James Hardy is on the 49ers watch...

[ninersgold]

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/multimedia/mediaplayer.php?id=4581

49ersforlife5x for you, and for everyone else that is a Hardy fan

If you watch this video of Hardy at the combine he deals with the tough questions we all wanted to here, about his past and his off the field incident. He talks about watching tape on TO and Plax Burress and taking some of their game and putting it into his. He is working on his speed because everyone is fast in the NFL. Than on one question he was asked who has looked at him...

Here is who he says has shown interest in him...

Pittsburgh
San Francisco!
The NY Jets (this is the only team that ccould possibly take him before us in the second round)
Buffalo
Tenessee

Looks like Hardy will be a Jet, possibly unless someone falls to them that they think has more value. I have seen in a lot of mocks him go to the Jets in the second. But there is still a chance.

[-BayAreaJunkie-]

He doesn't sound as dumb as most players at the combine.

[JASON]

Hardy has great size. I would love for the Niners to draft this guy.

[ninersgold]

He is the type of player I like, works on their mistakes and strives for perfection and nothing less, he even talked about HOF as a goal. He just wants to be sucessful in the NFL. Whoever gets him, if they have good WR coaches, he will be sucessful. If he goes to a team like the Raiders than I think he is screwed. If he ends up in Pit, he will have a great career. Here in San Fran he would be a great target for Smith to throw to, and eventually he would develop intoa number 1 WR, yes a number 1 WR. somethign we haven't had since T.O. :yikes:

Than we will have a threat at almost every posistion...
TE Vernon Davis
RB Frank Gore
WR James Hardy (number 1 WR)
WR Bryant Johnson (number 2 WR)
QB... is still a ?


Things would definitley open up for our offense and especiallyu with Martz opening up the playbook.

Can't wait till the draft, suspense is high! :hyper:

[49ersforlife5x]

Oh God, do I have to waste any more energy telling you how bad a pick that would be? I could see Pittsburgh trading up to get him early in round 2. Hardy, at best, is a situational red zone target. Nothing more.
The niners won't take him, He's a junior, with dubious character, who doesn't fit their offensive scheme. Sorry, dude, it's not happening.

[ninersgold]

Oh God, do I have to waste any more energy telling you how bad a pick that would be? I could see Pittsburgh trading up to get him early in round 2. Hardy, at best, is a situational red zone target. Nothing more.
The niners won't take him, He's a junior, with dubious character, who doesn't fit their offensive scheme. Sorry, dude, it's not happening.

Who do you want?

[49ersforlife5x]

Who do you want?

What do I want in this draft??

[ninersgold]

What do I want in this draft??

yes

[49ersforlife5x]

yes

Ok, at 29 I like Cherilus or Groves. I'm guessing one will be available.
at 39 I like Lawrence Jackson or Sam Baker. Depending on what we got out of round one, I'm thinking both would be there at 39.
In round 3 I like Dajuan Morgan (if available), Eddie Royal (if available) or Trevor Laws. I think one of those 3 will be available, and I like all three at that spot.
Round 4. Either Mike McGlynn (hopefully) or Marcus Griffin
Late rounds: We should get an extra Ilb, offensive line, and maybe another fast receiver.

I do really think, though, We'll trade up for another late first rounder.

In summary, knowing what Martz did with a guy like Furrey, there's no point in spending a high pick on a receiver.

[49ersforlife5x]

Hey ninersgold, Check out profootballweekly.com.
They are bashing Vernon Davis good

[toolsalesman]

Oh God, do I have to waste any more energy telling you how bad a pick that would be? I could see Pittsburgh trading up to get him early in round 2. Hardy, at best, is a situational red zone target. Nothing more.
The niners won't take him, He's a junior, with dubious character, who doesn't fit their offensive scheme. Sorry, dude, it's not happening.

Hardy will be a 1st rounder.

[49ersforlife5x]

Hardy will be a 1st rounder.

No he won't.
Unless Detroit trades up to get another receiver.

[ninersgold]

No he won't.
Unless Detroit trades up to get another receiver.

:falldownlaugh:

and yeah i saw that profootballweekly article. We will see what happens, even though they bash him, he is continuing to get better and better and develop the more he plays. I know I'm gettin Vernin Davis on my fantasy team! He will be used as a WR in Martz's offense. I can't wait! :hyper:

Gore and
Davis will be on my fantasy football team for next season! They are going to be huge for me.

[SB49er4life]

Oh God, do I have to waste any more energy telling you how bad a pick that would be? I could see Pittsburgh trading up to get him early in round 2. Hardy, at best, is a situational red zone target. Nothing more.
The niners won't take him, He's a junior, with dubious character, who doesn't fit their offensive scheme. Sorry, dude, it's not happening.

Mike Martz' was asked the question of what WR fits his schemes the best about a month or two ago, and you know what his answer was ?

"One that can get open and catch the ball".

Which means he could give a rats *** about their height/weight as long as they can MAKE PLAYS and be RELIABLE. Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson aren't exactly tiny WR's, and I'm pretty sure they did alright in Detroit last year.

You keep saying "it's not happening", but other sources say the 40ers staff disagrees with you.

[ninersgold]

Mike Martz' was asked the question of what WR fits his schemes the best about a month or two ago, and you know what his answer was ?

"One that can get open and catch the ball".

Which means he could give a rats *** about their height/weight as long as they can MAKE PLAYS and be RELIABLE. Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson aren't exactly tiny WR's, and I'm pretty sure they did alright in Detroit last year.

You keep saying "it's not happening", but other sources say the 40ers staff disagrees with you.

Change the 40 to 49 before 49ersforlife5x bashes your spelling! I also agree 100%

[Guest49er]

Somebody tell me where does Pittsburgh pick in rounds 1 and 2? I doubt they'd go WR again and take Hardy off the bat. Reason I ask is we could get him in round 2.

[WhistlingMtn]

Here is who he says has shown interest in him...

Pittsburgh
San Francisco!
The NY Jets (this is the only team that ccould possibly take him before us in the second round)
Buffalo
Tenessee

If you asked every single receiver with a 1st or 2nd round grade who has shown interest in them, you'd get AT LEAST those 5 teams. Doesn't mean any of them will draft him.

It all depends on who is available with the 2nd. I think there will be better players who will be less of a gamble and have a bigger impact.

[superman1]

Somebody tell me where does Pittsburgh pick in rounds 1 and 2? I doubt they'd go WR again and take Hardy off the bat. Reason I ask is we could get him in round 2.don't worry as the Steelers are set on B.Albert.

[WiltonDeportes]

Oh God, do I have to waste any more energy telling you how bad a pick that would be? I could see Pittsburgh trading up to get him early in round 2. Hardy, at best, is a situational red zone target. Nothing more.
The niners won't take him, He's a junior, with dubious character, who doesn't fit their offensive scheme. Sorry, dude, it's not happening.

1. being a junior is not a negative
2. you dont know about his character
3. our scheme adapts to our players (ie more deep slants if we got hardy)

also, he is more than a red zone target. he has hands, size, toughness and speed to work the middle.

[Hobbes2d]

don't worry as the Steelers are set on B.Albert.

Albert will go earlier then that.

Big Ben wants a tall WR, so they'll get Hardy with their first pick.

[superman1]

Albert will go earlier then that.

Big Ben wants a tall WR, so they'll get Hardy with their first pick.probably right.

[markiemarko]

Hey ninersgold, Check out profootballweekly.com.
They are bashing Vernon Davis good

profootballweekely=national enquirer

[ninersgold]

Albert will go earlier then that.

Big Ben wants a tall WR, so they'll get Hardy with their first pick.


Everybody is taking that seriously?
I remember when Big Ben handled that and said he was misquoted and said that he was asked if he needed anything other than hwat he already has what would he want, he said tall WR, but I'm great with what i got.

People just heard the tall WR part and now are saying they are going to draft a tall WR early.

They need O linemen.

[49ersforlife5x]

profootballweekely=national enquirer

I'd rather read the National Enquirer than World Weekly News.
Speaking of which, did you hear the incredible Shlong boy is on the loose and horny as hell?

[ninersgold]

I'd rather read the National Enquirer than World Weekly News.
Speaking of which, did you hear the incredible Shlong boy is on the loose and horny as hell?

Those magazines are hilarious. I remember when 2 or 3 years ago the front cover said...
"End of the world in two weeks!" :yikes:

Well....
:cricket:

It's been a while now!

[SB49er4life]

I love how when a magazine or news source's opinion differs from that of their own, people start questioning it's credibility.

PFW, just like any other speculating sports publication, is not always pin point accurate, but they have more insider information than fans sittint at home.

[BLEEDING_GOLD]

I love how when a magazine or news source's opinion differs from that of their own, people start questioning it's credibility.

PFW, just like any other speculating sports publication, is not always pin point accurate, but they have more insider information than fans sittint at home.

They are fans sitting at home.

[icedearth168]

profootballweekely=national enquirer

Its profootballtalk that = the enquirer

[ManCans]

Hardy is not the short-area burst stereotypical receiver usually associated with Martz's offense, but I still believe he could be very productive in our system. Hardy is extremely physical, so it's very difficult to jam him at the line of scrimage. He has a very long stride, which usually translates to a slow buildup, but he gets up to full speed pretty well for a big man. Once he reaches full speed, it's nearly impossible for an average cornerback to catch him.

His size and physicality usually results in a mismatch, which is why just about every opponent double-teamed him at Indiana. He runs very good routes, and catches just about everything with his hands. He has excellent vertical ability, so he rarely gets out-jumped for the ball.

Does he fit in Martz's system? I think so. Since it's so difficult to jam him at the LOS, he gets into his routes very quickly. He also cuts extremely well for his size (plays like a much smaller receiver), so he should be able to handle the speed-outs and dig routes required in our new system. I think Martz will love how deep Hardy can push his depth, and how he rarely gets out-muscled for the ball.

[Jcdawg23]

Hardy is not the short-area burst stereotypical receiver usually associated with Martz's offense, but I still believe he could be very productive in our system. Hardy is extremely physical, so it's very difficult to jam him at the line of scrimage. He has a very long stride, which usually translates to a slow buildup, but he gets up to full speed pretty well for a big man. Once he reaches full speed, it's nearly impossible for an average cornerback to catch him.

His size and physicality usually results in a mismatch, which is why just about every opponent double-teamed him at Indiana. He runs very good routes, and catches just about everything with his hands. He has excellent vertical ability, so he rarely gets out-jumped for the ball.

Does he fit in Martz's system? I think so. Since it's so difficult to jam him at the LOS, he gets into his routes very quickly. He also cuts extremely well for his size (plays like a much smaller receiver), so he should be able to handle the speed-outs and dig routes required in our new system. I think Martz will love how deep Hardy can push his depth, and how he rarely gets out-muscled for the ball.

James Hardy and Malcolm Kelly are my top 2 WR's in this draft. They are big, fast, and both have about the same qualities!:banana5:

[SB49er4life]

Hardy is not the short-area burst stereotypical receiver usually associated with Martz's offense, but I still believe he could be very productive in our system. Hardy is extremely physical, so it's very difficult to jam him at the line of scrimage. He has a very long stride, which usually translates to a slow buildup, but he gets up to full speed pretty well for a big man. Once he reaches full speed, it's nearly impossible for an average cornerback to catch him.

His size and physicality usually results in a mismatch, which is why just about every opponent double-teamed him at Indiana. He runs very good routes, and catches just about everything with his hands. He has excellent vertical ability, so he rarely gets out-jumped for the ball.

Does he fit in Martz's system? I think so. Since it's so difficult to jam him at the LOS, he gets into his routes very quickly. He also cuts extremely well for his size (plays like a much smaller receiver), so he should be able to handle the speed-outs and dig routes required in our new system. I think Martz will love how deep Hardy can push his depth, and how he rarely gets out-muscled for the ball.

You just simply can't play college basketball without good short-area quickness; that's what the sport is reliant on.

Not saying his matches up with that of NFL cb's or other elite WR's, but you can't be a complete goof-ball and play basketball; hoop players usually have very good FIRST STEP quickness, which is huge for WR's.

Although I'm not sold on Hardy as a great NFL WR, he is one of a handful of guys at WR in this draft that has characteristics and skills enough to be "Go-to" guy.

You can't teach height and natural pass catching ability, and he's a guy with the ability to make a play even when the D knows what's coming.

[bezupcezdown]

it would be nice to grab him

[Tovey21]

Hardy doesn't run routes well enough to play WR under Martz. It doesn't matter either way because I doubt the Niners are taking a WR in the first two rounds. An offensive tackle and a pass rusher are bigger needs then a WR.

[MR. WEBBER]

Hardy doesn't run routes well enough to play WR under Martz. It doesn't matter either way because I doubt the Niners are taking a WR in the first two rounds. An offensive tackle and a pass rusher are bigger needs then a WR.

yeah,cause im sure martz couldnt fix that part of his game right??

[Tovey21]

yeah,cause im sure martz couldnt fix that part of his game right??

Yeah because Martz is the WR coach right?

[toolsalesman]

Hardy doesn't run routes well enough to play WR under Martz. It doesn't matter either way because I doubt the Niners are taking a WR in the first two rounds. An offensive tackle and a pass rusher are bigger needs then a WR.

Is Martz a WR god............In the draft this year, who runs well enough routes to play for sir Martz

[MR. WEBBER]

Yeah because Martz is the WR coach right?

wow,do you really think martz has no say so with the whole offense?each position has its own coach.do you think all he does is call plays?get a clue my man

[ninersgold]

Yeah because Martz is the WR coach right?

No cuz Jerry Sullivan is and Bryant Johnson said it himself, he is a great teacher for route running and blocking. Johnson said thanks to Sullivan he was able to be a great route runner and it helped him a lot.

Sullivan's teachings are the things we don't appreciate enough. Blocking and route running. We say he sucks, but he hasn't had a fast WR with at least some talent, that was willing to learn the strict route running. Lelie is lazy and doesn't care so Sullivan was frustrated that his route running was terrible, and he refused to keep practicing, because he thinks he should just be a starter.

As we have seen, Hardy is willing to take in as much as he can from his coaches and especially WR coach. he is working on his werakness remember? He is working on his speed and route running. He said that he hopes to have a WR coach that will help him with his route running.

Sullivan would be a perfect fit for Hardy. He is teaching the things Hardy just happens to lack, route running and blocking 100% of the time, Hardy can and will block but he doesn't all the time, and Hardy is willing to learn from anyone. Exactly what Sullivan likes and wants. Also since Hardy has takent with hands and speed, he would actually excel. Instead of the D Jack and Battle type WRs. Battle doesn't have great speed and his hands are ok, his route running is great and he is great at blocking (Sullivan's work) so he looks ok. D Jack lacked speed and catching and was only good at run blocking and since he was a veteran and lacked size, had an excuse for not blocking.

If we get Sullivan someone who is fast and has some talent, he can make them great and a great all around WR.

Sullivan may be overated but now you guys are starting to make him sound like complete... :stinker:

[MR. WEBBER]

^ yeah.that too

[pepe]

Why would Mike Martz a receiver who has trouble separating?

[MR. WEBBER]

Why would Mike Martz a receiver who has trouble separating?

do you just repeat everything you read?

[pepe]

do you just repeat everything you read?

Hardy runs a 4.6. and said himself, on tape, that he needs to work on his speed. Martz likes fast and nifty type receivers. That's not me reciting anybody's opinion. It's plain fact.

[MR. WEBBER]

needing to work on his speed and seperation are 2 different things

[toolsalesman]

Hardy runs a 4.6. and said himself, on tape, that he needs to work on his speed. Martz likes fast and nifty type receivers. That's not me reciting anybody's opinion. It's plain fact.

So the stop watch were off at the combine. 4.47 -4.51. That is no 4.6.

[toolsalesman]

Why would Mike Martz a receiver who has trouble separating?

OK good point.......................Who coming out of the draft this year has no trouble seperating.............you got to have someone in mind.

[ninersgold]

Why would Mike Martz a receiver who has trouble separating?

You are assuming that because he is tall. That is complete :francis:

You should :surrender: while you still can.

[ninersgold]

Hardy runs a 4.6. and said himself, on tape, that he needs to work on his speed. Martz likes fast and nifty type receivers. That's not me reciting anybody's opinion. It's plain fact.

That is also :francis: he has actually practiced his speed all moth previous to the combine. Believe it or not, he actually learned how to run faster instead of long striding from that 40 time training, which shaved his 40 time to a nice 4.47. Very good for a guy who is just under 6'6". Some 6'4" guys run that.

:surrender:
he said he is wroking on his speed for the NFL,cause he knows everyone is fast in the NFL and he can't just rely on his talent and athleticism.

Remember this is before he started the combine, this is the video of him first arriving and getting asked questions at the combine.

He also has the :flex: 18 reps on the bench so he has great strength for a WR. He just needs to be coached in technique and get some experience, than he could be a threat in the NFL.

[nikkayeah]

Hardy runs a 4.6. and said himself, on tape, that he needs to work on his speed. Martz likes fast and nifty type receivers. That's not me reciting anybody's opinion. It's plain fact.

where did u get this 4.6 crap?

[SBbound49ers]

1. being a junior is not a negative
2. you dont know about his character
3. our scheme adapts to our players (ie more deep slants if we got hardy)

also, he is more than a red zone target. he has hands, size, toughness and speed to work the middle.

Yes it is.

[MR. WEBBER]

Yes it is.

what is better,a year of pro experience?or being a senior coming out in the draft?

[49ersforlife5x]

what is better,a year of pro experience?or being a senior coming out in the draft?

Depends. (Depends are for Grannies)
You could get a Meachem, or a Vernon Davis out of it.

[MR. WEBBER]

what?injured players?they still get to sit in on practices.see what the nfl is all about,stand on the sidelines during games.take it all in.they get to learn compared to going against competition that probably wont make it to the pros

[SBbound49ers]

what is better,a year of pro experience?or being a senior coming out in the draft?

What good is the experience if you dont see the field?

Most juniors arent ready to contribute right away. The all mighty Calvin Johnson was the 4th best wideout on DET last year. Jammal Anderson didnt record a single sack.

Maybe if they had returned for their senior years, polished up a bit more, they could be ready to be valuable starters right away.

[MR. WEBBER]

most rookie wr's dont make an impact,there are a few exceptions,but its not the norm.it usually takes 2-3 years in the pros to make an impact.so one year of seeing everything up close is better then playing another year in college,plus you might get hurt your senior year,like so many players have

[pepe]

where did u get this 4.6 crap?

Player Spotlight; James Hardy - www.football.comMar 10, 2008 ... James Hardy from Indiana is a legitimate 6-6 receiving threat with a long ... Hardy ran exactly a 4.6 in the 40-yard dash so his individual ...
www.football.com/nflexclusives/player_spotlight_james_hardy.html - 56k -

[pepe]

OK good point.......................Who coming out of the draft this year has no trouble seperating.............you got to have someone in mind.

Donnie Avery. He's been compared to Ted Ginn Jr. If you're going to go WR and I'm not so sure that the Niner will, then Avery seems more in line with the type of WR Martz prefers.

[pepe]

You are assuming that because he is tall. That is complete :francis:

You should :surrender: while you still can.

No, not because he's tall. I'm assuming it based on his own words.

[toolsalesman]

Player Spotlight; James Hardy - www.football.comMar 10, 2008 ... James Hardy from Indiana is a legitimate 6-6 receiving threat with a long ... Hardy ran exactly a 4.6 in the 40-yard dash so his individual ...
www.football.com/nflexclusives/player_spotlight_james_hardy.html - 56k -

neither linked worked..........TRY NFL.COM

[pepe]

That is also :francis: he has actually practiced his speed all moth previous to the combine. Believe it or not, he actually learned how to run faster instead of long striding from that 40 time training, which shaved his 40 time to a nice 4.47. Very good for a guy who is just under 6'6". Some 6'4" guys run that.

:surrender:
he said he is wroking on his speed for the NFL,cause he knows everyone is fast in the NFL and he can't just rely on his talent and athleticism.

Remember this is before he started the combine, this is the video of him first arriving and getting asked questions at the combine.

He also has the :flex: 18 reps on the bench so he has great strength for a WR. He just needs to be coached in technique and get some experience, than he could be a threat in the NFL.

Well, it's actually not the first time I've heard of a guy improving his speed. And if he in did so and it translates to the football filed, then I think it's great, good for Hardy. But whether it translates remains to be seen. All I know so far is that he makes a big end zone target. I don't see a Plaxico in him. He's also had trouble with the law.

[pepe]

neither linked worked..........TRY NFL.COM

*Combine / Workout Assessment*: Ran a 4.6 in the 40 while not being overly impressive in any of his drills.


From Football.Com

[ninersgold]

Player Spotlight; James Hardy - www.football.comMar 10, 2008 ... James Hardy from Indiana is a legitimate 6-6 receiving threat with a long ... Hardy ran exactly a 4.6 in the 40-yard dash so his individual ...
www.football.com/nflexclusives/player_spotlight_james_hardy.html - 56k -

Here is from a newspaper article a more reliable source than that *****. get your facts straight...

http://www.journalgazette.net/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080306/SPORTS0301/803060348/0/SPORTS
After running the 40-yard dash in 4.47 seconds at the NFL Combine, Hardy decided to skip that activity on Wednesday.

“My agent told me I had nothing else to prove,” he said.

[ninersgold]

*Combine / Workout Assessment*: Ran a 4.6 in the 40 while not being overly impressive in any of his drills.


From Football.Com

No really try NFL.com, wher eit shows he ran a 4.47.
:surrender: while you can!

[SB49er4life]

What good is the experience if you dont see the field?

Most juniors arent ready to contribute right away. The all mighty Calvin Johnson was the 4th best wideout on DET last year. Jammal Anderson didnt record a single sack.

Maybe if they had returned for their senior years, polished up a bit more, they could be ready to be valuable starters right away.

I don't think that's a question that's going to have teh same answer for everyone. It depends on the individual, the situation they are in, and quality of coaching.

For example, an offensive skill player coming into the league and playing under a Jim Hostler his first year might as well have stayed in school.

But that same player coming into the league and playing under a Bill Belichek, Mike Martz or a Norv Turner is going to have a plethora of knowledge going into his 2nd season that he simply wouldn't be able to get in college.

[MR. WEBBER]

I don't think that's a question that's going to have teh same answer for everyone. It depends on the individual, the situation they are in, and quality of coaching.

For example, an offensive skill player coming into the league and playing under a Jim Hostler his first year might as well have stayed in school.

But that same player coming into the league and playing under a Bill Belichek, Mike Martz or a Norv Turner is going to have a plethora of knowledge going into his 2nd season that he simply wouldn't be able to get in college.

so wouldnt that mean drafting hardy wouldnt be that bad of an idea since we have martz?

[SB49er4life]

so wouldnt that mean drafting hardy wouldnt be that bad of an idea since we have martz?

I'm more than sure Martz' will be included in the offensive drafting process, and a lot of it will depend on how HE feels a WR could gel into his offense.

We have a better chance of getting a rookie WR on the field and producing with a guru like Martz over your average OC, but at the same time, he's not a miracle worker; he can't FORCE a player to develop quicker than his physical and mental make-up allows him to.

But I don't think Martz would have a tough time incorporating a 6-7 WR with soft hands into an offense..

[MR. WEBBER]

I'm more than sure Martz' will be included in the offensive drafting process, and a lot of it will depend on how HE feels a WR could gel into his offense.

We have a better chance of getting a rookie WR on the field and producing with a guru like Martz over your average OC, but at the same time, he's not a miracle worker; he can't FORCE a player to develop quicker than his physical and mental make-up allows him to.

But I don't think Martz would have a tough time incorporating a 6-7 WR with soft hands into an offense..

agreed.i think that if anyone can bring out the best in a wr it would be martz

[SB49er4life]

agreed.i think that if anyone can bring out the best in a wr it would be martz

I think Hardy is one of a few WR's that can produce in his rookie year; you don't have to be a refined route runner to be a red zone target at 6-7.

I also, IMO, don't think we draft a WR on the 1st day if he is not EXPE.CTED to contribute immediately.

We don't have time for projects anymore; although McCloughans' job is not on the line, him and Nolan are close, so I know he will try and give Nolan the best chance to succeed THIS year

[MR. WEBBER]

i dont see alot of the wr's in rounds 3-7 contributing right away