Matt Barrow's 1st and 2nd Round Predictions

[TheWileyVet]

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/49ers/

From his March 16 blog and Q&A:


Question: How far (2nd, 3rd, 4th round?) do you think Carl Nicks' stock will drop after his recent troubles? With him looking to drop, do you think the Niners are still keeping an eye on him to pick him up in a later round like Tarell Brown last year? Or is this a big enough issue that will cause McCloughan to stay away from?
Ryan, La Miranda

Answer: So bummed about Carl. It very well could be that the new Nebraska coach was trying to send a message to the Cornhuskers by making an example out of Nicks. Whatever the case, the 49ers will do their due diligence on him and if they conclude that it wasn't a big deal, I don't think Nicks will drop far. Maybe I'll just transpose my predictions: Trevor Laws in the first round, Carl Nicks in the second.
- Matt



What do you guys think?

[Wisco N9ner]

From his March 16 blog and Q&A:






What do you guys think?

I guess it would fill a need, but Laws in the 1st? I know our 1st is basically an early 2nd, but I think we could get Laws with our 2nd if we wanted him that bad.

[SB49er4life]

I think that would be a horrible 1st two rounds of the draft for us.

Picking Laws at #29 would be an incredible reach; ****, if we took him in the 2nd round I think it would be a reach. He's good, but nothing that wild about him.

And Carl Nicks in the 2nd would be a reach as well, with all his character concerns; and I'd much rather have Sam Baker, who is far and away the most reliable pass protector in this draft.

Our #1 goal in drafting for OL should be to protect the passer, because that was our biggest problem last year.

[offtackle24]

Sims in the first and Otah in the second....... :pray:

[Gof the Gij]

I would probably puke if that was our draft.

[DavidSt.Hubbins]

Sims in the first and Otah in the second....... :pray:


Isn't Otha prjected as a top 15 pick by most? he's supposed to be the 2nd best tackle in the draft.

[Gof the Gij]

Isn't Otha prjected as a top 15 pick by most? he's supposed to be the 2nd best tackle in the draft.

Most people I've seen rank him as fourth, after Long, Clady, and Williams. I've seen him above Williams, but never top 2.

[SB49er4life]

OT's bust just as much as any other position drafted in the 1st round, actually; there is always a major prospect that turns out to be garbage in the NFL.

Why ? OL is more about knowing your assignments, keeping your head on a swivel, technique,leverage and TOUGHNESS than it is all those stupid measureable they base it on at the combine.

The Chargers have a Top 3 OL in the league, can somebody tell me which one of their OL got drafted 1st round ?

[Nin£R_4_LifE]

1- Groves
2 Cherilous

[jackacid]

Charles Davis (NFLN) also mentioned Laws as a possible pick for us at 29.

[TheWileyVet]

1- Groves
2 Cherilous

You think Cherilous will be there in the 2nd? That would be sweet :dootdoot:

[Nin£R_4_LifE]

Probably not. If not, Collins from KU

[TheWileyVet]

Probably not. If not, Collins from KU

I like Baker from USC as well.

[SB49er4life]

I think Laws would be a terrible pick at #29; maybe he turns out to be bad ***, but a 6'0 3-4 DE ? I don't like it.

[MR. WEBBER]

i have to agree laws with our first rounder seems like a huge reach,i actually think we could trade back our second rounder a bit and still pick him up

[nolez]

love the 2nd round pick. Trevor Laws in first??? REACH

[Goreandcrew]

If baker is available when we pick in the 2nd then I dont see why we wont take him. He's the most polished OT in the draft.

[49ersforlife5x]

I think that would be a horrible 1st two rounds of the draft for us.

Picking Laws at #29 would be an incredible reach; ****, if we took him in the 2nd round I think it would be a reach. He's good, but nothing that wild about him.

And Carl Nicks in the 2nd would be a reach as well, with all his character concerns; and I'd much rather have Sam Baker, who is far and away the most reliable pass protector in this draft.

Our #1 goal in drafting for OL should be to protect the passer, because that was our biggest problem last year.

I concur, that would not be a very effective draft. We could trade down and get both in round 3 for what it's worth.

[SoSublime]

I think Laws would be a terrible pick at #29; maybe he turns out to be bad ***, but a 6'0 3-4 DE ? I don't like it.

http://www.nfl.com/players/kellygregg/profile?id=GRE701631
that guy does alright at about the same height and weight. I wouldn't disregard a guy because he's not 6'6 330 pounds.

[Hopper15]

http://www.nfl.com/players/kellygregg/profile?id=GRE701631
that guy does alright at about the same height and weight. I wouldn't disregard a guy because he's not 6'6 330 pounds.

Gregg plays the Nose, asking Laws to play 3-4 DE would be a bad idea. He's to short.

[Pound th' Rock]

ugh puke.

[SB49er4life]

http://www.nfl.com/players/kellygregg/profile?id=GRE701631
that guy does alright at about the same height and weight. I wouldn't disregard a guy because he's not 6'6 330 pounds.

Kelley Gregg is a DT/NT; Laws would play DE for us if anything.

Am I guaranteeing that Laws will be bad ? No, he might be a good player; but I think 6' is undersized for a DE, and on top of that, I haven't seen anything really that impressive from him, other than he seems liek a solid individual and a good kid who will bust his ***.

All 3-4 DE's in the league are at least 6-3, and I haven't seen any reason to believe that he makes up for the lack of height with anything else.

Just my $.02

[MR. WEBBER]

some how he went from a 3rd round pick to a 1st round pick in a couple weeks,can someone tell me why?even after the combine he wasnt a 1st rounder,how can he move up so high without doing anything?

[Mullester]

The funniest mock I've seen so far had us taking Flacco in the first, that was great.

[jackacid]

Isn't Otha prjected as a top 15 pick by most? he's supposed to be the 2nd best tackle in the draft.

TOTALLY varies. Many people have him going before us, but I've seen other mocks where he falls to us or even high 2nd.

[jackacid]

The funniest mock I've seen so far had us taking Flacco in the first, that was great.

:falldownlaugh:

That IS rich! I was actually hoping we'd take a QB in the late rounds, some sleeper who could compete next year. But signing JTO virtually eliminates that likelihood.

[SB49er4life]

Laws could play NT, there are scouts and coaches that have him projected there.

Laws couldn't even handle the NT when Notre Dame tried to run 3-4 fronts this year, and he is especially not doing it in the pro's when he's not even breaking 300 lbs.

Size isn't EVERYTHING, but for an NFL NT, it is the deciding factor. A guy like Kelly Gregg can make up 15 lbs with great technique and leverage, but 35 lbs is just too much to over come.

[MR. WEBBER]

laws was projected a 3rd rounder after the senior bowl,and right after the combine,its only been in the last 2 weeks that he has risen to a 2nd rounder.which really doesnt make much sense to me.i see him as a late 2nd rounder

[SB49er4life]

Laws played plenty of NT for us this year, he looked far better there then at the DE spot.

I probably haven't seen him as much as you have if you are a ND fan, but undersized effort/technique players shouldn't go in the first round.

[Hobbes2d]

I probably haven't seen him as much as you have if you are a ND fan, but undersized effort/technique players shouldn't go in the first round.

If we're going to get those kinda guys it should be Day 2. I'd much rather have Derek Lokey in any case. He often outplayed guys like Rod Wright, Frank Okam, Tim Crowder etc on what has been a pretty talented Texas Dline.

[MR. WEBBER]

interesting pick hobbes,good research

[SB49er4life]

If we're going to get those kinda guys it should be Day 2. I'd much rather have Derek Lokey in any case. He often outplayed guys like Rod Wright, Frank Okam, Tim Crowder etc on what has been a pretty talented Texas Dline.

I would be very displeased if we took Laws in the 1st round. I'm not even sure I like him in the 2nd... in fact, with the talent at OL/WR/OG there... I'm NOT.

[MR. WEBBER]

laws maybe in the second,but only if we traded back in the second

[LVSolidSnake]

I'm confused is Trevor Laws height 6'1'' or 6'4''?
In this link, it says he's 6'4''.
Isn't KFFL a reliable source?

http://www.kffl.com/player/18413/nfl

[Hobbes2d]

I'm confused is Trevor Laws height 6'1'' or 6'4''?
In this link, it says he's 6'4''.
Isn't KFFL a reliable source?

http://www.kffl.com/player/18413/nfl

No it's not a reliable source. And he's like 6'1 or 6'0.

[LVSolidSnake]

I would not mind getting Laws if he could lose 40lbs and play line backer

[DavidSt.Hubbins]

Well going into this draft Im thinkg the FO will be looking at BPA. Don't be suprised if we take Kenny Phillips(falling down draft boards suddenly) with our 1st rounder. I know we need OL help, which will come almost DEFINETLY in 2rnd if we take Phillips, but in all honesty, I'd love to snag Kenny Phillips.

Other than that I'd like Cherulis in the 1st, but wasn't there just a report that he may have a torn ACL?

[pogoowner]

Well going into this draft Im thinkg the FO will be looking at BPA. Don't be suprised if we take Kenny Phillips(falling down draft boards suddenly) with our 1st rounder. I know we need OL help, which will come almost DEFINETLY in 2rnd if we take Phillips, but in all honesty, I'd love to snag Kenny Phillips.

Other than that I'd like Cherulis in the 1st, but wasn't there just a report that he may have a torn ACL?

I'd be really disappointed if we took Phillips in the first round. He's just not good enough to warrant that kind of investment, in my opinion. Since it's a weak safety class, I'm sure someone will take him fairly high, but I just don't see him as being that special.

[MR. WEBBER]

Well going into this draft Im thinkg the FO will be looking at BPA. Don't be suprised if we take Kenny Phillips(falling down draft boards suddenly) with our 1st rounder. I know we need OL help, which will come almost DEFINETLY in 2rnd if we take Phillips, but in all honesty, I'd love to snag Kenny Phillips.

Other than that I'd like Cherulis in the 1st, but wasn't there just a report that he may have a torn ACL?

it was just rumor,no one could find anything else on it.

[SB49er4life]

it was just rumor,no one could find anything else on it.

Probably just a rumor started by some team maybe hoping to lower his draft stock so he drops to them ?