If Pacman was white

[MisfitZ]

who else thinks he wouldnt have gotten the whole season if he was white?

basically this is what it came down to

http://pics.livejournal.com/ktempest/pic/0001w6h2

[Optimus Moo]

who else thinks he wouldnt have gotten the whole season if he was white?

basically this is what it came down to

http://pics.livejournal.com/ktempest/pic/0001w6h2

He'd have gotten the same punishment from the NFL regardless. He has gotten into too many sticky situations that he could be white, black, green, blue, or whatever, but Goodell was still going to make an example of him.

[MisfitZ]

He'd have gotten the same punishment from the NFL regardless. He has gotten into too many sticky situations that he could be white, black, green, blue, or whatever, but Goodell was still going to make an example of him.

NEVER BEEN CONVICTED

[daredevil2-5]

he wouldn't be named Pacman :wheel:

[Peter Proud]

who else thinks he wouldnt have gotten the whole season if he was white?

basically this is what it came down to

http://pics.livejournal.com/ktempest/pic/0001w6h2

Before you pull out that

http://pics.livejournal.com/ktempest/pic/0001w6h2

you should wait until a white player has done or been accused of the same things and has recieved a different punishment. Then maybe you'd be justified in making a claim.

[Optimus Moo]

NEVER BEEN CONVICTED

MAYBE HE WASN'T CONVICTED OF THIS LATEST SITUATION BUT MY GOODNESS HOW MUCH DO YOU HAVE TO GET INVOLVED WITH AND HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE COPS CALLED ON YOU AND ALL THAT JAZZ BEFORE IT'S APPARENT YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH KEEPING YOUR NOSE CLEAN?

(I can type in caps, too!)

[Sac-King_916]

who else thinks he wouldnt have gotten the whole season if he was white?

basically this is what it came down to

http://pics.livejournal.com/ktempest/pic/0001w6h2

:down:

He'd have gotten the same punishment from the NFL regardless. He has gotten into too many sticky situations that he could be white, black, green, blue, or whatever, but Goodell was still going to make an example of him.

Agreed !

[Eric 80]

You never know.

I will reserve my judgment until I see unequal punishment for an equal crime.

[fabie]

If PACMAN is WHITE...then he would look like this!

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f296/timbuk2006/pacman.png

[BrentJones84]

who else thinks he wouldnt have gotten the whole season if he was white?

basically this is what it came down to

http://pics.livejournal.com/ktempest/pic/0001w6h2

To accuse Goodall of being racist just because he's white is racism in itself.

[BrentJones84]

He'd have gotten the same punishment from the NFL regardless. He has gotten into too many sticky situations that he could be white, black, green, blue, or whatever, but Goodell was still going to make an example of him.

Rep.

[Blong4Ever]

who else thinks he wouldnt have gotten the whole season if he was white?

basically this is what it came down to

http://pics.livejournal.com/ktempest/pic/0001w6h2

This whole topic is just retarded, the guy has brought so much negative publicity to the NFL and been around several criminal actions. How do you start a new policy of being tough on players and not punish him? Even he dropped the appeal, I don't see Al Sharpeton sticking his nose in so it must not be racist in the slightest. You can't hang around the same thugs you did growing up now that you are a professional player in America's favorite sport and not expect it to be news when something happens. This thread just irritates me.

:closed:

[krueger70]

Where would Pacman be if he wasn't in the NFL?

[Sac-King_916]

This whole topic is just retarded, the guy has brought so much negative publicity to the NFL and been around several criminal actions. How do you start a new policy of being tough on players and not punish him? Even he dropped the appeal, I don't see Al Sharpeton sticking his nose in so it must not be racist in the slightest. You can't hang around the same thugs you did growing up now that you are a professional player in America's favorite sport and not expect it to be news when something happens. This thread just irritates me.

:closed:

What he said !

[DraconisRex]

NEVER BEEN CONVICTED

Violated NFL policy in regards to reporting arrests. He wasn't suspended solely for his alleged criminal behavior, but for FAILING TO FOLLOW the NFL rules and being a complete buffoon, constantly getting himself into trouble.

[DraconisRex]

This whole topic is just retarded, the guy has brought so much negative publicity to the NFL and been around several criminal actions. How do you start a new policy of being tough on players and not punish him? Even he dropped the appeal, I don't see Al Sharpeton sticking his nose in so it must not be racist in the slightest. You can't hang around the same thugs you did growing up now that you are a professional player in America's favorite sport and not expect it to be news when something happens. This thread just irritates me.

:closed:

/signed

[MasterShake]

Wow Misfitz. I never really thought of you as a bad poster until now, maybe I just didn't pay attention to your posts, but I I know this...

Every time I see your posts from now on I'll read them as if I'm reading the scribblings of an *****.

Horrible horrible post. You can't give negative rep, but you sure can hurt your rep.

[hanover49er]

Wow Misfitz. I never really thought of you as a bad poster until now, maybe I just didn't pay attention to your posts, but I I know this...

Every time I see your posts from now on I'll read them as if I'm reading the scribblings of an *****.

Horrible horrible post. You can't give negative rep, but you sure can hurt your rep.

Agreed, I will never look at his posts the same way, this was just pathetic.

[Sac-King_916]

Wow Misfitz. I never really thought of you as a bad poster until now

Click Here (http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showthread.php?t=21572&highlight=chiropractor)

[co2112]

we all know PACMAN is yellow http://mud.mm-a2.yimg.com/image/2298632695 Plus nothing has been proven accept that he didn't bite the leg of some dude at a strip club. Which I am actually glad it wasn't true, I mean seriously who bites someones leg during a brawl?

[Nevyn]

who else thinks he wouldnt have gotten the whole season if he was white?

basically this is what it came down to

http://pics.livejournal.com/ktempest/pic/0001w6h2

I'm sorry, but it doesn't matter what color the woman or the man is when the man beats the crap out of her for picking up money that he threw in the air for the visual effect.

If a white guy did that, I have every confidence Goodell would throw the book at him. Especially since this is about league public relations and marketing, not crime and punishment. If a white guy behaved like Pac Man, it would be just as much a black eye for the league, and it would be just as important to project the image that the behaviour is not tolerated.

[sandiegojoe]

If Pacman was white he couldn't play Cornerback.

[BEAT LA]

who else thinks he wouldnt have gotten the whole season if he was white?

basically this is what it came down to

http://pics.livejournal.com/ktempest/pic/0001w6h2

somewhat maybe true

[BEAT LA]

:falldownlaugh: :falldownlaugh: If Pacman was white he couldn't play Cornerback.

[Eaglesfandan]

Where is Al Sharpton when you need him???

http://www.pete-online.us/Images/RaceCardSharpJack.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/8288/n_97.jpg

[TecmoBowl]

Sh!!t thread please delete.

Well...except for Eaglefandan's post.

[TecmoBowl]

who else thinks he wouldnt have gotten the whole season if he was white?

basically this is what it came down to

http://pics.livejournal.com/ktempest/pic/0001w6h2


How do I take rep away from you for being a complete and utter tool?

[Venom]

who else thinks he wouldnt have gotten the whole season if he was white?

basically this is what it came down to

http://pics.livejournal.com/ktempest/pic/0001w6h2

No, I think Goodell is out to send a message to anyone in this league whether they be a coach or player, black, white, hispanic or samoan, star or practice squader, rookie or vet, clean cut or grizzly adams looking......if you don't behave you get punished. It's that simple.

[euronimous]

who else thinks he wouldnt have gotten the whole season if he was white?

basically this is what it came down to

http://pics.livejournal.com/ktempest/pic/0001w6h2


Did someone hack into MisfitZ's computer and sign in to the MB under his name because this is THE most idiotic post I've ever seen from him.

[TheWiz]

I never thought I'd take this position but I'm actually offended by this thread. EFD's images don't bother me, that's political humor at its core.

But misfitz that faux Monopoly card is out of line. Why don't you just unzip your trousers and take a **** on the grave of Emmett Till while you're at it.

[Ness]

You know it's serious when Wiz is angry.

[SBbound49ers]

You know it's serious when Wiz is angry.

I wonder if he was this angry when he found out his gem Rashaun Woods was a bust. :laugh:

[Tracker]

who else thinks he wouldnt have gotten the whole season if he was white?

basically this is what it came down to

http://pics.livejournal.com/ktempest/pic/0001w6h2

Sorry man. I have to call BS on that one.

Maybe 40 - 50 years ago but in this day and age the "it is because I am (insert race here)" is nothing more than a very a pathetic copout.

[Ness]

Sorry man. I have to call BS on that one.

Maybe 40 - 50 years ago but in this day and age the "it is because I am (insert race here)" is nothing more than a very a pathetic copout.

Ummm...hunh? Maybe for this specific case color had nothing to do with it, but racism still exists all over the world. Even in this day and age.

[Tracker]

If Pacman was white he couldn't play Cornerback.



Funny how that is ok to say but if you say (for instance) because he is black he can't play quarterback you have half of the world butt hurt and Jessie Jackson and the rest of the American Civil Liberties Union types out with pitchforks and torches.

I find it to be a sad and pitiful double standard in this country.

[SBbound49ers]

Funny how that is ok to say but if you say (for instance) because he is black he can't play quarterback you have half of the world butt hurt and Jessie Jackson and the rest of the American Civil Liberties Union types out with pitchforks and torches.

I find it to be a sad and pitiful double standard in this country.

I know what you're getting at but the two situations are different. :francis:

[Tracker]

Ummm...hunh? Maybe for this specific case color had nothing to do with it, but racism still exists all over the world. Even in this day and age.

I am not saying that it does not exist all over the world. I am saying that it is not nearly as rampant as many would like to have everyone believe in this country.

People like Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton have become very rich and powerful perpetuating that myth. Looks like many are still buying into it.

[Ness]

I am not saying that it does not exist all over the world. I am saying that it is not nearly as rampant as many would like to have everyone believe in this country.

People like Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton have become very rich and powerful perpetuating that myth. Looks like many are still buying into it.

Well on a scale of one to ten, how bad do you think it is here in the USA? Because I think it's still pretty bad. Just depends what area you go to.

[DallasNiner]

who else thinks he wouldnt have gotten the whole season if he was white?

basically this is what it came down to

http://pics.livejournal.com/ktempest/pic/0001w6h2

Punishment would've been the same.

[Tracker]

I know what you're getting at but the two situations are different. :francis:

Really?

Black guy can't play this position

White guy can't play that position

One ok and the other is not?

Sorry, as they are both referring to human being and their shortcoming s due to their race I don't see a difference at all.

Don’t get me wrong. I am not offended by either as I have a sense of humor. I am put back my a social double standard though.

As i see it ...What is goose is good for the gander.

[co2112]

Well on a scale of one to ten, how bad do you think it is here in the USA? Because I think it's still pretty bad. Just depends what area you go to.


I was just going to say, depends, here in California not so much unless your Mexican.... anyways this could go on all day. I was thinking I was offended by the card too because the guy is white, does that mean he's Irish, cause Im irish and I like to look at white women

[SF49erFan]

Well if Paris Hilton was black she would have gone to jail...oh wait... :hide:

[SBbound49ers]

Really?

Black guy can't play this position

White guy can't play that position

One ok and the other is not?

Sorry, as they are both referring to human being and their shortcoming s due to their race I don't see a difference at all.

Don’t get me wrong. I am not offended by either as I have a sense of humor. I am put back my a social double standard though.

As i see it ...What is goose is good for the gander.

Well its from a PC answer but blacks have proven they can play the QB position where as very few white DBs have success in todays game.

Besides Sehorn, what white DBs have been good and keep in mind Sehorn was good for a few years then became the joke of the NFC.

[Rocketknight73]

If Pac-man was white......he would still be a jack*****.:sam:

[SBbound49ers]

if you arent drawing a distinction between DB and CB

john lynch
sean considine

My fault, DB only.

[Young2Rice]

hahahahahaha everyone hates misfitz now LOL

there goes your rep ha

[SF49erFan]

well if your talking DB's then that includes safetys and there are plenty of solid white safetys in the league.

And what good starting black QB are there in the league? You have Vick, McNair, Campbel (sp), Leftwich. I might be missing a starter but these 4 arent very impressive. Mcnair was great in his prime but leftwich and Vick have be disappointing and Campbell is unproven.

I dont think black QB's have proven anything just like white CB havent proven anything.

You have obviously never seen Warren Moon or Randall Cunningham play.

[SBbound49ers]

well if your talking DB's then that includes safetys and there are plenty of solid white safetys in the league.

And what good starting black QB are there in the league? You have Vick, McNair, Campbel (sp), Leftwich. I might be missing a starter but these 4 arent very impressive. Mcnair was great in his prime but leftwich and Vick have be disappointing and Campbell is unproven.

I dont think black QB's have proven anything just like white CB havent proven anything.

Safties - yes. Corners - No.

McNair
Vick
Campbell
Culpepper
Young
McNabb
Russell
Leftwich
and more......

All have either had success or have earned a starting job in the NFL. There are no good white CBs in the league and there havent even been many competiting at the CB spot.

While the level of success is arguable, getting to the NFL and earning a starting spot isnt.

[49ers Ephon]

would have we drafted carriker if he was black?

[SBbound49ers]

would have we drafted carriker if he was black?

No. 3-4 DEs are drafted in the later rounds. :wheel:

[Ness]

wow 2 in the history of football (at this point)............impressive

Doug Williams won a Super Bowl.

[Tracker]

oh for the love of...

hes not saying "white guys arent allowed to play CB" hes saying "if he was white he probably wouldnt have the fast twitch speed to play CB". how many white CBs are starting for NFL teams right now? there is no precedent to say "black people cant play QB" today because there are a lot of black QBs having success. that statement was very much an accepted theory up until pretty recently. white guys playing CB is totally different because there is equal oppurtunity and white players are still not the best CBs

what hes saying isnt denying someone personal freedom, its making an observation about racial traits.

it would be more akin to saying "if he was black, he couldnt be a hockey forward"

Clear now?


Like I said. I don't really care what others opinions are on the biophysics or metal prowess of one race’s dominance in sports or any other field is compared to others. Say what you will that is what makes this country great.

What I have an issue with is the double standard for one group to have free rein to say what ever they like about anybody and another group has to walk on eggshells for fear of legal or career ending reprisal.

This is exactly why I prefixed my statement with (for instance) when using the CB to QB issue as an example of a hypothetical argument not as my feelings on that particular subject.

[frk49rs]

To accuse Goodall of being racist just because he's white is racism in itself.


I agree with that, when will people stop jumping on the "it cause he black bandwagon" when you have no real proof, or even a strong case for it.

[SB49er4life]

Take your racist crap onto some forum with other clueless individuals and leave the football to us -- especially 49er football. We ain't got no stinkin' Pacmans.

1) If you want to discuss 49er football, you might wanna read where your clicking and stay in the 49er section.

2) He was simply posing a question that should at the least be considered.

3) Don't try to pull MisFitz "racist" card when you yourself have been in a number of threads much more judgemental stances based on limited information on a player. Racism is just being judgemental to an extreme as it pertains to race.

[SB49er4life]

Really?

Black guy can't play this position

White guy can't play that position

One ok and the other is not?

Sorry, as they are both referring to human being and their shortcoming s due to their race I don't see a difference at all.

Don’t get me wrong. I am not offended by either as I have a sense of humor. I am put back my a social double standard though.

As i see it ...What is goose is good for the gander.

See, I think the problem is with the way people perceive things, not in how they are meant. If we all learned to take something as it's meant, there would be a lot less problems.

Unfortunately, we live in a society where everyone is ultra sensitive and acts like a pre-menstrual train wreck whenever they hear ANYTHING that COULD be taken the wrong way.

I'm just using this as an example... but the term "shortcomings" being used has a negative connotation that could be worded differently. You could also say certain races have better athletic STRENGTHS than others.

Let's all be adults here and be realistic without getting our panties up in a bunch; african-american athletes, as a race, are just flat out more explosive than the vast majority of athletes from a European, or white, descent. Sorry, but if you can't agree with this, you're not being real with the facts and what we see in sports everyday.

And white athletes tend to have a little more of an advantage when it comes to the skill and decision-making aspect of sports.

Does this mean that whites are unathletic and blacks are stupid ? No, because there are many examples that are quite the contrary. But if you fully deny any kind of correlation to all this, your either in denial, insecure about your own race, or just don't have the ability to perceive things for what they are.

I don't think race or skin color should be considered when evaluating athletes, but what kinda argument does anyone really have when the positions that require the most fast-twitch muscle fibers, CB and RB, are completely devoid of white athletes ?

There's a difference between saying this type of person CAN'T succeed at a certain position, and making a judgement based on blatant facts through observation.

[statniner]

If Pacman was white, man. Roger Goodell would have been hangin out with The P.A.C. and his pimpingain'teasy groupies.

[MisfitZ]

holy god **** i never expected to see this many bites jesus christ its been funny reading everyone overreaction to this

if i pissed you off get over it


i honestly cant believe people thought this was serious honestly did it even sound serious

the Monopoly card was funny get a sense of humour

[MisfitZ]

ive been laughing non stop at the crap spewed on here its actually very entertaining

[MisfitZ]

No. 3-4 DEs are drafted in the later rounds. :wheel:

tell that to the patriots and chargers all with Des drafted within the top 35

[MisfitZ]

Sehorn was not only good, he made All-Pro. I seem to remember an injury that short-circuited his career, I didn't realize it was his skin color. Does the fact that Rod Woodson is half-white means he can only play corner half the time, or he's just half as good as the other guys? D-U-M-B

ummmmmmm Woodson does only play corner half the time

[OG-Niner]

holy god **** i never expected to see this many bites jesus christ its been funny reading everyone overreaction to this

if i pissed you off get over it


i honestly cant believe people thought this was serious honestly did it even sound serious

the Monopoly card was funny get a sense of humour

No, it's not funny. The fact of the matter is that people play that card way too often. Racism still exists, and crying wolf over every black and white situation minimizes the seriousness of the issue. Grow up, get educated and learn that the only race that matters is the human race.

[sublime]

If pac-man was white....then what color would pinky be?205

[MisfitZ]

No, it's not funny. The fact of the matter is that people play that card way too often. Racism still exists, and crying wolf over every black and white situation minimizes the seriousness of the issue. Grow up, get educated and learn that the only race that matters is the human race.

actually to be fair theres nothing saying that it isnt racism PACMAN has never been convicted of anything yet he gets a year

[SBbound49ers]

tell that to the patriots and chargers all with Des drafted within the top 35

Or I could tell it to the Niners FO.....oh wait they already know that. :go9ers:

[MisfitZ]

Or I could tell it to the Niners FO.....oh wait they already know that. :go9ers:

your right they do but Carriker was white and we havent drafted a white player at a position that isnt considered a white position OL QB K P

[49ers 4 Life]

he would have gotten the same punishment from the league regardless of his race

[OG-Niner]

actually to be fair theres nothing saying that it isnt racism PACMAN has never been convicted of anything yet he gets a year

regardless of conviction...HE VIOLATED NFL POLICY.

[94949'er]

actually to be fair theres nothing saying that it isnt racism PACMAN has never been convicted of anything yet he gets a year

so the original thought stands? that makes the ensuing "I was joking" backpeddle sound like BS.

I mean, what's the difference in saying "It is racism" and "There's nothing saying it isn't racism". they read pretty much the same to me.

[McDude]

The ability to be an *****, is Color Blind!!!

[Trap_Star]

If Pacman was white...he'd have the ability to tan...

[MisfitZ]

so the original thought stands? that makes the ensuing "I was joking" backpeddle sound like BS.

I mean, what's the difference in saying "It is racism" and "There's nothing saying it isn't racism". they read pretty much the same to me.

playing devils advocate i find it weird that he gets a year yet he has never been convicted of anything

yes im aware he was arrested but hes never been found guilty of a crime so how exactly can he get a year suspension when our courts have never been able to say guilty to any of his arrests im not saying its racism but its a bunch of crap

[MisfitZ]

you do realized you typed this

what do you mean by that

[MisfitZ]

look at the word in bold............

still dont get what your trying to say

[imabored]

If pacman was white, he wouldn't be able to run a 4.4

:hide:

[Trap_Star]

If pacman was white, he wouldn't be able to run a 4.4

:hide:

or play CB...

:hide:

[SB49er4life]

No, it's not funny. The fact of the matter is that people play that card way too often. Racism still exists, and crying wolf over every black and white situation minimizes the seriousness of the issue. Grow up, get educated and learn that the only race that matters is the human race.

Racism still exists, but there is a difference between racism and observations.

I believe in equal rights for everyone, and also believe that excellent and terrible people of ALL races exist; every race has amazing individuals who excel at any given phase or skill of life.

But when we all get offended over FACT and OBSERVATION, that's the problem of who ever's getting offended. It's lika 5'2 guy getting offended by saying that tall people are much better at basketball than short people.

It doesn't minimize the seriousness of the issue of racism because that wasn't what it was intended to do. It's intended to mock those who do look at things in that light to at least be able to take a step back and think about how silly they might sound. Being dead serious about every little thing doesn't always fix the problem, either.

[bsy]

Maybe Misfit thinks Pacman doesn't deserve his penalty cause he reveres and glorifies the gangsta-thug lifestyle that Pacman lives. Good role model!! When I grow up, I wanna be jus like da Pac! He’s got enough money to throw at strippers!!! Yeah!!! E-Thug I-Side!!

The Pacman Jones Manual: Yes! You too can be cool, volatile, criminal, idiotic, and void of any decency yet not be convicted…….yet. He loves boot…..ah women too! And the Bling! Yes, you too can learn to do all this in less than two years!! It’s easy!

- On July 13, 2005 Jones was arrested on charges of assault and felony vandalism stemming from a nightclub altercation.
- On September 5, 2005 Jones was a guest at the annual Nashville Sports Council Kickoff Luncheon. After a loud verbal tantrum when he was told to wait in line for his vehicle later that evening, Jones was counseled by the police. He also refused to pay for any valet services used that evening.
- In October 2005, in a petition filed by the State of West Virginia, Jones had not made regular and sufficient contact with his probation officer and that he did not report his July arrest in Nashville in a timely fashion.
- On August 25, 2006, Jones was arrested in Murfreesboro, Tennessee for disorderly conduct and public intoxication after claiming that a woman stole his wallet. Jones spat on her. Police officers said they ordered Jones to leave several times, but he refused, continuing to shout profanities at the woman. A judge granted him six months probation on the conditions that he stays out of further trouble and away from the nightclub
- On October 26, 2006. Jones was cited for misdemeanor assault for allegedly spitting in the face of a female student from Tennessee State University during a private party at Club Mystic, a Nashville nightclub. He was suspended by the Titans for one game and was scheduled to be booked on the charge on November 17, 2006.
- On February 16-18, 2007, Jones is alleged to have been involved in an altercation with an exotic dancer at a local strip club. According to the club's co-owner, Jones approached the stage with a garbage bag filled with approximately $81,000 in one-dollar bills. Jones proceeded to throw the money into the air over the exotic dancers for a dramatic effect, an act known as "making it rain". Becoming enraged when one of the dancers began taking the money without his permission, Jones grabbed her by her hair and slammed her head on the stage. A security guard intervened and scuffled with members of Jones' entourage of half a dozen people, during which time Jones allegedly bit the guard on the lower leg. Jones then allegedly threatened the guard's life. After the patrons of the club exited, the club owner says a person in Jones' entourage returned with a gun and fired into a crowd, hitting three people, including the security guard involved in the earlier skirmish. Although the guard was shot twice, one of the people hit, former professional wrestler Tommy Urbanski, was paralyzed from the waist down. Jones maintains that he did not know the shooter, although the club's owner insists that Jones did. On March 26, 2007 the Las Vegas Police recommended to the city's district attorney that Jones be charged with one count of felony coercion and also a misdemeanor count of battery and a misdemeanor count of threat to life.
- Jones also is set to appear in a Fayetteville, Georgia court in 2007 for his February 2006 incident on subpoenas for felony and misdemeanor obstruction of justice charges for an incident outside a home.
- On May 7, 2007, Jones was stopped at 12:45 a.m. on Interstate 65 heading into downtown after an officer clocked him on radar at 79 mph in a 55 mph zone. Jones was driving his red 2004 Cadillac XLT he bought at police auction last fall. Police seized the Cadillac last spring in a drug bust. The car was not registered to Jones then, but he told a local TV reporter he had loaned the Cadillac to someone for a music video.

BTW: I’m just joking so if anyone gets offended, it’s cause you’re either a stupid sucker or overly sensitive.

[imabored]

matt jones ran a 4.37 40 just a couple years ago

well he's the exception to the rule.:up:

[DallasNiner]

people aren't white, unless they are albino. This thread is racist.

[MisfitZ]

Maybe Misfit thinks Pacman doesn't deserve his penalty cause he reveres and glorifies the gangsta-thug lifestyle that Pacman lives. Good role model!! When I grow up, I wanna be jus like da Pac! He’s got enough money to throw at strippers!!! Yeah!!! E-Thug I-Side!!

The Pacman Jones Manual: Yes! You too can be cool, volatile, criminal, idiotic, and void of any decency yet not be convicted…….yet. He loves boot…..ah women too! And the Bling! Yes, you too can learn to do all this in less than two years!! It’s easy!

- On July 13, 2005 Jones was arrested on charges of assault and felony vandalism stemming from a nightclub altercation.
- On September 5, 2005 Jones was a guest at the annual Nashville Sports Council Kickoff Luncheon. After a loud verbal tantrum when he was told to wait in line for his vehicle later that evening, Jones was counseled by the police. He also refused to pay for any valet services used that evening.
- In October 2005, in a petition filed by the State of West Virginia, Jones had not made regular and sufficient contact with his probation officer and that he did not report his July arrest in Nashville in a timely fashion.
- On August 25, 2006, Jones was arrested in Murfreesboro, Tennessee for disorderly conduct and public intoxication after claiming that a woman stole his wallet. Jones spat on her. Police officers said they ordered Jones to leave several times, but he refused, continuing to shout profanities at the woman. A judge granted him six months probation on the conditions that he stays out of further trouble and away from the nightclub
- On October 26, 2006. Jones was cited for misdemeanor assault for allegedly spitting in the face of a female student from Tennessee State University during a private party at Club Mystic, a Nashville nightclub. He was suspended by the Titans for one game and was scheduled to be booked on the charge on November 17, 2006.
- On February 16-18, 2007, Jones is alleged to have been involved in an altercation with an exotic dancer at a local strip club. According to the club's co-owner, Jones approached the stage with a garbage bag filled with approximately $81,000 in one-dollar bills. Jones proceeded to throw the money into the air over the exotic dancers for a dramatic effect, an act known as "making it rain". Becoming enraged when one of the dancers began taking the money without his permission, Jones grabbed her by her hair and slammed her head on the stage. A security guard intervened and scuffled with members of Jones' entourage of half a dozen people, during which time Jones allegedly bit the guard on the lower leg. Jones then allegedly threatened the guard's life. After the patrons of the club exited, the club owner says a person in Jones' entourage returned with a gun and fired into a crowd, hitting three people, including the security guard involved in the earlier skirmish. Although the guard was shot twice, one of the people hit, former professional wrestler Tommy Urbanski, was paralyzed from the waist down. Jones maintains that he did not know the shooter, although the club's owner insists that Jones did. On March 26, 2007 the Las Vegas Police recommended to the city's district attorney that Jones be charged with one count of felony coercion and also a misdemeanor count of battery and a misdemeanor count of threat to life.
- Jones also is set to appear in a Fayetteville, Georgia court in 2007 for his February 2006 incident on subpoenas for felony and misdemeanor obstruction of justice charges for an incident outside a home.
- On May 7, 2007, Jones was stopped at 12:45 a.m. on Interstate 65 heading into downtown after an officer clocked him on radar at 79 mph in a 55 mph zone. Jones was driving his red 2004 Cadillac XLT he bought at police auction last fall. Police seized the Cadillac last spring in a drug bust. The car was not registered to Jones then, but he told a local TV reporter he had loaned the Cadillac to someone for a music video.

BTW: I’m just joking so if anyone gets offended, it’s cause you’re either a stupid sucker or overly sensitive.

the thing about him biting someones leg was false DNA cleared that up

no i dont look up to pac man or anything like that i see a punishment that doesnt seem right to me saw a funny picture and i knew i could get some bites and wow did i catch ****ing moby **** or what(the wiz)

[bsy]

the thing about him biting someones leg was false DNA cleared that up

no i dont look up to pac man or anything like that i see a punishment that doesnt seem right to me saw a funny picture and i knew i could get some bites and wow did i catch ****ing moby **** or what(the wiz)

I was just joking. You bit too. :fishing:

[MisfitZ]

I was just joking. You bit too. :fishing:

yay but not like some of these clowns in here this thread has honestly been down right hilarious to me

[Nevyn]

matt jones ran a 4.37 40 just a couple years ago

Matt Jones isn't white. he's an albino black guy

[Ness]

the one and only black QB to ever do so.............and how long ago was that?

I have nothing against black QB but it has been proven time and time again that White players are better QB period, just like black players are better CB's it's that simple.

But there have been tons of African American quarterbacks that have had success. How many white corners in the history of the NFL since the merger can you name that have been great?

[Trap_Star]

Matt Jones isn't white. he's an albino black guy

no...back in the day, his great great great grandmother must of messed around with a brotha....

signed,
Michael Irvin.

PS. it was my friends pipe...seriously...

[hanover49er]

yay but not like some of these clowns in here this thread has honestly been down right hilarious to me

Are you just confusing yourself? You say it was a joke/fishing, then you go and say it again and act serious about it... why backpeddle on saying its a joke, then try to pretend its a joke again?

He broke the NFL policy, ***, thats what he is suspended for, regardless of a conviction, get it through your thick skull.

[Douce]

But there have been tons of African American quarterbacks that have had success. How many white corners in the history of the NFL since the merger can you name that have been great?

Jason Sehorn???:hide:

:tiptoe:

[$Ciggy Cent$]

But there have been tons of African American quarterbacks that have had success. How many white corners in the history of the NFL since the merger can you name that have been great?

What about my boy Jason Sehorn! What it do!

[$Ciggy Cent$]

Jason Sehorn???:hide:

:tiptoe:

I hate you......

[Douce]

But there have been tons of African American quarterbacks that have had success. How many white corners in the history of the NFL since the merger can you name that have been great?

How many black QB's have won a superbowl? 1?
Just something to think about........

[Douce]

I hate you......
Thank you? I think.....

[Douce]

What about my boy Jason Sehorn! What it do!
He's the best white CB I can think of. And he wasn't that great.

[$Ciggy Cent$]

He's the best white CB I can think of. And he wasn't that great.

He was on a commercial one time.

[Douce]

He was on a commercial one time.
I hope he was a better actor than a KR....

[94949'er]

But there have been tons of African American quarterbacks that have had success. How many white corners in the history of the NFL since the merger can you name that have been great?

Roger Wehrli. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Wehrli

According to observers thing that jumped out about Wehrli is his speed. Reportely scheduled to be third-rounder, and then in full pads ran a 4.5 forty for NFL scouts and jumped to the first round[1]. Hall of Fame quarterback Roger Staubach has called Wehrli the best cornerback he played against, and claims that the term "shutdown corner" originated as a description of Wehrli. [2]

In his career, Wehrli had 40 career interceptions for 309 yards and recovered 19 fumbles. He was also elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2007.

Probowls 1970, 1971, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1979
Awards All-Pro 1970, 74, 75, 76, 77
2nd Team All-Pro 1971
All-NFC 1970, 71, 74, 75, 76, 77, 79
Honors NFL 1970s All-Decade Team

[Young2Rice]

face it misfitz your a dooshbag

[Blue Bird]

if he was white he probably wouldnt be playing cornerback either

:hide:
:falldownlaugh:

God, it's good to see a good sense of humor. That was funny.

[LVSolidSnake]

If Adam Jones was white his alias would have been "Q-bert"

[offtackle24]

How many black QB's have won a superbowl? 1?
Just something to think about........

how many white cornerbacks have won the superbowl?

[Ness]

Roger Wehrli. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Wehrli

Okay that's one.

[TecmoBowl]

still dont get what your trying to say

That would be because you're a retard. Make sure you wear your paper hat the next time you post.

[Ness]

rod woodson is half white, he has a ring.

Seahorn went to one.

How many black QB's have even been to a superbowl?

McNabb, McNair and Williams are the only that pop in my head.

I dont think Moon or Cunningham ever went.
What's the other half of Woodson's ethnicity? I'm just curious.

[SBbound49ers]

culpepper and Russell arent starters at this point and I dont know how I forgot about McNabb and young.

so like I said there are about 5 starting black QB's give or take and there are what.........32 teams. Not to mention that the majority of QB's drafted this year where white so the future looks the same at this point.

Still, the # of black QBs far outweights the number of white CBs in the league.

Black QBs may not win a ton of SBs but there are plenty of starting black QBs where as there are 0 (I think) white CBs starting.

[Ness]

o.........k.........

i though we where debating that black QB's have been successful in the league not there are more black QB's then white CB's.

That's a no brainer.

Im saying that there have not been a lot of successful black QB's in the NFL.
But there are been far more successful quarterbacks that are black, than there have been white cornerbacks. And a lot teams didn't even let black guys play the quarterback position for a long time.

[Marshall]

If he was white, I would laugh at him for his ugly *** hair

[Ness]

- if you go back in history you will see a ton of white CB's that have been successful.

- teams don't let white players play RB, they convert them to other positions.



....so whats your point?

Well I was talking about since the merger. And let me ask you a question. Why don't teams let white players play runningback?

[Ness]

[/B]

dude it's been like 30 years and 1 black QB has won a superbowl.

You can even look at last season........Im not sure but I can only think of 1 team that made the playoffs with a black QB at the helm.

McNair and the Ravens and I think we all know then where not in the playoffs because of there passing game.

But would the Ravens be in the playoffs at all if McNair wasn't the quarterback and Kyle Boller was? Hmmm...

And it's been twenty years since Williams won a Super Bowl. Not thirty. How many years has it been since a white corner won a Super Bowl?

[Ness]

your thing is that they didn't let black players play QB, well they don't let white players play RB or CB.

...so your point is shot.

In your opinion it's shot. I'm surprised you knew what my point was when you were asking me what it was in your previous post.

You still haven't answered my question as to why white players are converted to other positions than corner or halfback.

[Ness]

who can say..........if I had to quess I would say yes they would have made the playoff's with there D last year.

Boller had this chances with a good defense every year. He just didn't step up to the plate.

[MisfitZ]

Are you just confusing yourself? You say it was a joke/fishing, then you go and say it again and act serious about it... why backpeddle on saying its a joke, then try to pretend its a joke again?

He broke the NFL policy, ***, thats what he is suspended for, regardless of a conviction, get it through your thick skull.

he broke NFL policy how? By getting arrested but never convicted hmmm doesnt that mean he was wrongfully arrested? I realize that being arrested is bad pub for the NFL but whats to stop fans from throwing out bogus allegations just so star players on opposing teams get arrested(ie claiming rape, claiming players hit them and having witnesses) even though in the end it comes out they are innocent they should still be suspended because they got arrested. How does that make sense?

Im not playing the race card although i do think his thug image added to the suspension. Should he have gotten suspended possibly but not until he went to trial for his arrests. In fact one of the things that he was being accused of he was just cleared of.

Im not going to sit here and say the commish is racist i saw something funny so i posted it you got a problem with it thats not my problem thats yours.

on a side note that was a very interesting read knobs and blustars got owned

[Young2Rice]

he broke NFL policy how? By getting arrested but never convicted hmmm doesnt that mean he was wrongfully arrested? I realize that being arrested is bad pub for the NFL but whats to stop fans from throwing out bogus allegations just so star players on opposing teams get arrested(ie claiming rape, claiming players hit them and having witnesses) even though in the end it comes out they are innocent they should still be suspended because they got arrested. How does that make sense?

Im not playing the race card although i do think his thug image added to the suspension. Should he have gotten suspended possibly but not until he went to trial for his arrests. In fact one of the things that he was being accused of he was just cleared of.

Im not going to sit here and say the commish is racist i saw something funny so i posted it you got a problem with it thats not my problem thats yours.

on a side note that was a very interesting read knobs and blustars got owned

you make no sense you *****

[MisfitZ]

by engaging in activity and conduct detrimental to the image, and below the standards, of the NFL.

being a big money athlete, in the NFL especially, carries responsibilities and he basically took a big fat dump on them.

............how did he take a fat dump on them? Hes never been put in jail for his actions the most he got was some community service. He went to a strip club, does that mean every athlete that goes to a strip club is going to be suspended?

Who sets these standards? What are these standards? What exactly is detrimental to the team? because i have never seen anything explaining this. And how can his past transgressions with the law affect him now?

This is what it comes down to for you Pot. You dont like the guys image you think hes a thug and you dont like him so you are going to support the commishs punishment to the death.

[Ness]

your blind. read this article:


http://www.castefootball.us/viewarticle.asp?sportID=14&teamID=0&ID=22532


and read the whole article, don't just skim. it appears you need to be educated on the topic.



EDIT: when i asked "whats your point?" i was being sarcastic. i know what your point is, i was just saying it was a rather poor one. you say they wouldn't let black players play QB in the past but ignore the fact that they presently don't let white players play CB or RB in todays NFL. you need to open your eyes.
That article only supports what my point is as a whole about the NFL. I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. And by what you're advocating, Pizzle's logic is flawed in the point he's trying to get across, which was white athletes make better quarterbacks period. So in essence, we're not arguing against each other.

[Ness]

last years D ranked among the best ever.

Regardless, Boller played on a team that had a great defense for at least three seasons until he wasn't the starter anymore. It was good enough for the offense to to be decent make the playoffs as a team.

[SBbound49ers]

last years D ranked among the best ever.

Best LB core I've ever seen.

[MisfitZ]

by publically engaging in lude behavior, and repeatedly being accused of violence.

being a lawful patron of a male entertainment club is not against conduct policy because it is done in a law abiding and decent manner. making a huge scene and drawing public attention to the fact that you are there and engaging in misconduct is a violation of NFL policy.

these policies are rules put in place and outlined in the NFL bylaws. ignorance of these policies is not an excuse. the NFL does not abide by the rulings of state government. it is a private entity that can govern itself and determine which persons to employ.

i actually find little problem personally with his persona, and i think its quite humorous that 2 years in the league has turned him into some kinda self-indulgent superstar gangsta. it is his actions and public conduct that i dislike. hes been given an awesome oppurtunity to improve the quality of life of his entire family for generations and he finds himself better suited to beat up women and make an arse of himself.

let me ask you this... if pacman was a victim of some character/racial injustice as you seem to believe, why did he drop his appeal to the league? certainly if you are on the correct end of this debate, pacman has every right to behave the way he has in public and has the right to hold onto his job until proven guilty. why then do you think he decided not to appeal his suspension? ill spare you the headache and tell you, because he KNEW what he was doing was WRONG at the time he did it and that the NFL has the moral and legal leverage.

ok Pot seriously you need to think before you post because you contridicted yourself alot

Whats the difference between between lewd behavior and going to a strip club they are one and the same. Actually noone would have known he was at a strip club if some guy(we dont know for sure if pacman knew him) hadnt shot a security guard. Also it was said that he bit the leg of a girl there and that was cleared because the dna didnt match. They cant connect the guy who shot the security guard to Pacman. Also we have no proof that he slammed that chicks head into the ground despite Minxx having Security cams pointed to the stage at all time.............so thats a big fat 0 things he did wrong that night.

the one thing he got community service for was spitting in the face of a chick he thought stole his walllet he didnt hit her or anything like that

True the NFL doesnt abide by the government guidelines but they should be taken into account. how can you suspend someone for something that couldnt be proven in the courts? Does this then lead to fans doing all they can to get Rival teams star players in trouble with false allegations?

You say you have no problem with his persona which as you said was a self indulged gangsta thug. Yet his actions that make him that you dislike? Hows that make any sense?

I was really kidding when i made the thread i dont think its as much race driven as it is image driven. If pacman didnt have a thug image with the hair and attitude i am almost 100% certain hed of gotten alot less time.

Why did he drop his appeal? Maybe because he didnt want to waste his time. Do you know who he'd appeal to. Thats right Roger Goodell the one that authorized the punishment and is the only one involved in the suspension process. Yeah i like his appeal chances.

[Nevyn]

Misfitz, you seem to be under the assumption that his Vegas indiscretions are all Pacman is being punished for. They may have played a role in the length of the suspension, but he also not only has multiple arrests, but ALSO FAILED TO ALERT the league about MORE THAN ONE of them. The league has an explicit policy that you have to report these, and he could be suspended for that alone.

If it had just been the strip club thing, the NFL may well have waited until the justice system was done with him. Instead, it was the umpteenth thing and better for the league to do something right away.

Also, you have to remember that for this incident, there is a related shooting, and that means that no one is going ahead with any charges until they figure out who they can charge with what. For all we know, they have a slam dunk assault case vs pacman and the league knows it, but have not brought it while they wait to see whether he can be charged in the shooting too.

[Ness]

i coundnt disagree more........for every black QB drafted there are 5 white QB drafted and thats haow it has been for years.

The current black QB that are in the league arent anything special. Culpepper will be forgot about after his career is over Leftwich will have the same fate. Vick will never be remembered as a passer and the same could happen to Young.

McNabb and McNair will be potential HOFer and even that is boarderline based on the Championships they have which equal 0, not to mention McNabb cant stay health which is the knock on scrambling QB.

I personally think Russell will not be an all pro in the NFL, but it is impossible to know at this point.

Yes, Donovan McNabb and Steve McNair weren't special to the Philadelphia Eagles or Tennessee Titans at all. Just ask the fans!

[Ness]

shocker you didnt read my post before you wrote.:nonono:

No, I did read it. In your opinion Donovan McNabb and Steve McNair aren't anything special, regardless if they've been the best quarterback each franchise has ever had.

[Ness]

i wrote that they are both potential HOFer.

Why'd you write that though if you said they aren't even special?

[Ness]

and you would have seen that if you read the post.

...

I'm still wondering why you're admitting to contradicting yourself in that certain post we're talking about. What point are you trying to make about the black quarterbacks that play in today's NFL. You at first say they're not that special, but then turnaround and say that McNabb and McNair will be borderline Hall of Fame candidates. That conflicts...because if they indeed aren't "special", then they wouldn't be borderline Hall of Famers.

[Ness]

are McNabb and McNair currently special?

In my opinion, yes.

[SB49er4life]

There's been excellent black QB's in the NFL, excellent PASSING black QB's in the NFL; just because they haven't won does not have anything to do with their QB ability, it's jsut the way it goes.

Black athletes tend to be more explosive and have more quick twitch than white athletes, so your gonna see more successful white QB's just based on the sheer number of them in the league compared to black ones.

If you can't accept by this point that blacks tend to have more raw athletic ability than white athletes, take your rose colored glasses off, grab a tissue, and take a look around the league at everything from measureables, playing styles, and how many of each are at the skill positions that require the greatest fast-twitch ability.

If we can't put biases, emotions, and political correctness aside to find accurate answers, why even bother with this debate ?

We are talking about nature here, survival of the fittest, and adapting to environments. Yes, we are all humans, but through hundreds and even thousands of years our bodies adapt to different environments. Just like all dogs may be dogs, but there are some who are better built for different activities. A type of dog who is trained to chase down animals in hunting for several hundreds of years is going to be faster and more athletic than a species of dog who has been asked to guard a farm or herd sheep.

[Ness]

so why do you think black QB havent had succsess that white QB's have had.

the QB position requires more then athlethic ability, it requires quick thinking, problem solving, tons of studying and the ability to remain level headed under a great deal of pressure.

So if black QB's have more athlethic ability then I say white QB's are more mentally gifted.

So you're saying black people are dumber than white people. Hmmm...I'd watch it. You may get banned on the track you're traveling on. Athletic ability can traced back in terms of ancestors. I'm not so sure about the intelligence of human beings.

[Ness]

so it's O.K. to say white people have less ability when it comes to quickness and speed but not alright to say white people have greater mental ability in the game of football.

I dont live by the same double standard you do.

Where did I say that white people were less athletic? I just said they've had less success. Again, how do you trace back intelligence in terms of ancestry?

[Ness]

Blacks are better at everything.

I'm flattered, but thanks. :smile:

[Ness]

why would I need to track anything..........black QB have not had anywhere close to the success that white QB have had so I came to a conclusion just like you have about white CB.

And just so you know there have been a ton of white cb through out the history of football.

You said the quarterback position has a ton to do with in terms of studying, intelligence, etc. Athletic ability can be traced. Charles Darwin anyone? How about intelligence? How do you measure that? Do you use the same terms of measurement?

[Ness]

i really dont see why that would matter, but Im sure it can be traced.

Your getting stuck on a point that has nothing to do with the topic.

But you brought up intelligence as being a key factor to being successful in an argument. Now you say it doesn't matter.

Stuck at what point? If you mean race, that's doesn't really make sense, since the issue of the thread itself has to do with race.

[jmichura]

re: Double Standard

It's ok to say that black athletes run faster, jump higher are stronger and have better instincts. But God forbid somebody say that white athletes are smarter. This simply isn't fair. But at the same time, I wonder if it has to do with races and minorities so much as it has to do with the traits in question.

I think that it is a sensitive issue because of the trait as much as it is about some anti-white double standard (which obviosuly exists). I think that there is a big difference in seriousness between a race being observed not being able to run as fast or jump as high, and a race being dumber. On top of that, the notion that blacks specifically are not intelligent or civilized is very sensitive given how history has unfolded.

It should also be noted that intelligence opens alot more doors than being able to run fast, jump high, and bress press combined.

re: Black QB's

There are many more good white QB's than black QB's. That is a no-brainer. But why is that? At the risk of sounding racist, I will just say it. I think that white QB's are smarter QB's than black QB's. Did he just say that? Is he joking? Yes, I said it. No, I am not joking. Just to get some things out of the way, I'll a few points.

1) Finding one smart black QB and one dumb white QB does not disprove my statement.

2) It is a casual observation. I do not have the data regarding wonderlic score to prove anything.

3) I am not saying that whites are smarter than blacks nor am I even saying that white QB's are smarter (in general) than black QB's.

Why would white QB's be smarter QB's than black QB's?

There are many POSSIBLE answers. Here is what I think are some of the contributors:

1) People like to immitate others who are like them. I think that this contributes to maintaining a trend, but not what starts it. If the majority of white QB's are pocket QB's, then white kids are likelier to picture themself as a pocket QB. The same goes for black running QB's and black kids. The more even the tendencies become (examples are Steve Young and Byron Leftwich), then less this will be a factor.

2) The skills that are fostered in you may vary depending on your race. In this case, other people's racial observations are at work. I think that white atheltic QB's may be treated differently than black athletic QB's. It wouldn't surprise me that a white athletic QB be encouraged more not to rely on his legs than a black QB of the same athleticism. I don't at all think that this sort of thing is intentional but I woulnd't be surprised if it happens.

3) People tend to perform to perceived expectations. I think that there is a higher PERCEIVED expectation for a white QB to be a pocket passer than to be a running QB. Similarly, I think the same applies for black QB's and a running style. I think that this motivates people in two different ways. For most, it motivates them to follow the norm and perform to expectations. But for some, I think it drives them to defy the expectation. This is similar to the first point but they are different. In the first point, a white kid WANTS to play like Peyton Manning. In this one, the kid is being made aware that he SHOULD play like Peyton.

I think that the subject of racial difference due to environment and genetics involves much more than I woudl every want to study. It is certainly alot more complicated than the points I explained. However, I do think that they are contributing factors.

[Ness]

re: Black QB's

There are many more good white QB's than black QB's. That is a no-brainer. But why is that? At the risk of sounding racist, I will just say it. I think that white QB's are smarter QB's than black QB's. Did he just say that? Is he joking? Yes, I said it. No, I am not joking. Just to get some things out of the way, I'll a few points.

1) Finding one smart black QB and one dumb white QB does not disprove my statement.

2) It is a casual observation. I do not have the data regarding wonderlic score to prove anything.

3) I am not saying that whites are smarter than blacks nor am I even saying that white QB's are smarter (in general) than black QB's.

Then what are you saying exactly?

[Ness]

:falldownlaugh:

:falldownlaugh:

[Ness]

2) The skills that are fostered in you may vary depending on your race. In this case, other people's racial observations are at work. I think that white atheltic QB's may be treated differently than black athletic QB's. It wouldn't surprise me that a white athletic QB be encouraged more not to rely on his legs than a black QB of the same athleticism. I don't at all think that this sort of thing is intentional but I woulnd't be surprised if it happens.

This I agree with. In my opinion I think there is still some form of slight discrimination going on in terms of evaluating football players in the pros from professional personnel. But I don't think a race being more intelligent than another at a certain aspect of football has anything to do with it.

[jmichura]

Then what are you saying exactly?

Being a smarter QB is not the same as being smarter. Someone with a higher IQ may suck at making reads.

[SB49er4life]

so why do you think black QB havent had succsess that white QB's have had.

the QB position requires more then athlethic ability, it requires quick thinking, problem solving, tons of studying and the ability to remain level headed under a great deal of pressure.

So if black QB's have more athlethic ability then I say white QB's are more mentally gifted.

Just based on the sheer number of white QB's in the history of the NFL vs the number of black QB's, the odds are in their favor. I thought I had included that in the post, but maybe I forgot.

Most all black QB's have been more athletically gifted in terms of speed and raw explosion than white QB's; so your explanation could come in the form of black QB's not developing the mental aspect of quarterbacking because they tend to try and rely on their athletic ability to make plays because they know it's there. A less athletic QB, be it black or white, has to spend more time preparing and studying defense's because he doesn't have the athleticism to make plays with his feet.

[Ness]

Being a smarter QB is not the same as being smarter. Someone with a higher IQ may suck at making reads.

This I agree with.

[Ness]

on tracing back traits.

I am observing something and at the end of the observation I have an opinion.

It's really simple your just not getting it.

Well it would be nice if you backed up your observations of a whole race's intelligence on a certain aspect of sports.

[SB49er4life]

the same could be said for white CB.

Not really; CB at the NFL level requires you to have the utmost fast-twitch explosiveness of any position. QB doesn't.

It doesn't matter how well a CB knows his assignment, how hard he studies, or how great his technique is, if you are an average athlete playing QB, you will get ****ed all over the field.

If that wasn't the case, don't you think more white athletes would be recruited to play CB at big programs and you'd actually see some white guys as CB prospects every year ?

Look, I'm the furthest thing from racist, but these are just the facts. Even when you see a whiteboy CB/RB in college, everyone gets hyped up about it; wanna know why ? Because not many of them have the athleticism to match the other top RB's .

[Ness]

i stated this like 3 pages ago.

Was it a conversation between me and you? Because all I saw was us talking about how you don't think any of the current black quarterbacks in the NFL are special.

[Ness]

the fact that black QB's have had no where close to the success that white QB have had.

that's what I have used to back my observation..........I have repeated this time and time again..........you have got to start paying attention.

So that makes black quarterbacks less intelligent? Yeah, that's some real insight there buddy. It never had anything to do with opportunity or anything like that. :rolleyes2:

[Ness]

for Bluestar

at no point did i say white people where smarter in general I said in the game of football.

Yes, this point I already figured out a while ago. You think white quarterbacks are smarter than black quarterbacks in terms of football.

[Ness]

so why did you post asking when I said this?

Because I wanted you do have more insight on your argument. What basis are you using for your judgment? Stats? Super Bowls? Seriously, if anything, the real divider that you're not seeing is opportunity. Black quarterbacks still don't get the opportunity to play QB much like white people don't get the same one to play corner or halfback. How are you gonna say that one race is smarter in terms of understanding a certain aspect of football when the other one hasn't really had any opportunities to display what they've had? And before you say "Well how are you gonna say that one race is more athletic when...", that's because I'm using a reasoning deduced from an actual science to support my argument.

[Brian Jennings]

On the subject of black QBs vs. white, I don't think it's correct to say all white QBs are smarter or any nonsense like that. I think what happens is that you have a certain amount of white players that just have a head for the game and a good understanding, but unlike their black counterparts that may have just as much knowledge, they don't have as much athleticism to go with that. QB doesn't require you to be a gifted athlete, although it helps. I think what happens is they end up in that role to make use of that knowledge, while many of the black QBs get moved to positions that require both an athlete and a good mind.

[Ness]

there are plenty of oppurtunitys for black QB's in the NFL. One black QB has lead a team to a superbowl win. Last year theres was one black QB that lead his team to the playoffs (I think).

Maybe it's not that fact that there arent opportunitys, it's that black QB's just are getting beat out by white QB's.

Simple enough, my opinion is based on the information that the NFL has provided. Is that good enough for you, or do I need to include quotes from authors and use different scientific therioes.

I dont know how many times I have to say it........my opinion is..........my opinion............MY OPINION...............in my opinion.

Your not reading my post's before you respond. Slow down.......think.....then write.
Hahaha, so I guess white corners that are more athletic than the black corners they're going against, whether it be a training camp, or getting drafted, and still getting beat out, are just flat out worse? Even though they display better capabilities?

Yes, I did read your posts with no insight to them before I posted mine. Pssh, hahaha you can have your "opinion" if you want, but I still maintain my opinion that you should use more than NFL stats to prove your point. Go read the article Knobs posted. That basically is my argument I'm trying to tell you.

[Brian Jennings]

i would say for some but not all.Obviously not, but I think that is a major factor in the disparity. If you have a black guy and a white guy both with good football minds and between the two, the white guy isn't as athletic, you still want both on the field, what are you going to do?

[offtackle24]

what?

how many black college QB have gone on to great careers at a different position.
I know Randle El and Battle where college QB's but for the most part if a guy has success at the college level he will keep that position in the pros.

oh yeah and M-Rob.

doug williams, warren moon, steve mcnair for starters

[Ness]

doug williams, warren moon, steve mcnair for starters

I don't think you read the whole thing. Those guys all played quarterback in college.

[Ness]

this whole argument is stupid. to even suggest pacman was unfairly treated for being black is crazy. that guy is the biggest scum on the earth. how many times can your name come up with the police? i think he should be banned for life. if there was a white player out there with a thousand different cases, i guareentee that he would receieve the same treatment. and as for the black quarterback argument. the nfl is a billion dollar business, so do you really think that a coach would not put the best player on the field simplly for the fact that he is black? this is not the 1950's anymore. that argument is getting very old. besides black quarterbacks will just run with the ball like idiots anyways. they are supposed to throw the ball. put mike vick at running back and he might be worth something.

:hide:

[FranktheTank]

who else thinks he wouldnt have gotten the whole season if he was white?

basically this is what it came down to

http://pics.livejournal.com/ktempest/pic/0001w6h2

utterly disgusting:mouthclosed:

though this is expected from someone like you and your history of posts.

[FranktheTank]

Wow Misfitz. I never really thought of you as a bad poster until now, maybe I just didn't pay attention to your posts, but I I know this...

Every time I see your posts from now on I'll read them as if I'm reading the scribblings of an *****.

Horrible horrible post. You can't give negative rep, but you sure can hurt your rep.

REP!

[FranktheTank]

holy god **** i never expected to see this many bites jesus christ its been funny reading everyone overreaction to this

if i pissed you off get over it


i honestly cant believe people thought this was serious honestly did it even sound serious

the Monopoly card was funny get a sense of humour

I call BS.....

Your just trying to save face.
This was not a joke thread and by some of your previous posts on race issues, I was not the least bit surprised when I read your initial post.

[FranktheTank]

ive been laughing non stop at the crap spewed on here its actually very entertaining

Grow up kid.
You make an idiotic post, and then try to make it as if it was a joke and now you think its funny the way people reacted?
Can you stoop any lower?

[FranktheTank]

No, it's not funny. The fact of the matter is that people play that card way too often. Racism still exists, and crying wolf over every black and white situation minimizes the seriousness of the issue. Grow up, get educated and learn that the only race that matters is the human race.

REP!

[FranktheTank]

yay but not like some of these clowns in here this thread has honestly been down right hilarious to me

The only clown in this thread is you.

[FranktheTank]

Kind of ironic......

How so?
I don't go around making uneducated responses.
Telling a kid to grow up and act like an educated man is being childish?

[MisfitZ]

utterly disgusting:mouthclosed:

though this is expected from someone like you and your history of posts.

haha i was wondering when youd show up


what are my other posts on race? seriously how can you not tell the whole thing was a joke if i was serious why would i pull out a humourous picture?

[FranktheTank]

haha i was wondering when youd show up


what are my other posts on race? seriously how can you not tell the whole thing was a joke if i was serious why would i pull out a humourous picture?

I don't believe it was a joke and even if it was, your attempt at getting a laugh at the expense of others is pretty pathetic.
Especially when you gloat about it in one of the posts of yours I quoted on the other page.
Any way you want to look at it, it isn't a favorable situation to be in and shows a complete lack of maturity.

[FranktheTank]

It's like you're writing an auto-biography.

Really?
How so?(for the second time)
This coming from the arse clown of this MB
Why don't you go challenge someone to an NFL knowledge dual.:falldownlaugh:

[MisfitZ]

I don't believe it was a joke and even if it was, your attempt at getting a laugh at the expense of others is pretty pathetic.
Especially when you gloat about it in one of the posts of yours I quoted on the other page.
Any way you want to look at it, it isn't a favorable situation to be in and shows a complete lack of maturity.

This coming from you :falldownlaugh: :falldownlaugh: your serious? ok Frankthetank i wish i was as mature as you

Honestly i knew it would piss people off and i did it anyway i dont care what you think of my posts because you mean **** to me.

ya i did gloat about it because i didnt think so many people would take it seriously

and also you said given my previous posts on race id really like to see them unless like always your full of ****

[MisfitZ]

Really?
How so?(for the second time)
This coming from the arse clown of this MB
Why don't you go challenge someone to an NFL knowledge dual.:falldownlaugh:

What were you saying about maturity?

[MisfitZ]

Really?
How so?(for the second time)
This coming from the arse clown of this MB
Why don't you go challenge someone to an NFL knowledge dual.:falldownlaugh:

having comprehension difficulty?

he said that its like your writing about yourself(thats what a autobiography is) when you said i lacked maturity.................this post then confirmed what he said

[badass316]

Really?
How so?(for the second time)
This coming from the arse clown of this MB
Why don't you go challenge someone to an NFL knowledge dual.:falldownlaugh:

Dude stop biting on that guy's bait. Doesn't it occur to you that all that guy does is try to start shet with people and make great 1 liners?

[FranktheTank]

This coming from you :falldownlaugh: :falldownlaugh: your serious? ok Frankthetank i wish i was as mature as you

I wish you were as well and I also wish you knew how to type coherent sentences like me.

Honestly i knew it would piss people off and i did it anyway i dont care what you think of my posts because you mean **** to me.

how mature.
continue to show your true colors.
I may not mean ish to you, but it seems that you think it is "cool" to get a laugh at others' expense.
You pissed off some of the better posters on this MB and in the end only made yourself look bad, whether or not you were joking.
And you are only continuing to look bad with these follow up posts to mine.

ya i did gloat about it because i didnt think so many people would take it seriously

You gloated about it AFTER the fact peopel took it seriously.
You were either serious(which I think was the case) or you were trying to be cool and get a laugh at the expense of others.
It's like playing a joke on someone at their expense and not expecting them to take you seriously while the joke is in process.
That's the whole dynamics of a joke.
If it was a joke. it was a bad one. and the fact you gloated about others taking it seriously makes you look even worse.

[Trap_Star]

this whole argument is stupid. to even suggest pacman was unfairly treated for being black is crazy. that guy is the biggest scum on the earth. how many times can your name come up with the police? i think he should be banned for life. if there was a white player out there with a thousand different cases, i guareentee that he would receieve the same treatment. and as for the black quarterback argument. the nfl is a billion dollar business, so do you really think that a coach would not put the best player on the field simplly for the fact that he is black? this is not the 1950's anymore. that argument is getting very old. besides black quarterbacks will just run with the ball like idiots anyways. they are supposed to throw the ball. put mike vick at running back and he might be worth something.

:tiptoe:

[FranktheTank]

Dude stop biting on that guy's bait. Doesn't it occur to you that all that guy does is try to start shet with people and make great 1 liners?

Seriously
I've noticed the same thing.

[FranktheTank]

having comprehension difficulty?

he said that its like your writing about yourself(thats what a autobiography is) when you said i lacked maturity.................this post then confirmed what he said

uhh no...
he(your sidekick) was trying to say my post lacked maturity, when that wasn't the case and he has yet to explain himself after asking him to do so twice.
Me calling you out for the crap you post on this Mb is not lacking maturity.
The posts you make are the ones that lack maturity and I am just trying to show you how.
So maybe one day you grow up.

[MisfitZ]

I wish you were as well and I also wish you knew how to type coherent sentences like me.



how mature.
continue to show your true colors.
I may not mean ish to you, but it seems that you think it is "cool" to get a laugh at others' expense.
You pissed off some of the better posters on this MB and in the end only made yourself look bad, whether or not you were joking.
And you are only continuing to look bad with these follow up posts to mine.



You gloated about it AFTER the fact peopel took it seriously.
You were either serious(which I think was the case) or you were trying to be cool and get a laugh at the expense of others.
It's like playing a joke on someone at their expense and not expecting them to take you seriously while the joke is in process.
That's the whole dynamics of a joke.
If it was a joke. it was a bad one. and the fact you gloated about others taking it seriously makes you look even worse.

yes your the mature one let me be just like you o wait your immature as well.

Yeah i pissed off some of the better posters but thats not my problem if they cant realize it was a joke

Am i supposed to gloat about it being taken seriously before it happens?

i was going for the laugh and i got it

[MisfitZ]

uhh no...
he(your sidekick) was trying to say my post lacked maturity, when that wasn't the case and he has yet to explain himself after asking him to do so twice.
Me calling you out for the crap you post on this Mb is not lacking maturity.
The posts you make are the ones that lack maturity and I am just trying to show you how.
So maybe one day you grow up.

my supposed sidekick......did you not say this to him

This coming from the arse clown of this MB
Why don't you go challenge someone to an NFL knowledge dual.

your right your not immature at all.......Calling someone an arse clown and then making fun of them is completely mature? Guess im mature then too

[FranktheTank]

yes your the mature one let me be just like you o wait your immature as well.

Yeah i pissed off some of the better posters but thats not my problem if they cant realize it was a joke

Am i supposed to gloat about it being taken seriously before it happens?

i was going for the laugh and i got it

So you getting your laugh at the expense of others' doesn't show how much of a __________(enter explicit word here) you are?
Do you not see the childish nature of how getting a laugh at the expense of others' in such a manner isn't cool and in the end makes you look bad whether it was a joke or not?
Obviously not and that further proves my point.
Have a nice day.

[MisfitZ]

So you getting your laugh at the expense of others' doesn't show how much of a __________(enter explicit word here) you are?
Do you not see the childish nature of how getting a laugh at the expense of others' in such a manner isn't cool and in the end makes you look bad whether it was a joke or not?
Obviously not and that further proves my point.
Have a nice day.

its like your describing yourself............You do the same thing you say things to posters to get a laugh.........

[FranktheTank]

my supposed sidekick......did you not say this to him



your right your not immature at all.......Calling someone an arse clown and then making fun of them is completely mature? Guess im mature then too

He made himself out to be one and I don't think many would deny such a label for him.
It was a bit immature, but very much called for by someone that called me immature without any explanation BEFORE I called him that.
It still doesn't surmount to the level of immaturity you have demonstrated in this thread you created.
Don't don't try to distract from that fact.

[FranktheTank]

its like your describing yourself............You do the same thing you say things to posters to get a laugh.........

No I don't, and even if so, never on such a catastrophic level.
Stop making this about me.
Do my actions justify yours?

[FranktheTank]

I know more than you about football.:fishing:

:link:

[Ness]

He made himself out to be one and I don't think many would deny such a label for him.
It was a bit immature, but very much called for by someone that called me immature without any explanation BEFORE I called him that.
It still doesn't surmount to the level of immaturity you have demonstrated in this thread you created.
Don't don't try to distract from that fact.

FrankTheTank, even though he started it first, you would have made yourself look better if you didn't display the same actions of the person you're criticizing.

[FranktheTank]

FrankTheTank, even though he started it first, you would have made yourself look better if you didn't display the same actions of the person you're criticizing.

Calling his buddy an arse clown was a bit uncalled for, but it still doesn't take away from the facts I have presented against Misfitz.
He can call me just as immature as himself, but that still doesn't justify his faults.

[MisfitZ]

He made himself out to be one and I don't think many would deny such a label for him.
It was a bit immature, but very much called for by someone that called me immature without any explanation BEFORE I called him that.
It still doesn't surmount to the level of immaturity you have demonstrated in this thread you created.
Don't don't try to distract from that fact.

im not distracting from that fact it just doesnt mean anything coming from you

[FranktheTank]

im not distracting from that fact it just doesnt mean anything coming from you

Fine, also tell that to the others who have read this wreck of a thread.

[MisfitZ]

Fine, also tell that to the others who have read this wreck of a thread.

why i like them not you

[MisfitZ]

I think FranktheTank is mad because he's white. :fishing:

i wonder if he thinks im black or if im white or asian?


also im still waiting to hear my former racist comments

[FranktheTank]

why i like them not you

You still don't understand do you?:thud:
You also pissed them off for making this thread WHETHER OR NOT it was a joke.
Thank you, come again.

[FranktheTank]

i wonder if he thinks im black or if im white or asian?


also im still waiting to hear my former racist comments

Your race is not of significance.
If I had to guess I would say white.

[MisfitZ]

Your race is not of significance.
If I had to guess I would say white.

correct sir so what are my other racist things ive said? still waiting

[MisfitZ]

I only found 2. :laugh:

**** ive been found out

[FranktheTank]

This is misfits thread though, so aren't you the one coming again?

:nolisten:

The come again part was welcoming him to reply to my post.

[FranktheTank]

Wow, you are racist. Way to use sterotypes.





:fishing:

You like fishing don't you?

[MisfitZ]

i think me and frank need to meet up on Gridironfans.com

mainly so i dont get banned here

[FranktheTank]

Your post in his thread? It's him that welcomes you. Get it right.

:thud:
You put it in the context you wanted.
See I can say it to you too, does that mean it is your thread as well?
Thank you come again.

[FranktheTank]

i think me and frank need to meet up on Gridironfans.com

mainly so i dont get banned here

why would you get banned?
you can't have a civilized conversation here?

[Trap_Star]

Wow, you are racist. Way to use sterotypes.



:fishing:

i would'nt be calling people out if i was you... (http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showpost.php?p=821333&postcount=114)

[FranktheTank]

You still don't understand do you?:thud:
You also pissed them off for making this thread WHETHER OR NOT it was a joke.
Thank you, come again.

Bump.

[FranktheTank]

You are in misfits thread. So isn't you that's coming again?

sure, whatever to make you stop.:pullhair:

[FranktheTank]

I'm done with you two kids, continue posting your childish drivel.

EDIT: I see someones post have been deleted, I wonder why?:shades:

[FranktheTank]

I am to young to drive. :nonono:


I could have guessed that.:laugh:
Are you in 5th or 6th grade?

[FranktheTank]

Wow, this really shows how immature you are. I'm going into 8th dumb butt.

Sorry, you have exhibited elementary school quality posts.
I guess the quality of education is really diminishing in this country.

[FranktheTank]

Irony.....

only in your eyes.
that's the true irony of it.