Another Possible WR (Still In The Hunt)

[NY49erFan]

Might still end up with Ashley Lelie after all.

From SI.COM

Interest in Ashley Lelie reportedly is heating up. Among teams that have shown interest are Baltimore, Philadelphia, Chicago, San Francisco and Atlanta. -- Denver Post

[majesstik1]

Not to be rude, but this is hardly news. We've know these teams have been interested in Lelie for months.

I can only hope we don't get him, because we could draft a much better player next year with whatever pick we'd have to give up to get him. And we don't have expendable players to trade for a POS-one dimensional-cry baby-prissy WR.

[jmichura]

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!

No more Lelie threads unless he is actually traded to us!!!. Heck, I would even like to see a thread here if he gets traded to ANYONE, so that I can rest knowing there won't be any more Leslie-to-49ers threads.



I would like to see us get Lelie though. Just so I can see how many people change their opinions on him as soon as he puts on a 49ers jersey.

[NY49erFan]

Only reason why I posted this is because numerous people have stated that we are not seriously in the hunt for Ashley and others have said we have bowed out and Nolan was not interested anymore. As for wanting or not wanting him - I truly think as long as he can keep his comments to himself and not completely disrupt the team - why not pick him up if possible. Other than running his mouth from time to time and asking to be traded from the Bronco's you never really see his name in the paper for other detrimental actions. Not like he is committing crimes, failing drug tests or beating his wife. Picking him up adds depth to our WR position and also creates even more compitition, which can only make our existing WR's better. Maybe it is "hardly news" but it is still worth following in my book.

[Tahoegirl]

Might still end up with Ashley Lelie after all.

From SI.COM

Interest in Ashley Lelie reportedly is heating up. Among teams that have shown interest are Baltimore, Philadelphia, Chicago, San Francisco and Atlanta. -- Denver Post

:link:

[majesstik1]

Only reason why I posted this is because numerous people have stated that we are not seriously in the hunt for Ashley and others have said we have bowed out and Nolan was not interested anymore. As for wanting or not wanting him - I truly think as long as he can keep his comments to himself and not completely disrupt the team - why not pick him up if possible. Other than running his mouth from time to time and asking to be traded from the Bronco's you never really see his name in the paper for other detrimental actions. Not like he is committing crimes, failing drug tests or beating his wife. Picking him up adds depth to our WR position and also creates even more compitition, which can only make our existing WR's better. Maybe it is "hardly news" but it is still worth following in my book.

Until we either acquire him, or someone else does, our name will be linked to him by mediots. I don't think he can help us, and I don't think Nolan wants another Brandon Llyod. Lelie sucks, period. He's only good at running fast up field, if he can even get off the LOS. I'll pass, and I'm positive the 49ers will to. Time to put these threads to bed.

[NY49erFan]

:link:


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/scorecard/08/07/truth.rumors.nfl/1.html

[ManCans]

Until we either acquire him, or someone else does, our name will be linked to him by mediots. I don't think he can help us, and I don't think Nolan wants another Brandon Llyod. Lelie sucks, period. He's only good at running fast up field, if he can even get off the LOS. I'll pass, and I'm positive the 49ers will to. Time to put these threads to bed.Before the Broncos villified Lelie in the media for requesting a trade, he was considered a fan favorite in Denver. Also, coming out of college, Lelie was considered one of the best route runners in the draft. So just because Shanahan didn't know how to utilize Lelie's talent doesn't mean he sucks.

[majesstik1]

Before the Broncos villified Lelie in the media for requesting a trade, he was considered a fan favorite in Denver. Also, coming out of college, Lelie was considered one of the best route runners in the draft. So just because Shanahan didn't know how to utilize Lelie's talent doesn't mean he sucks.

All fine and dandy, but I've seen plenty of Lelie's play, and he sucks. You go with what you've read, and I'll trust my own two.

[ManCans]

All fine and dandy, but I've seen plenty of Lelie's play, and he sucks. You go with what you've read, and I'll trust my own two.Quite honestly, I'll consider a professional scout's opinion well over yours:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2002/profiles/lelie_ashley.htm

[majesstik1]

Quite honestly, I'll consider a professional scout's opinion well over yours:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2002/profiles/lelie_ashley.htm

Have you ever watched him play?

When you've been a football fan long enough, you don't have to rely on outdated college scouting reports, when you can just see his game for yourself. You don't seem to have your own opinion of his game, you're just going off of what you've read.

[ManCans]

Have you ever watched him play?

When you've been a football fan long enough, you don't have to rely on outdated college scouting reports, when you can just see his game for yourself. You don't seem to have your own opinion of his game, you're just going off of what you've read.Did you watch him play in Hawaii, when he broke all kinds of school records? Or did you watch him play in Shanahan's restrictive offense, with a weak armed quarterback? I can give you all kinds of examples of players who were average in one system, and outstanding in another. Shanahan forces players to fit into his system, while Turner utilizes player's strengths. I think he'll thrive here, and if he doesn't, we'll probably only lose a 4th round draft pick (I think we'll offer a second conditional pick) for him. That's if we, the fans, give him a chance.

I'm from Sacramento, where players like Chris Webber, Ron Artest, and Bonzi Wells were given a second chance and really turned things around for their team and themselves. That's because we have some of the greatest fans in sports who embrace their players even if they have a checkered past. I think our Bay Area neighbors (home of the perennial so-so Warriors) could learn something from us.

[SBbound49ers]

Did you watch him play in Hawaii, when he broke all kinds of school records? Or did you watch him play in Shanahan's restrictive offense, with a weak armed quarterback? I can give you all kinds of examples of players who were average in one system, and outstanding in another. Shanahan forces players to fit into his system, while Turner utilizes player's strengths. I think he'll thrive here, and if he doesn't, we'll probably only lose a 4th round draft pick (I think we'll offer a second conditional pick) for him. That's if we, the fans, give him a chance.

I'm from Sacramento, where players like Chris Webber, Ron Artest, and Bonzi Wells were given a second chance and really turned things around for their team and themselves. That's because we have some of the greatest fans in sports who embrace their players even if they have a checkered past. I think our Bay Area neighbors (home of the perennial so-so Warriors) could learn something from us.

2nd chance, new scheme, maybe will help some players but Lelie has shown two things: Hes soft and has a Freddie Mitchell mentality. Ill pass.

[majesstik1]

Did you watch him play in Hawaii, when he broke all kinds of school records? Or did you watch him play in Shanahan's restrictive offense, with a weak armed quarterback? I can give you all kinds of examples of players who were average in one system, and outstanding in another. Shanahan forces players to fit into his system, while Turner utilizes player's strengths. I think he'll thrive here, and if he doesn't, we'll probably only lose a 4th round draft pick (I think we'll offer a second conditional pick) for him. That's if we, the fans, give him a chance.

I'm from Sacramento, where players like Chris Webber, Ron Artest, and Bonzi Wells were given a second chance and really turned things around for their team and themselves. That's because we have some of the greatest fans in sports who embrace their players even if they have a checkered past. I think our Bay Area neighbors (home of the perennial so-so Warriors) could learn something from us.

Hawaii doesn't face anywhere near NFL caliber defenses. I'm talking about pro football here. Shannahan doesn't restrict his offensive players, Lelie just didn't get open. Again, I ask, have you watch him play? This time I should add, "In the NFL?". We don't need another Brandon Llyod.

And, I live in Sac too, so I'm very familiar with the Kings, but you can't compare a 5 man sport with an 11, there's no connection. Plus, Sac only has B-Ball, so of course we're passionate about our only team.

I'm done here, you have yet to give me a substantiated opinion of Lelie's PRO career.

[ManCans]

i'll trust your opinion ManCans as you have well thought out viewpoints on alot of things but seriously going with a scouts opinion on Lelie from 2002 versus what he's accomplished or not accomplished in the nfl since then is, well, it's ridiculous.

We all know that players don't always play or pan out according to their nfl draft day scouting reports otherwise B.Lloyd would probably still be a niner...Thanks, Tiz, as I always respect your opinion as well. Granted, the NFL is much different than college, but I still find it hard to believe that Lelie would be touted as a great route runner out of college, and be panned by fans (mostly) as a bad route runner in the NFL. I'd bet that Lelie's biggest problem is getting off the LOS against bigger, physical NFL backs, which naturally disrupts his routes. That doesn't make him a bad route runner, it just means he needs to learn to get off the line better.

[ManCans]

Hawaii doesn't face anywhere near NFL caliber defenses. I'm talking about pro football here. Shannahan doesn't restrict his offensive players, Lelie just didn't get open. Again, I ask, have you watch him play? This time I should add, "In the NFL?". We don't need another Brandon Llyod.

And, I live in Sac too, so I'm very familiar with the Kings, but you can't compare a 5 man sport with an 11, there's no connection. Plus, Sac only has B-Ball, so of course we're passionate about our only team.

I'm done here, you have yet to give me a substantiated opinion of Lelie's PRO career.Yes, I've seen Lelie play, and he seemed like a pretty solid #2 receiver. No, I haven't been able to isolate him to analyze his route running, as I'm sure you haven't either. You've probably watched him on TV like the rest of us, where the play follows the ball and not the individual player, making it nearly impossible to know exactly how open Lelie was on every play. From what I've read on the Bronco's MB, Lelie had a terrific 2004 season, and was really looking to break out in 2005. Then, opponents started keying on him, and disrupting him at the LOS, and he still produced almost 800 receiving yards (more than Brandon Lloyd did as a #1 receiver). That tells me that he's going through what every good receiver in the NFL goes through when they have to learn to be more physical at the LOS. I also hear that Lelie is a hard worker and a strong competitor, so I don't think he'll have any problems adapting to the more physical play.

If you're from Sacramento, I'm sure you were one of those fans complaining about the Ron Artest trade, and look how that turned out.

As far as a substantiated OPINION, mine is just as valid as yours. I look at Lelie's PRODUCTION, which is on par with Antonio Bryant's. I say give the kid a chance.

[majesstik1]

If you're from Sacramento, I'm sure you were one of those fans complaining about the Ron Artest trade, and look how that turned out.

Far from it. Perhaps you weren't active in the Kings threads on the old board, but I was down with that trade the day the rumor hit two years ago. We need tough guys here.

If you want to draw NFL to NBA comparisons, I'll say Lelie is Peja, one dimention, can't get it done himself, but if he's open, he'll make it.

[ManCans]

My problem with Lelie is that he doesn't run the routes a #1 wr usually does, which is why the Bronco's haven't ran a well balanced passing attack from both sides of the field.

Rod Smith and their TEs are asked to do the dirty work and Lelie is asked to go deep alot. he'll run deep post and go's alot. There's not taken away his leaping ability and his desire to get the ball over DBs but he seldom, if at all, goes across the middle which is why teams weren't clamoring for him to be their #1.

As for Denver and him, they have attempted to go with Darius Watts and Todd Devoe last year to do alot of what Lelie was doing. Devoe's problem last year were his hands but in preseason he ran almost every route Lelie was running. The reason why Denver hasn't even budged on Lelies request is due to Watts and Devoe being virtually the same player in terms of atheletic ability as Lelie.

Those two, if you get a chance this year to watch denver during the preseason, will be the ones to take alot of the deeper routes and you'll see alot of "lelie" in them at a very big discounted priceI don't think I'll get a chance to watch Lelie in training camp this year because I believe he still hasn't reported. From what I hear from several people who have watched him play, he'd be the perfect #2 receiver in Turner's offense because he's an excellent deep threat receiver (as confirmed by Drac). I doubt he'd be asked to line up in the slot very often, but it would allow Battle to play the Y receiver, which he seems perfectly suited for.

As far as Lelie's comments, all I've read is that he wanted a chance to compete, and when the Broncos signed Walker, they basically took away that chance. I don't know about you, but if it became obvious that I couldn't even compete, I'd want a trade too.

[ManCans]

Far from it. Perhaps you weren't active in the Kings threads on the old board, but I was down with that trade the day the rumor hit two years ago. We need tough guys here.

If you want to draw NFL to NBA comparisons, I'll say Lelie is Peja, one dimention, can't get it done himself, but if he's open, he'll make it.Fair enough, although my comparison had to do with the fan's attitude towards players, not their skills. I find it hard to believe that you could support a guy like Artest, and not even give Lelie a chance.

As far as the Peja comparison; Peja is a player who thrives in a certain system, which is exactly what I'm saying about Lelie. Our NEW offense is predicated on the deep receiving threat, which is the perfect ROLE for Lelie. So, yeah, your comparison is very valid.

[ManCans]

I agree with Majestik.......

I'm a hardcore Kings fan.....even more than I am for the Niners....

And let me say I was one of the happiest people in Sac when Artest came to us...

He was exactly the type of player we were missing........can you say DEFENSE.Ditto! In Ron we trust! GO KINGS!!!

Sorry, back on topic...

[Hopper15]

I agree with Majestik.......

I'm a hardcore Kings fan.....even more than I am for the Niners....

And let me say I was one of the happiest people in Sac when Artest came to us...

He was exactly the type of player we were missing........can you say DEFENSE.

Can you say Pyscho....

Only a matter of time until Artest suspended like always.

[majesstik1]

I find it hard to believe that you could support a guy like Artest, and not even give Lelie a chance.

Artest has skills. I don't like Lelie's skill set. Attitude isn't a problem to me, as we saw Artest totally change his and become a leader. I don't think Lelie can bring that here. Gilmore is our deep threat here, and if Battle stays healthy, we'll have (to me) a very solid 3 WRs + 2 quality TEs.

I dislike Lelie, and wouldn't want him on my team, simple as that. I've seen enough of his game to form that conclusion, and I'm standing by it. I'd rather see (and it seems Nolan does too) guys who can add more than one dimention to the offense.

[Hopper15]

and only a matter of time before Peja misses another clutch shot

I wish I cared.

[Hopper15]

You know nothing my friend...

Artest has been a leader in the community since he has arrived. He has held charity events and has shown nothing but his sincerest effort to be an outstanding citizen.

He in fact took the initiative in joing the summer league to get a little more work done and to also help improve our younger players....Not many NBA superstars put in such extra efforts...

Thus far Artest has been nothing but sensational for the Kings..

You can't show me one ounce of proof to substantiate your ignorant claim....

Ignorance no, you just can't except the fact that the honeymoon with Ron Artest is over.

After everything you said it still doesn't change the fact that Artest is a timing ticking bomb ready to explode. The Brawl in detriot ring a bell, he couldn't even control his anger so instead that pyscho goes into the stands.

No one on that team can control Artest especially Eric Mussleman, firing rick adleman and letting go of Bonzi Wells were both mistakes.

[Hopper15]

i'm with you on this one, and the thing i hate about Lelie is that he is considered a deep threat yet he isn't fast. any WR will have a high ypc average if all you run is posts and streaks. the guy can't run half the routes needed and can't block, i'll pass.

Yeah and Battle so much better, please.

[Hopper15]

:nolisten: :nolisten: :nolisten: :nolisten:

Well don't take my word for it, go talk to some Pacer fans and they will tell you what the real Ron Artest is like.

[Hopper15]

the pro's of having him don't outweigh the con's of giving something up to get him.

Well that's a opinion.

[majesstik1]

No one on that team can control Artest especially Eric Mussleman, firing rick adleman and letting go of Bonzi Wells were both mistakes.

I don't think you understand the situation with both of those moves. Adelman never was able to get the post-season production required for a coach of his stature to keep their job. Petrie, and many fans felt is was time to move in a different direction, and get a hard nosed coach in here to make these guys hustle out there.

Wells was going to get more money than we could afford to pay him, and Martin proved he was ready for more minutes last year, and with the drafting of Garcia, we couldn't keep 5 swingmen on the roster. Wells was great for us last year, but in order to operate a successful franchise/business, sometimes you have to make those kinds of decisions.

Artest is quirky for sure, but I think he's had enough problems to learn how to keep himself away from it. He's all about his team, and the community, there's not much more you could ask for out of him. He's more mature now, and I doubt you'll get the satisfaction of watching him 'go off'.

[majesstik1]

the pro's of having him don't outweigh the con's of giving something up to get him.

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to knobs27 again.

exactly

[ManCans]

Artest has skills. I don't like Lelie's skill set. Attitude isn't a problem to me, as we saw Artest totally change his and become a leader. I don't think Lelie can bring that here. Gilmore is our deep threat here, and if Battle stays healthy, we'll have (to me) a very solid 3 WRs + 2 quality TEs.

I dislike Lelie, and wouldn't want him on my team, simple as that. I've seen enough of his game to form that conclusion, and I'm standing by it. I'd rather see (and it seems Nolan does too) guys who can add more than one dimention to the offense.Again, fair enough. But Artest also lacks in certain areas; several times during the season, I wanted someone to tackle him when he pulled up for a 3-pointer. That ROLE belongs to Kevin Martin, who isn't nearly as good in the paint as Artest. Gilmore may turn out to be an excellent deep threat receiver, but he simply hasn't produced as much as Lelie has. I'd rather go with the PROVEN #2 wide receiver with over 1800 yards the past 2 seasons.

As far as Lelie's blocking, I really can't comment on that since the action follows the ball, not the player. However, the scouting report that I read indicated that Lelie is a good, physical blocker. So again, I find it hard to believe that a professional scout reports that Lelie can block, and several fans, who don't seem to have firsthand accounts, say otherwise. Maybe if some of you provided a link, I'd be more apt to believe you...

[Hopper15]

I don't think you understand the situation with both of those moves. Adelman never was able to get the post-season production required for a coach of his stature to keep their job. Petrie, and many fans felt is was time to move in a different direction, and get a hard nosed coach in here to make these guys hustle out there.

Wells was going to get more money than we could afford to pay him, and Martin proved he was ready for more minutes last year, and with the drafting of Garcia, we couldn't keep 5 swingmen on the roster. Wells was great for us last year, but in order to operate a successful franchise/business, sometimes you have to make those kinds of decisions.

Artest is quirky for sure, but I think he's had enough problems to learn how to keep himself away from it. He's all about his team, and the community, there's not much more you could ask for out of him. He's more mature now, and I doubt you'll get the satisfaction of watching him 'go off'.

Trust me Mussleman is a downgrade to Adelman. Musslemen is not a players coach, he ran Gilbert Arenas out of Oakland and Jason Richardson nearly asked to be traded because Musslemen benched many of young players in favor of veterans. Well if you fired Adelman because he wasn't getting deep into the playoffs then Mussleman won't help you there much either because he has zero playoff coaching experience.

You couldn't afford Bonzi yet you go overpay for John Salmons. I'm sorry but Bonzi was carrying the kings in the series vs the spurs. Kevin Martin is a downgrade to Bonzi Wells any way you look at it.

Oh Artest will go off. Artest will do something to get him self suspended by the league. There's nothing you say to change my opinion on this.

[Hopper15]

So what your telling me is that people never change for the better........:unsure:

Not all people do change.

[ManCans]

Battle is a better all-around WR yes. but never once did i say Battle was our deep threat, those duties are for Bryant and Gilmore to go deep. i'll pass on Lelie because we would have to trade for him meaning giving something up for him and the pro's of having him don't outweigh the con's of giving something up to get him.That is one of the most misguided statements I've ever heard on this board. A proven #2 NFL receiver with over 1800 yards the last 2 seasons for a 3rd or 4th round draft choice? Please...

[foshizzle]

Whine whine whine.....Thats all u guys do about Ashley Lelie. I bet if we actually land Lelie in a trade, everybody will be saying woooooo I cant wait till he plays with us, what an awsome move and praise Nolan. Jeez give him a break.

[funky-monk]

i have yet to see the majority of this board not accept and hope for the best any niner player despite what they think of that players actual ability.

Crazy thing the posters here, they want the team to win despite what they think about the actual make up of the team...wow loyalty it's crazy isn't it...
I think i'm like one of 4 here that like Lelie. The guy had a down year last year due to a bit of the injury bug, but he was making tremendous strides the year before. Like I've said before, tell me who youd rather have or who youd rather draft. There is no real great talent coming out of college next year that i know of that will be an imediate impact, and there are no real good WRs still in the FA pool.

[funky-monk]

i think the board is split on Lelie's talent,

the turnoff is wanting the #1 position handed to him despite Rod Smith being a better player then him and Lelie not willing to go to camp and show he has the skills to take the spot...
This to me is no different than what Porter is going through, excpet no one seems to be lynching Porter for it. The Broncos go get Javon Walker, putting Lelie at the #3 spot, who has probably been told since day 1 that he is their future, and now hes looking to not even start this year. He gets fed up with it, says I'm better than being the #3 guy, and then says trade me. Although not being loyal to his current team, I mildly appreciate the honesty he shows by saying what the real problem is, and having the drive to go do something about it.

The same goes for Porter, except he acts shady about it and skapegoats Art Shell. -Porter is groomed to be the #1, and showed the previous season that he was good enough, then they bring in Randy Moss, and you dont expect there to be any sour grapes?? The whole Art Shell fighting is a copp-out for being Moss's shadow on a team that he feels he should be the #1 guy on.

Just my opinion/ reading between the lines.

[funky-monk]

Next year could be loaded with 1st round prospects at the WR position... (Calvin Johnson, Dwayne Jarrett, Jason Hill, Jeff Samardjiza, etc). Anyways, I'd be ok with us trading for Lelie, but I'm also ok with the guys we have for now. Lelie definitely isn't the be all and end all but I think he could make an impact for our team if we were to acquire him.
Other than Jeff Smardjiza, the only other WR that I know in the country that is getting a lot of hype is the Hoosiers James Hardy, who is a red shirt soph. What I'm getting at is that there is no Larry Fitz or Braylon Edwards out there that is worth trying to get next year, and def none that I would consider to be better than Lelie at this point in his career.

[GoodfellaDave]

Other than Jeff Smardjiza, the only other WR that I know in the country that is getting a lot of hype is the Hoosiers James Hardy, who is a red shirt soph. What I'm getting at is that there is no Larry Fitz or Braylon Edwards out there that is worth trying to get next year, and def none that I would consider to be better than Lelie at this point in his career.

I wouldn't be so sure. You should check out Georgia Tech and watch a guy named Calvin Johnson. He has huge potential and could one day be in the same category as Braylon, and Fitz.

[funky-monk]

Porter didn't say he demanded to be the #1 wr. he has the pay and all that jazz he voices his displeasure with the system, and in turn they say they want to trade him but demand two #1 picks. porter's who quote he admits he isn't worth two #1 picks. so he's got less of an ego than Lelie.

flipside of all that, and loss in the BS of Art Shelldom, is Warren Sapps issues with Art Shell. Madden claims Sapp is supportive of Shell during the game last night. NFLTA claims that Sapp has butted heads with Shell during the TC..

It sounds to me that like you have a situation where an out of work for over a decade coach trying to run PR games and losing...
I guess, but like I said, the point is Lelie does have a legit gripe, and although his displeasures were displayed badly, he'd still be a killer pick up for us.

[jmichura]

What are the chances that the same people (except TruSac) who are so willing to accept Artest knock TO whenever they get a chance?

I do think that Lelie is an upgrade over Battle. I don't know if that upgrade is worth a 3rd round pick, though.

I for one, have no issues with Lelie demanding a trade. He is essentially doing what he feels is best for him. For some reason, it seems that athletes are not allowed to excercise that right without persecution from the public. Being a number #3 receiver isn't exactly great for his number and therefore his next contract won't be for nearly as much.

I think he could be a better #2 than anybody we have. I just don't know what the Broncos are asking and what his salary is.

[funky-monk]

CALVIN JOHNSON......:yahoo:....................Rice or Jarret aren't bad either
Dude is cupcake compared to James Hardy. THis is what my boy up in Bloomington did this last year as a Fresh. (very rare I get to brag about Hoosier Football, so let me relish in this and you just tell me how right I am)

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=160604

[funky-monk]

What are the chances that the same people (except TruSac) who are so willing to accept Artest knock TO whenever they get a chance?

I do think that Lelie is an upgrade over Battle. I don't know if that upgrade is worth a 3rd round pick, though.

I for one, have no issues with Lelie demanding a trade. He is essentially doing what he feels is best for him. For some reason, it seems that athletes are not allowed to excercise that right without persecution from the public. Being a number #3 receiver isn't exactly great for his number and therefore his next contract won't be for nearly as much.

I think he could be a better #2 than anybody we have. I just don't know what the Broncos are asking and what his salary is.
so when the Broncos say, 'OK SF, we'll trade him for a 4th round pick (which we have 2 of next year), we got a deal?' You would say.......??

And thats the reality of it. Denver can probably bank on the 49ers having a top 10 pick next year, and a top 10 pick in the 4th round is like having an extra day1 pick. How he isnt worth that, I'll never know.

[jmichura]

so when the Broncos say, 'OK SF, we'll trade him for a 4th round pick (which we have 2 of next year), we got a deal?' You would say.......??

And thats the reality of it. Denver can probably bank on the 49ers having a top 10 pick next year, and a top 10 pick in the 4th round is like having an extra day1 pick. How he isnt worth that, I'll never know.


It would honestly depend on his salary and its length, etc.

[Tahoegirl]

Here is an update.

Matthew Barrows, of the Sacramento Bee, reports the San Francisco 49ers were discussing the possibility of acquiring WR Ashley Lelie from the Denver Broncos to add some depth and talent to the receiving corps. The team traded for WR Taylor Jacobs instead.

http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl

Now let the talks begin....:)

[BigB_85]

When they say instead, do they mean it was a possibility? Or is it still?

[Batman]

i'll trust your opinion ManCans as you have well thought out viewpoints on alot of things but seriously going with a scouts opinion on Lelie from 2002 versus what he's accomplished or not accomplished in the nfl since then is, well, it's ridiculous.

We all know that players don't always play or pan out according to their nfl draft day scouting reports otherwise B.Lloyd would probably still be a niner...

Yeah and Rashaun Woods would be a 1000 yard receiver if we relied on scouts' opinions.

[Batman]

Here is an update.



http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl

Now let the talks begin....:)


Maybe Denver wants Jacobs? Lelie for Jacobs is the only possible trade I could see happen.

[MENGO49er]

Take a look at this :

From kffl.com

Matthew Barrows, of the Sacramento Bee, reports the San Francisco 49ers (http://www.kffl.com/team/32/nfl) were discussing the possibility of acquiring WR Ashley Lelie (http://www.kffl.com/player/622/nfl) from the Denver Broncos (http://www.kffl.com/team/15/nfl) to add some depth and talent to the receiving corps. The team traded for WR Taylor Jacobs (http://www.kffl.com/player/5906/nfl) instead.

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I know some people have a lot of criticism about this guy but I would like to see him in the Niners .

[Rexi]

Take a look at this :

From kffl.com

Matthew Barrows, of the Sacramento Bee, reports the San Francisco 49ers (http://www.kffl.com/team/32/nfl) were discussing the possibility of acquiring WR Ashley Lelie (http://www.kffl.com/player/622/nfl) from the Denver Broncos (http://www.kffl.com/team/15/nfl) to add some depth and talent to the receiving corps. The team traded for WR Taylor Jacobs (http://www.kffl.com/player/5906/nfl) instead.

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I know some people have a lot of criticism about this guy but I would like to see him in the Niners .
The coaching staff made the right decision

[49ermanic1]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=2549626

"The 49ers had considered several veterans to beef up their receiving corps, including disgruntled Denver wideout Ashley Lelie and former Eagles receiver Freddie Mitchell. Nolan said trade discussions with the Broncos are dead."

[BrentJones84]

Take a look at this :

From kffl.com

Matthew Barrows, of the Sacramento Bee, reports the San Francisco 49ers (http://www.kffl.com/team/32/nfl) were discussing the possibility of acquiring WR Ashley Lelie (http://www.kffl.com/player/622/nfl) from the Denver Broncos (http://www.kffl.com/team/15/nfl) to add some depth and talent to the receiving corps. The team traded for WR Taylor Jacobs (http://www.kffl.com/player/5906/nfl) instead.
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I know some people have a lot of criticism about this guy but I would like to see him in the Niners .


I think you may have missed that last part.

Lelie is not going to happen.

[Batman]

were the scouts wrong on Rashaun's ability or was it injuries that stopped him from being a 1k receiver?


you see Rashaun is a bad example to use because he never stayed "healthy" to prove the scouts wrong or right, so while the joke is funny it's not exactly a great example for your case...I'd suggest using the same Ryan Leaf jokes, they work and always make the example of scouting being wrong LOL

lol darn you Tiz. You are the Rashaan Salaam of running backs. lol

[MENGO49er]

I think you may have missed that last part.

Lelie is not going to happen.

I thought there was still room for Lelie until I saw this report ...

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=2549626

[Reloader]

Ha there's always room for trade with Nolan.

[DraconisRex]

Might still end up with Ashley Lelie after all.

From SI.COM

Interest in Ashley Lelie reportedly is heating up. Among teams that have shown interest are Baltimore, Philadelphia, Chicago, San Francisco and Atlanta. -- Denver Post


Wow, haven't heard this rumor for a whole three days...

[TheThing78]

An underachiever for an underachiver. Taylor Jacobs would have been cut from the Skins most likely, although Rumph probably would have been cut from the 49ers as well.