For you Manningham Lovers......and you say Hardy has issues.

[toolsalesman]

NFLNetwork's Mike Mayock said," that Mario Manningham admittedly lied to scouts about several off the field altercations."

Mayock said," Manningham sent letters to all 32 teams, saying he was sorry that he lied to them during the interview process at the combine".

[nikkayeah]

i already knew how immature he was

[49ersforlife5x]

both losers!

[ninersfan68]

goddamit Nolan will never take him now

[MR. WEBBER]

and some people wanted him on this team.....he is such a loser

[Wikedjug]

Yeah what a loser for realizing he messed up and came clean to all the teams...:hoppy:

Exactly.

He wasn't caught. He came clean.

If anything that is a sign of maturity taking hold.

As a Michigan fan I'm not a big fan of him as a NFL prospect but he has never come across as a bad kid.

[SBbound49ers]

Luis Castillo helped himself in a similar situation.

[dbro0880]

It would be interesting to see exactly what he lied about...My concern with Manningham isnt so much his off the field antics its more of his pre madonna attitude and his lack of toughness

However i still believe if he is there in the second and we addressed offensive line with our first pick then we should definitely consider taking him...the guy makes plays in big games and is the best vertical threat in the draft

[SB49er4life]

Whatever. I just care if he's over it and ready to grow up.

If you're gonna judge everyone on their past, then you're gonna find a problem with everyone. Including everyone on this board.

People act like Manningham is the only athlete that's ever gotten in trouble in this upcoming rookie class.

[Hobbes2d]

He's the next Antonio Bryant.

[MR. WEBBER]

confessing to it is not a sign of growing up,he lied a couple weeks ago.and now he is figuring out that he could get caught on it and hurt his draft stock.so he came clean.you dont grow up that fast,sorry.

[SB49er4life]

confessing to it is not a sign of growing up,he lied a couple weeks ago.and now he is figuring out that he could get caught on it and hurt his draft stock.so he came clean.you dont grow up that fast,sorry.

We get it; you don't like Mario Manningham.

Now stop trying to twist everything about him into him being a horrible person.

Probably more than half of the prospects sat and told bold faced lies about what they do and don't do, who we will not find out about until they do something to get caught during their NFL career.

[MR. WEBBER]

yeah cause im the only one on here that doesnt like him.why single me out?

[49ers Ephon]

i have no problem with hardy and wouldn't mind if we got him

but i really like manningham and really hope we draft him

go blue!

[MR. WEBBER]

the more and more i look into it,im not really liking any of the top wr's coming out of this draft class

[nikkayeah]

most likely he lied about the situation that got him kicked off the team. he was caught with some vicodin and didn't have a prescription. (intent to sell)

[SB49er4life]

yeah cause im the only one on here that doesnt like him.why single me out?

No, but every time anyone has anything good to say about him, you show up and make comments suggesting there is no hope for him.

I could give 2 squirrel farts if we draft the kid or not, but I just don't get the hate for him and why you give him 0 chance of being a possibly successful NFL wide out.

[Wikedjug]

confessing to it is not a sign of growing up,he lied a couple weeks ago.and now he is figuring out that he could get caught on it and hurt his draft stock.so he came clean.you dont grow up that fast,sorry.

Actually watching the kid for 4 years and personally meeting him twice I would say he is more mature then yourself.

Grow up yourself then critique the ethics of a young player who is about to make more in his bonus money then you will see in a decade.

[49ers Ephon]

the more and more i look into it,im not really liking any of the top wr's coming out of this draft class

i disagree. i think this is a strong draft and we could land a decent reciever with our 2nd pick. i have a bias for manningham, but he is a good reciever. I also like Devin Thomas, i see alot of potential in him.

[MR. WEBBER]

Actually watching the kid for 4 years and personally meeting him twice I would say he is more mature then yourself.

Grow up yourself then critique the ethics of a young player who is about to make more in his bonus money then you will see in a decade.

so without meeting me you know everything about me?give me a break.just because you met the guy twice doesnt mean you know him or his attitude.im an iowa fan,a big ten guy,i watched him along time too,does that make me an expert,no...and niether are you.i guess you missed when he would yell at his qb to throw him the ball,or when he would throw tantrums on the sideline.but your right he is way more mature then me.

[bakersfield49er]

hmm, Webber which recievers have that attitude? T.O and CJ? He can have that give me the ball attitude if he's a reciever, hell VD has that same fire about him. A reciever that wants the ball? Keeper. As for lieing to teams I'm sure nobodys tells the whole truth all the time but atleast he was man enough to apoligize without being caught. To whoever made this thread I think I'm the only one who really wants him on this team and I like James Hardy to :bigboss:

[yayareawarrior]

its not the fact that he is immature; he is just soft and another brandon lloyd.
I agree James Hardy has too much hype on this board but worst case scenario he is reggie williams and best case he is plaxico burress.

[bakersfield49er]

Manningham is not a Lloyd, what do you mean by soft.

[dbro0880]

most likely he lied about the situation that got him kicked off the team. he was caught with some vicodin and didn't have a prescription. (intent to sell)

um where did you get this info...manningham was never kicked off the team...adrian arrington was but then brought back...manningham was suspended but never removed from the team

[dbro0880]

Manningham is not a Lloyd, what do you mean by soft.

I like manningham but ill even say it...he doesnt really like going over the middle and isnt very physical

[SB49er4life]

so without meeting me you know everything about me?give me a break.just because you met the guy twice doesnt mean you know him or his attitude.im an iowa fan,a big ten guy,i watched him along time too,does that make me an expert,no...and niether are you.i guess you missed when he would yell at his qb to throw him the ball,or when he would throw tantrums on the sideline.but your right he is way more mature then me.

By your logic, we should have also avoided Jerry Rice and T.O., because they "demanded" the ball from their QB and got hot when it didn't come there way... never mind the fact that we were SuperBowl contenders every single year they are on the squad.

If you haven't noticed basically EVERY prime-time WR is that way; even Marvin Harrison acted all butt hurt last year during the Colts' SuperBowl run when he wasn't getting balls coming his way.... and they were winning !!!

When have you ever heard of a great WR who raises his hand politely in the meeting room to make a suggestion that he get the ball when he's open ? I'll tell you: NEVER.

Football is a very emotional sport, and in the moment, when you are LOSING, emotions get the best of you.

Sorry buddy, but people DO change; it's ridiculous to think that because maybe a guy has somewhat of an attitude at one point in his life, that he will always be a terible person.

[bakersfield49er]

I like manningham but ill even say it...he doesnt really like going over the middle and isnt very physical

I said this in another post, WR's aren't supposed to be trucking people down the field, I mean if they can do that, that's great. I've seen him go over the middle but I'm pretty sure that is not a WR's favorite place on the field.

[Benji]

Draft Early Doucet!

[nikkayeah]

um where did you get this info...manningham was never kicked off the team...adrian arrington was but then brought back...manningham was suspended but never removed from the team

my bad he was suspended at the end of the season because of that incident

[nikkayeah]

I said this in another post, WR's aren't supposed to be trucking people down the field, I mean if they can do that, that's great. I've seen him go over the middle but I'm pretty sure that is not a WR's favorite place on the field.

all the top recievers in the league aren't afraid of going over the middle. if you can't go over the middle, what makes you any better than a rich man's ashley lelie?

[BAKNAFEK88]

Draft Early Doucet!

Yes I agree. He is a Torry Holt clone. If he wasn't hurt those 5 games, he would have put up some really good numbers. He also is coming out of a really good program :sf49:

[MR. WEBBER]

hmm, Webber which recievers have that attitude? T.O and CJ? He can have that give me the ball attitude if he's a reciever, hell VD has that same fire about him. A reciever that wants the ball? Keeper. As for lieing to teams I'm sure nobodys tells the whole truth all the time but atleast he was man enough to apoligize without being caught. To whoever made this thread I think I'm the only one who really wants him on this team and I like James Hardy to :bigboss:

wow,good examples,one player that has been traded twice cause of his attitude.the other about to get traded because of his attitude.those are the players i really want on this team.....give me a break.so we draft manningham and in 2-3 years he leaves with a bad attitude.thats the way to use our draft picks isnt it??

[49Faithful]

Yeah what a loser for realizing he messed up and came clean to all the teams...:hoppy:

Exactly.

He wasn't caught. He came clean.

If anything that is a sign of maturity taking hold.

As a Michigan fan I'm not a big fan of him as a NFL prospect but he has never come across as a bad kid.

I call Bullshyt. Something must have came up and he just cut it off before he looked to bad. Not sure what is issues are and not saying he is a bad seed but its not maturity he just did a preemptive strike.

[Wikedjug]

I call Bullshyt. Something must have came up and he just cut it off before he looked to bad. Not sure what is issues are and not saying he is a bad seed but its not maturity he just did a preemptive strike.

Right something must of came up that the media just totally missed right? Then they picked up this letters soon as it went down also right? I guess you guys have never messed up when you where 20 years old. Come on now I could see if he brutally assaulted someone, was running a drug ring, or maybe was even uses performance enhancers himself.

I'll say it again I question him being a number 1 WR in the nfl. Not sure I want us to draft him where we would need too to get him, but he is a good kid and I hope he proves me wrong.

[SB49er4life]

wow,good examples,one player that has been traded twice cause of his attitude.the other about to get traded because of his attitude.those are the players i really want on this team.....give me a break.so we draft manningham and in 2-3 years he leaves with a bad attitude.thats the way to use our draft picks isnt it??

2 players that also make any team they go to instant contenders.


You act like it's guaranteed that he will be a bad teammate.

We'll just do it YOUR way and draft out of the Church Choir and see how far that gets us.

Last time I checked, T.O. has done wonders for the Cowboys offense and gotten past his attitude problems, and Chad Johnson WANTS to be traded from an organization b/c they have no clue what they're doing.

[MR. WEBBER]

you make it sound like owens is an angel now,and that johnson's only problem was that the bengals dont know what they are doing,come on they both have more issues then just that.

[nikkayeah]

looks what t.o did to the eagles its pure disrespect

[MR. WEBBER]

nik,i love your sig,i havent stopped laughing yet

[NY2ThaBay08]

He wasn't caught. He came clean.

If anything that is a sign of maturity taking hold



CoSign

[wolf2008]

Manningham drops passes, lacks consistancy, and has character issues. Earl Bennett is a much better WR than Manningham.

[bakersfield49er]

Manningham drops passes, lacks consistancy, and has character issues. Earl Bennett is a much better WR than Manningham.

Your dumb, judge people that you don't watch, and think you know it all.
I'm glad we had this talk WOLF2008. I'm not going to judge Bennett because I didn't watch him play but Manningham is the best fit for us outside DeSean Jackson because they're both small, fast, threats with the ball in their hands, and deep threats.

We don't need an Earl Bennet because he's like every reciever we have. Sure Manningham is a huge deep threat like Lelie but Lelie can't break your ankles with a double move or is as fast as MM.

Peace.

[wolf2008]

I have seen Manningham play, good deep threat but does not go across the middle that much and seems to be immature.

[SB49er4life]

I have seen Manningham play, good deep threat but does not go across the middle that much and seems to be immature.

What's with this "won't go across the middle" stuff ? Not EVERY Wr is gonna be a complete wide-out that can do it all.

This team needs an IMPACT PLAYER who can make BIG PLAYS; the 49ers' WR'ing corps is loaded with a bunch of guys that will go over the middle but have zero to little big play capability.

[Hobbes2d]

What's with this "won't go across the middle" stuff ? Not EVERY Wr is gonna be a complete wide-out that can do it all.

This team needs an IMPACT PLAYER who can make BIG PLAYS; the 49ers' WR'ing corps is loaded with a bunch of guys that will go over the middle but have zero to little big play capability.

Other then Battle we have nobody that will go over the middle.

[pogoowner]

Sure Manningham is a huge deep threat like Lelie but Lelie can't break your ankles with a double move or is as fast as MM.
I believe Lelie ran a sub-4.3 forty at his pro day, compared to Manningham's 4.38, so I'd say he's probably faster.

[goeagles99]

I have seen Manningham play, good deep threat but does not go across the middle that much and seems to be immature.

I just checked my notes. I put down that he "will work the middle of the field". I just re-watched the UM/MSU game the other day. Mario took a big hit in that game and held onto the ball. He's not the little, finesse receiver that some people think. He's actually a bit of a bully. Mario pushes off a lot. Drives DBs crazy.

[wolf2008]

Loses his composure at times and pouts, was called out by his coach for inconsistant play, lied to teams about off-field incidents at the Combine. niners need a receiver that does not have any issues, not a Nolan type player.

[ninersgold]

Loses his composure at times and pouts, he lied to teams about off-field incidents at the Combine, niners need a receiver that does not have any issues.

Good luck with that. Everyone has issues.

Jonas Jennings has injury issues...
"I scraped my knee, put me on IR!, It hurts so bad and I can't take the pain..."
:cry2:

[goeagles99]

Do those guys exist???

[ninersgold]

Your dumb, judge people that you don't watch, and think you know it all.
I'm glad we had this talk WOLF2008. I'm not going to judge Bennett because I didn't watch him play but Manningham is the best fit for us outside DeSean Jackson because they're both small, fast, threats with the ball in their hands, and deep threats.

We don't need an Earl Bennet because he's like every reciever we have. Sure Manningham is a huge deep threat like Lelie but Lelie can't break your ankles with a double move or is as fast as MM.

Peace.

:pullhair:

I doubt we are going after small WRs!!!!! We want guys who can catch and run block! Small fast deep threats often have problem catching (sometimes) and aren't good blockers. We are running a ball control offense that uses big WRs to block dowfield, EVEN with martz. They expect Martz to use the talent to the best of their abilities not to go in 5 WR sets and be small fast and run rampant!

[bakersfield49er]

:pullhair:

I doubt we are going after small WRs!!!!! We want guys who can catch and run block! Small fast deep threats often have problem catching (sometimes) and aren't good blockers. We are running a ball control offense that uses big WRs to block dowfield, EVEN with martz. They expect Martz to use the talent to the best of their abilities not to go in 5 WR sets and be small fast and run rampant!

Don't get me wrong but its going to be a big reciever like Hardy or a smaller one like Djack, Manningham, or Doucet. We have no need for mid heigh recievers because all the ones we got are capable.

[wolf2008]

Manningham/ immature character = trouble (on field and off field)

[ninersgold]

I dont think u can make that statement when our OC uses smaller WR for his O...as for the catching and blocking it is more about the player than the height/weight combo...

:read:

We are running a different style of offense than Martz's usual offenses. We brought in Martz to utilize the talent in our offense. We are going to be a ball control offense. He is going to use Gore as much as he can, cuz he is our best player! He is going to use what we have as best as possible in the coryell offense, which is what we have been running since Norv came, it will be a little bit more complicated though. We aren't running the multiple fast WR set offense type. We are going after big run blocking WRs, who are willing to block.

[Wikedjug]

Loses his composure at times and pouts, was called out by his coach for inconsistant play, lied to teams about off-field incidents at the Combine. niners need a receiver that does not have any issues, not a Nolan type player.

Lost his composure wtf? Have you even seen a michigan game the last 3 years?

He kept making plays even when games where pretty much over in the 4th. He made a freaking 70 yard play with 5 seconds left vs app st which would of one us the game if not for a blocked fg. What was the catch vs wisc with us down 3 scores like 90 yards?

Where was he called out by his coaches for inconsistand play lmao? The last 2 years he was basically money for 100 yards and a td a game. Hes had 3 whole bad games those past 2 years. OSU 06(worth mentioning Henne overthrew him when he was wide open for a 70ish yard TD) USC jan 1st 07(no excuse here he basically got shutdown whole game) and OSU 07(everyone on offense played like ***** and lost us a game our D played their hearts out in)

EARL BENNETT LMAO

He doesn't go over the middle but he was never asked too. You don't send your BMV offroading period. Whats the point of him making a 5 yard catch and taking a monster hit when he could be burning people for 20+ yard plays.

I question his heart sometimes, woulda liked to see him go up for the ball more times then he did(think he gave up on some high passes he could of possibly made) and he sometimes has VD syndrome and just stone hands a pass. Those are my knocks on him, learn to watch a player before trashing them.

[MR. WEBBER]

Lost his composure wtf? Have you even seen a michigan game the last 3 years?

He kept making plays even when games where pretty much over in the 4th. He made a freaking 70 yard play with 5 seconds left vs app st which would of one us the game if not for a blocked fg. What was the catch vs wisc with us down 3 scores like 90 yards?

Where was he called out by his coaches for inconsistand play lmao? The last 2 years he was basically money for 100 yards and a td a game. Hes had 3 whole bad games those past 2 years. OSU 06(worth mentioning Henne overthrew him when he was wide open for a 70ish yard TD) USC jan 1st 07(no excuse here he basically got shutdown whole game) and OSU 07(everyone on offense played like ***** and lost us a game our D played their hearts out in)

EARL BENNETT LMAO

He doesn't go over the middle but he was never asked too. You don't send your BMV offroading period. Whats the point of him making a 5 yard catch and taking a monster hit when he could be burning people for 20+ yard plays.

I question his heart sometimes, woulda liked to see him go up for the ball more times then he did(think he gave up on some high passes he could of possibly made) and he sometimes has VD syndrome and just stone hands a pass. Those are my knocks on him, learn to watch a player before trashing them.

this posts proves that fact that your a michigan homer,thats why your so up manninghams *****.of course your going to say great things about him,the played for your team.fact is he doesnt do anything besides run the deep route.slide a safety towards his side in the pros,and you take away manningham,threat gone.i dont really want a one trick immature pony on the niners team.i think we could find alot better fit in the later rounds then him

[bakersfield49er]

He is the best fit for the team and he probably has more move effective moves than anyone in this draft, before you come up with a bad arguement please read the rest of the thread because we've covered alot of arguements. I'm not a Michigan fan, I'm a USC fan just so you know.

[Wikedjug]

this posts proves that fact that your a michigan homer,thats why your so up manninghams *****.of course your going to say great things about him,the played for your team.fact is he doesnt do anything besides run the deep route.slide a safety towards his side in the pros,and you take away manningham,threat gone.i dont really want a one trick immature pony on the niners team.i think we could find alot better fit in the later rounds then him

Because he only made plays on deep routes you moron? He has beautiful curl route far as I'm concerned its the best of any WR in the draft, he has taken screens for monster plays just about as many times as he has caught a deep ball.

If your short bus riding *** would read any of my posts you would know I don't want us to pick him where we would need to. I've done said it what 5 times? I put out real complaints on him, and someone like Ace could too. You clowns makeup **** on a guy you've never seen but on sportscenter highlights.

BTW just to enlighten you- if he was taking a safety and a corner up every time he gos deep he is doing his job in this league rather he catches a deep ball or not thats going to open up the field. Good job giving him more credit then you think he is worth! So horrbile yet you think he needs a double to be stopped rofl... I wouldn't give him that much credit yet.

[MR. WEBBER]

did i say double team?no i say slide a safety over,that doesnt mean cover him retard.plus im from iowa,big ten country, I SEE MICHIGAN ALL THE TIME.of course your going to say he does a beautiful curl route your a homer.who else would use the word beautiful to describe a route?i fail to see how manningham is the best fit for this team.he runs a deep route.wow,we have that in lelie,i dont see what else he brings besides a bad attitude and immaturity

[MR. WEBBER]

johson couldnt be a long term option?

[SB49er4life]

I am an OSU fan but I will give Manningham credit. Manningham has no problems getting open. I was suprised at how slow he was at the combine. He was going up against Malcolm Jenkins, one of the best corners in college football, and still getting open last November, he just didn't catch the passes. He is a bigtime player who caght the 50 or 60 yard pass against Appalachian St. to put them in field goal range. If, and I stress if, he is available at 39, not 29 we should take him seeing Bruce doesn't have many years left and Johnson will probly leave after one year. Besides Jason Hill, there are no long term options at reciever on this team.

Thank you ! I'm sick of all this ignorant **** about "The Slow-10" and discrediting guys for plays they make... he has been doing this for about 3 years against a tough schedule.

Also agree to take at #39 if he is there...

[Wikedjug]

did i say double team?no i say slide a safety over,that doesnt mean cover him retard.plus im from iowa,big ten country, I SEE MICHIGAN ALL THE TIME.of course your going to say he does a beautiful curl route your a homer.who else would use the word beautiful to describe a route?i fail to see how manningham is the best fit for this team.he runs a deep route.wow,we have that in lelie,i dont see what else he brings besides a bad attitude and immaturity

You roll a safety to his side they can't cover intermediate routes fool. That also opens up the middle of the field. You basically make it that safety's job to stop him because guess what? No one else is goint to be running a go route on the same side as the field unless you have Hostler as your OC!

Manningham got open and made plays on any route he ran period. He didn't run short range slants "go over middle" so to speak but he was never asked to period. There is no need for him to when you have the TEs Michigan always have.

The fact you think he can only go deep shows you know jack **** about him. You name a route he can run it, but personally if I'm a GM and my coach asks my 180 lb playmaker to go over the middle in range of 220 lb safetys and 250 lb LBers hes not gonna have a job very long.

[MR. WEBBER]

how do you know he was never asked to?were you the one calling the plays?im getting sick of you talking about him like your his brother or his coach,give me a break already,we see that your a michigan homer.no one can tell you he is a bad player.you already have it made up in your mind that he is god.give it a rest already,dude wont be crap in the nfl

[49ersRoxerz]

wow to the people *****ing about it

i know a guy who grew up with Delanie Walker and knows all the **** delanie got into and got away with because he was a top athlete so get him off the team as well

[JaketheSnake]

I'm not sure if he did this to get himself out of trouble or if he just wanted to apologize, but I'll look at the glass half full. When someone apologizes, just take the apology, including the critiques, even if it isn't genuine. It's all you're going to get.

[SB49er4life]

wow to the people *****ing about it

i know a guy who grew up with Delanie Walker and knows all the **** delanie got into and got away with because he was a top athlete so get him off the team as well

Delanie Walker went to Mt. Sac JuCo in So Cal... it's funny, because my buddy who was ballin' at Saddleback told me one of his coaches was telling him about a TE at Mt Sac that "had muscles in his ****", lol. Later on I put 2-and-2 together and realized that Delanie Walker is the guy he was talking about.

That was kinda irrelevant, but anyways, anybody whose played and been around top athletes know that the majority of them are rowdy characters that generally like to party and do things that the rest of society looks down on.

It doesn't make them bad people or that they are bad teammates, but it's just the reality of it.

Anybody who thinks that the majority of the pro athletes are saints are just clueless morons... hate to say it.

[pogoowner]

how do you know he was never asked to?were you the one calling the plays?im getting sick of you talking about him like your his brother or his coach,give me a break already,we see that your a michigan homer.no one can tell you he is a bad player.you already have it made up in your mind that he is god.give it a rest already,dude wont be crap in the nfl

Just like you've already decided he sucks, and no one can tell you otherwise.

[MR. WEBBER]

im just going by what i see in games,this guy is talking like he is part of the coaching staff and knows him personally.shows what type of homer he is

[Wikedjug]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMGskrMgmws

Just all his touches from one game vs a very fast D. He surely is just a deepthreat jackass.

[bakersfield49er]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMGskrMgmws

Just all his touches from one game vs a very fast D. He surely is just a deepthreat jackass.

Like I've been telling everyone he is a threat everywhere, I'll probably buy a jersey for the team he's on as long as its not NFC west or the raiders. I don't think we will get him but thats my draft wish, him and groves.

[SB49er4life]

im just going by what i see in games,this guy is talking like he is part of the coaching staff and knows him personally.shows what type of homer he is

And you're not ?? You are judging him based on a couple instances in which you were an OUTSIDE OBSERVER and probably only know a fraction of the story.

If you're going by "what you see in games", maybe you should watch more closely and watch ALL the plays, not just the ones that happen to match up with your claims, because a lot of other people are seeing differetn things that you say you are.

And nice try on the "homer" cop out, considering an Ohio St. fan is vouching for the guy, too.

I said before, I won't lose sleep if we don't draft the guy, but you are being extremely narrow minded here.

[Wikedjug]

Super Mario > MR. WEBBER

You fail at life sir.