~~~2009 Free Agent Class~~~

[majesstik1]

Key
R = Restricted Free Agent (I don't list Exclusive Rights guys, they usually don't move)
V = Voidable Contract - either by club or player

QB
Donavan McNabb (V)
Kurt Warner
Kerry Collins
Jeff Garcia
Matt Cassel
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Dan Orlovsky
J.P. Losman
Kyle Boller
Todd Bouman
Luke McCown
Rex Grossman
Joey Harrington
Patrick Ramsey
Chris Simms
Charlie Batch
Byron Leftwich
David Carr
J.T. O'Sullivan
Anthony Wright
Brooks Bollinger
Jamie Martin
Craig Nall
Charlie Frye
Gibran Hamdan
Brian St. Pierre

RB
Brandon Jacobs
Darren Sproles
Fred Jackson
Derrick Ward
Maurice Morris
Cedric Benson
Dominic Rhodes
LaMont Jordan
Michael Pittman
Correll Buckhalter
Kevin Jones
Shaun Alexander
Rudi Johnson
Jason Wright
Kenny Watson
Aaron Stecker
J.J. Arrington
P.J. Daniels (R)
Travis Minor
Jesse Chatman
Ryan Moats
Samkon Gado
DeDe Dorsey (R)
Cory Ross (R)

FB
Terrelle Smith
Leonard Weaver
Tony Richardson
Lorenzo Neal
Heath Evans
Ahmard Hall
Dan Kreider
Moran Norris
Cecil Sapp
Naufahu Tahi (R)
Montell Owens (R)
John Kuhn (R)

WR
T.J. Houshmandzadeh
Antonio Bryant
Lance Moore (R)
Malcolm Floyd (R)
Bobby Engram
Amani Toomer
Shaun McDonald
Nate Washington
Miles Austin (R)
Roscoe Parrish (R)
Demetrius Williams (R)
Hank Baskett (R)
Bryant Johnson
Deverey Henderson
Jabar Gaffney
Terrence Copper
Sam Hurd (R)
Darrell Jackson
Koren Robinson
Brandon Jones
Justin McCareins
Ben Obomanu (R)
Ruvell Martin (R)
Robert Ferguson
Marcus Maxwell (R)
Drew Carter
Dane Looker
Brandon Lloyd
Ashley Lelie
Glenn Holt (R)
Jeff Webb (R)
Shaun Bodiford (R)
Kevin Kasper
Justin Jenkins
Cortez Hankton

TE
Bo Scaife
L.J. Smith
Jeff King (R)
Jim Kleinsasser
Quinn Sypniewski (R)
Greg Estandia (R)
Bubba Franks
Tory Humphrey (R)
Billy Miller
Leonard Pope (R)
Billy Bajema
Darnell Dinkins
Mark Bruener
Mark Campbell
Will Heller
Jeb Putzier
Sean McHugh
Tony Curtis (R)
Sean Ryan
John Owens
Stephen Spach
Joel Dreessen
Tony Stewart

T
Jordan Gross
Vernon Carey
Tra Thomas
Khalif Barnes
Stacy Andrews (inj.)
Mark Tauscher (inj.)
Jon Runyan
John Stinchcomb
Donald Penn (R)
Daniel Loper
Tyson Clabo (R)
Max Starks
Marvel Smith
Ray Willis
Erik Pears (R)
Jeromy Clary (R)
John St. Clair
Floyd Womack
Kwame Harris (V)
Wayne Gandy
Adam Goldberg
Fred Miller
Brandon Gorin
Charles Spencer
Rashad Butler (R)
Trai Essex
Wesly Britt (R)
Kirk Chambers
Damane Duckett
George Foster
Zach Strief (R)
Frank Omiyale
Dan Federkeil (R)

G
Jason Brown
Pete Kendall
Mike Goff
Jahri Evans (R)
Chris Kemoeatu
Seth McKinney
Cooper Carlisle
Harvey Dahl (R)
Mark Setterstrom
Kynan Forney
Richie Incognito
Jason Fabini
Chris Naeole
Tutan Reyes
Milford Brown
Stephen Peterman
Elton Brown
Adrian Jones
Russ Hochstein
Scott Young
Joe Berger
Jeb Terry

C
Jeff Saturday
Matt Birk
Brad Meester
Eric Ghiaciuc
Brett Romberg
Chris White (R)
Rudy Niswanger (R)
Melvin Fowler
Geoff Hangartner
Duke Preston
John Wade
Nick Leckey
Grey Ruegamer
Nick Cole (R)
Ben Wilkerson (R)
Justin Geisinger
Chukki Okobi
Scott Jackson (R)
Chris Morris
Lennie Friedman
Matt Lehr
Scott Peters
Cory Proctor (R)
Jeremy Newberry
Tom Nalen

DE
Julius Peppers
Antonio Smith
Igor Olshansky
Chris Canty
Bertrand Berry
Demetric Evans
Michael Montgomery
Earl Cochran (R)
Josh Thomas
Kevin Carter
Ebenezer Ekuban
Stanley McClover (R)
Jason Hunter (R)
Roderick Green
Corey Smith
Victor Adeyanju (R)
Kenneth Pettway (R)
Jerome McDougle
Dave Tollefson (R)
James Wyche (R)
Jayme Mitchell (R)
Copeland Bryan
Otis Grigsby (R)
Chauncy Davis
Eric Moore

DT
Albert Haynesworth
Jovan Haye
Rocky Bernard
Israel Idonije
Dwan Edwards
La'Roi Glover
John Thronton
C.J. Mosley
Kedric Golston (R)
Tank Johnson
Mike Wright
Tony McDaniel
Anthony Montgomery (R)
Gabe Watson (R)
Grady Jackson
Fred Evans (R)
Shaun Cody
Colin Cole
Darwin Walker
Jeff Zgonina
Orpheus Roye
Antwan Lake
Ronald Fields
Kenny Peterson
Howard Green
Ellis Wyms
Darrell Reid
Jimmy Kennedy
Hollis Thomas
Orien Harris (R)
Brandon McKinney (R)
Santonio Thomas
Kevin Vickerson
William Joseph

LB
Terrell Suggs
Karlos Dansby
Angelo Crowell
Bart Scott
LeRoy Hill
Michael Boley
Jonathan Vilma
Takeo Spikes
Marques Harris
Andra Davis
Channing Crowder
Mike Peterson
Zach Thomas
Clark Haggans
Eric Barton
Brandon Johnson (R)
John DiGiorgio (R)
Reshad Jeanty (R)
Tyjuan Haglar
Paris Lenon
Tank Daniels (R)
Nate Webster
Napoleon Harris
Keith Ellison (R)
Daryl Blackstock
Pat Thomas
Tony Gilbert
Heath Farwell
Khary Campbell
Keyaron Fox
Coy Wire
Ricky Brown (R)
Pierre Woods (R)
Kris Griffin
Troy Evans
James Anderson (R)
Adam Seward
Donte' Curry
D.D. Lewis
Brian Iwuh (R)
Andre Frazier
Darrell McClover
Shawntee Orr
Carlos Polk
Mario Haggan
Antoine Cash (R)
Rocky Boiman
Corey Mays (R)
Monty Beisel
Abdul Hodge
Cody Spencer
Sam Williams
Jon Alston (R)
Marquis Cooper
Isaiah Ekejiuba
Lance Laury (R)

CB
Nnamdi Asomugha
Dunta Robinson
Bryant McFadden (R)
Kelvin Hayden
Ron Bartell
Philip Buchanon
DeAngelo Hall
Domonique Foxworth
Jabari Greer
Andre Goodman
Dre' Bly
Kevin Dockery (R)
Karl Paymah
Fakhir Brown
Daven Holly
Jamar Fletcher
Eric Green
Will James
Evan Oglesby
Anthony Madison (R)
Hank Poteat
Charles Gordon (R)
Leigh Torrence (R)
Ty Law
Fernando Bryant
Terry Cousin
Donald Strickland
Reynaldo Hill
Ricky Manning
Scott Starks
Travis Daniels
Stanley Wilson
Joselio Hanson
R.W. McQuarters
Jason Craft
Benny Sapp
Aaron Glenn
Ralph Brown
Jarrett Bush (R)
Cletis Gordon (R)
Chris Johnson
Eric King
Derrick Martin (R)
Anwar Phillips (R)
Ahmad Carroll
Michael Waddell

S
Sean Jones
O.J. Atogwe
Brian Dawkins
Darren Sharper
Dawan Landry (R)
Jermaine Phillips
Yeremiah Bell
Eugene Wilson
James Butler
James Sanders
Jarrad Page (R)
Atari Bigby (R)
Lawyer Milloy
Mike Brown
Nate Salley (R)
C.C. Brown
Renaldo Hill
Reed Doughty (R)
Nick Ferguson
Chris Crocker
Gerald Sensabaugh
Will Allen
Brandon McGowan
Keith Davis
Sean Consodine
Vince Fuller
Tank Williams
Hiram Eugene (R)
Pierson Prioleau
Abram Elam (R)
Mike Adams
Marlon McCree
Antoine Harris (R)
Donte Nicholson (R)
Michael Boulware
Calvin Lowry (R)
Matt Giordano
Cameron Worrell
Jon McGraw
Anthony Smith (R)
Oliver Celestin
Rashad Baker

RS
Chris Carr
Justin Miller
Miles Austin (R)
Dante Hall

Let me know if you see any guys missing, or guys who don't belong.

[faithfulfan22]

id say that if there is a god, we will end up signing a good o-linemen like gross, and somehow will manage to get hayensworth and leave it at that unless some good linemen get cut for financial reasons.

[faithfulfan22]

oh, and a new defensive coordinator. someone who will dial up some plays that arent so effing conservative!!!!:banghead:

[Benji]

Alex Smith

[Gof the Gij]

I can has Jason Brown/Jahri Evans/Vernon Carey/Jordan Gross?

[Bdogg]

Some pretty good defensive players on that list. All I want is a great D-lineman.

[DaHonorable49er]

Not to mention Derek Anderson will be on the trading blocks..

[9ernation94]

Awsome list

REP

[majesstik1]

Not to mention Derek Anderson will be on the trading blocks..

Hopefully we're not dumb enough to trade for him.

[Max_Power]

I really, really hope the Giants throw some money at one of those top LBs and get rid of slow *** Pierce. He's a good leader but the guy is a big liability in the middle, ala Rodney Harrison. Bring in an OLB and move Blackburn to middle.

The way they've been drafting, they don't need to throw money at someone else's leftovers.

[WhistlingMtn]

Hopefully we're not dumb enough to trade for him.

Certainly not trade, but if they cut him, I'd take him for 3 years while the new draftee rides the pine!

Side note, whatever happened to Vilma? If the 49ers return to a 4-3, would he be a good OLB? He and Gore went to HS and College together right?

[VaSfan4life]

James Butler at FS,Angleo Crowell and Crowder at LB would be nice and maybe JP Losman. ATLEAST JP has put up #'s in this leauge

[Gof the Gij]

I'd actually be intrigued in going after Olshansky. Putting him and Sopoaga in the middle in a 43 would create some serious matchup problems, just based on their strength.

[Fez]

Pretty interesting list... It'd be a lot better if some of those young up-and-comings weren't tagged with that pesky (R). LOL.

Since our QB situation is pretty funked up right now and we just don't have a certain direction to follow regarding them and the OC gig, I'll restrain myself from making a wishlist including one of those. The RB list is crap and we really don't have a glaring need there, unless we dump DeShaun Foster after only one year with us (signed a 2-year deal); still I'd say we'll probably replace him with Thomas Clayton. If Martz's gone then I wouldn't mind bringing back a FB like Moran Norris or get the top one in the market, which seems to be Leonard Weaver. It's a good year to be searching for a FB, may I say.

WRs and TEs aren't likely. We have a young, improving group so we ain't going after someone like Houshmandzadeh. If we don't re-sign Bryant Johnson we may get another low-tier veteran but I'm not holding my breath. TEs? Just offer a buck or two to Bajema and move on.

With our glaring need at T, I'm just thankful that both the draft class and the FA crop are stacked. We have a buffet of insanely large men to select and I can't help but drool at the picture (:fishing: ). Even the G class is a decent one. An earth-mover like Kemoeatu should be fine for us. Baas at LG, Kemoeatu splitting time with Rachal at RG... not bad, I think.


The defensive side is where it gets shaky. I'm actually not holding my breath on the possibility of getting Haynesworth. Tennessee will 99% surely slap him with the franchise tag, and our conservative (not cheap, though) FO won't be daring enough to trade the farm for him. So if it isn't him, there's always the possibility of switching back to a 4-3 base defense (I know, I know, we've been playing most of it this year anyway), get some veteran help (Bernard?) and add a pass rusher like Suggs or Peppers plus another top one via draft.

[AndyLeeMVP]

-QB Jeff Garcia
-OT Jordan Gross
-DE Josh Thomas

[Ky9ersfan]

I think I recall reading on profootballweekly that John Kitna is pretty much guaranteed not to be brought back in Detroit. Myabe he's not the best, but he did throw for alot of yards under Martz a couple years ago. Maybe a backup option if no one better is available.

[Fez]

The first step is finding a new coaching staff so we know what types of players to sign in our new scheme's. Heck these coaches we have now don't even know if they want to run a 34 or 43 base defense.

Exactly. The pool is fine as it is, but it gets shaky for us because we don't even know what we'll try to run next year... and that does not only apply to the defense, but to the offense too.

[Fez]

I think I recall reading on profootballweekly that John Kitna is pretty much guaranteed not to be brought back in Detroit. Myabe he's not the best, but he did throw for alot of yards under Martz a couple years ago. Maybe a backup option if no one better is available.

And a lot of interceptions too...

And Martz is not a guarantee to come back next year.

[Ky9ersfan]

*Kurt Warner
*John Kitna
-----------------------
*Ryan Fitzpatrick

FB
Dan Kreider
Lorenzo Neal


WR
*Chris Gamble
Shaun McDonald

TE
*Jim Kleinsasser
*Billy Bajema

T
*LT Jordan Gross
*RT David Stewart
*RT Vernon Carey
--------------------
RT Tra Thomas
RT Mark Tauscher
RT Jon Runyan
--------------------
*SWING OT DEPTH John St. Clair

C
*C/G Jason Brown
C Matt Birk

DE
*Julius Peppers
Igor Olshansky
-----------------
*Kevin Carter as backup
*Shaun Cody as backup as DE/DT

DT
*RESERVE G/DT Chris Kemoeatu
----------------------------
*Ronald Fields

LB
*Michael Boley
----------------
*Bart Scott
Jonathan Vilma
*Takeo Spikes
--------------
*Michael Boulware
*Jon Alston

CB#2
*Dunta Robinson
----------------
*DeAngelo Hall
Walt Harris
----------------
Philip Buchanon

FS
*Darren Sharper
*Sean Jones
-----------------
*Ty Law
-----------------
Eugene Wilson
Ahmad Carroll

RS
*Justin Miller
*Dante Hall

*These are the guys I think we should consider.

[Ky9ersfan]

And a lot of interceptions too...

And Martz is not a guarantee to come back next year.

You could also attribute some of those to the WR's, and poor O-line protection that he had aswell. But you have to respect his ability a couple years ago to throw for over 4,000 yards, and command a 10 win team. Like I was saying he is a solid backup option if no one better isn't available, or (more realisticly)willing to come here.

If we do replace Martz at OC,we better make sure his replacement is someone at, or above his level. We got to realize that his offesnse is a timing based attack, and we consistently fielded suspect OT pass protection, and suspect QB play. And also consider his ability to lure alot of his former offensive players here at a discounted rate. I am of the opinion that with a couple tweaks here and there, things should improve. We really are not as bad as our critics say, we just need to adress some problem areas.

I also am wondering how we would look if we kept most of Martz offense intact, and also fielded a Indy type of formation aswell.

[Nevyn]

you should add Justin Miller to the return specialist category (and maybe corner), Maj.

Oddly, with all the big names on there, the only people I want right now for next year are Dan Kreider and maybe Miller.

There are some great interior linemen, but I don't believe in paying them, nor do I want to see Chilo treated as Baas was. RT is a possibility, but lost in the fact that he's always hurt is the fact that Jonas' contract is now a bargain even for a RT, and that Snyder is decent depth to back him up. Staley deserves a year with a less stupid offense to show his stuff at LT.

And the last thing I want to see is us spending like wildfire again on the defensive side. Asomugha is incredible, but another 100 million to a corner without fixing the line? Peppers won't hit the market. Suggs probably won't. Haynesworth definitely won't.

The only other intruiging prospect is Houshmanzadeh, but as with interior line, I'd rather give the kids a year to play before I start shopping again.

To me, '09 should be the year of locking up our own talent, cap planning, and looking for bargains amongst the support players. Especially as the cap in the next couple years may not be rising as much as anticipated due to the downturn.

[Ky9ersfan]

I think we should remain with the 3-4 that Nolan installed, that has atleast brought us back to respectability on defense, and fill in the problem areas(pass rush, CB#2, FS). Maybe also flirt with the idea of ocassionally running the Ryan 46. Like the Ravens did out of their 3-4. We first need to add a competent veteran FS ready to contribute in the center field, and a better shut down #2 CB.

Secondly if Randy McMichael, and Richard Dent are serious about working with Singletary, they would be excellent assistant coaches to drill the DL into overall improvement. We could use some more of that nasty disposition instilled into our big guys, with Singletary, and Manusky doing the same thing with the Lbers.

[Nevyn]

Its not a big deal, but don't listen to alot of the people on this MB. alot of people still think we ran a 34 under Nolan. But here's how it is.....despite the fact that Nolan kept talking about running a 34, at most we ran it about 5% of the time under him. We literally ran a 43 or 42 atleast 80% of the time.

Well, we need to be careful here, too, because a lot of 3-4 teams use a 4 man line in their nickel and dime packages, and 3 and 4 receiver sets are so common that those are on the field for everybody a lot more.

In short, every 3-4 has to be able to field a 4 man line.

That being said, Nolan also did like sending out his big sub against base offenses because he was more scared of one big play then slowly being beaten into the ground. Its worth noting that we've been true 3-4 a lot more often in the 2 games he's been gone (and I think I saw some 3-5-5 against the Cards).

I also agree that we shouldn't be lining up a personnel wish list until we've figured out who our DC is and what system we'll run. If we want to go 4-3, we need a great 4-3 speed rusher badly (don't like the options here, better to address in draft). If 3-4, we could use an OLB and desperately need a NT (although signing one will make the Sopo extension and Balmer pick look even worse).

I think we should remain with the 3-4 that Nolan installed, that has atleast brought us back to respectability on defense, and fill in the problem areas(pass rush, CB#2, FS). Maybe also flirt with the idea of ocassionally running the Ryan 46. Like the Ravens did out of their 3-4. We first need to add a competent veteran FS ready to contribute in the center field, and a better shut down #2 CB.


I disagree with almost all of that. As noted above, Nolan never got the 3-4 fully in. And this defense has NOT been respectable this year. And spending free agent dollars to further address the back end of the defense is a horrifying prospect. FS is a very easy position to address in the draft. You can get a competent "centre fielder" in the middle rounds, and occasionally find a playmaker, or you can go higher up an get a very dynamic player. We also have 2 guys we could give a look at that role on the team.

[49ersz]

Nice list!

[co2112]

QB
Matt Cassel
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Todd Bouman
Dan Orlovsky

RB
Brandon Jacobs
Derrick Ward
Maurice Morris
J.J. Arrington

FB
Terrelle Smith
Ahmard Hall

WR
T.J. Houshmandzadeh
Lance Moore (R)

TE
Bo Scaife
Leonard Pope (R)
Jeb Putzier

T
Jordan Gross
Stacy Andrews
Vernon Carey
Mark Tauscher
Mark Colombo
Max Starks
Floyd Womack

G
Chris Naeole

C
Brett Romberg
Matt Lehr

DE
Julius Peppers
Igor Olshansky
Bertrand Berry
Roderick Green

DT
Albert Haynesworth
Rocky Bernard
Kedric Golston (R)

LB
Terrell Suggs
Michael Boley
LeRoy Hill
Mike Peterson
Takeo Spikes
Napoleon Harris
Tyjuan Haglar
Rocky Boiman

CB
Nnamdi Asomugha
Dunta Robinson
Chris Gamble
Bryant McFadden (R)
DeAngelo Hall
Walt Harris to play FS
R.W. McQuarters to play FS

S
Sean Jones
Atari Bigby (R)

RS
Chris Carr
Miles Austin (R)

[majesstik1]

Certainly not trade, but if they cut him, I'd take him for 3 years while the new draftee rides the pine!

Side note, whatever happened to Vilma? If the 49ers return to a 4-3, would he be a good OLB? He and Gore went to HS and College together right?

Derek Anderson sucks. He looked good for 5 or 6 games until teams had enough tape on him, that started his demise. He's too much of a risk taker without the skills to be one.

Vilma is a MLB in the 43, that's why he wanted out of NY and landed in NO. He's having a solid season, and I'd expect NO to work out an extension for him before he hits FA.

I'd actually be intrigued in going after Olshansky. Putting him and Sopoaga in the middle in a 43 would create some serious matchup problems, just based on their strength.

I'm more excited about Antonio Smith. I'm surprised no else has mentioned him yet. He and Dockett abuse us every time we play them. And he works in a 43 r 34.

I think I recall reading on profootballweekly that John Kitna is pretty much guaranteed not to be brought back in Detroit. Myabe he's not the best, but he did throw for alot of yards under Martz a couple years ago. Maybe a backup option if no one better is available.

I didn't list any guys that are under contract next year, even if rumored to be gone. DET is likely to fire their whole coaching staff, at which point, the new crew may want to keep Kitna around.

[650Niners]

Anyone wanna chip in for Dawkins?

[Samson jR 80818]

Some terrible QB's available.. hopefully some good Qb's declare early and we can take one in the early to mid round of the draft.

[650Niners]

Not so much.

He's old and past his prime.

:( .

[101South]

[QUOTE=majesstik1;1927055]
QB
Kurt Warner
Kerry Collins
Matt Cassel
J.P. Losman
Dan Orlovsky
Brian St. Pierre

RB
Maurice Morris
TE
Bo Scaife
Billy Bajema

T
Jordan Gross
Mark Colombo
Tyson Clabo (R)


DE
Antonio Smith
Igor Olshansky
Chris Canty
DT
Albert Haynesworth
Gabe Watson (R)
LB
Terrell Suggs
Karlos Dansby
Mike Peterson

CB
Nnamdi Asomugha
Dunta Robinson
Chris Gamble

S
Atari Bigby (R)

Just some of the guys I like at each position, not even contemplating whether they will re-sign with their clubs.

The really good teams seemingly dont need to do these big signings - because they draft well. Titans, Giants, Pats, Steelers etc... they usually lose guys to FA and go on unfazed.

That said, I am too impatient to wait for McClosin to draft talented, smart, tough, physical guys with leadership ability. It'll take 10 Joe Cohens to find 1 good player. Get out Daddy's wallet Jed.

[SoSublime]

I would use the draft and FA to beef up both sides of the lines. This team is so soft on both lines...I wouldn't even think about getting a QB or any skill positions before I beef up the lines.
For o-line:
-If we plan to keep Joe Staley at LT, then sign RT Vernon Carey
-If we plan to move Staley to RT, then get a LT through the draft
-We need to decide if Bass and Rachal are our Guards because right now I'd be in favor of grabbing Duke Robinson in the draft(assuming we're keeping Staley at LT)
-If we decide that they're our Guards then I'd use the later round picks to draft for depth

D-line improvements really depend on what we do on O-line(I don't expect Haynesworth to be available). If we go the Vernon Carey route, I'd trade down and draft the best defensive end available. We need to improve our defensive ends, we don't get any pressure from the outside.

[beasley for pres]

Jovan Haye FTW

[txboi]

You can remove JT Osullivan he's gonna get the franchise tag put on em by the 49ers. :dance:

[beasley for pres]

You can remove JT Osullivan he's gonna get the franchise tag put on em by the 49ers. :dance:

There were people who seriously talked about that... If I cared enough I'd go dig the thread up.

[SBbound49ers]

~~~Haynesworth~~~

[Nevyn]

~~~Haynesworth~~~

Again, I expect him to be tagged a second time.

[SBbound49ers]

David Stewart signed a long term deal with TEN before the season started.

[Nevyn]

Re-Sign Takeo Spikes.

give me Vernon Carey RT (unless Stacey Andrew is available) and Kelvin Hayden CB

I also like:
Jason Brown - Center; but Heitmann just got an extension and is fine for now
Antonio Bryant - WR; maybe... might stay in TB
Jovan Haye - DL; could play 3-4 DE or 4-3 DT... could also re-sign with TB
James Sanders - FS; probably will re-sign... OR:
Domonique Foxworth - DB; as Free Safety maybe??


Players that I think will Re-Sign with their current teams:
Brandon Jacobs - NY
Albert Haynewsworth - TEN
Terrell Suggs - BAL
Jordan Gross - CAR
Jeff Saturday - IND
Matt Birk - MIN

Players I think will be Franchised (If not re-signed):
Sean Jones - CLE
OJ Atogwe - STL
Nnamdi Asomugha - OAK
Dunta Robinson - HOU
Angelo Crowell - BUF
Michael Boley - ATL
Jonathan Vilma - NO
TJ Houshmandzadeh - CIN

Asomugha, yes. Robinson, maybe. The rest of that list should hit the market, I think. Housh is tough to franchise with the money they have tied into CJ. If they wrre going to resign him I think they would have traded CJ. I don't think the rest are worth a tag.

As for the re-sign list, Haynesworth and Suggs will require re-tagging to stay, but in Haynesworth's case thats a lock. Suggs MIGHT hit the market.Gross may walk, and I think the Giants will let Jacobs go. He's a beast, but their line are the real stars.

[majesstik1]

David Stewart signed a long term deal with TEN before the season started.

thx

[Nevyn]

Actually, looking at the list again, Hollis Thomas would be a reasonable shot as a Franklin replacement at NT. We'd have to sub for him often, but we have Balmner and Sopoaga to rotate on the line and give him a breather.

[SBbound49ers]

Actually, looking at the list again, Hollis Thomas would be a reasonable shot as a Franklin replacement at NT. We'd have to sub for him often, but we have Balmner and Sopoaga to rotate on the line and give him a breather.

He was IRed a few weeks ago and probably doesnt have much left. The Eagles dumped him years ago and that almost always means you're done.

[majesstik1]

He was IRed a few weeks ago and probably doesnt have much left. The Eagles dumped him years ago and that almost always means you're done.

They released him off IR and have re-signed him to the active roster.

[majesstik1]

Also if we stick with the 3-4... Marques Harris wouldn't be a bad pick up

yep

[majesstik1]

Terrance Cody:dance:

Probably won't declare for the draft this year.

[9ernation94]

Actually, looking at the list again, Hollis Thomas would be a reasonable shot as a Franklin replacement at NT. We'd have to sub for him often, but we have Balmner and Sopoaga to rotate on the line and give him a breather.

Terrance Cody:dance:

[Nevyn]

He was IRed a few weeks ago and probably doesnt have much left. The Eagles dumped him years ago and that almost always means you're done.

He's actually had some very good time with the Saints (he destroyed us, especially). He has had some health concerns, and has trouble making weight, but as a 3-4 nose man for first downs and some seconds, he could be exactly what we need.

Believe me, I'd rather instantly have Jamal Williams in his prime. But failing that, we could use a fatass thats hard to move, and Hollis has more burst and fights off doubles better than the other cheap lardos on the list.

The contract would be 2 years at most, and as I said we already have Sopo and Balmer , who we've invested heavily in, so its a pretty low risk signing that could pay off big.

Terrance Cody

Im all for it if he's there. Only question is does Scot admit he was wrong on Balmer that quick? I ask because he still insists he thinks Alex will be a good QB.

[Nevyn]

what does one have to do with the other...if we run a 43 Cody would play the NT and Balmer the other DT spot...in the 34 they play 2 diff positions...

Because we also gave Sopo a big multiyear deal last year, and hes still playing better than Balmer? Think we'll pay him 5 million per to be a backup?

Also, if we go to a 4-3 we shouldnt be spending a first round pick on a 360 pound space eater when we don't have a dominant pass rusher.

Oh, and while I think he's wrong. Scot is on record as saying he sees Balmer as a future 3-4 NT for this team. And in a 4-3, I think NT is a better spot for Balmer than NT.

[MistaViP]

2009 Free Agents
The following is a list of the top 2009 NFL free agents. Thought this might be a handy tool for people in their pipe dreaming for next year

Quarterback:
Patrick Ramsey, UFA, Denver Broncos
Charlie Batch, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers
Kyle Boller, UFA, Baltimore Ravens
Matt Cassel, UFA, New England Patriots
Rex Grossman, UFA, Chicago Bears
Byron Leftwich, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers
J.P. Losman, UFA, Buffalo Bills
Kyle Orton, UFA, Chicago Bears
Kurt Warner, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Jeff Garcia, UFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Charlie Frye UFA Seattle Seahawks
Brooks Bollinger UFA Dallas Cowboys
Chris Simms UFA Tennessee Titans
J.T. O’Sullivan UFA San Francisco 49ers
Matt Gutierrez UFA New England Patriots
Gibran Hamdan UFA Buffalo Bills
Luke McCown UFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Brock Berlin RFA St Louis Rams
Shane Boyd RFA Houston Texans

Running Back:
J.J. Arrington, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Correll Buckhalter, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Jesse Chatman, UFA, New York Jets
Heath Evans, UFA, New England Patriots
Brandon Jacobs, UFA, New York Giants
Kevin Jones, UFA, Chicago Bears
Ryan Moats, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Maurice Morris, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Darren Sproles, UFA, San Diego Chargers
Aaron Stecker, UFA, New Orleans Saints
Jesse Chatman UFA New York Jets
Kenneth Darby RFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Carey Davis RFA Pittsburgh Steelers
Kyle Eckel RFA New England Patriots
Freddie Jackson RFA Buffalo Bills
Terrelle Smith UFA Arizona Cardinals
Jason Wright UFA Cleveland Browns

Wide Receiver:
Hank Baskett, RFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Bobby Engram, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Jabar Gaffney, UFA, New England Patriots
Dante’ Hall, UFA, St. Louis Rams
Devery Henderson, UFA, New Orleans Saints
T.J. Houshmandzadeh, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Sam Hurd, UFA, Dallas Cowboys
Brandon Jones, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Ashley Lelie, UFA, Oakland Raiders
Shaun McDonald, UFA, Detroit Lions
Koren Robinson, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Amani Toomer, UFA, New York Giants
Miles Austin RFA Dallas Cowboys
Dane Looker UFA St Louis Rams

Tight End:
Desmond Clark, UFA, Chicago Bears
Will Heller, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Jeff King, RFA, Carolina Panthers
Jim Kleinsasser, UFA, Minnesota Vikings
Leonard Pope, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Daniel Wilcox, UFA, Baltimore Ravens
Eric Johnson, UFA, New Orleans Saints
Mark Campbell UFA New Orleans Saints
Ben Patrick ERFA Arizona Cardinals
Justin Peelle UFA Miami Dolphins

Place Kicker:
Shayne Graham, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Jason Hanson, UFA, Detroit Lions
John Kasay, UFA, Carolina Panthers
Mike Nugent, UFA, New York Jets
Matt Stover, UFA, Baltimore Ravens

Punter:
Craig Hentrich, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Shane Lechler, UFA, Oakland Raiders

Offensive Line:
Stacy Andrews, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Matt Birk, UFA, Minnesota Vikings
Jordan Black, UFA, Houston Texans
Vernon Carey, UFA, Miami Dolphins
Marc Colombo, UFA, Dallas Cowboys
George Foster, UFA, Detroit Lions
Mike Goff, UFA, San Diego Chargers
Chris Gray, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Jordan Gross, UFA, Carolina Panthers
Pete Kendall, UFA, Washington Redskins
Seth McKinney, UFA, Cleveland Browns
Jon Runyan, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Mark Tauscher, UFA, Green Bay Packers
Tra Thomas, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Fred Weary, UFA, Houston Texans
John Welbourn, UFA, Kansas City Chiefs
Kirk Chambers UFA Buffalo Bills
Duke Preston UFA Buffalo Bills

Defensive Line:
Jonathan Babineaux, UFA, Atlanta Falcons
Bertrand Berry, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Kevin Carter, UFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Shaun Cody, UFA, Detroit Lions
Albert Haynesworth, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Tank Johnson, UFA, Dallas Cowboys
Julius Peppers, UFA, Carolina Panthers
Terrell Suggs, UFA, Baltimore Ravens
John Thornton, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Marcus Tubbs, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Victor Adeyanju RFA St Louis Rams
La’Roi Glover UFA St Louis Rams
Jerome McDougle UFA New York Giants

Linebacker:
Eric Barton, UFA, New York Jets
Jordan Beck, UFA, Denver Broncos
Monty Beisel, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Channing Crowder, UFA, Miami Dolphins
Karlos Dansby, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Tyjuan Hagler, UFA, Indianapolis Colts
Ray Lewis, UFA, Baltimore Ravens
Willie McGinest, UFA, Cleveland Browns
Mike Peterson, UFA, Jacksonville Jaguars
Carlos Polk, UFA, San Diego Chargers
Bart Scott, UFA, Baltimore Ravens
Terrell Suggs, UFA, Baltimore Ravens
Jonathan Vilma, UFA, New Orleans Saints
Sam Williams, UFA, Oakland Raiders
Rocky Boiman UFA Philadelphia Eagles
John DiGiorgio RFA Buffalo Bills
Keith Ellison RFA Buffalo Bills
Buster Davis ERFA Detroit Lions
Larry Izzo UFA New England Patriots
Zach Thomas UFA Dallas Cowboys

Defensive Back:
Nnamdi Asomugha, UFA, Oakland Raiders
Tyron Brackenridge, UFA, Kansas City Chiefs
Mike Brown, UFA, Chicago Bears
Phillip Buchanon, UFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Brian Dawkins, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Chris Gamble, UFA, Carolina Panthers
Jabari Greer, UFA, Buffalo Bills
Rodney Harrison, UFA, New England Patriots
Kelvin Hayden, UFA, Indianapolis Colts
Renaldo Hill, UFA, Miami Dolphins
Daven Holly, UFA, Cleveland Browns
Dawan Landry, RFA, Baltimore Ravens
Bryant McFadden, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers
R.W. McQuarters, UFA, New York Giants
Justin Miller, UFA, New York Jets
Lawyer Milloy, UFA, Atlanta Falcons
Jarrad Page, UFA, Kansas City Chiefs
Dunta Robinson, UFA, Houston Texans
Allen Rossum, UFA, San Francisco 49ers
Darren Sharper, UFA, Darren Sharper
Will Allen UFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Mike Adams UFA Cleveland Browns
Rashad Baker UFA Oakland Raiders
Jason Craft UFA St Louis Rams
Reed Doughty RFA Washington Redskins
Demarcus ****ins UFA Houston Texans
Sean Jones UFA Cleveland Browns
Jermaine Phillips UFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
James Sanders UFA New England Patriots
George Wilson UFA Buffalo Bills






We should sign Jeff Garcia next year. Even though i am still pissed off that we rejected the trade from the bucs. We get him and draft a qb in the second round.

We dont need a WR. We have young potential promising recievers. Bryant Johnson was not worth it so far. Isaac Bruce using up his last tank of gas in his career here in SF but he is just a teacher so farin that receiving corp. Morgan J-Hill will show us somthing later.

We better draft a OT in the first round and Sign a a tackle in the off season with a huge contract given to him. I say we go after Tra Thomas or Jordan Gross.

For DT is very much needed. Say if we dont spend that much on a decent Olineman. We give the big contract to NT Albert Hanesworth. Boy, would he fill that hole in there or what.

Linebackers i say we are okay. But we should get one OLb in the draft. I would say get Suggs but i say no cuz there are other bigger holes to fill in our defense.

Dbacks. Well, Clements should stay where he is at, even though he isnt playing like he is worth freaking 80 mill. But someone needs to take walt harris' place next year for sure. maybegive a good decent contract to Chris Gamble. or a philip Buchanan. Mark Roman has to go. Goldson should earn the shot at FS. But for any possible reason, Since goldson hasnt really shown anything despite of his injury i say we go after Sean Jones.

What you guys think?

[majesstik1]

w3 $hud s1gnz da Ray Lewis!!!11!!

your list is inaccurate and in the wrong forum

[FRiSCOxBLUNTS]

Hopefully T. Brown is starting in Harris' place by next season. And either Goldson or Smith should be taking over for Roman before the season is over.

[MistaViP]

how is the list inaccurate?

[majesstik1]

how is the list inaccurate?

It lists several guys who have been re-signed. It has errors on the UFA/RFA designations. It's missing guys who will be free agents. For a more accurate list, see this: http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showthread.php?t=62377

[Iamavictory]

Why sign Garcia? He's getting up there in years and I'm still pissed he didn't want to say here for the money we offered. He had his chance, he didn't want to be here. Ok, well he did, but only if we threw alot of money at him. And yes, I did want him to stay...

[slayer12]

i know at this point we dont need him, but id like to see darren sproles here, his nfl talent is gettin better every year plus he is an excellent return man.

theres alot of good d lineman going into free agency, but i dont see many of them going anywhere

[eldoniner]

Why sign Garcia? He's getting up there in years and I'm still pissed he didn't want to say here for the money we offered. He had his chance, he didn't want to be here. Ok, well he did, but only if we threw alot of money at him. And yes, I did want him to stay...

You're kidding, right? If you remember correctly, he was benched in favor of Tim Rattay. Let me say it again... TIM RATTAY!!!

Why the hell would he want to stay here to play behind that guy?

I'd love for Garcia to come back. It would give us time to groom a young quarterback, and we can win with Garcia in the meantime.

[MistaViP]

Why sign Garcia? He's getting up there in years and I'm still pissed he didn't want to say here for the money we offered. He had his chance, he didn't want to be here. Ok, well he did, but only if we threw alot of money at him. And yes, I did want him to stay...

Sign Garcia for his experience while we draft a you Qb in the draft. Why not? They guy can still play. And i would take him over any of the free agents there. Him and Warner are the best ones but Warner will obviously stay with the cards. Im pretty sure he wouldnt mind coming back to Cali and stays closer to his hot wife.

[Nevyn]

Sign Garcia for his experience while we draft a you Qb in the draft. Why not? They guy can still play. And i would take him over any of the free agents there. Him and Warner are the best ones but Warner will obviously stay with the cards. Im pretty sure he wouldnt mind coming back to Cali and stays closer to his hot wife.

Bah, if its a temporary fix we're better off saving our money and playing Hill ahead of a rookie. To come back to SF Garcia would be seeking a lot of money. And he also wouldnt appreciate us signing him and then drafting his replacement.

[VaSfan4life]

Bah, if its a temporary fix we're better off saving our money and playing Hill ahead of a rookie. To come back to SF Garcia would be seeking a lot of money. And he also wouldnt appreciate us signing him and then drafting his replacement.

He's Gonna be 39 next year ***k what he Appreciates at this point in his career he would just appreciate the chance to start in this leauge. he cant be mad we draft his Replacement, since he'll be 40 by the time the QB we draft would have sat a year and be ready to play.

[Nevyn]

He's Gonna be 39 next year ***k what he Appreciates at this point in his career he would just appreciate the chance to start in this leauge. he cant be mad we draft his Replacement, since he'll be 40 by the time the QB we draft would have sat a year and be ready to play.

Thats super. But at the chance to start level he can just stay with the Bucs and go to the playoffs again. Or save Brad Childress' life in Minnesota for another potential playoff team. And both of the options involve not crawling back to a team that benched then cut him.

This is not madden. Players have a choice where they go. Besides, as I said, we should not want him anyway.

[Gof the Gij]

I can has Jason Brown?

[majesstik1]

Ray Lewis is missing...

I didn't list him because of the agreed upon contract extension.

[FRiSCOxBLUNTS]

Peppers or Haynesworth. Not going to happen, though.

[Jerry's kid]

I will take T.J. "Carolina" Houshmanzadeh.

[carolina9er]

If we were to drop a ton of money on a free agent,who would u like it to be...

Matt Cassel Albert Haynesworth
New England Tennessee
Chris Gamble Carolina
t.J Houshmandzadeh
Cincinnati
Brandon Jacobs
Amani Toomer New York Giants
New York Giants

Bertrand Berry
Arizona

Julius Peppers
Carolina

La’Roi Glover
St. Louis


I was trying to list some impact players who could bring instant playmaking abilities for next year....who would u like to see

[Jerry's kid]

had to go back and edit,think i got it now:slap:

No, I kind of like it. It has a nice ring to it. I'm going to call him that from now on.

[carolina9er]

I will take T.J. "Carolina" Houshmanzadeh.

had to go back and edit,think i got it now:slap:

[KingRat]

Suggs :yes:

[Army49rFaithful]

MATT CASSELL. ESPN said that "several GMs expressed interest in him" Anyone know if the niners are one of those?

[Jerry's kid]

Agreed...Suggs. Alot of those guys will be back with their old teams anyway. Suggs, Lewis and Bart Scott are all FA LBs from BAL I'd like to get all three.

[Jerry's kid]

MATT CASSELL. ESPN said that "several GMs expressed interest in him" Anyone know if the niners are one of those?

Don't know I think NE will want him back just in case anything goes wrong with Brady's recovery. Other teams may offer him more but I think NE will make a run at him and hope to get a discount.

[pedro9erfan]

I would only be willing to spend big FA $ on a NT.
I think our needs are:
NT, LT(assuming Staley is a RT), QB, Safety.
Except for the NT, we can get guys through the draft.

Also, I believe Haynesworth plays on a 4 man line. Something to consider. I think the Jets took Jenkins from a 4 man line, and he is starting to make an impact now as NT on a 3 man line. There is still a possibility that there will be a substantial dropoff in performance.

[Acez]

obviously Cassell is gonna be the target of any team seriously looking for a QB

[Jerry's kid]

Strength? We will end this year somewher between 2-14 & 4-12. We have 1 good P, K, MLB & RB. Everyone else on the team is replaceable. We can pick up whoever we want in the Draft and FA and likely improve 20 out of the 22 positions.

Response to Pedro. Post 14.

[carolina9er]

No, I kind of like it. It has a nice ring to it. I'm going to call him that from now on.

cool its easier than saying houseandzadda r something like that

[pedro9erfan]

Agreed...Suggs. Alot of those guys will be back with their old teams anyway. Suggs, Lewis and Bart Scott are all FA LBs from BAL I'd like to get all three.

Between secondary, linebackers, and D-line, linebackers are the strongest. It doesn't make any sense to ignore the line and the secondary to spend money on our strength.

[Jerry's kid]

It makes sense to bring someone in that opposing Offenses will have to worry about killing their QB.

[Jerry's kid]

Although i like suggs,we got enough lbs,but if we could move him up to de,than yes.if we spend some loot on a player,either its cassell or haynesworth.both could make an impact right off,plus cassell is young enough to play for a while and maybe teach a younger qb the ropes,which we haven't had in a while.haynesworth would be a mentor also.

A.J. Feely JR. He looks good in NE with those coaches, that OL & and a scheme he has studied for some time just like feely did in PHI. Then he went to MIA and things went downhill.

[carolina9er]

Between secondary, linebackers, and D-line, linebackers are the strongest. It doesn't make any sense to ignore the line and the secondary to spend money on our strength.

Although i like suggs,we got enough lbs,but if we could move him up to de,than yes.if we spend some loot on a player,either its cassell or haynesworth.both could make an impact right off,plus cassell is young enough to play for a while and maybe teach a younger qb the ropes,which we haven't had in a while.haynesworth would be a mentor also.

[pedro9erfan]

Strength? We will end this year somewher between 2-14 & 4-12. We have 1 good P, K, MLB & RB. Everyone else on the team is replaceable. We can pick up whoever we want in the Draft and FA and likely improve 20 out of the 22 positions.

Response to Pedro. Post 14.

My point was that of the 3 position phases of defense, linebackers are the strongest. Translating a bad W/L record into "we need to replace 20 of 22 positions" is an illustration that you don't understand the effect 1 or 2 players might have. I think if we had a NT and a stud free safety, our D would look vastly different.

Willis, Lawson, and Haralson are very young. They will never be as good as they can be with a less than average D-line. Adding a high dollar LB is as big a waste of money for our team as is conceivable, unless it's a pass rusher. Even that would be foolish as we need interior D-line much more.

[majesstik1]

MATT CASSELL. ESPN said that "several GMs expressed interest in him" Anyone know if the niners are one of those?

I've read that NE is going to franchise him to be safe, in case Brady isn't ready to start next season.

[BAKNAFEK88]

A.J. Feely JR. He looks good in NE with those coaches, that OL & and a scheme he has studied for some time just like feely did in PHI. Then he went to MIA and things went downhill.

Great point. Besides, he can't even connect down field with Randy Moss!!

[majesstik1]

Great point. Besides, he can't even connect down field with Randy Moss!!

Sure didn't against us.

[majesstik1]

That's a lot of money to pay an insurance policy. Franchising a QB means you get paid the average of the top five in the league right? That's gotta be 12 mil+ at least.

They could protect him with the F-Tag and try to renegotiate, or trade him and get some value back from it.

[majesstik1]

Just came across this on rotoworld.com (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=NFL&id=704):

Contract Information for Donovan McNabb

9/13/2002: Signed a 14-year, $115 million contract extension through 2013. The deal included a $13.5 million signing bonus, the proration from which ends in 2009. 2008: $6.3 million, 2009: $9.2 million (Club Option), 2010: $10 million, 2011: $12.07 million, 2012: $14.14 million, 2013: $16.21 million, 2014: Free Agent. Cap charges: $7.46 million (2008), $10.36 million (2009), $10 million (2010), $12.07 million (2011), $14.4 million (2012), $16.21 million (2013).

Philadelphia could save $8m against the cap by releasing or trading McNabb after this season.

McNabb is playing fairly well this year despite having a banged up Westbrook, only 1 legit passing target (Jackson), and an OL playing well below their capability.

I do not advocate us going after him. It will be interesting to see how PHI handles this, and if he lands in his hometown CHI, or elsewhere.

[Sac-King_916]

Man, that FA list looks terrible, IMO. Considering I believe all the players I like will be resigned. Looks like Miami will have to go through the draft once again to upgrade. The only thing I could see us doing is picking up a few veterans to improve our O-Line and secondary, and possibly sign a real FB. I believe we'll be looking to upgrade our LB and WR position though the draft. Too bad Crabtree is out of our sight now.

[BAKNAFEK88]

Sure didn't against us.

That was the only time they connected on any explosive plays despite taking a lot of shots this year. One out of at least ten tries isn't too good.:slap:

[BAKNAFEK88]

They could protect him with the F-Tag and try to renegotiate, or trade him and get some value back from it.

Who in their right mind would give up draft picks for him. You have to be crazy to think they'd franchise Matt Cassell. He isn't even having a good year.:slap:

[majesstik1]

Who in their right mind would give up draft picks for him. You have to be crazy to think they'd franchise Matt Cassell. He isn't even having a good year.:slap:

oh.

[Dannymac]

QB- Kurt Warner, Donovan Mcnabb, Matt Cassel RB- Brandon Jacobs, Dominic rhodes FB- Moran Norris, lorenzo Neal WR-T.J. houshmandzadeh, Nate Washington, Greg Camarillo, Lance Moore DE- Julius Peppers, Bertrand Berry DT- Albert Haynesworth, Rocky Bernard, La' Roi Glover LB- Terrell Suggs, Karlos Dansby, Jonathan Vilma CB- Nnamdi Asomugha S- Brian Dawkins, Darren Sharper, O.J. Otagwe, Atari Bigby. Some of these guys wont be the best for our situation. These are some just some possibilities. What do you think.

[Dannymac]

These were guys i hand picked out of the Draft class.

[caliluv49]

As Knobs said, if you go to the nfl forum, you'll find a sticky with ALL the upcoming free agents listed.

Secondly, you had some odd omisions and inclusions here. Namely, Warner is going anywhere, Rhodes is not at all interesting, you left off some excellent fullbacks, and 3 of your 4 listed safeties are not good options for us, 2 because of age, and Bigby because he's a SS and we won't be shopping for that position.

I hope that u are not saying that Dawkins is too old... I would take that guy even if he is 35... I would even take him if he lost a leg... well maybe just a toe

[Nevyn]

As Knobs said, if you go to the nfl forum, you'll find a sticky with ALL the upcoming free agents listed.

Secondly, you had some odd omisions and inclusions here. Namely, Warner is going anywhere, Rhodes is not at all interesting, you left off some excellent fullbacks, and 3 of your 4 listed safeties are not good options for us, 2 because of age, and Bigby because he's a SS and we won't be shopping for that position.

[caliluv49]

I will start with Haynesworth with a side of Peppers please... then I will have the Suggs and Gross... and finish with the Nnamdi Asomugha with a touch of Dawkins

[majesstik1]

I hope that u are not saying that Dawkins is too old... I would take that guy even if he is 35... I would even take him if he lost a leg... well maybe just a toe

Dawkins is an absolute liability for the Eagles this year. I suspect he's going to hang 'em up after this season.

[49erRevival]

Does anyone think we should try to sign Saturday, Goff, or Gross to try to anchor our O-Line. I was thinking along the lines of signing Gross to maybe a 4-year deal.

[DEEVO_619]

Does anyone think we should try to sign Saturday, Goff, or Gross to try to anchor our O-Line. I was thinking along the lines of signing Gross to maybe a 4-year deal.

We should only go after Gross. Staley and Simms are not producing and bringing in a solid experienced T like Gross would be huge for the o line.

Saturday is most likely to get resigned by Indy. He has been anchoring their O-line for years and has always been pro bowl material. Eric Heitmen has been okay for us thus far and we have a nice back up in Wallace.

Goff is an absolute beast!! I would love to see him in a niner uni, but I dont think its possible San Diego will let him walk since A.J Smith has a tendency to take care of his top players by rewarding them with long term big money contracts. We also have invested some early round draft picks in interior lineman like Rachal and Baas. They are both young and have shown flashes of greatness. It would be foolish to bring in Goff and have Rachal and Baas riding the bench.

[Gof the Gij]

If we go for an interior lineman, I want Jason Brown.

[Nevyn]

Does anyone think we should try to sign Saturday, Goff, or Gross to try to anchor our O-Line. I was thinking along the lines of signing Gross to maybe a 4-year deal.

Saturday sounds cool but I'll be shocked if he leaves the Colts, and he's getting on. I hate signing old free agent linemen. Goff or Brown are very good guards, but they'll get very big free agent deals, and Baas and Rachal are looking cheao (for now) at much more manageable salaries.

Gross is worthy of some consideration, as RT is the closest to a need position. But thats a big investment and to be honest I'd just as soon we have a low key year in free agency. We also dont know what the uncapped year is going to do with free agent negotiations.

[Nevyn]

I dont see why the Ravens would let a guy go that will have had 44 consec starts(@ the end of this yr) since 06...even if they do for us he should be looked @ as a LG...with Heitman ext and the drafting of Wallace I think we should be fine @ C...

Well, what leverage do they have? They'd have to franchise tag him to keep him, and thats not the bargain for guards it was 3 years ago.

[Nevyn]

they dont have any leverage but they can still work out a deal with him(now until FA starts)...hes been playing LG for them and now Grubbs is holding down that spot so maybe they wanted to get a whole yr look @ him playing C(also a diff price tag)...seeing hes doing good there too I think they be crazy to let a guy that good(and verst) just walk...assuming there is now bad blood between Brown and the Ravens FO...

Well, I don't doubt that they'll make a contract offer, but his agent would be nuts to let him sign an extension before he at least tests the market. Nothing says Baltimore won't be the high bidder, but if they were willing to shell out you'd think they'd have done it early in the '07 season when they could have gotten a reasonable deal.

Its very similar to the situation we had with Smiley.

[sfgiantsfanmike]

A few names jumped off the page as good pickups. Sorry if the names have been discussed to death already.

QB- Matt Cassell. I don't know if this guy is the real deal or not, but he's done a good job over there. Might be worth a pick up if he fits whatever our scheme will be.

FB- Lorenzo Neal, Terrel Smith, Dan Kreider. I don't know how good these guys are any more, but they used to be considered good fullbacks, with Lorenzo having a chance at the HOF with his great blocking (how many straight 1,000 yard rushers behind him?). Honestly, I feel we need to get another real full back in here to open up running lanes even though the NFL doesn't seem to value true full backs any more.

OL- Don't know the names specifically, but any of the good ones.

DT- Albert Haynesworth. Probably a pipe dream of him coming to the 49ers, but he'd be awesome at either the 3-4 DE or the 4-3 DT... if we could ever choose one. Honestly, I don't think there are that many true NT's out there, so maybe we should finally transition back to the 4-3 and get the talent for it, starting here.

DE- Julius Peppers. Might be passed his prime, haven't payed him much attention in the last few years. He'd be a great addition if we switched to the 4-3, but we'd need to make the switch to 4-3 AND free up cap space for him. Again, probably a pipe dream.

CB- Nnamdi Asomugha. Oh, definately a pipe dream. Don't see this pick-up happening, but wouldn't it be sweet! Nate Clements is a good corner that Qb's can avoid right now because of Walt Haris and other talent difficentcies, but with Asomugha shutting his side out he'd see plenty of action. Nate would get burned sometimes, but would feel a lot better with the ball thrown towards his side more than Harris side. Oh, it's SO a pipe dream...

[Nevyn]

I agree with the Smiley ref...as for the others I think we disagree...I think good FA hold a higher value with the current team...his agent job is to get his player the best deal poss...who's to say Bal offer before FA won't be the best deal...most thought Sopo would hit the open market but he took our offer instead(he prob left a few mil on the table)...don't forget Briggs last yr thought the open market would be his big pay day...he was wrong to say the least...

As I said before Bal prob wants to see how he handles the C before they commit...they knew he was a good LG but that position is now filled by Grubbs...we know there's a diff in a player playing G and C(see Baas)...I'm sure there is a big diff in pay for a C and G...

Going to free agency does not preclude you from resigning with your old team, it just lets you test your open market value.

Your examples are at other positions. Briggs should have known better than to expect a lot more than he got. He should have learned from Cato June that weakside cover 2 linebackers pile up stats but don't get paid. As for Isaac, I think the niners offered as much as his agent thought he could get on the open market, and put a time limit on it.

Guards have been getting ridiculous contracts (see Smiley, Dockery, Steinbach) in the last couple of years, and with an uncapped year coming (meaning there are more ways for guys like Snyder and Jones to overpay creatively) I think he'll want to see how silly the market gets.

[SBbound49ers]

Henderson sucks. No thanks.

[majesstik1]

hey Maj 2 players I dont see that should be FA and we could def use are D. Henderson(NO) and K. Barnes(Jax)...Henderson has starter exp and would give us a true deep threat to go along with Morgan and J. Hill...on rotoworld it says Barnes wont be a FA until 2010 but he signed a 4 yr deal when he came out in 05...with his past trouble I dont see them resigning him before FA(RT for us)...:unsure:

just throwing some other names out there if I'm wrong let me know...:thumbsup:

According to nflpa.org and rotoworld.com Barnes is signed through 2009. I'm don't see anything that says he can void his final year, which maybe he can.

Henderson is an UFA, I had an error in my notebook.

[SBbound49ers]

yeah we cant use a guy that avg 20+ yrds a catch for his career...not to mention he would be on the cheap side...

"sucks" was probably too harsh but he has a major case of the dropsies and it doesnt hurt his cause that he has one of the best QBs in the league throwing him the ball. On top of that, he has a ton of talent around him. We dont have either and I couldnt imagine catching more than 15 passes. He'd essentially be Ashley Lelie II.

[Nevyn]

I like him more for the slot and giving us someone to respect the deep pass(assuming we can protect and throw it that deep)...Morgan and J. Hill seem to be short to intermediate guys with an rare deep pass...Henederson would be asked to catch about 30 passes which hes doing now in NO...

Bah, Henderson isn't worth it. He has had some hot streaks when he was the receiver being ignored in NO, but he has also had some truly disastrous cases of the drops, and at some crucial times.

Moreover, while they aren't true burners, Hill and Morgan can both burn coverage deep, not to mention the mismatches we get with Walker and Davis. Its time for this team to stop taking stupid gambles on mediocre free agent receivers. Either you go out and get a star (Housh on the off chance he doesn't get tagged), or you continue to develop in house.

[fortyniners]

I like him more for the slot and giving us someone to respect the deep pass(assuming we can protect and throw it that deep)...Morgan and J. Hill seem to be short to intermediate guys with an rare deep pass...Henederson would be asked to catch about 30 passes which hes doing now in NO...

I liked Henderson coming out of college. He's pretty much where he should be as a nice deep threat from the slot. But he's not the most reliable and is really limited in what routes he can run which has disappointed me thus far. Colston and Lance Moore are both guys who came into the league at around the same time, at a much worse draft position or undrafted, and have surpassed him on the depth chart. Really, this would just be a lateral move from Jason Hill who also has good speed and a better endzone threat (at least he was in college).

I'm content having Hill, Morgan, and Battle as the # 3, 4, and 5 WRs. I'd much rather find a legitimate starter.

[SBbound49ers]

Bah, Henderson isn't worth it. He has had some hot streaks when he was the receiver being ignored in NO, but he has also had some truly disastrous cases of the drops, and at some crucial times.

Moreover, while they aren't true burners, Hill and Morgan can both burn coverage deep, not to mention the mismatches we get with Walker and Davis. Its time for this team to stop taking stupid gambles on mediocre free agent receivers. Either you go out and get a star (Housh on the off chance he doesn't get tagged), or you continue to develop in house.

I agree. I like Bruce, but Im done with him after this season and could certainly live without Bryant Johnson who seems to be a 4 catch 50 yard guy, at best.

[NJNiner]

looks like we might be able to throw Mcnabb in that heap as well

[Benji]

Corey Webster (UFA) is missing on that list

[majesstik1]

Corey Webster (UFA) is missing on that list

I guess so. NFLPA had him signed through 2009, but rotoworld lists him as an UFA in 2009.

[Benji]

Chris Gamble is off the market. He has signed a six year extension worth 50 million dollars.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3731819

[alex smith11]

wonder how this effects Peppers and Gross' contract status with Carolina...

I can't see any way they let Peppers go. Could very well leave Gross to hit Free Agency.

[SB49er4life]

Bah, Henderson isn't worth it. He has had some hot streaks when he was the receiver being ignored in NO, but he has also had some truly disastrous cases of the drops, and at some crucial times.

Moreover, while they aren't true burners, Hill and Morgan can both burn coverage deep, not to mention the mismatches we get with Walker and Davis. Its time for this team to stop taking stupid gambles on mediocre free agent receivers. Either you go out and get a star (Housh on the off chance he doesn't get tagged), or you continue to develop in house.

Agreed. I'm sick of stop gap pass rushers and WR's.

But every time there is the slightest flaw in a player, the MB is gonna ***** about, say it's a terrible move, blah, blah, blah.

Think about how much people would ***** if Roy Williams was a FA and fans suggest we go after him.... nevermind the fact that he blows any of our current WR's outta the water.

Unless we can get a star WR like you said, I'd rather work with Hill/Morgan/Zeigler and throw that FA money at Haynesworth or Peppers + a RT.

[o SFGore21 o]

good stuff man

[rygeorge]

I like Bart Scott's attitude-could bring a whole lot of toughness to our team if he hits free agency

when Scott answered the phone, he didn’t waste any time airing his feelings:

“I hate everybody on every other team than mine. I don’t give a [expletive] about anybody on any other team – period. I don’t speak to them during the game. I’m not high-fiving guys. And I’m talking about guys who have been here and left, too. It doesn’t matter. You’re trying to take something away from me that I deem important. Why should I care about you? Why should I like you? You don’t have to like me, and I don’t have to like you.

“Ask me who I’m rooting for in the Super Bowl. If I’m not in it, I hope they cancel the **** thing.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AuizPDlB7A6vv2sG6qppxndDubYF?slug=cr-badblood120408&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[Kenage]

Bart Scott is going to be a free agent?

[Gof the Gij]

I'd love to grab Bart Scott, I always liked him.

[NinersFanatic]

I'd love to grab Bart Scott, I always liked him.

I'd rather just re-sign Spikes. ILB is probably our strongest position.

[Vivek49erFan]

I'd love to grab Bart Scott, I always liked him.

id rather get someone like Terrell Suggs, Spikes we should keep another year for sure.

[Gof the Gij]

Bart Scott can play both ILB and OLB in both 43 and 34, and is very versatile. When Peter Boulware retired, he played mostly outside in 34 and racked up 9.5 sacks as a primary pass rusher.

[SBbound49ers]

id rather get someone like Terrell Suggs, Spikes we should keep another year for sure.

Suggs is overrated. Hes been on a steep decline on a loaded defense that ensures he doesnt see any double teams. No thanks.

Bart Scott can play both ILB and OLB in both 43 and 34, and is very versatile. When Peter Boulware retired, he played mostly outside in 34 and racked up 9.5 sacks as a primary pass rusher.

Scott is a beast and I'd love to nab him.

[SBbound49ers]

Agreed that Suggs has been on the decline, but I disagree about Scott. He's only had 1 real good year. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw another Ed Hartwell on our hands.

Either way i'd really like to take a look at Angelo Crowell. He's 27 and the guy is a darn good play at literally any LB spot. He can play outside or inside. Its a shame the Bills stole this season from him.

Once Adalius left, Scott was asked to do alot more coverage. Still, hes the TED to Ray and has done a nice job for them. However, with Willis and Spikes in the mix, I doubt we pursue him. We'll overpay for another Clements or Smith.

[majesstik1]

Once Adalius left, Scott was asked to do alot more coverage. Still, hes the TED to Ray and has done a nice job for them. However, with Willis and Spikes in the mix, I doubt we pursue him. We'll overpay for another Clements or Smith.

I doubt Scott was take us serious. We're not an attractive place for FAs right now.

[SBbound49ers]

For the right price, Scott would definately consider SF but I think we'll spend elsewhere.

Then again, McCloughan's offseasons have been pretty awful.

[AndyLeeMVP]

I think our FA is going to be quiet for the most part. Maybe a decent pass rusher, backup/starting LB (depends what happens with Brooks/Spikes), and a backup/starting OT (depends if they want to go the draft route or want to sign Gross to a big deal?). I hope we sign a FS this offseason, id love Sean Jones, OJ Atogwe, or Vincent Fuller to come over here.

RE our FAs: I want us to re-sign Rossum for sure. Green for depth. Spikes if he doesnt go overboard with his price demands. Fields for competition. Everyone else can go.

[SBbound49ers]

I think our FA is going to be quiet for the most part. Maybe a decent pass rusher, backup/starting LB (depends what happens with Brooks/Spikes), and a backup/starting OT (depends if they want to go the draft route or want to sign Gross to a big deal?). I hope we sign a FS this offseason, id love Sean Jones, OJ Atogwe, or Vincent Fuller to come over here.

RE our FAs: I want us to re-sign Rossum for sure. Green for depth. Spikes if he doesnt go overboard with his price demands. Fields for competition. Everyone else can go.

Sean Jones is a SS, Atogowe is a huge gambler who's given up a ton of big plays and Fuller has looked good in limited time but hes on a talented defense.

[SBbound49ers]

yeah but if we stuck Sean Jones at FS, he'd still be an upgrade over Roman

Sean Jones and Michael Lewis would be a disaster.

[benton45]

im pretty sure that darren sproles is UFA...it would be prudent to go after someone like him, or j.j. arrington..or derek ward to be a compliment to gore. I see alot of good o-linemen in this class, but fa oline is really expensive...there are definately some good additions for dt too...I think the niners will be very active in free agency this year though

[650Niners]

im pretty sure that darren sproles is UFA...it would be prudent to go after someone like him, or j.j. arrington..or derek ward to be a compliment to gore. I see alot of good o-linemen in this class, but fa oline is really expensive...there are definately some good additions for dt too...I think the niners will be very active in free agency this year though

Sproles would be awesome.

[NinersFanatic]

im pretty sure that darren sproles is UFA...it would be prudent to go after someone like him, or j.j. arrington..or derek ward to be a compliment to gore. I see alot of good o-linemen in this class, but fa oline is really expensive...there are definately some good additions for dt too...I think the niners will be very active in free agency this year though

We need a power back to punch it in the red zone. Sproles is a lot smaller than Gore.

[650Niners]

We need a power back to punch it in the red zone. Sproles is a lot smaller than Gore.

Frank is Earth, Sproles is the Wind. No fire here.

[benton45]

Frank is Earth, Sproles is the Wind. No fire here.

exactly...niners dont need a short yardage back..niners need a west coast offense and someone to take a little load off gore...sproles would be perfect coming out of the backfield, and in the return game...ward would be great...arrington would be good...

[Iceburnztt]

We also need a line or sproles will be dead in 2 weeks

[majesstik1]

We also need a line or sproles will be dead in 2 weeks

Our OL has progressed throughout this year. We still need a RT and a possible replacement/competition for Baas...but we're not as bad as the idea people are still clinging to.

[majesstik1]

- Tausher tore his ACL yesterday, that is going to kill his market value.

- Colombo got extended.

[SB49er4life]

I wouldn't be horribly surprised if Jacobs does hit the open market, to be honest. He's going to demand a big contract (he's been talking about it all season), and he's a major health risk. 2 years in a row now he's missing games and parts of games because of knee injuries. That has to be a concern considering how much weight the guy is carrying.

If the Giants let him go and opted to run a 2 back system with Ward and Bradshaw I can't say I'd be surprised. Hope they don't but you never know.

You guys aren't a SuperBowl team without Brandon Jacobs.

He is hands down the most physically imposing RB in the NFL (sorry Barber), and is truly a physical marvel with his size and speed/agility.

DB's and LB's get rattled and hesitant after he barrels into them a couple times in the open field.

If he could be healthy for a full season, he's a 1,400-1,700 yd RB.

[Benji]

Is this supposed to be a serious thread?

[Benji]

^No

then I don't need to come back.

[SBbound49ers]

You guys aren't a SuperBowl team without Brandon Jacobs.

He is hands down the most physically imposing RB in the NFL (sorry Barber), and is truly a physical marvel with his size and speed/agility.

DB's and LB's get rattled and hesitant after he barrels into them a couple times in the open field.


If he could be healthy for a full season, he's a 1,400-1,700 yd RB.

Barber dances too much for a big fella, Jacobs is strictly a north/south runner and is LETHAL on pitches. No DBs want to get in his way and their athletic lineman are great in space.

[queensbury49er]

Plenty of decent backup QB's there.

[majesstik1]

Anyone think there's any possibility that Antonio Bryant would want to return to SF?? I would think any bad feelings he had towards this team would have left with Nolan and maybe Smith.

Maybe, but TB probably doesn't want to let him go.

[alex smith11]

Can't see Bryant coming back to SF. I would welcome him for sure but i don't think there's much of a chance of that happening at all.

[Gnihsif]

how much money would it take to bring Jordan Gross to the 49ers?

[SBbound49ers]

how much money would it take to bring Jordan Gross to the 49ers?

Guards were getting 40 million, and we gave Justin Smith 45 million. My guess would be 50+ at 7 years or so.

[majesstik1]

how much money would it take to bring Jordan Gross to the 49ers?

Quite a bit, but if we cut loose JJ's fat contract, we won't have a lot of money tied up on the OL, making it more likely that we would go hard after a guy like Gross.

[SING'S BOXERS]

I can has Jason Brown/Jahri Evans/Vernon Carey/Jordan Gross?

who do Brown/Evans/Carey play for? I've heard of Carey but not sure what team he plays for....

[Ace Matherton]

As always a treasure trove of great information!

Thank you sir!

Gimme Olshansky, Sean Jones, Floyd and and Gross please.

[majesstik1]

Another point with Gross is he's from Idaho, played college ball for Utah...he might want to come back west. Perhaps that could help us in our attempt to get him.

[Gof the Gij]

who do Brown/Evans/Carey play for? I've heard of Carey but not sure what team he plays for....

Brown - Baltimore
Evans - New Orleans
Carey - Miami

Brown and Evans are both top ten, if not top five players at their position, but neither gets much love, so could come at a deceptively cheap price.

[SING'S BOXERS]

Brown - Baltimore
Evans - New Orleans
Carey - Miami

Brown and Evans are both top ten, if not top five players at their position, but neither gets much love, so could come at a deceptively cheap price.

that'd be fine with me...

[Ace Matherton]

You guys aren't a SuperBowl team without Brandon Jacobs.

He is hands down the most physically imposing RB in the NFL (sorry Barber), and is truly a physical marvel with his size and speed/agility.

DB's and LB's get rattled and hesitant after he barrels into them a couple times in the open field.

If he could be healthy for a full season, he's a 1,400-1,700 yd RB.

I agree and Jacobs will never be a #1 RB because of his health. They were better running IMO when Bradshaw or Ward start out and Jacobs comes in for the kill a la Barber/Jacobs.

Jacobs is a beast, but he's be better served learning what AP did last year. Sometimes the extra yards is not worth it for you or the team.

[New-Era]

Man, the 2009 FA class is deep. One could build a contender team from the list alone.

[Gnihsif]

Quite a bit, but if we cut loose JJ's fat contract, we won't have a lot of money tied up on the OL, making it more likely that we would go hard after a guy like Gross.

will we save any money by cutting Alex Smith this year?

[pickelweasel]

kerry collins is still playing?

You don't pay much attention to the Titans do you

[New-Era]

kerry collins is still playing?

You don't pay much attention to the Titans do you

Or football for that matter...

[Hobbes2d]

Yes lets blow more money on guys who won't improve the team. Bad teams need to draft and develop players and supplement with FA's later on down the line, not try to rebuild overnight by blowing their free cap space on FA's.

[49ersforlife5x]

My guess is Atogwe and possibly Stacy Andrews will be our main targets. Reason: both are notable free agents on bad teams that will be looking to rebuild and not overspend on their free agents to be....

Did that make sense?

[SBbound49ers]

Keep and eye out tomorrow for Atagowe. Hes very overrated and will probably get burned by our old, slow WRs.

[JRO49]

Keep and eye out tomorrow for Atagowe. Hes very overrated and will probably get burned by our old, slow WRs.

QFT Atogwe is slow, he creates turnovers, but he actually sux in coverage. Very overated. Ask any Rams fan, they will say Atogwe is good, but he screws up a lot.

[MannyLawson_99]

I know it's early but as of now my thoughts on free agency and who I think we should consider and not consider.

QB
I would let Hill and Smith battle it out next year. Since most or all of the top QB's are headed back for at least another year of college I say wait until next year if we want to draft a franchise QB. If we want to draft one late or sign a 3rd stringer to replace JTO than fine but no need to sign a big name FA or draft one early.

RB
Darren Sproles

We need another back to relieve Gore and most good teams these days are running a two back or even three back system. Sproles would be a great compliment to Gore and obviously is a threat on returns too. If he wants too much then I say forget the rest and draft a RB in the mid rounds. RB's are a dime a dozen, we should be able to find a good one. Side note... Anyone think Dallas might have to trade away Choice since they already have Barber and Jones? Choice would be a waste sitting on the pine.

FB
Leonard Weaver - 26 years old, good blocker, should his pass receiving skills against us and can run. He is a little light though at 242 LBs.
Heath Evans - Good blocker, 29 years old and comes from a winning franchise
Lorenzo Neal - Great blocker but is 38 years old. So No...
Tony Richardson - Same as above.. 37 years old


WR
T.J. Houshmandzadeh

I really don't think we NEED any WR's as I am comfortable with who we have. I would think about signing Bryant Johnson to another small 1 year deal. However, Bruce will probably only be around another year so if we where to sign Housh I would be ecstatic. I think Cinci might tag him this year and he will want a big contract.

TE
If we decide to keep Bajema around (not sure why) for blocking reasons I guess it's fine but we have two good TE's and really have no need to draft or sign any of them in free agency.

T
Jordan Gross
Stacy Andrews
Vernon Carey

I would be happy with any one of these guys. I think we finally end the Jennings experiment this year. All these guys are young and would be around for awhile. If we have to move Staley to RT then we do it... whatever works out best for the team. However, tackles are a precious commode in FA so I would be fine with us using our first round pick (around 10) to pick either Andre Smith, Eugene Monroe or Michael Oher. P.S. Hopefully this means Davis doesn't have to block every play!


G
C
I think we have enough depth at Guard and Center. We have Baas, Snyder (with additions of FA/Draft), Heitmann, Wallace, Rachal, Wragge etc all for those 3 spots in the middle. I would say most of our problems came from the RT spot.

DE
Julius Peppers - I know we need QB pressure but I am not willing to break the bank for a 4-3 end. We would be better off spending it on a NT.
Igor Olshansky - Young, played in 3-4, could be DE depth although we have Smith and Ray McDonald/1st round pick Balmer at DE right now so I dont know how much time he would get and if it would justify the contract.
Chris Canty - Same as above
Roderick Green - Resign for depth


DT
Albert Haynesworth - This should be our top interest this year in free agency. Now, I assume the Titans will throw a nice offer at him so would he leave them for us? Hopefully.
Rocky Bernard - Would be a DE in the 3-4 but why would we choose him over Canty or Olshansky when they have played in the 3-4 other than he is a divison rival?

LB
Terrell Suggs - Would be nice to have but I'd take Haynesworth over him. Our LB's aren't the problem right now.
Karlos Dansby - Again, nice to have but he will want big $
Takeo Spikes - He's 32 years old but should have few years left in him. Do we test him out or do we sign his replacement?
Channing Crowder - This could be the replacement.


CB
Nnamdi Asomugha - Too much $$$
Dunta Robinson - Should bring less than Asomugha but we could use an early draft pick and save a lot of money.
Bryant McFadden (R) - What's he restricted at? Could be worth it.
Walt Harris - Do we test to see if he has anything left? I'd prefer not to and sign the 2nd or 3rd guy or draft a CB. We could also let him go and see what Brown can do at #2.

S
Brian Dawkins - 35 years old so I wouldn't sign him at big $
O.J. Atogwe - I think this guy is our answer.

We could also use our first rounder to reach for someone like Moore or Mays but trading down a few spots first would be ideal (mainly in Mays' case)

RS
Chris Carr
Justin Miller

If we can't resign Rossum or get Sproles I say get one of these two guys.

[JRO49]

MY OFFSEASON DREAM...

DRAFT
I was a huge Taylor Mays fan about 15 mins ago, than i realized, we should draft Raji in the first (thanx to MAJ who has re convinced me to liking Raji again) , than a future QB in the 2nd, like Nate Davis, (my personal fave) and then have Reggie Smith move to FS. Then in the 2010 draft select Eric Berry, he has shown me that a S should be productive and actually can be at the same time (NO THANX MAYS). Berry and Smith can play either S position so it doesnt matter, strong or Free.

Berry should come out next year, unless Kiffin convinces him to stay his senior yr for the ****ty Vols. Berry and Smith in the back half of our secondary.

FREE AGENCY
I'm also thinking we sign Jordan Gross plz so our o-line is solidified. Also if we can get Asomugha's *** over here for as much as he wants, he lives on west coast too. That way we could have a secondary of Asomugha and Clements and even Brown/Spencer at nickel with FS Smith and SS Berry. With Raji holding down NT and Balmer and Justin Smith at DE. WE have a **** load of money in cap room this season to get two maybe even 3 stud players. We should sign only two to save money and not become the JETS. So OT Gross and CB Asomugha would be my list (and if not Gross than Stacey Andrews for cheaper).

What do you guys think???

[r0b81]

For those people that wanted Stacy Andrews he tore his ACL during yesterdays game.

[r0b81]

Quite a bit, but if we cut loose JJ's fat contract, we won't have a lot of money tied up on the OL, making it more likely that we would go hard after a guy like Gross.

I think Gross will be resigned by the Panthers they would be crazy to let him go.

[SBbound49ers]

For those people that wanted Stacy Andrews he tore his ACL during yesterdays game.

That should lower his asking price. Hes still young and I wouldnt shy away from him.

I think Gross will be resigned by the Panthers they would be crazy to let him go.

They have to first get Peppers locked up and I believe they have another crucial FA to be, although not as important as Gross.

[49er$4l!fe]

I say we bring Antonio Bryant back. Aside from the off field issues... The guy has some raw talent.

[BAKNAFEK88]

Sign OJ Atogwe and maybe Vernon Carey since Stacy Andrews tore his knee up Sunday.

[r0b81]

I say we bring Antonio Bryant back. Aside from the off field issues... The guy has some raw talent.

I think the bucs will make resigning him a priority.

[JRO49]

For those people that wanted Stacy Andrews he tore his ACL during yesterdays game.

:( Now we should go all out after Gross and Atogwe. That would be a sexy off season. and we have the money, Gross would get paid a ton and Atogwe would get paid good player money, but not pro bowl ridiculous. We could afford it.

Now if Gross gets franchised instead of Peppers, than we should go after ROLB Suggs or NT Haynesworth (i doubt he leaves Tennessee though)

Andrews and Taucher both screwed their knees up with tears...

So its between Gross and Carey, both are really good, Carey is bigger and cheaper, but Gross despite being only 6'4" 308 POUNDS, he is an absolute beast when he plays. Carey is 6'5" 350 pounds.

We need to fix up RT with a verteran, i dont want to have to go through growing pains with a rookie at RT,

NO MORE ROOKIES ON THE O-line PLEASE!!!

[JRO49]

Sign OJ Atogwe and maybe Vernon Carey since Stacy Andrews tore his knee up Sunday.

100% agree, that would be a wonderful free agency and it wouldn't cost us too much compared to a Haynesworth-Suggs type off season. lol I doubt that will happen.

[JRO49]

I think Rocky Bernard would be a good and cheap signing...he avgs 4 sacks a yr from the DT spot...everyone is talking about a PR up the middle well he would bring just that...he would be 30 next yr but DT play @ a high level well into their 30's...he should be half of what Haynesworth would cost(guaranteed $$$) and we still would get the same type of production we need IMO...:sfhelmet:

You mean this Rocky Bernard???

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2007/10/01/2003917639.jpg


Alex Smith killer...

[SBbound49ers]

I think Rocky Bernard would be a good and cheap signing...he avgs 4 sacks a yr from the DT spot...everyone is talking about a PR up the middle well he would bring just that...he would be 30 next yr but DT play @ a high level well into their 30's...he should be half of what Haynesworth would cost(guaranteed $$$) and we still would get the same type of production we need IMO...:sfhelmet:

Bernard hasnt been the same since he signed his last deal. Plus, alot of penetrating 43 DTs struggle in the transition to a 34.

[JRO49]

Bernard hasnt been the same since he signed his last deal. Plus, alot of penetrating 43 DTs struggle in the transition to a 34.

unless they are 335 pounds plus, like Rogers, Kris Jenkins, and Haynesworth.

[SBbound49ers]

unless they are 335 pounds plus, like Rogers, Kris Jenkins, and Haynesworth.

I was thinking guys like Corey Williams and Robaire Smith. Not many 43 DTs have transitioned that well to 34 ends.

[Gof the Gij]

I think Rocky Bernard would be a good and cheap signing...he avgs 4 sacks a yr from the DT spot...everyone is talking about a PR up the middle well he would bring just that...he would be 30 next yr but DT play @ a high level well into their 30's...he should be half of what Haynesworth would cost(guaranteed $$$) and we still would get the same type of production we need IMO...:sfhelmet:

He destroyed our 2007 season. No thanks.

[NinersFanatic]

I know it's off-topic but can anyone tell me how much Adalius Thomas signed with the Pats for?

I think they're definitely paying players money under the table.

[niner4life]

how would you guys like if we tried to go out and sign dunta robinson CB - texans

just wondering. I think he could help our secondary out pretty good.

robinson - harris
clements - brown

[Gnihsif]

delete post

[JRO49]

We should save our money and focus on RT and FS and than if not them than a pass rusher

[NinersFanatic]

When does free agency start?

[9ertotheend]

March 1st if Im not mistaken

[49er831]

great list

[HitMan52]

What do you guys think about James Sanders FS for the Pats. He was splitting time with Meriwhether for a while. Do you guys think he can be a good pickup or will he flop like Eugene Wilson.

[dm77]

Need RB:

Derrick Ward
Maurice Morris
Fred Jackson
LaMont Jordan
Dominic Rhodes
Correll Buckhalter

[HitMan52]

Need RB:

Derrick Ward
Maurice Morris
Fred Jackson
LaMont Jordan
Dominic Rhodes
Correll Buckhalter

isnt Fred Jackson a restricted FA? If not that is a guy who I would love to have behind Frank Gore.

I checked and Jackson is going to be 28 at the start of next year but he is going in to his third season. I would still like to have him but its kind of weird that Gore is a couple of years younger and been in the year twice as long.

[VaSfan4life]

isnt Fred Jackson a restricted FA? If not that is a guy who I would love to have behind Frank Gore.

I checked and Jackson is going to be 28 at the start of next year but he is going in to his third season. I would still like to have him but its kind of weird that Gore is a couple of years younger and been in the year twice as long.

Fast Freddy yeah i'd like to have him also

[majesstik1]

What do you guys think about James Sanders FS for the Pats. He was splitting time with Meriwhether for a while. Do you guys think he can be a good pickup or will he flop like Eugene Wilson.

Sanders is too much like the guys we already have, average/decent, but not a ball hawk or a centerfielder type.

BTW - Wilson had a nice finish to his season as a FS for HOU.

[9ernation94]

R.Lewis next to Willis would be unfair if we somehow got Sugar! It would be sweet to bring in a CB like Daunta Robinson, Chris Gamble. A saftey like Oshiomogho Atogwe or Jermain Phillips and a running back like Darren Sproles!

Draft somebody like Michael Johnson,B.J. Raji,Jason Smith,Eugene Monroe,Phil Loadholt

:pray:

[dhiLL]

Hey Maj told ya Khalif Barnes(Jax) is a FA...:D

He's @ the top of my FA list...he struggled this past yr @ LT cuz he's more suited for RT(they already have a good RT)...obviously he would play RT for us and @ age 26(27 next season) we will have the makings off a good young OL that we can build around...:sfhelmet:

it seems like both sides want to move on...with them picking 8th I'd assume Oher, Monroe, A. Smith or J. Smith would still be on the board for them to grab their future LT...

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_relatednews.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3164

Is he definitely starter quality?

[lostnfound99]

March 1st if Im not mistaken

i thought it said on the home page like end of february.. like the 27th or 28th.

[majesstik1]

Is he definitely starter quality?

Barely.

[Peyton Manning]

That is a mighty fine free agent class

[Nevyn]

I know it's off-topic but can anyone tell me how much Adalius Thomas signed with the Pats for?

I think they're definitely paying players money under the table.

Thomas isnt getting money under the table, its just that his contract doesn't have any back-end "filler" years that will never get paid but make the contract look big.

[_Jerden]

Lions | D. Smith may be released
Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:06:01 -0800

Tom Kowalski, of MLive.com, reports the Detroit Lions may release FS Dwight Smith during the offseason. If he were released, the Lions would save $2.3 million off their salary cap.

[SBbound49ers]

Hes been in mostly cover 2 schemes his entire career, but hes gotta be better than Roman. Definately worth a look.

[majesstik1]

Hes been in mostly cover 2 schemes his entire career, but hes gotta be better than Roman. Definately worth a look.

Smith and Roman are equally awful. I wouldn't even bother with him.

[SBbound49ers]

Smith and Roman are equally awful. I wouldn't even bother with him.

Havent seen a whole of him, but hes going on 4 teams in what, 6 years?

[JRO49]

Atogwe!!! or screw it. Carey looks like he isn't coming back to Miami, they don't think he is worth the money. I think only allowing 2.5 sacks at RT is worth it. Sign him to a 5 or 6 yr deal worth 25 to 30 million.

[NinersFanatic]

Carey looks like he isn't coming back to Miami, they don't think he is worth the money. I think only allowing 2.5 sacks at RT is worth it. Sign him to a 5 or 6 yr deal worth 25 to 30 million.

Their line really isn't that great. That's strange that they're letting him go.

Staley... Baas... Heitmann... Rachal... Carey

Our offensive line for the next 5+ seasons?

[Leeding49er]

Atogwe!!! or screw it. Carey looks like he isn't coming back to Miami, they don't think he is worth the money. I think only allowing 2.5 sacks at RT is worth it. Sign him to a 5 or 6 yr deal worth 25 to 30 million.

Carey is obviously an upgrade at RT, but I guess much will depend on whether the 9ers believe they can get a good RT in the 2nd round of the draft (or switch Staley, which I'm against, if an LT can be sourced).

As for Atogwe, surely he'll be given the franchise tag by the Rams. He was their MVP this season and would be worth top five money for his position. That leaves Bartell free if the 9ers wanted to snag a CB.

[Nelson]

Carey is obviously an upgrade at RT, but I guess much will depend on whether the 9ers believe they can get a good RT in the 2nd round of the draft (or switch Staley, which I'm against, if an LT can be sourced).

As for Atogwe, surely he'll be given the franchise tag by the Rams. He was their MVP this season and would be worth top five money for his position. That leaves Bartell free if the 9ers wanted to snag a CB.

I think tha Atogwe has already said that he wants out of St Louis. I'll try find a link.

I wouldn't mind Stinchcomb from N.O. too. He's been pretty solid the last couple of years at RT.

[WhistlingMtn]

Carey is obviously an upgrade at RT, but I guess much will depend on whether the 9ers believe they can get a good RT in the 2nd round of the draft (or switch Staley, which I'm against, if an LT can be sourced).

I can't imagine that the team wants to spend one of the first 2 picks at RT, especially considering their derth of play-makers on both sides of the ball. And I agree, Staley shouldn't and by all things said by them, won't, be moved. I wouldn't be shocked if even if they don't pick up a starting RT, that they don't take an offensive lineman in the first 3 rounds and just go with Snyder for a year.

As for Atogwe, surely he'll be given the franchise tag by the Rams. He was their MVP this season and would be worth top five money for his position. That leaves Bartell free if the 9ers wanted to snag a CB.

It was certainly surprising that they named him team MVP and wouldn't be surprising if he was franchised. ( I think it'll only be something in the range of 5 million this year, anyone have a number on it? )

I definitely don't see him wearing red and gold next year.

[JRO49]

I can't imagine that the team wants to spend one of the first 2 picks at RT, especially considering their derth of play-makers on both sides of the ball. And I agree, Staley shouldn't and by all things said by them, won't, be moved. I wouldn't be shocked if even if they don't pick up a starting RT, that they don't take an offensive lineman in the first 3 rounds and just go with Snyder for a year.



It was certainly surprising that they named him team MVP and wouldn't be surprising if he was franchised. ( I think it'll only be something in the range of 5 million this year, anyone have a number on it? )

I definitely don't see him wearing red and gold next year.

It will be interesting to see what happens. Atogwe doesn't seem to really want to be a Ram. Bartell wants to be a Ram as long as Jim Haslett stays, which looks unlikely. But we'll see.

Is it really worth franchising a FS??? They need to save some money for other needs like... O-LINE!!!

[WhistlingMtn]

Is it really worth franchising a FS??? They need to save some money for other needs like... O-LINE!!!

It's not that much money.

[bakersfield49er]

The 49ers need Peppers in the worst way :) If we could get Peppers id be happy with our FA

[ninersfan68]

I say we empty the bank on J peppers

[Nevyn]

I say we empty the bank on J peppers

here is a rule of thumb for you. If an all pro player is in the last year of their contract, and dont have a provision in their deal saying they can't be franchise tagged, DONT BOTHER THINKING OF THEM AS A FREE AGENT UNTIL THE TAG DEADLINE PASSES.

[Nevyn]

The problem is he won't sign a contract extension with the Panthers. If they do tag him, it will be for a ton of money and the chance he just sits out the year. Odds are they will tag gross and let Peppers walk. OK, just wishful thinking, LOL.

Im not saying its a lock he gets tagged. Im saying its probable enough that its not worth wasting breath on arguing over signing him until we know we'll have the option.

As for what happens if they tag him, he may sit out camp but no way he sits out the year.

[Bdogg]

here is a rule of thumb for you. If an all pro player is in the last year of their contract, and dont have a provision in their deal saying they can't be franchise tagged, DONT BOTHER THINKING OF THEM AS A FREE AGENT UNTIL THE TAG DEADLINE PASSES.

The problem is he won't sign a contract extension with the Panthers. If they do tag him, it will be for a ton of money and the chance he just sits out the year. Odds are they will tag gross and let Peppers walk. OK, just wishful thinking, LOL.

[Bdogg]

Im not saying its a lock he gets tagged. Im saying its probable enough that its not worth wasting breath on arguing over signing him until we know we'll have the option.

As for what happens if they tag him, he may sit out camp but no way he sits out the year.

I agree. I was just hoping out loud, LOL. As far as arguing about signing the guy if we could, the Niners would have to be out of their darn minds to not want him and any fan who doesn't want him is just crazy.

[NinersFanatic]

The 49ers need Peppers in the worst way :) If we could get Peppers id be happy with our FA

No you wouldn't. We still wouldn't have a tackle, safety, backup HB, or NT. I'd like Peppers but not if it means losing out on solid players that can fill holes on this team.

[NinersFanatic]

He does disapear in long stretches, but hes no where near as overrated as Suggs.

Suggs is a good all around player, just overrated as a pass rusher.

[SBbound49ers]

Peppers has been so incredibly erratic in his play the past few years that I'm not sure you'd really want to throw so much money at him. Even this year when he got 14.5 sacks he'd disappear for games at a time. Sacks aren't everything. Someone will pay though, just don't think you'd be getting everything you hoped for.

He does disapear in long stretches, but hes no where near as overrated as Suggs.

[NinersFanatic]

I agree with this. Having said that, Im not remotely interested in paying him 60 million to be a good pass rusher. Without a pass rush upgrade, we wont win 10 games.

Agreed there.

Is Ed Reed going to be a FA?

[SBbound49ers]

Suggs is a good all around player, just overrated as a pass rusher.

I agree with this. Having said that, Im not remotely interested in paying him 60 million to be a good pass rusher. Without a pass rush upgrade, we wont win 10 games.

[NinersFanatic]

Yeah, after I get married to Eva Mendez.

Cool, when's the marriage?

[SBbound49ers]

Agreed there.

Is Ed Reed going to be a FA?

Yeah, after I get married to Eva Mendez.

[SBbound49ers]

Cool, when's the marriage?

Next time I fall into a deep sleep.

[co2112]

QB
Dan Orlovsky
Donavan McNabb (V)
Ryan Fitzpatrick

RB
Brandon Jacobs
Darren Sproles
Derrick Ward
Maurice Morris

FB
Ahmard Hall

WR
Antonio Bryant
Ben Obomanu (R)
Demetrius Williams (R)

TE
Bo Scaife
Jeb Putzier
Quinn Sypniewski (R)

T
Floyd Womack
Jordan Gross
Tra Thomas
Vernon Carey

G
Chris Kemoeatu
Chris Naeole
Pete Kendall

DE
Bertrand Berry
Igor Olshansky
Julius Peppers
Roderick Green

DT
Albert Haynesworth
Gabe Watson (R)
Rocky Bernard
Shaun Cody
Tank Johnson move to LE

LB
Channing Crowder
Daryl Blackstock
Jon Alston (R)
Karlos Dansby
LeRoy Hill
Michael Boley
Mike Peterson
Napoleon Harris
Takeo Spikes
Terrell Suggs
Tyjuan Haglar

CB
Bryant McFadden (R)
DeAngelo Hall
Dunta Robinson
Nnamdi Asomugha
R.W. McQuarters move to FS
Ricky Manning

S
Atari Bigby (R)
Eugene Wilson
Jermaine Phillips
Sean Jones

RS
Chris Carr
Justin Miller

[9ernation94]

How would you guys feel about brining in R.Bernard to play the nose?

[SBbound49ers]

How would you guys feel about brining in R.Bernard to play the nose?

In a 34 hes a DE all the way. Hes a 1 gap pentrator, Brandon Mebane, his interior buddy in SEA, would be a NT.

[SBbound49ers]

Lawrence Jackson is a 34 OLB. Hes an edge rusher, he'd be a good OLB.

Anytime you have a good NT like Seattle does, a 34 transition is easy. The OLBs can be found, but NTs can be a needle in a haystack.

[SBbound49ers]

that wouldnt work...remember he didnt fit our 34...

JP is a blitzer, not a pass rusher.

[WhistlingMtn]

that wouldnt work...remember he didnt fit our 34...

Of course he fit the 49er 3-4, he just blew out his knee and cost a lot of money the 49ers didn't have at the start of free agency that off-season.

That was a weird off-season though, as the 49ers were one of a handful of teams that would have been under the ACTUAL cap, then they renegotiated the new cap mid-way through free agency ( after he had signed with Seattle ). He could have been resigned.

But it is one of the reasons why the 49ers have been so far under the cap the last few years. It is quite frustrating to see one of the couple of really successful draft picks of the last decade playing on another team though.

[Nevyn]

Of course he fit the 49er 3-4, he just blew out his knee and cost a lot of money the 49ers didn't have at the start of free agency that off-season.

That was a weird off-season though, as the 49ers were one of a handful of teams that would have been under the ACTUAL cap, then they renegotiated the new cap mid-way through free agency ( after he had signed with Seattle ). He could have been resigned.

But it is one of the reasons why the 49ers have been so far under the cap the last few years. It is quite frustrating to see one of the couple of really successful draft picks of the last decade playing on another team though.

It was an achilles injury, not a knee injury.

As for fitting the 3-4, well he is versatile enough that the Seahawks line him up at DE on 3rd and longs. Seattle's 3-4 problems to me have more to do with their d-line.

[WhistlingMtn]

It was an achilles injury, not a knee injury.

As for fitting the 3-4, well he is versatile enough that the Seahawks line him up at DE on 3rd and longs. Seattle's 3-4 problems to me have more to do with their d-line.

Sorry, confused injuries, but the situation was the same. He had a serious injury and was both a little risky on a 100% recovery at all and guaranteed to not be 100% for 2 seasons.

He is a great all around player. Basically everything we want Manny Lawson to be.

[$Ciggy Cent$]

I just watched Terrelle Smith talk on NFL Network. Just by the way he talks I want him on the team!

[dhimiter]

Mcnabbs Contract is not voidable until next year... But would love to have him on the team.

[majesstik1]

Mcnabbs Contract is not voidable until next year... But would love to have him on the team.

According to a story I quoted earlier in this thread (I don't care to go back through and find it) the club has an option on his contract this year.

[AndyLeeMVP]

I wouldnt mind getting some defensive depth in FA like..

-Euguene Wilson, FS (Compete with Reggie Smith)
-Colin Cole/Tank Johnson (NT)
-Pat Thomas (ILB)
-Marques Harris (OLB)

Then we can focus on getting some offensive talent early on like a playmaking WR/RB, RT, or QBOTF.

[johanen]

finding a replacement for Sopo so he can come off the bench would be an even better option.

DL help is what i hope we go after aggessivily :pray:

[AndyLeeMVP]

DL help is what i hope we go after aggessivily :pray:

Igor Olshanky is a FA. If we went for a 3-4 DE in FA he'd be a nice sign.

But considering that we have Justin Smith at RDE and a 1st round pick developing at LDE i doubt we go after him.

[johanen]

Igor Olshanky is a FA. If we went for a 3-4 DE in FA he'd be a nice sign.

But considering that we have Justin Smith at RDE and a 1st round pick developing at LDE i doubt we go after him.

whatever we do i hope its a move that brings some heat for the opposing qb's next season

[ervis]

could anybody please tell me when free agency starts.
thanks

[NinersFanatic]

could anybody please tell me when free agency starts.
thanks

http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showthread.php?t=66127

Feb 27.

[ervis]

http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showthread.php?t=66127

Feb 27.

thx,I appreciate it

[jwallace]

J.J. Arrington and Leonard Weaver will get our running game back to were it was in 2006.

[G4LIFE]

I'd be happy if we got Terrell Suggs and Khalif Barnes and/or Leigh Bodden and Terrell Suggs.

[dhiLL]

J.J. Arrington and Leonard Weaver will get our running game back to were it was in 2006.

JJ Arrington? He has 650 career yards.

[johanen]

is there a chance we could get albert hansworth? or what about the dude wilford from the pats?

[Benji]

you need to add Drayton Florence, Leigh Bodden and Jerry Porter

[NJfaithful78]

almost time to add Plax.....although he technically just signed a deal and may go to prison....... :(

[ozzcows]

We better keep spikes another year.

[Zhero06]

Here's something about Khalif Barnes. Makes him sound even better to me as a pick-up to be our starting RT for years to come.

Khalif Barnes (http://rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&line=139174&id=3164)

[majesstik1]

he's the #1 FA I want for us...he proved last yr he's not a LT so he should come @ a RT price...:sfhelmet:

I'm really starting to like the idea of signing him too. If I ever get time to update my blueprint, he'll be in there.

[Max_Power]

You should update it with all of the recent cuts like McCallister, Taylor, Furry and various others.

[SBbound49ers]

you need to add Drayton Florence, Leigh Bodden and Jerry Porter

Jerry Porter? :laugh: Hes a piece.

[majesstik1]

You should update it with all of the recent cuts like McCallister, Taylor, Furry and various others.

If I ever have the time. :drive:

[SBbound49ers]

alright I'm probably gonna get grilled for this, but:


I think Cedric Benson might not be a bad pick-up as a #2 RB.

- You know the talent is there
- He'll be cheap since he's now labeled as a "bust"
- He's somewhat fresh, only 634 career rushes
- and he's coming off of his best season, 747 yards in 12 games behind a crappy Cincy OL

:grill:

[J_Nelson71]

lets get TJ so teams will quit putting 8 in the box for gore.