Mark Sanchez - Early Heisman Hopeful ?

[SB49er4life]

If he keeps playing at this level, I don't see why he won't be in New York come December. He looks better than JDB has in the last 2 years, if you ask me, plus he has a much stronger arm, better pocket presence, and better escapability.

Absolutely tore OSU's over-rated D a brand new, fresh 2-hole. And he did it with a bunch of WR's who will NOT be 1st day draft picks, for a change.

Realistic or Homeristic thoughts ?

[SB49er4life]

It's very difficult to get recognized and win it in the same year. Maybe next year though.

Not if you're a legit national championship contender.

If USC is 12-0 going into their BCS bowl game, and Sanchez has thrown for like ~35 TD's and ~10 INT's... he will get noticed.

It also helps that there aren't really any Reggie Bush/Matt Leinart/Adrian Peterson type players in college football this year. Not to say the top players right now aren't gonna be good, but I don't think there are any guys who have been ridiculously good in college football the last couple years.

[Adrian]

Yea Sanchez has easily pulled out into the early lead with Daniel close behind.

[rathman53]

I dont get this sudden facination with Sanchez. I wasnt all that immpresed with him last weekend. The Numbers werent really there either. Maybe Im blind

[Adrian]

I dont get this sudden facination with Sanchez. I wasnt all that immpresed with him last weekend. The Numbers werent really there either. Maybe Im blind

Well..he did shred a very good defense in Ohio State, too bad OSU's offense is garbage.

[WildCardBound]

I'd put Sanchez in the lead as well. But I believe the other two mentioned could just as easily win it (Bradford and Daniels).

[Hobbes2d]

Yes I think so.

Daniel I think will lose votes to Maclin.

Bradford, lets see what he can do against a ranked team.

Knowshon Moreno will be in the hunt.

[majesstik1]

yeah who wants to play in NC gms and be a celeb in LA...I would rather go to Baylor, Duke, or SMU...:slap:

June Jones FTW!

[SB49er4life]

Yes I think so.

Daniel I think will lose votes to Maclin.

Bradford, lets see what he can do against a ranked team.

Knowshon Moreno will be in the hunt.

Knowshon is far too good to NOT be in the hunt.

I haven't seen a great deal of Sam Bradford, so I apologize if my view seems a little biased, but it's just tough to find much weakness in Sanchez' game right now.

Also, Sanchez isn't working with the type of WR/TE talent that Leinart/Booty had, throwing to a crew of guys who were all off the draft board by the end of the 2nd round.

Coming from a USC fan, Patrick Turner is completely over-rated, and none of the other guys strike me as anything special.

[SB49er4life]

Micheal Crabtree, Jeremy Maclin, Tim Tebow all come to mind...

I like Tebow a lot, and it would be awesome to see him find success in the pro's, but he is a QB in a college offense that doesn't translate to the NFL.

People are already saying he might not even get drafted as a QB, so that already takes him outta the conversation for a "can't miss" pro prospect.

I wanna see what all this fuss about Crabtree is all about. I actually haven't really been able to see him ball much at all.

[SB49er4life]

MARK SANCHEZ IS OVERRATED, JUST LOOK AT ALL THE TALENT HE HAS AT USC

its rly not fair that USC had been a top team for all these years, and its only because the top athletes WANT to play for a good team so they declare for USC alot.

USC always has a easy schedule, this year they have an easy schedule, and does that mean they wont be going to the National championship or do they get to go>

the system is so flawed, thats why i hate college football

LoL... do you realize USC has stomped out EVERY non-conference opponent under Pete Carroll outside of Texas, who they barely lost to in a poorly officiated game ?

As an SC fan, I WISH they would have us play in the SEC one year, just so we could run the table and shut everyone up for good.

By the way, Cal, Oregon and Arizona St. have been in the Top 25 or higher at some point the last few years, and ALL were in the Top 5 at some point last year...

Ya, it's the system.

[Hobbes2d]

Knowshon is far too good to NOT be in the hunt.

I haven't seen a great deal of Sam Bradford, so I apologize if my view seems a little biased, but it's just tough to find much weakness in Sanchez' game right now.

Also, Sanchez isn't working with the type of WR/TE talent that Leinart/Booty had, throwing to a crew of guys who were all off the draft board by the end of the 2nd round.

Coming from a USC fan, Patrick Turner is completely over-rated, and none of the other guys strike me as anything special.

Bradford is overrated. People talk about USC's talent, well what about OU? DeMarco Murray? Chris Brown? Phil Loadholt, Duke Robinson, and 3 other NFL caliber Olinemen. Last year Malcolm Kelly was there, Jermaine Gresham is the best TE prospect in the nation, kid is a beast. Ryan Broyles looks very good so far, as a RS freshman. Iglesias is very good too. Guy has the easiest job in the world.

USC is talented on offense sure, but most of it is at RB. Their oline is not like OU's. They don't have talent like Gresham at TE. Their only WR I like is Damien Williams. Although Ronald Johnson has potential. Turner is overrated for sure. He at least looks in shape this year. He's been too heavy in the past. He probably should have been moved to TE.

Sanchez I think has a very good chance, he will get plenty of exposure and if he continues to play well in the big games, then he's got a good a shot as anyone.

[Hobbes2d]

MARK SANCHEZ IS OVERRATED, JUST LOOK AT ALL THE TALENT HE HAS AT USC

its rly not fair that USC had been a top team for all these years, and its only because the top athletes WANT to play for a good team so they declare for USC alot.

USC always has a easy schedule, this year they have an easy schedule, and does that mean they wont be going to the National championship or do they get to go>

the system is so flawed, thats why i hate college football

So you mean other top schools get ****ty players? Yeah try again. Top players often go to top schools. How unfair!

USC also doesn't have an easy schedule. They often have one of the toughest non-conference schedules of anyone, and the Pac-10 isn't exactly easy otherwise USC would go undefeated every year. What a surprise that other than Texas, their only losses over the past 5 years have been to conference opponents. Yet they've destroyed teams like Nebraska, Ohio State, Auburn, Arkansas, Hawaii, Oklahoma, Iowa, Michigan, Illinois etc.

[SB49er4life]

So you mean other top schools get ****ty players? Yeah try again. Top players often go to top schools. How unfair!

USC also doesn't have an easy schedule. They often have one of the toughest non-conference schedules of anyone, and the Pac-10 isn't exactly easy otherwise USC would go undefeated every year. What a surprise that other than Texas, their only losses over the past 5 years have been to conference opponents. Yet they've destroyed teams like Nebraska, Ohio State, Auburn, Arkansas, Hawaii, Oklahoma, Iowa, Michigan, Illinois etc.

People need to stop letting ESPN do all the thinking for them and act like the SEC is the "End All, Be All" of college football. The other major conferences have every bit as many top prospects and elite players as the SEC does.

It's just, from top to bottom, the Pac-10 doesn't have as many strong football PROGRAMS as the SEC does, so people get this foolish impression that the players from the other conferences aren't good players.

It's D-Ia football in a major conference; that's the way I look at it. You don't play for ANY of those schools if you're a chump player.

Furthermore, to the point of "SEC has the best defensive players", recent early, hyped SEC players like Quentin Moses, Jarvis Moss and Jamaal Anderson are rapidly approaching "bust" status, while Pac-10 (the "soft" conference) has pumped out players like Haloti Ngata, Brandon Mebane and Lofa Tatupu, who have all been heavy contributors on excellent defenses.

[Hobbes2d]

People need to stop letting ESPN do all the thinking for them and act like the SEC is the "End All, Be All" of college football. The other major conferences have every bit as many top prospects and elite players as the SEC does.

It's just, from top to bottom, the Pac-10 doesn't have as many strong football PROGRAMS as the SEC does, so people get this foolish impression that the players from the other conferences aren't good players.

It's D-Ia football in a major conference; that's the way I look at it. You don't play for ANY of those schools if you're a chump player.

Furthermore, to the point of "SEC has the best defensive players", recent early, hyped SEC players like Quentin Moses, Jarvis Moss and Jamaal Anderson are rapidly approaching "bust" status, while Pac-10 (the "soft" conference) has pumped out players like Haloti Ngata, Brandon Mebane and Lofa Tatupu, who have all been heavy contributors on excellent defenses.

I don't even buy that. A lot of those SEC teams, while they can play teams tough, they are mostly a joke. Almost all of them never play any games outside of their own region. I love my Gators, but I can't even tell you the last time they played west of Louisiana.

[SB49er4life]

I don't even buy that. A lot of those SEC teams, while they can play teams tough, they are mostly a joke. Almost all of them never play any games outside of their own region. I love my Gators, but I can't even tell you the last time they played west of Louisiana.

I respect that... one of my SC fan friend's and I got into it with our other buddy (Gator's fan), and boy was he pissed when we threw all this in his face !

As good as some of those D's are, the offenses in the SEC don't compare to the ones in the Pac-10.

Weren't there idiots that were saying things like "DeSean Jackson wouldn't be making those plays in the SEC" ?

[Hobbes2d]

I respect that... one of my SC fan friend's and I got into it with our other buddy (Gator's fan), and boy was he pissed when we threw all this in his face !

As good as some of those D's are, the offenses in the SEC don't compare to the ones in the Pac-10.

Weren't there idiots that were saying things like "DeSean Jackson wouldn't be making those plays in the SEC" ?


Yes, yet he made plays in both games Cal played vs Tennessee. Yet did nothing whenever they played USC.

[The OLD Cookie Monster]

USC is better than any SEC team.

[Hobbes2d]

USC is better than any SEC team.

So by definition Stanford is better than the SEC! Go Cardinal! :laugh:

[The OLD Cookie Monster]

So by definition Stanford is better than the SEC! Go Cardinal! :laugh:

:laugh: I wish. I almost don't want Stanford to beat USC this year just so USC can show up the SEC and let the country know that the Pac-10 isn't a fraud.


I am willing to take one for the conference here. :laugh:





Let's not kid ourselves though, Stanford stands no chance against USC.

[Hobbes2d]

:laugh: I wish. I almost don't want Stanford to beat USC this year just so USC can show up the SEC and let the country know that the Pac-10 isn't a fraud.


I am willing to take one for the conference here. :laugh:





Let's not kid ourselves though, Stanford stands no chance against USC.

Don't underestimate the power of the Harbaugh. :slap:

[The OLD Cookie Monster]

USC would score over 30 points on that Auburn D.

[650Niners]

Well..he did shred a very good defense in Ohio State, too bad OSU's offense is garbage.
Yeah, its not minor league baseball where you score crazy #'s.
THe same reason Josh Johnson was not the 1st QB drafted

[majesstik1]

USC would score over 30 points on that Auburn D.

I doubt it, but we'll never know.

[WildCardBound]

Auburn just has to meet them in the NC game. Get there.

I dont really care who makes it to the NC game for the SEC, I just want to see a USC vs "Anyone from the SEC" game.

[Hobbes2d]

I doubt it, but we'll never know.

You think this year's Auburn D is better than 02 or 03? USC put up 23 and 24 points against Auburn those years.

[Adrian]

the real ball is played on the west, everybody knows that.

People need to keep in mind that the best defense last year came from the Pac-10 and that was Oregon State.

& yes, LSU would get owned by USC.


1. No its really not, why do most west coast teams suck then? and why are mostly southern teams in the top 25?

2. LSU would NOT get owned by USC. LSU lost a lot of studs this past year, but their playmakers would still keep them in the game until the 4th quarter
(Scott, Williams, Holliday, Byrd). It would be anything but a route.

[majesstik1]

You think this year's Auburn D is better than 02 or 03? USC put up 23 and 24 points against Auburn those years.

This isn't the same USC team as those years either.

I think any team this year is going to have a tough go of it versus our defense. We're playing outstanding football on that side right now. As long as the offense doesn't turn the ball over in field goal range, chances are good we're going to get the ball back without giving up any points.

[Adrian]

1. Remember that the Pac 10 is composed of 10 teams. The SEC has how many teams? Tennessee who is supposed to be a very solid team in the SEC had gotten owned by Cal and now UCLA. On top of that remember that Utah and BYU are also on the west.

2. Who would keep them in the game? The minute Keiland Williams turned the corner Rey Maualuga, Brian Cushing and Taylor Mays would just be waiting to light him up. On the offensive side of the ball its pick your poison. which 5 star runningback do you wanna face?

Keiland Williams isnt LSU's best RB. Charles Scott is. USC's defense is good, but Ohio State moved the ball pretty good the first half, but self destructed and couldnt capitalize If Virginia can score a TD, then LSU can score much more. I just listed the names in the first post and Richard *****on and Terrance Toliver would help as well. LSU's weakness this year is QB. If Perriloux had still been there, this team might've gone back to back or at the very least be back in the SEC Chamionship game.

[SB49er4life]

:laugh: I wish. I almost don't want Stanford to beat USC this year just so USC can show up the SEC and let the country know that the Pac-10 isn't a fraud.


I am willing to take one for the conference here. :laugh:





Let's not kid ourselves though, Stanford stands no chance against USC.

Harbaugh is just enough of a wacko to make me kinda dig Stanford.

I remember laughing at that crazy ******* when he was on ESPN in the summer months before the season predicting a W vs USC... and I also remember leaving LA Colisem feeling like an ******* over a defeat that cost basically the nat'l championship.

If you haven't been convinced that the Pac-10 isn't a fraud after back to back National Championship's by USC, 3 straight appearances and hanging 50+ pts on SEC powers like Arkansas probably doesn't watch much college football.

[SB49er4life]

This isn't the same USC team as those years either.

I think any team this year is going to have a tough go of it versus our defense. We're playing outstanding football on that side right now. As long as the offense doesn't turn the ball over in field goal range, chances are good we're going to get the ball back without giving up any points.

Mississiippi St's offense is a FAR cry from USC's offense....

Any standouts on D at Auburn right now, maj ?

[majesstik1]

Mississiippi St's offense is a FAR cry from USC's offense....

Any standouts on D at Auburn right now, maj ?

I'm not making that comparison. Nor am I trying to bring up teams from years passed. So far, this season, we have allowed a total of 13 points in three games, and Southern Miss has some ballers on their offense, and both the other teams have good RBs (except Dixon was nursing an injury when we played them). If we had any semblance of an offense, we'd be on the field longer, and that 13 would probably be a lower number.

As far as standouts, the main guy is Sen'Derrick Marks at DT (7 tkls and 4.5 TFLs), he was also making plays last year. The pass rush comes from Antonio Coleman. Our first play on defense this year was him getting a sack/forced fumble that we scooped up by Michael Goggans for a TD. So far this year, he has 4 TFLs, 3 Sacks, and 3 QB Hurries. Tez Doolittle's been doing it a little from the middle as well.

LBs are led by a finally healthy Trey Blackmon. Small in size, but hits hard. Johnson is back too...and Stevens is solid but unspectacular.

The guy to keep an eye on in the secondary is Jerraud Powers. We don't play press coverage very much anymore, so he doesn't get to beat up WRs like last year, but he's an animal. Already has 18 tkls and an INT. He's as physical of a corner as you'll find in college football.

The three that have the most NFL potential are Marks, Coleman, and Powers.

[SB49er4life]

I'm not making that comparison. Nor am I trying to bring up teams from years passed. So far, this season, we have allowed a total of 13 points in three games, and Southern Miss has some ballers on their offense, and both the other teams have good RBs (except Dixon was nursing an injury when we played them). If we had any semblance of an offense, we'd be on the field longer, and that 13 would probably be a lower number.

As far as standouts, the main guy is Sen'Derrick Marks at DT (7 tkls and 4.5 TFLs), he was also making plays last year. The pass rush comes from Antonio Coleman. Our first play on defense this year was him getting a sack/forced fumble that we scooped up by Michael Goggans for a TD. So far this year, he has 4 TFLs, 3 Sacks, and 3 QB Hurries. Tez Doolittle's been doing it a little from the middle as well.

LBs are led by a finally healthy Trey Blackmon. Small in size, but hits hard. Johnson is back too...and Stevens is solid but unspectacular.

The guy to keep an eye on in the secondary is Jerraud Powers. We don't play press coverage very much anymore, so he doesn't get to beat up WRs like last year, but he's an animal. Already has 18 tkls and an INT. He's as physical of a corner as you'll find in college football.

The three that have the most NFL potential are Marks, Coleman, and Powers.

Well, hopefully we'll see y'all in the BCS 'ship game. I've always kinda liked Auburn as one of my secondary teams... they've just left much to be desired on the offensive side of the ball the last few years, IMO.

I don't follow the SEC too closely, but it seems as if it's wide open this year, with maybe Florida having a slight edge over the competition.

I wanna see (assuming they make it) for USC to play an SEC team for the championship this year.

[majesstik1]

I'd like to see USC vs the SEC too. It's what should have happened last year...and the year OU went over LSU.

Instead, I fear we'll get another USC/OU NCG, and OU will continue to further the stereotype that they don't belong in a BCS bowl game.

[Adrian]

Then again How many points did Ohio State score on them. Your best best to beat SC is to have a mobile QB otherwise you chances of beating them are slim to none.

In football there is no such thing as self destruct in an a certain half, its called "the other team made adjustments."

You do not need to have a mobile QB to beat them, all you need is a good QB that can manage a game and not make mistakes (Which is something LSU lacks right now). But USC is not invincible. They have weaknesses and arent the almighty USC team that everyone thinks they are..

And Ohio State self destructed by way of penalties in the first half which was crucial in the first few drives of the 1st half and they just couldnt keep the offense on the field. USC had nothing to do with it. They took advantage of OSU's screwups and pounded away at their defense and wore them out all night long.

[SB49er4life]

You do not need to have a mobile QB to beat them, all you need is a good QB that can manage a game and not make mistakes (Which is something LSU lacks right now). But USC is not invincible. They have weaknesses and arent the almighty USC team that everyone thinks they are..

And Ohio State self destructed by way of penalties in the first half which was crucial in the first few drives of the 1st half and they just couldnt keep the offense on the field. USC had nothing to do with it. They took advantage of OSU's screwups and pounded away at their defense and wore them out all night long.

Ohio St. destructed because they couldn't move the **** ball, and had no chance of stopping USC's offense. There aren't many excuses you can make for a team that only puts up 3 pts and gives up 35.

USC's defense outscored Ohio St.'s offense.

The only reason why USC isn't "invincible" is by default that it is a team made up by humans and is susceptible to human error.

The ONLY loss the Trojans' have had that wasn't a case of "beating themselves" was last year's loss vs. Oregon; they beat us straight up.

USC would run the table if they played in the SEC, and nobody wants to admit it.

[SB49er4life]

USC > Any team in the SEC

I respect that coming from an OSU fan.

Honestly, I was EXPECTING a much closer game from Ohio St. I figured that they had ALL WEEK to let that chip on their shoulder from being the underdog grow, and should have been salivating at the mouth at a chance to show that the team that we've seen get blown outta the water in the BCS 'ship games is not the real OSU... but they didn't.

Lauranitis looked particularly bad to me; he got turned around a few times by SC's fast RB's, and got pushed back at the POA a few times by there 200 lb RB's.

[roleplay3r1]

Keiland Williams isnt LSU's best RB. Charles Scott is.

Williams is a far better pro prospect than Scott. I know that's not what you were talking about but I just thought I'd point it out.

[TerrellOwns]

If he keeps playing at this level, I don't see why he won't be in New York come December. He looks better than JDB has in the last 2 years, if you ask me, plus he has a much stronger arm, better pocket presence, and better escapability.

Absolutely tore OSU's over-rated D a brand new, fresh 2-hole. And he did it with a bunch of WR's who will NOT be 1st day draft picks, for a change.

Realistic or Homeristic thoughts ?

haha still cant believe that fools on espn and ****

[SB49er4life]

haha still cant believe that fools on espn and ****

Mission Viejo hs is a ****in factory... they got another All-American QB that's going to Cal next year.

[majesstik1]

Williams is a far better pro prospect than Scott. I know that's not what you were talking about but I just thought I'd point it out.

A lot of NFL scouts/teams won't take a guy with ball security issues, so he's off a few teams boards right there, which Scott won't be.

[roleplay3r1]

A lot of NFL scouts/teams won't take a guy with ball security issues, so he's off a few teams boards right there, which Scott won't be.

Scott is so sloooow. I wouldn't draft him.

[Red Glare]

USC > Any team in the SEC

Is that cause their beatdown was more painful then the one that Florida or LSU were able to give you guys?

[ragde07]

Keiland Williams isnt LSU's best RB. Charles Scott is. USC's defense is good, but Ohio State moved the ball pretty good the first half, but self destructed and couldnt capitalize If Virginia can score a TD, then LSU can score much more. I just listed the names in the first post and Richard *****on and Terrance Toliver would help as well. LSU's weakness this year is QB. If Perriloux had still been there, this team might've gone back to back or at the very least be back in the SEC Chamionship game.

Everyone is so in love with mentioning what OSU did in the first half, im so sick and tired of it. They had the advantage in the time of possesion in the first half and still only put up 3 points. Did you know there is a second half? What did OSU do then? How did wonder kid Pryor look in the second half after USC adjusted to how OSU wanted to use him? I believe the 'powerful' OSU offense only got 30-40 total yards in that second half. You can blame it on Boekman all you want but Pryor wasn't any better in that second half.

Take a look at the link and as you will see OSU's "self destruction" was not the case. Also remember that OSU's fourth drive was kept alive by a bogus facemask call on USC's Kyle Moore AFTER OSU failed to convert on a third and short.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/scoreboards/2008/09/13/37875_drivechart.html

[Adrian]

Everyone is so in love with mentioning what OSU did in the first half, im so sick and tired of it. They had the advantage in the time of possesion in the first half and still only put up 3 points. Did you know there is a second half? What did OSU do then? How did wonder kid Pryor look in the second half after USC adjusted to how OSU wanted to use him? I believe the 'powerful' OSU offense only got 30-40 total yards in that second half. You can blame it on Boekman all you want but Pryor wasn't any better in that second half.

Take a look at the link and as you will see OSU's "self destruction" was not the case. Also remember that OSU's fourth drive was kept alive by a bogus facemask call on USC's Kyle Moore AFTER OSU failed to convert on a third and short.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/scoreboards/2008/09/13/37875_drivechart.html

Did you know that OSU shouldve at least scored 10 points in the first half? Do you know that when you're down 21-3 at halftime it takes the wind right out your sails?

So when OSU went down at halftime, there was no chance they were going to come back and win. No way the come back an win from that score against any top 10-15 team.

[Adrian]

Ohio St. destructed because they couldn't move the **** ball, and had no chance of stopping USC's offense. There aren't many excuses you can make for a team that only puts up 3 pts and gives up 35.

USC's defense outscored Ohio St.'s offense.

The only reason why USC isn't "invincible" is by default that it is a team made up by humans and is susceptible to human error.

The ONLY loss the Trojans' have had that wasn't a case of "beating themselves" was last year's loss vs. Oregon; they beat us straight up.

USC would run the table if they played in the SEC, and nobody wants to admit it.

The 1st 3 or 4 drives OSU moved the ball pretty well, but penalties pushed them back and couldnt make up for it. Once USC got ahead and when Boeckman threw the INT, it was pretty much wrapped up. They ahad all the momentum and were not going to give it up at home.

USC is a great team, but they are beatable. Having Wells couldve helped the running game and passing game tremendously off the playaction, but who knows.

USC is probably better than every SEC team, but I bet any of you guys money that they WOULDNT run the table in the SEC this year. Absolutley no way.

[Rockyn]

The 1st 3 or 4 drives OSU moved the ball pretty well, but penalties pushed them back and couldnt make up for it. Once USC got ahead and when Boeckman threw the INT, it was pretty much wrapped up. They ahad all the momentum and were not going to give it up at home.

USC is a great team, but they are beatable. Having Wells couldve helped the running game and passing game tremendously off the playaction, but who knows.

USC is probably better than every SEC team, but I bet any of you guys money that they WOULDNT run the table in the SEC this year. Absolutley no way.

Exactly...

You're **** right I believe USC is the best team in the country, but seeing as how they manage to blow a game to jokes like Stanford/Cal/UCLA every year, how the hell could they run the table against Florida/Georgia/LSU/Auburn?

There are NO EXCUSES for USC not going undefeated this year. None. They play in a joke of a conference that doesn't even have a clear respectable 2nd place team.

Also I'm going to assume the reference to Arkansas as an SEC power is a joke. If it's not, :falldownlaugh:. And I LOL every time someone mentions the USC "repeat."

EDIT: Rather fitting I'm spending my 1000th post at least partially defending the SEC :laugh:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2189/2327718487_f5392a2293.jpg?v=0

[SB49er4life]

Exactly...

You're **** right I believe USC is the best team in the country, but seeing as how they manage to blow a game to jokes like Stanford/Cal/UCLA every year, how the hell could they run the table against Florida/Georgia/LSU/Auburn?

There are NO EXCUSES for USC not going undefeated this year. None. They play in a joke of a conference that doesn't even have a clear respectable 2nd place team.

Also I'm going to assume the reference to Arkansas as an SEC power is a joke. If it's not, :falldownlaugh:. And I LOL every time someone mentions the USC "repeat."

EDIT: Rather fitting I'm spending my 1000th post at least partially defending the SEC :laugh:

]

This is exactly the kinda retarded spewings that I'm talking about.

Do you realize that 5/6 of USC's losses in the last 5 years have been to Pac-10 teams, while they've absolutely HUMILIATED the top teams from the Big 10, Big 12, and SEC ?


Arkansas was the #4 team in the country that year that they got SMASHED by USC and had a 50 burger hung up on them. Auburn was also a Top 10 team if not higher. Check your facts real quick.

SEC is the most over-rated conference in football.

What a shame... some people just hate USC so bad, they can't come to grips with the fact that they've already whipped on good teams outside their conference.

Like I said, I would be all for USC playing 1 year in the SEC just to run the table quiet all this non-sense down

I would have LOVED to see JaMarcus Russell or Tim Tebow to play USC and try to do what they did to Ohio St..

[SB49er4life]

The 1st 3 or 4 drives OSU moved the ball pretty well, but penalties pushed them back and couldnt make up for it. Once USC got ahead and when Boeckman threw the INT, it was pretty much wrapped up. They ahad all the momentum and were not going to give it up at home.

USC is a great team, but they are beatable. Having Wells couldve helped the running game and passing game tremendously off the playaction, but who knows.

USC is probably better than every SEC team, but I bet any of you guys money that they WOULDNT run the table in the SEC this year. Absolutley no way.


Sure they're beatable... what team isn't ? There is no guarantee that the ball will bounce your way on game day.

Having Beanie Wells' wouldn't have done jack **** for their running game. USC's defense is too fast, and was blowing up running lanes before they even opened up.

They would have done the exact same thing to Wells as they did to Adrian Peterson in the Nat'l Championship game a couple years ago... and their D then wasn't nearly as savage as it is now.

You can call it "momentum", you can call it what you want... me, I call that a good 'ol fashioned, passionate, *** whippin'.

Ohio St. got pwned in EVERY phase of the game to the point where their OL was scared ****less jumping off-sides and they looked like they didn't even wanna play in the 2nd half.

The Buckeye's will probably never agree to play USC again after that game, at least not under Jim Tressel's watch...

[Adrian]

Sure they're beatable... what team isn't ? There is no guarantee that the ball will bounce your way on game day.

Having Beanie Wells' wouldn't have done jack **** for their running game. USC's defense is too fast, and was blowing up running lanes before they even opened up.

They would have done the exact same thing to Wells as they did to Adrian Peterson in the Nat'l Championship game a couple years ago... and their D then wasn't nearly as savage as it is now.

You can call it "momentum", you can call it what you want... me, I call that a good 'ol fashioned, passionate, *** whippin'.

Ohio St. got pwned in EVERY phase of the game to the point where their OL was scared ****less jumping off-sides and they looked like they didn't even wanna play in the 2nd half.

The Buckeye's will probably never agree to play USC again after that game, at least not under Jim Tressel's watch...

95' Nebraska, 99' FSU, 01' Miami , and 04 USC were unbeatable.

The reason it turned into an *** whippin is because USC gained all the momentum and had it the rest of the game. Thats why it turned into a route:slap: They got owned as soon as Maualuga scored the TD. It was all over right after that and USC got pumped and OSU deflated. I didnt even need to watch the rest of the game.

And If you think the best RB in the country at 100% wouldnt have done anything is just laughable. I honestly cant even take you seriously anymore.

Whats even more sad is that you think the SEC is overrated (which they might be a little), but you claim that since USC loses to Pac 10 teams, that somehow their teams are better for some reason...great logic there with all those powerhouses in the Pac 10 right? Im sure Stanford and Oregon State just strike fear into every team they face dont they?

There is NO WAY USC goes to 5 or 6 SEC stadiums and beats them in every game. You cant just go to LSU, Auburn, Florida, or Georgia and honestly run the table. You mustve never watched an LSU or UF night game on primetime I guess. You are very misinformed if you think USC will have a cupcake of a game like they would against Arizona, Oregon State, Cal, Stanford, UCLA, Washington, and Washington State.

BTW, Arkansas was NOT the 4th ranked team in the country in 06 at ANY time of the year. Way to pull **** out of your *** on that one. They werent even top 25 in the preseaon and ended the season ranked 15th with a 10-4 record. Good try though.

Oh, and USC and OSU play in Columbus next year...all schools play at least 2 games at each school's stadium and switch off appropriately.

[Rockyn]

This is exactly the kinda retarded spewings that I'm talking about.

Do you realize that 5/6 of USC's losses in the last 5 years have been to Pac-10 teams, while they've absolutely HUMILIATED the top teams from the Big 10, Big 12, and SEC ?

Looking back at their schedule over the past 5 years, seems the only big wins over "top teams" came against Notre Dame and the Big 10 cupcake of the year in the Rose Bowl.

Regular Season Ranked Wins Over SEC/Big 12/Big 10

2006 - #19 Nebraska (28-10)
2007 - #17 Nebraska (49-31) (obviously Nebraska was a joke that year)

So congrats, there's 2 HUMILIATING wins over Nebraska. Postseason is different, since you're dealing with the Big 10. The 2004 win over Oklahoma? That was dominant, no question. But you're imagining a trend that doesn't exist.

Postseason Games Against SEC/Big 12/Big 10

2003 - #4 Michigan (28-14) 2 possessions...
2004 - #3 Oklahoma (55-19) "humiliation" #1 - here, you get a cookie for 1 example
2005 - #1 Texas (38-41) WHOOPS :laugh:
2006 - #8 Michigan (32-18) 2 possessions...
2007 - #13 Illinois (49-17) it was a joke that Illinois was even invited to this

So congrats, the Big 10 is USC's *****...the Big 10 is everyone's *****. I could ONE "humiliating" win.

I count ZERO wins against ranked SEC teams. But you know what? I'll give you a 4-loss Arkansas team, they actually finished ranked (even though their SEC East slate was a joke and they didn't have to play NC Florida). Are you beating your chest now?

Arkansas was the #4 team in the country that year that they got SMASHED by USC and had a 50 burger hung up on them. Auburn was also a Top 10 team if not higher. Check your facts real quick.

Arkansas was unranked at the time of that game and finished with 4 losses...Auburn also came into that game in 2003 and ended that season UNRANKED. Well done good sir...

SEC is the most over-rated conference in football.

And we have the most BCS titles, best BCS game record, and a record 7 bowl wins last year to prove it! :laugh:

What a shame... some people just hate USC so bad, they can't come to grips with the fact that they've already whipped on good teams outside their conference.

I'll give you OU. Beyond that? Wow, they can beat a couple of Big 10 teams and Notre Dame. :shoot:

Like I said, I would be all for USC playing 1 year in the SEC just to run the table quiet all this non-sense down. I would have LOVED to see JaMarcus Russell or Tim Tebow to play USC and try to do what they did to Ohio St..

The last season JaMarcus played LSU finished 3rd compared to USC at 4th. If they wanted to play Tebow in a title game they probably shouldn't have lost to Oregon State and UCLA in 2006. :falldownlaugh:

Mind you I don't even hate USC, they're a phenomenal program and should win the title. But Brosiah, face it. College Football is the SEC's world.

And I won't retract the fact that the Pac-10 top to bottom is garbage. USC is the best team in the country, but to call the SEC overrated when the Pac-****ing-10 just went 0-4 against the MWC last week is an ABSOLUTE JOKE!

[WildCardBound]

And If you think the best RB in the country at 100% wouldnt have done anything is just laughable. I honestly cant even take you seriously anymore.


Beanie Wells would not have helped much, USC would have shut him down.

That should help keep me on the "crazy" list.

[SB49er4life]

[QUOTE=Adrian;1804216]95' Nebraska, 99' FSU, 01' Miami , and 04 USC were unbeatable.

The reason it turned into an *** whippin is because USC gained all the momentum and had it the rest of the game. Thats why it turned into a route:slap: They got owned as soon as Maualuga scored the TD. It was all over right after that and USC got pumped and OSU deflated. I didnt even need to watch the rest of the game.

LoL... are you serious ? Haha, you're gonna "excuse" OSU for losing because of "momentum" ? :falldownlaugh:

That's really funny, because me and the rest of the country could have sworn it was because they got owned in every phase of football there is.

The fact that USC's dominance over them reached a point where it became mental speaks volumes. They were jumping offsides because they were scared to death of USC's pass rush.

And If you think the best RB in the country at 100% wouldnt have done anything is just laughable. I honestly cant even take you seriously anymore.

You don't wanna take me seriously anymore because the truth hurts, and it's easier for you to ride out a defense mechanism than to admit what's right.

Beanie Wells isn't half the RB Adrian Peterson was when USC played him, and he got absolutely shut down... by a defense that isn't nearly as good as this year's D.

I'll just humor you and pretend for a second it would have made a significant difference if he would have played...

Wells would have needed about 5 TD's and 300+ yds of offense for Ohio St. to have closed that gap.

And you can't take ME seriously ? Gimme a break.

Whats even more sad is that you think the SEC is overrated (which they might be a little), but you claim that since USC loses to Pac 10 teams, that somehow their teams are better for some reason...great logic there with all those powerhouses in the Pac 10 right? Im sure Stanford and Oregon State just strike fear into every team they face dont they?

Except I never said that. You're argument has become so feeble that you've resorted to making things up that I never said.

Pac-10 teams send just as many, if not more, players to the NFL that turn out to be successful pro's.

There is NO WAY USC goes to 5 or 6 SEC stadiums and beats them in every game. You cant just go to LSU, Auburn, Florida, or Georgia and honestly run the table. You mustve never watched an LSU or UF night game on primetime I guess. You are very misinformed if you think USC will have a cupcake of a game like they would against Arizona, Oregon State, Cal, Stanford, UCLA, Washington, and Washington State.

Yes, there is.

USC handled Auburn EASILY a few years ago, much more easily than the score indicates. And wasn't that the same Auburn team that did the unthinkable and "ran the table" in the SEC a year later ?

:falldownlaugh::

And yet again, you're argument keeps stooping lower and you keep putting words in my mouth... I NEVER said that USC would "cake walk" through the SEC.

I simply said they would run the table, which they would. There is more proof that they would than there is against it. Again, you lose.

BTW, Arkansas was NOT the 4th ranked team in the country in 06 at ANY time of the year. Way to pull **** out of your *** on that one. They werent even top 25 in the preseaon and ended the season ranked 15th with a 10-4 record. Good try though.

Ok, congratulations, you got me there; they must have been #4 the year after we beat the dog **** outta them.

But... but... Arkansas is an SEC team, they are all super special !! Are you saying that the SEC isn't as great as you claim ??

Oh, and USC and OSU play in Columbus next year...all schools play at least 2 games at each school's stadium and switch off appropriately.

That's great and you guys can speculate all you want and make excuses for all the ***** whippin's USC hands out, but the results are the same year in, year out.



This is all hilarious... anyway you slice it up, USC dominates, and it kills you SEC guys to admit it.

What is especially funny is you guys constantly harp on USC for having a "soft schedule"... well why don't you rattle off some of the teams LSU and Georgia have played early on in the season the last couple year ? Some of those teams shouldnt even be in D-Ia to begin with !

LoL.

It's ok... I'm sure an SEC power like LSU or Florida will make it their way

[SB49er4life]

Looking back at their schedule over the past 5 years, seems the only big wins over "top teams" came against Notre Dame and the Big 10 cupcake of the year in the Rose Bowl.

Regular Season Ranked Wins Over SEC/Big 12/Big 10

2006 - #19 Nebraska (28-10)
2007 - #17 Nebraska (49-31) (obviously Nebraska was a joke that year)

So congrats, there's 2 HUMILIATING wins over Nebraska. Postseason is different, since you're dealing with the Big 10. The 2004 win over Oklahoma? That was dominant, no question. But you're imagining a trend that doesn't exist.

Postseason Games Against SEC/Big 12/Big 10

2003 - #4 Michigan (28-14) 2 possessions...
2004 - #3 Oklahoma (55-19) "humiliation" #1 - here, you get a cookie for 1 example
2005 - #1 Texas (38-41) WHOOPS :laugh:
2006 - #8 Michigan (32-18) 2 possessions...
2007 - #13 Illinois (49-17) it was a joke that Illinois was even invited to this

So congrats, the Big 10 is USC's *****...the Big 10 is everyone's *****. I could ONE "humiliating" win.

I count ZERO wins against ranked SEC teams. But you know what? I'll give you a 4-loss Arkansas team, they actually finished ranked (even though their SEC East slate was a joke and they didn't have to play NC Florida). Are you beating your chest now?



Arkansas was unranked at the time of that game and finished with 4 losses...Auburn also came into that game in 2003 and ended that season UNRANKED. Well done good sir...



And we have the most BCS titles, best BCS game record, and a record 7 bowl wins last year to prove it! :laugh:



I'll give you OU. Beyond that? Wow, they can beat a couple of Big 10 teams and Notre Dame. :shoot:



The last season JaMarcus played LSU finished 3rd compared to USC at 4th. If they wanted to play Tebow in a title game they probably shouldn't have lost to Oregon State and UCLA in 2006. :falldownlaugh:

Mind you I don't even hate USC, they're a phenomenal program and should win the title. But Brosiah, face it. College Football is the SEC's world.

And I won't retract the fact that the Pac-10 top to bottom is garbage. USC is the best team in the country, but to call the SEC overrated when the Pac-****ing-10 just went 0-4 against the MWC last week is an ABSOLUTE JOKE!

The Pac-10 is not better than the SEC, again, I don't recall saying that.

It's just that the SEC is grossly over-rated.

Anyway you slice it up, USC has SMASHED every non-conference opponent it's faced after Carson Palmer left.

By the way, since USC's schedule is so "soft", feel free to name the early season opponents of LSU, Georgia and Alabama the last few years.

PWNED !

[Adrian]

[QUOTE]

LoL... are you serious ? Haha, you're gonna "excuse" OSU for losing because of "momentum" ? :falldownlaugh:


That's really funny, because me and the rest of the country could have sworn it was because they got owned in every phase of football there is.

The fact that USC's dominance over them reached a point where it became mental speaks volumes. They were jumping offsides because they were scared to death of USC's pass rush.



You don't wanna take me seriously anymore because the truth hurts, and it's easier for you to ride out a defense mechanism than to admit what's right.

Beanie Wells isn't half the RB Adrian Peterson was when USC played him, and he got absolutely shut down... by a defense that isn't nearly as good as this year's D.

I'll just humor you and pretend for a second it would have made a significant difference if he would have played...

Wells would have needed about 5 TD's and 300+ yds of offense for Ohio St. to have closed that gap.

And you can't take ME seriously ? Gimme a break.



Except I never said that. You're argument has become so feeble that you've resorted to making things up that I never said.

Pac-10 teams send just as many, if not more, players to the NFL that turn out to be successful pro's.

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Yes, there is.

USC handled Auburn EASILY a few years ago, much more easily than the score indicates. And wasn't that the same Auburn team that did the unthinkable and "ran the table" in the SEC a year later ?

:falldownlaugh::

And yet again, you're argument keeps stooping lower and you keep putting words in my mouth... I NEVER said that USC would "cake walk" through the SEC.

I simply said they would run the table, which they would. There is more proof that they would than there is against it. Again, you lose.



Ok, congratulations, you got me there; they must have been #4 the year after we beat the dog **** outta them.

But... but... Arkansas is an SEC team, they are all super special !! Are you saying that the SEC isn't as great as you claim ??



That's great and you guys can speculate all you want and make excuses for all the ***** whippin's USC hands out, but the results are the same year in, year out.



This is all hilarious... anyway you slice it up, USC dominates, and it kills you SEC guys to admit it.

What is especially funny is you guys constantly harp on USC for having a "soft schedule"... well why don't you rattle off some of the teams LSU and Georgia have played early on in the season the last couple year ? Some of those teams shouldnt even be in D-Ia to begin with !

LoL.

It's ok... I'm sure an SEC power like LSU or Florida will make it their way

Yes its exactly what Im saying. Its not an excuse its exactly what happened. Watch that game again and tell me otherwise. Everything went USC's way after that pick 6 and being away, OSU could not recover at all. They had no chance.

Im not saying Beanie Wells wouldve had 5 TDs and 300 yards. Very far from it. But not having your best player on the team out on the field will always hurts your offense. If you take the best offensive player off of any team, their team will not produce as well. Its common sense. Wells wouldve broke much more tackles and gained more yardage than the Dan Herron who went 11 for 51 yards or so. So yes, Beanie wouldve been a major boost to their offense whether you like it or not.

Also, you're comparing 2 different USC teams. Your basically comparing apples to oranges. This years USC defense is not as good as the 04 team as many people tend to overlook. But they are not as dominant as the team that shut down a true freshman Peterson.

Then you go on to state that USC's losses were to Pac 10 teams and how you guys beat up on SEC teams. So therefor that makes you sound like you think the Pac 10 is better than SEC. Whether you mean it or not, thats what it sounded like. Im not an SEC guy by any means. Im an ACC guy, but I know which conference is the most dominant in the conference in the land. If you get any other conference to play the entire SEC and pair teams up together , I guarantee you the SEC would win most of those games against any conference.

If UF, LSU, or UGA switched with USC, theyd be going to National Championships and Rose Bowls every year like USC does and USC would probably be battling week in and week out to make the SEC championship game let alone actually win it and make the BCS game.

The SEC does have a bad rep concerning OOC play, but thats changing a bit now that UGA is going to ASU, Auburn going to WVU, Arkansas playing Texas, Ole Miss playing Wake Forest, Bama playing Clemson, Tennessee going out west consecutive years to play UCLA and Cal, and Bama and Penn State agreeing for a home and home in a couple years. So things are changing in that regard.

Also the year Auburn ran the table was 04 and shouldve played USC in that game. IMO it wouldve been a far more entertaining game watching USC go up against Cadillac Williams, Ronnie Brown, and Jason Campbell than the most overrated Heisman of all time Jason White.

[SB49er4life]

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Yes its exactly what Im saying. Its not an excuse its exactly what happened. Watch that game again and tell me otherwise. Everything went USC's way after that pick 6 and being away, OSU could not recover at all. They had no chance.

If you can't recover from something that's been happening all game long, then guess what ? The other team is just better than you.

I'm sorry, but Ohio St. showed NOTHING to suggest that their embarrassing loss was due to them being a victim of a circumstance.

When you're that much better than the other team... yes, everything's gonna go your way.


Im not saying Beanie Wells wouldve had 5 TDs and 300 yards. Very far from it. But not having your best player on the team out on the field will always hurts your offense. If you take the best offensive player off of any team, their team will not produce as well. Its common sense. Wells wouldve broke much more tackles and gained more yardage than the Dan Herron who went 11 for 51 yards or so. So yes, Beanie wouldve been a major boost to their offense whether you like it or not.

Obviously there was some sarcasm involved in me saying Beanie Wells would have made zero difference... but he wouldn't have made enough of a difference to even keep the game close.

Again, USC has faced better RB's than Wells and been able to keep them in check just fine, so even *for the sake of argument* IF Wells had played, and IF he had a respectable, 100 yd, 1-2 TD game... it's STILL a blowout.

Also, you're comparing 2 different USC teams. Your basically comparing apples to oranges. This years USC defense is not as good as the 04 team as many people tend to overlook. But they are not as dominant as the team that shut down a true freshman Peterson.

You're right, I AM comparing apples to oranges... because the 04 teams defense isn't nearly as savage this '08 teams.

The best player on that D in '04 was Matt Grootegoed (sp), and a couple DL.

This year's D is giving up 5 ppg so far, and features 4 players that might be gone befoer the 11th overall pick in the draft this April.

Then you go on to state that USC's losses were to Pac 10 teams and how you guys beat up on SEC teams. So therefor that makes you sound like you think the Pac 10 is better than SEC. Whether you mean it or not, thats what it sounded like. Im not an SEC guy by any means. Im an ACC guy, but I know which conference is the most dominant in the conference in the land. If you get any other conference to play the entire SEC and pair teams up together , I guarantee you the SEC would win most of those games against any conference.

I cannot be responsible for your assumptions. I say things for how I mean them, and if you choose to interpret them a different way, then that's your prerogative... but it doesn't make it the truth.

Now, from top to bottom, it would be foolish to say that the Pac-10 is as tough of a conference as the SEC, because stragglers like Washington, WSU, Stanford and UCLA at times bring the entire conference down.

The SEC has more presitigious programs from top to bottom, but you'd have to be foolish to think that even those teams would just automatically beat teams like Cal, Oregon and ASU, who every year pump out very successful pro football players. (I think Georgia will SMASH Arizona St. tom, fwiw)

If UF, LSU, or UGA switched with USC, theyd be going to National Championships and Rose Bowls every year like USC does and USC would probably be battling week in and week out to make the SEC championship game let alone actually win it and make the BCS game.

See, that's just preposterous.

If you're a great team, you win... PERIOD. It's fallacious altogether to assume that USC isn't as good of a team as those SEC guys just because they have a bit of a tougher conference. What part of the country you're in does not make you more or less talented than the next guy.

And like I said, if you wanna talk about "weak" schedules, go ahead and name off some of the schools that Georgia, LSU and UF have been playing early in the season the last few years. They are playing teams that would lose to a good Iaa or DII school.

The SEC does have a bad rep concerning OOC play, but thats changing a bit now that UGA is going to ASU, Auburn going to WVU, Arkansas playing Texas, Ole Miss playing Wake Forest, Bama playing Clemson, Tennessee going out west consecutive years to play UCLA and Cal, and Bama and Penn State agreeing for a home and home in a couple years. So things are changing in that regard.

That's good for college football. I like seeing powerhouses from across the country square up.

Also the year Auburn ran the table was 04 and shouldve played USC in that game. IMO it wouldve been a far more entertaining game watching USC go up against Cadillac Williams, Ronnie Brown, and Jason Campbell than the most overrated Heisman of all time Jason White.

Ya, I remember that like it was yesterday.

It's easy to say that Auburn would've given them a better game AFTER the fact that OU got the snot beat outta them, but that is the same team got handled much more easily than the score indicated a year before.

Also, they beat them with guys like Reggie Bush, Leinart and LenDale White barely having scratched the surface of what they'd ultimately become...

So maybe it wouldn't have been more entertaining. Hindsight's always 20/20.

[SB49er4life]

The SEC is just fast as ****, that's it. Its the only conference where a sprinter could be a successful football player with little to no football skill what so ever (See Trinton Holliday).

The only team in the last decade that could probably out due USC on a regular basis would be those Miami teams from earlier this decade.

Agreed.

The U early in the decade fielded the only teams savage and nasty enough to be compared to USC.

As one announcer put it: "The Miami Hurricanes don't drink gatorade before games, they drink jet fuel."

[SB49er4life]

Those teams were bad!

as strange as it sounds though it looks as if Ken Dorsey > Matt Leinart.

Miami didnt need a good QB to win though.

Matt Leinart just needs to get his head outta his ***. He's a case of an athlete that kinda got satisfied with his status as a college player and hasn't shown that he WANTS to be the best in the pro's.

The talent is undeniable; great mechanics, great touch, great pocket presence, high football IQ, cool under pressure... he's got everything you want in a QB outside of a rocket arm and great speed, which isn't even required for the position.

Hell, he even showed he can play at a high level i nthe NFL with some great games as a rookie, most notably picking apart the Bears' #1 D on MNF.

I haven't seen a single good game from Dorsey in the pro's.

[Adrian]

Football is a game of momentum, when it swung in USC's favor it was over. No way you're getting it back in their stadium. OSU continously shot themselves in the foot and USC capitalized. I dont need to argue with you anymore about this. Think what you want and Ill think what I want.

And how is that preposterous? Do you honestly think USC would finish ranked top 10nationally in the SEC every year?

They have some lights out players no doubt and would still be a winning program, but playing a schedule like that which is a MUCH tougher schedule than the one they play now. They do not know what its like to play at LSU, UF, or UGA. They will win some and lose some and would join the 4 or 5 horse race in the SEC every year.

If LSU played the sorry Pac 10 teams that USC does, they'd be in USCs spot every year easily.

USC would have a much tougher time seeing the glory that they coast to every year in the Pac 10 if they played in the SEC.

SEC has more competition, tougher stadiums to play in, and MUCH better athletes.

You're very misinformed to think it would be much of the same from USC if they had an SEC schedule.

[skywalker2208]

I'm ending this now. USC flat out outplayed OSU. OSU had some bad penalties but that stuff happens. We were the second best team in the stadium no two ways about it. USC came to play and we didn't.

Ohio state not having an offense is what really hurt them.

[SB49er4life]

Football is a game of momentum, when it swung in USC's favor it was over. No way you're getting it back in their stadium. OSU continously shot themselves in the foot and USC capitalized. I dont need to argue with you anymore about this. Think what you want and Ill think what I want.

And how is that preposterous? Do you honestly think USC would finish ranked top 10nationally in the SEC every year?

They have some lights out players no doubt and would still be a winning program, but playing a schedule like that which is a MUCH tougher schedule than the one they play now. They do not know what its like to play at LSU, UF, or UGA. They will win some and lose some and would join the 4 or 5 horse race in the SEC every year.

If LSU played the sorry Pac 10 teams that USC does, they'd be in USCs spot every year easily.

USC would have a much tougher time seeing the glory that they coast to every year in the Pac 10 if they played in the SEC.

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You're very misinformed to think it would be much of the same from USC if they had an SEC schedule.

First of all, see post #77. Straight from the horse's mouth. Every single OSU I've spoken too, even outside of Ohio9er, says USC just beat the dog **** outta them.

USC is better than basically every team in the country, every year... what part of that do you NOT understand ?

They play teams outside of their conference, SEC included, and not only win, but SMASH them. SMASH. S-M-A-S-H. There is absolutely zero reason to believe that they wouldn't be competing for a national title and being a Top 10 team if they play in the SEC.


SEC has more competition, tougher stadiums to play in, and MUCH better athletes

This statement right here just made you lose ALL credibility in the argument. The fact that you REALLY think players in the South are more athletic than other parts of the country speaks volumes about how biased and/or uniformed you are to college football as a whole.

The Pac-10 sends just as many, if not more, high profile athletes on BOTH sides of teh ball that go on to become **** good NFL players.

D-I football is D-I football if you play in any of the major conferences, and now-a-days, even the small conferences are getting some ballers that fall through the cracks.

Tell me, how many of the top defenders in the SEC are doing big things in the NFL right now ? Reggie Nelson, LaRon Landry, DeMeco Ryans, Patrick Willis, and I'll even give you Glenn Dorsey, even though he hasn't done jack **** in the league yet.. who else ?

That's an awful lot of hype the SEC receives for these "superior athletes" when only a handful have even done anything in the league.

[Adrian]

First of all, see post #77. Straight from the horse's mouth. Every single OSU I've spoken too, even outside of Ohio9er, says USC just beat the dog **** outta them.

USC is better than basically every team in the country, every year... what part of that do you NOT understand ?

They play teams outside of their conference, SEC included, and not only win, but SMASH them. SMASH. S-M-A-S-H. There is absolutely zero reason to believe that they wouldn't be competing for a national title and being a Top 10 team if they play in the SEC.




This statement right here just made you lose ALL credibility in the argument. The fact that you REALLY think players in the South are more athletic than other parts of the country speaks volumes about how biased and/or uniformed you are to college football as a whole.

The Pac-10 sends just as many, if not more, high profile athletes on BOTH sides of teh ball that go on to become **** good NFL players.

D-I football is D-I football if you play in any of the major conferences, and now-a-days, even the small conferences are getting some ballers that fall through the cracks.

Tell me, how many of the top defenders in the SEC are doing big things in the NFL right now ? Reggie Nelson, LaRon Landry, DeMeco Ryans, Patrick Willis, and I'll even give you Glenn Dorsey, even though he hasn't done jack **** in the league yet.. who else ?

That's an awful lot of hype the SEC receives for these "superior athletes" when only a handful have even done anything in the league.

When did I say OSU didnt get smashed? I know they got owned. Im never said they didnt. Ive been preaching momentum. Something you obviously dont seem to grasp very well. OSU didnt help their cause either and shot themselves in the foot a bunch. I never said OSU didnt get dominated.

Now about the top athletes in the league...

:falldownlaugh:

How about you do your research a bit and look up last years pro bowl roster and see how many more Pro Bowl players are from the SEC/Southeast than the Pac 10/West Coast.

Its just a better quality of football and a better breed of athlete down here.

You really dont know what you're talking about anymore man. Just quit, and stick to the NFL. College isnt your thing.

Name the pac 10 and west coast pro bowlers and Ill name the SEC and Southeastern players.

Go ahead..make my day

[Rockyn]

The Pac-10 is not better than the SEC, again, I don't recall saying that.

It's just that the SEC is grossly over-rated.Overrated? Oooook. So instead of super-hyper-ridiculous elite, they're just elite. I can live with that :laugh:

Anyway you slice it up, USC has SMASHED every non-conference opponent it's faced after Carson Palmer left. No question, they make Idaho look like an FCS team... congrats! We just went over this, Nebraska, Notre Dame and the Big 10 champion are their quality wins.

By the way, since USC's schedule is so "soft", feel free to name the early season opponents of LSU, Georgia and Alabama the last few years. The defending national champions (they're from a good conference, by the way) played the toughest OOC game of the regular season last year. And they won it 48-7.

PWNED !

You seriously just ended a rant with "PWNED!"? I get the feeling you don't get many opportunities to use that word very often...and from the looks of it, you don't know when applicable pwnage applies.

UR IN TEH SEC INTERNETZ NOW!

[SB49er4life]

You seriously just ended a rant with "PWNED!"? I get the feeling you don't get many opportunities to use that word very often...and from the looks of it, you don't know when applicable pwnage applies.

UR IN TEH SEC INTERNETZ NOW!

Yes, I do, and you got owned.

Even the Ohio St. fan in here says that you are wrong, there is only 1 other person that agrees with you here and it's a 19 year old kid who obviously didn't realize a lot of things.

The only thing you can do at this point to keep from looking completely wrong is to keep denying everything like the 16-yr old high school slut getting caught with her boyfriend's best friend.

I'm not even gonna lower myself to actually trying to debate facts with you, because your thick skull doesn't want to get it.

[SB49er4life]

Its just a better quality of football and a better breed of athlete down here.




This is the only part of your post that caught my eye, and just PROOF as to how ignorant you are, that you actually believe that players in one part of the country are actually physically more athletic than players in another part.

It's impossible for me enage in an intelligent conversation with someone who really thinks the average football player from Louisiana or Florida is more "athletic" than a guy in California, based on nothing but geographic location.

This marks the 1st time I've ever actually seen somebody own themself.

[Adrian]

This is the only part of your post that caught my eye, and just PROOF as to how ignorant you are, that you actually believe that players in one part of the country are actually physically more athletic than players in another part.

It's impossible for me enage in an intelligent conversation with someone who really thinks the average football player from Louisiana or Florida is more "athletic" than a guy in California, based on nothing but geographic location.

This marks the 1st time I've ever actually seen somebody own themself.


Im not saying EVERYONE in the Southeast is better than EVERYONE on the West Coast. Im saying the southeast produces MORE quality athletes than the West Coast.

The West Coast produces plenty of solid football players, just not at the rate as the Southeastern part of the US does.

And having more college All Americans and NFL Pro Bowlers than any other region of the country tends to prove me right that there is a better stable of athletes down here than anywhere else.

Its just the way it is and those are the facts. Sorry if you're still not able to comprehend that.

[Red Glare]

SC homers make me laugh. I bet they would defend OJ Simpson too. "He's innocent I tell ya! Those gloves were Bo Jackson's."

:falldownlaugh:

[SB49er4life]

Im not saying EVERYONE in the Southeast is better than EVERYONE on the West Coast. Im saying the southeast produces MORE quality athletes than the West Coast.

The West Coast produces plenty of solid football players, just not at the rate as the Southeastern part of the US does.

And having more college All Americans and NFL Pro Bowlers than any other region of the country tends to prove me right that there is a better stable of athletes down here than anywhere else.

Its just the way it is and those are the facts. Sorry if you're still not able to comprehend that.

Like I said, exactly why I stopped taking you seriously to even debate with you on this anymore.

Come back and continue this conversation with me when you figure it why a geographical location has NOTHING to do with an athlete's physiology... or do you even know what word means ?

[Rockyn]

Yes, I do, and you got owned. It tickles.

Even the Ohio St. fan in here says that you are wrong, there is only 1 other person that agrees with you here and it's a 19 year old kid who obviously didn't realize a lot of things.Huh? So one Big-10 guy is the end-all expert on talent now? And the 25 year old realizes everything? :falldownlaugh:

The only thing you can do at this point to keep from looking completely wrong is to keep denying everything like the 16-yr old high school slut getting caught with her boyfriend's best friend. I gave you the facts, you're the one who seems to be in denial. Generally if you want to make a point, you need to back it up with some information and insight to support that point...which you seem to be greatly lacking.

I'm not even gonna lower myself to actually trying to debate facts with you, because your thick skull doesn't want to get it. If it's not worth your time to debate facts (facts you either don't know or for some reason can't tell us about), it's not worth my time (or anyone's) to take you seriously. My thick skull can't "get" the garbage and unfounded claims that spew from your mouth. You're bringing nothing to the table other than "lol SEC is teh overrated fail lololol." But why bother arguing against the 25 year old, he obviously knows what he's talking about...shame that you can't fix stupid. :shoot:

You're entertaining if nothing else.

[SB49er4life]

You're entertaining if nothing else.

That's fine, and I understand where you're coming from...

In fact, I'm starting to respect your intelligence a lot more. You're SMART enough to realize that you're gonna need some kinda built in excuse for when an SEC team inevitably meets and gets their asses handed to them by USC in the BCS game.

[Rockyn]

You're assuming USC gets there, which recent history dictates they seem to have a problem with. And what the crap, how am I making excuses? I'm just laying out the facts.

And even if USC beat an SEC team in the BCS Championship Game, are you expecting me to commit suicide? I can live with USC being the best team in the country. Given the program's talent and recruiting they should be a Top 3 team every year and should contend for the title every year (too bad they can't beat Stanford and play for it all ... but the law of averages says eventually they should win a title again sometime...). Doesn't change the fact that the Pac-10 is garbage and the SEC is the premier conference.

Acceptance is the first step to recovery.

[SB49er4life]

You're assuming USC gets there, which recent history dictates they seem to have a problem with. And what the crap, how am I making excuses? I'm just laying out the facts.

And even if USC beat an SEC team in the BCS Championship Game, are you expecting me to commit suicide? I can live with USC being the best team in the country. Given the program's talent and recruiting they should be a Top 3 team every year and should contend for the title every year (too bad they can't beat Stanford and play for it all :laugh:... but the law of averages says eventually they should win a title again sometime...). Doesn't change the fact that the Pac-10 is garbage and the SEC is the premier conference.

Acceptance is the first step to recovery. :falldownlaugh:

USC has been a contestant in 3 of the last 5 National Championship Bowl Games.

Again, why I don't take you seriously enough to dignify your posts with real answers.

Yes, SEC is the only good conference in football, and the only good prospects come from the SEC... can you give me the sn of somebody who DOESN'T let ESPN and pulbic opinion do all the thinking for them ?

[Rockyn]

USC has been a contestant in 3 of the last 5 National Championship Bowl Games.

Again, why I don't take you seriously enough to dignify your posts with real answers.

Yes, SEC is the only good conference in football, and the only good prospects come from the SEC... can you give me the sn of somebody who DOESN'T let ESPN and pulbic opinion do all the thinking for them ?

"USC has been a contestant in 3 of the last 5 National Championship Bowl Games." You think so, eh? Boy you're in for a surprise.

2003 - LSU/Oklahoma
2004 - USC/Oklahoma
2005 - USC/Texas
2006 - Florida/OSU
2007 - LSU/OSU

Hmmm. Do you count 3 USC appearances above? If by 3 you mean 2 then sure, you're right! You're a joke, you don't even know how many NC games they've played in and yet we're supposed to take you seriously? No wonder you're all over their nuts, you don't know jack about them.

They're also 1-1 in those games. Haha think about that, USC doesn't even have a winning record in BCS Championship games. For the record, the SEC is 4-0.

How are those "REAL ANSWERS" for you?

Please stop to save yourself from future embarassment. :falldownlaugh:

[Adrian]

Like I said, exactly why I stopped taking you seriously to even debate with you on this anymore.

Come back and continue this conversation with me when you figure it why a geographical location has NOTHING to do with an athlete's physiology... or do you even know what word means ?

:falldownlaugh:

The reason you cant take me seriously is because you cant come back with a serious rebuttle. I keep feeding you facts and numbers on how the southeast produces better football players, yet you just toss it out the window as soon you read it.

Not every Southeast athlete is better than every West Coast athlete, its that overall, the South produces more quality players than the West Coast.

But since that isnt enough for you and you want to get all scientific because you think Im an ***** for some reason, then fine. Let me break it down for you.

The main reason for the Southeast producing better football players (and baseball players for that matter) is mainly because of the climate. Having the opportunity to play outdoor sports all year round means more conditioning, practicing, and playing.

So the more you practice, condition, and play the game, obviously the better you get at it and improve your skills than someone from another part of the country that isnt as fortunate to play year round.

It also has to do a bit with the culture of the region you live in. The Northeast is MUCH bigger on basketball than it is on football or baseball and most kids tend to play basketball because its the most accessible sport up there and because of the winter, forces them to play it more. Thats why most big time NBA players are either from the Northeast or Midwest.

Basketball is just as accessible down here as it is up there, its just that the youth and culture down here prefer the outdoor and more popular sports in the region like football and baseball. So when you have kid's preferences and the cultural influences, you have more kids focus on the outdoor sports.

California is the most balanced state regarding all athletics, but football and baseball is the South's specialty and they just tend to groom better football players than anyone else, while the Northeast and Midwest specialize in basketball.

Thats just the way it is. Im just the messenger.

[Red Glare]

"USC has been a contestant in 3 of the last 5 National Championship Bowl Games." You think so, eh? Boy you're in for a surprise.

2003 - LSU/Oklahoma
2004 - USC/Oklahoma
2005 - USC/Texas
2006 - Florida/OSU
2007 - LSU/OSU

Hmmm. Do you count 3 USC appearances above? If by 3 you mean 2 then sure, you're right! You're a joke, you don't even know how many NC games they've played in and yet we're supposed to take you seriously? No wonder you're all over their nuts, you don't know jack about them.

They're also 1-1 in those games. Haha think about that, USC doesn't even have a winning record in BCS Championship games. For the record, the SEC is 4-0.

How are those "REAL ANSWERS" for you?

Please stop to save yourself from future embarassment. :falldownlaugh:

Here is where this applies:

http://www.xbox3sixty.co.uk/e107_images/newspost_images/pwned.jpg

[SB49er4life]

"USC has been a contestant in 3 of the last 5 National Championship Bowl Games." You think so, eh? Boy you're in for a surprise.

2003 - LSU/Oklahoma
2004 - USC/Oklahoma
2005 - USC/Texas
2006 - Florida/OSU
2007 - LSU/OSU

Hmmm. Do you count 3 USC appearances above? If by 3 you mean 2 then sure, you're right! You're a joke, you don't even know how many NC games they've played in and yet we're supposed to take you seriously? No wonder you're all over their nuts, you don't know jack about them.

They're also 1-1 in those games. Haha think about that, USC doesn't even have a winning record in BCS Championship games. For the record, the SEC is 4-0.

How are those "REAL ANSWERS" for you?

Please stop to save yourself from future embarassment. :falldownlaugh:

Future embarrassment ? Are you really this stupid ?

USC won the National Championship along with LSU in 2003. And don't tell me "Well it was just LSU/OU playing in 'ship game" because obviously the game USC played in had a huge bearing on the award, ya know, since the BCS thought they deserved the title as well.

Thank you for establishing yourself as the person who knows the absolute least about college football on this message board.

Wow, I don't know whose stupider, you, or the ***** kid that thinks growing up in the South makes you more athletic than growing up on the West Coast.

[SB49er4life]

Here is where this applies:

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At least the other 2 chumps TRIED to pose an intelligent argument....

[SB49er4life]

:falldownlaugh:

The reason you cant take me seriously is because you cant come back with a serious rebuttle. I keep feeding you facts and numbers on how the southeast produces better football players, yet you just toss it out the window as soon you read it.

Not every Southeast athlete is better than every West Coast athlete, its that overall, the South produces more quality players than the West Coast.

But since that isnt enough for you and you want to get all scientific because you think Im an ***** for some reason, then fine. Let me break it down for you.

The main reason for the Southeast producing better football players (and baseball players for that matter) is mainly because of the climate. Having the opportunity to play outdoor sports all year round means more conditioning, practicing, and playing.

So the more you practice, condition, and play the game, obviously the better you get at it and improve your skills than someone from another part of the country that isnt as fortunate to play year round.

It also has to do a bit with the culture of the region you live in. The Northeast is MUCH bigger on basketball than it is on football or baseball and most kids tend to play basketball because its the most accessible sport up there and because of the winter, forces them to play it more. Thats why most big time NBA players are either from the Northeast or Midwest.

Basketball is just as accessible down here as it is up there, its just that the youth and culture down here prefer the outdoor and more popular sports in the region like football and baseball. So when you have kid's preferences and the cultural influences, you have more kids focus on the outdoor sports.

California is the most balanced state regarding all athletics, but football and baseball is the South's specialty and they just tend to groom better football players than anyone else, while the Northeast and Midwest specialize in basketball.

Thats just the way it is. Im just the messenger.

Ya know what, I actually humored you to read through this post...

...and in conclusion, you know even less than I thought.

You've obviously never even been to California before if you're really saying things as stupid as you're saying. It's one thing talking about the Northeast vs. South, but the West Coast has the best weather in the entire country.

I live in Orange County, CA, and I wake up to 78 degrees and sunshine on Christmas Morning, so don't feed me crap talkin' about the Souths' climate is more suited for sports. That's dumbest thing you could have possibly said.

No wonder, the other jack *** that's agreeing with you is also from the South.

And I've tried awful hard not to be rude, but I can only listen to someone talk outta their ******* sooo much.

Sports is LIFE in California, especially in Southern California. There are more youth sports leagues, personal trainers, athletic training complexes, summer camps, you name it, we got it. Oh, and btw... we're pretty ****in good at it, too, as EVERY year, there are several All-American's for all 3 major sports. Hell, my good friends little brother was a 1st round pick for the NHL - outta California - last year.

California has more money, more land, higher education rates, so people have the means, know-how and resources to get their kids in sports, any sport, year round, and with as much personal training as possible.

Mater Dei HS ?
Long Beach Poly ?
Santa Margarita Catholic ?
Compton Dominguez ?
De La Salle ?
Oakland Tech ?

These schools are all FACTORIES for the NFL/NBA, and are just some I thought of off the top of my head; I didn't even include any of the San Diego schools'. which I'm not very familiar with the names of, or any of the Central CA schools, or Mission Viejo HS which is 5 minutes from my house and has fielded several All-American's in the last 3-4 years alone.

Get out and leave your house for once before acting like you know what you're saying.

[SB49er4life]

Yup Big 10=FAIL

I think anyone saying the Big-10 "sucks" is a failure, as well.

Ohio St. has choked in big games the last 3 years, and we've handled Michigan every time we've squared up for a few years now.... but it's still DI football at the highest level.

Michigan and Ohio St. are both factories for the NFL, and have sent just as many top prospects to the NFL as anyone else.

My point is not that the Pac-10 is "better", it's that you gotta be real clueless to really think that just because some of these TEAMS do better than others, that they are "soft" teams.

*The best part is that the SEC's non-conference schedule's are usually a competel joke... USC may play teams like Stanford and Washington that aren't very good.... but at least they're not playing against Iaa teams !

[Adrian]

Ive been to SF and SD and their weather is completely different. Its like comparing Virginia or Maryland to Florida. SoCal does have the best weather in the land. No argument there.

And because of it, Southern Cal > Nor Cal athletes because of their weather. All of those schools with the exception of De La Salle and Oakland Tech (never heard of Tech at all) are in Southern Cal.

Do you not see the trend in your OWN FREAKIN STATE?! Sure you do : "Sports is LIFE in California, especially Southern Cal" :laugh:

Now, how about you take southern Cal, and multiply it by 4 or 5 and you have the Southeast. Miami, Ft Lauderdale, Tampa, Orlando, and Jacksonville already outnumber SoCal by a bunch, now add in Georgia, Louisiana, Alabama, Tennessee, the Carolinas, and Arkansas and you have a Southeastern blowout in the top athletes produced.

You claim all these all americans and pro bowlers yet for some reason you never have any numbers or names to back your side up. I think you already know my list would take a **** over yours and are avoiding it completely.

Smart man. Avoiding the main thing I called you out on.

Wheres that list of All Americans and Pro Bowlers from the past 3-4 years? Im still waiting for that.

Until you post that list, Im not bothering with any of your sorry arguments towards me. If you have half a brain, you'd just quit, not post it, and let this go and accept it.

[SB49er4life]

The Big 10 will continue to get dis respected for a while. Even with teams like OSU, Illinois, Penn State and Wisconsin. Indiana, MSU and Purdue are very solid teams. Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota and N'Western are kinda bad though.

If OSU returns the favor to USC next year, it will go a long way in helping. OSU's non-conference schedule goes as follows: Army, USC, Toledo and New Mexico State. USC is the only team that would be considered a credible win for next year.

The Michigan game this year is still 1000x bigger than the USC game. Those players wake up every morning to play Michigan. Michigan gets OSU's best every year.

You can't change others views. Personally I think the Big 10 is very solid overall. But most people see the past 2 national titles and the USC game. Which is just OSU. Michigan put a beating on Florida last year. But does anybody care? No. Wisconsin almost beat Tennessee, but does anyone care? No. It's just how it is. Until OSU beats somebody, they don't deserve a bunch of credit because they haven't earned it. The Big 10 vs the SEC in bowl games. The Big 10 is 91-86-6 Here's a link (http://www.secsportsfan.com/big-ten-vs-sec-in-bowl-games.html)

GREAT POST.

Look, bottom line is, you gotta be a BALLER to be able to play for a DI school at a major program... period.

Ohio St. doesn't deserve credit for being a truly great college football TEAM, but they are as good of a college football PROGRAM as there is (behind USC, of course, hehe).

It's mind boggling how a school, in this case, OSU, pump out many 1st day draft picks over the course of several years, yet people are stupid enough to say things like "Oh, they wouldn't be able to compete in the SEC". WTF ?!?!

Same with Michigan, and same with Penn St., although they haven't been as great the last couple years.

The thing is, EVERY major conference has a few teams that can contend year in, year out, and a few teams that end up not doing squat.

Frankly, a lot of these SEC teams' start the season in the Top 25 b/c of the SEC hype... and slowly fall off after they inevitably get upset and people realize that there was nothing special about them in the 1st place.

Some of these people are just frustrating... you have kids that have probably never even left the region they live talkin' about how the weather in the South makes for better athletes in football/baseball, and another dim wit who completely forgot that USC has had a part in 3 of the last 5 national chamionships.

Oh well... I'm crossing my fingers and praying that LSU or Florida makes it to the BCS title game this year, just so USC can hang 30+ on one of their defense's.

I can already picture the excuses from SEC fans: "But... but... USC still plays in a weak conference, even though they whooped our ***".

[Rockyn]

Future embarrassment ? Are you really this stupid ?

USC won the National Championship along with LSU in 2003. And don't tell me "Well it was just LSU/OU playing in 'ship game" because obviously the game USC played in had a huge bearing on the award, ya know, since the BCS thought they deserved the title as well.

Thank you for establishing yourself as the person who knows the absolute least about college football on this message board.

Wow, I don't know whose stupider, you, or the ***** kid that thinks growing up in the South makes you more athletic than growing up on the West Coast.

I honestly can't believe you're that dumb.

And I quote AGAIN
USC has been a contestant in 3 of the last 5 National Championship Bowl Games.

Unless the 2003 Rose Bowl was the National Championship game, no you moron, they only played in 2. I'm well aware the fact that USC split the 2003 title, but they have only played in 2 NC games since the BCS began...and it's painfully evident you're trying to spin that 2003 split to equal 3 NC games so you sound less like a moron. They have been a contestant in 2 of the last 5 National Championship games. You're like the Catholic Church to Galileo.

So please keep insulting me. I'm not spinning anything, I'm just using your own words. 2 is not = to 3. Every fan of college football knows that USC has only been in 2 BCS NC games. Everyone...

Except you :falldownlaugh:

No one takes you seriously any more, but feel free to keep it up. Don't let me stop you. :shoot:

[SB49er4life]

Ive been to SF and SD and their weather is completely different. Its like comparing Virginia or Maryland to Florida. SoCal does have the best weather in the land. No argument there.

And because of it, Southern Cal > Nor Cal athletes because of their weather. All of those schools with the exception of De La Salle and Oakland Tech (never heard of them at all) are in Southern Cal.

Do you not see the trend in your OWN FREAKIN STATE?! Sure you do : "Sports is LIFE in California, especially Southern Cal" :laugh:

Now, how about you take southern Cal, and multiply in by 4 or 5 and you have the Southeast. Miami, Ft Lauderdale, Tampa, Orlando, and Jacksonville already outnumber SoCal by a bunch, now add in Georgia, Louisiana, Alabama, Tennessee, the Carolinas, and Arkansas and you have a Southeastern blowout in the top athletes produced.

You claim all these all americans and pro bowlers yet for some reason you never have any numbers or names to back your side up. I think you already know my list would take a **** over yours and are avoiding it completely.

Smart man. Avoiding the main thing I called you out on.

Wheres that list of All Americans and Pro Bowlers from the past 3-4 years? Im still waiting for that.

Until you post that list, Im not bothering with any of your sorry arguments towards me. If you have half a brain, you'd just quit, not post it, and let this go and accept it.

Sorry buddy, I gave you your chance in your other post, and you completely blew it with your ignorant drivel. The same way I'm not gonna argue with 6 year old throwing a temper tantrum, I'm not gonna argue with you when you continue to stupid things like "well, the weather is way different in Nor Cal".

I don't respect you enough to use my time into research for things you are just gonna have excuses for anyways, do you understand ? I could make a list off the top of my head, but I don't care enough to go that far outta my way for this, because I know every single person reading this who is not an SEC homer knows the truth.


I lived 11 years in Nor Cal, and about 13 years down here... the only difference is NorCal probably has about 20 days of rain more, and might be a few degrees cooler on avg.

You're probably so dumb that you went to SF for a visit, saw all the fog, and didn't even realize that SF does not have the same exact climate as the rest of NorCal.

*By the way, genius, a lot of those great Florida players end up at FSU or Miami... which are NOT in the SEC. Good job.

[Adrian]

Sorry buddy, I gave you your chance in your other post, and you completely blew it with your ignorant drivel. The same way I'm not gonna argue with 6 year old throwing a temper tantrum, I'm not gonna argue with you when you continue to stupid things like "well, the weather is way different in Nor Cal".

I don't respect you enough to use my time into research for things you are just gonna have excuses for anyways, do you understand ? I could make a list off the top of my head, but I don't care enough to go that far outta my way for this, because I know every single person reading this who is not an SEC homer knows the truth.


I lived 11 years in Nor Cal, and about 13 years down here... the only difference is NorCal probably has about 20 days of rain more, and might be a few degrees cooler on avg.

You're probably so dumb that you went to SF for a visit, saw all the fog, and didn't even realize that SF does not have the same exact climate as the rest of NorCal.

*By the way, genius, a lot of those great Florida players end up at FSU or Miami... which are NOT in the SEC. Good job.

But those schools ARE in the SOUTHEAST you dumb ***. Oh lord...

But anyway, thats what I thought..another post without anything to prove me otherwise..well done. Just keep dodging the bullet like you have been the entire time.

BTW, I went to both SF and SD in the summer time for a week. The weather was much colder, more rainy than SD. By far...its isnt just " a few degrees"

[SB49er4life]

I honestly can't believe you're that dumb.

And I quote AGAIN


Unless the 2003 Rose Bowl was the National Championship game, no you moron, they only played in 2. I'm well aware the fact that USC split the 2003 title, but they have only played in 2 NC games since the BCS began...and it's painfully evident you're trying to spin that 2003 split to equal 3 NC games so you sound less like a moron. They have been a contestant in 2 of the last 5 National Championship games. You're like the Catholic Church to Galileo.

So please keep insulting me. I'm not spinning anything, I'm just using your own words. 2 is not = to 3. Every fan of college football knows that USC has only been in 2 BCS NC games. Everyone...

Except you :falldownlaugh:

No one takes you seriously any more, but feel free to keep it up. Don't let me stop you. :shoot:

Because it did, or else they wouldn't have been given a share of the 'ship.

If not, feel free to explain how USC got a share of while *only* 2 other teams are competing.

The only people that agree with you are a 19 year old Florida home-body and some dude who posts pictures in place of arguments.

USC and LSU share a national title, do you understand this ? If there was 1 Championship game, then wouldn't it make sense that LSU would be the only champion ?

Wow, you guys are alright in sports down in Louisiana, that's for sure, but the education system is a whole different story.

[SB49er4life]

But those schools ARE in the SOUTHEAST you dumb ***.

But anyway, thats what I thought..another post without anything to prove me otherwise..well done. Just keep dodging the bullet like you have been the entire time.

you have failed.

Wow, you people in the South are way dumber than I even thought.

What did this debate start with ?

The South East CONFERENCE.

Exactly why you're not taken seriously.

[Adrian]

Wow, you people in the South are way dumber than I even thought.

What did this debate start with ?

The South East CONFERENCE.

Exactly why you're not taken seriously.

we've been talking about the SEC and how the SEC has better athletes.

The reason they have better athletes is because of the athletes that come out of the SOUTHEAST.

And whats even more crazy is that the SEC doesnt even get ALL of the southern kids.

They also mainly feed into the ACC, Big 10, and Big East.

California, Washington, and Oregon feed mainly into the Pac 10, WAC, and Mountain West.

[Rockyn]

Because it did, or else they wouldn't have been given a share of the 'ship. If not, feel free to explain how USC got a share of while *only* 2 other teams are competing. Because the AP title is a paper title. It's the media's opinion. No different than the opinion that had USC as last years preseason #1 (which obviously worked out lovely...)

The only people that agree with you are a 19 year old Florida home-body and some dude who posts pictures in place of arguments. And the only person who's actively defending you in this thread is a Big-10 fan and Jigga? Who the hell cares how many people are in this thread. For the record, pictures are still far more intelligent or substantive than anything you've said.

USC and LSU share a national title, do you understand this ? If there was 1 Championship game, then wouldn't it make sense that LSU would be the only champion? You don't seem to understand what the AP title is. Wiki might be a good place to start.

Wow, you guys are alright in sports down in Louisiana, that's for sure, but the education system is a whole different story.

Who cares about education when we have more BCS titles and just as many AP titles in the last decade as USC? :laugh:

[Rockyn]

So because I'm a Big 10 fan I have no knowledge of college football?

No, you've proven you're alright. I'm just implying that there might be an inherit (and possibly subconscious) bias towards SEC teams considering the previous 2 NCG.

And the above USC homer/clown seems to be the one who first claimed that Adrian and I don't have a clue what we're talking about based on our respect of the SEC. Why? Good luck getting him to explain it.

[Rockyn]

I know I already asked this, but I want someone to tell me what the big arguement is about. Please and thanks.

Oh just conference peen measuring :laugh:

[SB49er4life]

we've been talking about the SEC and how the SEC has better athletes.

The reason they have better athletes is because of the athletes that come out of the SOUTHEAST.

And whats even more crazy is that the SEC doesnt even get ALL of the southern kids.

They also mainly feed into the ACC, Big 10, and Big East.

California, Washington, and Oregon feed mainly into the Pac 10, WAC, and Mountain West.

And the Pac-10 and USC don't get all the Cali kids, aside from not all the good players from the SEC being from the South, genius. Try thinking a little bit harder next time.

[roleplay3r1]

People still argue about which conference is better? Sorry, I've got to watch the paint on my bedroom wall dry.

[Red Glare]

Last years pro bowl starters:

QB: Brett Favre, C-USA
Tom Brady Big 10
RB: Adrian Peterson, big 12
LaDainian Tomlinson C-USA
FB: Tony Richardson, SEC
Lorenzo Neal WAC
WR: Larry Fitzgerald Big east
Terrell Owens 1AA
Randy Moss, C-USA
Reggie Wayne ACC
TE: Jason Witten, SEC
Antonio Gates MAC
OT: Flozell Adams, big 10
Walter Jones ACC
Matt Light, big 10
Jason Peters SEC
OG: Leonard Davis, big 12
Steve Hutchinson big 10
Alan Faneca, SEC
Logan Mankins WAC
C: Andre Gurode, big 12
Jeff Saturday ACC

Defense
DE: Aaron Kampman, big 10
Patrick Kerney ACC
Jared Allen, 1AA
Kyle Vanden Bosch big 12
DT: Kevin Williams, big 12
Pat Williams big 12
A. Haynesworth, SEC
Vince Wilfork ACC
OLB: Julian Peterson, big 10
D. Ware sun belt
James Harrison, MAC
Mike Vrabel big 10
ILB: Lofa Tatupu, Pac 10
DeMeco Ryans SEC
CB: Al Harris, Community college
Marcus Trufant Pac 10
Champ Bailey, SEC
Asante Samuel C-USA
FS: Ken Hamlin, SEC
Ed Reed ACC
SS: Darren Sharper, 1AA
Bob Sanders big 10

Special teams
P: Andy Lee, big east
Shane Lechler big 12
K: Nicholas Folk, pac 10
Rob Bironas 1AA
KR: Devin Hester, ACC
Josh Cribbs MAC
ST: B. Ayanbadejo, pac 10
Kassim Osgood MWC

ACC-7
Big East-2
Big 10-8
Big 12-7
C-USA-4
MAC-3
Pac 10-4
WAC-3
SEC-8
Sun Belt-1
Mountain West-1
1AA/community college-5

Big 10 wins

Fixed. Alan Faneca went to LSU not to a WAC school.

[Adrian]

And the Pac-10 and USC don't get all the Cali kids, aside from not all the good players from the SEC being from the South, genius. Try thinking a little bit harder next time.

USC easily gets the best Cali kids and the rest go to Oregon, OrSU, ASU, Wazzou, Wash, AZ, Cal, Stanford, and UCLA.

The lesser recruited ones go to Fresno, BYU, Utah, Boise and the rest of the mid majors.

Id say about 95% of the kids from the South play for the southern teams. A few go up north to play for Ohio State and Michigan and a couple other big 10and big east teams.

Why dont you just go to Rivals.com and look at the recruiting classes for every major university in the south and you'll realize how insane it is down here and how most of their recruiting classes are centered around the south.

[Adrian]

Now, Ohio9er, look at where every one of those Big 10, ACC, and SEC and even the JUCO 1-AA guys came from/hometown.

Most of them are from the SOUTHEASTERN part of the country.

End of discussion.

[rathman53]

:falldownlaugh:

Exactly. At the people who were considering him too. Abolutuly sucked azz tonite:pards:

[Rockyn]

Like I said, I would be all for USC playing 1 year in the SEC just to run the table quiet all this non-sense down.

USC would run the table if they played in the SEC, and nobody wants to admit it.

This is all hilarious... anyway you slice it up, USC dominates, and it kills you SEC guys to admit it.

Oh well... I'm crossing my fingers and praying that LSU or Florida makes it to the BCS title game this year, just so USC can hang 30+ on one of their defense's.

USC? BCS Title Game? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Before you hang 30+ on any defense, you might want to hang more than 21 on Oregon State. Thanks.

Careful now, Arizona/Oregon/Cal/ASU/Stanford/OSU all lead USC in the race for the Pac-10 title. Can't let that happen! :falldownlaugh:

But hey, there's always next year!

FIGHT ON! :laugh:

[duxstar]

lol he'll be eating his own words soon. Awesome Thursday night

[SB49er4life]

USC? BCS Title Game? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Before you hang 30+ on any defense, you might want to hang more than 21 on Oregon State. Thanks.

Careful now, Arizona/Oregon/Cal/ASU/Stanford/OSU all lead USC in the race for the Pac-10 title. Can't let that happen! :falldownlaugh:

But hey, there's always next year!

FIGHT ON! :laugh:

Is that why the ONLY schools that can **** with USC consistently come from the Pac-10 ?

Why don't you go ahead and try to look up when the last time an SEC team even BEAT the Trojans ?

Oh wait, nevermind, the SEC is too ***** to even play anyone west of the Mississippi...


Barely a month into the season... we'll still be in the hunt for the Nat'l championship.

At least we have the balls to not keep playin' Iaa teams early in the year to make ourselves look better...

[Rockyn]

Is that why the ONLY schools that can **** with USC consistently come from the Pac-10 ?

Why don't you go ahead and try to look up when the last time an SEC team even BEAT the Trojans ?

Oh wait, nevermind, the SEC is too ***** to even play anyone west of the Mississippi...


Barely a month into the season... we'll still be in the hunt for the Nat'l championship.

At least we have the balls to not keep playin' Iaa teams early in the year to make ourselves look better...

LMAO @ the Alexcuses, whatever helps you sleep better at night bro.

Look, I made my words bigger than yours. USC blows, deal with it.

[SB49er4life]

USC easily gets the best Cali kids and the rest go to Oregon, OrSU, ASU, Wazzou, Wash, AZ, Cal, Stanford, and UCLA.

The lesser recruited ones go to Fresno, BYU, Utah, Boise and the rest of the mid majors.

Id say about 95% of the kids from the South play for the southern teams. A few go up north to play for Ohio State and Michigan and a couple other big 10and big east teams.

Why dont you just go to Rivals.com and look at the recruiting classes for every major university in the south and you'll realize how insane it is down here and how most of their recruiting classes are centered around the south.

Ya, the SOUTH, dumb****... you're comparing a recruiting class of an entire region to one specific state.

Let's see...

Georgia
Tennessee
Alabama
Florida
Mississippi
Missouri
Arkansas
Louisiana
Virginia
South Carolina
North Carolina
West Virginia

Congratulations, 11 states combined can serve up more recruits than California. Great point.

[SB49er4life]

LMAO @ the Alexcuses, whatever helps you sleep better at night bro.

Look, I made my words bigger than yours. USC blows, deal with it.

USC plays schools like Virginia and Ohiot St. for their non-conference games...

...go ahead and list the names of the schools the SEC teams have played so far this year.

The SEC is still an over-rated joke. USC losing tonight doesn't change the fact that there are about 4 legit offensive players in the entire SEC combined.

[Rockyn]

Ya, the SOUTH, dumb****... you're comparing a recruiting class of an entire region to one specific state.

Let's see...

Georgia
Tennessee
Alabama
Florida
Mississippi
Missouri
Arkansas
Louisiana
Virginia
South Carolina
North Carolina
West Virginia

Congratulations, 11 states combined can serve up more recruits than California. Great point.

You just listed 12 states. So not only do you fail at life, you fail at math as well. 360 degrees of fail.

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[Rockyn]

USC plays schools like Virginia and Ohiot St. for their non-conference games...

...go ahead and list the names of the schools the SEC teams have played so far this year.

The SEC is still an over-rated joke. USC losing tonight doesn't change the fact that there are about 4 legit offensive players in the entire SEC combined.

Virginia? Wow are you seriously flaunting that? Ohio State? Didn't we just play them in the NC and beat them? (oh and in case you didn't know USC didn't play in that NC either).

You know, maybe you need some more D-1AA games in there just to be safe. Of course those games might do more bad than good, USC can't even prepare for Oregon State with their SECOND bye week.

[Adrian]

Ya, the SOUTH, dumb****... you're comparing a recruiting class of an entire region to one specific state.

Let's see...

Georgia
Tennessee
Alabama
Florida
Mississippi
Missouri
Arkansas
Louisiana
Virginia
South Carolina
North Carolina
West Virginia

Congratulations, 11 states combined can serve up more recruits than California. Great point.

1. West Virginia isnt the south...The south is from Tennessee and Southern Virginia, downward. :laugh:

2. Im comparing the entire West Coast (California, Washington, Oregon, Arizona, Utah, Nevada)

Not just California:slap:

learn how to read.

[SB49er4life]

1. West Virginia isnt the south...The south is from Tennessee and Southern Virginia, downward. :laugh:

2. Im comparing the entire West Coast (California, Washington, Oregon, Arizona, Utah, Nevada)

Not just California:slap:

learn how to read.

I DID read.. which is the exact reason why I highlighted you saying "cali kids" in your post.

I counted wrong when I listed the states... congratulations, it takes me being drunk and fresh off of getting home from the bar for you to have anything tangible against me.

My geography was wrong on the Va's.

Either way... you guys can laugh it all up, USC lost straight up to Oregon St., no excuses, they out played us.

At least we don't have to play teams that would get beat by a good JuCo to pad our records.

[SB49er4life]

You just listed 12 states. So not only do you fail at life, you fail at math as well. 360 degrees of fail.

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It's all good man... laugh it while you can.

You'll hear it from me when the SEC is outta Nat'l Championship contention altogether.

[Rockyn]

It's all good man... laugh it while you can.

You'll hear it from me when the SEC is outta Nat'l Championship contention altogether.

Does it make you rage that there will likely be 3 SEC teams in the Top 4 after this weekend? And you're going to tell me that none of them are going to be around at the end of the season?

I'm going to be laughing for a long time...and it's not even at USC, it's at people like you.

[SB49er4life]

Does it make you rage that there will likely be 3 SEC teams in the Top 4 after this weekend? And you're going to tell me that none of them are going to be around at the end of the season?

I'm going to be laughing for a long time...and it's not even at USC, it's at people like you.

I don't really care what the rankings are at the end of this weekend... I care about what they are at the end of the season when it matters.

I hope you do laugh for a long time... you're probably cherishing it since this is one of the only opportunities you'll get.

Just like it happens every year, SEC teams that start off "ranked" because of the ESPN bias will fall off the Top 25 altogether... I hope you have the same bravado you do now when THAT happens.

FACT:

USC vs. The SEC since' 04 = 2-0

[Adrian]

I DID read.. which is the exact reason why I highlighted you saying "cali kids" in your post.

I counted wrong when I listed the states... congratulations, it takes me being drunk and fresh off of getting home from the bar for you to have anything tangible against me.

My geography was wrong on the Va's.

Either way... you guys can laugh it all up, USC lost straight up to Oregon St., no excuses, they out played us.

At least we don't have to play teams that would get beat by a good JuCo to pad our records.

There are a bunch of SEC teams playing D1 OOC teams this year, more so than any year before.

And Ive been comparing the Southeast to the West Coast the whole time. You started mentioning Southern Cal athletes and competition and the SE is like that, but on a much bigger scale throughout the region.

And besides, California has the population of like 4 or 5 SEC states. (Bama, Arkansas, Louisiana, Tennessee, and Mississippi) so the numbers are pretty close anyway, just a higher amount of high quality ball players on this side.

[Rockyn]

I don't really care what the rankings are at the end of this weekend... I care about what they are at the end of the season when it matters. Have you enjoyed the last 3 final rankings?

I hope you do laugh for a long time... you're probably cherishing it since this is one of the only opportunities you'll get. Meh, it only happens once or twice a year but that's all that's necessary. :laugh:

Just like it happens every year, SEC teams that start off "ranked" because of the ESPN bias will fall off the Top 25 altogether... I hope you have the same bravado you do now when THAT happens.

SEC teams from 2007 AP Preseason Poll
LSU (2)
Florida (6)
Georgia (13)
Tennessee (15)
Auburn (18)
Arkansas (21)

Average Ranking of Ranked Teams: 14.16

SEC teams from 2007 AP Final Poll
LSU (1) +1
Georgia (2) +11
Tennessee (12) +3
Florida (13) -7
Auburn (15) +3

Average Ranking of Ranked Teams: 8.6

Wooooow, all those SEC teams falling off...oh it's just Arkansas. And only 1 other team (Florida) didn't finish higher than they started. Oh and take note of the Top 2 teams.

FACT:

USC vs. The SEC since' 04 = 2-0

YAAAAAAAY WE BEAT ARKANSAS TWICE! WEEE! IT TOTALLY JUSTIFIES OUR EXISTENCE!

[Mullester]

Not after tonight!

[mwbudd]

Mark Sanchez is just another in a long line of overrated USC QB's. When was the last time you saw one have any success after they left USC?

Not too many.

[SB49er4life]

Mark Sanchez is just another in a long line of overrated USC QB's. When was the last time you saw one have any success after they left USC?

Not too many.

Ever heard of a guy named Carson Palmer ?

Mark Sanchez is the only reason why USC was even in that game last night...

OL played like garbage, RB's were terrible, and the D was just getting killed in the trenches.

If you wanna call somebody on USC's offense over-rated... look no further than Joe McKnight. Exactly why I was laughing when people tried to say he was gonna end up being better than Reggie Bush.

[Hobbes2d]

Ever heard of a guy named Carson Palmer ?

Mark Sanchez is the only reason why USC was even in that game last night...

OL played like garbage, RB's were terrible, and the D was just getting killed in the trenches.

If you wanna call somebody on USC's offense over-rated... look no further than Joe McKnight. Exactly why I was laughing when people tried to say he was gonna end up being better than Reggie Bush.

Word. Joe McKnight sucks. He tries to outrun everyone and juke and **** instead of getting positive yards. Gable and Johnson are better IMO. Johnson especially is a beast. Seems like everytime he got a big gain it was called back on a holding penalty.

[Rockyn]

Ever heard of a guy named Carson Palmer ?

Mark Sanchez is the only reason why USC was even in that game last night...

OL played like garbage, RB's were terrible, and the D was just getting killed in the trenches.

If you wanna call somebody on USC's offense over-rated... look no further than Joe McKnight. Exactly why I was laughing when people tried to say he was gonna end up being better than Reggie Bush.

Wow, if he's the only reason they were in the game last night, that wouldn't bode well for the state of the rest of the team now would it?

And this is a team you expect to be in the hunt at the end? Wow...

[Hobbes2d]

Johnson's by far the best RB they have. It's not surprising that he dominated Laurinitis. The guy blows.

Seriously. Laurinitis gets blown up on mostly every play.

[SB49er4life]

Wow, if he's the only reason they were in the game last night, that wouldn't bode well for the state of the rest of the team now would it?

And this is a team you expect to be in the hunt at the end? Wow...

He's better than any of the SEC QB's.

There are only a handful of offensive players in the SEC that would even start at USC, and a lot of USC's back-ups would be the man at their position at a lot of those SEC schools.

USC lost that game because Oregon St. controlled the LOS, ran the ball with authority and stopped the run, not because of QB play. You either didn't watch the game or don't know jack **** about football for you to come to the conclusion that Mark Sanchez was the #1 culprit behind them losing.

[SB49er4life]

Word. Joe McKnight sucks. He tries to outrun everyone and juke and **** instead of getting positive yards. Gable and Johnson are better IMO. Johnson especially is a beast. Seems like everytime he got a big gain it was called back on a holding penalty.

McKnight is the most over-rated player I ever remember coming to USC.

The other RB's are ok... nothing special. I DID see Stafon Johnson push Lauranitis back at the POA against Ohio St. a couple weeks ago... hmmm... 205 lb RB vs 245 lbs LB ?

[roleplay3r1]

McKnight is the most over-rated player I ever remember coming to USC.

The other RB's are ok... nothing special. I DID see Stafon Johnson push Lauranitis back at the POA against Ohio St. a couple weeks ago... hmmm... 205 lb RB vs 245 lbs LB ?

Johnson's by far the best RB they have. It's not surprising that he dominated Laurinitis. The guy blows.

[r0b81]

Word. Joe McKnight sucks. He tries to outrun everyone and juke and **** instead of getting positive yards. Gable and Johnson are better IMO. Johnson especially is a beast. Seems like everytime he got a big gain it was called back on a holding penalty.

Agreed. Johnson was the only RB getting positive gains.

[SB49er4life]

Johnson's by far the best RB they have. It's not surprising that he dominated Laurinitis. The guy blows.

And I thought Emmanuel Moody was better than him and Gable, and he transferred.