a cheaper location.

Go Niners

[ethanh]

10 to 12 grand per seat at the Cowboys stadium?:surrender:



BTW Wiz, waiting patiently for your Draft summary thread

[XRaguX]

I think it would be fairest to use a combination of location and senority to sell the new tickets. For instance, my family has had tickets in our family since they played at Kezar. But in 1970, the tickets transfered to my father from my grandfather when he passed away. My brother and I have been paying for the tickets for years now, but the tickets are still in my dad's name PRECISELY because of senority. I have awesome seats in LR section 31 row 25. Now if people who sit next to me that have only had their tickets for the past 5 years get to pick before me, you bet I will be pi**ed!!!!!

i'm pretty sure it's going to be based a lot on seniority.

Last year, my father-in-Law (Big Don for those of you from the 'V') died. He was the mainstay of a huge group of friends that has had tickets since Kezar.

We had planned on leaving the tickets in his name in memory of him but the ticket office advise otherwise. They told us that if (this was way before all the satdium plans had been annouced) there was a new stadium built, we'd have to show idenitifcation that matches the ticket holders name in order to maintain our seniority when it comes to picking seats.

I need to call the ticket office again for the latest update so I'll ask and confirm the process.

[XRaguX]

i'm pretty sure it's going to be based a lot on seniority.

Last year, my father-in-Law (Big Don for those of you from the 'V') died. He was the mainstay of a huge group of friends that has had tickets since Kezar.

We had planned on leaving the tickets in his name in memory of him but the ticket office advise otherwise. They told us that if (this was way before all the satdium plans had been annouced) there was a new stadium built, we'd have to show idenitifcation that matches the ticket holders name in order to maintain our seniority when it comes to picking seats.

I need to call the ticket office again for the latest update so I'll ask and confirm the process.

For us to transfer the name on the tickets, we need to get the transfer form (they'll mail it to you), provide a copy of the death certificate, have the executor (in this case my mother-in-law) sign the form with a notary. There's also a $10 transfer fee.

I also asked about the priority for seats in the new stadium and the person said that no plan has been released so all we can do at the moment is speculate.

[matineematt]

No sense getting worked up about speculation, right?

[FODY]

No sense getting worked up about speculation, right?

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[DTuck16]

Its funny how it is said that there will be more lower bowl seats in the new stadium. Why dont they just make a stadium like Lambeau Field and just have one big lower bowl with no second level!

[TheWiz]

Its funny how it is said that there will be more lower bowl seats in the new stadium. Why dont they just make a stadium like Lambeau Field and just have one big lower bowl with no second level!

Because it is more seats closer to the field that also sell at a cheaper price. If you want to expand Lambeau at all, a 'bigger bowl' means those in the back will be too far from the action. Not to mention it's hard architecturally to widen that 'bowl' because the bigger it gets the higher and heavier the back edge is. Need I remind people that the bay area doesn't exactly count as stable ground. It's easier to build a new level that actually provides more seats which are actually closer and largely sell for a cheaper price and are easy to market to casual fans.

[DTuck16]

Because it is more seats closer to the field that also sell at a cheaper price. If you want to expand Lambeau at all, a 'bigger bowl' means those in the back will be too far from the action. Not to mention it's hard architecturally to widen that 'bowl' because the bigger it gets the higher and heavier the back edge is. Need I remind people that the bay area doesn't exactly count as stable ground. It's easier to build a new level that actually provides more seats which are actually closer and largely sell for a cheaper price and are easy to market to casual fans. Seats in the lower bowl doesnt necessarily make it closer to the action. But you are right that its great marketing when it comes to casual and supposedly knowledgeable fans. Most people want to sit closer and see less of a view of the field.

[bandito28]

Since this is all just speculation until the actual criteria for who gets what seats in the new stadium come out - I'd like to see some combination of current location and senority, as well......

1) Offer everyone the chance to keep the seat that they have, if they pay the seat SBL. (I would guess that the inventory of seats in prime areas are going to go up in number, not down) Once that process is complete,

2) Have a round of seating upgrades based on senority - as long as the STH is willing to pay the SBL. The STH should also have the option to add 2 seats, if they wanted.

3) Open whatever seats that are left to the public.

This way, the people who have paid through the nose for good seats can keep them, the families that had to transfer ownership from father to son won't be penalized, and the 30 year STH can have the option to get his seats in a prime area if he wants.

[Local49ersFan]

And let's not forget those three little letter that will make this whole process even more interesting.

A person may have seniority. They may have paid their dues in transfer fees or by patiently relocating their seats year after year, but if they can't come up with the License fee for that section of the stadium....all bets are off.

The Cowboys new stadium looks like it will sport licenses that run in the 10-12 thousand dollars per seat range for upper deck between the thirties. Significantly more expensive than that for lower deck.

If the Niners do that, I may be sunk. I'm not sure I could hang onto all four of my seats at that steep of a price. I might have to trim back and maybe even settle for a cheaper location.

Go Niners


Does anybody know the details of the financial package to build the stadium? I read the Mercury news and remember seeing it mentioning some funds counted on issuing seat licenses. That will make a lot of people unhappy. I just hope if we have to buy them, it's not as high as that!

[RaiderHater]

Does anybody know the details of the financial package to build the stadium? I read the Mercury news and remember seeing it mentioning some funds counted on issuing seat licenses. That will make a lot of people unhappy. I just hope if we have to buy them, it's not as high as that!

This should have some answers...

http://www.supportourniners.com/FAQ.php

[Teke]

Anyone know how much the Cardinals are charged for their SBLs?

I sort of like the idea and then I don't. It depends on whether I can afford the SBLs or not. $12K is pretty steep. But say $4K per seat, that's not too bad for the chance to buy prime seats in a new stadium.

[MadCardDisease]

As mentioned before the Cardinals went through this last year. It was based totally on seniority. Plus you could only select as many seats as you had season tickets the previous year.

After everyone got their first choices then they started the process over for season ticket holders to add additional seats if they wanted.

I got my 2 seats the first go around in row 3 and added 4 more the second go around. Only problem is that they are about 16 rows apart. I could have moved my seats in row 3 up to row 19 but I didn't want to lose my great seats.

I have had season tickets since 1997. However in 2002 I didn't get season tickets because I was fighting cancer. So I lost most of my seniority. The entire bottom bowl was almost full by the time I picked the first time. :(

[MadCardDisease]

Anyone know how much the Cardinals are charged for their SBLs?

I sort of like the idea and then I don't. It depends on whether I can afford the SBLs or not. $12K is pretty steep. But say $4K per seat, that's not too bad for the chance to buy prime seats in a new stadium.

What is a SBL?

[Peter Proud]

What is a SBL?

Another component of this funding source would be the sale of Stadium Builders Licenses by the Stadium Authority. These transferable licenses would give fans the right to buy 49ers season tickets every year over the entire life of the new stadium, along with rights to tickets for other stadium special events. Revenue from the licenses would be used exclusively to fund and maintain the stadium with no proceeds going to the 49ers.

More complete info located here:

http://www.supportourniners.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=12

[MadCardDisease]

Another component of this funding source would be the sale of Stadium Builders Licenses by the Stadium Authority. These transferable licenses would give fans the right to buy 49ers season tickets every year over the entire life of the new stadium, along with rights to tickets for other stadium special events. Revenue from the licenses would be used exclusively to fund and maintain the stadium with no proceeds going to the 49ers.

More complete info located here:

http://www.supportourniners.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=12

Wow. Good Info, thanks!

Then for the previous poster, the Cardinals Season Ticket holders didn't have to pay for any SBLs or PSLs. We do have to pay a $5 stadium usage fee to the City of Glendale for each game which comes to $50 for the entire season. However that fee includes free parking in the stadium parking lots!

[MadCardDisease]

wow, free parking......thats amazing! the way it should be!

I know, we are lucky. We get one free parking pass for every 4 season tickets. I've got 6 season tickets so I get 2 free passes.

[TheWiz]

wow, free parking......thats amazing! the way it should be!

It's not that hard actually. Make friends with someone in Santa Clara. Then park at their place on gameday and talk a local bus to the stadium. Zero parking costs! Just a few bus tokens every year.

[Miguel]

I can park at work and walk over ;D

[smoking_rubber]

Upon the initial announcement, I heard PSLs would be in the 1000 to 1500 range for each seat. I hope it is not more.

Parking: That is going to be a HUGE issue in SC. You'll see.

[RaiderHater]

Upon the initial announcement, I heard PSLs would be in the 1000 to 1500 range for each seat. I hope it is not more.

Parking: That is going to be a HUGE issue in SC. You'll see.


They have not announced how much it would be.. Check out their website for the "Frequently Asked Questions"

They address some of the issues that STH's have.

http://www.supportourniners.com/FAQ.php

[Teke]

It's not that hard actually. Make friends with someone in Santa Clara. Then park at their place on gameday and talk a local bus to the stadium. Zero parking costs! Just a few bus tokens every year.

That defeats the purpose of free parking if you have to pay money to take a bus and then time to get to the stadium.

I like how Peter King put it, he calls it renting a rectangle of pavement. $25 to rent a rectangle of pavement for 3-4 hours...


How much were PSL's for Cardinals and other recent new stadiums?

[Miguel]

SBL...These transferable licenses would give their holders the right to buy 49ers season tickets every year over the entire life of the new stadium, along with rights to tickets for other stadium special events.

So with this could I buy in 2012, 2013 and not in 2014, then buy again in 2015?

[Eng74]

SBL...

So with this could I buy in 2012, 2013 and not in 2014, then buy again in 2015?

No it is like now, you buy the tickets each year or you will not have the seat. You just pay a lot to get the seat to begin with.

[Peter Proud]

SBL...

So with this could I buy in 2012, 2013 and not in 2014, then buy again in 2015?

No it is like now, you buy the tickets each year or you will not have the seat. You just pay a lot to get the seat to begin with.

Not exactly true, read this:


What is a Stadium Builders License (SBL)?
As part of the team’s financing proposal for a new stadium, season ticket holders will be asked to play a key role in building the best venue in the NFL. We recently announced that Stadium Builders Licenses (SBL) will be required in certain seating areas at the new stadium. These transferable licenses would give their holders the right to buy 49ers season tickets every year over the entire life of the new stadium, along with rights to tickets for other stadium special events. Existing 49ers ticket holders would be given the first opportunity to participate in this program and help support the construction of this new venue. We realize you likely have a lot of questions about the SBL program, but we must first reach a financing agreement with the City of Santa Clara or another Bay Area city before a comprehensive program can be developed. Thank you for your patience. We will be sure to share the latest information with you as we move forward.

This part in particular:

"We realize you likely have a lot of questions about the SBL program, but we must first reach a financing agreement with the City of Santa Clara or another Bay Area city before a comprehensive program can be developed. Thank you for your patience. We will be sure to share the latest information with you as we move forward."

A lot of questiions are addressed here:

http://www.supportourniners.com/FAQ.php

[Miguel]

I went to that site....that is where I got my quote from.

Seems that SBL can buy tickets anytime they want, but a STH needs to buy them every year to keep their seats.

[Peter Proud]

I went to that site....that is where I got my quote from.

Seems that SBL can buy tickets anytime they want, but a STH needs to buy them every year to keep their seats.

Honest to God, I think everyone wants to know exactly how it's going to work but I don't think that's going to happen until an agreement is in place. There is no clear, definite answer at this time.