Pick one: Hawk, Huff, D-Brick, Trade

[bc_ninerfan]

Scouts Inc just wrote a piece discussing how the Jets are looking hard at Leinart @ #4. It's been all over the net and radio today that Titans are probably going to choose Young. If Green Bay were to choose VD and if Williams went #2 to the Saints... I know it's a lot of speculation but it isn't that far fetched...

If it went like this:
1) Bush
2) Williams
3) Young
4) leinart
5) Vd

Would you rather:
-draft Hawk
-draft Huff
-draft D-Brick
-or trade down

[Tracker]

Hawk all that way :flex:

[Ohio49erfan]

If the draft went down like that and we're at the 6, I'd simply take Hawk, unless someone out of nowhere offered a rather loaded trade down in our favor.

GO GO GOOD GUYS :sflogo:

[bc_ninerfan]

I think Hawk too. But then what would you guys do @ #22?

[Ace Matherton]

If it went that way (and I give no chance that GB takes VD) I'd go for D'Brick, then Huff then Hawk.

[Glider]

Scouts Inc just wrote a piece discussing how the Jets are looking hard at Leinart @ #4. It's been all over the net and radio today that Titans are probably going to choose Young. If Green Bay were to choose VD and if Williams went #2 to the Saints... I know it's a lot of speculation but it isn't that far fetched...

If it went like this:
1) Bush
2) Williams
3) Young
4) leinart
5) Vd

Would you rather:
-draft Hawk
-draft Huff
-draft D-Brick
-or trade down


We'd certainly get some fine offers if Hawk, Brick and Cutler were still there - I'd hope we have enough sense to trade back. I really cannot see us sitting there from our pick at #22 until our next pick at #84 - I'm hoping they wouldn't put us through that - it would be pretty nasty...

[dswab]

if we cant get vd ..then hawk then go for another started such as fs...de or cb..or even another lb like lawson if hes there..those duo would give us much upgraded lb and defense...our priority is not really vd...we still have ej...and he might come back healthy..and also we have other te that norv can teach...like i said if we cant get vd..concentrate on upgrading our defense...

[Montana Magic]

If Hawk at number 6, then Mercedes at #22...simple as that but guys get use to the idea: The Duke will be in town!

[bc_ninerfan]

"and I give no chance that GB takes VD"

Why would you give it no chance??? A linebacker like Hawk comes around once every couple of years. Arguably, there has never been a guy like VD...

True, OLB is a bigger need that TE for Green Bay. However, if they get rid of Javon Walker all that they have is the aging Donald Driver and Bubba Franks, who was hurt last year. Also, they would be giving Favre the goods for one more run at it! They could get an OLB in round 2. But a guy like Vd... we may not see that for a decade!

[kavaholic]

Hawk

[kb4sf]

if we cant get vd ..then hawk then go for another started such as fs...de or cb..or even another lb like lawson if hes there..those duo would give us much upgraded lb and defense...our priority is not really vd...we still have ej...and he might come back healthy..and also we have other te that norv can teach...like i said if we cant get vd..concentrate on upgrading our defense...

i agree with get hawk IF Vd is not avaible but with a "maybe" on ej being healthy or not i would go for VD as much as possible... u can put VD and EJ together in a double TE set and just run with all the might in the world and stop alex from knowing the flight schedule out of SFO international... lol.. i think it might help to spread out the passing game initialy as well.. just a thought though..

[Ohio49erfan]

I think Hawk too. But then what would you guys do @ #22?

Easy. Take BPA on Nolan's draft board between OLB, DE, TE, CB or safety. if that means we go OLB/OLB with 6/22 or any of the other combinations, its still a position of need and we take the player highest on our draft board.

Side note: man, wouldnt it be nifty if we could all see the actual Niner draft board sometime after the fact? We'd be able to get some real good insight into what our organization thought of players.

:nolan:

GO GO GOOD GUYS! :sflogo:

[bd0493]

If that situation were to happen I'd take D'Brick with the first pick and then hopefully Lawson with the second. With D'Brick at LT and Jennings at RT, with Allen, Newberry, and Smiley filling the middle we'd have a line up there with the Chiefs and Seahawks (last year). We all saw what that can do for a team.

Then I would try my hardest to acquire either Lelie or Walker. If we were to acquire Walker, with that line, our offense would be dynamic. However, we'd likely have to pay a large price. Either way, if we get D'Brick instead of Davis, or even Hawk, we should not despair. D'Brick will be a Walter Jones type LT for years to come and Hawk will be a Pro Bowl OLB.

[kb4sf]

If Hawk at number 6, then Mercedes at #22...simple as that but guys get use to the idea: The Duke will be in town!

much agreed the duke will bring the pain!!!!!!!

[Ace Matherton]

"and I give no chance that GB takes VD"

Why would you give it no chance??? A linebacker like Hawk comes around once every couple of years. Arguably, there has never been a guy like VD...

True, OLB is a bigger need that TE for Green Bay. However, if they get rid of Javon Walker all that they have is the aging Donald Driver and Bubba Franks, who was hurt last year. Also, they would be giving Favre the goods for one more run at it! They could get an OLB in round 2. But a guy like Vd... we may not see that for a decade!
1. Hawk is a perfect fit for their D and no this caliber of LB does not come around every couple of years and when they do come around rarely are you in a position to get him. Winslow had every bit the same Hype comming out and a better college resume so TE's of this caliber also come around as often.
2. GB just gave Franks a huge extention and picking #5 for a TE would tie up an extrordinary amount of cap. They dont use 2 TE sets enough to warrant that much cap at the position. The TE is only a factor in their O at the goaline based on what Mccarthy did in N.O otherwise they generally block or wait for the check down neither of which are VD's strong suits.
3. If they get rid of Walker I firmly believe that part of the deal will be for a suitable replacement (ie Lelie plus a pick for Walker).
4. Its a new Regime in town and most likely Favre's last year, I cant see them taking VD just to please him when they still have no shot at a championship. They wont apease Favre at the expense of their jobs 2-3 years down the line.
Obviously i have no idea what their going to do anymore than the rest but I would be thoroughly shocked if they selected anyone on offense with that pick.

[kb4sf]

1. Hawk is a perfect fit for their D and no this caliber of LB does not come around every couple of years and when they do come around rarely are you in a position to get him. Winslow had every bit the same Hype comming out and a better college resume so TE's of this caliber also come around as often.
2. GB just gave Franks a huge extention and picking #5 for a TE would tie up an extrordinary amount of cap. They dont use 2 TE sets enough to warrant that much cap at the position. The TE is only a factor in their O at the goaline based on what Mccarthy did in N.O otherwise they generally block or wait for the check down neither of which are VD's strong suits.
3. If they get rid of Walker I firmly believe that part of the deal will be for a suitable replacement (ie Lelie plus a pick for Walker).
4. Its a new Regime in town and most likely Favre's last year, I cant see them taking VD just to please him when they still have no shot at a championship. They wont apease Favre at the expense of their jobs 2-3 years down the line.
Obviously i have no idea what their going to do anymore than the rest but I would be thoroughly shocked if they selected anyone on offense with that pick.

i agree as well espically with GB they couldnt even decide until today who their QB would be so i just want this to end so we can take VD

[Montana Magic]

Davis is the number one player on our board. No doubt. Williams would be the only one to surpass him. Surround Alex with weapons as Montana was and we will have another 5 SBs coming up. Go 49ERS/ Long live the EMPIRE!

[Joe 2 Cool]

If VD and Williams are gone we need to take Hawk ! I dont see GB taking VD though, if they dont take Hawk and the Brick is there, they will take Brick, thier o-line stinks, and both Farve and Rogers will need him for a longtime. As far as the Jets see below
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-draft-jets&prov=ap&type=lgns
VD is the man ! :doubleup:

[TheWiz]

Based on draft grades and potential I would go Hawk, Ferguson, Trade, and then Huff in that order.

Assuming we had Hawk picked then I would still make OLB at the #22 spot my top priority. We do have big holes at OLB which even with Hawk, lack even plausible starters. As much as people want a better FS or a RB with the 2nd pick, I'd go for OLB first and RB second. If we got Hawk and Lawson, that's a powerful LOLB, ROLB combo right there and combined with Moore, Ulbrich, and Smith being signed for several years forward, would form a great 3-4 LB corps for several seasons. Meanwhile, if an elite talent like Lawson or Sims was not there at #22, I'd jump for RB Williams because after all, if we don't go offense at #6 then we've got to help QB Smith out at some point.

[jay_1699]

Anyone but hawk:-( He's a decent LB at best in a field of very gifted OLBs. Even if the guy is outstanding and plays the position as well as anyone in the league, how does it really help this team win? Julean peterson is better then hawk imo and he did little to help us win games. Our offense is miserable atm and we have no pass rusher to speak of.... if VD is gone trade down and draft a WR or a speed rushing hybrid DE/OLB.

[dan49fan]

"and I give no chance that GB takes VD"

Why would you give it no chance??? A linebacker like Hawk comes around once every couple of years. Arguably, there has never been a guy like VD...

True, OLB is a bigger need that TE for Green Bay. However, if they get rid of Javon Walker all that they have is the aging Donald Driver and Bubba Franks, who was hurt last year. Also, they would be giving Favre the goods for one more run at it! They could get an OLB in round 2. But a guy like Vd... we may not see that for a decade!


Theres never been a guy VD huh? Well thats wat they said about Todd Heap, Jermey Shockey, Kelln Winslow JR(which turned out badly) and packers would be crazy to get rid of Walker because Brett will be back and Walker even if he doesnt like it he will play.

[49ersFaithful]

I'd take hawk! but it seems to me that come draft time every year, were not only drafting people, but creating gaps in our positions by not resigning proven players.

Maybe not so much this year, but Julian Peterson should have been resigned no matter what the cost. In the old days (mid 90's) if a guy showed he was tough and would put out for the team, he got his contract. there are numerous players in the past that played past there prime or effectiveness because they were 49ers! guys like tim mcdonald who was slow as dirt towards the end, junior bryant, terry jackson, etc.

it just seems to me that we will never solve anything in the draft if by seasons end we have 2-3 major needs, and by draft day, due to being cheap and ungrateful we now have 4-6 glaring needs.

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[dan49fan]

Anyone but hawk:-( He's a decent LB at best in a field of very gifted OLBs. Even if the guy is outstanding and plays the position as well as anyone in the league, how does it really help this team win? Julean peterson is better then hawk imo and he did little to help us win games. Our offense is miserable atm and we have no pass rusher to speak of.... if VD is gone trade down and draft a WR or a speed rushing hybrid DE/OLB.


Im sorry JP couldnt win by himself but it does take a team effort. hawk will better a position if the position better then we will get better and win more games.:banghead:

[jay_1699]

Theres never been a guy VD huh? Well thats wat they said about Todd Heap, Jermey Shockey, Kelln Winslow JR(which turned out badly) and packers would be crazy to get rid of Walker because Brett will be back and Walker even if he doesnt like it he will play.


None of those are even in the same realm as VD from an athletic standpoint. VD is a freak of nature...he is pushing 260 lbs (big for a TE) and runs a 4.37 40 (which is considered lightning fast for a wideout). On top of this he benched 225 40 times at the combine, which is more then 99% of the D/O-linemen in the NFL. All that aside, he has great hands and runs solid routes.

As for our LOLB....I would be fine with our current set up. Brandon Moore is capable of taking over at LOLB and I feel he'll do a fine job (he can't cover like peterson did, but we don't face many great TEs in our division). Besides, you can always scheme your defense in a way that makes up for the loss of peterson (bring in a safety on passing downs in place of moore). We need depth at LOLB more then we need a starter and we can take a chance on a later round pick for that depth.

P.S. - What we really need is a pass rushing ROLB, but we can easily get one of those at 22 or the third round.

[49ersFaithful]

Anyone but hawk:-( He's a decent LB at best in a field of very gifted OLBs. Even if the guy is outstanding and plays the position as well as anyone in the league, how does it really help this team win? Julean peterson is better then hawk imo and he did little to help us win games. Our offense is miserable atm and we have no pass rusher to speak of.... if VD is gone trade down and draft a WR or a speed rushing hybrid DE/OLB.


You have it Exactly Right! at the most, he will be as good as peterson, and where does that take you, nowhere! if we would have resigned peterson, we would be drafting TE or CB or DT or trading up, it wasnt a need until they created a need by not keeping the best player we had on defense and one of the few homegrown (as in drafted and improved while on the 49ers) talents we have left. Plummer gone! Peterson gone! Winborn gone! Rashaun Woods (trash) Gone! At this rate, we are going to be in the lottery the next 5 yrs

[49ers4life226]

I couldnt agree more, hawk looks like a good linebacker but could turn out to have the same effect as peterson did

[jay_1699]

You have it Exactly Right! at the most, he will be as good as peterson, and where does that take you, nowhere! if we would have resigned peterson, we would be drafting TE or CB or DT or trading up, it wasnt a need until they created a need by not keeping the best player we had on defense and one of the few homegrown (as in drafted and improved while on the 49ers) talents we have left. Plummer gone! Peterson gone! Winborn gone! Rashaun Woods (trash) Gone! At this rate, we are going to be in the lottery the next 5 yrs


Honestly, LOLB isn't a huge position and peterson really isn't going to have a big impact. The only thing peterson did for us was to take away the TE when we were facing teams that rely heavily on them (KC, SD, etc). Our LILB/RILB are far more important to our system as is our ROLB (to which we currently do not have one and hawk cannot play that position). Like I said, if hawk is even better then people claim he will have an extremely small impact (if any) on our team's success except for very specific situations like facing vernon davis (who we were too stupid not to pick) and VD will make hawk look like a 5 yr old girl scout who lost her lolly pop!

[nolandynasty86]

You have it Exactly Right! at the most, he will be as good as peterson, and where does that take you, nowhere! if we would have resigned peterson, we would be drafting TE or CB or DT or trading up, it wasnt a need until they created a need by not keeping the best player we had on defense and one of the few homegrown (as in drafted and improved while on the 49ers) talents we have left. Plummer gone! Peterson gone! Winborn gone! Rashaun Woods (trash) Gone! At this rate, we are going to be in the lottery the next 5 yrs


You have a few things wrong here. first of all, this is the nfl, not the nba and there is no lottery, just thought id clear that up. second, why are you upset about losing plummer, winborn, and woods, none of them have been effective for a while. they were all overpaid piles of dog crap. As for peterson, we simply couldnt afford him, and hed been injured and wasnt the same player he was 2 or 3 years ago when he was an elite OLB. Hes still a top lb, but injuries and age drop his value. brandon moore was a serviceable replacement for peterson last year anyways. The biggest problem with the defense was the fact that they were on the field the whole freaking game. Thats why drafting davis is so crucial it gives us a playmaker on offense which we havent had since TO left.

[dan49fan]

You have it Exactly Right! at the most, he will be as good as peterson, and where does that take you, nowhere! if we would have resigned peterson, we would be drafting TE or CB or DT or trading up, it wasnt a need until they created a need by not keeping the best player we had on defense and one of the few homegrown (as in drafted and improved while on the 49ers) talents we have left. Plummer gone! Peterson gone! Winborn gone! Rashaun Woods (trash) Gone! At this rate, we are going to be in the lottery the next 5 yrs


Being as good as peterson does nothing? What? i cant believe my eyes. Peterson made offenses play around him meaning other teams respected his play making ability. But if your the only player teams wont go near with their offense. and your team has no one else to help then it is hard to win all by your self. Im not saying Hawk will be all we need but what im saying is that we get him and build around his ability and yes he can OLB in the 3-4.

[Wisconsin9erfan]

I would want to trade down a few spots and snatch up Huff.

[Joe the Jet]

D'Brickashaw

Great Attitude:

"Honestly, I love playing for this team, and there are a lot of things I want our team to accomplish, including winning a championship," Ferguson said. "Anything I can do to contribute to that would be great, and I want to do that. That's why I'm here. Coach recruited me to win championships, and I want to do my role."

Great Ability:

"D'Brickashaw Ferguson is an absolutely incredible athlete for his position. His technique is strongly reminiscent of Walter Jones in that while he isn't a mauling tackle, his footwork and balance are so good that he keeps his man in front of him and keeps his opponent off balance with his long arms and large hands. Should be an almost unmatched pass-blocker after a few years in the NFL with his technique."

Think Alex would appreciate an "unmatched pass blocker"?

[Wisconsin9erfan]

i wouldn't you can draft a Safety just as good as huff later in the 1st round or even early 2nd

Tell me who is just as good as Huff in the late first and early second?

[Ace Matherton]

D'Brick is the man and would be hard to pass up but i hate to say it, another tackle like him will come around. Vernon is the only TE like himself ever so unless Vernon is gone, i wouldn't take D'Brick.
He is the best athlete at the TE position to be drafted (possibly ever). In no way has his college performance given him status above very good TE. Lets not confuse his considerable athletic ability with great play at the position, his numbers in that area have not been spectacular. Its known he's an average blocker as well. Taking him at @6 is purely speculative because what he has shown on the field at this point would not warrant a pick that high. He is the definition of "upside". I do agree we have to take him if he's there but I dont think people should expect him to be a savior the first year. Gates, Gonzo, Heap and to some extent Shockey all struggled their rookie seasons and they all had decent play at the line and QB positions.

[griffeyjr_1183]

I would take Williams, VD, or Huff. I would be very upset if they took Hawk. The guy has heart, but his size will be exploited. The 49ers need playmakers and that is what Williams, VD, and Huff are.

My wish list in order:

1-Mario Williams
2-Vernon Davis
3-D'Brick
4-Huff

How I'd like the draft to go:

1- Mario Williams
1a- DeAngelo Williams
3- Devin Hester

ALL PLAYMAKERS!!!

[Ace Matherton]

the only TE that had more catches and yards than Vernon was Garrett Mills and i think he set NCAA records for a TE.

Vernon had 130 more yards than Mercedes Lewis, 258 more than David Thomas, 295 more than Fasano, 330 more than Pope, 403 more than Klopfenstein, and 565 more than Dominique Byrd.

It is hardly a contest and Vernon is only a Junior, just coming into his own and a genetic freak with a work ethic you cannot teach.
I'n not arguing he is the best in the draft I'm saying he is not going so high because of his play to this point. Its because of the combine and the thought of what an athlete like that could do at the position. If he had performed with the same numbers/times Winslow did at the combine (which were not nearly as fantastic as Davis's) he would not be talked about in the top 10. His body of work in college by comparison to other great college TE's is just very good, not the best ever.

[jay_1699]

Just as VD is head and shoulders above every other TE in the draft, so it is with Hawk at LB. He is rated as better than Mario Williams according to some, and considered the "safest bet" in the draft. Further, he can play EVERY SINGLE LB POSITION, including ROLB or ILB on either side.

I would love to get VD, but Hawk is also one of the elite players in this draft, and it would be huge for our defense for years to come if we draft him.


No, he can't. ROLB is a DE hybrid....in fact, we had carter at ROLB who was a pure DE and never played LB in his life. Most ROLBs are nothing more then pass rushers who occassionally drop back into zones....even if hawk could go toe to toe with a 330lb Olineman, it would be a horrible waste of his talents. Not to be rude, but I think you do not fully understand what a ROLB is in our system.

P.S. - Williams is another horrible pick for the niners. He is best suited to play in a 4-3 system as he tries to use his speed rather then size/strength to rush the passer. He's WAY to big to play ROLB for us and he's to small (or plays to small) to be an effective RE on a 3-man line.