Mel Kipers 4 round mock on espn.com.....

[49ER-EXTREMIST]

Here's Mel Kipers 4 round mock.Sorry if it was posted,but I didn't see it around.http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft07/insider/columns/story?columnist=kiper_jr_mel&id=2833079





Because it's on the espn-Insider,I don't know if all of you can see it.But these are the guy's he has us getting.




Picks.....


#11: DT/ Alan Branch

#42: LB/ David Harris

#76 OG/ Andy Alleman

#97: WR/ Paul Williams

#104: S/ Marvin White

#110: LB/ Brandon Siler

#124: RB/ Tony Hunt

#135: OT/ Allen Barbre





.......ahhhhh I don't know.I didn't like it.Mel STINKS!!!!

[Pound th' Rock]

I don't like Mel. I don't like his picks, and I don't like his reasons for us picking Branch. All of the reasons that he described for us to pick Branch are the reasons we SHOULD NOT pick him.

I will bet anyone that we don't select Alan Branch.

[49ER-EXTREMIST]

I don't like Mel. I don't like his picks, and I don't like his reasons for us picking Branch. All of the reasons that he described for us to pick Branch are the reasons we SHOULD NOT pick him.

I will bet anyone that we don't select Alan Branch.




I feel ya bro.The guy doesn't know $*it about what we really need and what coach Nolan and this teams about.If you see the total mock he has us passing on some gems in the 3rd and 4th rounds.

[49ers Ephon]

you guys must be trippin because that is a pretty awesome draft

[PA_NinersFan]

yea Hunt at #124 would be a steal, need another WR on that list though.

[Sac-King_916]

I feel ya bro.The guy doesn't know $*it about what we really need and what coach Nolan and this teams about.

:nolisten:

What would he know, he's only an expert. The guy watches film after film, he sees every player at the combine and pro day workouts , I mean it's his job to scout players. But I suppose you know more then Mel Kiper when it comes to scouting NFL prospects. Maybe one day we'll see you on TV my friend !

[daredevil2-5]

I like how the Falcons desperately need a DE and w/ 7 picks in the first four rounds he has us taking 0

[Nevyn]

Here's Mel Kipers 4 round mock.Sorry if it was posted,but I didn't see it around.http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft07/insider/columns/story?columnist=kiper_jr_mel&id=2833079





Because it's on the espn-Insider,I don't know if all of you can see it.But these are the guy's he has us getting.




Picks.....


#11: DT/ Alan Branch

#42: LB/ David Harris

#76 OG/ Andy Alleman

#97: WR/ Paul Williams

#104: S/ Marvin White

#110: LB/ Brandon Siler

#124: RB/ Tony Hunt

#135: OT/ Allen Barbre





.......ahhhhh I don't know.I didn't like it.Mel STINKS!!!!

Brandon Siler @ 110?

[DUNCAN51NICK]

Mel Kiper is only famous because of his Eddie Munster hair.

[49ers Ephon]

Brandon Siler @ 110?

yeah that is highway robbery

[49ersRus]

Picks.....
#11: DT/ Alan Branch - Big, Strong DE/DT. IMO a steal at #11
#42: LB/ David Harris - 34 ILB. Part of the tough Mich D.
#76 OG/ Andy Alleman - ???
#97: WR/ Paul Williams - Good measurables, has been productive, but heart?
#104: S/ Marvin White - Great Measureables, but very raw
#110: LB/ Brandon Siler - Hard Hitting 34 ILB - Won't drop this far IMO
#124: RB/ Tony Hunt - Power inside runner. Not a burner
#135: OT/ Allen Barbre - ???


This would be a pretty good draft for us defensively. Branch/Harris/Siler/White. I have a hard time believing Siler drops down to the 4th, but if he did, then wow! Two tremendous 34 ILB and a big, strong DL. Now if Williams starts to play to his measureables and potential, we would be in great shape.

[49ER-EXTREMIST]

you guys must be trippin because that is a pretty awesome draft







:falldownlaugh: First....he has us drafting "Branch".....WRONG!!!


In the 2nd round,I like Harris only if we draft Carriker.But he has us passing on guys in the 2nd round like Meriweather,Weddle,Woodley and Tyler.

In the 3rd round,he has us getting OT Andy Alleman.Passing on Ramirez,Quentin Moses,Ray McDonald and Abiamiri.

The 4th round,he has us passing on Josh Gattis,Jacoby Jones,Marcus Thomas and with our "LAST" pick in the 4th round,passing on CB: Daymeion Hugues for Allen Barbre.lol!!!!



Not good.Just MHO.:nonono:

[Sharktzu]

I don't have a whole lotta respect for Mel either, but that wouldn't be the worst draft ever. I'm not really in favor of drafting branch, but we could do worse than a 1 & 2 of Branch and Harris.

[mydedgerbil]

ya thats a great draft and all, but its just not gonna happen. if the draft played out like that id be just fine, in fact id be very happy. but i gaurantee you that this is not how it will pan out...not even close. we dont hate mel cuz of who we draft, its cuz of where we draft em

[49ers Ephon]

:falldownlaugh: First....he has us drafting "Branch".....WRONG!!!

why are you hating on branch. have you seen him play? he is a beast. I love this pick.

In the 2nd round,I like Harris only if we draft Carriker.But he has us passing on guys in the 2nd round like Meriweather,Weddle,Woodley and Tyler.

harris is one of the best ilb available, not to mention the bpa out of that group you just listed

In the 3rd round,he has us getting OT Andy Alleman.Passing on Ramirez,Quentin Moses,Ray McDonald and Abiamiri.

we need depth at o-line, that killed us last year, moses and others wouldn't fit in our 3-4 defense

The 4th round,he has us passing on Josh Gattis,Jacoby Jones,Marcus Thomas and with our "LAST" pick in the 4th round,passing on CB: Daymeion Hugues for Allen Barbre.lol!!!!

daymeion hughes? are you kidding me?

[coyote94]

i cant believe you guys can knock on mel kiper, the guy has one job only and that is to evaluate college prospects and teams that would look at them. Why do some of you feel he does not do a good job? although i think some of the picks arent quite what id like to see but maybe thats how things will pan out, not everything will be perfect.

[49ER-EXTREMIST]

:nolisten:

What would he know, he's only an expert. The guy watches film after film, he sees every player at the combine and pro day workouts , I mean it's his job to scout players. But I suppose you know more then Mel Kiper when it comes to scouting NFL prospects. Maybe one day we'll see you on TV my friend !




HEY!!!.....TOILET BUG!!!:angry:



I never said I know more about scouting players better then Mel.he is "hands down top 3 around" to do that.TRY READING MY FFFKKK-IN POST GOOD CHUMP!!!! I said,"he doesn't know what players this team needs like coach Nolan".


Let me ask you something boy???.......Do you think Mel Kiper watched all 16 games of the Niners this season like me,and spent hours ALL F-IN SEASON READING UP ON THE TEAM AND WHAT WE LACK AND NEED??? *****K NO!!!! That fool had us drafting Dwayne Jarrett at #11 for weeks and weeks.About 90% of us here knew from day 1,that wouldn't be happening.I'd rather trust some 15 year old,nose picking,nerd boy,geek,niners fan who knows this team inside and out then what player "Mel Kiper" thinks,after he watches a few hours of niner film.You think the man has the time to go back and watch EVERY F-IN GAME???Nahhhh....just a few hours.The man has 31 other teams to look into right dumb azzz.He'd never give this team the time of day like us fans.



Sooooo wise azzzz,he does without a doubt,know waaaaaaaaaaaay more then me on a players speed,weight,jock strap size and pet dogs name.But he don't know more then not only me,but us fans here what players this team needs.:bat: :angry:

[Viper]

I like many of the players such as Harris, Hunt, Silar etc. One player who seemed conspicuously absent was John Wendling. I would much prefer him to White. I also prefer Ramirez to Alleman.

[daredevil2-5]

Don't make EXTREMIST angry, he'll get Sheed on ya!

[Blue Bird]

Kiper is high. His draft for the Seahawks is:

2nd round - LaMarr Woodley, Michigan
3rd round - Clifton Ryan, Michigan State (???)
4th round - Michael Allen, Whitworth (???)

LaMarr Woodley maybe but the other two are ridiculous. He has us completely ignoring our most glaring need (OG) for the first four rounds. Then he's got us taking Clifton Ryan while Brandon Mebane is still on the board. He also has us passing up Manuel Ramirez with that pick. Then he has us reeeeaching for Michael Allen in the fourth as only the fourth TE off the board. I don't think so.

[TheWiz]

:nolisten:

What would he know, he's only an expert. The guy watches film after film, he sees every player at the combine and pro day workouts , I mean it's his job to scout players. But I suppose you know more then Mel Kiper when it comes to scouting NFL prospects. Maybe one day we'll see you on TV my friend !

Except he is accountable for nothing. Mel Kiper Jr. is a specialist commentator and nothing else! If he were that impressively well informed and insightful then he would have held and NFL job at some point. If his insights, which largely fall in line with other media outlets, were tracked, you'd know why he is a commentator only. Think bout it for half a second. Someone miraculously can predict everything that happens well and has never held and actual NFL job or perhaps he is terrible and knows less than most teams' front office.

Ladies and Gentlemen. Just close your eyes, make no noise, and say nothing and try to be silent. Turn around a half turn(180 degrees) and walk away from the hair...

[49ER-EXTREMIST]

You know what really get's me about Mel's pick of Branch for us:nonono: ............




Coach Nolan and co. have said time and time again,1,000,000 times......we'll draft the BPA that are "high character players who don't quit".WTF.....Mel himself says Branch is slinding because he lacks everything I just said,but ooohhhhhh the niners can't pass on him.Hmmmmmmm every team is down on Branch and his stock is free falling(by Kipers own words),and......"That's why the Niners will take him at 11 cause he's to good to pass up".Soooooo he's saying the niners are that ignorant and incompentent from the rest of the NFL????


Yah.....I like Mel's take on us and the draft.:whistling: :nonono: :shots:

[daredevil2-5]

LaMarr Woodley maybe but the other two are ridiculous. He has us completely ignoring our most glaring need (OG) for the first four rounds.See what I said about the Falcons. DE isn't our most glaring need, but its one of the top 3 and 2nd IMHO. With 7 picks over that timeframe he has us take not a 1. But he made sure we took Michael Bush :unsure:

[49ER-EXTREMIST]

Again,I just want to make this clear....I respect and look forward to what Mel has to say about how good a player is and how they did at the combine and what's the players fav food or color.Other then that.......he knows what a teams needs are just the same as my mom.

[baller3147]

toilet bug? are you serious?

[SF85-8917]

you guys must be trippin because that is a pretty awesome draft

Ya I have seen worse. I would feel alright about this one.

[knightdreamer]

You know what really get's me about Mel's pick of Branch for us:nonono: ............




Coach Nolan and co. have said time and time again,1,000,000 times......we'll draft the BPA that are "high character players who don't quit".WTF.....Mel himself says Branch is slinding because he lacks everything I just said,but ooohhhhhh the niners can't pass on him.Hmmmmmmm every team is down on Branch and his stock is free falling(by Kipers own words),and......"That's why the Niners will take him at 11 cause he's to good to pass up".Soooooo he's saying the niners are that ignorant and incompentent from the rest of the NFL????


Yah.....I like Mel's take on us and the draft.:whistling: :nonono: :shots:


Motivation and dedication are key elements to a character profile. There is no automatic switch to turn these on when a player enters the NFL. In my mind this eliminates both Branch and Williams...

[94949'er]

an awful lot of WR's will go before Paul Williams. He had us taking Jarrett at #11 last month. and now we're waiting until our 4th pick to grab one? doesn't make sense.

[covedawgste8484]

See what I said about the Falcons. DE isn't our most glaring need, but its one of the top 3 and 2nd IMHO. With 7 picks over that timeframe he has us take not a 1. But he made sure we took Michael Bush :unsure:
just wondering what does the H stand for (In My ??? Opinion)

[sfgold]

Here's Mel Kipers 4 round mock.Sorry if it was posted,but I didn't see it around.http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft07/insider/columns/story?columnist=kiper_jr_mel&id=2833079





Because it's on the espn-Insider,I don't know if all of you can see it.But these are the guy's he has us getting.




Picks.....


#11: DT/ Alan Branch

#42: LB/ David Harris

#76 OG/ Andy Alleman

#97: WR/ Paul Williams

#104: S/ Marvin White

#110: LB/ Brandon Siler

#124: RB/ Tony Hunt

#135: OT/ Allen Barbre




.......ahhhhh I don't know.I didn't like it.Mel STINKS!!!!first two are reasonable, but where are the receivers? why 2 olinemens. marvin white? siler will be long gone, i prefer m-rob over tony hunt. kiper sucks.

[Bdogg]

just wondering what does the H stand for (In My ??? Opinion)

It stand for honest "In My Honest Opinion".

As far as Mel's draft, it was stated earlier that he reallly doesn't address needs. To me, it appears he doesn't research a teams needs as much as he researches a players stats/abilities/faults. The guy gives a great analysis on a particular player but when it comes to a mock, he is pretty much doing what every other "draft expert" does, guess which player is going where. I do not fault him for that as most of us or any fan tries their best to logically place a player to a team. I personally think what makes this time before the draft fun is the chance to see what other people are thinking/hoping.

[49ER-EXTREMIST]

Again!!!!.....Mel Kiper's,drum roll please...............TOP 25 BIG BOARD POST 3/12...........








1. Calvin Johnson*, WR, Georgia Tech (6-4, 225) | previous: Same
He's not only a tremendous athlete, but he's a hard worker and very team oriented. Based on the needs of the Raiders and Lions, Johnson might not be the No. 1 overall pick, but he won't fall out of the top five.


2. Joe Thomas, OT, Wisconsin (6-6½, 313) | previous: Same
Huge, quick and athletic with a long wingspan.


3. Adrian Peterson*, RB, Oklahoma (6-1½, 218) | previous: Same
The most talented running back in the draft with an excellent burst to the outside for his size. The concern with Peterson is his durability.


4. JaMarcus Russell*, QB, LSU (6-6, 260) | previous: Same
Big, strong signal caller with a powerful arm, and his decision-making improved significantly in 2006.


5. Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame (6-3½, 225) | previous: Same
Poised, smart and at his best in pressure situations. Quinn did throw two interceptions in the Sugar Bowl after throwing just one INT in his previous eight games.


6. LaRon Landry, DB, LSU (6-1½, 205) | previous: Same
Four-year starter who has proven to be Mr. Reliable throughout his career.


7. Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville (6-1½, 298) | previous: Same
A four-year veteran, and he is only 19 years old. Okoye is quick and explosive and goes all-out on every play. He is not only good at eating up space but also gets good penetration into the backfield.


8. Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson (6-4½, 260) | previous: Same
Flashes dominating ability with his athleticism and quickness. Adams led the Tigers with 10½ sacks and 15½ tackles for loss.


9. Leon Hall, CB, Michigan (5-11, 193) | previous: Same
Tough customer who also shows very good anticipation and awareness in coverage.


10. Jamaal Anderson*, DE, Arkansas (6-5, 270) | previous: 16
A gifted athlete who is coming off an exceptional 2006 season. Anderson is a complete player, equally solid against the run and as a pass rusher.


11. Greg Olsen*, Miami, TE (6-5, 254) | previous: Same
His performance at the combine should move Olsen up to the middle of the first round. Great hands and very athletic, Olsen reminds me of Baltimore Ravens tight end Todd Heap.


12. Patrick Willis, LB, Mississippi (6-2, 235) | previous: 15
Tackling machine with great football sense. Willis lead the Rebels with 137 tackles (87 solo).


13. Adam Carriker, DE, Nebraska (6-6, 298) | previous: 17
You don't see many defensive ends carrying 300 pounds who can move as well as Carriker.


14. Jarvis Moss*, DE, Florida (6-5, 250) | previous: 24
Speed rusher who is also excellent in pursuit, using his lateral quickness to chase down running plays before they can amount to anything.



15. Ted Ginn Jr.*, WR, Ohio State (5-11, 175) | previous: 10
Takes a backseat to no one in the speed department, brings a big-play dimension to the wide receiver position and also the return game.


16. Marshawn Lynch*, RB, California (5-11, 224) | previous: 20
Complete big back, right on the heels of Adrian Peterson when it comes to who will be the top RB in the draft.


17. Levi Brown, OT, Penn St. (6-4½, 325) | previous: 12
Steady and reliable at protecting the quarterback's blind side.


18. Lawrence Timmons*, LB, Florida St. (6-2¼, 233) | previous: Unranked
Moves right to the top of a very subpar linebacking group, particularly from the senior class. Timmons' production and consistency from game to game are what jumps out at you.


19. Joe Staley, OT, Central Michigan (6-5½, 300) | previous: 13
He's a former tight end who has developed into a natural left tackle. Staley brings incredible footwork, athleticism and agility to the position.


20. Ben Grubbs, OG, Auburn (6-3, 300) | previous: 21
A versatile athlete who started his career at defensive tackle and then shifted to tight end. Grubbs brings a great deal of athletic ability to the interior of the offensive line.


21. Paul Posluszny, LB, Penn St. (6-1½, 235) | previous: 25
A productive and consistent player who studies and prepares as thoroughly as anybody.


22. Ryan Kalil, C, USC (6-3, 285) | previous: Unranked
Game improved dramatically thanks in part to facing great competition in practice.


23. Arron Sears, OL, Tennessee (6-4, 320) | previous: Unranked
He played both guard and tackle in college and will give a team some versatility along the offensive line.


24. Tony Ugoh, OT, Arkansas (6-5, 305) | previous: Unranked
Athletically gifted left tackle with a tremendous amount of upside.


25. Dwayne Bowe, WR, LSU (6-2, 217) | previous: 19
Big and productive, Bowe runs excellent routes and has the toughness to catch the ball in traffic.








Did anyone see Branch's name in "Mel's" top 25 players???? I don't know,mybe I need glasses???:wacko:




But oh yah,sure thing Mel.We'll draft a guy at #11 that you don't even have rated in yo "TOP 25".Sounds good to me.LET'S GET BRANCH!!! LETS GET BRANCH!!!!!:shots: :falldownlaugh:

[Sac-King_916]

HEY!!!.....TOILET BUG!!!:angry:



I never said I know more about scouting players better then Mel.he is "hands down top 3 around" to do that.TRY READING MY FFFKKK-IN POST GOOD CHUMP!!!! I said,"he doesn't know what players this team needs like coach Nolan".


Let me ask you something boy???.......Do you think Mel Kiper watched all 16 games of the Niners this season like me,and spent hours ALL F-IN SEASON READING UP ON THE TEAM AND WHAT WE LACK AND NEED??? *****K NO!!!! That fool had us drafting Dwayne Jarrett at #11 for weeks and weeks.About 90% of us here knew from day 1,that wouldn't be happening.I'd rather trust some 15 year old,nose picking,nerd boy,geek,niners fan who knows this team inside and out then what player "Mel Kiper" thinks,after he watches a few hours of niner film.You think the man has the time to go back and watch EVERY F-IN GAME???Nahhhh....just a few hours.The man has 31 other teams to look into right dumb azzz.He'd never give this team the time of day like us fans.



Sooooo wise azzzz,he does without a doubt,know waaaaaaaaaaaay more then me on a players speed,weight,jock strap size and pet dogs name.But he don't know more then not only me,but us fans here what players this team needs.:bat: :angry:



I personally like Mike Mayock better, However I still disagree w/ you. I could care less how many games you've watched, I'm pretty sure Mel Kiper has more inside than a mere fan. I also believe he has more knowledge of what the team needs than you do.

[TheNextDynasty]

Just a heads up, Kiper is known to make crazy moves with his big board and mocks in the weeks/months leading up to the draft. He'll move a 3rd rounder into the top 25 or he'll drop a guy like Branch off his big board completely. He does this so that during the draft, if there is a surprise and someone like Steve Smith goes in the first round, he can say, "I had this guy as a mid first rounder in one of my earlier mocks." He's had about 60 or so players in his first round. It's just a ploy to cover his butt on draft day.

His mock that comes out on the Friday before the draft is the only one that counts. That's when he puts his true mock together.

[49ER-EXTREMIST]

I personally like Mike Mayock better, However I still disagree w/ you. I could care less how many games you've watched, I'm pretty sure Mel Kiper has more inside than a mere fan. I also believe he has more knowledge of what the team needs than you do.





Well I agree to disagree.Like I said SacSoldier,Mel know it and is the man as far as scouting players.But as far as him making a "Mock Draft"for the niners it would be no diffrent from a cowboys fan making "our" mock draft.And I'm not a "mere" fan.I like the term FANATIC.Big difference.That's just MHO.Nuff said,sorry if you feel diffrent.

[Sac-King_916]

Well I agree to disagree.Like I said SacSoldier,Mel know it and is the man as far as scouting players.But as far as him making a "Mock Draft"for the niners it would be no diffrent from a cowboys fan making "our" mock draft.And I'm not a "mere" fan.I like the term FANATIC.Big difference.That's just MHO.Nuff said,sorry if you feel diffrent.

That's your opinion ... It's all good man.

[49ER-EXTREMIST]

That's your opinion ... It's all good man.

Coool.Take care.:cowboy1:

[ClassicFan]

Hey SacSoldier, you are right, Kiper knows players, he breaks them down all off season. Unfortunately, he has no idea what the 49ers organization is thinking. We've had productive drafts now 2 straight years, and the experts, namely Mel Kiper, failed miserably on who we would or should pick. They don't begin to have a handle on Nolan's philosophy or our team needs. Look for them to fail again...MISERABLY......I like either ILB Patrick Willis or DE Adam Carriker as our #1 with a personal preference of Willis because our inside backers are slow and hurting. Outside of that, just give me some guys who will load the wagon baby! :football:

[Sac-King_916]

Hey SacSoldier, you are right, Kiper knows players, he breaks them down all off season. Unfortunately, he has no idea what the 49ers organization is thinking. We've had productive drafts now 2 straight years, and the experts, namely Mel Kiper, failed miserably on who we would or should pick. They don't begin to have a handle on Nolan's philosophy or our team needs. Look for them to fail again...MISERABLY......I like either ILB Patrick Willis or DE Adam Carriker as our #1 with a personal preference of Willis because our inside backers are slow and hurting. Outside of that, just give me some guys who will load the wagon baby! :football:


Niiice ... :go9ers:

[Sac-King_916]

My :two cents: :

Kiper may be innacurate, but honestly it's pretty hard to project an entire mock draft, let alone the first couple rounds. I mean teams make last minute decisions rather often. Kiper scouts talent and his mocks are based off teams holes and needs. If a team has a certain player ranked higher then others they are obviously going to try to keep that hidden. I'm not saying Mel Kiper is a god when it comes to to the Draft, what I'am saying is he does a fairly good job at it and possibly deserves a break.

Personally I like Mike Mayock, I think he's probably the best when it comes to knowing what college player is the best fit for each system. He's knows the NFL teams and what schemes they run rather well, so as for the whole Draft projections, scouting prospects, who fits where best situation, I'll take him. :wink:

[49ersRus]

Earlier today Kiper talked about the niners on ESPN. He thinks there is a good chance we will trade up from the 2nd round to late 1st round and try to get an impact WR. He mentioned Bowe as an option for us. He doesn't think we will get a top tier WR sitting were we are at in the 2nd round.

At least he thinks we need an impact DE at #11, and an impact WR as our two top priorities. Maybe he has been reading our mb's lately!

[Kenage]

The only pick I like is Paul Williams. I will give Kiper a lot of credit with his memory. He remembers a lot of basic info about a lot of players. That is one thing I do like about Kiper.

[knightdreamer]

The only pick I like is Paul Williams. I will give Kiper a lot of credit with his memory. He remembers a lot of basic info about a lot of players. That is one thing I do like about Kiper.

Cheat sheets will help anyones memory!

[Nevyn]

Here's Mel Kipers 4 round mock.Sorry if it was posted,but I didn't see it around.http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft07/insider/columns/story?columnist=kiper_jr_mel&id=2833079





Because it's on the espn-Insider,I don't know if all of you can see it.But these are the guy's he has us getting.




Picks.....


#11: DT/ Alan Branch

#42: LB/ David Harris

#76 OG/ Andy Alleman

#97: WR/ Paul Williams

#104: S/ Marvin White

#110: LB/ Brandon Siler

#124: RB/ Tony Hunt

#135: OT/ Allen Barbre





.......ahhhhh I don't know.I didn't like it.Mel STINKS!!!!

Pretty decent haul actually. I'm not a huge Branch fan and the DE/Nt argument's been done, but if Nolan liked him enough to pick him, I'd trust his judgement, because my questions about him are about character and wrok ethic, not talent.

And the rest of the draft is pretty solid, if not exactly realistic. We get Harris AND Siler, a decent OG with a year to develop him, a WR with upside, as well as long shot at OT and a good backup RB who could take a big workload if Gore got hurt.

We address all our needs and get a fair bit of talent. Not the best in the world, but not awful by any stretch. Compare it to the other multi-round mocks that have us doing things like taking 2 corners, and the actually makes a lot of sense.

[gnoix]

I like the pick with Paul Williams only to be honest. Good receiver and is kind of a local guy. Had pretty good years at Fresno State except this past season due to injuries though. Here is a video of him before this past season with Fresno State.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOyYVnN4bTs

[DraconisRex]

Again,I just want to make this clear....I respect and look forward to what Mel has to say about how good a player is and how they did at the combine and what's the players fav food or color.Other then that.......he knows what a teams needs are just the same as my mom.

I don't. Mel Kiper doesn't scout. Everything that comes out of his mouth is put there by scouts and personnel men; many of whom, frankly, lie to him in order to influence the perception of players in the draft. But as for first hand, ""I've scouted these players and know what I'm talking" analysis.

Not a chance.

He's nothing more than a busy-body who's made gossip a cottage industry. He makes a lot of money. He's entertaining. He's got a following of people who can't measure how poorly he performs and thus think he's got something going. And he does, by position of what he does, get some good tips (along with the garbage he spews) so you can learn something (but you have to be very careful).

So, I say, good for Mel Kiper. He's made a career out of being a draft-trivia geek. And I'm happy for him. Very few people get to make a lucrative career out of their obsessions.

But he's laughable to rely on in any kind of original, accurate player assessment. May as well cut-and-paste from any hack's $7.95 draft guide and pretend to be an expert. (Like many on this site do, btw.)

[DraconisRex]

Cheat sheets will help anyones memory!

No, he really is like that. He will memorize every trivial fact about a player that is known. That's how he actually got the gig with ESPN. He impressed some NFL GM with his trivia and the guy recommended Kiper start a draft service.

Still doesn't make him a scout.

[49ER-EXTREMIST]

I don't. Mel Kiper doesn't scout. Everything that comes out of his mouth is put there by scouts and personnel men; many of whom, frankly, lie to him in order to influence the perception of players in the draft. But as for first hand, ""I've scouted these players and know what I'm talking" analysis.

Not a chance.

He's nothing more than a busy-body who's made gossip a cottage industry. He makes a lot of money. He's entertaining. He's got a following of people who can't measure how poorly he performs and thus think he's got something going. And he does, by position of what he does, get some good tips (along with the garbage he spews) so you can learn something (but you have to be very careful).

So, I say, good for Mel Kiper. He's made a career out of being a draft-trivia geek. And I'm happy for him. Very few people get to make a lucrative career out of their obsessions.

But he's laughable to rely on in any kind of original, accurate player assessment. May as well cut-and-paste from any hack's $7.95 draft guide and pretend to be an expert. (Like many on this site do, btw.)





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