Is Berrian Worth It? Heck no!

[49ersFanz4life]

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Berrian is looking for a deal that nets $24.5 million over the first three years, and bonuses worth $12 million. The Bears have offered Berrian $8 million in bonus money in a five-year, $25 million package, but apparently that isn’t enough.

Who does he think he is? Moss?....

[Roadhg67]

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Berrian is looking for a deal that nets $24.5 million over the first three years, and bonuses worth $12 million. The Bears have offered Berrian $8 million in bonus money in a five-year, $25 million package, but apparently that isn’t enough.

Who does he think he is? Moss?....

I hope we don't offer anything in that range!

[jackacid]

I wouldn't want to see us give him $12M in bonuses.

This really comes down to Martz and I can almost assure you that he'll have a large voice in deciding what WRs we bring in.

[49ersFanz4life]

I hope we don't offer anything in that range!
This explains why Chicago hasn't signed him....

[beasley for pres]

yeah I really don't think any of the receivers this offseason are worth that money (sans Randy Moss) but I'd rather Berrian than say Porter or Johnson

[1st&Gore]

Maybe he doesnt want to stay in Chicago and he'll come home for less

[Jcdawg23]

Im sorry but Martz is the man. I really think he could make our offense pop with the guys we got. That is as long as every one stay healthy "caugh" "caugh" (ALEX). ;)

[IamNINERSfan]

johnson or stallworth over berrian even hackett is better

[merc49ers]

Berrian isn't worth nowhere near that much. I honestly don't feel he is even a true number 1 (At least not an elite one). I understand that he would be a good fit for Martz system, but I wouldn't want to risk finding out at that price.

[bajan2128]

johnson or stallworth over berrian even hackett is better

I agree especially if he is asking for that much money. If we pay him that much we are insane, I'm sure we can get Stallworth and Johnson for less then that.

[SBbound49ers]

I'll take Isaac Bruce or Javon Walker.

[firekid0669]

You all are forgetting that none of the players you mentioned have played for the Ravens so we aren't interested.

[jackacid]

If we sign Justin Smith, I think we go WR with the 29th pick. I think there are a handful of real decent prospects to land there, guys like Hardy or D. Thomas.

I think we'd be foolish to give Berrian a deal where he's making close to $8M/year (source says he wants to make around $24M in THE FIRST THREE YEARS.)

If anything, it should be an incentive based deal, depending on how well he plays. He's no sure thing and not worth that kind of money.

[jackacid]

You all are forgetting that none of the players you mentioned have played for the Ravens so we aren't interested.

:falldownlaugh:

[Roadhg67]

If we sign Justin Smith, I think we go WR with the 29th pick. I think there are a handful of real decent prospects to land there, guys like Hardy or D. Thomas.

I think we'd be foolish to give Berrian a deal where he's making close to $8M/year (source says he wants to make around $24M in THE FIRST THREE YEARS.)

If anything, it should be an incentive based deal, depending on how well he plays. He's no sure thing and not worth that kind of money.

I'd prefer either OT, OLB, DE, or NT with our first pick, and then WR with either the second or third round pick. Our WRs will look better with a better OC, better OL, and improved QB play.

[jackacid]

I'd prefer either OT, OLB, DE, or NT with our first pick, and then WR with either the second or third round pick. Our WRs will look better with a better OC, better OL, and improved QB play.

Well he have two picks pretty close together (29th and 39th), so I'm almost more intrigued by who's there at 39 than 29. I think if we go OL at 29, we go WR at 39 or vice versa.

Draft is pretty hard to speculate before FA, since FA will dictate our draft needs.

[49ermanic1]

Wow, he sucks and he wants big money hell no. Id rather just suck on offense for the next 10 years.

[UCBLaxPlayer]

f- berrian. what the hell has he done to deserve a 8 million+ per year salary

[Roadhg67]

Well he have two picks pretty close together (29th and 39th), so I'm almost more intrigued by who's there at 39 than 29. I think if we go OL at 29, we go WR at 39 or vice versa.

Draft is pretty hard to speculate before FA, since FA will dictate our draft needs.

Regardless, it seems like we're picking a great value area in this draft. I would be okay with a WR at 39. I would just like to see us address the RT or NT position with 29 (unless Groves is there, then grab him!)

[Gof the Gij]

That's pretty ambitious for him. He hasn't even produced a 1,000 yard season yet. If I were a team, I'd be looking to give him a contract with a decent base salary but pretty big incentives.

[u2slimshady]

Well if Berrian were to get 5 years with $25 mill and $12 in guaranteed bonus money..I would compare it in this way to make it seem appropriate:

Ashley Lelie got a 2 year $4.3 million with $2 million bonus. lets take a look at the break down: Lelie got $3.2 million for the past season and he had 10 catches. That means the 49ers are willing to pay $320,000 per catch.

Bernard Berrian caught 71 passes last season for the Bears..so if we were to pay him $320,000 per catch just for next season he would be worth $22,720,000. I'm sure it looks like a bargain now.

Sign him up! Sign him up!

[49ermanic1]

Berrian is worth about as much as David Carr's ability to throw the ball without being sacked.

[jackacid]

Well if Berrian were to get 5 years with $25 mill and $12 in guaranteed bonus money..I would compare it in this way to make it seem appropriate:

Ashley Lelie got a 2 year $4.3 million with $2 million bonus. lets take a look at the break down: Lelie got $3.2 million for the past season and he had 10 catches. That means the 49ers are willing to pay $320,000 per catch.

Bernard Berrian caught 71 passes last season for the Bears..so if we were to pay him $320,000 per catch just for next season he would be worth $22,720,000. I'm sure it looks like a bargain now.

Sign him up! Sign him up!

It's not Lelie's fault that Nolan forgot he was on the team. I'm not a big Lelie fan, but at the same time, comparing a situational WR with virtually no playing time to a (treated as) #1 WR is a bit unfair.

[psychoj1016]

signing berrian= s.hitty wr and taking loads of money away from our def FA which we need

[jackacid]

signing berrian= s.hitty wr and taking loads of money away from our def FA which we need

I wouldn't call Berrian ****ty, but he's not worth the alleged asking price either.

[Saint_Sebastian]

I think we should just keep the receiving core we have, use the draft to find aquire another one, and hope that Martz can work his magic

[jackacid]

I think we should just keep the receiving core we have, use the draft to find aquire another one, and hope that Martz can work his magic

I would be totally fine with this too, assuming we take a WR at 29 or 39. I hardly see Berrian as the long term answer for all our WR woes.

Hell, for all we know, D-Jax will have a good productive year as we had originally hoped.

[u2slimshady]

I think he's worth $5 mill a season easily. The 49ers need a speedy WR for Martz to play with..I'd be happy with trading for Shaun McDonald as long as we sign Lance Briggs and a solid DE to fill the void left with the retirement of B.Y and likely departure of M. Douglas. Draft a OT in the 1st round and anything in addition to that is gravy..

Oh yea..Cut Jonas Jennings

Thanks McNolan

[purefx]

Well if Berrian were to get 5 years with $25 mill and $12 in guaranteed bonus money..I would compare it in this way to make it seem appropriate:

Ashley Lelie got a 2 year $4.3 million with $2 million bonus. lets take a look at the break down: Lelie got $3.2 million for the past season and he had 10 catches. That means the 49ers are willing to pay $320,000 per catch.

Bernard Berrian caught 71 passes last season for the Bears..so if we were to pay him $320,000 per catch just for next season he would be worth $22,720,000. I'm sure it looks like a bargain now.

Sign him up! Sign him up!

Funny comparison but completely irrelevant.

[Gof the Gij]

Oh yea..Cut Jonas Jennings

Thanks McNolan

See, I don't understand why people keep wanting to cut Jonas Jennings. When he is healthy, he's a good player. And just because we take an OT in the first round wouldn't mean he'd necessarily produce instantly. We could at least have him play behind Jennings for a couple of weeks before Jennings does get injured.

[u2slimshady]

See, I don't understand why people keep wanting to cut Jonas Jennings. When he is healthy, he's a good player. And just because we take an OT in the first round wouldn't mean he'd necessarily produce instantly. We could at least have him play behind Jennings for a couple of weeks before Jennings does get injured.

LOL! Ok..We can keep Jennings..but he definately can not play tackle he's too slow..His $36 million dollar contract out of our system would just help me (and our starting QB) sleep at night. (however I will not have a concussion should he stay and our QB will)

If he stays move him to guard..I dont know if Larry Allen is returning..but I'd move Jennings to guard or give him his walking papers.

[u2slimshady]

Berrian wants out of Chicago badly. That's why the high salary demands. He wants to play in SF real bad, being a local guy and will sign with us for significantly less. The kid is good and with Martz will be great.

As for Isaac Bruce, #1 he's almost as old as I am, and #2, he's an ex-Lamb. 'Nuff said.

I agree, I think Berrian would jump all over the same offer if it's in SF. We could probably get him for 5 years/20 million.

[Gof the Gij]

LOL! Ok..We can keep Jennings..but he definately can not play tackle he's too slow..His $36 million dollar contract out of our system would just help me (and our starting QB) sleep at night. (however I will not have a concussion should he stay and our QB will)

If he stays move him to guard..I dont know if Larry Allen is returning..but I'd move Jennings to guard or give him his walking papers.


A move to RT would do him good, he's a good run blocker but a poor pass blocker and has slow footwork, which is less of a big deal at RT. He could work at guard too I guess.

[Tovey21]

please read this article on 49ersnews.com http://49ersnews.com/is-berrian-worth-it/

Berrian is looking for a deal that nets $24.5 million over the first three years, and bonuses worth $12 million. The Bears have offered Berrian $8 million in bonus money in a five-year, $25 million package, but apparently that isn’t enough.

Who does he think he is? Moss?....


That's number One Wr type money and Berrian is not even close to be a number One WR. God I hope we stay away from Berrian even if it means starting Jackson and Battle another year.

[u2slimshady]

A move to RT would do him good, he's a good run blocker but a poor pass blocker and has slow footwork, which is less of a big deal at RT. He could work at guard too I guess.

I think he would have to move inside..speed rushers will burn him off the edge. He is a great run blocker..but for $36 million?? wish we had that to sign..perhaps Flozell Adams.

[craig]

Remember he has never played with a good quarterback are our's better then the bears!

[NJNiner]

Im sure we'd have less problems with Antonio Bryant

[jackacid]

Berrian wants out of Chicago badly. That's why the high salary demands. He wants to play in SF real bad, being a local guy and will sign with us for significantly less. The kid is good and with Martz will be great.

As for Isaac Bruce, #1 he's almost as old as I am, and #2, he's an ex-Lamb. 'Nuff said.

Bruce is old, but still very productive. I'd rather bring him in and sign a WR at 29 than Berrian for the money he's asking for. Between Bruce, a solid draft pick and (hopefully) an improved D-Jax, we can bide our time for a true number one. This seems especially true with Martz calling plays.

[jackacid]

BTW, the Vikes are expected to push hard for Berrian too...

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/41514

[DallasNiner]

Remember he has never played with a good quarterback are our's better then the bears!

This may be true, but we don't have a good QB here either.

[purefx]

This may be true, but we don't have a good QB here either.

But he still made some really clutch plays last year... just not enough to overcome everything else. We need playmakers.

[bajan2128]

I'm sure we can get Stallworth and Johnson for the same price Berrian is asking for. He isn't worth that much **** money, I know we need a WR but I will pass if he thinks he deserve that kind of money he isn't even in the top 8 WR in th NFC

[CVNiner]

I agree, if he demands top dollar he can go sign for the fins.......he isnt a top recevier........at best hes a #2.....

[Coldrain85]

It's looking like the 49ers are in for another down year in the WR department. I think this will be something like 5 years going back to when TO left.

There is no impact WR available in free agency this season. McCloughan has indicated that the plan is to fill that position via the draft. Our best hope right now is that Jason Hill develops because any WR we get int he draft will be raw.

[jackacid]

It's looking like the 49ers are in for another down year in the WR department. I think this will be something like 5 years going back to when TO left.

There is no impact WR available in free agency this season. McCloughan has indicated that the plan is to fill that position via the draft. Our best hope right now is that Jason Hill develops because any WR we get int he draft will be raw.

Good. Berrian isn't worth his asking price. I'd rather draft a guy and pickup a productive vet like Bruce instead (YES, I think Bruce would be a good pickup...still very productive and has a year or two left in him until we can find our core guys.) I know a lot of Rams fans and they're heartbroken at the idea of losing him as he still is a productive WR.

[CSRKing15]

I wouldn't want to see us give him $12M in bonuses.

This really comes down to Martz and I can almost assure you that he'll have a large voice in deciding what WRs we bring in.

I agree

[NortyFiner]

No #2 WR is worth that much money. Then again, I don't think any single player in any sport is worth that much money, but still...

[TheWiz]

I personally don't see the problem. Berrian is by far one of the best WRs out there and the kid has more tools and more immediate impact for us than any rookie.

- He will only be 28 in December, meaning if we sign him ot a 5-year deal then he will be 30 near the end of the 3rd season. We'd be getting the prime years of his career.
- Despite lacking a good QB in CHI, the kid has improved in yardage and first downs every year over his 4 years. He also posted over 950 yards and 5 TDs last year with a lame duck in Grossman at QB and without a running game. That shows to me he's learning more each year on how to get better separation and he's making his own plays.
- He's local and all about the 49ers. Even if we do have money, I'd trust him more than Briggs who acted like we didn't exist and then kissed our rear ends about hometown discounts when we tried to trade for him with a big contract in hand.
- Fits the mold of what Martz has excelled with in terms of WRs in the past: 6'0" plus minus a bit but mostly fleet footed, agile, and on the lighter built side, 180-193 lbs.

Rookies? There is almost no correlation between WR talent and NFL success. For each 1st round golden boy there are 2 duds. The fact remains that in the NCAA, players can dominate with speed and some natural jukes and mind games over CBs with no NFL level talent. But in the NFL, most CBs and DBs are better than anyone they played. Precision route running, more complex route packages and everything down to his eyes and hands while running routes are sometimes too much. Plenty of players show up with athleticism but never turn into pro WRs worth a darn. That's why you also see guys like Colston come out of nowhere because he transitioned very fast to the pro level attack despite few traditional scouting points. There is no way to perfectly predict this.

Given Martz's non-traditional offense, the transition to the pro level, who is to say we can get anyone who will make an impact this year? I'd personally rather grab a guy like Berrian who can definitely start and grab someone in the draft later on who can be a slot/KR/PR type of player. Someone we won't need to rely on as much.

[49ersforlife5x]

I'm all for Berrian, not at that price necessarily. I think going with a free agent receiver makes way more sense than drafting one.
There I go again on my "don't draft a WR" rant

[BAKNAFEK88]

Man, Berrian wants some big time money. I would never pay him $8mill a year. I really do hope he wants to come home bad enough to go for the discount. If not, I really think Bryant Johnson is the guy for us. I kinda think he should be who we go after regardless. He is ready to break out from the shadow of L Fitz and Bolden. I know he doesn't have much starting experience, but when he was called on to start, he balled out. Let's draft Devin Thomas or Earley Ducet or Eddie Royal. If he turns out to be the Steve Smith clone that they say he is, it will be on for us. Also, let's not forget about Donnie Avery or Lavell Hawkins.

[cajunken]

we should pass on this guy!

[dbro0880]

I would much rather pay Berrian 8 mil a year than pay Justin Smith 8 mi a year...why would you pay Justin Smith 8 mil a year to play a position he has never played before but your not willing to pay a legitimate deep threat 8 mil a year who has the potential in a Martz offense to be a number one receiver...im not saying sign Berrian for 8 mil a year but i would do it before giving Justin Smith 8 mil for something hes never done before


BERRIAN>>>>>>>J.SMITH

[BAKNAFEK88]

Who says we have to pay either of them that much? I say we don't sign either of them. Sign Bryant Johnson, Calvin Pace, Erick Strickland