Jim Mora Jr. removes himself from Redskins coach hunt

[Blue Bird]

Hmmm... Wonder if he knows something about Mike Holmgren's decision. :wink:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3203254

[majesstik1]

Nah, he just doesn't want to work with Brandon Lloyd again.

[BrentJones84]

Hmmm... Wonder if he knows something about Mike Holmgren's decision. :wink:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3203254

If not this year, next. :pirate2:

[yayareawarrior]

Nah, he just doesn't want to work with Brandon Lloyd again.

:falldownlaugh:

[Blue Bird]

Nah, he just doesn't want to work with Brandon Lloyd again.

:laugh:

Now THAT is funny.

[fabie]

Nah, he just doesn't want to work with Brandon Lloyd again.:laugh:

I would love to see Jim Mora with his famed, "Playoffs?" then cue in Brandon Lloyd ducking a pass....:banana4:

[Blue Bird]

:laugh:

I would love to see Jim Mora with his famed, "Playoffs?" then cue in Brandon Lloyd ducking a pass....:banana4:

Fabie, that was Jim Mora Sr. We're talking about Jim Mora Jr.

[fabie]

Fabie, that was Jim Mora Sr. We're talking about Jim Mora Jr.
:hide::fishing:

[$Ciggy Cent$]

:hide::fishing:

NOOB!:hangloose:

[jackacid]

Wow, I am surprised....with the exception of Gibbs, Snyder has usually excelled at bringing in the wrong coach, which I would qualify Mora Jr. as being. He's not good HC material, IMO (regardless of his getting Atlanta to the NFC Conf. Championship game his rookie season.)

[Blue Bird]

Wow, I am surprised....with the exception of Gibbs, Snyder has usually excelled at bringing in the wrong coach, which I would qualify Mora Jr. as being. He's not good HC material, IMO (regardless of his getting Atlanta to the NFC Conf. Championship game his rookie season.)
If you feel that way then you'll really be stoked when he takes over as the HC of the Seahawks next year. :shades:

[The Jerm!]

If you feel that way then you'll really be stoked when he takes over as the HC of the Seahawks next year. :shades:

You'd vouch for that? :hide:

[49errunner]

i think that he is just waiting to see if willingham gets fired after next season at UW. thats where Mora has stated he wants to be and willingham is on the hot seat this year.

[Blue Bird]

You'd vouch for that? :hide:

It wouldn't bother me. In the day and age where people are taking fliers left and right on unproven commodities, he's as good a risk as any.

[Blue Bird]

i think that he is just waiting to see if willingham gets fired after next season at UW. thats where Mora has stated he wants to be and willingham is on the hot seat this year.

I think Mora's point was that he wanted to get back to the Seattle area. He said UW because that was the job he was asked about. As much interest as he has shown in trying to get another NFL head coaching job, I'd bet he'd rather have the bigger job than the smaller one since they're both in the market he wants to be in.

[Blue Bird]

Man, the Redskins must be ticked. Looks like they're two for two in failing to lure away our coaches. They interviewed Jim Zorn (our QBs coach who also directs the QB workouts at the Combine) for their offensive coordinator position. The Washington Post is reporting that he's likely not going to take the job.

The team was trying to assemble a staff around Fassel, guys they knew he could work well with, and hoped to make that hiring shortly, but several of the men they hoped to hire were blocked - including an attempt to lure San Diego QB coach John Ramsdell to interview for an offensive coordinator or QB coach job here, league sources said (Jason Reid will have more on that later; Ramsdell agreed to new 3-year deal with the Chargers today) - and others like Rex Ryan and Jim Zorn look like they are staying with their current teams. Fan reaction to Fassel has been intense, and the team has taken pause in the process.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/01/coaching_info_skins_rebuffed_i.html

Saying fan reaction to Fassel has been intense is the understatement of a lifetime. Man, go check out the Redskins board. They're talking about jumping off of the Washington Monmument over there if Fassel gets hired. I wonder what Redskins86 thinks about this coaching search. He's usually pretty insightful.

[RedskinsFan86]

Man, the Redskins must be ticked. Looks like they're two for two in failing to lure away our coaches. They interviewed Jim Zorn (our QBs coach who also directs the QB workouts at the Combine) for their offensive coordinator position. The Washington Post is reporting that he's likely not going to take the job.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/01/coaching_info_skins_rebuffed_i.html

Saying fan reaction to Fassel has been intense is the understatement of a lifetime. Man, go check out the Redskins board. They're talking about jumping off of the Washington Monmument over there if Fassel gets hired. I wonder what Redskins86 thinks about this coaching search. He's usually pretty insightful. Ehhh to be honest I'm taking care of some stuff in my personal life right now that override a coaching search that's completely out of my hands pretty much, so I haven't been following it all that closely yet...

Personally, I'd take a chance at making Gregg Williams HC and leave Al Saunders as OC, and leave it at that since that's what the players want supposedly and we really need some continuity around the franchise, that's always been the biggest problem since Gibbs left the first time. On the other hand, maybe a shake up is in order considering the Skins have the pieces to be a good team in a lot of spots, but they somehow always managed to fall apart at crucial moments in important games. Gibbs did a great job of clearing out the roster and returning the franchise to some sort of respect, and had one of the finest coaching performances of his life this past year with Taylor's death, but as a whole it's not like we were some kind of serious Super Bowl threat. I don't want to give up on Saunders since his system is PROVEN to work, it just takes some time to make it really gel and we had some key injuries on the offensive line this year (the most important part of Saunders' system) that really set it back for awhile. Williams' defense has always been great for us but I haven't been the biggest fan of how he loves building his defense from the back to the front- we have a great secondary and good linebackers, but our front 4 is built completely around stopping the run, the only starter who is an actual pass rush threat is Andre Carter. I'd prefer to have a front 4 that can really crush a pocket and get after the QB, not just focus on filling gaps.

I really don't know, I think the media isn't helping by overblowing candidate situations (like this Jim Mora or Fassel stuff, since both seem so far like casual scope outs rather than serious contenders) just because it's like "omg Dan Snyder and the Redskins where's Danny gonna spend his money now!!!" There's a new rumor everyday about this guy or that guy, and now apparently we're waiting until after the Super Bowl to interview some of the Giants/Patriots staff.

I will say though- I don't want Zorn, since I'm not a fan of the West Coast offense really, I never wanted Mora, and I don't want this Meeks guy from Indy as the D-coordinator since we're not at all built to run the Cover-2. If I could pick one dream guy to put on the staff it'd be Rex Ryan, I love his defensive style and we're built pretty similiar to the Ravens (we even have the better of the Landry brothers!), and he'd do a good job building our defensive line up. Outside of him I don't know, I think I'd prefer to keep the search to young, hungry coordinators though looking to get a crack at it rather than rehash anyone. We'll just have to be patient and see how it all goes I guess.

[Blue Bird]

Good post. Hopefully whatever's going on in your personal life mellows itself out. It's always best when you can just worry about stuff like what's going on with your football team. If the football stuff is the worst problem we have in life, it usually means that things are going well.

Seriously, hope things get better.

[Blue Bird]

I still cant believe Zorn has never been an OC :nonono:

Agreed. But it sounds like the Seahawks are promising him the OC job after this coming season (when Holmgren retires). Zorn is the sole reason I became a Seahawks fan. Making him OC is the right thing to do and well overdue.

[Blue Bird]

I agree. He's done wonders with Matt Hasslebeck and he even made wallace look like an NFL QB something I thought was a really tough task of doing.

Yeah, I like what Wallace is doing passing the ball but if I ever meet him, I intend to slap him as hard as I can and tell him "PROTECT... THE... BALL". There's absolutely no reason to be palming the way he does once you've run past the line of scrimmage. Tuck it. It's a simple rule really.

I haven't looked at the stat but if I did, I'd bet he's got more fumbles than he does interceptions. Geeeeez. But I digress...

[RedskinsFan86]

Good post. Hopefully whatever's going on in your personal life mellows itself out. It's always best when you can just worry about stuff like what's going on with your football team. If the football stuff is the worst problem we have in life, it usually means that things are going well.

Seriously, hope things get better. Yeah thanks, but it's no big worry, just stupid 21 year old stuff (girlfriend dumped me out of nowhere via text message and won't talk to me about it, busy with fraternity stuff, getting screwed on a couple serious school payments, the job I was supposed to get this semester ended up closing on the opportunity, etc., the past few weeks have been a prime example of when it rains it pours)....thank God nothing that's actually worth serious prayer or thought, nothing more important than health, family, and friends, everything else can wait, especially the annual circus of the Redskins offseason...

I suppose reading further into Zorn he wouldn't be so bad, but like I said, I'm not a fan of the West Coast Offense really...

Apparently the hot names right now are Steve Spagnuolo and Josh McDaniels. McDaniels will NOT leave the Patriots, that's just stupid, he's still very young and he's got the keys to the most powerful car in town with Brady/Moss/Maroney/Welker/etc. Spagnuolo would be real solid, he's done really great work in New York this year and is arguably the biggest reason they're going to the Super Bowl, but I don't think he has the credentials yet for a HC gig, and he's not going to move laterally to the Skins to be DC. In a dream world it'd be Rex Ryan HC, Spagnuolo as DC, and Saunders as OC. I'd take that in a heartbeat right now.

[Blue Bird]

About face on Zorn. Crap. I really like that guy.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3214785

[RedskinsFan86]

About face on Zorn. Crap. I really like that guy.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3214785 Surprising, to say the least.

Hiring an OC before finding a HC...interesting...I still say promote Williams or somehow get Rex Ryan...hopefully Zorn can live up to all this hype and help develop Campbell into a more consistent QB.

[Blue Bird]

Surprising, to say the least.

Hiring an OC before finding a HC...interesting...I still say promote Williams or somehow get Rex Ryan...hopefully Zorn can live up to all this hype and help develop Campbell into a more consistent QB.

He certainly turned Hasselbeck around. When we traded for him, I thought the guy was complete crap and would never be able to find his composure in the pocket.

[RedskinsFan86]

He certainly turned Hasselbeck around. When we traded for him, I thought the guy was complete crap and would never be able to find his composure in the pocket.
Campbell's pocket presence is usually pretty solid, it's his accuracy that gets shaky (especially in short range) and he just needs to learn how to read the field quicker (although that also comes with getting more experience than he's had so far). If Zorn can just level out Campbell's mechanics and work on his touch, Campbell's own work ethic can take care of a lot of the rest. I'm actually pretty excited about that prospect of hiring him.

The only thing I'm worried about is how much he'll change the offense as a whole, and more particularly what'll happen along the offensive line. I'd really like Joe Bugel to stay, he's obviously one of the best o-line coaches you could ask for, I'd hate to see him leave and the offensive line suffer as a result. WR and QB coach positions can do whatever, and Byner's been a good RB coach but I've heard rumblings he might head to Baltimore after this past season anyway. The o-line's by far one of the biggest needs of the team, to keep continuity and help coach up some of our younger depth.

[49erFaninMD]

im really surprised at how snyders goin about this.living in this area ive seen a lot redskins games and to me theyre not far away from being a legit super bowl contender.theyre only missing 3 things, size at the receiver position,a good pass rush,and the development of jason campbell.the skins went 9-7 this year but could of easily went 15-1 but because of late game collapses,injuries,and retarded coaching decisions they struggled.williams is the obvious choice to me because he provides continuity something the redskins have lacked under snyder and hes well liked by the players and fans.

[Blue Bird]

Finally Zorn gets a shot to be an OC. Congrats.

Yeah, surprised the Seahawks didn't make a stronger push to retain him. From the sound of things, he gave them the opportunity to.

[Tenjikuronin]

i think that he is just waiting to see if willingham gets fired after next season at UW. thats where Mora has stated he wants to be and willingham is on the hot seat this year.


Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Tyrone Willingham gets the boot. UW Students/Alumni have already started petitions calling for the hiring of Jim Mora....lol

[RedskinsFan86]

So Zorn is now the OC, and Greg Blache has moved up to take over the DC position, leaving only the HC to be named...

The Redskins board is blowing up right now with people tearing their hair out and calling for Snyder's head because he let Williams walk and got rid of Al Saunders, but I don't see what the big fuss is yet. I think Williams should've been given the chance at the HC position, sure, but I don't know that Blache will be too different and he was the guy right beneath Williams on the coaching ladder, so it'll be the same system and it was kept in-house. Not that bad.

Part of me also believes that there are some kind of quiet negotiations going on where someone is already telling Snyder who they would like as coordinators if they were to take the HC job, and it could very well be someone on the Super Bowl staffs. It's not like Snyder's throwing together a completely wild staff of random guys and just cleaning house, he's trying to keep a lot of guys, promoted the DC from within, and just brought in a new really good OC with a new system. There's a sense of pretty logical direction going on with these moves. I'd be shocked if Fassel were the guy, I'll say that much right now- I think it's going to be a defensive minded coach that runs an aggressive 4-3...my money is on Spagnuolo from the Giants being the guy Snyder wants, and if Snyder can't get him, then he'll look to (crossing my fingers here) Rex Ryan.

[BrentJones84]

So Zorn is now the OC, and Greg Blache has moved up to take over the DC position, leaving only the HC to be named...

The Redskins board is blowing up right now with people tearing their hair out and calling for Snyder's head because he let Williams walk and got rid of Al Saunders, but I don't see what the big fuss is yet. I think Williams should've been given the chance at the HC position, sure, but I don't know that Blache will be too different and he was the guy right beneath Williams on the coaching ladder, so it'll be the same system and it was kept in-house. Not that bad.

Part of me also believes that there are some kind of quiet negotiations going on where someone is already telling Snyder who they would like as coordinators if they were to take the HC job, and it could very well be someone on the Super Bowl staffs. It's not like Snyder's throwing together a completely wild staff of random guys and just cleaning house, he's trying to keep a lot of guys, promoted the DC from within, and just brought in a new really good OC with a new system. There's a sense of pretty logical direction going on with these moves. I'd be shocked if Fassel were the guy, I'll say that much right now- I think it's going to be a defensive minded coach that runs an aggressive 4-3...my money is on Spagnuolo from the Giants being the guy Snyder wants, and if Snyder can't get him, then he'll look to (crossing my fingers here) Rex Ryan.

Something must be up, because it's really odd for a team to name assistant coaches and coordinators before naming a HC. Most head coaches want to be able to name their own staff, and who ever takes the job basically won't have any say in it.

I would have thought Saunder or Williams would have been promoted right up to HC, and seems really odd that neither one was named and HC and were both shown the door.

[BrentJones84]

im really surprised at how snyders goin about this.living in this area ive seen a lot redskins games and to me theyre not far away from being a legit super bowl contender.theyre only missing 3 things, size at the receiver position,a good pass rush,and the development of jason campbell.the skins went 9-7 this year but could of easily went 15-1 but because of late game collapses,injuries,and retarded coaching decisions they struggled.williams is the obvious choice to me because he provides continuity something the redskins have lacked under snyder and hes well liked by the players and fans.

While I don't know about 15-1, I agree the Skins have finally started looking like they truely on their way up and finally have some continuity, and it doesn't make much sense to blow out so much staff.