Numbers game, We NEEDED the men we drafted!

[jrs4280]

With the draft in the rear view mirror, half of the board is happy while the other half is less then pleased. But it is simple...its all a numbers game. We needed these guys. If you look at our team, we had NO depth at the O-Line, NONE! And now that Baas has a torn pec, what does this leave us? A converted former D-Line men turned O-line, or Wag, sure he has filled in nicely but for a full season? We lost two players guys with the loss of Smiley and the probable Allen. These players need to be replaced.

The same goes for the D-line, We lost the keystone to this team with BY and then lose Dougles to free agnecy. These players need to be replaced. And the team did that. Not to mention draft a player that will make the new leader of the defense...WILLIS, even better. We drafted the BPA that we had a need for, the fell to us and we wasted no time taking him.

Now we look at the Wideouts. And lets face it, the team improved the talent with free agency. With the additon of Bruce and Johnson, who replace Djack and Gilmore. And yes these are upgrades. And lets not forget that we don't know what we have in Hill and the hopes that Martz system can use Lelie to his strong points of a deep threat. The current roster has more wideouts then we can carry for a season. This is not a pressing need. Granted I am not going to lie to you and say, I didn't want a Jackson or Sweed, because I would have loved them, but its not a need.

Now we take the topic of Groves, once again I am not going to lie and say I didn't want him, but we have so many backers, We have TBC who is and will be a better situational pass rusher, Moore who is like Jason Hill in that we don't really know what we have, Parys and Oliver who has been solid, and not to mention Manny will be back. Groves just was not a need. Groves would have been a luxury.

This draft was not sexy but did make this team better. Our team is right in the middle of the spectrum. We are in far better shape then the teams that have no talent, that can take anyone and it will improve their roster, and we are not the Pats that can just draft at will.

[JASON]

Now we look at the Wideouts. And lets face it, the team improved the talent with free agency. With the additon of Bruce and Johnson, who replace Djack and Gilmore. And yes these are upgrades. And lets not forget that we don't know what we have in Hill and the hopes that Martz system can use Lelie to his strong points of a deep threat. The current roster has more wideouts then we can carry for a season. This is not a pressing need. Granted I am not going to lie to you and say, I didn't want a Jackson or Sweed, because I would have loved them, but its not a need.
Agreed. Bruce and Johnson are huge upgrades and the Niners can adress the WR position next year. If we would have drafted a LB or WR then our biggest weaknesses would still be there. O Line and D Line.

[94949'er]

you lost all credibility when you trotted out "Parys, and Harrison (???) " and for the LOL of all LOL's, "TBC who is and will be a better situational pass rusher". Pepsi Machine is a better situational pass rusher than TBC.

[jrs4280]

you lost all credibility when you trotted out "Parys, and Harrison (???) " and for the LOL of all LOL's, "TBC who is and will be a better situational pass rusher". Pepsi Machine is a better situational pass rusher than TBC.

Its no secret that TBC is not a full time player, and does far better in the situational pass rush. And Parys and sorry for the type-o "Oliver" have been solid depth on this team

[jrs4280]

you lost all credibility when you trotted out "Parys, and Harrison (???) " and for the LOL of all LOL's, "TBC who is and will be a better situational pass rusher". Pepsi Machine is a better situational pass rusher than TBC.

And by the way, read the post. Its all about having player and depth in position and not having depth in a position and drafting to correct the lack of depth, rather then drafting a 12th wideout for the roster.

[94949'er]

Its no secret that TBC is not a full time player, and does far better in the situational pass rush. And Parys and sorry for the type-o "Oliver" have been solid depth on this team

yes, TBC is better in situational duty. that's like saying root canal is better in smaller doses. and herpes is better in small breakouts. just like slow, fat, disinterested, soft, one dimensional losers are better coming off the bench as opposed to playing the whole game. what's the next nugget - "gravity sucks"?

[jrs4280]

yes, TBC is better in situational duty. that's like saying root canal is better in smaller doses. and herpes is better in small breakouts. just like slow, fat, disinterested, soft, one dimensional losers are better coming off the bench as opposed to playing the whole game. what's the next nugget - "gravity sucks"?

Once again let us review the point of the thread, We have more outside backers then d-line men. We have more wideouts then the roster can carry during a season. We have no depth on the O-line. So to put it into terms for you, by drafting more of something that the team already has, is like having herpes and going out and getting more herpes, its only going to hurt you in the end. Let me know if you need more help with the reading comprehension of this thread. Thanks and have a great night!

[9errealist]

Now we look at the Wideouts. And lets face it, the team improved the talent with free agency. With the additon of Bruce and Johnson, who replace Djack and Gilmore. And yes these are upgrades. And lets not forget that we don't know what we have in Hill and the hopes that Martz system can use Lelie to his strong points of a deep threat. The current roster has more wideouts then we can carry for a season. This is not a pressing need. Granted I am not going to lie to you and say, I didn't want a Jackson or Sweed, because I would have loved them, but its not a need.
Agreed. Bruce and Johnson are huge upgrades and the Niners can adress the WR position next year. If we would have drafted a LB or WR then our biggest weaknesses would still be there. O Line and D Line.
I disagree to some extent. While we did improve the WR spot with Bruce and BJ, it's only a short term solution. Bruce is on the decline and BJ is only here for 1 year. As for the rest of the WR's Lelie is a bust and Hill is still a BIG ????. I wanted to see us grab at lease one of the top WR's in the draft. We haven't given Alex any long term target. I don't like the one and done effect of BJ because if he breaks out this year he'll be sought after and would likely leave. If that happens we're back to square one with no target for the QB.

[pepe]

Numbers game, We NEEDED the men we drafted!

Indeed....we are who we thought we were! :laugh:

[jrs4280]

I disagree to some extent. While we did improve the WR spot with Bruce and BJ, it's only a short term solution. Bruce is on the decline and BJ is only here for 1 year. As for the rest of the WR's Lelie is a bust and Hill is still a BIG ????. I wanted to see us grab at lease one of the top WR's in the draft. We haven't given Alex any long term target. I don't like the one and done effect of BJ because if he breaks out this year he'll be sought after and would likely leave. If that happens we're back to square one with no target for the QB.

This is very true, But this can be addressed next year with free agency and the draft.

[49ercomeback530]

yes, TBC is better in situational duty. that's like saying root canal is better in smaller doses. and herpes is better in small breakouts. just like slow, fat, disinterested, soft, one dimensional losers are better coming off the bench as opposed to playing the whole game. what's the next nugget - "gravity sucks"?:falldownlaugh:

[ninerlvr4lyfe]

Now we look at the Wideouts. And lets face it, the team improved the talent with free agency. With the additon of Bruce and Johnson, who replace Djack and Gilmore. And yes these are upgrades. And lets not forget that we don't know what we have in Hill and the hopes that Martz system can use Lelie to his strong points of a deep threat. The current roster has more wideouts then we can carry for a season. This is not a pressing need. Granted I am not going to lie to you and say, I didn't want a Jackson or Sweed, because I would have loved them, but its not a need.
Agreed. Bruce and Johnson are huge upgrades and the Niners can adress the WR position next year. If we would have drafted a LB or WR then our biggest weaknesses would still be there. O Line and D Line.

Very much agreed! I.Bruce and Johnson are definate upgrades and i know that we all wanted Sweed and Groves.. that would have been a super SUPER sexy one and 2! and that would have changed up the WHOLE board and the way we look at it! and we all saw Balmer going in the TOP 20 in the mocks.. so for Balmer to drop to us at 29.. that was awesome! if we didnt take him.. im sure someone like the NYG or MIA would have taken him.. they could have used him RIGHT AWAY! look at Merling lasting until the 32nd pick! thats a STEAL for MIA.. as was Balmer for us.. i thought balmer was going to be gone by the time we were going to pick and im sure that EVERYONE thought the SAME way.. thats why his name didnt come up.. and someone like Groves DID.. bc he was ranked in the LATE first and EARLY 2nd rounds.. we either was going to take him at 29 or 39.. and he was there for both! so was L.Sweed if im not mistaken! but if we had taken Sweed 1.. Balmer would have been gone.. and if we took groves 2.. then the glaring obvious needs at OL and DL would have been there and ppl would sit here and talk about not taking balmer when we could.. and what not.. im personally am happy with the draft.. we addressed alot of needs.. yeah i think we could have taken a OLB like adibi in the 3rd.. but im happy with our guy.. im happy with everything we have done! this year should be that turning point if everyone can gel together and if everyone does their part.. i think we can really make a move here.. we have depth at alot more positions.. and it looks like alot of our holes have sealed up! as long as the performance is there.. it should be alright!

[ninerlvr4lyfe]

I disagree to some extent. While we did improve the WR spot with Bruce and BJ, it's only a short term solution. Bruce is on the decline and BJ is only here for 1 year. As for the rest of the WR's Lelie is a bust and Hill is still a BIG ????. I wanted to see us grab at lease one of the top WR's in the draft. We haven't given Alex any long term target. I don't like the one and done effect of BJ because if he breaks out this year he'll be sought after and would likely leave. If that happens we're back to square one with no target for the QB.

Which is tru.. but in the same sense, we cant be looking for LONG TERM right now.. we all know that if we took a WR in the first round, all it would do is take up space, bc this guy wouldnt see the field very often and he wouldnt get the ball as often as we all would like.. we would wonder why he had 49 catches and 593 yds at the end of the year and only 2 tds.. but for guys like Bruce who knows the system of martz and really EXCELLED in that system.. thats a HUGE upgrade in its own right.. and for Johnson, who is speedy, physical, smart and has learned behind 2 "could be hall of fame caliber" wr's he can really make a larger impact than any first round draft pick ever could do! we need to worry about winning NOW.. if we make the playoffs then we can really worry about NEXT year and what we need future wise.. but RIGHT NOW.. we need to win NOW and we need to tackle more deeper positons! OLINE- DLINE.. the trenches where games are won and lost.. and thats what we did.. we went 1 and 2 with the biggest positions of need! ppl who can really contribute right away in the 08 season! and i think these guys can REALLY do that! and i do think these were larger needs than a WR..

if B.Johnson does soo well in the first few weeks of the season, we can probly lure him into a longer term contract.. that can ALWAYS happen! or shop him for Draft picks or something! haha.. but i doubt that will happen.. but there is the option for contract extention during the season..

[rjk*49]

This is very true, But this can be addressed next year with free agency and the draft.

Don't forget that if Bryant Johnson has a great year, we will probably offer him a great contract and incentives to resign with us. He'll be a year into this system, he will have proven himself, he'll be accepted here, and be worth a lot more than a flyer in the draft, or an unlikely emerging "star" in FA next season.

[ninerlvr4lyfe]

Don't forget that if Bryant Johnson has a great year, we will probably offer him a great contract and incentives to resign with us. He'll be a year into this system, he will have proven himself, he'll be accepted here, and be worth a lot more than a flyer in the draft, or an unlikely emerging "star" in FA next season.

haha, i just wrote exactly that in a different thread! there is always the option to keep him around at the end of the season or extend his contract during the season! loll

[49ERSFAN$LIFE]

Don't forget that if Bryant Johnson has a great year, we will probably offer him a great contract and incentives to resign with us. He'll be a year into this system, he will have proven himself, he'll be accepted here, and be worth a lot more than a flyer in the draft, or an unlikely emerging "star" in FA next season.

Not to mention he has a great receiver to teach him about holding onto the ball... the one problem johnson has is his hands and what better player to teach you than isaac bruce