Injuries your team can't afford

[LVSolidSnake]

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks/0-2-155/Injuries-your-team-can-t-afford.html

I thought this was a cool topic to talk about. I thought maybe we can expand the discussion in our message board

After looking at some of these people's responses from the link, I feel fortunate that the 49ers have pretty good depth at pretty much all positions. The only concerns I can think of is losing Gore and maybe D-line even though we have linebackers that have D-line experience. Any other thoughts?

[Eaglesfandan]

Brain Westbrook.......:tiptoe:

[Optimus Moo]

Brain Westbrook.......:tiptoe:

:laugh:

Anyways, I'll look at the two teams in my state:

-- Cincinnati: Carson Palmer. Been there, done that.

-- Cleveland: Joe Thomas. For as much as they try to rebuild that team, it seems like every key player gets hurt. KWII, Edwards, Bentley... if Thomas gets hurt, they'll be screwed -- again!

[McDude]

Brain Westbrook.......:tiptoe:
Drink much? :laugh:

[Eaglesfandan]

How about the human injury Correll Buckhalter?

Yeah that has really mattered in recent years. Kinda like frank gore. He has blown both knees out but is still playing. If Buck goes down it's business as usual. Frank gore on the other hand, and Smitty having to drop back more than expected.......:tiptoe:

[Eaglesfandan]

Drink much? :laugh:

Hey it said injuries your team can't afford. That's all I read......:falldownlaugh:

[Optimus Moo]

Yeah that has really mattered in recent years. Kinda like frank gore. He has blown both knees out but is still playing. If Buck goes down it's business as usual. Frank gore on the other hand, and Smitty having to drop back more than expected.......:tiptoe:

Pun intended? :laugh:

[Eaglesfandan]

Pun intended? :laugh:

Well??

And HEYAL YES I'm drunk........:falldownlaugh: :shots:

[Optimus Moo]

Well??

And HEYAL YES I'm drunk........:falldownlaugh: :shots:

Drunk just to be drunk? Or did Kolb get announced as the starting QB today and I missed it? :laugh:

[jmichura]

I will do you one better. I will try to make a list for every team in the league.

NFC

West:

49ers - Gore
Cards - Leinart
Hawks - Hasselbeck
Rams - Bulger

East:

Giants - Shockey
Eagles - Westbrook
Cowboys - Owens
Redskins - Portis

North:

Bears - Tommy Harris
Vikings - Tavares Jackson (it would set them back in terms of evaluating him)
Packers - Favre (though they would be better off if he retired)
Lions - Kitna

South:

Panthers - Smith
Bucs - Cadillac
Falcons - Brooking
Saints - Brees

AFC

West:

Broncos - Cutler (they need to have him gain experience)
Chargers - Gates
Raiders - Sapp (or one of their young corners)
Cheifs - LJ

East:

Pats - Brady
Jets - Pennington (they always do badly when he's hurt)
Dolphins - Taylor
Bills - Lee Evans (as if this team could afford to lose any more players)

South:

Colts - Manning (no-brainer)
Jags - Mathis (certainly not gonna pick a QB)
Texans - Schaub
Titans - Young (they have nobody else on offense as it is)

North:

Ravens - McAllister
Steelers - Willie Parker
Bengals - Palmer
Browns - Joe Thomas (they need to get him experience sooner than later)

[McDude]

Well??

And HEYAL YES I'm drunk........:falldownlaugh: :shots:

Do you drink out of a Koy Detmer cup? :falldownlaugh:

[Eaglesfandan]

Texans - Schaub


Wow, Schaub is the missing link to a Texans Super Bowl huh?

:falldownlaugh:

Good list though........:D

[Eaglesfandan]

Drunk just to be drunk? Or did Kolb get announced as the starting QB today and I missed it? :laugh:

Aw crap time to change my avatar. I forgot he will see the field as a starter because the guy that's already there won't if DM goes down.....:D

[Eaglesfandan]

Do you drink out of a Koy Detmer cup? :falldownlaugh:

Neck Beard ain't got nothin on me!!!!!!!:shots:

[Optimus Moo]

Aw crap time to change my avatar. I forgot he will see the field as a starter because the guy that's already there won't if DM goes down.....:D

Your avatar reminds me of Dane Cook every time I see it, even though I know it's not Dane Cook.

[Eaglesfandan]

Your avatar reminds me of Dane Cook every time I see it, even though I know it's not Dane Cook.

It's AJ's Feeley..........:D

[Optimus Moo]

It's AJ's Feeley..........:D

So what's your new avatar going to be?

[Eaglesfandan]

So what's your new avatar going to be?

KEVN KOLBZZZ WTFZZ!11!!!

I don't know......:D

[BigB_85]

Brain Westbrook.......:tiptoe:

TONY HUNT = LARRY JOHNSON AND YOU HAVE RENO MAHE HOLLA

[Optimus Moo]

KEVN KOLBZZZ WTFZZ!11!!!

I don't know......:D

I think you need a photoshopped Andy Reid again, like that one Cheesesteak picture you had. Along those lines.

[RedskinsFan86]

NFC
East:
Giants - Plaxico Burress
Eagles - Westbrook
Cowboys - Romo
Redskins - Portis Why do people keep saying Portis in this thread? Not having Portis last year certainly limited our running game, but if Campbell went down and Brunell started...good grief, there'd be zero hope. Even without Portis, once Campbell started to turn it up and Betts started running well in Saunders' scheme, we became much more competitive- it was our defense giving games away. Boonell starting would be much worse, then we'd have 9 guys in the box again and no chance.

If I were an Eagles fan, I'd be much more worried about McNabb going down again than Westbrook. Westbrook can do what he does behind that offensive line pretty well, but last year the Eagles had a fortunate situation with Garcia being able to step in and do well in that West Coast offense along with a good run ratio with Westbrook to back him up. But if McNabb goes down this year, then what? A.J. Feeley steps in? Kolb? Teams will just key on Westbrook and stack the box. Neither of those QB's are going to balance the offense like Garcia did.

I think for the Broncos, it also comes down to the QB. If Cutler goes down in Denver, they're finished. Who's gonna start? Ramsey? Probably not, supposedly he stinks right now, so Patrick Parsons would. They could lose Bailey and I don't think it'd mean as much to their win/loss total as losing Cutler.

[Lodi49erFan]

49ers-Mike Nolan
The 49er Drumline
Sourdough Sam

[jmichura]

Wow, Schaub is the missing link to a Texans Super Bowl huh?

:falldownlaugh:

Good list though........:D

lol, no.

The reason I put Schaub is because they need to get him up to speed as well as be able to evaluate him extensively. If he gets injured for the season, it would set them back a year in that process. If you are gonna have a bust at QB, you would rather know sooner than later so you can plan for getting a new one in advance.

[jmichura]

Why do people keep saying Portis in this thread? Not having Portis last year certainly limited our running game, but if Campbell went down and Brunell started...good grief, there'd be zero hope. Even without Portis, once Campbell started to turn it up and Betts started running well in Saunders' scheme, we became much more competitive- it was our defense giving games away. Boonell starting would be much worse, then we'd have 9 guys in the box again and no chance.

If I were an Eagles fan, I'd be much more worried about McNabb going down again than Westbrook. Westbrook can do what he does behind that offensive line pretty well, but last year the Eagles had a fortunate situation with Garcia being able to step in and do well in that West Coast offense along with a good run ratio with Westbrook to back him up. But if McNabb goes down this year, then what? A.J. Feeley steps in? Kolb? Teams will just key on Westbrook and stack the box. Neither of those QB's are going to balance the offense like Garcia did.

I think for the Broncos, it also comes down to the QB. If Cutler goes down in Denver, they're finished. Who's gonna start? Ramsey? Probably not, supposedly he stinks right now, so Patrick Parsons would. They could lose Bailey and I don't think it'd mean as much to their win/loss total as losing Cutler.

The reason I put Portis is because he is probably harder to replace than Campbell in terms of productivity. I will admit that I do not pay much attention to the Skins. As for Brunell, his completion % was over 62% his TD/INT ratio was 2.0 and his rating was 86.5. It just didn't seem that bad to me.

As for McNabb, Feeley has stepped in his place before and did well. The Eagles also seem to rely on passing to their backs. The other thing to consider is that without McNabb, their offense seems to be alot more balanced, which is probably good for them.

[Wisco N9ner]

The reason I put Portis is because he is probably harder to replace than Campbell in terms of productivity. I will admit that I do not pay much attention to the Skins. As for Brunell, his completion % was over 62% his TD/INT ratio was 2.0 and his rating was 86.5. It just didn't seem that bad to me.


I'd think that if that team lost Sean Taylor, it would be a bigger blow to them if they were to lose Jason Campbell or Clinton Portis. If Portis got injured, they would lean on Ladell Betts to perform the way he did last year. If Campbell was injured, Brunell would come in and perform decent. But if Sean Taylor was injured, who would they have on defense to scare offenses? This Pro Bowl safety is worth alot to their team. Their defense would be near the bottom of the league without Sean Taylor.

[ProBowl06]

For the Colts, I'd say Jim Sorgi. He really runs the offense of the Scout team efficiently.

Honestly, Peyton and it's really not close (with respect to Bob Sanders and Marvin Harrison); he is the Indianapolis Colt.

[Eaglesfandan]

If I were an Eagles fan, I'd be much more worried about McNabb going down again than Westbrook. Westbrook can do what he does behind that offensive line pretty well, but last year the Eagles had a fortunate situation with Garcia being able to step in and do well in that West Coast offense along with a good run ratio with Westbrook to back him up. But if McNabb goes down this year, then what? A.J. Feeley steps in? Kolb? Teams will just key on Westbrook and stack the box. Neither of those QB's are going to balance the offense like Garcia did.

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O RLY?? (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/category/eagles/2006/12/31/a-j-feeley-dominates-leads-eagles-into-playoffs-with-win/)

[jmichura]

I'd think that if that team lost Sean Taylor, it would be a bigger blow to them if they were to lose Jason Campbell or Clinton Portis. If Portis got injured, they would lean on Ladell Betts to perform the way he did last year. If Campbell was injured, Brunell would come in and perform decent. But if Sean Taylor was injured, who would they have on defense to scare offenses? This Pro Bowl safety is worth alot to their team. Their defense would be near the bottom of the league without Sean Taylor.

Except that their defense was the 2nd worst in terms of yards last year and 6th worst in terms of points. I doubt that very many offenses were that scared of them last year.

[Montana_Magic]

Except that their defense was the 2nd worst in terms of yards last year and 6th worst in terms of points. I doubt that very many offenses were that scared of them last year.

And Taylor contributed to those yards too. He was overrated and did not deserve to go to the pro bowl. And having Landry as a safety, would make the loss of Taylor, imo, a lot less extreme then the loss of Campbell. Brunell looks shot, and losing Campbell for the year would mean the Skins would lose their best shot they have for the playoffs.

[RedskinsFan86]

O RLY?? (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/category/eagles/2006/12/31/a-j-feeley-dominates-leads-eagles-into-playoffs-with-win/) Whoopee, Feeley did well against a completely dead 7-9 Falcons team that had one of the lesser pass defenses in the NFL, playing against a team that had already clinched a playoff spot. Feeley's whole thing is basically playing well in a couple meaningless games, and doing decent in 2002 starting when the Eagles had a better defense then they do now. I think any fan of the Giants/Redskins/Cowboys certainly wouldn't mind seeing Feeley start the game against them. And it's not like he'd start anyway- Kolb probably would to get him experience, and I doubt a rookie's going to just come in and carry you guys. Westbrook and McNabb both have injury histories, and the team needs total balance in order to keep those injuries from recurring. If one goes out, the other's going to be headed for trouble. Last year was the perfect situation with Garcia and Westbrook stepping up to handle running the ball- while I agree with the thought process the Eagles had with not resigning Garcia considering he wanted to be a starter somewhere, I also think he really did more than some people give him credit for with that team. It wasn't just like Westbrook was running against 9 man fronts- something I think he'd see a lot more of with Kolb or ol' A.J. under center.

The reason I put Portis is because he is probably harder to replace than Campbell in terms of productivity. I will admit that I do not pay much attention to the Skins. As for Brunell, his completion % was over 62% his TD/INT ratio was 2.0 and his rating was 86.5. It just didn't seem that bad to me. 90% of Brunell's passes were thrown behind the line or under 20 yards. 90%. 73% of those were behind the line or under 10 yards. 8% of his throws were towards the middle of the field. When you're a veteran QB, you need to be better than that, that's a joke. Betts did surprisingly well last year filling in for Portis, but he can't find the endzone to save his life the way Portis can, but he can still crank out the yards and run tough enough to keep up a good rushing attack. Without Campbell though, boy, I'd be really depressed about how the season would likely go. We'd need a top 10 defense for sure to even try to stay competitive, and I think a 10-15 ranked defense is more likely.

And Taylor contributed to those yards too. He was overrated and did not deserve to go to the pro bowl. And having Landry as a safety, would make the loss of Taylor, imo, a lot less extreme then the loss of Campbell. Brunell looks shot, and losing Campbell for the year would mean the Skins would lose their best shot they have for the playoffs. Ehhh, not so fast. Taylor's no hack in coverage, he's proven his ability to cover in the NFL in 2004 and most of 2005, and was arguably a better cover safety at Miami than Ed Reed was. Part of the problem last year, as I've said countless times on this board, was that we virtually had zero defenders last year that were healthy. We were relying on rookie defensive tackles, 4th/5th string corners, journeymen safeties, and linebackers playing with injuries like hip and shoulder issues. Redskins fans like to give Carlos Rogers tons of heat for last year for his coverage (and plenty look down on Taylor for last year too), but neither of them played that poorly, the greater issue was having bums all around them. Taylor had to cover for Archuleta/Rumph/Kenny Wright/Troy Vincent/Vernon Fox/Ade Jimoh...coverage broke down all the time, and Taylor probably messed up a couple of his own assignments because he had to try to scramble across the field to cover for someone else who screwed up. Wisco N9ner exaggerated a little when describing Taylor's dominance, but you'd be surprised how important he can be to the defense when everyone else is doing what they're supposed to. Biggest case in point- our loss to the Bucs in regular season in 2005; Taylor missed that game with a hurt ankle and Chris Simms was bombing deep all day. Come the playoff game rematch with Taylor playing, Simms couldn't throw deep at all and Taylor was busy coming from across the field to take fumbles for TDs until he went idiotic and got himself ejected. He's easily one of the top 3 players on the defense and would start for the vast majority of teams in the NFL, he just had a lesser year last year just like everyone else did.

You are however correct with the addition of Landry helping Taylor along with Brunell being trash.

[daredevil2-5]

pretty much everyone now

[RedskinsFan86]

Derrick Brooks, but pretty much everyone now I missed that big Derrick Brooks to Atlanta trade...

[Eaglesfandan]

[QUOTE=RedskinsFan86;908554]Whoopee, Feeley did well against a completely dead 7-9 Falcons team that had one of the lesser pass defenses in the NFL, playing against a team that had already clinched a playoff spot. Feeley's whole thing is basically playing well in a couple meaningless games, and doing decent in 2002 starting when the Eagles had a better defense then they do now.

I was being sarcastic bunghole, but the bold part is right. Once again you pretty much nailed though........ :banana4:

[daredevil2-5]

I missed that big Derrick Brooks to Atlanta trade...
I didn't, I clicked new thread, sent me to this one when I was posting in the divisional one

[Eaglesfandan]

And I really doubt Kolb would see the field unless Feeley went down too......

[Montana_Magic]

I'm just saying, Taylor was statistically one of the weaker safety's in terms of coverage(both as free and direct coverage). I am not saying the Skins are better off without him, cause they are def not. But what i am saying, is that the loss of Campbell hurts them more then the loss of Taylor would.

[ProBowl06]

And I really doubt Kolb would see the field unless Feeley went down too......

Yeah, Kolb has been in the same offensive system since HS. Unless McNabb gets hurt RIGHT NOW and is out for the year then Feeley tears his ACL in freak golfing accident; Kolb won't play much.

[Eaglesfandan]

Yeah, Kolb has been in the same offensive system since HS. Unless McNabb gets hurt RIGHT NOW and is out for the year then Feeley tears his ACL in freak golfing accident; Kolb won't play much.

That's my thought, but Fat Andy has done strange stuff before......

[ProBowl06]

That's my thought, but Fat Andy has done strange stuff before......

Mhm, being from NJ, you see most of the stuff firsthand. But for the most part, he has a good idea of what he's doing.

[Eaglesfandan]

Mhm, being from NJ, you see most of the stuff firsthand. But for the most part, he has a good idea of what he's doing.

Trust me I ain't complaining. No Super Bowls, but the younger Eagle fans have no idea how bad this team has been before the Reid era.....:nonono:

[RedskinsFan86]

I was being sarcastic bunghole, but the bold part is right. Once again you pretty much nailed though........ :banana4: Sorry- it's just have I've heard a lot of Feeley love from some other Eagles fans thinking he could be Jeff Garcia part 2 if need be.

As for Kolb- in a scenario where McNabb would get hurt let's say, mid-season, and it became Feeley leading the show, I think it'd be a stretch to make the playoffs at best. Once it started to become clear the Eagles would miss out on the playoffs mathematically, I could see Reid putting Kolb in, playing some halves or whatever to ease into the system. At that point, there'd be nothing to gain by having Feeley taking all the snaps still. Plus (and I admit I haven't followed the situation too closely yet), I thought I remembered hearing Kolb has looked alright so far, so it wouldn't necessarily be disastrous to get him some good playing time. Maybe for McNabb's ego, but not for the good of the Eagles.

[Eaglesfandan]

Sorry- it's just have I've heard a lot of Feeley love from some other Eagles fans thinking he could be Jeff Garcia part 2 if need be.

As for Kolb- in a scenario where McNabb would get hurt let's say, mid-season, and it became Feeley leading the show, I think it'd be a stretch to make the playoffs at best. Once it started to become clear the Eagles would miss out on the playoffs mathematically, I could see Reid putting Kolb in, playing some halves or whatever to ease into the system. At that point, there'd be nothing to gain by having Feeley taking all the snaps still. Plus (and I admit I haven't followed the situation too closely yet), I thought I remembered hearing Kolb has looked alright so far, so it wouldn't necessarily be disastrous to get him some good playing time. Maybe for McNabb's ego, but not for the good of the Eagles.

I can buy that scenario........