View Full Version : Leftwich to be traded. Update:officially released
Montana_Magic
08-31-2007, 02:24 PM
Horrible mistake by the Jags. Garrard is average at best. Such a shame that defense is being wasted by that offense.
link- kffl.com
NinerRider
08-31-2007, 02:28 PM
Umm, that's not a link. :laugh: Don't know why they didn't sign Culpepper if they were just going to trade Leftwich.
BrentJones84
08-31-2007, 02:28 PM
Horrible mistake by the Jags. Garrard is average at best. Such a shame that defense is being wasted by that offense.
link- kffl.com
Holly cow. I figured you were kidding, but no, KFFL really says that.
I knew he was in hot water when the Jags went after Culpepper, but this seems like season suicide.
BrentJones84
08-31-2007, 02:29 PM
More:
http://kffl.com/hotw/nfl
Jaguars | Garrard to start
Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:34:21 -0700
Chris Mortensen, of ESPN, reports Jacksonville Jaguars QB David Garrard will start for the team.
BrentJones84
08-31-2007, 02:30 PM
So, do the Falcons give Jacksonville a phone call?
NinerRider
08-31-2007, 02:31 PM
So, do the Falcons give Jacksonville a phone call?
They should, but that probably means they won't. I think Petrino is hoping they tank the season and get Brohm.
The Chiefs should give them a call too.
JANiners
08-31-2007, 02:34 PM
Actually I think Tampa and Jon Gruden are already on the phone to them.
Montana_Magic
08-31-2007, 02:35 PM
What about the Ravens? Wasn't it rumored that they wanted Leftwich the year he was drafted?
BrentJones84
08-31-2007, 02:37 PM
Somewhat unrelated, but makes you wonder:
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2998953&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl %2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3dpasquar elli_len%26id%3d2998953
Pasquarelli: Jags struggling to remain economically viable
A Jacksonville Jaguars spokesman acknowledged that the team had dismissed a pair of mid-level executives, ... because of the poor economic climate...
... to those who question the long-term viability of the Jacksonville franchise in one of the NFL's smallest markets, it was a bit of a red flag, a seemingly innocuous event that some felt actually might be bigger than the agate type that announced it.
Nothing gets people talking about buying tickets like a QB shake up.
BrentJones84
08-31-2007, 02:38 PM
Actually I think Tampa and Jon Gruden are already on the phone to them.
I don't think that needed to be in blue!! :laugh:
fabie
08-31-2007, 02:38 PM
Trade Alex with Byron! :hoppy:
DallasNiner
08-31-2007, 02:38 PM
Umm, that's not a link. :laugh: Don't know why they didn't sign Culpepper if they were just going to trade Leftwich.
Leftwich is just average as well. Not much of a loss. The jags have one of the most boring passing attacks to watch..average Qb's slow *** WR's. :zzz:
TracyJordan!
08-31-2007, 02:39 PM
Somewhat unrelated, but makes you wonder:
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2998953&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl %2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3dpasquar elli_len%26id%3d2998953
Nothing gets people talking about buying tickets like a QB shake up.
LA Jaguars?
NinerRider
08-31-2007, 02:45 PM
LA Jaguars?
Beat me to it.
BrentJones84
08-31-2007, 02:45 PM
Don't know why they didn't sign Culpepper if they were just going to trade Leftwich.
I read they offered him a 3 yr deal, and Culpepper turned it down.
Let me see if I can find a link.
papa burgundy
08-31-2007, 02:46 PM
one step closer to getting Quinn Gray in there.. then the Jags will win 27 straight Super Bowls.
majesstik1
08-31-2007, 02:46 PM
Horrible timing by JAX on this. You need to do this stuff earlier in the year for a couple of reasons...1) Respect, which it is obvious there is none between BL and the Jags...2) Value. Everyone already has brought in the QBs for camp preseason that they want to run with, now BL's going to be behind the curve wherever he lands.
JAX takes the "L"
majesstik1
08-31-2007, 02:47 PM
I read they offered him a 3 yr deal, and Culpepper turned it down.
Let me see if I can find a link.
Yeah, Pep was after a 1 year "Prove it" deal. He wanted to re-up his monetary value for next year, and didn't want to sign for wounded duck money.
BrentJones84
08-31-2007, 02:50 PM
Yeah, Pep was after a 1 year "Prove it" deal. He wanted to re-up his monetary value for next year, and didn't want to sign for wounded duck money.
OK, so I'm not the only one who heard that story.
But I can't find a link for it anywhere. :unsure:
Triple Threat
08-31-2007, 02:58 PM
Horrible timing by JAX on this. You need to do this stuff earlier in the year for a couple of reasons...1) Respect, which it is obvious there is none between BL and the Jags...2) Value. Everyone already has brought in the QBs for camp preseason that they want to run with, now BL's going to be behind the curve wherever he lands.
JAX takes the "L"
That's why they did it b/c they have absolutely no mutual respect for one another. Del Rio and Leftwich don't really get along.
Overall though Leftwich is never going to be a good QB. His mobility ranking on a 1 to 10 scale is a zero.
ALso the main problem is his throwing motion. He has the longest wind up ever. Defenses know what is coming and when. They have a much longer time to react and get the picks.
Leftwich would be a killer pitcher. He is has a long wind up, killer arm strength, and is fat and unmovable, which is ok for a pitcher and baseball player in general.. oh snap
OK, so I'm not the only one who heard that story.
But I can't find a link for it anywhere. :unsure:
Yeah it was 3 years and 15 million I am pretty sure
BrentJones84
08-31-2007, 03:24 PM
More on the story, from a different source:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/08/31/leftwich.release/index.html
The team has scheduled a 5:30 p.m. announcement today to say it is severing ties with Leftwich
The move was prompted by Leftwich's poor play in the preseason, and, one club source said, the thought that he was lackadaisical and placed little importance in how he practiced or played this summer ...Particularly disturbing was his play in an exhibition game at Green Bay two weeks ago,
You guys, there is no way this is a mistake. It was a move decided by an NFL coach...you think you know more than them? DO NOT QUESTION
BrentJones84
08-31-2007, 03:42 PM
You guys, there is no way this is a mistake. It was a move decided by an NFL coach...you think you know more than them? DO NOT QUESTION
Funny, you said the exact opposite when Nolan released Green a few days ago.
http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showthread.php?p=956619#post956619
I'm just not buying into the school of thought of "because these people are NFL coaches/GM's etc, we have no place to question them as mere fans." To that I say, these people are people just like we are. It's been proven that there are morons who get far in the business (just like any other profession) and make terrible decisions daily, and it is possible for a fan to be right when a coach is wrong.
http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showthread.php?p=954716#post954716
You assume that the people who determine who gets cut and who doesn't are always correct, and it's easy for them to separate "the best player". It doesn't work that way. Other factors play in--most notably, human error
http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showthread.php?p=954552#post954552
This is a mistake that's on Nolan. We just better pray that no one else (especially in the division) picks him up, so Nolan can have a chance to rectify his mistake.
majesstik1
08-31-2007, 03:50 PM
Overall though Leftwich is never going to be a good QB. His mobility ranking on a 1 to 10 scale is a zero.
I'm going to give you some stats and let you figure out who is who here.
......Adjusted Sack Rate....Runs......Yards
QB A ----- 4.8% ----- 66 ---- 135
QB B ----- 5.3% ---- 111 ---- 372
QB C ----- 8.4% ---- 110 ---- 318
QB D ----- 6.5% ----- 80 ---- 508
How would you rank the mobility of these four QBs? QB D is clearly the most mobile. QB A can avoid the rush, but doesn't scramble. QB C can scramble, but can't avoid the rush. QB B can do both.
QB A is Palmer, QB B is Leftwich, QB C is Roethlisberger, and QB D is Garrard
This is a really good example that Leftwich has earned a bad rap for not being mobile for no good reason. He can move just as well as anybody else, but because he doesn't run often, his mobility is criticized. He's not just a piece of furniture back there like Drew Bledsoe.
His throwing motion is a bit long, but I haven't seen many of his passes batted down at the line because of it. It just looks awkward, and is again another facet of his game that gets overblown by the media. The same people that keep pounding it into your head that Alex Smith has smaller hands than your little sister. Don't believe the hype.
majesstik1
08-31-2007, 03:51 PM
Funny, you said the exact opposite when Nolan released Green a few days ago.
http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showthread.php?p=956619#post956619
http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showthread.php?p=954716#post954716
http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showthread.php?p=954552#post954552
Why does anybody bother to provide an efforted post in response to Rexi? :stinker:
Funny, you said the exact opposite when Nolan released Green a few days ago.
http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showthread.php?p=956619#post956619
http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showthread.php?p=954716#post954716
http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showthread.php?p=954552#post954552
I was being sarcastic, genius. Wasn't exactly subtle...
BrentJones84
08-31-2007, 03:56 PM
I was being sarcastic, genius. Wasn't exactly subtle...
I don't know....you didn't use blue or a smiley face. Sarcasm isn't always so obvious when its just plain text on a screen. :tung:
I don't know....you didn't use blue or a smiley face. Sarcasm isn't always so obvious when its just plain text on a screen. :tung:
Hm. Thought it was pretty obvious....
Tracker
08-31-2007, 04:13 PM
I was being sarcastic, genius. Wasn't exactly subtle...
http://www.thespinband.com/Images/webIntroLogo1.GIF
http://www.thespinband.com/Images/webIntroLogo1.GIF
What, so you thought I was being serious? I was clearly mocking the dimwits on this board who use the argument "Mike Nolan is an NFL coach and you're not, so you can't possibly be right" when I disagree with a move that the team has made.
SB49er4life
08-31-2007, 04:20 PM
You guys, there is no way this is a mistake. It was a move decided by an NFL coach...you think you know more than them? DO NOT QUESTION
Obviously you respect a decision made by a coach whose seen a guy day in, day out for the last few years and has made pretty much no progress over a fan who hears this or that on ESPN and catches a few ball games on TV from a fan perspective.
LOrd DRen
08-31-2007, 04:41 PM
So, do the Falcons give Jacksonville a phone call?
Nah the Raiders will.:hoppy:
DraconisRex
08-31-2007, 04:55 PM
Horrible mistake by the Jags. Garrard is average at best. Such a shame that defense is being wasted by that offense.
link- kffl.com
As passers, they're pretty much about the same. However, Garrard adds a mobility dimension that Leftwich doesn't possess. With that said, I think that Leftwich could rebound to the "solid starter" he was in 2005 so who ever gets him will be getting a solid QB.
majesstik1
08-31-2007, 04:59 PM
As passers, they're pretty much about the same. However, Garrard adds a mobility dimension that Leftwich doesn't possess. With that said, I think that Leftwich could rebound to the "solid starter" he was in 2005 so who ever gets him will be getting a solid QB.
Just to elaborate on this...
They had the same W/L record last year, and posted almost identical completion percentages and success rates. Leftwich ran for more TDs than Garrard (2-0), but Garrard had twice Byron's yardage per carry.
ozzcows
08-31-2007, 07:40 PM
ehh, all 3 of them are interchangable.
Wow, this is quite surprising. I thought they would at least wait until his rookie contract was up to release him. I like David Garrard, he's not going to get sacked as much, but...I probably wouldn't trust him long term. This is his chance to actually start the season...as the starter. Hopefully he makes the most out of it.
Ronin 49er
08-31-2007, 08:13 PM
NFLTA: Jags go with Garrard
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d801fc144
This changes nothing, Jags still win the Superbowl.
mertonhanks36
08-31-2007, 09:06 PM
Byron Leftwich=Pro Bowl!!!
Time to give a call to old man Brunell.
"Welcome back, welcome back, wel-come back!!!"
Trap_Star
08-31-2007, 09:21 PM
the Jags might sign Andrew Walter.
mertonhanks36
08-31-2007, 09:22 PM
the Jags might sign Andrew Walter.
Did he get cut?
Trap_Star
08-31-2007, 09:24 PM
Did he get cut?
yes. Jax's OC was Walter's HC at Arizona State.
mertonhanks36
08-31-2007, 09:25 PM
yes. Jax's OC was Walter's HC at Arizona State.
Walter=Pro Bowl.
Well it wasn't surprising that Walter got cut. He doesn't seem to have made any progress.
mertonhanks36
08-31-2007, 09:44 PM
Well it wasn't surprising that Walter got cut. He doesn't seem to have made any progress.
If not for a shoulder injury he could easily been a Niner.
BrentJones84
08-31-2007, 09:48 PM
yes. Jax's OC was Walter's HC at Arizona State.
Where does it say he was cut?
Every article I've seen, including todays, just say he's been demoted, and in danger of being cut, but nothing thus far says he's actually been cut.
Trap_Star
08-31-2007, 09:52 PM
Where does it say he was cut?
Every article I've seen, including todays, just say he's been demoted, and in danger of being cut, but nothing thus far says he's actually been cut.
they trade for McCown and sign Culpepper. that makes him 3rd on the depth chart...and thats with out them signing Russell yet.
oh..and NFL network reported that he was cut.
offtackle24
08-31-2007, 10:08 PM
they trade for McCown and sign Culpepper. that makes him 3rd on the depth chart...and thats with out them signing Russell yet.
oh..and NFL network reported that he was cut.
interesting
audioaxes
09-01-2007, 07:55 AM
why show you cards on the table? now nobody will trade for him, theyll just wait for him to be released
49ermanic1
09-01-2007, 05:06 PM
wow, Im very surprised.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp07/news/story?id=2999662
BrentJones84
09-01-2007, 05:07 PM
Yup, he's been released:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d801fb8e1&template=with-video&confirm=true
JACKSONVILLE -- The Jacksonville Jaguars today released 19 players including quarterback Byron Leftwich,
majesstik1
09-17-2007, 06:05 PM
It's about time:
Falcons | Team to bring in Leftwich for physical
Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:54:45 -0700
ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports the Atlanta Falcons will bring in free-agent QB Byron Leftwich (Jaguars) for a physical.
Nice try, trying to pretend Yoey is an NFL QB...time to try something else.
NortyFiner
09-17-2007, 06:52 PM
The Jaguars and Leftwich parting ways has been foreshadowed at least since his second season, so this shouldn't surprise anyone. He was a problem child in the Jags' locker room, unpopular with the fans, and never even came close to living up to expectations.
Garrard is IMHO a better QB, and not just for mobility reasons; his attitude is better, he is liked by his teammates, and for what it's worth, he also has the confidence of the majority of the Jaguars' fans. So if the franchise is having as much financial trouble as rumors say, then dumping Leftwich for Garrard is a positive step for both the team on the field, and the franchise as a whole.
BrentJones84
09-17-2007, 06:54 PM
It's about time:
Nice try, trying to pretend Yoey is an NFL QB...time to try something else.
No kidding. I'm surprised they waited this long.
Funny, I didn't even know Atlanta played yesterday, I never saw any of them on the highlight shows. :laugh:
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