Manningham improves 40 time

[49ermanic1]

Michigan WR Mario Manningham improved his forty time at his Pro Day to 4.44 and 4.38.
This is encouraging. Manningham officially ran a 4.59 at the NFL Combine. At his Pro Day, he also jumped 35" vertically and had a 4.38 short shuttle time. He still has an outside chance to be a late first-round pick.

Rotoworld

he could be a good 2nd round find with that 40 time.

[MR. WEBBER]

doesnt go over the middle and has a bad attitude and workout ethic.would rather have avery,douglas,or dexter jackson in the later rounds.i like oline and dline with the first 2 picks

[candlestick9er]

i was waiting for someone to post this. i wonder if he will be available at 39?

mcshay said on espn this am that his pro day should push him into the late first, even said that his excellent route running would make him an ideal fit for martz. either way he should definitely be a part of the desean jackson/hardy/devin thomas talk now.

[49ersforlife5x]

Definitely not worth a 2nd round pick. Over-rated trouble maker.

[bakersfield49er]

I want him as ive been saying, 49erx, there is something wrong with everybody and you point out every flaw on nay player you don't want to draft.

[MR. WEBBER]

sorry but i have to agree with 5x on this one.which is very rare.read my thoughts on the guy,why would you want a player like that?

[49ersforlife5x]

I want him as ive been saying, 49erx, there is something wrong with everybody and you point out every flaw on nay player you don't want to draft.

That's not really true. Just like anybody on this board, I have dudes I like in this draft, and many I don't like. And every bit as many I'm impartial about.
And that goes for every position.
Ask me (honestly) about any position on the field, and I'll tell you who's good, who's not and who's in the middle...

[MR. WEBBER]

or who you THINK is good,bad,and in the middle :fishing:

[49ersforlife5x]

or who you THINK is good,bad,and in the middle :fishing:

Do you still have sand in your vagina about how much I hate Hardly?

[MR. WEBBER]

its your opinion.i dont care,now that we have johnson,i dont really see us taking him early.so i cant really slam you for it anymore

[SB49er4life]

I wouldn't say he's over-rated; he's a playmaker, period.

The only major concern with him is his character, as he's reputed to be a diva and have serious maturity issues.

Maturity issues in college don't necessarily mean they will follow; it's a safe bet that they WILL, but it's not like people can't ever grow up and get their act together given they are in the right environment.

I wouldn't be all too upset if we drafted Manningham; I thought he was just as big of a play-maker as Braylon Edwards, and would be an instant threat on teh field for us.

[ninersgold]

Mario Manningham...
:nonono: I don't know man, I'm not sure.

[Nelson]

Good for hem that he's improved his stats a little might earn himself a bit more money. I still dont want him though. Theres a good 9 or 10 recievers i'd take before him.

[WiltonDeportes]

Good for hem that he's improved his stats a little might earn himself a bit more money. I still dont want him though. Theres a good 9 or 10 recievers i'd take before him.

thats what i was thinking

[yayareawarrior]

=brandon lloyd

[SBbound49ers]

Manningham = Chad Johnson

Inconsistent deep threat who'll either light up the opponent or look like a doofus.

[SB49er4life]

Manningham = Chad Johnson

Inconsistent deep threat who'll either light up the opponent or look like a doofus.

...but in the end make your team a high-octane offense just by being on the field.

And Chad Johnson is pretty **** consistent; if he's not making plays, it's because he's not getting the rock thrown his way.

There's very little weakness to Chad Johnson's game, and is as talented as any WR in the game, IMO.

[SBbound49ers]

...but in the end make your team a high-octane offense just by being on the field.

And Chad Johnson is pretty **** consistent; if he's not making plays, it's because he's not getting the rock thrown his way.

There's very little weakness to Chad Johnson's game, and is as talented as any WR in the game, IMO.

Chad's head is not always in the game and it shows sometimes on the field. Great player and top 10 Wr no doubt but he'll sometimes leave you scratching your head thinking wtf?!

[SB49er4life]

And maybe that's from not being open? :thud:

Manningham will not be a good NFL WR, Ace Matherton thinks so too and he's even a Michigan fan.

Chad Johnson can get separation as good as any WR in the league. He's not wide open on every single play like he claims he is, but no 1 CB in the NFL is gonna lock him up for an entire game.

Well, we'll see; you can never guarantee that a player will or won't be good. Hell, I'm a huge USC fan, I think certain players that did well their could flop.

Manningham has been making big plays every since he stepped on the scene, and he's been doing it routinely. Not saying he's a lock to be a Chad Johnson type player by any means, but I don't think it's all that far fetched to see him become a **** good WR in the NFL.

[SB49er4life]

Chad's head is not always in the game and it shows sometimes on the field. Great player and top 10 Wr no doubt but he'll sometimes leave you scratching your head thinking wtf?!

I think he more than makes up for it with the rest of his play.

I would trade Bryant Johnson, Arnaz Battle and Ashley Lelie all right now for a player of Chad Johnson's caliber.

It's unfair to blame all the teams problems' and breakdowns on the 1 guy when the entire teams' got problems.

[SBbound49ers]

I think he more than makes up for it with the rest of his play.

I would trade Bryant Johnson, Arnaz Battle and Ashley Lelie all right now for a player of Chad Johnson's caliber.

It's unfair to blame all the teams problems' and breakdowns on the 1 guy when the entire teams' got problems.

I'd love to have the guy on the Niners. Im knocking him but rather showing the similarities him and Manningham have.

Im by no means saying Manningham will become as good as CJ but hes got the same skillset/mentality.

[SB49er4life]

He played in the slow 10... not hard to get seperation.

You make it seem as if the Big 10 is come kinda chump conference in football; I get where you're coming from, the reason I don't like that kinda logic is because you can use that and say something similar about 75% of all prospects based on some kinda perceived weakness within the conference they play in.

I guess your just not fast unless you play in the SEC...

I don't think it's completely fair to discredit a guy altogether when he's out there making plays and making it look easy; it's not like he chooses the competition.

[SB49er4life]

I'd love to have the guy on the Niners. Im knocking him but rather showing the similarities him and Manningham have.

Im by no means saying Manningham will become as good as CJ but hes got the same skillset/mentality.

Oh, I know what you mean, don't trip...

...I'm just saying that if Mario Manningham is even close to as good as Chad Johnson, I would love to have him.

I think we all get caught up too many times expecting absolute PERFECTION out of players.

Hey, sometimes players NEED that mentality in this profession; **** 40 time, speed, who you've gone against, at the end of the day, you need the NERVE to be able to come through and make plays.

You gotta THINK that you're superior to everyone else on the field before you actually can be, ya know what I'm sayin ?

[Goreandcrew]

Mario Manningham? Dude is a headcase. I remember him jawing with Chad Henne after he overthrew him and if Alex smith does that during the season you better believe Manningam wont be quiet about it. Think Bryant, but a little worse.

[MR. WEBBER]

doesnt like to go over the middle either,would rather stay our of the center of the field to avoid being hit.

[Hobbes2d]

He has poor hands, no thanks. The only guy who I saw drop more easy passes this year was Jaison Williams of Oregon.

[nikkayeah]

i'd rather pass on stone hands mario

[roleplay3r1]

The only guy who I saw drop more easy passes this year was Jaison Williams of Oregon.

Don't remind me....

[dbro0880]

He has poor hands, no thanks. The only guy who I saw drop more easy passes this year was Jaison Williams of Oregon.

Devin Thomas dropped more...yea Mario didnt have a great game against Ohio State...but he played well in all the other big games this year...(Wisconsin, App St, Mich St, and Florida) he is a clutch player and makes big plays...

However i will say this...hes not the toughest guy around and has had some off the field issues...however hes no Antonio Bryant or TO...

If we took him in the second i wouldnt be mad but i would rather have others...however if he somehow slips to the third round and we havent taken a receiver we better jump all over that

[Ace Matherton]

Rotoworld

he could be a good 2nd round find with that 40 time.

He's not worthy of anything higher than a late thrid and that only becuase he has a devestating double move. However he has no other NFL ready attributes and will be a 3 year project if he's to be a solid NFL WR.

[Hobbes2d]

Devin Thomas dropped more...yea Mario didnt have a great game against Ohio State...but he played well in all the other big games this year...(Wisconsin, App St, Mich St, and Florida) he is a clutch player and makes big plays...

However i will say this...hes not the toughest guy around and has had some off the field issues...however hes no Antonio Bryant or TO...

If we took him in the second i wouldnt be mad but i would rather have others...however if he somehow slips to the third round and we havent taken a receiver we better jump all over that

I wouldn't want him. Even if it was the 4th round. Guy is a total headcase and I never was really impressed by any of his good games. I'd much rather have Adrian Arrington.

[SB49er4life]

You know what, I'm not necessarily saying I want us to draft him, but I had this weird intuition today that Mario Manningham will be in a 49ers uniform by next year.

[Hobbes2d]

Sure as heck hope not and if we do he better be the 2nd coming of Torry Holt or something.

[SB49er4life]

Sure as heck hope not and if we do he better be the 2nd coming of Torry Holt or something.

You know, "character concerns" has got to be the trickiest thing to evaluate when you only see and hear about certain instances and don't know a guy.

I mean, there comes to a point where there are certain situations a guy with good character flat out doesn't put himself in, but drug possession, DUI and being involved in a fight or two doesn't necessarily mean a guy is a bad guy.

Sometimes good guys don't make great decisions or get put into situations that are hard to speak on unless you know ALL the details. And sometimes we the fans and media blow things outta proportion completely.

Manningham is a PLAYMAKER, and wants the ball and is at his best when it counts; those are 2 extremely difficult traits to find in a WR, and it is why there are so few elite Randy Moss/Chad Johnson/TO players in the league.

I can see him being a **** good WR in the NFL; I just hope that if we take him, our staff really does their homework on his character and what type of dude he is; if it's hype, or if he truly is an *******.

[Hobbes2d]

You know, "character concerns" has got to be the trickiest thing to evaluate when you only see and hear about certain instances and don't know a guy.

I mean, there comes to a point where there are certain situations a guy with good character flat out doesn't put himself in, but drug possession, DUI and being involved in a fight or two doesn't necessarily mean a guy is a bad guy.

Sometimes good guys don't make great decisions or get put into situations that are hard to speak on unless you know ALL the details. And sometimes we the fans and media blow things outta proportion completely.

Manningham is a PLAYMAKER, and wants the ball and is at his best when it counts; those are 2 extremely difficult traits to find in a WR, and it is why there are so few elite Randy Moss/Chad Johnson/TO players in the league.

I can see him being a **** good WR in the NFL; I just hope that if we take him, our staff really does their homework on his character and what type of dude he is; if it's hype, or if he truly is an *******.

I don't care. I don't want some GOOD guy who makes stupid decisions all the time. I have friends who are GOOD people but they do stupid **** all the ****ing time and if I was building an organization or a team etc and relying on them to be very productive WHILE paying them tons of money, there is NO ****ING WAY I would hire them. Despite the fact that they are good people and they are my friends. That is just bad business. Even if that person is extremely talented, its not worth the risk.

[bakersfield49er]

SUPER MARIOOOOOOOO!
http://blog.mlive.com/state_sports/2007/11/large_mario04.jpg

[SB49er4life]

I don't care. I don't want some GOOD guy who makes stupid decisions all the time. I have friends who are GOOD people but they do stupid **** all the ****ing time and if I was building an organization or a team etc and relying on them to be very productive WHILE paying them tons of money, there is NO ****ING WAY I would hire them. Despite the fact that they are good people and they are my friends. That is just bad business. Even if that person is extremely talented, its not worth the risk.

Dude, I totally get what you're saying, but I think you're misinterpreting what I meant by it.

People change; somebody with good character will make a big mistake and LEARN from it so as not to put himself in that position again.

Hell, I have friends who have gotten DUI's and used drugs in the past who are far more responsible and respectful and who would never think to do that stuff again; I have friends who have done it and not gotten got, and realized it's time to grow up.

And then I have friends who I choose not to go places and would never help get a job because I know it's a risk to my name and rep.

For every one of these guys that is charged a DUI/possesion, there are about 10 guys who have done it at some point and simply not gotten caught for it.

Am I saying having those things on a guys record is something to look for ? Certainly not, but people make mistakes, and if we REALLY knew the truth about most these prospects, I would GUARANTEE that about 2/3 of the guys projected to go in the 1st round would drop dramatically due to them doing something they weren't supposed to do.

[Hobbes2d]

Dude, I totally get what you're saying, but I think you're misinterpreting what I meant by it.

People change; somebody with good character will make a big mistake and LEARN from it so as not to put himself in that position again.

Hell, I have friends who have gotten DUI's and used drugs in the past who are far more responsible and respectful and who would never think to do that stuff again; I have friends who have done it and not gotten got, and realized it's time to grow up.

And then I have friends who I choose not to go places and would never help get a job because I know it's a risk to my name and rep.

For every one of these guys that is charged a DUI/possesion, there are about 10 guys who have done it at some point and simply not gotten caught for it.

Am I saying having those things on a guys record is something to look for ? Certainly not, but people make mistakes, and if we REALLY knew the truth about most these prospects, I would GUARANTEE that about 2/3 of the guys projected to go in the 1st round would drop dramatically due to them doing something they weren't supposed to do.

Well considering the bust rate of 1st round picks, 2/3 of those guys probably REALLY shouldn't be going in the first round anyway. Lets face it, people succeed in sports mostly due to HARD WORK. And if you're not entirely committed to your craft and instead are out clubbing and doing stupid **** like getting DUI's and beating women or smoking weed your not exactly 100% committed to your profession.

Other then unfortunate injuries, the majority of failed draft picks are due to guys having a piss poor work ethic.

[bezupcezdown]

SUPER MARIOOOOOOOO!
http://blog.mlive.com/state_sports/2007/11/large_mario04.jpg

:banana6:

YESSS!!

Finaaly people with common sense here after the Combine I stopped posting that we should take Manningham because i knew alot of people who dont know about him would beleive he really is 4.5 speed(lol)

I dont care about that stuff because i beleive he will change and become a successful NFL receiver Ive watched him play many games and he is pretty much unstoppable on routes if he is a niner we have a great receiver

First round pick NO
Second round pick YES :ninerh:
3rd round we would be fools to let him slip past this :nonono:

[nikkayeah]

i wouldn't touch him until the 3rd. he is just another t.o with much less physical ability and stone hands

[bakersfield49er]

Good thing your not our GM :hangloose:

[Ace Matherton]

:banana6:
I dont care about that stuff because i beleive he will change and become a successful NFL receiver Ive watched him play many games and he is pretty much unstoppable on routes if he is a niner we have a great receiver



He has 1 move and if you really think he is unstopable you have not actually watched many of the games sans highlights. The guy has 1 move, cant concentrate on a catch for the life of him and like B Lloyd routinely makes the catch more difficult than it is....i can only assume for a better highlight.

He is the postor child for sitting on the bench a couple of years while he grows up, mentally and physically.

[nikkayeah]

what routes can manningham run other than go routes and sideline routes? he is soft and can't make catches over the middle, which is an important aspect of mike martz' offense. he hears footsteps and drops the ball 75% of the time. his run blocking is horrendous as well. i've seen him whiff on blocks that led to a numerous amount of TFLs.

[bakersfield49er]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z22PFO55Tfs&feature=related


SUPER MARIO

[dhimiter]

No NO nOO NO no do not want him on my team.

He is a prime example of College talent not transitioning over to the NFL, he will never be a quality reciever, we don't need another #3 reciever we already have 4, we need a #1 reciever and he is not it, there is atleast 10-15 recievers better than him, maybe take a chance in the 3rd but still, Douglas, Avery, Dexter Jackson all better because they do more things.

[nikkayeah]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z22PFO55Tfs&feature=related


SUPER MARIO

brandon lloyd makes spectacular catches too. but i think brandon lloyd is a little more mature than manningham

[Hobbes2d]

brandon lloyd makes spectacular catches too. but i think brandon lloyd is a little more mature than manningham

Both are about 8 years old. And both suck.

[bakersfield49er]

Yall would run this team into the ground if you had any power. What's immature about him? Doing the worm on the field maybe? I call that a celebration and maybe we could direct it more towards the endzone.
He can't be as bad as T.O or 85 and he produces so while you take another shot at someones character you don't know ENJOY THIS CLIP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDfqxk_3BHU&feature=related

[SB49er4life]

brandon lloyd makes spectacular catches too. but i think brandon lloyd is a little more mature than manningham

Brandon Lloyd is not a "playmaker"; he just made an unnecessarily acrobatic catch once every 3 or 4 games. He was never that fast or that great of a route runner.

[nikkayeah]

so you think manningham is a great route runner? what routes can he run?

[dhimiter]

so you think manningham is a great route runner? what routes can he run?

the go route, better than the pope too!

[dhimiter]

Yall would run this team into the ground if you had any power. What's immature about him? Doing the worm on the field maybe? I call that a celebration and maybe we could direct it more towards the endzone.
He can't be as bad as T.O or 85 and he produces so while you take another shot at someones character you don't know ENJOY THIS CLIP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDfqxk_3BHU&feature=related

Are you kidding me, what was that about!!!!!!!

[bakersfield49er]

The worm? Idk I guess he was happy. My comment? I don't like when people act like they know the kid personally, we have no idea what he's like.

[nikkayeah]

he throws hissy fits on the sideline when the qb doesn't get him the ball. is that the kind of player you would want on your team?

[MR. WEBBER]

reminds me of a certain wr we had a few years back.what was his name...............

[bakersfield49er]

I can't believe you'd ask me a question like that!
























































































































FSCK YES

[MR. WEBBER]

he was talking about his attitude.not his playing ability

[nikkayeah]

except he has half the talent and hands like darrell dropson

[bakersfield49er]

I can't believe you'd ask me a question like that!


















































































































FSCK YES

Sames goes to you Webber.

[MR. WEBBER]

someone has issues

[bakersfield49er]

Yeah, Thats what i thought the 1st time nikkayeah posted too, glad to see we're on the same page.

[MR. WEBBER]

whatever makes you feel better

[bakersfield49er]

whatever makes you feel better

Even drafting Manningham?

[MR. WEBBER]

you might be the only person happy with us drafting manningham.i personally cant stand him and i hope the niners have nothing to do with him.

[pogoowner]

I'd definitely take Manningham in the 3rd round. That's too much talent to pass up at that point.

[MR. WEBBER]

in the 3rd yes.but i wouldnt waste a first or second,there is just no way he drops that far

[nikkayeah]

manningham is all hype. he is not going to be able to make catches over the middle because he's soft and loses all his focus when he hears footsteps. he rounds out his routes and does not have much experience running short and intermediate routes. watching him play extensively, its pretty obvious his skillset does not translate well to the next level. even in his highlights, all of his catches were deep, and there is no way he is going to be able to do that on every play in the nfl

[MR. WEBBER]

he doesnt go over the middle to even get thrown to

[bakersfield49er]

That's his fault? I'd put that on the guy calling the plays. I've heard he shys away from contact, so does Wes Welker if he sees a guy coming at him he just ducks right to the floor that being said I think Manningham can be more effective & dynamic then welker will ever be with reverses, bubble screens, and the deep threat. Manningham is RARELY tackled by the 1st defender he meets so if you haven't watched him much youtube him.

[nikkayeah]

w/e desean jackson>manningham

[bakersfield49er]

pothead.

[nikkayeah]

what traits do u think manningham has that would make him anything more than a decent player in the nfl?

[bakersfield49er]

Bruce is probably done after these 2 years, Manningham has lightning speed 4.38 40 to DeSean's 4.35 with a smaller frame. Manningham is a deep threat and a threat with the ball in his hands because hes never tackled by the 1st defender. He can be a #1. His character issues will pan out as he matures, T.O had character issues and now he cries because someone insulted "his" QB.


Anyone who wouldn't grab him if he were there in the 2nd, I'm glad your not our GM and there is a better suited team for you in the ARIZONA CARDINALS.

http://www.azcardinals.com/home.php

Just click it your one step closers to being happy with a team that suits your intelligience. Look I even made it real big for you.

[SB49er4life]

what traits do u think manningham has that would make him anything more than a decent player in the nfl?

He sets up his defenders excellently to get shook in his route running, and has the BALLS to make big plays at big moments.

Football is about NERVE as much as it size, speed and skills; all that don't mean **** if you freeze up in big moments and puss out when things get heated.

And the man can flat out get behind a defense; he's got burners, whatever his 40 time does or doesn't say.

[nikkayeah]

i would much rather get a RT and a pass rusher with our first two picks and Hawkins or Bennett could be had in the 3rd.
1. Gosder Cherilus
2. Cliff Avril
3. Lavelle Hawkins
4. Atybha Rubin
5. Antwaun Molden
6. Marcus Dixon
7. Vince Hall
that would be an ideal draft, imo

[ninerlicious]

i would much rather get a RT and a pass rusher with our first two picks and Hawkins or Bennett could be had in the 3rd.
1. Gosder Cherilus
2. Cliff Avril
3. Lavelle Hawkins
4. Atybha Rubin
5. Antwaun Molden
6. Marcus Dixon
7. Vince Hall
that would be an ideal draft, imo

not sure exactly how likely it is, but i like it! doesn't seem too far fetched, although hall will be gone by the 7th no doubt.

[nikkayeah]

not sure exactly how likely it is, but i like it! doesn't seem too far fetched, although hall will be gone by the 7th no doubt.

i made a thread in the mock draft section haha. but vince hall could very well be there in the 7th. he ran a 5.0 40 and he's fairly undersized

[ninerlicious]

i made a thread in the mock draft section haha. but vince hall could very well be there in the 7th. he ran a 5.0 40 and he's fairly undersized

i just responded there too :laugh:

[MR. WEBBER]

manningham has no balls what so ever.it takes real balls to go over the middle and not alligator arm a pass.its not the playcalling,its him not wanting to get hit.he only likes playing on the outside so he can avoid hits.doesnt seem like he has a lot of nerves.and to say he doesnt go down on the first hit is a joke.just because you watched some HIGHLIGHTS on youtube doesnt mean on every other play he didnt go down fast.watch some real game tape before you post something about youtube.and bubble screens dont work out as well in the pros as they do in college.nfl defenders take better angles,and tackle a hell of a lot better the college players do

[MR. WEBBER]

the one thing everyone should remember though,is it was against college corners,alot of them will not be in the nfl.nfl defenders are alot smarter and better at not letting someone get behind them

[SB49er4life]

the one thing everyone should remember though,is it was against college corners,alot of them will not be in the nfl.nfl defenders are alot smarter and better at not letting someone get behind them

Yes, actually it was against DI-A college defenders, and he's been doing it for years. You act like NFL DB's never get beat deep.

You don't have to like him as a pro prospect, but I think players are discredited WAY too much based on who they play against; you don't choose who defends you, you just go out and make the plays you're asked to.

The reason why I don't like that logic is that it can be applied to basically ANY player that doesn't play in the SEC.

[SB49er4life]

you can say that about any player. why not say player X got sacks against college players, no way an NFL tackle gives up that sack.

you can knock Manningham for alot of things, but you can't knock him as a deep threat. few guys have the understanding to get behind a CB on a consistent basis especially when the Cb knows its basically all you like to do and you can still do it to him. tell the Lee Evans, Chad Johnsons, and Randy Moss's of the world that you can't get vertical on NFL CB's consistently.

LoL, **** knobs, you basically wrote the same post while I was making my previous one.

"Shaking" your man is not nearly about pure timed footspeed as much as people think; it's mental, as much as anything.

You gotta be able to set up and SELL the fake, move in a way that makes your opponent THINK you're definitely going one way, then go another.

It's the same reason why a 4.7 Anquan Boldin can get open basically whenever he wants, and a 4.3 Bryan Gilmore can't beat ****.

[SBbound49ers]

Talk about boom or bust.....Manningham is one of the most intruiging prospects in this draft.

If hes there in the 3rd and we havent added a WR, I'd be all for taking him. We really dont have a deep threat right now.

[SB49er4life]

Talk about boom or bust.....Manningham is one of the most intruiging prospects in this draft.

If hes there in the 3rd and we havent added a WR, I'd be all for taking him. We really dont have a deep threat right now.

Ya, agree on boom or bust prospect.

He WON'T be there in the 3rd; take it with a grain of salt, but PFW (Pro Football Weekly) has him as the #1 rated WR in the entire draft, and they base their rankings on feedback NFL scouts and team insiders.

He has the skill set to be a prime time player in the NFL, and the moxy to do it; he's been bad *** ever since he stepped on the scene at Michigan.

I could care less about him not going over the middle; we have Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker, Arnaz Battle and Bryant Johnson; we need a guy who is a threat to make a big play DOWNFIELD every time he steps on the grid iron.

Hell, most WR's in the NFL won't go over the middle anyways.

[SBbound49ers]

Havent seen his rankings in a while but Mayock had him as the #1 WR as well.

[SBbound49ers]

In the 3rd Im thinking either Manningham, Caldwell or Avery. Or, wait until the 4th or 5th and take Will Franklin or Keenan Burton.

[MR. WEBBER]

isnt that what we said about lelie?why would we want another one trick pony?i just dont like the guy,i think he brings nothing to the nfl.but thats just me.

[bakersfield49er]

He will probably be gone before our 2nd pick...Most mocks had him mid 1st round before the combine and now he obliterated his numbers from the combine, I hope hes there for us in the 2nd.

[SBbound49ers]

My guess is mid to late 2nd round, someone like the Titans.

[MR. WEBBER]

hoping anyone but the niners

[RandG Bleeder]

We need size at the WR position. Not another 5'10 guy. Not sure if anyone has noticed but our WR go down on first contact almost every time. No tackle breakers in the bunch.

[Gof the Gij]

We need size at the WR position. Not another 5'10 guy. Not sure if anyone has noticed but our WR go down on first contact almost every time. No tackle breakers in the bunch.

Bryant Johnson - 6'3
Ashley Lelie - 6'3
Jason Hill - 6'1
Arnaz Battle - 6'1
Isaac Bruce - 6'0

I fail to see where these 5'10 guys you speak of are.

[nikkayeah]

We need size at the WR position. Not another 5'10 guy. Not sure if anyone has noticed but our WR go down on first contact almost every time. No tackle breakers in the bunch.

arnaz battle can definitely break tackles i don't know if you have watched him play before

[majesstik1]

We need size at the WR position. Not another 5'10 guy. Not sure if anyone has noticed but our WR go down on first contact almost every time. No tackle breakers in the bunch.

:laugh:

Actually, we need a smaller and shiftier guy to add to our group.

[bakersfield49er]

Super Mario is 5'11 and 178 I think and hes good problem solved. Now only if I could talk McCloughlan into this!

[majesstik1]

Super Mario is 5'11 and 178 I think and hes good problem solved. Now only if I could talk McCloughlan into this!

no.

[bakersfield49er]

uhm YES

[SB49er4life]

arnaz battle can definitely break tackles i don't know if you have watched him play before

I could count the plays Arnaz Battle got respectable YAC this year on my mind.

Just because he is the best out of our own pathetic group of WR's in breaking tackles doesn't mean he's anything special at it.

[bakersfield49er]

I think BJ is our best now and Bruce is old and yes this leads to me saying Manningham

[nikkayeah]

desean jackson is much more polished than manningham

[majesstik1]

desean jackson is much more polished than manningham

It would be amazing if DJ slid all the way to 29 though.

Manningham is nothing special, and I hope we don't waste a pick on him.

[Gof the Gij]

Super Mario is 5'11 and 178 I think and hes good problem solved. Now only if I could talk McCloughlan into this!

Manningham isn't exactly shifty.

[bakersfield49er]

Your crazy have you ever watched UM game? The dude is never tackled by 1st defender and always ends up behind defenses

[Gof the Gij]

Your crazy have you ever watched UM game? The dude is never tackled by 1st defender and always ends up behind defenses

He's quick and he's fast but he goes down easy.

[bakersfield49er]

He a reciever not a bruising runningback, all I expect from a WR is to catch the ball when thrown to and turn small plays into big plays , if he can truck everyone down the field thats a +

[SB49er4life]

He's quick and he's fast but he goes down easy.

So do Marvin Harrison, Randy Moss, Torry Holt, Isaac Bruce, Chad Johnson, Santana Moss, Eric Moulds, Joe Horn, and a bunch of other WR's who have been excellent WR's for the last decade or so.

Everybody is always looking for the "perfect" WR that can do anything, and if it's not a Calvin Johnson, then they are flawed and can't succeed.

Just because a WR isn't physical does not mean he can't make enormous plays and be a huge difference maker to an offense.

I don't think the Patriots were worried too about Randy Moss' not being able to throw defenders to the ground on every play.

[Gof the Gij]

So do Marvin Harrison, Randy Moss, Torry Holt, Isaac Bruce, Chad Johnson, Santana Moss, Eric Moulds, Joe Horn, and a bunch of other WR's who have been excellent WR's for the last decade or so.

Yeah, but I wouldn't say any of them are notable YAC receivers, which is what this conversation is about.

[SB49er4life]

Yeah, but I wouldn't say any of them are notable YAC receivers, which is what this conversation is about.

How many of those guys' monster 40-80 yd plays were caught that far down the field ?

It's not about the Yards after CONTACT, it's about Yards after CATCH when you're discussing the value of a WR to an offense.

If any of those guys have a step on you, they are GONE. Whether they had to break a tackle, elude a defender or just out-run you are all one and the same when he's 50 yds down the field in the End Zone.

There's other ways to make big plays after the catch besides just breaking tackles, and a yard is a yard regardless of how it's earned.

[Gof the Gij]

How many of those guys' monster 40-80 yd plays were caught that far down the field ?

It's not about the Yards after CONTACT, it's about Yards after CATCH when you're discussing the value of a WR to an offense.

If any of those guys have a step on you, they are GONE. Whether they had to break a tackle, elude a defender or just out-run you are all one and the same when he's 50 yds down the field in the End Zone.

There's other ways to make big plays after the catch besides just breaking tackles, and a yard is a yard regardless of how it's earned.

That's precisely the problem with Manningham though. He doesn't really elude anyone in a 1-on-1 situation like people you mentioned can. Just looking at your list, guys like Santana Moss, Marvin Harrison, Joe Horn, and Torry Holt can freeze a defender with a double move and take off. Mario Manningham is great with the ball in his hands when he has people blocking for him thanks to his acceleration and quickness - however, put him up against even a single defender without blocking and he'll get tackled 99 times out of 100.

[SB49er4life]

That's precisely the problem with Manningham though. He doesn't really elude anyone in a 1-on-1 situation like people you mentioned can. Just looking at your list, guys like Santana Moss, Marvin Harrison, Joe Horn, and Torry Holt can freeze a defender with a double move and take off. Mario Manningham is great with the ball in his hands when he has people blocking for him thanks to his acceleration and quickness - however, put him up against even a single defender without blocking and he'll get tackled 99 times out of 100.

Not trying to be rude, but I gotta wonder how much you've watched of him or if you are just kinda riding with what the others are saying about him who don't like him.

He rips big plays off both bubble screens and quick passes which don't work if you have a guy with poor agility. Even if you are not directly "eluding" a defender, you have to be able to change direction and go quickly, because there is not telling where block is going to be for you precisely.

I've NEVER seen a WR catch a screen and just run straight without changing direction.

And his bread and butter, absolute best thing he has going for him is his double move on more advanced routes.

Bottom line, you don't get open as much as he does with out being "elusive".

Show me a WR that is not elusive, and I'll show you a crappy route runner.

[Gof the Gij]

Not trying to be rude, but I gotta wonder how much you've watched of him or if you are just kinda riding with what the others are saying about him who don't like him.

He rips big plays off both bubble screens and quick passes which don't work if you have a guy with poor agility. Even if you are not directly "eluding" a defender, you have to be able to change direction and go quickly, because there is not telling where block is going to be for you precisely.

I've NEVER seen a WR catch a screen and just run straight without changing direction.

And his bread and butter, absolute best thing he has going for him is his double move on more advanced routes.

Bottom line, you don't get open as much as he does with out being "elusive".

Show me a WR that is not elusive, and I'll show you a crappy route runner.

We're talking about different things right now. I'm not questioning his agility or actual ability to change directions...his agility lets him keep guys between him and the defender, but once a guy gets a good angle, it seems like he never gets away. Compared to someone like Santana Moss, who can routinely get into a one-on-one faceoff with a defender and simply juke them out of their shoes. I guess what I'm saying is he's got good Emmitt Smith-type elusiveness, but no Barry Sanders elusiveness.

Granted, I haven't watched a lot of Michigan games this year, but of what I've seen, that's been my analysis of his elusiveness ability. I've never really been all too impressed by what I've seen of him.

[SB49er4life]

We're talking about different things right now. I'm not questioning his agility or actual ability to change directions...his agility lets him keep guys between him and the defender, but once a guy gets a good angle, it seems like he never gets away. Compared to someone like Santana Moss, who can routinely get into a one-on-one faceoff with a defender and simply juke them out of their shoes. I guess what I'm saying is he's got good Emmitt Smith-type elusiveness, but no Barry Sanders elusiveness.

Granted, I haven't watched a lot of Michigan games this year, but of what I've seen, that's been my analysis of his elusiveness ability. I've never really been all too impressed by what I've seen of him.

LoL... I get what you're saying bro; you don't think he has cream-of-the-crop agility/elusiveness. Which I agree whole heartedly.

But you don't have to be Steve Smith or Santana Moss to make defenders miss in the NFL; guys like that set the bar.

We're just talkin' about being able to get the job done, and he's got enough change of direction ability to do it.

*Also, the "way" a player throughs his shakes can cause the perception of better/worse agility; some guys are more subtle and fluid with their change of direction ability, so it may not look they are cutting as hard.

Efficiency of Movement also plays a huge role in it; a guy who changes directions 4-5 times in a short area is gonna look a lot "quicker" than the player who makes 1 well placed, well executed cut and goes, but if it's the same result, what does it matter ?

[NY2ThaBay08]

i wouldnt mind gettin him in the 2nd after groves or a tackle

[MR. WEBBER]

there will be better wr's in the second round to pick up instead of manningham