Ken Dorsey signs 3-year contract extension with Browns

[Optimus Moo]

Browns sign QB Ken Dorsey to 3-year contract extension (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-browns-dorsey&prov=ap&type=lgns)

BEREA, Ohio (AP) -- Quarterback Ken Dorsey, who has served as a mentor for Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn this season, signed a three-year contract extension with the Cleveland Browns on Wednesday.

Dorsey would have become a free agent after this season.

"We are glad to get this done with Ken," Browns general manager Phil Savage said. "Ken has been a vital part of our offensive production this year and we look forward to having him as part of our team going forward."

The Browns acquired Dorsey in a 2006 trade with San Francisco. He was waived by the club at the end of training camp, but was re-signed by Cleveland on Sept. 11, the same day starter Charlie Frye was traded to Seattle.

Dorsey's knowledge of first-year offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski's system has been vital in Anderson's development. Dorsey and Chudzinski were previously together at the University of Miami. He has been the Browns' third-string quarterback in each of the past two seasons. Dorsey has thrown for 1,712 yards and eight touchdowns in 10 career starts, all with San Francisco.

BladeX will appear in this thread in 3... 2... 1...

:laugh:

[SBbound49ers]

Blade was right, Smith isnt much better than Dorsey.

[Pound th' Rock]

And Dorsey > Dilfer.

[BrentJones84]

"Ken has been a vital part of our offensive production this year ..... He has been the Browns' third-string quarterback in each of the past two seasons. Dorsey has thrown for 1,712 yards and eight touchdowns in 10 career starts, all with San Francisco.

I'm not sure how a he's a vital part of offensive production is he's never thrown a pass for the Browns. :laugh:

It would have been just as easy to call him a QB coach.

[BladeX]

:laugh: Priceless.....

"Ken Dorsey will be out of the NFL after this season" (2005)

^^ Who am I???

[The Jerm!]

:laugh: Priceless.....

:( Sorry to hear your reunion plans with the 49ers for Ken are now dead. :laugh:

[BladeX]

:( Sorry to hear your reunion plans with the 49ers for Ken are now dead. :laugh:

Nah, Im good thanks. :ok:

[The Jerm!]

:laugh: Priceless.....

"Ken Dorsey will be out of the NFL after this season" (2005)

^^ Who am I???

Me :D

[fabie]

:laugh: Priceless.....

"Ken Dorsey will be out of the NFL after this season" (2005)

^^ Who am I???it is a mistake that the 49ers let him go, really and I believe that....on one hand, he will not flourish the kind of inept offense that NOLAN and HOSTLER currently have....

[Pound th' Rock]

I'm happy for Ken. I wish him a long and successful career, even if it is as a backup. He was the last guy off the practice field during training camps with the 49ers and was really friendly when I said hi. He was even nice enough to take a picture.

Sure he doesn't have the strongest arm or the most, if any athleticism, but I firmly believe he knows the game of football and would have been an asset on this team in some way.

(Prior to being "Pound th' Rock" I was "Dorsey to Woods" !!!)

[Hobbes2d]

Dorsey = the next Jason Garrett.

[Montana_Magic]

Dorsey = the next Jason Garrett.

exactly what i am thinking. Looking at the Browns situation, they have two young QB's ahead of Dorsey, so they dont need a developmental QB. What they need is someone who can teach the quarterback position, and that is what Dorsey can do. He is basically a QB coach who is on the team for that reason alone, not for his QB skill. He provides vet leadership and from what i have heard, he has a good relationship with both the young qbs ahead of him.

[BladeX]

exactly what i am thinking. Looking at the Browns situation, they have two young QB's ahead of Dorsey, so they dont need a developmental QB. What they need is someone who can teach the quarterback position, and that is what Dorsey can do. He is basically a QB coach who is on the team for that reason alone, not for his QB skill. He provides vet leadership and from what i have heard, he has a good relationship with both the young qbs ahead of him.

Why cant be be a good mentor AND on the team for his QB skill? If that was true why pay for a QB coach in the first place then?

Fact is Dorsey understands the game of football, he knows how to play the position. He has always lacked physical strength but always made up for it with solid QB play (protecting the ball, making proper reads, Pocket presence, etc..) which (IMO) are the most important aspects to play QB in the NFL.

It was reported several times by many sources that he and Derek Anderson were battling it out in traning camp. It took the Browns the 11th hour to choose Anderson over Dorsey. Turns out Anderson is arguably a pro bowl QB, and high draft pick Charlie Frye was expendable because of him, so what's that say for Dorsey? That he doest have "Qb skill"? Dont think so.

[BladeX]

Dorsey = the next Jason Garrett.

Many people in Miami are clammoring for him to join the coaching staff at Tha U. The NFL doesnt want to let him go yet it seems.

[Denver9erfan]

Why cant be be a good mentor AND on the team for his QB skill? If that was true why pay for a QB coach in the first place then?

Fact is Dorsey understands the game of football, he knows how to play the position. He has always lacked physical strength but always made up for it with solid QB play (protecting the ball, making proper reads, Pocket presence, etc..) which (IMO) are the most important aspects to play QB in the NFL.

It was reported several times by many sources that he and Derek Anderson were battling it out in traning camp. It took the Browns the 11th hour to choose Anderson over Dorsey. Turns out Anderson is arguably a pro bowl QB, and Frye was expendable because of him, so what's that say for Dorsey? That he doest have "Qb skill"? Dont think so.

What? Anderson was battling it out with Frye for the starting job... what are you talking about? Dorsey was cut because they couldn't decide who to trade, Frye or Anderson. Quinn then made a public plea for the Browns to sign dorsey after they traded Frye because he wanted him as a QB mentor... because he is a very smart guy who understands the game, but is by no means an NFL caliber player. The ONLY reason dorsey is there is to help mentor quinn and provide valuable clip board holding.

Those who can... do, those who can't... teach.

[krowleey]

Why cant be be a good mentor AND on the team for his QB skill? If that was true why pay for a QB coach in the first place then?

Fact is Dorsey understands the game of football, he knows how to play the position. He has always lacked physical strength but always made up for it with solid QB play (protecting the ball, making proper reads, Pocket presence, etc..) which (IMO) are the most important aspects to play QB in the NFL.

It was reported several times by many sources that he and Derek Anderson were battling it out in traning camp. It took the Browns the 11th hour to choose Anderson over Dorsey. Turns out Anderson is arguably a pro bowl QB, and high draft pick Charlie Frye was expendable because of him, so what's that say for Dorsey? That he doest have "Qb skill"? Dont think so.



lmao :homer:

[BladeX]

What? Anderson was battling it out with Frye for the starting job... what are you talking about? Dorsey was cut because they couldn't decide who to trade, Frye or Anderson. Quinn then made a public plea for the Browns to sign dorsey after they traded Frye because he wanted him as a QB mentor... because he is a very smart guy who understands the game, but is by no means an NFL caliber player. The ONLY reason dorsey is there is to help mentor quinn and provide valuable clip board holding.

Those who can... do, those who can't... teach.

First off the Browns openly stated they were having open competition for the starting spot. It was then reported Frye was beating Anderson. Also reported Dorsey & Anderson was competing for the #2 spot and ultimatey Dorsey was cut.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1188722591114250.xml&coll=2
In what probably was the most hotly debated issue in paring their final roster to 53 players, the Browns chose to keep Derek Anderson as a backup quarterback over Ken Dorsey.
With the intro of Quinn nobody really had any clue who was going or staying.

THAT was the Browns musical-chairs QB situation. It seems it was Frye, then Anderson then Dorsey but there was no one written in stone, merely speculation by fans & journalists as to thier position & roles.

As for not being able to play, well given what little chances he has had the stats show he's been at least as successful a Alex Smith and some people think he can still play. This not to mention the simple facts 1) you dont have a backup Qb on your roster who 'cant play in the NFL' and 2) You dont trade a Qb you think can play for someone who cant just to be a "QB coach" when you already have a QB coach. :wink:

Its like saying the only reason Dilfer is here is to be a mentor not to play. Which is completely iditoic, your paying him to be able to do both. Any claim to the contrary is typical fan idiocy.

[BladeX]

lmao :homer:

Only problem with that is when I have historically demonstrated my dislike for certain Miami players being drafted by various teams for various reasons. (not suited for position, not very good, drafted too high, etc..) I was debating here AGAINST a Miami player that we could potentially pick up via free agency just a couple weeks ago.
http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showthread.php?t=40954&highlight=Miami
So much for your theory. :fortune:

[KingOfTheHill]

i couldnt stop laughing when i read "vital" and "production" being used to describe ken dorsey

[sandiegojoe]

Why cant be be a good mentor AND on the team for his QB skill? .

it just seems weird to hear him called "a mentor" given his career length and record.He's not old enough to be one based on experience, and he was never good enough to be one based on skill. It'd be like PJ Fleck being a WR mentor.

[BladeX]

it just seems weird to hear him called "a mentor" given his career length and record.He's not old enough to be one based on experience, and he was never good enough to be one based on skill. It'd be like PJ Fleck being a WR mentor.

It boils down to him being valuable to the Browns as a young backup QB who knows the system inside out and has starting experience at the NFL level.

Whatevre the case and opinions this much we know, Ken Dorsey is going to have a longer than average NFL career and meanwhile other "more gifted" QB's many with more chances are at home watching it on Tv.

[sandiegojoe]

It boils down to him being valuable to the Browns as a young backup QB who knows the system inside out and has starting experience at the NFL level.

Whatevre the case and opinions this much we know, Ken Dorsey is going to have a longer than average NFL career and meanwhile other "more gifted" QB's many with more chances are at home watching it on Tv.


hey ya never know, maybe he'll pull a Shaun Hill, and everything will click for him in a few years.

[BladeX]

hey ya never know, maybe he'll pull a Shaun Hill, and everything will click for him in a few years.

Maybe, that will take some considerable luck, most likley injury, for him to supplant both Anderson & Quinn. You never know but either way he's an NFL QB and people dont pay "nice guys" who have only 10 starts to just "mentor" for thier team. He has to be able to play ball. Its comical watching these guys now try to justify his NFL existance by relegating him to a "mentor who cant play" :laugh: I've seen so many excuses for why Dorsey shouldnt be in the NFL that it seems only fitting they are now relegated to "Ok he should be here, but only as a coach!!"

[Denver9erfan]

First off the Browns openly stated they were having open competition for the starting spot. It was then reported Frye was beating Anderson. Also reported Dorsey & Anderson was competing for the #2 spot and ultimatey Dorsey was cut.

Ok... well I thought you were saying Dorsey was competing for the starting job.

With the intro of Quinn nobody really had any clue who was going or staying.

THAT was the Browns musical-chairs QB situation. It seems it was Frye, then Anderson then Dorsey but there was no one written in stone, merely speculation by fans & journalists as to thier position & roles.

Clearly it was Frye, Anderson then Dorsey... not only did Dorsey never challenge for the starting job, he was the one cut... so it's pretty clear what the pecking order was. They were never going to cut anderson, they were trying to trade him... they released dorsey because they know what everyone else does, that Dorsey has no value and they could easily resign him off the street. This isn't reporter speculation, this is straight from Savages mouth:

Savage said the team has explored trades involving Frye orAnderson throughout most of the offseason.

"From the moment we drafted Brady Quinn and (since), I have stayed in contact with a number of teams who have expressed interest in either Charlie or Derek," Savage said. "I have kept them abreast to the situation, feeling at some point we'd move one of those two players."


As for not being able to play, well given what little chances he has had the stats show he's been at least as successful a Alex Smith and some people think he can still play.

lol... what as successful as alex was as a rookie? Dorsey had ONE game where he wasn't downright godawful, one game and it was his 3rd year in the NFL at that point, AFTER playing for a full 4 years in college. Dorsey has never put a team on his shoulders and led them to a game winning drive the way Smith has several times now. He has never shown that he can make even half of the necessary throws needed to play at an NFL level. The only good game he had he lost. There isn't a team in this league other than the browns that even wanted him on their roster as a 3rd string qb... and the browns only wanted him after they traded frye and quinn made a public plea to bring dorsey back.

This not to mention the simple facts 1) you dont have a backup Qb on your roster who 'cant play in the NFL' and

So... chris weinke, are you feeling confident that he can go get a W sunday? What about dilfer? At this point in his career, not 6 years ago?

2) You dont trade a Qb you think can play for someone who cant just to be a "QB coach" when you already have a QB coach. :wink:

You do when you think you just drafted your franchise QB, and the guy you're trading will never cut it as a starter and a team is actually offering some value. They didn't trade frye for dorsey, they traded frye for a 6th round pick... and signed dorsey back to be a BACKUP, not start, to mentor quinn who was crying for him like a little boy cries for his lost puppy. You see dorsey starting? Cause I don't.

Its like saying the only reason Dilfer is here is to be a mentor not to play. Which is completely iditoic, your paying him to be able to do both. Any claim to the contrary is typical fan idiocy.

It's not the only reason, but it is the main reason. Nolan said as much when he was signed. Nolan also thought that he could sub in as a backup effectively as he did in seattle, but clearly his skills have eroded. Dorsey has never shown he can be effective other than ONE game that he lost.

[DallasNiner]

Ken Dorsey SHOULD HAVE BEEN out of the League after 2005.:hoppy:

[Lodi49erFan]

Brady Quinn is on the trading block i am predicting.. :fortune:

[Denver9erfan]

Ken Dorsey SHOULD HAVE BEEN out of the League after 2005.:hoppy:

Ken Dorsey will be a good coach someday... and just like many good coaches, he will have a very marginal NFL career never doing anything noteworthy.

[nflguru]

Ken Dorsey was definitely better than Alex Smith - HELLO?????

Check back after next year and we'll check his stats.

Niners traded all good QBs away, and then of course kept Hill on the bench all year while losing. Wasted the season away.

[DallasNiner]

Ken Dorsey was definitely better than Alex Smith - HELLO?????

Check back after next year and we'll check his stats.

Niners traded all good QBs away, and then of course kept Hill on the bench all year while losing. Wasted the season away.

Who isn't?

[nflguru]

Correct Dallas-Niner ;)

[Simaosabrosa]

He'll be in the league longer than Alex smith :falldownlaugh:

[ThiZZ]

dorsey >>>>>> smith


THE U ALL DAY!

[BladeX]

Ok... well I thought you were saying Dorsey was competing for the starting job.
I didnt, you made an incorrect assumption. By all accounts Frye won the #1 spot, Dorsey & Anderson were battling for backup spots. I provided an exact quote to highlight the point that such was being reported.

Clearly it was Frye, Anderson then Dorsey... not only did Dorsey never challenge for the starting job, he was the one cut... so it's pretty clear what the pecking order was. They were never going to cut anderson, they were trying to trade him... they released dorsey because they know what everyone else does, that Dorsey has no value and they could easily resign him off the street. This isn't reporter speculation, this is straight from Savages mouth:
Never going to cut Anderson? Dorsey has no Value? Can I have those quotes please.... cuz this is what I remember Savage saying...
"If we were going to make a move I felt like now was the time to do it," Savage said. "Ken Dorsey hadn't signed with anyone else and it seemed like if we could get Ken back and if we could have the possibility of moving Charlie, we should do it.
All it really says is that they felt moving Frye while bringing back Dorsey was the right move. Perhaps they couldnt get a trade for Anderson, perhaps they couldnt get what they wanted for him, perhaps they thought Dorsey might sign somewhere else shortly, perhaps a lot of things that cant really be known...... what is known is whats right there.

Also, I never said he was challenging for the starting spot, again your own comprehension issue.

lol... what as successful as alex was as a rookie? Dorsey had ONE game where he wasn't downright godawful, one game and it was his 3rd year in the NFL at that point, AFTER playing for a full 4 years in college. Dorsey has never put a team on his shoulders and led them to a game winning drive the way Smith has several times now. He has never shown that he can make even half of the necessary throws needed to play at an NFL level. The only good game he had he lost. There isn't a team in this league other than the browns that even wanted him on their roster as a 3rd string qb... and the browns only wanted him after they traded frye and quinn made a public plea to bring dorsey back.
Typical Alexcuses 101. Here's what I know, career #'s are almost identical. If you consider the opportunity Dorsey had compared to Smith its clear who did more with less. :wink:



So... chris weinke, are you feeling confident that he can go get a W sunday? What about dilfer? At this point in his career, not 6 years ago?
Neither are here simply to be a mentor. You disproved your own claim. Why would Weinke be here if they didnt think he could play? Alex is so pathetic he needs not 1 but 2 mentors now?!? :rolleyes2:

You do when you think you just drafted your franchise QB, and the guy you're trading will never cut it as a starter and a team is actually offering some value. They didn't trade frye for dorsey, they traded frye for a 6th round pick... and signed dorsey back to be a BACKUP, not start, to mentor quinn who was crying for him like a little boy cries for his lost puppy. You see dorsey starting? Cause I don't.
Again with the Dorsey starting nonsense. Its called a strawman argument. Bottom line is they felt comfortable enough to trade away Frye for a camp fodder draft pick because they had too many young Qb's and he was expendable as they could get Dorsey back (who had not signed with Seattle) at the time. Now they've inked him to a 3yr deal, I think it states they value him enough as a player.


It's not the only reason, but it is the main reason. Nolan said as much when he was signed. Nolan also thought that he could sub in as a backup effectively as he did in seattle, but clearly his skills have eroded. Dorsey has never shown he can be effective other than ONE game that he lost.
I love the idiotic argument you have going here. I claim he's here for both reasons and you then state half heartedly that in fact he was brought here for both reasons. (but u think he sucks) :laugh: Nice.

As for Dorsey being effective, again the #'s speak for themselves yay or nay, its all opinion. Only thing I find funny is that Alex has shown nothing more than Dorsey had in 1/10 the opportunities yet your opnion seems to be that he 'has' shown something. :laugh: Typical.

[BladeX]

He'll be in the league longer than Alex smith :falldownlaugh:

Quite possible, and ironic.

[offtackle24]

Dorsey>>>>>> lame smith

[BladeX]

Ken Dorsey SHOULD HAVE BEEN out of the League after 2005.:hoppy:

Appearantly the experts disagree. :shades:

[BladeX]

Who isn't?

Charlie Frye? :laugh:

[fabie]

Quite possible, and ironic.most people here are on that bandwagon that DORSEY sucks...but never really seeing beyond that.

Joe Montana would never be able to realize that he is one of the very best if not provided with Bill Walsh and all the talents with him. Had DORSEY arrived here with the intact WCO coaches and system (and personnel), I have no doubt in my mind that he can be in the same lineage of Steve Young and Jeff Garcia.

Sure he doesn't have their mobility and atheleticism but he is very smart and most importantly, his winning ways within him.

[BladeX]

most people here are on that bandwagon that DORSEY sucks...but never really seeing beyond that.

Joe Montana would never be able to realize that he is one of the very best if not provided with Bill Walsh and all the talents with him. Had DORSEY arrived here with the intact WCO coaches and system (and personnel), I have no doubt in my mind that he can be in the same lineage of Steve Young and Jeff Garcia.

Sure he doesn't have their mobility and atheleticism but he is very smart and most importantly, his winning ways within him.

Ironically the same things I said about Dorsey from Day1 were the same things Montana later said about him. Joe must have been a "U" homer. :laugh:

(Waits for the 'Blade said he's the next Montana" comment :laugh:)

[fabie]

Ironically the same things I said about Dorsey from Day1 were the same things Montana later said about him. Joe must have been a "U" homer. :laugh:

(Waits for the 'Blade said he's the next Montana" comment :laugh:)I am on the same U BOAT with you! (not the German type :laugh:)

[Denver9erfan]

I didnt, you made an incorrect assumption. By all accounts Frye won the #1 spot, Dorsey & Anderson were battling for backup spots. I provided an exact quote to highlight the point that such was being reported.

Which is why I said I misunderstood what you were saying. As far as the backup, that was a quote from a beat reporter not crennel, not savage. It's pure speculation since it was clear frye that won the job, and obviously quinn isn't gettin cut... but that doesn't mean there was any real competition there. Would you like me to post some RIDICULOUS crap that some of the stuff 9ers beat reporters have said that was pure speculation? You don't cut someone when teams are talking to you about trading for him. I just provided a quote from savage, not a beat reporter, that said they were talking with people all offseason about anderson & frye... dorsey was only around to mentor quinn and fill out the roster if one of them was traded, he was never going to beat one of them out.

Never going to cut Anderson? Dorsey has no Value? Can I have those quotes please....

It's called common sense. Were teams inquiring to trade for anderson? Yes, obviously they're offering something in that trade... you don't cut a player if you think you can move him. Again, it's called common sense and we can see from what the Browns did (cut the placefiller dorsey until they traded one of them) that common sense very much applies here.

Dorsey absolutely has no value... did he or did he not get cut and sit his *** on his couch until the browns felt like signing him again? If any team would have given up anything for dorsey, they would have claimed him the minute he was cut. Let's not forget that every team in this league passed over him COUNTLESS TIMES before we picked him up in the 7th. Since that time he has shown nothing. He had one good game, and besides that showed he absolutely can't make even half the throws an NFL QB is asked to make. He makes pennington look like john elway.

Typical Alexcuses 101. Here's what I know, career #'s are almost identical. If you consider the opportunity Dorsey had compared to Smith its clear who did more with less. :wink:

Did dorsey start his rookie year? Sure didn't. Smith did. If you need me to explain to you why it's harder for a rookie, especially a rookie coming from a gimmcky lower tier school like Utah, to play in the NFL than a 2nd year player, then you are truly and ignorant fan... personally I don't think that's the case, I think you're just so attached to dorseys nuts that your making ridiculous arguments to support your unabashed love for anything out of miami.

Take a look at Smiths 2nd year in the league compared to Dorseys, which is also the year both played the most:

Smith:
257 442 2890 16 16 (+2 running TDs) 74.8 QB rating

Dorsey
123 226 1231 6 9 (no rushing TDs) 62.4 QB Rating

Dorsey, at any point in his career was never able to put together anything as consistent as smith was as a 2nd year QB, and smith wasn't even close to "consistent" which really says all we need to know about dorsey. Dorsey never beat a playoff team, Smith has and he knocked off a much better team that was heading into the playoffs with a win, he really only ever beat a bad arizona team because Hicks went off. He started that game against TB but it was Pickett who led us to that victory, not Dorsey.

So his numbers are the same? Dorseys win/loss %? 1/9 = 11% Smiths? 11/19 = 58%... yeah, exactly the same aren't they.

Neither are here simply to be a mentor. You disproved your own claim. Why would Weinke be here if they didnt think he could play? Alex is so pathetic he needs not 1 but 2 mentors now?!? :rolleyes2:

Nice try... but what you said was:

1) you dont have a backup Qb on your roster who 'cant play in the NFL'

You didn't say anything about a mentor and neither did I here... and you're accusing me of straw man arguments? lol

You said you don't have a backup QB on your roster who can't play in the NFL, yet I just showed you weinke, who clearly can't play in the NFL... not in any effective way. Sure he can go out there and throw the ball... but does that mean anybody thinks he can lead this team to a victory? Sure doesn't. So Dorsey can go out there and throw 7 yard outs that look more a grounder than an NFL pass and lose misreably... what an accomplishment. Let me be a little more clear... when I say he can't play in the NFL, I mean he can't play at a level that gives his team a consistent chance at winning a game. Plenty of NFL failure QBs can get lucky and stumble into some victories, heck Ryan Leaf won his first two games, but that's all Dorsey is... and NFL failure at the player level but a smart guy who really understands the game which is the main reason why he is still in the NFL, it's not for his playing ability.

Again with the Dorsey starting nonsense. Its called a strawman argument. Bottom line is they felt comfortable enough to trade away Frye for a camp fodder draft pick because they had too many young Qb's and he was expendable as they could get Dorsey back (who had not signed with Seattle) at the time. Now they've inked him to a 3yr deal, I think it states they value him enough as a player.

There's no strawman argument here but your own, apparently you can't understand what you said, so let me quote you:

2) You dont trade a Qb you think can play for someone who cant just to be a "QB coach" when you already have a QB coach.

The browns did not trade Frye for Dorsey, that is what you said. They traded frye for a 6th round pick. Dorsey was not brought on to replace frye... if he was there to replace frye, he would have been starting. He was signed to fill out the roster and because quinn was crying for him like a little baby.

I love the idiotic argument you have going here. I claim he's here for both reasons and you then state half heartedly that in fact he was brought here for both reasons. (but u think he sucks) :laugh: Nice.

I said the MAIN reason Dilfer was brought here... I never said Nolan didn't think that he could step in and play if he had to... I think you're confusing yourself. You said you don't have a QB on your roster unless he can play in the NFL... would you like me to quote you again? You didn't say unless you THINK he can play, you said play in the NFL. I then asked you if you think Weinke & Dilfer can still play and be competitive in the NFL.

Dorsey would not be in the NFL if the Browns weren't trying to keep Quinn happy. He is a 3rd string qb who never has a chance of seeing the field in Cleveland unless they get hit with injuries and yet he still signed a 3 year deal? Why? Because he knows he has absolutely 0 value and is lucky to be on an NFL team still. He will never be a starting qb and he has never shown half of what Smith has.

Go ahead and continue being delusional, anyone with a little common sense and doesn't suffer from a ridiculous Miami bias can see that dorsey holds just about 0 value as a player and is only in the league because his microscopic playing ability is coupled with an impressive understanding of the game.

[papa burgundy]

I think Dorsey and Alex Smith both suck ***..

..VIVA LA SHAUN HILL!!!

??

[Denver9erfan]

I think Dorsey and Alex Smith both suck ***..

..VIVA LA SHAUN HILL!!!

??

Maybe so... but if we cut smith tommorow people would be lined up to sign him. If dorsey gets cut he'd spend weeks and months most likely on his couch waiting for some team to get hit with injuries like we have, then MAYBE getting a shot at a backup job for a few weeks before the real NFL players come back from their injuries.

[SBbound49ers]

Maybe so... but if we cut smith tommorow people would be lined up to sign him. If dorsey gets cut he'd spend weeks and months most likely on his couch waiting for some team to get hit with injuries like we have, then MAYBE getting a shot at a backup job for a few weeks before the real NFL players come back from their injuries.

Smith would land a job, but it would no doubt be as a backup ala Joey Harrington and David Carr.

[Denver9erfan]

Smith would land a job, but it would no doubt be as a backup ala Joey Harrington and David Carr.

Probably, but it would most likely be on a team like the dolphins who are in search of a starter and want a true wide open competition.

But the bottom line is there would be a ton of interest in him, and as we saw there was just about none in dorsey. It must just be all of the personel departments in the league are wrong and bladex is right. That makes perfect sense.

[BladeX]

Which is why I said I misunderstood what you were saying. As far as the backup, that was a quote from a beat reporter not crennel, not savage. It's pure speculation since it was clear frye that won the job, and obviously quinn isn't gettin cut... but that doesn't mean there was any real competition there. Would you like me to post some RIDICULOUS crap that some of the stuff 9ers beat reporters have said that was pure speculation? You don't cut someone when teams are talking to you about trading for him. I just provided a quote from savage, not a beat reporter, that said they were talking with people all offseason about anderson & frye... dorsey was only around to mentor quinn and fill out the roster if one of them was traded, he was never going to beat one of them out.

I said that was what had been reported, nothing said about quotes from Crennel and Savage. To that end you havent provided anything to dispute what I actually said. Seems you just like to hear yourself talk. Ironic your commenting on pure speculation yet are making tons of it yourself.

It's called common sense. Were teams inquiring to trade for anderson? Yes, obviously they're offering something in that trade... you don't cut a player if you think you can move him. Again, it's called common sense and we can see from what the Browns did (cut the placefiller dorsey until they traded one of them) that common sense very much applies here.
Well thats not actually true, a team can call and offer a 7th pick next year but perhaps to you its more valuable to keep him a while longer and see if he wins a roster spot or not. 6th & 7th rounders are camp fodder picks and to assume teams simply jump on them everytime isnt accurate. Common sense huh? Seems someone with very little football IQ coupled with making general assumptions on things he has no way of knowing.


Dorsey absolutely has no value... did he or did he not get cut and sit his *** on his couch until the browns felt like signing him again? If any team would have given up anything for dorsey, they would have claimed him the minute he was cut. Let's not forget that every team in this league passed over him COUNTLESS TIMES before we picked him up in the 7th. Since that time he has shown nothing. He had one good game, and besides that showed he absolutely can't make even half the throws an NFL QB is asked to make. He makes pennington look like john elway.

Appearantly he has value to the Browns, they traded for him and just resigned him to a multi-year deal. And he was visiting Holmgren in Seattle not really sitting on his butt.

As for the "teams passed on him countless times" thats the logic of a true goofball. :laugh: Yeh, cuz we know thats the standard by which players succeed or fail. Im sure Terrell Davis, Tom Brady even Derek Anderson might disagree. Then again, Alex wasnt passed on so he's obviously gonna be a baller. LOL



Did dorsey start his rookie year? Sure didn't. Smith did. If you need me to explain to you why it's harder for a rookie, especially a rookie coming from a gimmcky lower tier school like Utah, to play in the NFL than a 2nd year player, then you are truly and ignorant fan... personally I don't think that's the case, I think you're just so attached to dorseys nuts that your making ridiculous arguments to support your unabashed love for anything out of miami.

Take a look at Smiths 2nd year in the league compared to Dorseys, which is also the year both played the most:

Smith:
257 442 2890 16 16 (+2 running TDs) 74.8 QB rating

Dorsey
123 226 1231 6 9 (no rushing TDs) 62.4 QB Rating

Dorsey, at any point in his career was never able to put together anything as consistent as smith was as a 2nd year QB, and smith wasn't even close to "consistent" which really says all we need to know about dorsey. Dorsey never beat a playoff team, Smith has and he knocked off a much better team that was heading into the playoffs with a win, he really only ever beat a bad arizona team because Hicks went off. He started that game against TB but it was Pickett who led us to that victory, not Dorsey.

LMAO.... I love the cherry picking here! Cant count Alex's first year starting in the NFL but will ignore a season of starting experience advantage for him while equating that to Dorsey's 2nd year having never started beforea and professing that as equally comparable.....

I hereby nominate you for the President of the Alexcuses fanboyclub.



Nice try... but what you said was:



You didn't say anything about a mentor and neither did I here... and you're accusing me of straw man arguments? lol

You said you don't have a backup QB on your roster who can't play in the NFL, yet I just showed you weinke, who clearly can't play in the NFL... not in any effective way. Sure he can go out there and throw the ball... but does that mean anybody thinks he can lead this team to a victory? Sure doesn't. So Dorsey can go out there and throw 7 yard outs that look more a grounder than an NFL pass and lose misreably... what an accomplishment. Let me be a little more clear... when I say he can't play in the NFL, I mean he can't play at a level that gives his team a consistent chance at winning a game. Plenty of NFL failure QBs can get lucky and stumble into some victories, heck Ryan Leaf won his first two games, but that's all Dorsey is... and NFL failure at the player level but a smart guy who really understands the game which is the main reason why he is still in the NFL, it's not for his playing ability.

I assumed you had an IQ in double digits. my bad. :smile: The previously discussed reasons were either "Mentor" or "Can play in the NFL" and if I said "you dont have a backup Qb on your roster who 'cant play in the NFL" I assumed you would use brainpower to understand that only leaves mentor.

There's no strawman argument here but your own, apparently you can't understand what you said, so let me quote you:



The browns did not trade Frye for Dorsey, that is what you said. They traded frye for a 6th round pick. Dorsey was not brought on to replace frye... if he was there to replace frye, he would have been starting. He was signed to fill out the roster and because quinn was crying for him like a little baby.

Again, I assumed your IQ was a bit higher. Obviously they didnt trade Frye for Dorsey genius, he was a 49'er and I think I've been here long enough to know we traded Dorsey for Dilfer. I was simply saying logic suggests you dont trade away an NFL quality player and replace them with someone who isnt. I assuemd we both knew and have been around long enough to know how Dorsey was traded. I assumed wrong, next time I'll try to make such obvious 49'er related news crystal clear so you dont get confused.


I said the MAIN reason Dilfer was brought here... I never said Nolan didn't think that he could step in and play if he had to... I think you're confusing yourself. You said you don't have a QB on your roster unless he can play in the NFL... would you like me to quote you again? You didn't say unless you THINK he can play, you said play in the NFL. I then asked you if you think Weinke & Dilfer can still play and be competitive in the NFL.
What are u 5yrs old? How do you know he CANT play? Im simply deferring to the opinions of the experts. If they bring him in and pay him a salary I assume he can play until he proves otherwise. By your own silly grade school logic did you know that Derek Anderson could play before this season? Obviously not, to that point he'd shown almost nothing.


Dorsey would not be in the NFL if the Browns weren't trying to keep Quinn happy. He is a 3rd string qb who never has a chance of seeing the field in Cleveland unless they get hit with injuries and yet he still signed a 3 year deal? Why? Because he knows he has absolutely 0 value and is lucky to be on an NFL team still. He will never be a starting qb and he has never shown half of what Smith has.

Again with the idiotic logic. Your claiming its more likley Savage, crennell and the rest are paying him a multi-year contract knowing he cant play in the NFL and only to "Keep brady happy" :laugh: You seems as smart as a bag of rocks. You dont even know if Brady Quinn is going to be Cleveland Brown after this season!!! Much less having the organization bowing to his wishes as you claim.

Not shown half of what Smith has? LMAO.... Alexcuses 101. Non cherry picked Career #'s almost identical.
http://www.nfl.com/players/alexsmith/profile?id=SMI031126
http://www.nfl.com/players/kendorsey/profile?id=DOR648887

Go ahead and continue being delusional, anyone with a little common sense and doesn't suffer from a ridiculous Miami bias can see that dorsey holds just about 0 value as a player and is only in the league because his microscopic playing ability is coupled with an impressive understanding of the game.
Typical weak excuses, its the "Miami Bias" :laugh: Nevermind Ive criticized many players from Miami (as recently as 2-3 weeks ago here) and defended other non-miami players (Matt Leinart, Kwame Harris, etc..) against similar unpopular opinions ala Dorsey. Nevertheless its just easier for someone as "smart" as you to just write it off as homerism.

[BladeX]

Maybe so... but if we cut smith tommorow people would be lined up to sign him. If dorsey gets cut he'd spend weeks and months most likely on his couch waiting for some team to get hit with injuries like we have, then MAYBE getting a shot at a backup job for a few weeks before the real NFL players come back from their injuries.

:laugh: ^^ this guy. Well the reality is Dorsey doesnt have to worry about that.

[BladeX]

Probably, but it would most likely be on a team like the dolphins who are in search of a starter and want a true wide open competition.

But the bottom line is there would be a ton of interest in him, and as we saw there was just about none in dorsey. It must just be all of the personel departments in the league are wrong and bladex is right. That makes perfect sense.

Appearantly Cleveland and San Fran at least thinks/thought so. :smile: That much we know.

All you have to go on is what you "think" other people might or might not do. Very convincing. LOL..

[Montana_Magic]

let's just agree on this. He has just enough talent to be a 3rd string(inactive) QB and his mentoring is a valuable reason why he is on the browns right now.

[BladeX]

let's just agree on this. He has just enough talent to be a 3rd string(inactive) QB and his mentoring is a valuable reason why he is on the browns right now.

The first remains to be seen, I will agree with the highlighted part.

[Jumiah]

Good for Ken. 3 years is a great contract for a journeyman QB who'll most likely never start. I'm sure his clipboard holding ability played a part as well as being a decent emergency backup. That's like having a QB coach and player mixed into 1 dude.

I never thought he was THAT bad with us. Didn't we choose to keep Cody Picket instead of Dorsey? What a shame.

[Denver9erfan]

lol... you know, you're not even worth the time to continue showing you exactly why you're just an unabashed miami jocking reality ignoring ignorant fan. I've already done that before, hell I've already done that in this thread, it's just not worth the time.

Twist reality all you want, but Ken Dorsey is an awful NFL level QB and the reason he even has a job is because Clevelands golden boy quinn cried like a child and pleaded the browns to resign him. Dorsey has some talent, but it's microscopic in comparison with even an average #2 QB... hell he can't even beat out a ROOKIE who held out of TC for the #2 position on his own team, the only team that would sign him.

[BladeX]

lol... you know, you're not even worth the time to continue showing you exactly why you're just an unabashed miami jocking reality ignoring ignorant fan. I've already done that before, hell I've already done that in this thread, it's just not worth the time.

Twist reality all you want, but Ken Dorsey is an awful NFL level QB and the reason he even has a job is because Clevelands golden boy quinn cried like a child and pleaded the browns to resign him. Dorsey has some talent, but it's microscopic in comparison with even an average #2 QB... hell he can't even beat out a ROOKIE who held out of TC for the #2 position on his own team, the only team that would sign him.

Quinn cried like a child and so they signed him. :laugh: That kind of ignorance really does sum up your whole position nicely. Kudos.

[Simaosabrosa]

Quinn cried like a child and so they signed him. :laugh: That kind of ignorance really does sum up your whole position nicely. Kudos.

Blade dont even bother. :yawn:

[Giedi]

Hey Blade,

Looks like Dorsey *can* play in the NFL, as you said all along. :D

Too bad neither Nolan or Erickson were Walsh, who could've turned 3rd round picks and CFL draftees into pro bolwers. <sigh!>

Giedi

[NortyFiner]

Glad to see Ken is still around. We could sure use him right now...think the Browns could lend him to us for a game? :wink:

[BladeX]

Hey Blade,

Looks like Dorsey *can* play in the NFL, as you said all along. :D

Too bad neither Nolan or Erickson were Walsh, who could've turned 3rd round picks and CFL draftees into pro bolwers. <sigh!>

Giedi

Thank you sir, so it seems. :shades:

[fabie]

Hey Blade,

Looks like Dorsey *can* play in the NFL, as you said all along. :D

Too bad neither Nolan or Erickson were Walsh, who could've turned 3rd round picks and CFL draftees into pro bolwers. <sigh!>

Giediperhaps some of the last remnants of WCO can.....

[Venom]

And Dorsey > Dilfer.

No doubt. Another awful move on Nolan's part. He should have kept either Rattay or Dorsey as the backup instead of getting Dilfer.

[Optimus Moo]

No doubt. Another awful move on Nolan's part. He should have kept either Rattay or Dorsey as the backup instead of getting Dilfer.

Dorsey > a steaming pile of cow dung > Rattay

[BrentJones84]

No doubt. Another awful move on Nolan's part. He should have kept either Rattay or Dorsey as the backup instead of getting Dilfer.

There has to be some irony in there somewhere, in that Nolan traded Dorsey to get Dilfer to be a mentor, and yet Dorsey is considered the mentor in Cleveland.

[Montana_Magic]

There has to be some irony in there somewhere, in that Nolan traded Dorsey to get Dilfer to be a mentor, and yet Dorsey is considered the mentor in Cleveland.

This year atleast, Dorsey knows the offense from his days at the U, so that is why he is so important.

[94949'er]

the very definition of loser is debating about ken freakin dorsey

[5ringsonmyhand]

the very definition of loser is debating about ken freakin dorsey

:falldownlaugh:

QFT.

[Hobbes2d]

Many people in Miami are clammoring for him to join the coaching staff at Tha U. The NFL doesnt want to let him go yet it seems.

Well smart QB's who know how to play the position but lack the physical skills always make great backups and usually make good future coaches. IE Major Applewhite or Josh Heupel.