Please explain HOW

[49ersforlife5x]

Please, somebody, explain how and why drafting a wide receiver in the first round is going to be the right pick.

With our qb situation looking so bad, and our O line being pathetic, I think it's very VERY naive to think a receiver is going to "open up" Martz's offense. If you think that, you must not understand the dynamic of offensive football.
The battle is won up front, Always.

There is nothing wrong with the receivers we have. We spent good money on guys like Davis, Lelie, Johnson.... Let's get our mileage out of those guys.

There are a lot of guys on this board who keep going on about receivers, they see nothing wrong with our o line or pass rush.
I need one of these guys to explain their thought process to me.
It seems those guys don't understand the ball doesn't just magically teleport into the receivers hands.
The quarterback has to be able to throw, the o line has to be able to block.
The receivers are really the 3rd piece of that puzzle.

[psychoj1016]

Please, somebody, explain how and why drafting a wide receiver in the first round is going to be the right pick.

simple... its not the right pick.... we dont need wr help like we need OL help... so i dont think wr is a very smart choice with our first or second pick... im hoping for Groves or cherilus 1st pick and OL second pick

[49ersforlife5x]

simple... its not the right pick.... we dont need wr help like we need OL help... so i dont think wr is a very smart choice with our first or second pick... im hoping for Groves or cherilus 1st pick and OL second pick

So am I dude, I couldn't agree more. But for all the dolts on this board who think receiver is the way to go....
You've got some splaining to do
I want to get this out there once and for all, and get some insight into stupidity

[roleplay3r1]

Are you going to continue *****ing about this AFTER the draft, too?

[verbicide]

Are you going to continue *****ing about this AFTER the draft, too?

Why not. If you're right before the event you're right after it too. A first round pick on a WR who has very little chance of starting, as opposed to pass rusher or OL is like a homeless man buying curtains.

[roleplay3r1]

Why not. If you're right before the event you're right after it too. A first round pick on a WR who has very little chance of starting, as opposed to pass rusher or OL is like a homeless man buying curtains.

I should've put "rhetorical" in the first post.

[MR. WEBBER]

Why not. If you're right before the event you're right after it too. A first round pick on a WR who has very little chance of starting, as opposed to pass rusher or OL is like a homeless man buying curtains.

how can you say a first round wr would have little chance of starting?you dont know who that wr would be or how he would fit into martz's system.thats just a dumb statement.for all you know he could come in and play like johnson did last year in detroit.(i know higher pick)but all im say is it come happen.

[psychoj1016]

well what good is drafting a wr when we already have a fairly solid wr core and hill with some growing up to do.... a good wr means nothing if the qb is lookin out of his ear hole after every play.... plus developing a solid line will help out both the passing game as well as the running game with making holes, pass blocking, and being able to throw in some play action.... even drafting groves for the DL will help with getting the offense back on the field.... another wr is basically useless if we cant get him the ball

[Bdogg]

how can you say a first round wr would have little chance of starting?you dont know who that wr would be or how he would fit into martz's system.thats just a dumb statement.for all you know he could come in and play like johnson did last year in detroit.(i know higher pick)but all im say is it come happen.

I know you are not comparing CALVIN JOHNSON to anyone in this draft class. That is just Blasphemy. CJ IS GOD. LOL. Besides Jon Kitna>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Than anything we have at QB. ANd that right there is a scary thought.

[bakersfield49er]

Kitna better than Smith? no, Kitna had Martz, Alex had Hostler therefore Alex should have a breakout season because whether we draft a rookie wr good enough to play our recieving corps aren't horrible anymore.

[Bdogg]

Kitna better than Smith? no, Kitna had Martz, Alex had Hostler therefore Alex should have a breakout season because whether we draft a rookie wr good enough to play our recieving corps aren't horrible anymore.

You might want to look up some stats on Mr. Kitna. He actually had a pretty good year his last season he started with the Bungles ( 2003 Cincinnati 16 87.4 324 520 62.3 3591 224.4 6.9 26 15 with NO MARTZ). What has Smith done again?

[Jcdawg23]

Even though we got Bruce and Johnson, neither are a deep threat. Lelie is a deep threat but thats it. He doesnt run good routes and has bad hands. Hill is unproven and Battle is just a hard worker. If we can a guy like Malcom Kelly, Limas Sweed, James Hardy, or that dude out of Kansas state I will be happy. We dont "HAVE" to take a wr in the first round, but if Limas Sweed or Malcom Kelly are there at 29 we should get them. If not then take someone with the 39 pick. Either way wee will take a WR with one of our first 2 picks. Our OL will be better this year and we will draft some OL help. I just think we can do it in the 3rd or 4th round

[49ersforlife5x]

Are you going to continue *****ing about this AFTER the draft, too?

If the 9ers draft some loser receiver with either 29 or 39 I will ***** for all eternity.

[Bdogg]

Even though we got Bruce and Johnson, neither are a deep threat. Lelie is a deep threat but thats it. He doesnt run good routes and has bad hands. Hill is unproven and Battle is just a hard worker. If we can a guy like Malcom Kelly, Limas Sweed, James Hardy, or that dude out of Kansas state I will be happy. We dont "HAVE" to take a wr in the first round, but if Limas Sweed or Malcom Kelly are there at 29 we should get them. If not then take someone with the 39 pick. Either way wee will take a WR with one of our first 2 picks. Our OL will be better this year and we will draft some OL help. I just think we can do it in the 3rd or 4th round

Well the drop off in talent in O-line, D-line, and OLB from the 1st to the 3rd is much larger that at the WR position. Why waste a pick on Sweed, Kelly in the ifrst when you can get Avery or Royall in the third?

[49ersforlife5x]

Even though we got Bruce and Johnson, neither are a deep threat. Lelie is a deep threat but thats it. He doesnt run good routes and has bad hands. Hill is unproven and Battle is just a hard worker. If we can a guy like Malcom Kelly, Limas Sweed, James Hardy, or that dude out of Kansas state I will be happy. We dont "HAVE" to take a wr in the first round, but if Limas Sweed or Malcom Kelly are there at 29 we should get them. If not then take someone with the 39 pick. Either way wee will take a WR with one of our first 2 picks. Our OL will be better this year and we will draft some OL help. I just think we can do it in the 3rd or 4th round

NO! Absolutely not! We need o line and pass rush D far more than wide receiver. Period!! NO exceptions. The message behind this thread I created is for someone to explain why a receiver would be a better choice than OT or pass rush.
How do you expect our o line to be better? It's terrible.
Did you read when buddy said "drafting a receiver is like a homeless man buying curtains"? That is dead-nuts true. Pointless and stupid. NO Excuse, no arguments.

[49ersforlife5x]

Well the drop off in talent in O-line, D-line, and OLB from the 1st to the 3rd is much larger that at the WR position. Why waste a pick on Sweed, Kelly in the ifrst when you can get Avery or Royall in the third?

Royal would be a great pick in the 3rd.

[Bdogg]

Royal would be a great pick in the 3rd.

I agree. Then we would have him and Hill as our future Wr's. Not to shnabby if you ask me.

[psychoj1016]

im still asking the question why draft a wr if the qb, whoever that may be, doesnt even have enough time to get the ball out of his hands, or with the def on the field all the time not being able to stop anybody.... what good is a wr if he doesnt get the chance to help the team out

[bakersfield49er]

I agree. Then we would have him and Hill as our future Wr's. Not to shnabby if you ask me.

I'd like BJ to become the face of our franchise as the #1 then Jason Hill #2 or Manningham if we draft him but i doubt we do so Hill. I doubt we draft Royal...has there even been a word about us being interested in them? This isn't what I want but I wouldn't be mad with is

1 - Groves, if he's there McCloughlan/Nolan will take him

2 - Doucet, like I've been saying I want Manningham here or not reciever here but Doucet isn't terrible. I wish we could grab Jordy Nelson in a later round but we haven't shown any interest that I'm aware of.

[49ersRus]

Please, somebody, explain how and why drafting a wide receiver in the first round is going to be the right pick.


Well, I want OL/DL for the first two picks.. However, it really depends on how the players grade out. If a WR drop's to us at #29 that grades out higher then any other player, then we will probably take him.

In this draft, I don't really think thats going to happen. BPA will most likely to be an OT/CB, but we won't know until draft day.

If a CB grades out higher then an available OL, then I think we have to grab him in the first. One draft is not going to turn us around from ranked 28th in the league to SB Champs. We need to stay disciplined and pick BPA for our top 2 or 3 picks. Eventually that will lead us to the promised land.

Odds have to be very high that we grab an OT in the first couple of picks, just because of the depth in this draft. The #29 OT will probably be a lot better then the OT at #39, because of the needs of the teams that pick between them. Which is going to make this an interesting draft for us.

[Max_Power]

Well, I want OL/DL for the first two picks.. However, it really depends on how the players grade out. If a WR drop's to us at #29 that grades out higher then any other player, then we will probably take him.

In this draft, I don't really think thats going to happen. BPA will most likely to be an OT/CB, but we won't know until draft day.

If a CB grades out higher then an available OL, then I think we have to grab him in the first. One draft is not going to turn us around from ranked 28th in the league to SB Champs. We need to stay disciplined and pick BPA for our top 2 or 3 picks. Eventually that will lead us to the promised land.

Odds have to be very high that we grab an OT in the first couple of picks, just because of the depth in this draft. The #29 OT will probably be a lot better then the OT at #39, because of the needs of the teams that pick between them. Which is going to make this an interesting draft for us.

:dootdoot:

Great post, it's just sad that anyone else will read it past "If a WR drop's to us at #29 that grades out higher then any other player, then we will probably take him."

[Jcdawg23]

The talent in the WR's this year isnt that great. If we wait until the 3rd or 4th round to try to get a guy, he will end up getting cut from the team any ways. I dont think any decent WR's will be left by the third round. We will draft a WR in the first or second round. If we dont draft a WR in the first round then we will get a OL in the first round. If we get a WR in the first round we will get a NT in the second and a OL in the third. If we dont draft a WR in the first or second then I think getting a guy in the 3rd is a waste of a pick. I really dont think Early Doucet or Eddie Royal will be there at the 12th pick in the 3rd.

Getting a big WR that can stretch the field will actually help the OL. If you dont have any good wr's, the Def. can just blitz all day. Putting 8 guy in the box and sending 6 guys to rush the QB is gunna make you OL look bad no matter what team you are. We need a WR that when that blitz comes, the QB can just throw up a prayer and know the big guy will come down with it. Thats why I like James Hardy or Malcolm Kelly. Once the Def. realizes they cant keep blitzing soo much, they will lay off a bit and our Running game can get going. Then the Def. will try to stop our running game and uh oh we can pass it again. Last year or WR core was very bad and there wasnt any one who could catch the ball or help our QB out. A lot of guys quit on routes, ran the wrong routes, or would drop perfect passes.

I dont think our QB situation or our OL situation is as bad as everyone thinks. With three youn WR's (Hill, Johnson, Rookie) we can continue to build the OL and our QB will look a lot better. I wouldnt be upset with an OL pick in the first round or a NT as long as we got a WR in the second.

[Jcdawg23]

I'd like BJ to become the face of our franchise as the #1 then Jason Hill #2 or Manningham if we draft him but i doubt we do so Hill. I doubt we draft Royal...has there even been a word about us being interested in them? This isn't what I want but I wouldn't be mad with is

1 - Groves, if he's there McCloughlan/Nolan will take him

2 - Doucet, like I've been saying I want Manningham here or not reciever here but Doucet isn't terrible. I wish we could grab Jordy Nelson in a later round but we haven't shown any interest that I'm aware of.

Thats the kid from Kansas State. I like him and think he will go late in the second. I dont think we can wait until the 3rd to get a decent WR.

[Max_Power]

Look, if Groves (pass rusher) and Otah, Albert and Cherilus are gone at #29 you can bet that we won't take a pass rusher or an O-lineman there. I'm sick and tired of this "b-b-but we have greater neeeeeeeds!!!11!!" banter. We are not going to reach for a player we can get at 39 either. If Kelly or Sweed are available at #29 and just so happen to be the BPA, we will take him. That's the way the draft works. Unless of course you want another Mike Rumph or Kwame Harris on the team. Is that what you want?

On my two round mock I have Hardy at #39. Does not necessarily mean I'm crazy for Hardy and think he is God-like? No. But if you look at my mock you can see where he would be the BPA.

Also, you treat WR like it is set for the next five years. Come on, get your head out of your *****.

-Bruce: Wouldn't be surprised to see him retire at the end of this season.
-Johnson: Signed a 1-year deal.
-Battle: Career slot, #3.
-Hill: Proved nothing so far. (Hopefully he develops, no guarantees though)
-Lelie: Has one year left on his contract.

What does that mean in a year?
We have TWO receivers on our roster and one hasn't proved anything and the other proved he is no better than a number three.

THIS year, we look fairly decent on paper at receiver, so stop treating this draft like it will determine this year and this year only. There is this thing called a "future" and we must also think about that.

[Bdogg]

The talent in the WR's this year isnt that great. If we wait until the 3rd or 4th round to try to get a guy, he will end up getting cut from the team any ways. I dont think any decent WR's will be left by the third round. We will draft a WR in the first or second round. If we dont draft a WR in the first round then we will get a OL in the first round. If we get a WR in the first round we will get a NT in the second and a OL in the third. If we dont draft a WR in the first or second then I think getting a guy in the 3rd is a waste of a pick. I really dont think Early Doucet or Eddie Royal will be there at the 12th pick in the 3rd.

Getting a big WR that can stretch the field will actually help the OL. If you dont have any good wr's, the Def. can just blitz all day. Putting 8 guy in the box and sending 6 guys to rush the QB is gunna make you OL look bad no matter what team you are. We need a WR that when that blitz comes, the QB can just throw up a prayer and know the big guy will come down with it. Thats why I like James Hardy or Malcolm Kelly. Once the Def. realizes they cant keep blitzing soo much, they will lay off a bit and our Running game can get going. Then the Def. will try to stop our running game and uh oh we can pass it again. Last year or WR core was very bad and there wasnt any one who could catch the ball or help our QB out. A lot of guys quit on routes, ran the wrong routes, or would drop perfect passes.

I dont think our QB situation or our OL situation is as bad as everyone thinks. With three youn WR's (Hill, Johnson, Rookie) we can continue to build the OL and our QB will look a lot better. I wouldnt be upset with an OL pick in the first round or a NT as long as we got a WR in the second.

Ok, last time I checked, you need time for the receiver to get down the field. If you have NO O-line, you have NO time. So again, how does a WR help the O-line? I don't mean to be a negative annie here, it's just that the WR's in the 3rd-4th rounds are not much different then the ones that are supposedly 1st rounders.

[Tovey21]

Ok, last time I checked, you need time for the receiver to get down the field. If you have NO O-line, you have NO time. So again, how does a WR help the O-line? I don't mean to be a negative annie here, it's just that the WR's in the 3rd-4th rounds are not much different then the ones that are supposedly 1st rounders.

The Cards had two number one Wr's and that didn't exactly help their terrible offensive line two years ago.

[Max_Power]

The Cards had two number one Wr's and that didn't exactly help their terrible offensive line two years ago.

But they still BOTH went to the Pro-Bowl behind that terrible line.

Let it be known that a great player will always be a great player no matter what the circumstance. Once again, that is why it is important to go down the BPA path. The last few times we reached for a need they sucked it up and some aren't even in the league already.

[Jcdawg23]

Ok, last time I checked, you need time for the receiver to get down the field. If you have NO O-line, you have NO time. So again, how does a WR help the O-line? I don't mean to be a negative annie here, it's just that the WR's in the 3rd-4th rounds are not much different then the ones that are supposedly 1st rounders.

What I was trying to say was that if the Def. can man up on all your WR's and then use the rest of the Def. to attack you QB, you cant expect the OL to hold on everyone. If we have a guy who can break the man to man coverage, he will be open and the QB wont need all that time to get the ball off. The Def. will see this and start playing more zone and only leaving 7 guys in the box to help cover the WR's. This will free up the run and Frank Gore will go ape $***. Once they have to account for the run again we can throw deep balls. I know we need a good OL, I dont think we need to draft more than 2 guys to do it. 1 guy either in the first or second, and another guy in a later round. We need a WR, maybe not in the first round, but definitly in the second. Only reason we should draft a WR in the first is if Malcom Kelly or Limas Sweed are still there. You could also make a case for James Hardy (if you havent realized my fav WR's in the draft are James Hardy and Malcom Kelly)

[49ersforlife5x]

im still asking the question why draft a wr if the qb, whoever that may be, doesnt even have enough time to get the ball out of his hands, or with the def on the field all the time not being able to stop anybody.... what good is a wr if he doesnt get the chance to help the team out

I'm with you all the way dude

[Jcdawg23]

Sometimes I dont like the BPA method. If the best player availabe is a RB or a LB, why would we draft him? I dont understand why everyone wants more and more OLB's, or a DE we can make a OLB. We need a NT, OL, and WR. We have enough LB's and shouldnt draft any more.

[Bdogg]

What I was trying to say was that if the Def. can man up on all your WR's and then use the rest of the Def. to attack you QB, you cant expect the OL to hold on everyone. If we have a guy who can break the man to man coverage, he will be open and the QB wont need all that time to get the ball off. The Def. will see this and start playing more zone and only leaving 7 guys in the box to help cover the WR's. This will free up the run and Frank Gore will go ape $***. Once they have to account for the run again we can throw deep balls. I know we need a good OL, I dont think we need to draft more than 2 guys to do it. 1 guy either in the first or second, and another guy in a later round. We need a WR, maybe not in the first round, but definitly in the second. Only reason we should draft a WR in the first is if Malcom Kelly or Limas Sweed are still there. You could also make a case for James Hardy (if you havent realized my fav WR's in the draft are James Hardy and Malcom Kelly)

Believe me, I understand that having threats at the receiver position helps out an offense greatly. I just feel that the WR's we would get at #29 aren't going to be that much better than the ones we could get in the 3rd or 4th. I know you should almost always draft BPA, but if I'm the guy making the picks and I see a position need rated player a couple of spots lower than a position want player, I'll go with the need, if and only if I feel that I can get the same value of that particular BPA later on.

[49ersforlife5x]

Well, I want OL/DL for the first two picks.. However, it really depends on how the players grade out. If a WR drop's to us at #29 that grades out higher then any other player, then we will probably take him.

In this draft, I don't really think thats going to happen. BPA will most likely to be an OT/CB, but we won't know until draft day.

If a CB grades out higher then an available OL, then I think we have to grab him in the first. One draft is not going to turn us around from ranked 28th in the league to SB Champs. We need to stay disciplined and pick BPA for our top 2 or 3 picks. Eventually that will lead us to the promised land.

Odds have to be very high that we grab an OT in the first couple of picks, just because of the depth in this draft. The #29 OT will probably be a lot better then the OT at #39, because of the needs of the teams that pick between them. Which is going to make this an interesting draft for us.

I don't really understand you, dude.
You're mock draft you list at the bottom is decent aside from Cason and Sims. Yet in this post you were talking about the BPA rule. I don't really go by that myself. I think our strategy should be a) AREAS OF NEED b) Players we can use in those areas of need.

The 2 biggest areas of need are o line and pass rush. And those have to be the 2 top picks.
Receiver is not the way to go. Can I remind people about a guy named Furrey. He was a practice squad safety who was converted into a wr. and led the nfc in catches in 06. I'm quite sure we could pull the same move with Martz. He can make that kind of thing work.
Absolutely NO to receiver at 29 or 39

[Jcdawg23]

Believe me, I understand that having threats at the receiver position helps out an offense greatly. I just feel that the WR's we would get at #29 aren't going to be that much better than the ones we could get in the 3rd or 4th. I know you should almost always draft BPA, but if I'm the guy making the picks and I see a position need rated player a couple of spots lower than a position want player, I'll go with the need, if and only if I feel that I can get the same value of that particular BPA later on.

I totaly agree with the BPA point you made. I dont see how getting a position we dont need over one we do need can help out. The only thing I dont agree with is that the WR's in the 3rd are as good as the guys in the 1st or 2nd. I think the talent level drops off a lot. My top 5 WR's are Limas Sweed, Malcom Kelly, James Hardy, Early Doucet, and Jordy Nelson. I think they all will be gone after the second round. If we feel we can get Jordy Nelson in the 3rd round im all for it.

[49ersforlife5x]

The talent in the WR's this year isnt that great. If we wait until the 3rd or 4th round to try to get a guy, he will end up getting cut from the team any ways. I dont think any decent WR's will be left by the third round. We will draft a WR in the first or second round. If we dont draft a WR in the first round then we will get a OL in the first round. If we get a WR in the first round we will get a NT in the second and a OL in the third. If we dont draft a WR in the first or second then I think getting a guy in the 3rd is a waste of a pick. I really dont think Early Doucet or Eddie Royal will be there at the 12th pick in the 3rd.

Getting a big WR that can stretch the field will actually help the OL. If you dont have any good wr's, the Def. can just blitz all day. Putting 8 guy in the box and sending 6 guys to rush the QB is gunna make you OL look bad no matter what team you are. We need a WR that when that blitz comes, the QB can just throw up a prayer and know the big guy will come down with it. Thats why I like James Hardy or Malcolm Kelly. Once the Def. realizes they cant keep blitzing soo much, they will lay off a bit and our Running game can get going. Then the Def. will try to stop our running game and uh oh we can pass it again. Last year or WR core was very bad and there wasnt any one who could catch the ball or help our QB out. A lot of guys quit on routes, ran the wrong routes, or would drop perfect passes.

I dont think our QB situation or our OL situation is as bad as everyone thinks. With three youn WR's (Hill, Johnson, Rookie) we can continue to build the OL and our QB will look a lot better. I wouldnt be upset with an OL pick in the first round or a NT as long as we got a WR in the second.

Oh god, here we go again.
What does "Stretch the field" actually mean? NOTHING!
How do you Stretch the field with this O line blocking?
How does stretching the field give our quarterback the time to deliver the ball?
"stretch the field" is right up there with "play maker on the outside" and "creating match-up Problems". Those sayings are all complete nonsense, they mean nothing.
How can you make any of that happen with piss poor blocking and a quarter back who is basically the "Picasso of check downs"?

[eldoniner]

Ideally I'd love to see Groves in the first, the best RT available in the second, and Rubin in the third. We have the talent on offense to be a good offensive team, we just need production which comes from maturity and solid coaching.

5x, while I'd like to see O Line addressed as well, I think your concerns are overblown. I honestly believe we will have a solid O Line next year, with staley-snyder-heitmann-baas-Jennings (with a rookie challenging him and being his understudy). The line started coming together at the end of last year, and now that we can fully utilize Staley's potential and put Snyder where he's best suited, we can have even a very good O Line.

[Bdogg]

I totaly agree with the BPA point you made. I dont see how getting a position we dont need over one we do need can help out. The only thing I dont agree with is that the WR's in the 3rd are as good as the guys in the 1st or 2nd. I think the talent level drops off a lot. My top 5 WR's are Limas Sweed, Malcom Kelly, James Hardy, Early Doucet, and Jordy Nelson. I think they all will be gone after the second round. If we feel we can get Jordy Nelson in the 3rd round im all for it.

You like the big receivers don't you, LOL. I do as well but with the type of offense we will be running this year, guys like Daucet (not to sure on him), Avery, and Royal would be ideal.

[Jcdawg23]

Oh god, here we go again.
What does "Stretch the field" actually mean? NOTHING!
How do you Stretch the field with this O line blocking?
How does stretching the field give our quarterback the time to deliver the ball?
"stretch the field" is right up there with "play maker on the outside" and "creating match-up Problems". Those sayings are all complete nonsense, they mean nothing.
How can you make any of that happen with piss poor blocking and a quarter back who is basically the "Picasso of check downs"?

You either ignorant or just plain stupid if you dont think any of those sayings are nonsense. "Stretching the field" means a guy making the DB's account for him going deep. This makes the middle of the field open so people like Vernon Davis or the slower WR's cand get open underneath. The OL only has to hold on for 3 seconds if we have good WR's. I think the guys we have on the OL are capeable enough to hold on for 3 seconds.

[49ersRus]

I don't really understand you, dude.
You're mock draft you list at the bottom is decent aside from Cason and Sims. Yet in this post you were talking about the BPA rule. I don't really go by that myself. I think our strategy should be a) AREAS OF NEED b) Players we can use in those areas of need.

The 2 biggest areas of need are o line and pass rush. And those have to be the 2 top picks.
Receiver is not the way to go. Can I remind people about a guy named Furrey. He was a practice squad safety who was converted into a wr. and led the nfc in catches in 06. I'm quite sure we could pull the same move with Martz. He can make that kind of thing work.
Absolutely NO to receiver at 29 or 39

Well, I want OL/DL every year. I am a big fan of the trenches. So I am very sympathetic to your arguments.

I just don't want to reach for a player. If OL and WR are about the same, I would go OL all of the way, but if there is a guy available who is clearly better then the OL guy, we have to pick them.

And no, BPA is not absolute. If BPA is a TE/ILB/QB, we will pass, or trade down with someone who needs it more then we do and is willing to pay us well for that pick.

BPA first, but if tied we go for need, and for me need is OL/DL/OLB.

[Jcdawg23]

You like the big receivers don't you, LOL. I do as well but with the type of offense we will be running this year, guys like Daucet (not to sure on him), Avery, and Royal would be ideal.

Thats what she said! haha. I dont like Doucet too much either. Avery, Royal, and any of the other guys I have mentioned will be good for our offense.

[Jcdawg23]

Im sorry if I burst everyones bubble, but Groves stock is moving up and I dont think he will be there at 29. He isnt the type of guy who will just fall in our lap that late in the draft. Oh Man I hope Glenn Dorsey falls to 29. Draft Glenn Dorsey!!!!

[Bdogg]

Thats what she said! haha. I dont like Doucet too much either. Avery, Royal, and any of the other guys I have mentioned will be good for our offense.

LOL. As far as Avery or Royal, I would love to land one of those guys in the third. My personal picks would go OLB (hopefully Groves), OL (BPA), then WR (Avery, Royal). I would be happy with that.

[49ersforlife5x]

You either ignorant or just plain stupid if you dont think any of those sayings are nonsense. "Stretching the field" means a guy making the DB's account for him going deep. This makes the middle of the field open so people like Vernon Davis or the slower WR's cand get open underneath. The OL only has to hold on for 3 seconds if we have good WR's. I think the guys we have on the OL are capeable enough to hold on for 3 seconds.

Do those same DB's genuinely think Smith can throw a deep ball?
He threw a 50+ yarder to Battle in Seattle 2 years ago, but Gumble and Collinsworth both said, "Trufant didn't think he could throw it that far and played underneath".
Davis? You think that guy can be a factor? I think that's a waste of 50 million.
Our O line? We got sacked on third down so many times, you actually could visualize it happening before the ball was even snapped.
Don't talk to me about being stupid or ignorant.
Stupid?! Look at your level of spelling, never mind what what you proceeded to say.
And, furthermore you didn't even answer the question. Just how does "stretching the field" make our o line better?

[Max_Power]

I don't really understand you, dude.
You're mock draft you list at the bottom is decent aside from Cason and Sims. Yet in this post you were talking about the BPA rule. I don't really go by that myself. I think our strategy should be a) AREAS OF NEED b) Players we can use in those areas of need.

The 2 biggest areas of need are o line and pass rush. And those have to be the 2 top picks.
Receiver is not the way to go. Can I remind people about a guy named Furrey. He was a practice squad safety who was converted into a wr. and led the nfc in catches in 06. I'm quite sure we could pull the same move with Martz. He can make that kind of thing work.
Absolutely NO to receiver at 29 or 39

The Chargers don't have an o-lineman on their roster that was taken in the first round.
The Bears didn't spend a 1st rounder on their secondary.
Willie Parker was undrafted.
Tom Brady was a 6th round draft pick.
The one Bond girl was actually a man first.
I just don't see your point!

[Jcdawg23]

I think some of the guys we have at that other OLB spot can do the job. I really dont think we need another OLB. It would be nice but I feel we need to make other positions better (OL,WR,DL) I think thats how our draft might go. OL first, WR second, and NT third. Maybe if good WR's look to be dropping to the third round then OL, NT, then WR. It all depends what happens on the draft day. Throwing out the idea completely of drafting a WR in the first or second round is just idiotic to me.

[Max_Power]

I think some of the guys we have at that other OLB spot can do the job. I really dont think we need another OLB. It would be nice but I feel we need to make other positions better (OL,WR,DL) I think thats how our draft might go. OL first, WR second, and NT third. Maybe if good WR's look to be dropping to the third round then OL, NT, then WR. It all depends what happens on the draft day. Throwing out the idea completely of drafting a WR in the first or second round is just idiotic to me.

Take a step back and look who you are dealing with.

[49ersforlife5x]

I think some of the guys we have at that other OLB spot can do the job. I really dont think we need another OLB. It would be nice but I feel we need to make other positions better (OL,WR,DL) I think thats how our draft might go. OL first, WR second, and NT third. Maybe if good WR's look to be dropping to the third round then OL, NT, then WR. It all depends what happens on the draft day. Throwing out the idea completely of drafting a WR in the first or second round is just idiotic to me.

Who? Haralson? TBC? If those two raced a snail to the quarterback, I'd double down on the snail getting the sack first.

[bakersfield49er]

Do those same DB's genuinely think Smith can throw a deep ball?
He threw a 50+ yarder to Battle in Seattle 2 years ago, but Gumble and Collinsworth both said, "Trufant didn't think he could throw it that far and played underneath".
Davis? You think that guy can be a factor? I think that's a waste of 50 million.
Our O line? We got sacked on third down so many times, you actually could visualize it happening before the ball was even snapped.
Don't talk to me about being stupid or ignorant.
Stupid?! Look at your level of spelling, never mind what what you proceeded to say.

Didn't Smith throw the ball 60 yards through his legs to get drafted...I'm pretty sure I read that..Smith has probably top 10 strongest arms in the NFL as a QB, to bad he has no supporting cast except Frank Gore but now we got BJ, Ike, Hill might play and our OL doesn't look absolutely horrible even without drafting somebody and people can improve over an offseason and we know we will probably get 2 OL atleast in this draft. As for VD I like him but when we took EJ away from Alex I think it hurt him because EJ was reliable but injury prone.

[ninersgold]

Do those same DB's genuinely think Smith can throw a deep ball?
He threw a 50+ yarder to Battle in Seattle 2 years ago, but Gumble and Collinsworth both said, "Trufant didn't think he could throw it that far and played underneath".
Davis? You think that guy can be a factor? I think that's a waste of 50 million.
Our O line? We got sacked on third down so many times, you actually could visualize it happening before the ball was even snapped.
Don't talk to me about being stupid or ignorant.
Stupid?! Look at your level of spelling, never mind what what you proceeded to say.
And, furthermore you didn't even answer the question. Just how does "stretching the field" make our o line better?

Yeah Alex Smith threw that 50+ yarder when his shoulder was f'd up too, I'm sure he could do better than that.

[Jcdawg23]

Do those same DB's genuinely think Smith can throw a deep ball?
He threw a 50+ yarder to Battle in Seattle 2 years ago, but Gumble and Collinsworth both said, "Trufant didn't think he could throw it that far and played underneath".
Davis? You think that guy can be a factor? I think that's a waste of 50 million.
Our O line? We got sacked on third down so many times, you actually could visualize it happening before the ball was even snapped.
Don't talk to me about being stupid or ignorant.
Stupid?! Look at your level of spelling, never mind what what you proceeded to say.
And, furthermore you didn't even answer the question. Just how does "stretching the field" make our o line better?

Everything you just mentioned is basically the OC's fault. When we are passing on every 3rd down, why not blitz a guy or two because the Def. knows it is comeing. Vernon hasn't had the ball thrown to him enough to be a huge factor. Alex is throwing the ball over 40 yards right now with a bum shoulder. Also, last time I checked this was a MB and we didn't need to spend as much time on speeling. If you want I can spell check everything for you and put my opinions in MLA format. haha:hoppy:

[Bdogg]

I think some of the guys we have at that other OLB spot can do the job. I really dont think we need another OLB. It would be nice but I feel we need to make other positions better (OL,WR,DL) I think thats how our draft might go. OL first, WR second, and NT third. Maybe if good WR's look to be dropping to the third round then OL, NT, then WR. It all depends what happens on the draft day. Throwing out the idea completely of drafting a WR in the first or second round is just idiotic to me.

I just want some pressure on the opposing QB. If that means bolstering up our D-line with #29 then I'm fine with that. I just don't know if there is a guy at the DT position that will be worth that pick. So, the next scenario is OLB for a pass rush. Groves is a pass rusher so he fit the bill. Now after him, I'm not sure there is a guy worthy of #29. I would then look to O-line. I have to believe with those 3 major needs, we will get somebody other than a WR.

[Jcdawg23]

Take a step back and look who you are dealing with.

Very, Very true. I got too heated and didn't realize who I was talking to. haha:falldownlaugh:

[49ersforlife5x]

Take a step back and look who you are dealing with.

I created this thread, and a few people have actually said they like a receiver high, but can't elaborate on how that would help our o line blocking. So, there's very little credibility there.
As for you, oh great hypocrite, you said earlier a bunch of names who were undrafted or drafted late.... yet you still like the receiver Idea?
How about Furrey? Undrafted Safety prospect leads NFC in receptions in first year on offense, Under Martz no less. Why draft a receiver when we could do this anytime? YES, ANYTIME!!!

[49ersforlife5x]

Very, Very true. I got too heated and didn't realize who I was talking to. haha:falldownlaugh:

You have yet to answer any questions, you just like to try sounding tough, and stupid.

[icedearth168]

NO! Absolutely not! We need o line and pass rush D far more than wide receiver. Period!! NO exceptions. The message behind this thread I created is for someone to explain why a receiver would be a better choice than OT or pass rush.
How do you expect our o line to be better? It's terrible.
Did you read when buddy said "drafting a receiver is like a homeless man buying curtains"? That is dead-nuts true. Pointless and stupid. NO Excuse, no arguments.

Ok, first of all based on whats likely to be there at 29 and 39 we probably will be best to take OL/DL, and I do agree dominant teams start in the trenches but....

I really think you are looking at this argument from a very skewed standpoint. If we were really high on a wr at 29 and picked him that would be cool with me too as long as the guy panned out. Because the thing is we would then adress other needs in the mid rounds. You make it sound like if we draft a WR in the first two rounds all is lost and we can't still salvage anything at other positions which is not the case. You cant tell me that if we draft a WR at 29 and then in rounds 2-7(other than 5) draft OL we wont be better at OL.

I just think its 10x more effective to draft good football players regardless of being a perfect fit for need. Take Willis last year, certainly not the most pressing need but we ended up picking a pretty good player and id say it worked out quite well for us. The same should apply to WRs, we will be a better football team if we can draft a good player, but thats obviously the challenge.

[Jcdawg23]

I just want some pressure on the opposing QB. If that means bolstering up our D-line with #29 then I'm fine with that. I just don't know if there is a guy at the DT position that will be worth that pick. So, the next scenario is OLB for a pass rush. Groves is a pass rusher so he fit the bill. Now after him, I'm not sure there is a guy worthy of #29. I would then look to O-line. I have to believe with those 3 major needs, we will get somebody other than a WR.

Yea, we do need to work on the pass rush. But isnt that why we got Justin Smith. I know im gunna get the old "he only had two sacks last year". Well look at the years past and also look at his Def. last year. I think Justin will have more than 6 sacks this next year. Also, Manny is a really good pass rusher. So if you have him and Justin going at the QB, we might get some penetration. I dont think Groves will be there at 29, but if he is I wouldn't be upset if we got him.:yes:

[ninersgold]

You have yet to answer any questions, you just like to try sounding tough, and stupid.

:thinking: Hmm...
Sound just like you 49ersforlife5x!

[Bdogg]

Take a step back and look who you are dealing with.

I'll tell you. Somebody who doesn't think Alex Smith is the answer and that building up our defense and O-line should be our top priorities in the first 2 rounds. Not to mention, not agreeing with people who want to draft a player who will most likely not be starting anyway. Is that a bad thing?

[Jcdawg23]

You have yet to answer any questions, you just like to try sounding tough, and stupid.

I guess you haven't been reading my posts. I have said why I believe a young WR in the first or second round would help our OL. Just because your too ignorant or worried about my spelling to understand it doesn't mean I never answered you.

[49ersforlife5x]

Everything you just mentioned is basically the OC's fault. When we are passing on every 3rd down, why not blitz a guy or two because the Def. knows it is comeing. Vernon hasn't had the ball thrown to him enough to be a huge factor. Alex is throwing the ball over 40 yards right now with a bum shoulder. Also, last time I checked this was a MB and we didn't need to spend as much time on speeling. If you want I can spell check everything for you and put my opinions in MLA format. haha:hoppy:

You called me stupid and ignorant before. I can't take a guy seriously when he can't spell. That casts very serious doubt about your intellect and education level.

[49ersforlife5x]

I guess you haven't been reading my posts. I have said why I believe a young WR in the first or second round would help our OL. Just because your too ignorant or worried about my spelling to understand it doesn't mean I never answered you.

You did no such thing. How in gods name do you propose a receiver will make our o line better?

[49ersforlife5x]

I'll tell you. Somebody who doesn't think Alex Smith is the answer and that building up our defense and O-line should be our top priorities in the first 2 rounds. Not to mention, not agreeing with people who want to draft a player who will most likely not be starting anyway. Is that a bad thing?

In case you haven't noticed yet, my friend, there are a lot of real winners on this board.
I just can't imagine being so blind.

[Bdogg]

Yea, we do need to work on the pass rush. But isnt that why we got Justin Smith. I know im gunna get the old "he only had two sacks last year". Well look at the years past and also look at his Def. last year. I think Justin will have more than 6 sacks this next year. Also, Manny is a really good pass rusher. So if you have him and Justin going at the QB, we might get some penetration. I dont think Groves will be there at 29, but if he is I wouldn't be upset if we got him.:yes:

Well I personally don't think Justin Smith is going to help us too much in that department (d-line sacks). Our defense is set up for the D-line to occupy multiple O-linemen so our LB's can rome free and cause havoc. That is what the 3-4 is about. Having a DT in the 3-4, that can force 2 guys into the backfield (ala Richard Seymore) and get sacks is rare. I don't think Smith will be that guy for us. Just my opinion on him.

[ninersgold]

Yea, we do need to work on the pass rush. But isnt that why we got Justin Smith. I know im gunna get the old "he only had two sacks last year". Well look at the years past and also look at his Def. last year. I think Justin will have more than 6 sacks this next year. Also, Manny is a really good pass rusher. So if you have him and Justin going at the QB, we might get some penetration. I dont think Groves will be there at 29, but if he is I wouldn't be upset if we got him.:yes:

Justin Smith doesn't get sacks, he pushes the o-line backwards though, which puts pressure on QBs and stops the run very nicely.Groves would be great to have because in the 3-4 the LBs are the blitzing attackers, ROLB is the most used for blitzing in the 3-4. Groves would be/could be our version of Demarcus Ware... a 10-12 sacks a year type of guy. Not to mention we have great coaches for the LB spot with Manusky knowing a lot about OLBs and Singletary whippin everyone into shape and working great on ILBs, we should be fine.

Just remember we are going BPA, because acording to Mcloughan we are solid everywhere on the roster and don't have major needs.

That's BS, but that's what the draft is for. Lot's of franchise's talking BS and lying and doing the complete opposite of what they said on draft day. They also said we won't trade up, that could also be BS.

[Jcdawg23]

I'll tell you. Somebody who doesn't think Alex Smith is the answer and that building up our defense and O-line should be our top priorities in the first 2 rounds. Not to mention, not agreeing with people who want to draft a player who will most likely not be starting anyway. Is that a bad thing?

You have the same view points as that guy, but you listen to what others have to say. He ignores what people say and just repeat himself over and over again. I dont mind people saying we shouldn't draft a WR in the first round. I hope we do, either the first or second. But tell me why we shouldn't and why it would be so bad. It isnt like we cant get quality guys in later rounds for the OL and NT. I really wouldn't be upset with who we draft, as long as we get guys who will eventually make an impact.

[Jcdawg23]

Hey if Justin Smith can push guys back and let Manny and who ever is the other OLB get sacks, i will be happy. I just think Smith will at least get 5 or 6 sacks during the season. While pushing guys back and closeing the pocket, the qb will try to run away and Smith can get ahold of some jersey.

[ninersgold]

You did no such thing. How in gods name do you propose a receiver will make our o line better?

Uh Oh!
:cop:
Grammar Police we have a problem

49ersforlife5x is being ignorant by saying he doesn't listen to people who can't spell, yet he just happens to make one of the biggest mistakes!

gods

It's supposed to be God's

Capital letter and the apostrophe!

:yikes:
You sir are the true hypocrite!

[49ersforlife5x]

You have the same view points as that guy, but you listen to what others have to say. He ignores what people say and just repeat himself over and over again. I dont mind people saying we shouldn't draft a WR in the first round. I hope we do, either the first or second. But tell me why we shouldn't and why it would be so bad. It isnt like we cant get quality guys in later rounds for the OL and NT. I really wouldn't be upset with who we draft, as long as we get guys who will eventually make an impact.

Oh come on now, I listen to others and I give them their props when they're right.
But the thesis to my thread is O line related, and I do not believe for a second that a receiver will help anything on this team at all. We can do so much better with 2 top 40 picks.

[Jcdawg23]

Uh Oh!
:cop:
Grammar Police we have a problem

49ersforlife5x is being ignorant by saying he doesn't listen to people who can't spell, yet he just happens to make one of the biggest mistakes!

gods

It's supposed to be God's

Capital letter and the apostrophe!

:yikes:
You sir are the true hypocrite!

HAHA!:yes: :falldownlaugh:

[ninersgold]

Here is a description of 49ersforlife5x...
A person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he does not actually possess.

[Jcdawg23]

Oh come on now, I listen to others and I give them their props when they're right.
But the thesis to my thread is O line related, and I do not believe for a second that a receiver will help anything on this team at all. We can do so much better with 2 top 40 picks.

You are soo right. What was I thinking. I forgot having a good WR on a team that had the worst WR core in the league would do nothing.

[49ersforlife5x]

Uh Oh!
:cop:
Grammar Police we have a problem

49ersforlife5x is being ignorant by saying he doesn't listen to people who can't spell, yet he just happens to make one of the biggest mistakes!

gods

It's supposed to be God's

Capital letter and the apostrophe!

:yikes:
You sir are the true hypocrite!

Haha, you tried to correct me and still got it wrong!! GOD's is a contraction, and infers God is, if anything it should be GODS', inferring that which belongs to God. And for the record, I simply forgot to put in my apostrophe.
Take that, hypocrite!

[ninersgold]

Oh come on now, I listen to others and I give them their props when they're right.
But the thesis to my thread is O line related, and I do not believe for a second that a receiver will help anything on this team at all. We can do so much better with 2 top 40 picks.

They are only right when they agree with you!:bat:

[ninersgold]

Haha, you tried to correct me and still got it wrong!! GOD's is a contraction, and infers God is, if anything it should be GODS', inferring that which belongs to God. And for the record, I simply forgot to put in my apostrophe.
Take that, hypocrite!

Yes I simply forgot to put the apostrophe at the end of Gods, thanks.

[Jcdawg23]

I told yall what I think and how a WR would help us out. Most got it, some people must have turned off their cpu's while I posted my thoughts but thats ok. I just think we will draft a WR in the 1st or 2nd and it will help us out a lot.

[ninersgold]

I told yall what I think and how a WR would help us out. Most got it, some people must have turned off their cpu's while I posted my thoughts but thats ok. I just think we will draft a WR in the 1st or 2nd and it will help us out a lot.

I'm hoping second.

[Bdogg]

Hey if Justin Smith can push guys back and let Manny and who ever is the other OLB get sacks, i will be happy. I just think Smith will at least get 5 or 6 sacks during the season. While pushing guys back and closeing the pocket, the qb will try to run away and Smith can get ahold of some jersey.

If he get's that many sacks, I will be very impressed. I just don't have those expectations from him. I only expect him to take on 2 blockers to free up the LB's. As far as your earlier post re: why I think we don't need a WR that early, it goes back to my post earlier. The talent level is not there later in the draft. We both agree that getting a guy like Avery in the 3rd would be a great pick up. With that said, I don't think you get a guy like Groves that late as well as the top rated OT's.

[Jcdawg23]

They are only right when they agree with you!:bat:

Those are the type of people I hate talking to. You can only get props or a "hey maybe your right" if you agree with him. He wants everyone to be "yes men" to him so he Seems to be right.

[49ersforlife5x]

You are soo right. What was I thinking. I forgot having a good WR on a team that had the worst WR core in the league would do nothing.

Ok, now you're just being a retard all together. We have 2 new starters at receiver for this year already. And I don't know how you can evaluate our receivers when our qb sucks and our o line gave up the most sacks in the league.

SO, I'll say it again, the ball doesn't just magically teleport into the receivers hands. The quarterback has to be able to throw, and the o line has to be able to block, before a receiver even has a job to perform.
It's actually quite a simple concept.

[ninersgold]

Here is a description of 49ersforlife5x...
A person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he does not actually possess.

Here is description 2...
An utterly foolish or senseless person.

and 3...
A person of the lowest order in a former classification of mental retardation, having a mental age of less than three years old and an intelligence quotient under 25.

That is today's final episode of definition of 49ersforlife5x...
:thankyou: Thank You everybody!

[Jcdawg23]

If he get's that many sacks, I will be very impressed. I just don't have those expectations from him. I only expect him to take on 2 blockers to free up the LB's. As far as your earlier post re: why I think we don't need a WR that early, it goes back to my post earlier. The talent level is not there later in the draft. We both agree that getting a guy like Avery in the 3rd would be a great pick up. With that said, I don't think you get a guy like Groves that late as well as the top rated OT's.

We got Hill last year in the 3rd with the 11th pick, and he got hurt and only had 1 catch. I do agree Avery would be nice, but I dont know if he will be there. I like having "what if" conversations, but what we will have to do is see how the draft unfolds. I hope we can get a good WR with our 3rd pick, I just dont see it happening.

[49ersforlife5x]

Yes I simply forgot to put the apostrophe at the end of Gods, thanks.

That's so Awesome!! You tried to correct me and make me look dumb, and you screwed it up even harder than I did. Hahahahahahahahahaahahahahaha
You're terrible! I doubt you even understand what a contraction is.

[Jcdawg23]

Here is a description of 49ersforlife5x...
A person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he does not actually possess.

Here is description 2...
An utterly foolish or senseless person.

and 3...
A person of the lowest order in a former classification of mental retardation, having a mental age of less than three years old and an intelligence quotient under 25.

That is today's final episode of definition of 49ersforlife5x...
:thankyou: Thank You everybody!

With the IQ of a toaster oven.

[ninersgold]

We got Hill last year in the 3rd with the 11th pick, and he got hurt and only had 1 catch. I do agree Avery would be nice, but I dont know if he will be there. I like having "what if" conversations, but what we will have to do is see how the draft unfolds. I hope we can get a good WR with our 3rd pick, I just dont see it happening.

I don't think we are going to take Avery he didn't show much at the Senior Bowl. He had trouble with route running with ...
Jerry Sullivan

Basically he is a one trick pony and that is he is a deep downfield threat with ridiclous speed (4.2 40), and below average hands. He dropped passes at the Senior Bowl in practice too.

[icedearth168]

I told yall what I think and how a WR would help us out. Most got it, some people must have turned off their cpu's while I posted my thoughts but thats ok. I just think we will draft a WR in the 1st or 2nd and it will help us out a lot.

As did I, im starting to think the guy didnt want a debate, he wanted a spat.

[Bdogg]

We got Hill last year in the 3rd with the 11th pick, and he got hurt and only had 1 catch. I do agree Avery would be nice, but I dont know if he will be there. I like having "what if" conversations, but what we will have to do is see how the draft unfolds. I hope we can get a good WR with our 3rd pick, I just dont see it happening.

Well look at it this way, if all the receivers, get taken early and often, there will be plenty of guys for us on the D-line and O-line, LOL. As far as Hill, Nolan does not know a whole lot about offense. Hill was not injured all year. He didn't play because our OC was inept and didn't know what he was doing. Lelie never played either and he's pretty good. Give Hill a chance. He might actually impress you a little.

[49ersforlife5x]

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Here is description 2...
An utterly foolish or senseless person.

and 3...
A person of the lowest order in a former classification of mental retardation, having a mental age of less than three years old and an intelligence quotient under 25.

That is today's final episode of definition of 49ersforlife5x...
:thankyou: Thank You everybody!

OOOOOOOOOHHHHHHH!!!! That sounds like sour grapes, right there.
This from the guy who thinks he's going to upstage me, and make me look dumb, when he can't even get his own preachings right? That's so awesome dude.
Didn't R. Kelly make a song about you? You know, the whole "worlds greatest" crap...
And just for the record, your little description couldn't be further off.

[Jcdawg23]

Well look at it this way, if all the receivers, get taken early and often, there will be plenty of guys for us on the D-line and O-line, LOL. As far as Hill, Nolan does not know a whole lot about offense. Hill was not injured all year. He didn't play because our OC was inept and didn't know what he was doing. Lelie never played either and he's pretty good. Give Hill a chance. He might actually impress you a little.

Dont get me wrong I like Hill. I cant wait for him to get some playing time. I just think with Bruce and Johnson here now, he wont get much PT. If we get a WR in the draft we could go to a 4 WR set. Bruce, Hill, Johnson, Rookie. IDK but im excited to see what we do in the draft.

[Jcdawg23]

OOOOOOOOOHHHHHHH!!!! That sounds like sour grapes, right there.
This from the guy who thinks he's going to upstage me, and make me look dumb, when he can't even get his own preachings right? That's so awesome dude.
Didn't R. Kelly make a song about you? You know, the whole "worlds greatest" crap...
And just for the record, your little description couldn't be further off.

You are such a ****ing retard. Go **** yourself! Are you on crack? Hardy will be available until the Steelers take him in round 2. And that is a reach for a stupid *** hole with bad character, and average athleticism.

It seems to me all you do is go to different threads and find people to talk down to. Lets just forget the topic and talk trash to each other!:dootdoot:

[49ersforlife5x]

With the IQ of a toaster oven.

Oh lord, Look who's talking.
This guy has the IQ of a protozoan or and amoeba at best.
By the way, without looking it up, I doubt you even know What IQ stands for.

[49ersforlife5x]

It seems to me all you do is go to different threads and find people to talk down to. Lets just forget the topic and talk trash to each other!:dootdoot:

That's really more a MR. WEBBER thing. My game is to speak my mind, and retaliate to stupid people with ridiculous, often perverse, comments. I do it really well, too.

[ninersgold]

OOOOOOOOOHHHHHHH!!!! That sounds like sour grapes, right there.
This from the guy who thinks he's going to upstage me, and make me look dumb, when he can't even get his own preachings right? That's so awesome dude.
Didn't R. Kelly make a song about you? You know, the whole "worlds greatest" crap...
And just for the record, your little description was deadly accurate how did you know I had the IQ less than that of a three year old.

FIXED

Didn't Dave Chapelle make a song for you, while making fun of R Kelley?

I think it was...
"I want to Piss On YOU!"

[Jcdawg23]

intelligence quotient?

[ninersgold]

That's really more a MR. WEBBER thing. My game is to speak my mind, and retaliate to stupid people with ridiculous, often perverse, comments. I do it really well, too.

:falldownlaugh:
This the most ironic ****.

[Jcdawg23]

Alright guys, I gave you my .2, have fun talking trash with 49ersforlife5x. I doubt any of your comments will get through his thick skull.:thinking:

[49ersforlife5x]

FIXED

Didn't Dave Chapelle make a song for you, while making fun of R Kelley?

I think it was...
"I want to Piss On YOU!"

Yes and he also did the Piss on you remix, which was a spoof on R. Kellys' Ignition.
Maybe the R. Kelly song you're most inclined to is "Trapped in the Closet"

[49ersforlife5x]

:falldownlaugh:
This the most ironic ****.

Hey, at least I'm honest.
Am I wrong? That is a WEBBER thing, and I'm right on about my game.

[49ersforlife5x]

Alright guys, I gave you my .2, have fun talking trash with 49ersforlife5x. I doubt any of your comments will get through his thick skull.:thinking:

Wait a minute. Did you say .2? Is that supposed to be your "20 cents worth"?

hahahahahahahaahahah!! You don't even know how to illustrate your 2 cents?

[Bdogg]

Dont get me wrong I like Hill. I cant wait for him to get some playing time. I just think with Bruce and Johnson here now, he wont get much PT. If we get a WR in the draft we could go to a 4 WR set. Bruce, Hill, Johnson, Rookie. IDK but im excited to see what we do in the draft.

Then we lose out on Davis. Ok, I was just being a butt, LOL. I would love a 4 wide look with a new rook in there. It's just not going to be in the #1 or #2 slot. Of course who knows what will happen in TC. We lose a guy (please no) and anything is possible.

[ninersgold]

Yes and he also did the Piss on you remix, which was a spoof on R. Kellys' Ignition.
Maybe the R. Kelly song you're most inclined to is "Trapped in the Closet"

Which one? There are a bunch of them...

:slap:

:backsout: >>>>>>>> 49ersforlife5x

The reason I'm trapped in the closet is because I saw your avatar and backed into it!

[verbicide]

Uh Oh!
:cop:
Grammar Police we have a problem

49ersforlife5x is being ignorant by saying he doesn't listen to people who can't spell, yet he just happens to make one of the biggest mistakes!

gods

It's supposed to be God's

Capital letter and the apostrophe!

:yikes:
You sir are the true hypocrite!


By not using the capital letter when writing god, it means you're referring to god as a social construct, as opposed to God the person. The non-use of an apostrophe is absolutely shocking though. I am offended by it.

[49ersforlife5x]

Which one? There are a bunch of them...

:slap:

:backsout: >>>>>>>> 49ersforlife5x

The reason I'm trapped in the closet is because I saw your avatar and backed into it!

Don't be bad mouthing my boy Billy Mays, now. He'd pound the crap out of Ron Popeil.

[ninersgold]

Wait a minute. Did you say .2? Is that supposed to be your "20 cents worth"?

hahahahahahahaahahah!! You don't even know how to illustrate your 2 cents?

Here is how I illustrate mine...
:two cents:

[49ersforlife5x]

By not using the capital letter when writing god, it means you're referring to god as a social construct, as opposed to God the person. The non-use of an apostrophe is absolutely shocking though. I am offended by it.

Good Stuff dude. Educating the world one NINER fan at a time.

[ninersgold]

Isn't this bashing of each other...
:N1offtopic:

"Why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends..."
:friends:
This image above would/will never happen even if I actually meet 49ersforlife5x in person.

[49ersforlife5x]

Here is how I illustrate mine...
:two cents:

You see, dude, I've always believed it's ok to be a jerk as long as you can take a joke as well as you can give one.
If being cocky is your thing, that's cool, as long as you are your own biggest critic as well.

[ninersgold]

Good Stuff dude. Educating the world one NINER fan at a time.

Yeah but you offended him without the apostrophe! :down:

Grammar/Spelling= :pullhair:
j/k
I actually like English class

[49ersforlife5x]

Isn't this bashing of each other...
:N1offtopic:

"Why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends..."
:friends:
This image above would/will never happen even if I actually meet 49ersforlife5x in person.

A lot of guys on this board have become used to my shtik. I write something, they read it, laugh as they shake their heads, and respond. Just know if you say something dumb in return, IT'S ON!!

[ninersgold]

You see, dude, I've always believed it's ok to be a jerk as long as you can take a joke as well as you can give one.
If being cocky is your thing, that's cool, as long as you are your own biggest critic as well.
I know I know, when I make mistakes...
:gunshoot:

No I just kind of hate myself, but this is a message board...

So...
:tease:

[49ersforlife5x]

I know I know, when I make mistakes...
:gunshoot:

No I just kind of hate myself, but this is a message board...

So...
:tease:

Come on, dude, I have Billy Mays as my avitar. You have to be loud, and often full of crap, to do that.

[ninersgold]

Come on, dude, I have Billy Mays as my avitar. You have to be loud, and often full of crap, to do that.

Only to people who kind of act like *** holes...
No offense but you come off that way based on your posts.

[49ersforlife5x]

Only to people who kind of act like *** holes...
No offense but you come off that way based on your posts.

When people believe what I perceive to be such complete nonsense, I have to throw it out there. Like this thread, for example, I'm tired of people talking about spending either 29 or 39 on a receiver. It's not happening. There are just too many needs and better players available to piss either of those away. I do think though, we'll trade up from 39.

[ninersgold]

When people believe what I perceive to be such complete nonsense, I have to throw it out there. Like this thread, for example, I'm tired of people talking about spending either 29 or 39 on a receiver. It's not happening. There are just too many needs and better players available to piss either of those away. I do think though, we'll trade up from 39.

Nobody knows dude, nobody knows what we will do. I think we will get a WR in the second round or third round. But I'm not Scot Mcloughan, who knows what he will do. That's why people disagree with you, you are saying it as a bold statement that we will not draft a WR in rounds 1-2. If you had said it in a different way, maybe you would have had different reactions. You are saying it won't happen with out any proof. You should have said something like "I don't think we should" , instead of" IT WON'T HAPPEN"

You come off as an arogant guy who thinks he knows it all, instead of you trying to get your opinion out.

[eldoniner]

You called me stupid and ignorant before. I can't take a guy seriously when he can't spell. That casts very serious doubt about your intellect and education level.

Actually spelling ability is shown to have no correlation to intelligence. We all have our vices. His is spelling, yours is acting like a douche to people who disagree with you.

[ninersgold]

Actually spelling ability is shown to have no correlation to intelligence. We all have our vices. His is spelling, yours is acting like a douche to people who disagree with you.

:falldownlaugh:
See You come off as an arogant ***!

[Jcdawg23]

Actually spelling ability is shown to have no correlation to intelligence. We all have our vices. His is spelling, yours is acting like a douche to people who disagree with you.

HAHAHAHA!!!! Did I spell that right?:hoppy:

[ninersgold]

HAHAHAHA!!!! Did I spell that right?:hoppy:

No there should be spaces! :hoppy:

[Jcdawg23]

No there should be spaces! :hoppy:

Darn it!!! Here he comes to bash me on my spelling again!

[ninersgold]

Darn it!!! Here he comes to bash me on my spelling again!

:falldownlaugh:

[Nelson]

I've just read through this thread and I have to say :slap: :slap: :slap: !
If you looked at this from the outside you'd think that we were a bunch of NFL fans who supported different teams. No-one would believe we all followed the same ****in team!!!

What is the problem with people just not accepting other people's opinion and agreeing to disagree, and when it starts getting personal and into childish ****e like name calling I'm quite happy to sit there and say to myself "Im glad I'm above all the crap"!!!

Pluos em gitting proty fooked ovv wiv peopllee tinking weare attt schoooool annnd complaneing aboot eferybody's fooking spelling and punctuation! ef yaw ave a problim wif my spolling i dint give a fook so get de ell oot of my fase and go on sum spilling ond punktooation webbsite and complain dare!!!

Get the **** over it muppets!!!

[Jcdawg23]

I've just read through this thread and I have to say :slap: :slap: :slap: !
If you looked at this from the outside you'd think that we were a bunch of NFL fans who supported different teams. No-one would believe we all followed the same ****in team!!!

What is the problem with people just not accepting other people's opinion and agreeing to disagree, and when it starts getting personal and into childish ****e like name calling I'm quite happy to sit there and say to myself "Im glad I'm above all the crap"!!!

Pluos em gitting proty fooked ovv wiv peopllee tinking weare attt schoooool annnd complaneing aboot eferybody's fooking spelling and punctuation! ef yaw ave a problim wif my spolling i dint give a fook so get de ell oot of my fase and go on sum spilling ond punktooation webbsite and complain dare!!!

Get the **** over it muppets!!!

Thank you!! I tried saying that a couple of times!!:worthy: As for myself, I am ashamed. You really couldn't tell a lot of these people on here we 49er fans considering how they bash just about everyone on the team.

[Jcdawg23]

Back to the topic at hand. We need to get a WR in the first or second round. Lets talk about it!

[ninersgold]

I've just read through this thread and I have to say :slap: :slap: !
If you looked at this from the outside you'd think that we were a bunch of NFL fans who supported different teams. No-one would believe we all followed the same ****in team!!!

What is the problem with people just not accepting other people's opinion and agreeing to disagree, and when it starts getting personal and into childish ****e like name calling I'm quite happy to sit there and say to myself "Im glad I'm above all the crap"!!!

Pluos em gitting proty fooked ovv wiv peopllee tinking weare attt schoooool annnd complaneing aboot eferybody's fooking spelling and punctuation! ef yaw ave a problim wif my spolling i dint give a fook so get de ell oot of my fase and go on sum spilling ond punktooation webbsite and complain dare!!!

Get the **** over it muppets!!!

:backtoglory49:


:elmo:

[Nelson]

Back to the topic at hand. We need to get a WR in the first or second round. Lets talk about it!

I want this to happen.

1, Cherilus
2, Trade down a few spots and try to pick up a late 3rd and take Avril late 2nd.
3a, Cousins
3b Rubin.

Note that I havent got reciever in there cause personnally I dont see being a huge need at the moment. I think we'll get good productivity out of Bruce for a year at least and I have a feeling that Johnson and Hill are going to be our future at WR. I just want us to get better in the trenches and have a credible pass rush. If the WR's dont pan out this season then we can look at that next year (not sure about next years propects). I just dont see wr being above o-line d-line and pass rush.

[Jcdawg23]

I like building the OL and DL to, I just think that Bruce will probly be gone after this year. If Johnson has a good year then other teams will want him. They might be willing to pay more than we want to. I think Hill can and will be one of our future WR's, but im not too sure on Johnson. Thats why I think we go ahead and draft a WR this year and if we lose out on Johnson next year, we got a guy already with a year of exp. who can take over. IDK what will happen but im ready for it to get here already.

[Bdogg]

I want this to happen.

1, Cherilus
2, Trade down a few spots and try to pick up a late 3rd and take Avril late 2nd.
3a, Cousins
3b Rubin.

Note that I havent got reciever in there cause personnally I dont see being a huge need at the moment. I think we'll get good productivity out of Bruce for a year at least and I have a feeling that Johnson and Hill are going to be our future at WR. I just want us to get better in the trenches and have a credible pass rush. If the WR's dont pan out this season then we can look at that next year (not sure about next years propects). I just dont see wr being above o-line d-line and pass rush.

I like the stats on that Avril kid. I didn't get to watch him play though. Any insight?

[Nelson]

I dont think that if Johnson has a good year he'll be gone. I think that if he has a good first 10 or 12 games we'll look to sign him long to a long term deal.

[Jcdawg23]

I dont think that if Johnson has a good year he'll be gone. I think that if he has a good first 10 or 12 games we'll look to sign him long to a long term deal.

I hope so, I really dont mind what we do as long as I dont have to argue with the Panthers fans around here on which team is better. Go 49ers!

[Nelson]

I like the stats on that Avril kid. I didn't get to watch him play though. Any insight?

I havent seen much of him either but from second hand he sounds like the next best pass rushing lb behind Groves. I liked what I saw at the combine though, he looks a perfect fit at olb instead of Banta-Cant. I dont think Groves will be there at 29 so I like Avril in the second.

[SB49er4life]

Please, somebody, explain how and why drafting a wide receiver in the first round is going to be the right pick.

With our qb situation looking so bad, and our O line being pathetic, I think it's very VERY naive to think a receiver is going to "open up" Martz's offense. If you think that, you must not understand the dynamic of offensive football.
The battle is won up front, Always.

There is nothing wrong with the receivers we have. We spent good money on guys like Davis, Lelie, Johnson.... Let's get our mileage out of those guys.

There are a lot of guys on this board who keep going on about receivers, they see nothing wrong with our o line or pass rush.
I need one of these guys to explain their thought process to me.
It seems those guys don't understand the ball doesn't just magically teleport into the receivers hands.
The quarterback has to be able to throw, the o line has to be able to block.
The receivers are really the 3rd piece of that puzzle.

If a WR is the best football player on the board, then it is the right pick.

If the best player on the board is an OL, OLB, DE, NT... then they are the right pick.

Anything you're still not sure about ?

[49ersforlife5x]

Thank you!! I tried saying that a couple of times!!:worthy: As for myself, I am ashamed. You really couldn't tell a lot of these people on here we 49er fans considering how they bash just about everyone on the team.

I don't bash everyone on the team, we have a couple of good players.
Gore, Battle, Willis, Clements, Walt Harris, Both Michael and Keith Lewis, Lawson, and Justin Smith. The o line is a joke, quarterbacks are even worse... Coach sucks monkey nuts....

[49ersforlife5x]

If a WR is the best football player on the board, then it is the right pick.

If the best player on the board is an OL, OLB, DE, NT... then they are the right pick.

Anything you're still not sure about ?

Wow, you spent all day arguing about receivers and now you put in your statement everything but... All those things you listed are genuine areas of need without question. Receiver is not. Under any circumstance.
We need help at qb more than receiver.

[49ersforlife5x]

I want this to happen.

1, Cherilus
2, Trade down a few spots and try to pick up a late 3rd and take Avril late 2nd.
3a, Cousins
3b Rubin.

Note that I havent got reciever in there cause personnally I dont see being a huge need at the moment. I think we'll get good productivity out of Bruce for a year at least and I have a feeling that Johnson and Hill are going to be our future at WR. I just want us to get better in the trenches and have a credible pass rush. If the WR's dont pan out this season then we can look at that next year (not sure about next years propects). I just dont see wr being above o-line d-line and pass rush.

I agree with everything you said, but I'm thinking the niners will trade up from 39 to get another late first.

[49ersforlife5x]

Well, through almost 150 posts on this thread, nobody yet has explained how a receiver is going to help this team. There's a lot of arguing and convoluted Bull****, but nobody can explain to me that conundrum. Our o line is a mess and we can't complete passes anyway. Well I guess Smith can complete check downs, but we only need Running backs for that...

[ninersgold]

I don't bash everyone on the team, we have a couple of good players.
Gore, Battle, Willis, Clements, Walt Harris, Both Michael and Keith Lewis, Lawson, and Justin Smith. The o line is a joke, quarterbacks are even worse... Coach sucks monkey nuts....

You suck. No wonder people say SF has ****ty fans.

[ninersgold]

Well, through almost 150 posts on this thread, nobody yet has explained how a receiver is going to help this team. There's a lot of arguing and convoluted Bull****, but nobody can explain to me that conundrum. Our o line is a mess and we can't complete passes anyway. Well I guess Smith can complete check downs, but we only need Running backs for that...

A WR could actually catch the ball for once. Getting open would be nice. It would help Alex Smith too, have a good target to throw to.

[49ersforlife5x]

You suck. No wonder people say SF has ****ty fans.

Why do you say I suck? I'm honest. I just told you the good players we have, and what's wrong with this team.

[49ersforlife5x]

A WR could actually catch the ball for once. Getting open would be nice. It would help Alex Smith too, have a good target to throw to.

Who's gonna block for Smith?? O line still blows. M ROB?? Nolan hates him.

[ninersgold]

Who's gonna block for Smith?? O line still blows. M ROB?? Nolan hates him.

YOU ASKED HOW A WR WOULD HELP, not o-linemen, I answered your question now you are changing the subject!
Sneaky!... :ph34r: :ronin 49er:

[49ersforlife5x]

YOU ASKED HOW A WR WOULD HELP, not o-linemen, I answered your question now you are changing the subject!
Sneaky!... :ph34r: :ronin 49er:

I'm just saying the obvious. We have 2 new starting receivers already. And I still don't really understand how Battle lost his starting gig, but anyway....
We essentially have 6 o line men, one of which will be on IR before you know it.
My guess is, that one, Jonas Jennings might be a camp cut to save money, he hasn't been very good anyways.

On a different note, You're the one who doesn't like Lawrence Jackson right?

[Jcdawg23]

Well, through almost 150 posts on this thread, nobody yet has explained how a receiver is going to help this team. There's a lot of arguing and convoluted Bull****, but nobody can explain to me that conundrum. Our o line is a mess and we can't complete passes anyway. Well I guess Smith can complete check downs, but we only need Running backs for that...

Are you kidding me? I have told you time and time again how a good young WR would help out our OL. Please try to pay attention and understand what I'm about to tell you, even though I aparently can't spell. Last season people could put 8 in the box to stop the run. That means they are man to man on our WRs. If we had a guy who could get open and put the Def. into zone, that would free up the run. If they have 8 in the box, when we do decide to pass, they can rush a couple more guys because the Def. Knows they can keep our WR's covered with just one guy. If there is a WR on our team that can get open, they have to get out of Man coverage and not rush so many people. If they arn't rushing so many guys, our OL will have an easy job picking up their blocking assignments. This gives the QB more time to get the ball to a WR, TE, or RB. All the offensive parts need to be working to help eachother out. A WR indirectly helps make our OL better. If you draft some young guy and throw him out there, he will have to hold blocks well over 5 seconds to wait for the WR's to get open. Once the Def. starts to blitz, our OL will have no hope if there is only 5 guys trying to block 6 men. Thats how a WR helps your OL out. Any questions?

[49ersforlife5x]

Are you kidding me? I have told you time and time again how a good young WR would help out our OL. Please try to pay attention and understand what I'm about to tell you, even though I aparently can't spell. Last season people could put 8 in the box to stop the run. That means they are man to man on our WRs. If we had a guy who could get open and put the Def. into zone, that would free up the run. If they have 8 in the box, when we do decide to pass, they can rush a couple more guys because the Def. Knows they can keep our WR's covered with just one guy. If there is a WR on our team that can get open, they have to get out of Man coverage and not rush so many people. If they arn't rushing so many guys, our OL will have an easy job picking up their blocking assignments. This gives the QB more time to get the ball to a WR, TE, or RB. All the offensive parts need to be working to help eachother out. A WR indirectly helps make our OL better. If you draft some young guy and throw him out there, he will have to hold blocks well over 5 seconds to wait for the WR's to get open. Once the Def. starts to blitz, our OL will have no hope if there is only 5 guys trying to block 6 men. Thats how a WR helps your OL out. Any questions?

Are you completely inept? Completely I mean? The 8 players in the box is because defenses know they don't have to respect either Alex Smith or Trent Dilfer. Take the Bengal game, for example. Shaun Hill played better in that game than any other start by any other quarter back of ours all year. Same Receivers, same O line, same everything else. The difference? Defenses didn't know what Hill was capable of, therefore they couldn't just move their safeties up. As a result, Gore had a good game, and our offense actually looked NFL caliber.
Don't even try telling me it's because our receivers aren't good enough. How many 1000 yard seasons did D. Jack have in Seattle? You tell me, you think you know everything. What about Lelie? I seem to recall him putting up close to 1000 in 05.
So what you're basically telling me is their skills have diminished since coming to ninerland? No, they haven't. That's too easy and stupid of an excuse.
What I think is going on here is you don't understand the way offenses work. Clearly. If you think a receiver holds the key to a struggling offense, than you have no clue. You think you do, but you don't. And you probably never will.
The battle is won up front. On both offense and defense.
Want proof? Go ask Mr. David Carr. He had Andre Johnson as his #1. He's fairly good. Problem is, the o line was terrible and over his 5 years in Houston he got sacked 250 times.
Just what is it you can't wrap your brainless head around about this situation? Our line is terrible and unless Hill can do it, our qb's are even worse.
So knowing that, just how do you propose the receivers, regardless of who they are, catch the ball?
Don't ****ing respond to me about rambling either, someone has to teach know-it-all jock-strap-sniffers like you how this game works.

[Jcdawg23]

Are you completely inept? Completely I mean? The 8 players in the box is because defenses know they don't have to respect either Alex Smith or Trent Dilfer. Take the Bengal game, for example. Shaun Hill played better in that game than any other start by any other quarter back of ours all year. Same Receivers, same O line, same everything else. The difference? Defenses didn't know what Hill was capable of, therefore they couldn't just move their safeties up. As a result, Gore had a good game, and our offense actually looked NFL caliber.
Don't even try telling me it's because our receivers aren't good enough. How many 1000 yard seasons did D. Jack have in Seattle? You tell me, you think you know everything. What about Lelie? I seem to recall him putting up close to 1000 in 05.
So what you're basically telling me is their skills have diminished since coming to ninerland? No, they haven't. That's too easy and stupid of an excuse.
What I think is going on here is you don't understand the way offenses work. Clearly. If you think a receiver holds the key to a struggling offense, than you have no clue. You think you do, but you don't. And you probably never will.
The battle is won up front. On both offense and defense.
Want proof? Go ask Mr. David Carr. He had Andre Johnson as his #1. He's fairly good. Problem is, the o line was terrible and over his 5 years in Houston he got sacked 250 times.
Just what is it you can't wrap your brainless head around about this situation? Our line is terrible and unless Hill can do it, our qb's are even worse.
So knowing that, just how do you propose the receivers, regardless of who they are, catch the ball?
Don't ****ing respond to me about rambling either, someone has to teach know-it-all jock-strap-sniffers like you how this game works.

I know how the game works buddy. I didn't spend all my time getting fat sitting on the computer trying to learn football. I played football for 10 years. The views I have are based on a Def. stand point. The 8 guys in the box and playing man to man is a slap in the face to your WR's. The Def. thinks they can handle them with just one guy. Doesn't really have anything to do with the QB so much. I also know the game is won up front. I dont think our OL is that bad. Last time I checked, most of these guys were our OL when Gore had 1600 yards rushing. They cant be that bad. So dont respond to me until you get your fat *** on the field and learn how the game works, and not just from sitting on the couch on game days trying to learn. Im done talking to you. Aparently you only think people are right or have good points if they agree with you. I think someone would be crazy to completely agree with you. You have basically no football knowledge, so go back to your online RPG games and eat another cake. Also, Hill played agaisnt the worst Def. in the league so the reason they backed off wasn't only because they didn't know Hill, it was because they had no confidence. He also played tampa who took their starters out after the first quarter. Some befor the 1st was even over.

[SB49er4life]

Wow, you spent all day arguing about receivers and now you put in your statement everything but... All those things you listed are genuine areas of need without question. Receiver is not. Under any circumstance. We need help at qb more than receiver.

No, actually I don't and never did. If you read my posts, you'll know that I'm clearly in favor of drafting Quentin Groves with our 1st pick, assuming he is there, and have time and again stated that I don't care what it takes, but we NEED to have a bad *** OL by the start of the season.

WR is not a "need", yet WR + PRS + OL are widely regarded by not some, but EVERY draft site, expert opinon and football insider source there is for the NFL.

I am just against these ridiculous notions you have that:

1) A 1st round WR is GUARANTEED to be a bust

2) We can ONLY find impact OL in the 1st round.



*Let me help make it more clear for you: Of the 160 opening day starting Offensive Lineman in the NFL last year, 38 of the them were 1st rd picks

- The Detroit Lions (maybe worst OL than ours) boasted 3 former 1st round pick on the their OL

- The San Diego Chargers, an elite OL, have zero OL drafted in the 1st rd

- The Indianapolis Colts have 1 OL (Tarik Glenn, now retired) who was drafted in the 1st round

- Super Bowl Champion NYG's have zero OL drafted in the 1st round

- NE Patriots have just 1 starting OL drafted in Round 1

- Jacksonville Jaguars, another very solid OL, has 1 OL drafted in Round 1


38/160. That's aproximately 1 out of every 5 starting OL in the NFL. And some of the most outstanding OL's in the league have 1 or less OL drafted in the 1st round.

What else do you need to know to see where I'm coming from ?

[Jcdawg23]

No, actually I don't and never did. If you read my posts, you'll know that I'm clearly in favor of drafting Quentin Groves with our 1st pick, assuming he is there, and have time and again stated that I don't care what it takes, but we NEED to have a bad *** OL by the start of the season.

WR is not a "need", yet WR + PRS + OL are widely regarded by not some, but EVERY draft site, expert opinon and football insider source there is for the NFL.

I am just against these ridiculous notions you have that:

1) A 1st round WR is GUARANTEED to be a bust

2) We can ONLY find impact OL in the 1st round.



*Let me help make it more clear for you: Of the 160 opening day starting Offensive Lineman in the NFL last year, 38 of the them were 1st rd picks

- The Detroit Lions (maybe worst OL than ours) boasted 3 former 1st round pick on the their OL

- The San Diego Chargers, an elite OL, have zero OL drafted in the 1st rd

- The Indianapolis Colts have 1 OL (Tarik Glenn, now retired) who was drafted in the 1st round

- Super Bowl Champion NYG's have zero OL drafted in the 1st round

- NE Patriots have just 1 starting OL drafted in Round 1

- Jacksonville Jaguars, another very solid OL, has 1 OL drafted in Round 1


38/160. That's aproximately 1 out of every 5 starting OL in the NFL. And some of the most outstanding OL's in the league have 1 or less OL drafted in the 1st round.

What else do you need to know to see where I'm coming from ?

You might as well quit while your ahead. He will come right back and say "you want a WR in the first round so your stupid!" even though you just explained what you wanted. I wouldn't mine Groves, I just dont think he will be there. Looking at this years WR's I think the guys that will make an impact in the league are in the first and second round. Maybe get a OL or pass rusher in the first, but I think we really need to get a WR in the second. IDK what we will do, but I hope it makes our team better.

[SB49er4life]

You might as well quit while your ahead. He will come right back and say "you want a WR in the first round so your stupid!" even though you just explained what you wanted. I wouldn't mine Groves, I just dont think he will be there. Looking at this years WR's I think the guys that will make an impact in the league are in the first and second round. Maybe get a OL or pass rusher in the first, but I think we really need to get a WR in the second. IDK what we will do, but I hope it makes our team better.

I can only explain what there is to be explained.

Hopefully, when you can put FACTS and not OPINION out there, you might cause someone generally narrow minded to look at it differently.

There is a few different directions that we can go, but we have had a generally great 1st round under McNolan, although with question marks over the heads of Alex Smith and Vernon Davis, so whatever position we draft, I will trust.

If it was a WR they take, then it means that player was the best player on the board.

I think if we DO take a WR, it will depend largely on how confident our staff feels he could be a Week 1 contributor; they all know they are on a short leash here.

[Jcdawg23]

I can only explain what there is to be explained.

Hopefully, when you can put FACTS and not OPINION out there, you might cause someone generally narrow minded to look at it differently.

There is a few different directions that we can go, but we have had a generally great 1st round under McNolan, although with question marks over the heads of Alex Smith and Vernon Davis, so whatever position we draft, I will trust.

If it was a WR they take, then it means that player was the best player on the board.

I think if we DO take a WR, it will depend largely on how confident our staff feels he could be a Week 1 contributor; they all know they are on a short leash here.

The only thing I worry about with getting a guy to contribute early is the FA we had. We got Bruce and Johnson, and also have a young Hill. If Bruce and Johnson have good years they might be gone after next year. I hope we can make Hill a factor this year as well. If we dont draft a WR because he wont contribute early, I think its because we expect Bruce and Johnson to handle the 1 and 2 spot. What happens if they are both gone next year or the year after? We will have to draft another young WR who might not make it to the field his first year like Hill didn't last year. If we draft a guy this year in the 2nd round, if he doesn't play too much it wont hurt us. He can learn the offense and be a factor next year, or when guys start to leave. Im with you though about the draft. We usually get good guys from coaching the senior bowl. So whom ever we pick, I will trust their judgement and hope for a good year.

[Nelson]

I can only explain what there is to be explained.

Hopefully, when you can put FACTS and not OPINION out there, you might cause someone generally narrow minded to look at it differently.

There is a few different directions that we can go, but we have had a generally great 1st round under McNolan, although with question marks over the heads of Alex Smith and Vernon Davis, so whatever position we draft, I will trust.

If it was a WR they take, then it means that player was the best player on the board.

I think if we DO take a WR, it will depend largely on how confident our staff feels he could be a Week 1 contributor; they all know they are on a short leash here.

I think the point you've made is first class bud! Nolan knows he's in the last chance saloon this year, he has to win and win well and show a big deal of progression from last year.

He has to get a player in the 1st and maybe 2nd that are going to come in and immediatly contribute and make the team better right away. To be honest I'd rather it be an o-lineman to protect our Qb better but I wouldn't really be that bothered if it was a reciever as long as that guy comes in and makes a difference from day one.

[VaSfan4life]

trust me if johnson balls this year he aint going no where(Franchise). he's young and a veteran and also coming into his prime. by the way there is a chance(slim but i'm hoping) that groves will be there, if he is we take him. i say trade a late round(6,7) pick to jump in front of Jax they are our only comp for groves. if not than Oline for sure at #29 and pass rusher @#39. A WR we need can be had in the 3-4th round and dont act like becuz they aren't first day picks they can't play(That should make them play harder).

[Jcdawg23]

trust me if johnson balls this year he aint going no where(Franchise). he's young and a veteran and also coming into his prime. by the way there is a chance(slim but i'm hoping) that groves will be there, if he is we take him. i say trade a late round(6,7) pick to jump in front of Jax they are our only comp for groves. if not than Oline for sure at #29 and pass rusher @#39. A WR we need can be had in the 3-4th round and dont act like becuz they aren't first day picks they can't play(That should make them play harder).

Good points, but im not trying to say a second day guy cant play. Im just saying from watching the combine, college football, and reading articles on these guys, the only guys who seem like they will make an impact soon in the league are in the first and second round. Guys like Limas Sweed, Malcolm Kelly, James Hardy, Devin Thomas, Desean Jackson, and quite possibly Andre Caldwel will be gone befor our 3rd round pick. Those to me and Jordy Nelson are the best WR's in the draft. Second day guys have made impacts too, but its not until after a few years. T.J Hous(im not gunna even try to spell it) was a 6th rounder, but your jus not hearing about him being an elite reciever. I wouldn't trade our later picks either to move up, mainly because we need as much help as we can get. We need to use all of our picks to get young guys to come in and compete for a position or even get some playing time on Special Teams. i wouldn't be upset with getting Groves, like I always keep saying. I just think the guys we got at OLB could do the job. The two positions we really need badly are OL and DL(NT). WR and OLB are just positions we would like to build on.

[49ersforlife5x]

I know how the game works buddy. I didn't spend all my time getting fat sitting on the computer trying to learn football. I played football for 10 years. The views I have are based on a Def. stand point. The 8 guys in the box and playing man to man is a slap in the face to your WR's. The Def. thinks they can handle them with just one guy. Doesn't really have anything to do with the QB so much. I also know the game is won up front. I dont think our OL is that bad. Last time I checked, most of these guys were our OL when Gore had 1600 yards rushing. They cant be that bad. So dont respond to me until you get your fat *** on the field and learn how the game works, and not just from sitting on the couch on game days trying to learn. Im done talking to you. Aparently you only think people are right or have good points if they agree with you. I think someone would be crazy to completely agree with you. You have basically no football knowledge, so go back to your online RPG games and eat another cake. Also, Hill played agaisnt the worst Def. in the league so the reason they backed off wasn't only because they didn't know Hill, it was because they had no confidence. He also played tampa who took their starters out after the first quarter. Some befor the 1st was even over.

Dude, I played football too, and competed in national level Judo Championships. Don't tell me about athletics.
And if you want to make this personal, Bring it on. I've made a life out of embarrassing guys like you.
And for what it's worth, I was watching/playing and analyzing football while you were still in Baghdad.
All I've seen out of you is back peddling and nonsense that you think makes you sound tough.

Now, as for the o line, again you don't get it. You were the one who went on about 8 men in the box, correct? In 06 defenses didn't know enough about Gore to do this. Watch the Green Bay game from 06. Whereas in 07, they did know, and they also knew we couldn't complete passes. That's why you saw 8 men in the box. That had nothing to do with receivers.

In conclusion, You're a retard, who thinks he's tough, and I'm just calling you out, because I know you're letting that bulldog mouth overload your puppy dog ***.

[Jcdawg23]

Dude, I played football too, and competed in national level Judo Championships. Don't tell me about athletics.
And if you want to make this personal, Bring it on. I've made a life out of embarrassing guys like you.
And for what it's worth, I was watching/playing and analyzing football while you were still in Baghdad.
All I've seen out of you is back peddling and nonsense that you think makes you sound tough.

Now, as for the o line, again you don't get it. You were the one who went on about 8 men in the box, correct? In 06 defenses didn't know enough about Gore to do this. Watch the Green Bay game from 06. Whereas in 07, they did know, and they also knew we couldn't complete passes. That's why you saw 8 men in the box. That had nothing to do with receivers.

In conclusion, You're a retard, who thinks he's tough, and I'm just calling you out, because I know you're letting that bulldog mouth overload your puppy dog ***.

Is it just me, or did I hear whisperings of stupidity?:hoppy: HAHA guess it was just the wind

[49ersforlife5x]

You might as well quit while your ahead. He will come right back and say "you want a WR in the first round so your stupid!" even though you just explained what you wanted. I wouldn't mine Groves, I just dont think he will be there. Looking at this years WR's I think the guys that will make an impact in the league are in the first and second round. Maybe get a OL or pass rusher in the first, but I think we really need to get a WR in the second. IDK what we will do, but I hope it makes our team better.

Mine? As in like get out the hatchet and wheel barrow?
Keep going dude, I'm getting lots of miles and laughter out of your education.

[49ersforlife5x]

Is it just me, or did I hear whisperings of stupidity?:hoppy: HAHA guess it was just the wind

Ok, so you read that post and just kind of trailed off... so where's the tough guy? I thought you were done with me.

[Jcdawg23]

Ok, so you read that post and just kind of trailed off... so where's the tough guy? I thought you were done with me.

*swishhhh*:tumbleweed: wow did you hear that? Just the wind again. HAHA:hoppy:

[49ersforlife5x]

*swishhhh*:tumbleweed: wow did you hear that? Just the wind again. HAHA:hoppy:

All I hear is a gutless coward who thinks he's smart and tough.

[Jcdawg23]

All I hear is a gutless coward who thinks he's smart and tough.

*Swishh* Man that wind will not calm down.:unsure:

[Guest49er]

Why not. If you're right before the event you're right after it too. A first round pick on a WR who has very little chance of starting, as opposed to pass rusher or OL is like a homeless man buying curtains.

It could make the difference for Mike Nolan to keep his job to get a WR, or he'll be the homeless man buying curtains when the team dumps him for NOT getting a WR.

[psychoj1016]

we brought in 2 of the top 5 FA wr's... supposedly alex smith is 7-5 as a starter when he is healthy....why dont we help him out and bring some guys in to protect his ***... pretty sure its more important to buy a little time to pass the ball and not let him end up like steve young, man of a thousand concussions-not dissing him cuz i loved him-, just saying its better for the entire team to keep the quarterback healthy and let johnson and bruce take over and worry about a wr next year when bruce is gone... also it will open up the running game and by opening up the running game open up the play action pass and then maybe we can do something with our offense

[Jcdawg23]

we brought in 2 of the top 5 FA wr's... supposedly alex smith is 7-5 as a starter when he is healthy....why dont we help him out and bring some guys in to protect his ***... pretty sure its more important to buy a little time to pass the ball and not let him end up like steve young, man of a thousand concussions-not dissing him cuz i loved him-, just saying its better for the entire team to keep the quarterback healthy and let johnson and bruce take over and worry about a wr next year when bruce is gone... also it will open up the running game and by opening up the running game open up the play action pass and then maybe we can do something with our offense

But why do we want to wait until next year to draft a WR, when he is going to need a year to get use to the offense and Alex Smith or who ever is the QB? My main arguement is draft a guy in the second round and when Bruce or Johnson leave, we have a guy to fall back on.

[psychoj1016]

But why do we want to wait until next year to draft a WR, when he is going to need a year to get use to the offense and Alex Smith or who ever is the QB? My main arguement is draft a guy in the second round and when Bruce or Johnson leave, we have a guy to fall back on.

because we have other things to worry about first... like not having to go through 4 quarterbacks a year.... maybe if we could have one starting qb last a whole season we could win a few more games.... hmm like 2006 for example... alex took every snap and we had a semi-decent team... image what he can do with a little more experience

[Jcdawg23]

because we have other things to worry about first... like not having to go through 4 quarterbacks a year.... maybe if we could have one starting qb last a whole season we could win a few more games.... hmm like 2006 for example... alex took every snap and we had a semi-decent team... image what he can do with a little more experience

We can talk about 2006 if you want. Frank Gore had 1600 yards rushing right? We have almost the same guys, if not better guys on the OL, than we did in 2006. In 2007 the Def. knew about frank gore so they would pile guys in the box. It's then up to your passing game to make them spread out. The WR's couldnt get open quick enough, so the OL would have to pass block for over 5 seconds resulting in a sack. Our OL definitly isnt the best in the league, but I dont think they are as bad as people think. I wouldn't be upset with getting an OL in the first round, but I would be upset if we waited until the 3rd round to get a WR.

[psychoj1016]

We can talk about 2006 if you want. Frank Gore had 1600 yards rushing right? We have almost the same guys, if not better guys on the OL, than we did in 2006. In 2007 the Def. knew about frank gore so they would pile guys in the box. It's then up to your passing game to make them spread out. The WR's couldnt get open quick enough, so the OL would have to pass block for over 5 seconds resulting in a sack. Our OL definitly isnt the best in the league, but I dont think they are as bad as people think. I wouldn't be upset with getting an OL in the first round, but I would be upset if we waited until the 3rd round to get a WR.

ok maybe we would be fine if smith didnt get hurt and scumbaag dilfer wasnt in but we dont even have that line anymore... pretty sure we lost some of our starting line to FA and no one to really replace them... we picked up FA to try and help the void of our wrs but we basically did nothing but let our offensive line just dwindle... not to mention losing allen to retirement (was old but still could probably get the job done)... if we still had smiley and allen i wouldnt have a problem with a wr.. but we dont... so we need to patch up the O-line

[Jcdawg23]

ok maybe we would be fine if smith didnt get hurt and scumbaag dilfer wasnt in but we dont even have that line anymore... pretty sure we lost some of our starting line to FA and no one to really replace them... we picked up FA to try and help the void of our wrs but we basically did nothing but let our offensive line just dwindle... not to mention losing allen to retirement (was old but still could probably get the job done)... if we still had smiley and allen i wouldnt have a problem with a wr.. but we dont... so we need to patch up the O-line

I agree with everything you said right there. Dilfer would drive me crazy. he was such a statue in the pocket. We did lose some guys to FA and retirement, and didn't do anything in FA to try to fix it. So maybe your right and we will draft a couple guys in the draft for the OL. IDK, i just would like to get James Hardy, Malcolm Kelly, or Devin Thomas. They look like they would be good NFL type WR's. We can all agree our main need for improvment is on the offensive side of the ball. Everyone wants groves, but I dont think he will be there at 29

[ninersgold]

We can talk about 2006 if you want. Frank Gore had 1600 yards rushing right? We have almost the same guys, if not better guys on the OL, than we did in 2006. In 2007 the Def. knew about frank gore so they would pile guys in the box. It's then up to your passing game to make them spread out. The WR's couldnt get open quick enough, so the OL would have to pass block for over 5 seconds resulting in a sack. Our OL definitly isnt the best in the league, but I dont think they are as bad as people think. I wouldn't be upset with getting an OL in the first round, but I would be upset if we waited until the 3rd round to get a WR.

Everything went downhill when HOSTLER TOOK OVER. I used to think people were exaggerating how bad he was. Now I'm realizng that he was really that bad. The players didn't believe in him and didn't understand what he was trying to do, and i think this also effected the o-linemen as well. In the final few games Tolner gave the Niners a little bit of soemthing to work with and they played more motivated cuz they understood and knew it would be more sucessful. That's why they played good in the final games, they had Hill a QB that has just enough to work with and our team functioned correctly. We need a QB with at least some mobility. Weinke and Dilfer lacked that so they failed miserably. If Alex Smith had Ted Tollner and if he was healthy, we would have had around another 7-9 or 8-8 season, possibly even 9-7. Our games were close with our defense but we were unable to score with Hostler and slow QBs.

Oh and our o-line didn't have 5 seconds worth of protection, that is very good. Smith had more like 2 and a half to 3 seconds in the wall pushed back into him (not a pocket) making him throw off balance (since he can't step up and get off a decent throw). The WRs are getting the ball thrown to them before they can even run their routes and of course tey aren't open. We will be great next season.

As long as our team has confidence in mike martz and we get a pass rushing ROLB (Groves :pray: ). That would make our defense very hard to stop and our offense will function so they won't be on the field 95% of the time. We have a WR that can get open in Issac Bruce at least and he can actually catch the ball. Johnson is our legit deep threat, and Battle will be a great slot. After the draft depending on how it goes we could also have another WR in the mix.

We need to draft a RT and a ROLB. That's it for our big needs. Right now our WR core is something that works. WR is our third need. I kind of hope we make a trade like we did last season, trade 2009 first round pcik for another late round pick in this years draft. I am thinking with San Diego. That way we could get Groves with that pick (27th overall) and than Cherilius (29th overall). The only real threat for us not to get Cherilius is San Diego, so with them out of the way it would be easy. :bubble:

Than in the second we could still get some quality and draft our third need WR! James Hardy would be great value (basically another first round pick). So we could basically have three first round picks like that. Groves and Cherilius wiould be instant impacts and Hardy could be one, though he would have to really compete and win the number 2 spot most likely, but I doubt he would win it early on. Than in the thrid get a NT and in the 4th get a DB andthan get a safety and a OG With the 6th and 7th picks. That is my idea.

[Jcdawg23]

Everything went downhill when HOSTLER TOOK OVER. I used to think people were exaggerating how bad he was. Now I'm realizng that he was really that bad. The players didn't believe in him and didn't understand what he was trying to do, and i think this also effected the o-linemen as well. In the final few games Tolner gave the Niners a little bit of soemthing to work with and they played more motivated cuz they understood and knew it would be more sucessful. That's why they played good in the final games, they had Hill a QB that has just enough to work with and our team functioned correctly. We need a QB with at least some mobility. Weinke and Dilfer lacked that so they failed miserably. If Alex Smith had Ted Tollner and if he was healthy, we would have had around another 7-9 or 8-8 season, possibly even 9-7. Our games were close with our defense but we were unable to score with Hostler and slow QBs.

Oh and our o-line didn't have 5 seconds worth of protection, that is very good. Smith had more like 2 and a half to 3 seconds in the wall pushed back into him (not a pocket) making him throw off balance (since he can't step up and get off a decent throw). The WRs are getting the ball thrown to them before they can even run their routes and of course tey aren't open. We will be great next season.

As long as our team has confidence in mike martz and we get a pass rushing ROLB (Groves :pray: ). That would make our defense very hard to stop and our offense will function so they won't be on the field 95% of the time. We have a WR that can get open in Issac Bruce at least and he can actually catch the ball. Johnson is our legit deep threat, and Battle will be a great slot. After the draft depending on how it goes we could also have another WR in the mix.

We need to draft a RT and a ROLB. That's it for our big needs. Right now our WR core is something that works. WR is our third need. I kind of hope we make a trade like we did last season, trade 2009 first round pcik for another late round pick in this years draft. I am thinking with San Diego. That way we could get Groves with that pick (27th overall) and than Cherilius (29th overall). The only real threat for us not to get Cherilius is San Diego, so with them out of the way it would be easy. :bubble:

Than in the second we could still get some quality and draft our third need WR! James Hardy would be great value (basically another first round pick). So we could basically have three first round picks like that. Groves and Cherilius wiould be instant impacts and Hardy could be one, though he would have to really compete and win the number 2 spot most likely, but I doubt he would win it early on. Than in the thrid get a NT and in the 4th get a DB andthan get a safety and a OG With the 6th and 7th picks. That is my idea.

That did it all for me. I would love to see your idea pan out, but its not practical. I dont think San diego would just give us their first rounder for our first rounder in 2009. They would want the 2009 pick and our 2nd round pick. I dont think San diego is that stupid. I would like to see us get Trevor Laws for NT. The draft can go either way right now. I really want a WR though haha

[Jcdawg23]

Oh and if we do draft a WR in the first or second round, I bet Lelie or Battle gets traded or let go.

[ninersgold]

That did it all for me. I would love to see your idea pan out, but its not practical. I dont think San diego would just give us their first rounder for our first rounder in 2009. They would want the 2009 pick and our 2nd round pick. I dont think San diego is that stupid. I would like to see us get Trevor Laws for NT. The draft can go either way right now. I really want a WR though haha

Yeah but in their eyes we are a top 10 pick think about it... WE SUCK!

The Browns traded their 1st rounder of this year to Dallas just to get Quinn, and Dallas agreed why... Cuz they thought they were going to have a top 5 pick and their own pick, it didn't pan out since the Browns had a break out season with Anderson. We suck now as well, we looked terrible last season, I would go for it, you would have a good chance of getting a top 10 pick and their own pick for the next season. Think of it from their view. From our view we think we can get better from their view we are the seventh pick overall for possibly next year as well. :lightbulb:

[ninersgold]

Oh and if we do draft a WR in the first or second round, I bet Lelie or Battle gets traded or let go.

DUH! and Lelie out the door!

[Jcdawg23]

If we use our 09 pick, then I hope we find a way to get another 09 pick like this past year.

[ninersgold]

If we use our 09 pick, then I hope we find a way to get another 09 pick like this past year.

Hopefully by than since we got so much talent from the trade in the 08 draft, than we won't need that pick that bad and we get the need thorugh Free Agency much like the Browns did. Besides we would still have a second round pick.

[Jcdawg23]

Hopefully by than since we got so much talent from the trade in the 08 draft, than we won't need that pick that bad and we get the need thorugh Free Agency much like the Browns did. Besides we would still have a second round pick.

Yea, but i mean what if something goes wrong and we end up in a worse situation than we are in now. Like say the guys we pick up are flops. then we dont have a first round pick next year to build on.

[ninersgold]

Yea, but i mean what if something goes wrong and we end up in a worse situation than we are in now. Like say the guys we pick up are flops. then we dont have a first round pick next year to build on.

Nolan and Mcloughan don't draft flops in the esrly rounds! :angry:

That's why they are good at drafting!

[Jcdawg23]

Nolan and Mcloughan don't draft flops in the esrly rounds! :angry:

That's why they are good at drafting!

HAHA ok calm down buddy. Im just saying if it was me, I wouldn't trade my 09 pick unless I was sure we would have a late pick any ways.

[SB49er4life]

Dude, I played football too, and competed in national level Judo Championships. Don't tell me about athletics.
And if you want to make this personal, Bring it on. I've made a life out of embarrassing guys like you.
And for what it's worth, I was watching/playing and analyzing football while you were still in Baghdad.
All I've seen out of you is back peddling and nonsense that you think makes you sound tough.

Now, as for the o line, again you don't get it. You were the one who went on about 8 men in the box, correct? In 06 defenses didn't know enough about Gore to do this. Watch the Green Bay game from 06. Whereas in 07, they did know, and they also knew we couldn't complete passes. That's why you saw 8 men in the box. That had nothing to do with receivers.

In conclusion, You're a retard, who thinks he's tough, and I'm just calling you out, because I know you're letting that bulldog mouth overload your puppy dog ***.

Yes, they did. NFL defensive coaches aren't that stupid where they need to watch a player for an entire year to realize he's a baller.

Frank Gore was running against stacked boxes and ballin' out all year long.

We also had Norv Turner who at least knew what he was doing to keep D's guessing where and how the run was coming, and used Smiley and Allen to their best strengths.

The problem with our passing game was 1 part Alex Smith being a young QB, one part being in a conservative offense, and 1 part not having WR's that present ANY kind of considerable mismatch for the defense.

[49ersforlife5x]

Yes, they did. NFL defensive coaches aren't that stupid where they need to watch a player for an entire year to realize he's a baller.

Frank Gore was running against stacked boxes and ballin' out all year long.

We also had Norv Turner who at least knew what he was doing to keep D's guessing where and how the run was coming, and used Smiley and Allen to their best strengths.

The problem with our passing game was 1 part Alex Smith being a young QB, one part being in a conservative offense, and 1 part not having WR's that present ANY kind of considerable mismatch for the defense.

Not really, did you watch the Green Bay game? From the first snap the Packers played 7 in the box, and Gore burned them early.

[Jcdawg23]

Yes, they did. NFL defensive coaches aren't that stupid where they need to watch a player for an entire year to realize he's a baller.

Frank Gore was running against stacked boxes and ballin' out all year long.

We also had Norv Turner who at least knew what he was doing to keep D's guessing where and how the run was coming, and used Smiley and Allen to their best strengths.

The problem with our passing game was 1 part Alex Smith being a young QB, one part being in a conservative offense, and 1 part not having WR's that present ANY kind of considerable mismatch for the defense.

Thank you! Thats what I have been trying to tell everyone. Hopefully the guys we got in FA can change that. Maybe we might even get a guy in the draft that can create missmatches. I just think the only guys that can do that are in the first and second round.

[SB49er4life]

Not really, did you watch the Green Bay game? From the first snap the Packers played 7 in the box, and Gore burned them early.

You're talking about a few series in one game that year.

Gore was facing 8 and 9 man boxes all year long and still getting it done.

[Jcdawg23]

You're talking about a few series in one game that year.

Gore was facing 8 and 9 man boxes all year long and still getting it done.

Yup! and this past year had the same situations, just no imagination from the OC. Still had over 1100 yards

[psychoj1016]

and half our line is gone... so pretty sure we need someone to step in and replace them besides bums off the street

[SB49er4life]

Yup! and this past year had the same situations, just no imagination from the OC. Still had over 1100 yards

I'm actually floored that people are disregarding Mike Martz' impact on the offense.

Even with the exact same players on offense and different OC last year, our team would have been MUCH more successful than with Hostler.

Forget all the lack of production... many of those false starts, missed blocks in pass pro, incorrect routes by the WR's and QB's not aware of a blitz can be blamed on the offensive coordinator, because it is HIS responsibility to get the players both prepared on what they might see come game time, and make sure his team is not sloppy.

Bishop Harris is out b/c word on the block is that he was playing favorites too much with RB's, and not giving other guys (M-Rob) much of a chance in favor of Gore.

If Robinson develops like we expect him to, we may have the deepest, most talented RB group in the NFL with Gore/Foster/Robinson, with guys that can hurt you in more than one way.

[goofy60]

Jcdawg23 is right on the money when he says the Niners OL isn't as bad as everyone thinks. Last year the opposing defenses geared up to stop the Niners running game because they were sure the Niners couldn't get anywhere trying to pass. The opposing defenses were correct. Alex Smith was awful, the WRs were awful, and the Niners could not move the ball through the air. And with six to eight defensive players in close to stop the run, they could also successfully blitz the quarterback as much as they wanted, and did. Because with that many defenders up at the line of scrimmage, no OL, no matter how good, can hold up. CASE IN POINT: this year's Super Bowl. The Patriots had three, count them, THREE pro bowl offensive linemen OUT OF THE STARTING FIVE. But in the face of the Giants' use of six and seven defenders at the line to rush the QB and at the same time stop the run, the Patriots' VAUNTED OL fell apart. GEE, I WONDER WHY.... Where were all you guys who malign the Niners OL? Were none of you watching the Super Bowl??
All you guys who think the Niners' OL stinks are full of it. Show the opposition that the Niners have a potent passing attack and the opposing defenses will have to back up to cover!!! Even a fifth-grader knows that!! WE NEED A NUMBER ONE WR MORE THAN ANYTHING!!!!! And a number two WR too!!! I'm tired of seeing limited-in-talent third string wideouts starting at WR!! A talented number one WR and a talented number two WR would also open the passing attack for a great weapon against the blitz---which the Niners don't have at this point because the present WRs cannot get any separation---- the quick pass.
You guys who think the Niners OL stinks ought to have your heads examined. During the Niners' years in the playoffs and Super Bowls...how many players on the OL were ever thought good enough to be selected to the Pro Bowl besides Randy Cross?? I can count them on one hand. But do you recall that the Niners during those years had Freddie Solomon, Dwight Clark, Jerry Rice, and John Taylor as wideouts??? Not to mention Roger Craig out of the backfield and all those excellent, pass-catching Tight Ends?? I repeat---The Niners need WRs!!!

[psychoj1016]

the niners do need a number one WR... but not like they need to rebuild the line... not only was our line terrible last year... but we lost what 3 starters to FA/retiring.... we had some decent wr pick ups but didnt do squat for our line.... there is no way we can compete with a line full of back ups