John Gruden: Good Coach or Bad Coach?

[BigB_85]

What do you guys think? Because there is/was a debate going in another that brought up how good of a coach Gruden is, and it got me thinking. Honestly I think he has done pretty poor the past couple, and I don't think he is a good coach, but then again, he has been to two SB's winning one of them. So was he a good coach but has since lost his touch?

[majesstik1]

He wore a visor in a terenchal snow storm to have his head snowed on just to keep his image going. He's a decent coach, but c'mon man...it's okay to wear a full hat in that kind of weather...you'll still be 'Chucky".

[BigB_85]

He wore a visor in a terenchal snow storm to have his head snowed on just to keep his image going. He's a decent coach, but c'mon man...it's okay to wear a full hat in that kind of weather...you'll still be 'Chucky".

:laugh:

[49ers 4 Life]

I think John Gruden is a good coach the guy devotes most of his life into football,as i remember a couple of seasons ago nfl films were filming a day in life of a football coach and they followed him.The guy goes to work at 4:30am during football season and he even says a typical worker work 40 hours a week but a football coach works 60-70 hours a week if you don't call that dedication to his position as a head coach i don't know what to call that.

[daredevil2-5]

He was a good coach but the age and injuries on that team plus his insistence upon running things his way haven't helped them. Still that, SB appearance and the division title in 2005 will give him this season to get the team back into contending shape.

[BigB_85]

He was a good coach but the age and injuries on that team plus his insistence upon running things his way haven't helped them. Still that, SB appearance and the division title in 2005 will give him this season to get the team back into contending shape.

So what happens if Gruden takes the L this season

[daredevil2-5]

So what happens if Gruden takes the L this season
I'll be happy :wheel:

[RedskinsFan86]

He was hired by the Bucs to bring them a great offense right?

Since then, the offense has been: 24th (Super Bowl year), 11th, 21st, 23rd, and 31st. The QB position has been a constant source of turnover, and they never address their horrendous offensive line. The whole team is based on Kiffin's defense. I think overall he's a pretty average head coach. Depending on Petrino working out in Atlanta, Gruden's definitely looking right now like maybe the worst coach in the NFC South.

I also hear my Bucs friends (all 3 of them anyway) complaining about him and Bruce Allen all the time.

[majesstik1]

he won a superbowl so he is atleast decent.

He won a Superbowl with a team he didn't build, and against the team he knew most how to beat. Pretty weak if you ask me.

[krowleey]

he won a superbowl so he is atleast decent.

he didnt win squat, that was handed to him. Gruden sucks im glad he is where he is.

[Adrian]

that team may not have been built by him......but the other team he did play against in that SB WAS built by him.


He's a great coach with no offensive talent and an aging defense. Give him 2 more years and he'll make them a contender.

[RedskinsFan86]

He's a great coach with no offensive talent and an aging defense. Give him 2 more years and he'll make them a contender. Yeah but how many years has he had to start to really turn over that defense or bring in great offensive talent, and he hasn't? Or the continuous switching of QB's? Drafts a good running back like Cadillac but doesn't fix that offensive line.

I'd be interested to see a full draft list/FA list under Gruden since he's been there, just to see what kinds of moves he's been making to help improve the team. It just never seems like the Bucs do anything to really improve themselves in the offseasons, but then again it's not like I check their website everyday looking for news, so maybe I'm just missing stuff.

[BrentJones84]

I think he was a good coach, but the Super Bowl win went to his head, and he's lost all sense of what makes a team since then.

He did good with the Raiders. He won with the Bucs, although it wasn't his team, he still helped.

But since then??

He cut/traded most of the guys who helped him win, calling a lot of players "old" and then signed several other "old" players, just to replace them a year later.

And he goes through QBs like most kids go through trading cards.
Brad Johnson,
Rob Johnson,
Shawn King,
Griese
Chirs Simms
Luke McCown
drafting Bruce Gradkowski,
Signed some kid named Bruce Eugene
Trading for Jake Plummer
And then signing Jeff Garcia.

The guy clearly doesn't have a clue as to what he's trying to do, and has no concept of team chemistry.

I think the SB experience scambled his brain.

[ninerfaninTB]

I think he was a good coach, but the Super Bowl win went to his head, and he's lost all sense of what makes a team since then.

He did good with the Raiders. He won with the Bucs, although it wasn't his team, he still helped.

But since then??

He cut/traded most of the guys who helped him win, calling a lot of players "old" and then signed several other "old" players, just to replace them a year later.

And he goes through QBs like most kids go through trading cards.
Brad Johnson,
Rob Johnson,
Shawn King,
Griese
Chirs Simms
Luke McCown
drafting Bruce Gradkowski,
Signed some kid named Bruce Eugene
Trading for Jake Plummer
And then signing Jeff Garcia.

The guy clearly doesn't have a clue as to what he's trying to do, and has no concept of team chemistry.

I think the SB experience scambled his brain.
just to add to your list: Tim Rattay

i live in tampa and it is pretty split down the middle of his popularity. IMO, he is a good coach. many people forget that the old GM Rich McKay left that team in cap hell. my cousin who is a bucs fan said it best: the bucs have been shopping at walmart but now are able to shop at macy's. in other words, since bruce allen has been there, he has had no money to go out and spend to get good players. this year will be a deciding factor IMO for gruden. but as of right now i think he is a good coach.

[BrentJones84]

just to add to your list: Tim Rattay

i live in tampa and it is pretty split down the middle of his popularity. IMO, he is a good coach. many people forget that the old GM Rich McKay left that team in cap hell. my cousin who is a bucs fan said it best: the bucs have been shopping at walmart but now are able to shop at macy's. in other words, since bruce allen has been there, he has had no money to go out and spend to get good players. this year will be a deciding factor IMO for gruden. but as of right now i think he is a good coach.

I knew I didn't name all the QBs Gruden has gone through, but I can't believe I forgot Timmy.

And I think part of their cap problem is all the players Gruden signs and then cuts.

[RedskinsFan86]

I think he was a good coach, but the Super Bowl win went to his head, and he's lost all sense of what makes a team since then.
He did good with the Raiders. He won with the Bucs, although it wasn't his team, he still helped.
But since then??
He cut/traded most of the guys who helped him win, calling a lot of players "old" and then signed several other "old" players, just to replace them a year later.
And he goes through QBs like most kids go through trading cards.
Brad Johnson,
Rob Johnson,
Shawn King,
Griese
Chirs Simms
Luke McCown
drafting Bruce Gradkowski,
Signed some kid named Bruce Eugene
Trading for Jake Plummer
And then signing Jeff Garcia.
The guy clearly doesn't have a clue as to what he's trying to do, and has no concept of team chemistry.
I think the SB experience scambled his brain. Pretty much what I've been trying to say, just more thought out and much better stated. I'd say outside of the Raiders, the Bucs are probably the most confused and scrambled franchise in the NFL. It just seems like they have no idea what they're doing direction-wise, year after year, whether it's the draft or free agency.

I think the heat is on for Gruden this year- anything less than 7-9 or maybe even 8-8 (although in the NFC, that could be enough to make the playoffs so who knows) and he could be out of a job.

[sandiegojoe]

Gruden is pretty mediocre. His BIGGEST problem is the Qbcarousel. He gets garbage QBs (Simms, Gradowski) and refuses to get a franchise QB (Hell they should have drafted one finally) Hell, they get garcia who is on his last legs.. so even if they do succeed, their succes won't last.

He could learn a lot from Nolan. The first thing Nolan did was clean house and get a franchise QB. (Now whether Alex pans out or not is up for debate) it was a ballsy but necessary move.

Gruden inherited the Bucs and has just been managing them ever since. He isn't building them towards anything.. if anything they're getting worse. I checked out the bucs board when everyone was hating griese, then they were hating simms, then they were hating gradowski.. FInally they started praising rattay 3 games before his contract was up.

Those fans are miserable over there. Reminds me of the Erickson days here.

[Finer9rFan]

he didnt win squat, that was handed to him. Gruden sucks im glad he is where he is.


Ah...yeah, much like Seifert was handed his SuperBowl win, huh????...so I guess he sucked too, eh???...seem to remember he WON another one before his career was over...but I guess Gruden doesn't have that luxury, he still sucks....

[SBbound49ers]

Hes looking good this year with a half decent run game. Hes really gotten the best out of Garcia and even more surprisngly Ike Hilliard. I thought Hilliard was done 4 years ago, hes looking real good this year.

Tough break for Caddy but I've always thought Pittman is underrated. He catches alot of passes and he shifty and powerful. Not many people talk about how good he was in their SB win, I thought he shoulda been MVP.

Earnest Graham and the defense have been very good too. Not sure how their o-line is doing, but they have 3 good looking young o-lineman, Aaron Sears, Jeremy Trueblood and Davin Joseph.

[The Executioner]

Given how bad the 49ers quarterback situation is right now, it's just too bad that Jeff did not get the respect from 49ers fans that he deserved. Fans always complained about his happy feet, how he should stay in the pocket and so on. I guess having happy feet is better than being a statue of liberty in the pocket. :mouthclosed: