Hunters Point plan given the go-ahead

[Damien]

http://www.examiner.com/a-730792~Hunters_Point_plan_given_the_go_ahead.html


Well, looks like San Francisco is trying to get their stuff together to keep the 49ers in SF.


IMo I do not like the set up, there is only one way in and one way out...so there would be hella traffic on gameday.

Plus like the FO has said, a huge parking garage isnt ideal because it would cause way to many headaches for the fans and everyone else.

[Ness]

The only plus side about this thing is that the 49ers will still be in SF. A new stadium that could be accessed easily was a great idea.

[Colonel Sanders]

Supervisors Chris Daly and Ed Jew voted against the resolution.

“This is the most enormous redevelopment project ever undertaken by The City,” Jew said. “I am not convinced that diverting property tax from an area this large to the redevelopment agency makes sense.”



I just thought it was kind of ironic how some guy named Jew voted against the proposal, because it would take away from the city's revenue. Im not trying to be mean, but it was kind of funny

[ethanh]

http://www.examiner.com/a-730792~Hunters_Point_plan_given_the_go_ahead.html
IMo I do not like the set up, there is only one way in and one way out...so there would be hella traffic on gameday.

Thanks for the post it should be in the stadium board but....

Anyway, how do you know there is only entrance to the stadium lot? The article says nothing about that.
In my mind it looks like there will be the same number as the old stadium which includes 3 (South Freeway, 3rd Street Bus entrance and Paul Ave.
Now adding the other side of the Hunters Point hill there is a major road where Cesar Chaves street goes to the 280 and 80 freeways.

[samer]

I refuse to step foot in hunters point.

[sandiegojoe]

looks like a nightmare to get in and out of there. You'd be better off taking a jetski to games.

[Niner Jan]

Hunters Point is where all the Navy pollution is, I believe. Do you want our Niners and your families to be exposed to all that contamination? That was the mayor's last straw to stop the 49ers from leaving his city's area.

SF didn't fix the problems of Candlestick all these past years (decade), and now they want to move the team too the Navy's polluted dump site?

PLEASE! No favors...:pirate2: :lightning: :ninercaphell: :pirate:

[sandiegojoe]

Hunters Point is where all the Navy pollution is, I believe. Do you want our Niners and your families to be exposed to all that contamination? That was the mayor's last straw to stop the 49ers from leaving his city's area.

SF didn't fix the problems of Candlestick all these past years (decade), and now they want to move the team too the Navy's polluted dump site?


Jan, that's not the argument you want to use. Nobody would be exposed to any contaminants. The whole site would be mitigated and capped to protect human health before any construction would be allowed. This is the field I work in, and that's just how it works. ANY site can be cleaned up and made safe for residential and recreational use.

The problem isn't cleaning the site. The problem is the amount of time it will take to clean it. IMO it would likely take a decade to get all the cleanup done. The odds of the city of SF successfully fast-tracking a superfund site and successfully cleaning up soil, soil gas, groundwater and bay sediment in some sort of shortened time-frame are near-impossible. It'd be a long drawn-out investigation and cleanup. It'd be a logistical nightmare to plan it out in any sort of orderly fashion.

[Nevyn]

ANY site can be cleaned up and made safe for residential and recreational use.


I'm sure 3 mile island would give York a real sweetheart deal.

[49ers Ephon]

I'm sure 3 mile island would give York a real sweetheart deal.

NO WAY!!!! Chernoble is a much better site

[TheWiz]

Hunters point has already been pitched heavily to the team and the tema did it's own studies on the site long before they chose to go to Santa Clara as the top option. The Hunters Point Project is a residential project and a nice piece of city planning but it has little to do with the stadium. The company we had hired to work on proposals for the site saw the opportunity to make a buck by pitching the deal without a stadium. As has been stressed by the city itself, whether or not the team agrees to put in a stadium on the site the dela will go foreward.

Am I the only one who doesn't like that idea? I mean, the site itself has plenty of problems, lots of which would need to be addressed in order to add a good stadium on the site. The plumming and electrical needs of a stadium alone will be more than the housing projects to be built, which would require a lot of underground work on utility lines into a polluted soil. That's infrastructure that won't be easy to lay. To to mention you'd expect some widening of streets, a large-scale adjustment of local traffic in order to handle game patrons. The fact that whether the site becomes a seaside park for painters or an NFL stadium ignores the fact that the two are not interchangable. A walking park and a stadium don't have the same utility, road, and space demands.

Lastly the problems of timing of cleanup poses problems. All it takes is one shaky groundwater test to cause serious delays, cost overruns, and a disaster. Given how a calendar year delay can cost as much as 20M-30M due to inflation of costs, extension costs of labor contracts, permit extension costs to the city, etc. Not to mention the cities claim that "lots of patrons could easily filter through downtown streets" is a joke. A majority of game-goers come from outside the city and will went to get onto highways, not travel through the middle of a city to reach a smaller outlet.

If Hunter's Point was a site that could be cleaned by the end of '08, double-checked soup to nuts all of '09 to verify its cleanliness and it came with a much better traffic situation, then we'd be taking a closer look.

[sandiegojoe]

If Hunter's Point was a site that could be cleaned by the end of '08, double-checked soup to nuts all of '09 to verify its cleanliness and it came with a much better traffic situation, then we'd be taking a closer look.

Yep, and that’s the prob with environmental cleanups… Nobody can give you an exact deadline. Contaminated soil may be found in a boring 2 inches away from a clean boring, contaminated groundwater plumes migrate with time and tidal influence, contaminated soil gas concentrations vary based on barometric pressure, soil types, weather conditions, etc... It's a bunch of moving targets that you deal with as you find them.

One day it looks like you have all of the contamination delineated, and the next day you find out you have a new problem. It’s a lot of trial and error. Sampling and verifying, treatment, removal, confirmation…. Failures, more treatment, more removals….etc .

And Hunters Point is a huuuuge property, there are gonna be all sorts of unknown issues popping up. The city should attempt to clean it up and THEN sell it for whatever purposes. It just seems to me that it’d be a huge nightmare for any sports team to plan their future on an unknown timeframe.

[DavisNiner]

Jan, that's not the argument you want to use. Nobody would be exposed to any contaminants. The whole site would be mitigated and capped to protect human health before any construction would be allowed. This is the field I work in, and that's just how it works. ANY site can be cleaned up and made safe for residential and recreational use.

The problem isn't cleaning the site. The problem is the amount of time it will take to clean it. IMO it would likely take a decade to get all the cleanup done. The odds of the city of SF successfully fast-tracking a superfund site and successfully cleaning up soil, soil gas, groundwater and bay sediment in some sort of shortened time-frame are near-impossible. It'd be a long drawn-out investigation and cleanup. It'd be a logistical nightmare to plan it out in any sort of orderly fashion.

Thanks for lending your expertise on this San Diego. I really can't see how this can be considered an option if we want to see a new Stadium anytime in the next decade. I know my father has overseen chemical waste cleanups and even the smallest area is a pain. It is good for the city to face this problem head on and renovate Hunter's Point, but I just don't see how it would be in the team's interest. I'm all for the 49ers staying in SF if the city offers them something reasonable, but they shouldn't feel handcuffed to a site because of their history. Many teams play outside their respective cities and there are fans throughout the Bay Area that will support them.

[Iamavictory]

No offense to anyone, but I find it truly amazing that some of these ideas are STILL being kicked around. This team and its fans have been waiting long enough. Way too long. Quit screwing around and build the stadium all of us expect and deserve.

[49er Faithful]

I refuse to step foot in hunters point.

well nice to see your still the beautiful ray of sunlight on the MB

:banned:

[syxxpac623]

I hope they move to santa clara. It will benefit 49ers fans. And that is why it's being built in the first place. SF just want the stadium to raise property value and to help "clean up" bad areas, such was the case with PAC BELL, and turn them into commerce areas.

[49Faithful]

There is two parts to game day

First part: Tailgating

Second part: Game

Take tailgating away and its half as fun plus add in traffic headaches. I think SF needs to stop being all about the money and start showing the football fans the respect WE deserve. They want us to spend ALL our money on game day I think they look at it like if we are stuck in traffic we will just time at their shopping mall before or after the game. They need to get a grip!!

[Peter Proud]

S.F. is unhappy because most of the tailgaters don't buy the stuff they need in S.F., we bring it with us. Besides, are their even any stores by the current stadium?

[49Faithful]

S.F. is unhappy because most of the tailgaters don't buy the stuff they need in S.F., we bring it with us. Besides, are their even any stores by the current stadium?

I go shopping during the week and get everything ready the night before the game there is no point to gettng stuff in SF. I do how ever go to The crap shack after the game so SF does still make money. They need to stop tring to force us to spend thou its B/S.