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49ersforlife5x

03-20-2008, 05:58 PM

ninersgold

03-20-2008, 06:03 PM

My sources, that include the great Billy Mays, inform me the 49ers are locked on to 2 particular players in this coming draft. I have my ideas as to who, but that's not the point. Anyway, from what I'm hearing they have mixed feelings about who might be available they should take first. They seem convinced both will be available at 29, but one or the other may not be at 39...
The point is, Don't be surprised if the 9ers trade up from 39 to ensure they get whoever it is they're targeting. Since it wouldn't be that much of a trade up, they might get it for fairly cheap.

I am going to be so shocked! I had no clue that they would be willing to trade up from the second round pick!

They will always trade up as long as a player they like falls to a certain area than they will go after them.

Did you know that if Patrick Willis wasn't available than we would have selcted Dwayne Bowe? It hurts! but yet Willis being amazinh helped!
Nolan is amazing drafter, he was going to pick the most productuve WR from the draft had not the best LB in the the draft and possibly sooner than later NFL didn't fall to them.

What would have happend had we gotten Dwayne Bowe, Instead of Willis?

Trap_Star

03-20-2008, 06:05 PM

my source tells me the Texans are drafting a CB somewhere in the draft. :secret:

49ersforlife5x

03-20-2008, 06:06 PM

I think you guys are somewhat missing the point. There are 2 players above and beyond they are targeting. Not BPA's or anything like that. And recent drafts by this regime suggest they won't sit idle. I'm actually more interested to hear what some think we might give up to make sure we get those 2.

LVSolidSnake

03-20-2008, 06:06 PM

ya whatever, sure buddy, we all believe you. That is such a non-general idea in our case that no one would have thought of that. Keep up the good work. Very informative. I know you have a scouts honor with your boogie monster not to release any specifics. I can respect that. I will take it on face value

49ersforlife5x

03-20-2008, 06:07 PM

my source tells me the Texans are drafting a CB somewhere in the draft. :secret:

Is Billy Mays one of your sources too?:tung:

Trap_Star

03-20-2008, 06:07 PM

my sources tell me the Dolphins have the 1st overall pick this year!

is your source reliable? :spy:

LVSolidSnake

03-20-2008, 06:09 PM

Is Billy Mays one of your sources too?:tung:

and your other source is that guy in your avatar?

ninersgold

03-20-2008, 06:10 PM

is your source reliable? :spy:

:falldownlaugh:

I heard that the Pats may have lost their 31st pick overall from my sources, but I don't know... :unsure:

2buff4u

03-20-2008, 06:10 PM

that is Billy Mays.......

LVSolidSnake

03-20-2008, 06:13 PM

that is Billy Mays.......

oh...all i know is that he sells stuff, not important for me to know that schmucks name

2buff4u

03-20-2008, 06:16 PM

I wasn't trying to call you out i was justing saying that was his name........i don't think it is important to know his name either but it is important to know what you are talking about......

49ersforlife5x

03-20-2008, 06:23 PM

and your other source is that guy in your avatar?

That is BIlly Mays dumb-nut

Trap_Star

03-20-2008, 06:24 PM

billy mays can sell ice to an eskimo.

49ersforlife5x

03-20-2008, 06:24 PM

:falldownlaugh:

I heard that the Pats may have lost their 31st pick overall from my sources, but I don't know... :unsure:

I see you're making a joke out of this, haha pretty funny. All I'm saying is that the 9ers aren't going to sit at 39, they will trade up, but I'm not sure what it'll cost.
That's it, cut the crap.

mascott

03-20-2008, 07:30 PM

my source is telling me he is running low and has to jack up the price.

oh wait, i mean my source is telling me that a team is thinking about drafting a player on a day that ends in "y" during a month in 2008

Gof the Gij

03-20-2008, 07:41 PM

my sources tell me the Dolphins have the 1st overall pick this year!

That's bull****, my sources tell me the Browns do!

WiltonDeportes

03-20-2008, 11:39 PM

he's reliable...............but he drinks alot

i think we have the same source....

SB49er4life

03-21-2008, 12:04 AM

My sources tell you can find amazing drugs if you take a stroll down Hunters' Point.

co2112

03-21-2008, 08:37 AM

What would have happend had we gotten Dwayne Bowe, Instead of Willis?

Nolan would have kept him on the sideline we would have see him try and return kicks and play garbage time (which we didn't have). See Lelie and Hill 07 snaps for further clarification.

Texicali blue

03-21-2008, 09:11 AM

I am going to be so shocked! I had no clue that they would be willing to trade up from the second round pick!

They will always trade up as long as a player they like falls to a certain area than they will go after them.

Did you know that if Patrick Willis wasn't available than we would have selcted Dwayne Bowe? It hurts! but yet Willis being amazinh helped!
Nolan is amazing drafter, he was going to pick the most productuve WR from the draft had not the best LB in the the draft and possibly sooner than later NFL didn't fall to them.

What would have happend had we gotten Dwayne Bowe, Instead of Willis?

If we did, then somebody else would have been the most productive WR in the draft instead of him.

He's probably ecstatic that we DIDN'T draft him, lol.

NJNiner

03-21-2008, 02:21 PM

so who are these two guys?

PapiChulo81

03-21-2008, 02:49 PM

billy mays can sell ice to an eskimo.

Lol, deja vu

49ers Ephon

03-21-2008, 03:50 PM

i'd say groves and devin thomas

Gof the Gij

03-21-2008, 05:34 PM

Cherilus is probably one of them.

dhimiter

03-21-2008, 06:07 PM

I see you're making a joke out of this, haha pretty funny. All I'm saying is that the 9ers aren't going to sit at 39, they will trade up, but I'm not sure what it'll cost.
That's it, cut the crap.

I have seen you, on numerous threads, express alot of sarcasm and empty unnessasary comments, and it could be the reason you are gettting such a warming response in this one, I am not saying you do not have anything to add to certain conversations, I am just saying what goes around comes around.

Back to the thread; I get what you are saying, we are targeting two individuals we are hoping to get with our 1st two picks, we may look to move up if one is not available, just as we did last year with joe staley. If it is in fact only two specific players then it does in fact become a little more difficult to obtain our goal.

If we targeted more like 5-8 players to fall to the end of the 1st beginning of the second I could see us staying were we are, but if it is in fact only two than there must be someone we really want.

I have to believe that if it is only two players that we covit than one can not be Quintan Grooves simiply because it is not a need position it is more of a luxury pick. We need serious Oline, Dline and Reciever help and I gotta believe it is two of those three areas.

I think maybe Jeff Otah and Early Dourcet

49ersforlife5x

03-22-2008, 10:01 AM

My suspicion is Groves and Cherilus. My opinion however is we'd do just as well with Baker or L. Jackson. Both exceptionally solid 4 year starters in a huge program.

ninersgold

03-22-2008, 10:19 AM

My suspicion is Groves and Cherilus. My opinion however is we'd do just as well with Baker or L. Jackson. Both exceptionally solid 4 year starters in a huge program.

Good thing you don't own the team. Lawrence Jackson doesn't fit the 3-4!, and Baker is good when healthy, but he gets injured a lot, reminds me of Jonas Jennings. I can see why you think Cherilius could be the next Kwame, very similar physically, but I think it all depends on our o-line coaching, if Chris Foerester works on pass protection skills we will be in great shape, Warhop is only good at teaching Run Blocking, the only thing Kwame was good at (and he even screwed that up woth holding penalties). I think Cherilius is a better pass protector though, and he is a RT, Kwame was supposed to be our LT of the future. Cherilius allowed 5 and 1/2 sacks last season in College at LT. Sounds not so great, but he is better at RT and he played in a pass happy offense with Boston College. 650 plus pass atempts he allowed 5 1/2 sacks, he is actualy very good.

dhimiter

03-22-2008, 10:32 AM

My suspicion is Groves and Cherilus. My opinion however is we'd do just as well with Baker or L. Jackson. Both exceptionally solid 4 year starters in a huge program.

Baker is falling alot, I actually think he may drop into the 3rd round, I like him, he is solid and could be a great RT, not to high on Jackson on our team, I would perfer a former 4-3 DT to play end than 4-3 end to play in the 3-4 as an end, it always seems to work out better. We already have J. Smith for that.

49ersforlife5x

03-22-2008, 11:01 AM

Good thing you don't own the team. Lawrence Jackson doesn't fit the 3-4!, and Baker is good when healthy, but he gets injured a lot, reminds me of Jonas Jennings. I can see why you think Cherilius could be the next Kwame, very similar physically, but I think it all depends on our o-line coaching, if Chris Foerester works on pass protection skills we will be in great shape, Warhop is only good at teaching Run Blocking, the only thing Kwame was good at (and he even screwed that up woth holding penalties). I think Cherilius is a better pass protector though, and he is a RT, Kwame was supposed to be our LT of the future. Cherilius allowed 5 and 1/2 sacks last season in College at LT. Sounds not so great, but he is better at RT and he played in a pass happy offense with Boston College. 650 plus pass atempts he allowed 5 1/2 sacks, he is actualy very good.

Well, he only missed 3 starts in 4 years (all as a senior) and only gave up one sack in 4 years as a starter... That's pretty good. I know you and I have argued about Jackson already. I think he can be 3-4 olb and many others do too. And the thing I like about the Baker/Jackson scenario is we wouldn't have to make any trades to move up, and we wouldn't really be reaching on either. I'd say. I hear you on the Cherilus/Kwame comparison and I got thinking that myself. But at least Gosder comes from a program well known for it's o line.
And finally, I like Groves. But he is injury prone, way more than Jackson, underachieved at times, never really peaked. He kinda teases you a bit, I find. And is far more of a one trick pony.

SB49er4life

03-23-2008, 12:34 AM

Good thing you don't own the team. Lawrence Jackson doesn't fit the 3-4!, and Baker is good when healthy, but he gets injured a lot, reminds me of Jonas Jennings. I can see why you think Cherilius could be the next Kwame, very similar physically, but I think it all depends on our o-line coaching, if Chris Foerester works on pass protection skills we will be in great shape, Warhop is only good at teaching Run Blocking, the only thing Kwame was good at (and he even screwed that up woth holding penalties). I think Cherilius is a better pass protector though, and he is a RT, Kwame was supposed to be our LT of the future. Cherilius allowed 5 and 1/2 sacks last season in College at LT. Sounds not so great, but he is better at RT and he played in a pass happy offense with Boston College. 650 plus pass atempts he allowed 5 1/2 sacks, he is actualy very good.

Lawrence Jackson is actually projected to be a better 3-4 OLB than a DE by a lot of different sources. He has proto-typical size for the position (6'4, ~265 lbs), and is a pretty fluid athlete for his size.

I personally don't think he would be anything special as an OLB or pass rusher, period, but a lot of people feel that he has the ability to play it and will most likely be worked out by several 3-4 teams as one.

As for Sam Baker, good when healthy ? He just missed 3 games this last years after being a staple on the OL for his entire career.

Cherilus gave up 5.5 sacks last year; Sam Baker gave up 1.... IN HIS ENTIRE CAREER.

I really hope we don't draft Cherilus. If we wanted a great run-blocking RT that was questionable in pass pro, we could have just kept Kwame.

WE NEED A GUY WHO IS GONNA GIVE OUR QB TIME TO THROW THE BALL.

I don't care if we draft 7 OL in this draft, if it hasn't signifcantly upgraded our PASS PROTECTION, we have failed miserably at upgrading the line.

Pass Pro > Run Blocking when it comes to our priority for upgrading the line.

SBbound49ers

03-23-2008, 12:38 AM

Lawrence Jackson is actually projected to be a better 3-4 OLB than a DE by a lot of different sources. He has proto-typical size for the position (6'4, ~265 lbs), and is a pretty fluid athlete for his size.

I personally don't think he would be anything special as an OLB or pass rusher, period, but a lot of people feel that he has the ability to play it and will most likely be worked out by several 3-4 teams as one.

As for Sam Baker, good when healthy ? He just missed 3 games this last years after being a staple on the OL for his entire career.

Cherilus gave up 5.5 sacks last year; Sam Baker gave up 1.... IN HIS ENTIRE CAREER.

I really hope we don't draft Cherilus. If we wanted a great run-blocking RT that was questionable in pass pro, we could have just kept Kwame.

WE NEED A GUY WHO IS GONNA GIVE OUR QB TIME TO THROW THE BALL.

I don't care if we draft 7 OL in this draft, if it hasn't signifcantly upgraded our PASS PROTECTION, we have failed miserably at upgrading the line.

Pass Pro > Run Blocking when it comes to our priority for upgrading the line.

College #'s can be very decieving. Mike Rumph gave up 1 TD in his career at Miami.

SB49er4life

03-23-2008, 12:46 AM

College #'s can be very decieving. Mike Rumph gave up 1 TD in his career at Miami.

Not saying that it means Cherilus is going to be a bad pass protector.

Just that Sam Baker IS that much MORE reliable.

I see where you're going with stats, because they don't always tell the whole story... but in Baker's case, they DO.

Regardless of the situation, throughout a college career, there are MANY times an OT is left 1-on-1 with an edge rusher to wall off his side.

Does it help when you have John David Booty and Matt Leinart that can make good decisions without hesitation ? Absolutely; but I've been watching the Trojans more closely the last 4 years than I have the 49ers (mainly b/c I don't have Sunday Ticket) and those guys RARELY have any pressure on them.

In fact, the Trojans' love to attack down the field, and call a lot of pass plays that involve double moves to the outside and long crossing routes, so they are longer developing plays that require good protection just to have a chance at working.

49ersforlife5x

03-23-2008, 06:42 AM

Lawrence Jackson is actually projected to be a better 3-4 OLB than a DE by a lot of different sources. He has proto-typical size for the position (6'4, ~265 lbs), and is a pretty fluid athlete for his size.

I personally don't think he would be anything special as an OLB or pass rusher, period, but a lot of people feel that he has the ability to play it and will most likely be worked out by several 3-4 teams as one.

As for Sam Baker, good when healthy ? He just missed 3 games this last years after being a staple on the OL for his entire career.

Cherilus gave up 5.5 sacks last year; Sam Baker gave up 1.... IN HIS ENTIRE CAREER.

I really hope we don't draft Cherilus. If we wanted a great run-blocking RT that was questionable in pass pro, we could have just kept Kwame.

WE NEED A GUY WHO IS GONNA GIVE OUR QB TIME TO THROW THE BALL.

I don't care if we draft 7 OL in this draft, if it hasn't signifcantly upgraded our PASS PROTECTION, we have failed miserably at upgrading the line.

Pass Pro > Run Blocking when it comes to our priority for upgrading the line.

I don't know if you're a Jackson fan or not, but I'm really looking forward to seeing if he can improve his 40 time at his pro day April 2. I bet a lot of these know it all naysayers will change their tune on him after that.

ManCans

03-23-2008, 08:03 AM

Not saying that it means Cherilus is going to be a bad pass protector.

Just that Sam Baker IS that much MORE reliable.

I see where you're going with stats, because they don't always tell the whole story... but in Baker's case, they DO.

Regardless of the situation, throughout a college career, there are MANY times an OT is left 1-on-1 with an edge rusher to wall off his side.

Does it help when you have John David Booty and Matt Leinart that can make good decisions without hesitation ? Absolutely; but I've been watching the Trojans more closely the last 4 years than I have the 49ers (mainly b/c I don't have Sunday Ticket) and those guys RARELY have any pressure on them.

In fact, the Trojans' love to attack down the field, and call a lot of pass plays that involve double moves to the outside and long crossing routes, so they are longer developing plays that require good protection just to have a chance at working.I really agree with you on Baker. More and more, I think he's the offensive lineman we're targetting with our second round pick. Excellent run-blocker, outstanding feet, doesn't get beat by the inside move like Cherilus, and can play almost every position on the offensive line. He will probably be there with our first pick, but probably not our second pick. I could see us using our fourth-rounder to trade up with a team like New York or Green Bay to grab him.

As for our first pick, I'm leaning more and more towards a defensive back. Both Nolan and McCloughan are raving about the cornerbacks in this class, and I could see them targetting an under-the-radar guy like Brandon Flowers or Kenny Phillips.

SB49er4life

03-23-2008, 12:42 PM

I don't know if you're a Jackson fan or not, but I'm really looking forward to seeing if he can improve his 40 time at his pro day April 2. I bet a lot of these know it all naysayers will change their tune on him after that.

I'm as big of a USC fan as you will find on this board. I love the Trojans slightly less than I love the 49ers.

I think Jackson is a good player.

I also think that he never lived up to the expectations after an impressive sophomore year.

He doesn't have the 1st-step explosion and power that elite pass rushers have.

In the NFL, I see him being a solid, all around player that is good at a lot of things, but great at none.

SB49er4life

03-23-2008, 12:47 PM

I really agree with you on Baker. More and more, I think he's the offensive lineman we're targetting with our second round pick. Excellent run-blocker, outstanding feet, doesn't get beat by the inside move like Cherilus, and can play almost every position on the offensive line. He will probably be there with our first pick, but probably not our second pick. I could see us using our fourth-rounder to trade up with a team like New York or Green Bay to grab him.

As for our first pick, I'm leaning more and more towards a defensive back. Both Nolan and McCloughan are raving about the cornerbacks in this class, and I could see them targetting an under-the-radar guy like Brandon Flowers or Kenny Phillips.

If we got Groves/Baker with our 1st two picks, I wouldn't even care who the rest of our draft consisted of. Those 2 players alone would have an ENORMOUS impact on the team.

I love the FS position and acknowledge it as a definite need, but I wouldn't want us taking one early unless he was FAR AND AWAY the best football player on the draft board.

I like the though of grabbing Reggie Smith and making him a FS.

But if I had to choose, I'd take an elite pass rusher 10 times out of 10. Our secondary is good, even with a deficiency at FS.

I also think Tarell Brown is gonna be a **** good player in this leage.

49ersforlife5x

03-23-2008, 12:54 PM

If we got Groves/Baker with our 1st two picks, I wouldn't even care who the rest of our draft consisted of. Those 2 players alone would have an ENORMOUS impact on the team.

I love the FS position and acknowledge it as a definite need, but I wouldn't want us taking one early unless he was FAR AND AWAY the best football player on the draft board.

I like the though of grabbing Reggie Smith and making him a FS.

But if I had to choose, I'd take an elite pass rusher 10 times out of 10. Our secondary is good, even with a deficiency at FS.

I also think Tarell Brown is gonna be a **** good player in this leage.

Totally. There are some other players I like in later rounds as good backups and steals. But those 2 would be dead nuts.

SB49er4life

03-23-2008, 02:06 PM

Totally. There are some other players I like in later rounds as good backups and steals. But those 2 would be dead nuts.

I'll freak out if Sam Baker is there at our 2nd pick and we don't take him.

I think he is the best OT in the draft, and players like him dropping are the reason I think that some NFL scouts have got to be clueless; at the end of the day, it's about getting it done on the field, and he has done it his entire career against the best competition.

If I had my choice of him and Jake Long, I would take Sam Baker. Jake Long looks better in a track meet and on paper, but Bakers' been doing it for longer and there isn't anything he's done on the field that can be classified as a flaw.

I got some later round steals, too, but I think Q. Groves is our only realistic chance at an ELITE pass rusher.

ManCans

03-23-2008, 02:28 PM

If we got Groves/Baker with our 1st two picks, I wouldn't even care who the rest of our draft consisted of. Those 2 players alone would have an ENORMOUS impact on the team.

I love the FS position and acknowledge it as a definite need, but I wouldn't want us taking one early unless he was FAR AND AWAY the best football player on the draft board.

I like the though of grabbing Reggie Smith and making him a FS.

But if I had to choose, I'd take an elite pass rusher 10 times out of 10. Our secondary is good, even with a deficiency at FS.

I also think Tarell Brown is gonna be a **** good player in this leage.I don't think Groves will be there when we pick 29th. Pittsburgh and Jacksonville are showing interest in him, and they both could use a pass-rusher.

I like Tarrell Brown, but I think he's going to be more of a nickle-back, IMO. When I watched him at Texas, he got beat far too often by mediocre receivers for my liking. He showed flashes of greatness, but I thought he was fairly inconsistent. Great value in the 5th round, though.

SB49er4life

03-23-2008, 02:38 PM

I don't think Groves will be there when we pick 29th. Pittsburgh and Jacksonville are showing interest in him, and they both could use a pass-rusher.

I like Tarrell Brown, but I think he's going to be more of a nickle-back, IMO. When I watched him at Texas, he got beat far too often by mediocre receivers for my liking. He showed flashes of greatness, but I thought he was fairly inconsistent. Great value in the 5th round, though.

I HOPE Groves will be there at #29... but I gotta admit that I'm not too confident that he will.

Jacksonville is the only real legitimate threat to swoop him, IMO; Pittsburgh just spent a 1st and 2nd round pick on OLB's last year, and are hurting BAD at OG, with a monster like Branden Albert who will likely be on the board.

Jacksonville also lost Marcus Stroud (DT) but pass rush was their biggest weakness.

If we plan on trading up in the 2nd round, I wouldn't imagine we do it in the 1st round, too.

SBbound49ers

03-23-2008, 02:41 PM

I don't think Groves will be there when we pick 29th. Pittsburgh and Jacksonville are showing interest in him, and they both could use a pass-rusher.

I like Tarrell Brown, but I think he's going to be more of a nickle-back, IMO. When I watched him at Texas, he got beat far too often by mediocre receivers for my liking. He showed flashes of greatness, but I thought he was fairly inconsistent. Great value in the 5th round, though.

JAX seems very likely. Their foundation has been their d-line and now its in question after losing two big pieces and having a ahmpered John Henderson.

They've got some good bigger DEs and they could certainly use a smaller, more atheltic end to compliment Hayward and Spicer.

Gof the Gij

03-23-2008, 02:53 PM

SB49er4life

03-23-2008, 03:09 PM

JAX seems very likely. Their foundation has been their d-line and now its in question after losing two big pieces and having a ahmpered John Henderson.

They've got some good bigger DEs and they could certainly use a smaller, more atheltic end to compliment Hayward and Spicer.

Jacksonville got EXPOSED against the Pats' in the playoff loss; their plan to only rush 4 would have worked except for 1 thing: their DE's are slow and couldn't create pressure whatsover. They have very little speed and disruption on the edges

I just hope they don't go DE; I would be willing to trade up for Groves. But I don't run the team.

SBbound49ers

03-23-2008, 03:14 PM

That's why I'm so wary of Jacksonville...what would be nice is if we could make a trade with Tennessee...then I'd be very confident we could grab Groves.

I like Groves as much as the next guy but Im not willing to move up. We could land Avril at 39 or something. We have enough needs to fill, no reason to give up some much needed picks IMO.

Jacksonville got EXPOSED against the Pats' in the playoff loss; their plan to only rush 4 would have worked except for 1 thing: their DE's are slow and couldn't create pressure whatsover. They have very little speed and disruption on the edges

I just hope they don't go DE; I would be willing to trade up for Groves. But I don't run the team.

One thing to look for is their new DC is Gregg Williams who loves to send blitzes and bring the pressure. This could mean Groves to help at DE or it could mean no Groves cause in DC Williams used bigger lineman to play the run while he asked the LBs and CBs (Shawn Springs led them in sacks 2 years ago) to bring the heat.

JAX wont be playing the vanilla rush 4 schemes they've used so often in the past with the 2 big guys inside eating everything up.

ManCans

03-23-2008, 03:34 PM

Jacksonville is the only real legitimate threat to swoop him, IMO; Pittsburgh just spent a 1st and 2nd round pick on OLB's last year, and are hurting BAD at OG, with a monster like Branden Albert who will likely be on the board.I think Pittsburgh has some interest in Groves as well. Mike Tomlin showed up to scout him at Auburn's pro-day, and James Harrison is facing felony assault charges. Even if Harrison is cleared to play, he'll be 30 years-old, which is just about the shelf-life for linebackers in Pittsburgh.

mascott

03-23-2008, 06:50 PM

:link:

ya sure, here's who told me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ...eature=related

SB49er4life

03-23-2008, 08:40 PM

I think Pittsburgh has some interest in Groves as well. Mike Tomlin showed up to scout him at Auburn's pro-day, and James Harrison is facing felony assault charges. Even if Harrison is cleared to play, he'll be 30 years-old, which is just about the shelf-life for linebackers in Pittsburgh.

You really think Pittsburgh would just go ahead and pass on Branden Albert for Groves ? I mean, if you ask me, they would have to think he's capable of being a premier defensive player in this league to do all that.

49ersforlife5x

03-24-2008, 03:11 AM

ManCans

03-24-2008, 09:28 AM

You really think Pittsburgh would just go ahead and pass on Branden Albert for Groves ? I mean, if you ask me, they would have to think he's capable of being a premier defensive player in this league to do all that.I think it all depends on what happens with James Harrison. They're really big on character in Pittsburgh, and he may be headed out the door. Cedric Wilson is also having legal problems, and they just flat-out cut him.

Albert is a very good prospect, but if they feel Groves is just about equal talent-wise, I think they take the pass-rusher over the interior offensive lineman.
They won't pass on Albert. They already spent their top 2 picks last year on pass rushers.They spent their top 2 picks on linebackers; Lawrence Timmons and LaMarr Woodley.