Tim Rattay about to start

[sandiegojoe]

Warner went into the locker room.... This could get interesting

[djdino]

Tim Rattah Tat Tay!

[sandiegojoe]

incomplete pass,
handoff,
fumble

[Doomsayer]

hahaha, this is ridiculous.

We got some weird things going on today.

[Argo49erFan]

He's playing for the Cards right now and has 2 fumbles so far. :hoppy:

[V LordofWar V]

Woot.

[49ers 4 Life]

yes

[esanton]

Good deal :D

[majesstik1]

He's playing for the Cards right now and has 2 fumbles so far. :hoppy:

Didn't he recover them both?

[DavisNiner]

Cards up 7-6.

[offtackle24]

3/4 for 23 yards- ya he is doing well

[BrentJones84]

So wait.......both teams in this game are playing QBs who weren't even on their respective teams a week ago???

:wacko:

[Teke]

Typical Rattay. Anyone remember when he fumbled on the potential game winning drive against the Dolphins? What a crucial error!

[sandiegojoe]

So wait.......both teams in this game are playing QBs who weren't even on their respective teams a week ago???

:wacko:


lol :D yeah. So really, anything could happen in his game.

[ninerlicious]

So wait.......both teams in this game are playing QBs who weren't even on their respective teams a week ago???

:wacko:

sweet. i'm not watching the game, but their stat lines look suprisingly good considering.

[BrentJones84]

What happened to Warner anyway?

[Teke]

Seems like the Cardinals' only game against a team that hasn't been decimated by injuries was when they lost to the 49ers in week one.

[the ryan]

Eh you can't really dog either of them, they've only had a week to learn their respective offenses.

[sandiegojoe]

Rattay connects deep to fitzgerald

[Mace Windu]

Man I wonder what happens if Rat gets hurt? Anyone know the status of Warner?

[djdino]

When will Rattay throw the ball to the defender? :D

[blacksheep58969]

When will Rattay throw the ball to the defender? :D

at the exact moment you think the cardinals will win

[blacksheep58969]

and carolina takes the lead.... gooooo panthers

[sandiegojoe]

and carolina takes the lead.... gooooo panthers

there's timmy's 4th qtr pick

[Mace Windu]

When will Rattay throw the ball to the defender? :D

There you go. That's the Rattay we came to hate.

[BrentJones84]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8034034f&template=without-video&confirm=true

GLENDALE, Ariz. -- Arizona starting quarterback Kurt Warner sprained his left elbow in the first quarter against Carolina ......

Tim Rattay, signed last week as Arizona's only backup, replaced Warner

Wow...if Rat goes down, they don't have a QB.

I wonder who they wil sign this week to back up Rattay if Warner can't playnext week.

[sandiegojoe]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8034034f&template=without-video&confirm=true



Wow...if Rat goes down, they don't have a QB.

I wonder who they wil sign this week to back up Rattay if Warner can't playnext week.

tim hassleback sounds like the first guy

[BrentJones84]

tim hassleback sounds like the first guy

I was just thinking "I bet Aaron Brooks is watching his phone right now, waiting for it to ring." :laugh:

[blacksheep58969]

i bet rattay will get a td here, but **** up the 2pt conversion some how

[djdino]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8034034f&template=without-video&confirm=true



Wow...if Rat goes down, they don't have a QB.

I wonder who they wil sign this week to back up Rattay if Warner can't playnext week.

Dorsey available?

[Mace Windu]

Dorsey available?

No he is back with Cleveland.

[DeadlyNiners]

Rattay's pass ends up being intercepted. It was just bad luck to me.

[blacksheep58969]

Rattay's pass ends up being intercepted. It was just bad luck to me.

bad luck seems to follow rattay around

[offtackle24]

cardinals lose, rams lose, seahawks- probably not!

[Teke]

<<<<Glad Rattay is screwing it up for other teams now.

[BrentJones84]

Right now Jeff George and Aaron Brooks are working out, waiting for the phone to ring........ :hoppy:

[McDude]

Right now Jeff George and Aaron Brooks are working out, waiting for the phone to ring........ :hoppy:

and waiting....and waiting.....and waiting.....and waiting......and waiting......and waiting........and waiting........and waiting.....and waiting......and waiting.......and waiting.... and waiting......:phone:

[Argo49erFan]

Warner got injured, both their star QBs are now out, their season is officially over. It's just our 9ers and the Seahawks now boys! Discuss. :dance3:

[101South]

Warner got injured, both their star QBs are now out, their season is officially over. It's just our 9ers and the Seahawks now boys! Discuss. :dance3:

How long is Warner out? Do we know yet?

[BrentJones84]

How long is Warner out? Do we know yet?

Nothing official has been said about how long he will be out.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8034034f&template=without-video&confirm=true

Given the injury is to his left arm, I would guess it will NOT be a season ending injury.

[McDude]

Nothing official has been said about how long he will be out.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8034034f&template=without-video&confirm=true

Given the injury is to his left arm, I would guess it will NOT be a season ending injury.

Wow, the Card's are screwed no matter what they do.

[Eire9er]

I hate Warner. And I hate Rattay. And God! I Hate The Cardinals! HAH!

[Peter Proud]

Warner got injured, both their star QBs are now out, their season is officially over. It's just our 9ers and the Seahawks now boys! Discuss. :dance3:

How long is Warner out? Do we know yet?

Nothing official has been said about how long he will be out.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8034034f&template=without-video&confirm=true

Given the injury is to his left arm, I would guess it will NOT be a season ending injury.

Wow, the Card's are screwed no matter what they do.

Next week they are at the REDSKINS....after that a bye week. They aren't that bad off.

[9ersAllTheWay08]

fantasy football down the drain. :zzz:

my thoughts exactly

[offtackle24]

Next week they are at the REDSKINS....after that a bye week. They aren't that bad off.

reskins give pressure though..... warner better not come back next week.

[Venom]

<<<<Glad Rattay is screwing it up for other teams now.

Rattay, today, first week with team: 12-24 159, 0 TD 3 INT

Dilfer, first start after 1+ year w/ team : 12-33, 128, 0 TD 2 INT


As bad as Rattay can be at times, we would still be in better shape right now had we kept him instead of signing Dilfer.

[BrentJones84]

Just wait...as soon as he has one good game, there will be a billion "Alex Smith vs Tim Rattay" threads.

As oppossed to the billion "Alex Smith vs Tim Rattay" threads we have in 2005? :hoppy:

[Venom]

He'll have a good game?


Even the bottom rung of one-time starting NFL QBs have a good game every month or so.:dance3:

[Venom]

unless they have Hostler calling plays for them.

I think Hostler would even have handicapped Dan Marino.

[BigB_85]

Rattay, today, first week with team: 12-24 159, 0 TD 3 INT

Dilfer, first start after 1+ year w/ team : 12-33, 128, 0 TD 2 INT


As bad as Rattay can be at times, we would still be in better shape right now had we kept him instead of signing Dilfer.

Actually it was a good thing that we got rid of Rattay. If you remember right, we received a 6th rounder for him from Tampa Bay; I believe we used the pick on Marcus Hudson, who is a more valuable player than Rattay.

Plus, Dilfer is better to have on the team than Rattay. We didn't get Dilfer for his playing capabilities...we got him to mentor Alex Smith, something that Rattay couldn't provide to the team. Is Rattay better? Probably, but I'd rather have a slightly worse 2nd string QB if it meant that he was helping our franchise QB be a better player.

Lastly, to be fair to Dilfer, Hostler is our OC. Last time I checked, no one is doing well with him calling the plays (except for the opposing defense).

[Venom]

Actually it was a good thing that we got rid of Rattay. If you remember right, we received a 6th rounder for him from Tampa Bay; I believe we used the pick on Marcus Hudson, who is a more valuable player than Rattay.

Plus, Dilfer is better to have on the team than Rattay. We didn't get Dilfer for his playing capabilities...we got him to mentor Alex Smith, something that Rattay couldn't provide to the team. Is Rattay better? Probably, but I'd rather have a slightly worse 2nd string QB if it meant that he was helping our franchise QB be a better player.

Lastly, to be fair to Dilfer, Hostler is our OC. Last time I checked, no one is doing well with him calling the plays (except for the opposing defense).


Therein lies the problem. Backup QB is far too valuable to be reduced to "mentoring". Nolan should have hired a new QB coach or something along those lines instead of sacrificing such an important position. I knew from day 1 that signing Dilfer was going to be costly and it has been so. I had no problem getting rid of Dorsey and Pickett but we should have kept Rattay or gone after a better backup than Dilfer.

[BigB_85]

Therein lies the problem. Backup QB is far too valuable to be reduced to "mentoring". Nolan should have hired a new QB coach or something along those lines instead of sacrificing such an important position. I knew from day 1 that signing Dilfer was going to be costly and it has been so. I had no problem getting rid of Dorsey and Pickett but we should have kept Rattay or gone after a better backup than Dilfer.

But there's a difference between a player and a coach when it comes to mentoring. And besides, at the time we signed Dilfer he was considered a solid back-up QB. And honestly, what "good" back-up QB's are there? The only 2nd string QBs that you hear about or whom people consider good are the ones who light it up when the starter goes down, that create a QB controversy and are therefore inevitable starters a la Tony Romo, Matt Schaub, David Garrard, etc.

[Venom]

But there's a difference between a player and a coach when it comes to mentoring. And besides, at the time we signed Dilfer he was considered a solid back-up QB. And honestly, what "good" back-up QB's are there? The only 2nd string QBs that you hear about or whom people consider good are the ones who light it up in preseason or when the starter goes down, that create a QB controversy and end up becoming starters in a matter of time a la Tony Romo, Matt Schaub, David Garrard, etc.


We could have gotten numerous backups that would have been better than Dilfer. Signing him was Nolan's biggest misstep since taking the helm of the team. Dilfer's last mediocre season was in 1998. He's meandered between subpar and pathetic since then. I find it unfathomable that 9 years later, Nolan was ready to put the fate of the team in Dilfer's hands should Smith go down. I'd much rather have a QB controversy than a backup who plays like he's under water.

[BigB_85]

We could have gotten numerous backups that would have been better than Dilfer. Signing him was Nolan's biggest misstep since taking the helm of the team. Dilfer's last mediocre season was in 1998. He's meandered between subpar and pathetic since then. I find it unfathomable that 9 years later, Nolan was ready to put the fate of the team in Dilfer's hands should Smith go down. I'd much rather have a QB controversy than a backup who plays like he's under water.

Well, it's not like those guys stirring up the controversies were on the market for cheap...if they were going anywhere, it was to be a starter. So they weren't realistic options for us.

Plus, statistically Dilfer wasn't that bad on a terrible Cleveland team. I think his rating was somewhere in the 70s....sounds like your typical back-up to me. I really just think your overrating how bad Dilfer is honestly. Point to his stats all you want this season, but then again check out everybody elses' on our offense this season and they got nothing either. Basically it's not fair to judge Dilfer, or any other player for that matter really under an OC like Hostler. He makes everybody look a lot worse than they actually are.

And maybe there were better players than him, but there sure as heck weren't any available than would have been a vast improvment. Either you take a slightly worse QB that can mentor your QB, or a slightly better back-up that Alex doesn't benefit from at all. Either way, the quarterbacks aren't going to be any good so might as well take the mentoring one.

[Venom]

Well, it's not like those guys stirring up the controversies were on the market for cheap...if they were going anywhere, it was to be a starter. So they weren't realistic options for us.

Plus, statistically Dilfer wasn't that bad on a terrible Cleveland team. I think his rating was somewhere in the 70s....sounds like your typical back-up to me. I really just think your overrating how bad Dilfer is honestly. Point to his stats all you want this season, but then again check out everybody elses' on our offense this season and they got nothing either. Basically it's not fair to judge Dilfer, or any other player for that matter really under an OC like Hostler. He makes everybody look a lot worse than they actually are.

It's not just this season. Dungy ran him out of TB because he was so bad and he's been diminishing in ability ever since then. Some of his passes last week looked like he had never taken an NFL snap and when he tries to scramble away from pressure, it's like watching a newborn calf try to stand for the first time.

[BigB_85]

It's not just this season. Dungy ran him out of TB because he was so bad and he's been diminishing in ability ever since then. Some of his passes last week looked like he had never taken an NFL snap and when he tries to scramble away from pressure, it's like watching a newborn calf try to stand for the first time.

:laugh: I agree to an extent. His passes are pretty weak and that is frustrating. Definitely not someone you want starting. But once again, I honestly don't think there are THAT many back-ups better than him. It's probably extremely frustrating for other fans watching their teams back-up when the starter is out, too. Heck, look at Ferrotte today, and I remember the Seahawk fans going crazy about Wallace last year (am I the only one who thinks he has to be a full-time WR? He always makes a play when he lines up on the outside). So yeah, my point is that it's not just us. I think other fans are frustrated with their back-ups too. We aren't alone. :laugh:

[Venom]

:laugh: I agree to an extent. His passes are pretty weak and that is frustrating. Definitely not someone you want starting. But once again, I honestly don't think there are THAT many back-ups better than him. It's probably extremely frustrating for other fans watching their teams back-up when the starter is out, too. Heck, look at Ferrotte today, and I remember the Seahawk fans going crazy about Wallace last year (am I the only one who thinks he has to be a full-time WR? He always makes a play when he lines up on the outside). So yeah, my point is that it's not just us. I think other fans are frustrated with their back-ups too. We aren't alone. :laugh:

I can't watch him without thinking about the infamous headbutt. While I'm always going to think that Dilfer is one of the worst pro QBs I have ever seen, I guess I can say something positive about him: at least he's never come close to rendering himself unconscious on national TV.:go9ers:

[BigB_85]

I can't watch him without thinking about the infamous headbutt. While I'm always going to think that Dilfer is one of the worst pro QBs I have ever seen, I guess I can say something positive about him: at least he's never come close to rendering himself unconscious on national TV.:go9ers:

:laugh: Did I miss something? Fill me in.........:biggrin:

[sf49ergirl85]

I really just think your overrating how bad Dilfer is honestly.

As of now, Trent Dilfer couldn't score even if he had a free hooker on his birthday.

[BigB_85]

As of now, Trent Dilfer couldn't score even if he had a free hooker on his birthday.

:misfitz:

[sf49ergirl85]

:misfitz:

Thank you. I'll be here all week.

[Venom]

:laugh: Did I miss something? Fill me in.........:biggrin:

Frerotte headbutted a wall after scoring a TD in 1996. He wobbled away semi-conscious, having injured his neck.

As of now, Trent Dilfer couldn't score even if he had a free hooker on his birthday.

LMBO!!!

[BigB_85]

Frerotte headbutted a wall after scoring a TD in 1996. He wobbled away semi-conscious, having injured his neck.

What's worse, that or getting injured after celebrating a field goal? LOL

[Venom]

If I remember correctly he actually left the game with a concussion or something.

I was watching the game and the camera showed a close up of him with glassy, distant eyes after the impact. He was clearly punch drunk.

[$Ciggy Cent$]

As of now, Trent Dilfer couldn't score even if he had a free hooker on his birthday.

My birthday is coming up.Are you gonna be busy?

[sf49ergirl85]

My birthday is coming up.Are you gonna be busy?

Isn't your birthday in June?

[BladeX]

Oh no?! The 70yr old QB broke like glass, wow... who knew such things would happen. So who helps them "win now" :laugh: :zzz:

[fabie]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8034034f&template=without-video&confirm=true



Wow...if Rat goes down, they don't have a QB.

I wonder who they wil sign this week to back up Rattay if Warner can't playnext week.Steve DeBerg! Vinny is still playing!

[Guardian]

It was pretty bad game for Tim, but could he play better in the future?

I would say slightly, but won't expect some great improvements from him.

[$Ciggy Cent$]

Isn't your birthday in June?

Yes, but it's still coming up.

[sandiegojoe]

It was pretty bad game for Tim, but could he play better in the future?

I would say slightly, but won't expect some great improvements from him.

I think so, he actually had a few decent deep throws. One of which his WR bobbled into the air and basically handed to a defender.

Is Boldin back soon? I thikn Rattay would actually do decent if so.

He looked good in tampa last year, I think if he has some time to work with the WRs he may have a decent game. (of course, I'd rather they just keep losing though)

[flohtingPoint]

What's worse, that or getting injured after celebrating a field goal? LOL

Both, but hurting your throwing hand by punching one of your own teammates during training camp ranks higher in the halls of stupid imho.

[DallasNiner]

I think so, he actually had a few decent deep throws. One of which his WR bobbled into the air and basically handed to a defender.

Is Boldin back soon? I thikn Rattay would actually do decent if so.

He looked good in tampa last year, I think if he has some time to work with the WRs he may have a decent game. (of course, I'd rather they just keep losing though)

Yes if given time to learn the system with those WR's and the line being decent this year he could be a decent starter with AZ. Nothing great mind you because he's mistake prone, but decent.

[offtackle24]

Oh no?! The 70yr old QB broke like glass, wow... who knew such things would happen. So who helps them "win now" :laugh: :zzz:

who else but timmy :falldownlaugh:

[McDude]

who else but timmy :falldownlaugh:

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u162/charismaraven13/timmy.jpg

[BigB_85]

Both, but hurting your throwing hand by punching one of your own teammates during training camp ranks higher in the halls of stupid imho.
Vince Young? I remember that incident but I don't recall him breaking his hand.

[sf49ergirl85]

Yes, but it's still coming up.

I'll put it on my calendar.

[Fez]

Oh no?! The 70yr old QB broke like glass, wow... who knew such things would happen. So who helps them "win now" :laugh: :zzz:

:stirthepot:

[sandiegojoe]

kffl.com
Cardinals | Team signs T. Hasselbeck
Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:46:41 -0700

The Sports Network reports the Arizona Cardinals signed free-agent QB Tim Hasselbeck (Giants) Tuesday, Oct. 16. Terms of the deal were not disclosed.


looks like Timmy's competition is pretty weak. Warners arm still hurts.

Timmy oughta get one more week at least.

[Rocketknight73]

Typical Rattay. Anyone remember when he fumbled on the potential game winning drive against the Dolphins? What a crucial error!That's why I can't stand him. Unforced errors like crazy.

[BrentJones84]

kffl.com
Cardinals | Team signs T. Hasselbeck
Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:46:41 -0700

The Sports Network reports the Arizona Cardinals signed free-agent QB Tim Hasselbeck (Giants) Tuesday, Oct. 16. Terms of the deal were not disclosed.


looks like Timmy's competition is pretty weak. Warners arm still hurts.

Timmy oughta get one more week at least.

What would be twisted if Hasslebeck plays Hasselbeck next time the Cards and Hawks meet.