Cedric Benson carted off with shoulder injury

[Nikko]

Hopefully it is not serious. (http://www.chicagobears.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=16412)

[Tracker]

Wow, that sucks.

With any luck it will be a stinger or a deep contusion and he will come back soon. If there is a silver lining here for the Bears, their 3rd string guy will get some more play time and will have an opportunity to improve.

[Nikko]

Wow, that sucks.

With any luck it will be a stinger or a deep contusion and he will come back soon. If there is a silver lining here for the Bears, their 3rd string guy will get some more play time and will have an opportunity to improve.

Their #3 RB (Adrian Peterson) is better then a lot of starters so that's no problem. I have a feeling it's not going to hold Benson out too long. Maybe 3-4 weeks.

[Tracker]

Their #3 RB (Adrian Peterson) is better then a lot of starters so that's no problem. I have a feeling it's not going to hold Benson out too long. Maybe 3-4 weeks.


Yeah I know. I did not articulate my point very well. Point was that every player craves play time and every player looks to improve, which can only be really done on the field. One mans misfortune is another opportunity.

Averaging 5.1 yards a carry and scoring 2 TD’s last year I am sure he will be looking to make his mark with this chance.

There… good bad or indifferent, I guess that is what I was trying to say. ;)

[birdman7389]

I never want anyone hurt....but Thomas is on 1 of my fantasy teams :)

[Tracker]

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[majesstik1]

Unfortunately, this is something I see being a recurring problem for Benson. He was run until the wheels fell off in college, and now he's taking hits from real bruisers...I'm not sold on him ever carrying a pro team.

[funky-monk]

i don't wish anything Ill on Cedric or any one in the league suffice it to say....however i think lovie is getting some ill karma for the way things have gone with Briggs and T.Jones...
I dont know if you have Sirius or not, but today they were at Vikings camp and was talking about the NFC north. When they started talking about the Bears, they mentioned that there were some reliable sources at bears camp who said there could be a conspiracy theory working within the team, as Thomas Jones has many "old dawg" friends on the defense (including Urlacher and Briggs) who are doing what they can to get Jones the carries he deserves. This would be why Benson is getting treated like a rag doll at their camp.

I found this very interesting, cause if they are in fact "head hunting" their own players, this could be a team in dire straight this year....

[Nikko]

I dont know if you have Sirius or not, but today they were at Vikings camp and was talking about the NFC north. When they started talking about the Bears, they mentioned that there were some reliable sources at bears camp who said there could be a conspiracy theory working within the team, as Thomas Jones has many "old dawg" friends on the defense (including Urlacher and Briggs) who are doing what they can to get Jones the carries he deserves. This would be why Benson is getting treated like a rag doll at their camp.

I found this very interesting, cause if they are in fact "head hunting" their own players, this could be a team in dire straight this year....

I don't know if that is true or not, but Jones needs to suck it up and go his own route or accept the fact he isn't going to be the #1 guy anymore. If it is true, that is really sad on Urlacher and other members of the defenses part.

[funky-monk]

I don't know if that is true or not, but Jones needs to suck it up and go his own route or accept the fact he isn't going to be the #1 guy anymore. If it is true, that is really sad on Urlacher and other members of the defenses part.
yeah, commentators (i believe was Paul Allen and Jeff Dubay) were saying how disgusted they were to even hear such a rumor, and that if this is true, the Bears can go ahead and call it a season.

[funky-monk]

i don't buy it, and reason being is that Briggs is one of the guys that's in the same outhouse that Jones is in so Briggs would be head hunting and doing it for himself not for Jones.

I'd also say that if Urlacher and Jones are headhunting it'd be because T.Jones had 1300 yards last year and can catch out of the back field and has shown that he can play not because he's set up the conspiracy theory...

Lovie is a veteran coach so he would be able to tell if players are going pass the whistle, heading hunting, or playing dirty in practice and if so lets just say i hope for their sake they can still play with that intensity come season or they'll really look lke a collection of jackasses...
I didnt make this up or anything, I'm just telling you about the rumor thats floating around on the airwaves today. Whether you buy it or not, doesnt really matter. I bet that this type of thing happens much more than you or I would like to think, and wouldnt put this pass any player in the NFL.

[funky-monk]

i didn't say you made it up.

i'm saying i don't buy the rumour...

as for things like this happening much mor than you and i would like to think...i know a bit about what goes on in the environment and i know not all of it is clean. I just don't buy that the coaching staff in Chicago is oblivious to this to the point that it would be able to go on...
well, they have a bit of the Falcons luck, where for one reason or another they cant put 2 back to back playoff years together. Maybe this year the reason can be "oblivious Coaching"??

[Guitarzan-54]

I dont know if you have Sirius or not, but today they were at Vikings camp and was talking about the NFC north. When they started talking about the Bears, they mentioned that there were some reliable sources at bears camp who said there could be a conspiracy theory working within the team, as Thomas Jones has many "old dawg" friends on the defense (including Urlacher and Briggs) who are doing what they can to get Jones the carries he deserves. This would be why Benson is getting treated like a rag doll at their camp.

I found this very interesting, cause if they are in fact "head hunting" their own players, this could be a team in dire straight this year....

Hey Guys! ....GREETINGS FROM CHICAGO!....:towel:

I can't wait for FRIDAY NIGHT!!!!....:yahoo:

I just wanted to extend our greetings from your Football Bretheren at www.dabears.com .
We're looking forward to a GREAT game....even if it's "just" pre-season!

As for the above post....I wouldn't give that too much concern.
I just got done, approximately a month ago, going on the RUBAN BROWN MOTORCYCLE RUN, for the Salvation Army.
It was AWESOME!!!!.....600 bikes! Police Escort all the way!!!

And, besides Ruban Brown, we also had Charles Tilman, Mike Brown, Thomas Jones, and Cedric Benson, DAVE DUERSON (85 BEARS), ROLAND HARPER (85 BEARS), JIM KELLEY (Buffallo Bills)....and alot of the BILLS themselves.
Brian Urlacher was also there. He's an awesome guy, actually. And he and C. Benson got along great with each other...as did they all.
There was a real BrotherHood there.
I find that story to be just Media Hype. There's nothing to it.
Now, I know there was some bad blood between Lovie and the Boys, following that debacle against the Panthers in the play-offs.
But, they are all looking forward now.
They may have forgivin' him...(I Haven't!...LOL!!!)

Trust me, there's nothing devious going on between Benson and Urlacher.

Although, I totally agree that T. Jones should "be da man!". I hope he is.

Brian Urlacher is actually a lot "shy'er" off the field than I expected, being such a freakin' warrior "on" it.
The "others" were partying like crazy, we all had a great time. But, Urlacher actually left early for another charity.

I just don't see any annamosity being any part of the guys' personality.

GOOD LUCK FRIDAY NIGHT!....and NO injuries to anyone!....:chicken:



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[Nikko]

ridiculous to out Jones in your post after he's earned the spot in the past, has shown he can play, and will earn the spot if Love truely made it an open competition in TC.

Sadly, i think the karma is hitting because Lovie isn't making it a true open competition and is hoping/pushing for his RB pick from last year to get the starting spot and should have pushed for that T.Jones trade....

Honestly though, I've never heard of Thomas Jones being a high character guy and I've heard he's a bit selfish and jealous of Benson.. If you are going to draft a guy at #4, who you saw some good things out of as a rookie, with a great attitude.. your not going to favour him even in the slightest bit?

Last I heard it's an open competition where Thomas Jones could easily be the starter and see as much if not more play time as Benson.. They just want to see Benson atleast get 50/50 at this point. However, Jones holding out of Minicamps didn't help his case. If you want to be the number one guy, you have to be there.

[Nikko]

IF i have a guy who rushed for a solid 1300 yards and a guy who has yet to prove anything then i'm going to favor the guy who has shown results.

It's called wanting to keep my job and wanting to have back to back winning seasons. If while getting playing time Benson does something to take away carries from Jones then that's great but you go with the proven NFL back. Unless your shanahan then you just don't care you go with the undrafted FA today then next season you go with the guy that's been out of football for 5 years :fishing: lol

as far as T.Jones character post a link on what he's done that's questionable instead of being a character assassin...

I just said that's what I heard, I didn't read any articles, just what I've seen on the Bear and Eagle boards.. it's just more his attitude about how he goes with things is what they were saying.

I understand what your saying with the proven back thing.. but Benson is on a fat contract, was the #4 pick in the 05 draft, and had some flashes as a rookie. Apparently for the practices he's been in he has looked great, and they really like his attitude. You don't pay #2 RB's that way.. also, like I said.. if Jones wants to be the number one guy, then show up at the minicamps. He HAD the number one job. He LOST the number one job when he didn't show up.

[Nikko]

(Just FYI, I think the reason people were talking about his attitude being poor was because of his holdout of minicamps and then him making a comment or something about it when he found out he lost the starting job.)

[Nikko]

so then we basically have hearsay to bring down a player when you have nothing to disprove the fact that he's been a good player and shown that he was able to come in and work for what he's got in the nfl


we'll chalk this up with the hearsay you had on Cromartie and Freeney's playing weight...

:eyeroll:

Yeah, I mean someone who holds out of minicamp because he wants a big contract when Benson is obviously the future, then apparently didn't take it too well when he found out he lost the starting job just screams good character right?

Your right, I have nothing to disprove the fact that he's a good player and shown that he was able to come in and work for what he's got in the NFL. He only succeeded with the Bears in his entire NFL career, and they are paying Benson I believe among the lines of 5-6? mil.. that's reasonable for a number two back right? Lol.

Do you ignore that he had the job, he knew the consequences if he didn't show up to camps, and apparently he just ignored them?

[Nikko]

http://www.kffl.com/popuphotw.php?id=305852

nikko there's one word in the article i want you to read

just one word

it's VOLUNTARY

it's funny how that word works.

Jones missed voluntary workouts so did Briggs
neither player held out of TC tho...

If I remember though, it wasn't just workouts, it was minicamp.. and Lovie Smith, as everyone knows, doesn't accept people skipping little things like that, the guy who is there, is going to win over Smith.

I never said he held out of TC. I never said he missed anything manditory. I said he missed minicamps, and whether manditory or not, EVERYONE knows Smith's thinking.. and when your in a battle that close, you think you should be there. However, since you know everything, you've seen everything in the Bears camps, games, and just KNOW Jones is obviously better then Benson right? :fishing:

[Nikko]

so go ahead claim to know something and fail to provide proof.
much like the leonard davis conversation that took place just yesterday..

What proof was there to provide with Leonard Davis? Seriously? Did you read the entire thing? I said I exaggerated a bit but he really didn't have that spectacular of a season in the games I watched (Vs the NFCE, the Mexico game, and little tidbits of others) I said he would have probably been a better player with a better supporting cast.

I made opinions off games I watched. Do I know how he played against the Rams or teams I didn't see? Not really other then what I read. Do I claim I've seen those games? Nope.

Where are your stats/proof that he's a "good" which means to me, better then average, after that season? The 3 YPC that the runningbacks had? The 14 penalties he had?

[Nikko]

why go off your memory.

read the link...

I just looked, and apparently he didn't miss any minicamp, just the entire offseason program which wasn't manditory. However, like I said, if you know anything about how Lovie Smith coaches.. Even if it's not manditory, just being there for the voluntary stuff wins him over. In a battle where the #4 pick of the 05 draft.. a player which it appears Smith likes very much, who now knows the offense and is there for EVERYTHING, if you're in Jones shoes.. are you just going to skip it? He knew the potential consequences, and he knew coming into the offseason Benson was in a dead tie with him.

[Nikko]

yes i read the entire argument.
i read you spouting off that he wasn't that good, then i read the article showing that he was a pro bowl alternate. i read you dismiss that as him being voted in as a fan favorite (lol obviously showing that you don't know that coaches have a say in pro bowl alternates too). I saw you say you watched only 5 cards game. then when asked a 2nd time that number was then 5-6 with some parts added here and there.

Basically when continously questioned your story (cause that's what it is) grew bigger and bigger. It makes me laugh that you know question if someone else read it who even chimed in during that part to point out certain tidbits during that lil episode. maybe you didnt' read it while you were actively participating in it...LOL as i said before you suffer from the shortest short term memory of any one i've ever come accross...

I didn't say he was a fan favorite though. I said the probowl for a lot of players cases is a popularity contest. Yes I know the coaches have a say in the probowl alternates. 5-6, I was throwing in the 6 because I remember watching a half of the first Seattle game, and little tidbits of games (When other games were at halftime/commericals)

My story? I said he didn't impress me. Julian Peterson was a probowl alternate, do you think he had a good season? What I saw of Leonard Davis, he didn't impress me in run blocking, and he did an okay job in pass protection. Exactly what I said. Since you seem to know everything, do you have any opinions based on watching him play other then the fact he was a probowl alternate? I didn't watch his entire season, I watched about a third of the Cardinals games.

[Nikko]

we've been through all this BS when the isms first happened. everyone on this board know that camp is forced volunteerisms regardless of who the coach is. So your feeble attempt of acting like you know how lovie coaches and others don't is....well it's humurous.

you have anything else to add?

See Tiz. You need to stop making stuff up. Did I say others don't know how Lovie coaches? No. I said you don't because you obviously ignore the fact that this isn't the first time he's benched starters becasue they missed voluntary stuff. They earn their jobs back, this is the only time I recall a matchup being so close with the Bears though with Smith coaching.