Mel Kiper's Mock Draft Has Niners Drafting 6'7" James Hardy Out Of Iu.

[Niner585]

Like to see your thoughts on the kid. Personally I've never heard of him.

[BigMar]

Like to see your thoughts on the kid. Personally I've never heard of him.

His 40 time in the combine will be closely watched. For his size its got to be decent.

[queensbury49er]

I'd take it 6'7 :yikes:

[theduke335]

Next Plaxico Burres?

[queensbury49er]

Next Plaxico Burres?

If he caught the winning TD in the Superbowl I'd be more than happy :laugh:

[Imtharealist]

If he can get in the 4.40-4.45 range in his 40 yard dash then I'm all for it.(Ofcourse that speed has to match his game speed on tape)

Then hopefully Groves will fall to us in the 2nd or we could possibly move up agian...We would be a lot better on the edges with just those 2 players. We gotta shore up the trenchs in FA if we go that route and then supplement that with the draft in some later rounds.

[NortyFiner]

At 6-7, how much does he weigh? If the guy is a beanpole at that height, it will be really easy for DB's to jam him off routes...

[BigMar]

If he can get in the 4.40-4.45 range in his 40 yard dash then I'm all for it.(Ofcourse that speed has to match his game speed on tape)

Then hopefully Groves will fall to us in the 2nd or we could possibly move up agian...We would be a lot better on the edges with just those 2 players. We gotta shore up the trenchs in FA if we go that route and then supplement that with the draft in some later rounds.

He has to be faster than JJ Stokes was or no dice.

[queensbury49er]

At 6-7, how much does he weigh? If the guy is a beanpole at that height, it will be really easy for DB's to jam him off routes...

He weighs 220. He would be a real nice addition to the recieving core and a huge problem for DBs.

[Mac9er]

He is so raw, maybe in 2 or 3 years he'll get on the field... great choice...

[KingOfTheHill]

im predicting his 40 and vert will blow scouts away when combined with his size and arm length

i dont think hes anything but a jump ball receiver, but with a jump ball receiver, youre always a threat to convert in the red zone.

i like the pick. just hope he works hard and learns quick if we do pick him.

[49ermanic1]

He will most likely run a 4.5
We will be able to get him in the 2nd easy.

[bilwit]

Hope he won't be useless.

[Mac9er]

Hope he won't be useless.

If, we draft him, you won't see him on the field for two years... then ya'll will be calling him a bust.

[Gof the Gij]

Linky?

[Mac9er]

Linky?

Linky to what?

[Gof the Gij]

Kiper's draft. I just want to see it and laugh at it.

[ninersgold]

Here are James Hardy's teams highlights, he is number 82 when you see him in the highlights...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlvNDrHBZl8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt1PBEfwuJQ&feature=related

He looks very good, I like him as a number 1 WR, he has the size, and skills, but he would need to work hard because his skills are so raw, but 6'7", is a nice blanket to cover Alex Smith with, every young Qb has a nice tall WR, Rivers has 6'5" Vincent Jackson, Eli Manning has 6'5" Plax Burress, and Alex Smith has 6'7" James Hardy? His height is actually 6'6" and three quarters, round that up to 6'7" You can't miss him! He looks like he is burning some of the players he is going up against, even Justin King who runs a 4.3 40, I think Hardy has "game speed" like Jerry Rice, slow 40 time, fast on the field. (I'm not saying he is the next Rice just comparing that speed factor)

Hardy could either go as our 1st or as our 2nd round pick
so either Gorves 1st Hardy 2nd or
Hardy 1st and Groves 2nd

It's hard to decide which one has a higher possibility of working out, becuz the Raiders may pick Hardy up with their 2nd pick b4 us, or the Rams or Jets taking Groves b4 our 2nd pick, anyways right now we need to wait till the combine, Groves's stock will rise if he runs that 4.4 40 like he probaly will (unless injury prevents him) and Hardy also might have his stock go up after interviews and his 40 time. We might not even get either of them...
:thud: :thud: :thud: :thud:

[dwizzle415]

Kiper said we would draft allan branch last year in first round. lol

Hardy is good though... I seen him play a lot. He would catch about 12 passes a game. He is good and used his speed and size agaisnt the smaller college DBs very well

[dwizzle415]

Pete Prisco of Cbs sportsline said we will draft Early Doucet the WR from LSU. I seen him too and he is fast and catches the ball well. Can't go wrong with both but the WR position is very deep this year

[rathman53]

I think we can do better than Hardy....

[Willis-052]

IMO WR is not our biggest need we should at least address NT or the Pass Rush first. I think some good WRs could be available in the 3rd.

[roleplay3r1]

No thanks

[RandG Bleeder]

I love his height and speed but think he maybe too big for the position. It may impact his route running unless we have him go deep all the time. Ideally I would draft a Conner in the first and Hardy in the second round.

[Gof the Gij]

IMO WR is not our biggest need we should at least address NT or the Pass Rush first. I think some good WRs could be available in the 3rd.

I agree. Groves 4tw.

[Sky Valley]

Next Plaxico Burres?

or Todd Pinkston. 6'7" 220, is something like the equivalent of 6'1" 180. Dude is skinny. This is not to say he can't play, or the Niners should ignore him, it's just a fact.

[Max_Power]

or Todd Pinkston. 6'7" 220, is something like the equivalent of 6'1" 180. Dude is skinny. This is not to say he can't play, or the Niners should ignore him, it's just a fact.

Terrible comparison. 180 is still 180 pounds. 220, at roughly 6' 5.5''-6' 6'', which is actually where he is at, is not that bad. He has the frame to add. If anything, worst case scenario, he will be the next Mike Williams.

[Leeding49er]

I thought Martz liked small, mobile wideouts?

I wouldn't touch a WR in the first round in any case. Let's address the offensive or defensive line first.

[HitMan52]

I thought Martz liked small, mobile wideouts?

I wouldn't touch a WR in the first round in any case. Let's address the offensive or defensive line first.

I agree.

I would love to trade down from the #29 spot but if we dont I would love to get Pat Sims in the first and Carl Nicks in the 2nd.

[wisco9erfan]

Here's a few more thoughts on Hardy from a previous thread: http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showthread.php?t=45690&highlight=kiper

[DavidSt.Hubbins]

Anybody saying we could get a Wr in the 3rd round or later....are you the same people complaining that our mid round WR's from the last few years aren't seeing the field??...because the only way a rookie WR is going to see the field on a Mike Nolan team is if he's forced to put him on the field by management because we gave him 1st round money.

PS: Draft James Hardy

[42Lott]

I think we can do better than Hardy....

You are 100% right! Hardy is not a first rounder. He will most likely grade out as a second rounder. Sure he has size, he is a rare college WR that actually uses it, but does not have natural hands. He lets the ball get into his body way too often. Plus, he will probably run about a 4.55/40. Not bad but not great. He did not look to be very explosive or to have an extra gear. IMO second rounder!

[ManCans]

Hardy probably won't make it to our pick at #29. He should have a good 40-time, excellent vertical, and showcase his hands at the combine, which will probably shoot him into the mid-first round.

[SBbound49ers]

Hardy probably won't make it to our pick at #29. He should have a good 40-time, excellent vertical, and showcase his hands at the combine, which will probably shoot him into the mid-first round.

I dont think he'll go any lower than the Titans.

[ninersgold]

IMO WR is not our biggest need we should at least address NT or the Pass Rush first. I think some good WRs could be available in the 3rd.

Are you crazy! or are you :shots: ?

Our biggest need is WR, we had the 32nd offense! Does anybody notice that! I agree we shouldn't pick Hardy as a first rounder, he is a 2nd round WR, Quentin Groves is a beast, and we do need a nice pass rush, but we need a Wr that can catch the ball consistently. Hardy can, as long as we get a Wr in the 2nd round I am happy, but it is our most important posisiton.

Look at this...

http://profootballexperts.scout.com/2/687001.html

We need a WR, if we don't get Hardy than my next favorite WR is Donnie Avery, a 2nd round WR that runs a 4.2 40 good Martz WR he is short and has blazing speed...

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/donnie-avery?id=184

and after him a 4th-5th round WR that I really like is Will Franklin...
http://www.gametap.com/home/read/article/2840

and also NFL.com says...

"Positives: Excellent size-speed-athleticism combination. ... Possesses great hops and can use them to get the jump ball. ... Can tightrope the sideline and concentrate on the catch. ... Catches the ball away from body most times. ... Can be physical with cornerbacks in run blocking downfield. ... Willing to go over the middle and take a hit. ... Nice YAC potential because he can change directions and accelerate quickly. ... Called a "team player" by his coaches. ... Good bloodlines. ... Uncle is former NFL wide receiver Darnay Scott.

Negatives: Was never "the man" in Missouri's offense. ... Concentration lacks at times, looking to make plays before securing the ball. ... Needs to show he can be effective in all types of routes, not just the intermediate to deep ones. ... Tore labrum in right shoulder late in 2006."

The torn labrum in right shoulder is nothing to worry about, cuz it is from 2006!
I really don't see anything that bothers me about his negatives, very few.

[WhistlingMtn]

Are you crazy! or are you :shots: ?

Our biggest need is WR, we had the 32nd offense! Does anybody notice that! I agree we shouldn't pick Hardy as a first rounder, he is a 2nd round WR, Quentin Groves is a beast, and we do need a nice pass rush, but we need a Wr that can catch the ball consistently. Hardy can, as long as we get a Wr in the 2nd round I am happy, but it is our most important posisiton.

Look at this...

http://profootballexperts.scout.com/2/687001.html

We need a WR, if we don't get Hardy than my next favorite WR is Donnie Avery, a 2nd round WR that runs a 4.2 40 good Martz WR he is short and has blazing speed...

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/donnie-avery?id=184

and after him a 4th-5th round WR that I really like is Will Franklin...
http://www.gametap.com/home/read/article/2840

and also NFL.com says...

"Positives: Excellent size-speed-athleticism combination. ... Possesses great hops and can use them to get the jump ball. ... Can tightrope the sideline and concentrate on the catch. ... Catches the ball away from body most times. ... Can be physical with cornerbacks in run blocking downfield. ... Willing to go over the middle and take a hit. ... Nice YAC potential because he can change directions and accelerate quickly. ... Called a "team player" by his coaches. ... Good bloodlines. ... Uncle is former NFL wide receiver Darnay Scott.

Negatives: Was never "the man" in Missouri's offense. ... Concentration lacks at times, looking to make plays before securing the ball. ... Needs to show he can be effective in all types of routes, not just the intermediate to deep ones. ... Tore labrum in right shoulder late in 2006."

The torn labrum in right shoulder is nothing to worry about, cuz it is from 2006!
I really don't see anything that bothers me about his negatives, very few.

WR may be the position with the greatest talent gap, but that doesn't mean it's the most useful position to draft in the first and second round in a draft that is "deep" with "good" WRs. There are no #1 WRs in this draft, at least none that will be #1s in the next couple of years. Meanwhile a Nose could come in and anchor the defensive line, an OLB could come in and help create turnovers.

[#42]

I really hope we're smart and steer clear of James Hardy. He's 6'6 220+ but BFD. He's a Big-10 Wideout for Indiana. Key word = Big-10.

Really I'd much rather see us acquire an already established wide out with some NFL experience and use the first three to four rounds of the draft for Defense and the O-line. I really like the idea of Matt Jones if Jacksonville chooses to cut ties. They don't know how to use him anyhow because Del Rio and Tice are choads.

If a WR like Earl Bennett from Vanderbilt is available in round three then I'd snatch him up considering he's an SEC WR who is the SECs all time leader at the position. Plus it's not too big of a gamble in the 3rd. Another who falls under this category is Jordy Nelson. A lot of smarts and marks like Malcolm Kelly and Limas Sweed. Problem is a first rounder if they fall just isn't worth it at that position imo, maybe Kelly but I’d really need some convincing that he's ready ala a Roy Williams when he emerged.

I also really like Edward Williams out of Lane (TN) and feel he will be available as at this time he's projected as a 7th to FA pick-up. I have a feeling he's another one of those late rounders who ends up making a mark as the majority of late rounders do who are snatched up by intelligent Football Operations.

Another WR I like out of Texas Tech is Danny Amendola. He's a out 6'0 and goes about 185 but he's smart and quick with a low 4 in the forty which has me seeing Wes Welker esque production in the slot in the right system. He's projected to go un-drafted.

[NJNiner]

im predicting his 40 and vert will blow scouts away when combined with his size and arm length

i dont think hes anything but a jump ball receiver, but with a jump ball receiver, youre always a threat to convert in the red zone.

i like the pick. just hope he works hard and learns quick if we do pick him.

we havent had a jump ball receiver since Owens though, I think that is one of our needs


I would love him in the second if hes still around, not sure if he would be

[Douce]

I thought Martz liked small, mobile wideouts?

I wouldn't touch a WR in the first round in any case. Let's address the offensive or defensive line first.

He likes his WRs to clean,precise routes. And of course be fast. His version of the spread offense is all based on timing. Quick accurate throws by the QB, usually to a spot the WR needs to get to. Which sets up the one on one downfield throw. A rookie WR won't play for a year or 2 for Martz. My hope is that he can coach a guy like Berrian or Stallworth. There are a couple WRs I would take a chance on IF we don't sign a FA WR.... but we don't have ANY quality WRs right now....

[NY2ThaBay08]

look at sig.....

[UCBLaxPlayer]

hardy is potential due to size. i think we can get someone more polished with the same ceiling.

just me thoug

[imabored]

let's draft him. hopefully he is there the 2nd round.