maj's mock 2009 (to be revised often)

[majesstik1]

Last update...04/25/2009...Top 75 Picks

01. Detroit - Matthew Stafford, QB, UGA
02. St. Louis - Jason Smith, OT, Bay
03. Kansas City - Eugene Monroe, OT, UVA *Could be WAS and Sanchez here.
04. Seattle - Michael Crabtree, WR, TT
05. Cleveland - B.J. Raji, DT, BC
06. Cincinnati - Andre Smith, OT, bama
07. Oakland - Darius Heyward-Bey, WR, Mary
08. Jacksonville - Mark Sanchez, QB, USC *Could be traded to the Jets
09. Green Bay - Aaron Curry, LB, Wake
10. San Francisco - Brian Orakpo, DE, Tex *Could be us trading down so someone can get Oher or Jackson
11. Buffalo - Michael Oher, OT, Miss
12. Denver - Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU
13. Washington - Robert Ayers, DE, Tenn *Could be KC or WAS's pick with Ayers
14. New Orleans - Malcolm Jenkins, DB, OSU
15. Houston - Jeremy Maclin, WR, Zou
16. San Diego - Knowshon Moreno, RB, UGA
17. New York Jets - Percy Harvin, WR, UF
18. Denver - Beanie Wells, RB, OSU
19. Tampa Bay - Josh Freeman, QB, KSU
20. Detroit - Brandon Pettigrew, TE, OkSt
21. Philadelphia - Vontae Davis, CB, Ill
22. Minnesota - Darius Butler, CB, UConn
23. New England - Aaron Maybin, DE, PSU
24. Atlanta - Peria Jerry, DT, Miss
25. Miami - Clint Sintim, OLB, UVA
26. Baltimore - Larry English, PRS, NIU
27. Indianapolis - Brian Cushing, LB, USC
28. Buffalo - Everette Brown, DE, FSU
29. New York Giants - Brian Robiskie, WR, OSU
30. Tennessee - Rey Maualuga, ILB, USC
31. Arizona - Donald Brown, RB, UConn
32. Pittsburgh - Will Beatty, OT, UConn
33. Detroit - James Laurenaitis, LB, OSU
34. New England - Connor Barwin, Ath, Cinc
35. St. Louis - Hakeem Nicks, WR, UNC
36. Cleveland - Kenny Britt, WR, Rutg
37. Seattle - Clay Matthews, OLB, USC
38. Cincinnati - Michael Johnson, DE, GT
39. Jacksonville - Ziggy Hood, DT, Zou
40. Oakland - Eben Britton, OT, Arz
41. Green Bay - Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake
42. Buffalo - Alex Mack, C/G, Cal
43. San Francisco - Max Unger, OL, Ore
44. Miami - Shawn Nelson, TE, S. Miss
45. New York Giants - Marcus Freeman, LB, OSU
46. Houston - William Moore, S, Zou
47. New England - Eric Wood, C/G, UL
48. Denver - Ron Brace, DT, BC
49. Chicago - Louis Delmas, SS, WMU
50. Cleveland - LeSean McCoy, RB, Pitt
51. Dallas - Patrick Chung, S, Ore
52. New York Jets - Kraig Urbik, G/T, Wisc
53. Philadelphia - Jared Cook, TE, SCAR
54. Minnesota - Sean Smith, CB/S, Utah
55. Atlanta - Macho Harris, CB/S/RS, VT
56. Miami - Asher Allen, CB/S, UGA
57. Baltimore - Antoine Caldwell, C/G, bama
58. New England - Pat White, Ath, UWV
59. Carolina - Mike Mickens, CB, Cinc
60. New York Giants - Herman Johnson, G/T, LSU
61. Indianapolis - Nate Davis, QB, Ball St
62. Tennessee - Lawrence Sidbury, DE/LB, Rich
63. Arizona - Paul Kruger, DE/LB, Utah
64. Pittsburgh - Fili Moala, DT/DE, USC
65. Detroit - Tyronne, Green, OG, Aub
66. St. Louis - Shonn Greene, RB, Iowa
67. Kansas City - Jarron Gilbert, Sr, SJSU
68. Seattle - Fenuki Tupou, T/G, Ore
69. Dallas - Duke Robinson, G, OU
70. Cincinnati - Andre Brown, RB, NCSt
71. Oakland - Sen'Derrick Marks, DT/DE, AU
72. Jacksonville - Louis Murphy, WR, UF
73. Green Bay - Jamon Meredith, T/G, SCAR
74. San Francisco - Jasper Brinkley, ILB, SCAR
75. Buffalo - Cornelius Ingram, TE/WR, UF

[Leeding49er]

Can't really argue with too much, but do you really think Kansas will pick Davis that high when Thigpen looks as though he might be the real deal and they still have serious defensive deficiencies? Might they instead go for Orakpo or drop down to get a linebacker like Curry?

[WhistlingMtn]

Looks pretty reasonable. I hope the 49ers will do their best to trade down if they're going to take Raji though.

And it appears Nate Davis is this year's Quentin Groves for you, no way he goes that high! =o)

[bigPaco80]

so your up to taking another DT even though we have 1 that was drafted in the 1st round that doesn't play, I believe we will fill this position in free angency, we need to take a go to true #1 reciever like crabtree with our 1st round pick not another DT

[roleplay3r1]

C'mon Maj, Davis in the conversation for #1 overall? The whole Alex Smith precedent shouldn't be looked at as a precedent, even though Davis is 10 times the prospect Alex was.

And I really just can't see Maualuga playing inside in any scheme other than a 3-4.

[Texicali blue]

Tell me honestly, weren't you tempted to put Crabtree #1 to Detroit just for posterity's sake?

I like how you add explanations for your picks, too. Good work, I might disagree with a few picks(real shocker would be if anyone didn't, right?) but like how you explain your reasoning.

well done. keep it updated, it will be fun to watch the changes.

[beasley for pres]

good read, this is going to be real sad to say, but I think you're valuing players a little too much on their college production than, how I feel anyway, their actual draft stock.

[Kenage]

Maj - like the list but where could Colt McCoy be if he opts to come out? Would he be the first QB taken ahead of Stafford?

[Willis-052]

What round do you Think Loadholt will be taken?

[Nelson]

Good job as usual Maj but the only thing I would change is the Saints Bears picks cause I think the Saints take Taylor Mays first as they need a safety big time!

[SB49er4life]

Don't agree with all the picks, but who is going to agree with ALL of someone else's mock ?

Good read though, and well put together.

As much as B.J. Raji makes sense, I have a hard time seeing us pass up on a dominant pass rusher after this years defensive debacle.

I also don't see S.D. taking Jenkins over Rey Maualuga or Taylor Mays.

And also.... no Knoshon Moreno or Brian Cushing in the 1st rd ??

[majesstik1]

good read, this is going to be real sad to say, but I think you're valuing players a little too much on their college production than, how I feel anyway, their actual draft stock.

My formula is: Talent + Production = Draft Stock

If a player shows ability on the field, and has the results to match, what else is there? I've never been one to fall for "hype", and neither do most NFL FOs.

I don't know if I even quite understand what you're saying.

Maj - like the list but where could Colt McCoy be if he opts to come out? Would he be the first QB taken ahead of Stafford?

He's a 2nd rounder IMO, and about the 5th or 6th best QB prospect.

What round do you Think Loadholt will be taken?

3rd round.

As much as B.J. Raji makes sense, I have a hard time seeing us pass up on a dominant pass rusher after this years defensive debacle.

I also don't see S.D. taking Jenkins over Rey Maualuga or Taylor Mays.

And also.... no Knoshon Moreno or Brian Cushing in the 1st rd ??

Raji grades out higher than the pass rushers on the board there for me, and he still fits an urgent need for us.

Jenkins is a way better prospect than either of those guys, but both of the guys you mention make sense. Perhaps SD will trade down, or play their way down the board to be in a better position for those two to make sense for their pick.

I explained why Moreno is absent at the end. Cushing is not a lock for the 1st round IMO. He could go, he's just not a lock for it.

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RE: Nate Davis

I thought I explained why he could go to KC pretty well. He is talented enough to go that high, especially in a baron QB market. I remember having these discussions about Matt Ryan early on last year. So let's just wait and see ;)

[beasley for pres]

My formula is: Talent + Production = Draft Stock

If a player shows ability on the field, and has the results to match, what else is there? I've never been one to fall for "hype", and neither do most NFL FOs.

I don't know if I even quite understand what you're saying.


I agree with you on the production and whatnot, but like I think #5 is way too high for Davis. I love everything I've seen from him, but I dunno, there's just that Groves/Pat Sims factor. The talent is there and there's no lying it, but it's just one of those things I see happening.

What I'm saying doesn't make sense, because these things just don't make sense.

Which doesn't make sense.

[majesstik1]

I agree with you on the production and whatnot, but like I think #5 is way too high for Davis. I love everything I've seen from him, but I dunno, there's just that Groves/Pat Sims factor. The talent is there and there's no lying it, but it's just one of those things I see happening.

What I'm saying doesn't make sense, because these things just don't make sense.

Which doesn't make sense.

Groves had 1st round talent, his character concerned got him omitted from some NFL boards, which caused him to drop. AU didn't exactly give him a ringing endorsement either, saying he was "goofy" or something like that.

Sims came out too early. He had late 1st/early 2nd potential. He still went 77th.

If I were evaluating QBs strictly off production, then you'd see Bradford, McCoy, Daniel all up high. Davis has the "it" factor that none of the other QBs in this draft have. His talent will get him drafted high, his production is just a bonus. He has 2.5+ years of starting experience, NFL size, NFL talent, and NFL intangibles. He is not another Alex Smith, like someone said earlier. That was a horrible reference to use, and not even close to accurate.

I should probably stop arguing for him for a while, and let everyone else catch up. We'll see how high he goes once the hypometer kicks in :)

[Trap_Star]

all i want for christmas is Everette Brown to be a Texan.

we need help all over the D. i definately want us to take the BPA on defense.

[SB49er4life]

Raji grades out higher than the pass rushers on the board there for me, and he still fits an urgent need for us.

Jenkins is a way better prospect than either of those guys, but both of the guys you mention make sense. Perhaps SD will trade down, or play their way down the board to be in a better position for those two to make sense for their pick.

I explained why Moreno is absent at the end. Cushing is not a lock for the 1st round IMO. He could go, he's just not a lock for it.

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RE: Nate Davis

I thought I explained why he could go to KC pretty well. He is talented enough to go that high, especially in a baron QB market. I remember having these discussions about Matt Ryan early on last year. So let's just wait and see ;)

As a USC fan, I tend to think that Cushing is overrated as well... but I just don't see the entire NFL passing on him in the 1st round.

I don't know much about Nate Davis, so I'm not in position to say if he is that good or not.

As far as Raji, I wouldn't complain and it does fit an urgent need... but I wonder how the FO would interpret that considering they used a 1st rd pick on Balmer last year and they are working on developing him.

[offtackle24]

very well thought out and love the explanations.

One question: wouldnt Tennessee focus on getting a wr in the first round? I know wrs didnt get drafted high last year but the titans have very few holes and a playmaker in the recieving corps is one of them.

[Trap_Star]

Groves had 1st round talent, his character concerned got him omitted from some NFL boards, which caused him to drop. AU didn't exactly give him a ringing endorsement either, saying he was "goofy" or something like that.

Sims came out too early. He had late 1st/early 2nd potential. He still went 77th.

If I were evaluating QBs strictly off production, then you'd see Bradford, McCoy, Daniel all up high. Davis has the "it" factor that none of the other QBs in this draft have. His talent will get him drafted high, his production is just a bonus. He has 2.5+ years of starting experience, NFL size, NFL talent, and NFL intangibles. He is not another Alex Smith, like someone said earlier. That was a horrible reference to use, and not even close to accurate.

I should probably stop arguing for him for a while, and let everyone else catch up. We'll see how high he goes once the hypometer kicks in :)

that's how it is every year...last year everyone was knocking on Matt Ryan cause all they saw was the 18 INTs and i bet they never saw one BC game. im high on Nate as well. as you said, he has the "it" factor combined with all the tools. the guy just puts the team on his back and refuses to lose a game.

[majesstik1]

One question: wouldnt Tennessee focus on getting a wr in the first round? I know wrs didnt get drafted high last year but the titans have very few holes and a playmaker in the recieving corps is one of them.

That was explained on their pick, and listed in other possibilities.

I don't see any of the WRs there being a better prospect than Hardy for them.

[Nelson]

I'm liking the look of this draft and the way its shaping up. I think at the point that we pick in the 1st round (probably around the 10th spot) they'll be somebody there that is going to come into this team and make an immediate impact. There's hopefully going to be plenty of OT's DE's orDT's to choose from.

I just hope the FO dont screw it up this time and draft someone to develope instead of someone that can come in and make an impact straight away!

Please god let it be Everette Brown :pray:

[WhistlingMtn]

I'm liking the look of this draft and the way its shaping up. I think at the point that we pick in the 1st round (probably around the 10th spot) they'll be somebody there that is going to come into this team and make an immediate impact. There's hopefully going to be plenty of OT's DE's orDT's to choose from.

I just hope the FO dont screw it up this time and draft someone to develope instead of someone that can come in and make an impact straight away!

Please god let it be Everette Brown :pray:

Strangely I feel the opposite. This year was a do or die year, I expected and was going to be fine with them taking the best Day One players, and they went and took 4 projects. This coming draft I think they need to take the best player for 2010+, I hope they don't all of a sudden decide that 2009 is the all important year for the turn around, especially at the NT and QB positions.

that's how it is every year...last year everyone was knocking on Matt Ryan cause all they saw was the 18 INTs and i bet they never saw one BC game. im high on Nate as well. as you said, he has the "it" factor combined with all the tools. the guy just puts the team on his back and refuses to lose a game.

Wasn't Ryan a consensus top 5 pick last year? I mean people may have differed on whether they actually thought he will pan out, but I don't know that you could find many people without him going in the top 5.

Don't get me wrong, most of the people on this board, including me, are high on Davis. I just haven't seen any ( let alone enough to devise a pattern ) scouts call Davis a top 15 pick. When the question of whether Davis will be the first QB off the board comes up, it's more stating the fact that all the best QBs are juniors and we don't know who are coming out. ( Though at this point Davis and Freeman are definitely coming out, and Stafford is likely ).

I know Maj dislikes Bradford at the moment, but he and Stafford seem to be the top 10 QBs in the draft should they come out. And I hope they do as it will allow Davis and other prospects to drop.

IMO, Stafford 1-5, Bradford 1-10, Davis/Freeman/Sanchez 15-45.

While Davis will be hyped by some, I don't know how Davis could have a hype machine that outshines any of those other four guys.

The biggest hype machine will probably be around Michael Johnson, he'll have some crazy combine workout and go much higher than he should, or how people have him ranked currently due to lack of production this year. He is a freak.

[SB49er4life]

C'mon Maj, Davis in the conversation for #1 overall? The whole Alex Smith precedent shouldn't be looked at as a precedent, even though Davis is 10 times the prospect Alex was.

And I really just can't see Maualuga playing inside in any scheme other than a 3-4.

Why ?

He can cover ground better than any ILB in this years draft class (est 4.5 forty) and he's good in coverage.

[Texicali blue]

If I were evaluating QBs strictly off production, then you'd see Bradford, McCoy, Daniel all up high. Davis has the "it" factor that none of the other QBs in this draft have. His talent will get him drafted high, his production is just a bonus. He has 2.5+ years of starting experience, NFL size, NFL talent, and NFL intangibles. He is not another Alex Smith, like someone said earlier. That was a horrible reference to use, and not even close to accurate.

I should probably stop arguing for him for a while, and let everyone else catch up. We'll see how high he goes once the hypometer kicks in :)

What I like about Davis is 2-fold.

1.)Leadership--one of those intangibles, you're right he's got "it."

2.)real NFL arm strength--this guys got some zip on the ball, to go along with his touch.

[beasley for pres]

Groves had 1st round talent, his character concerned got him omitted from some NFL boards, which caused him to drop. AU didn't exactly give him a ringing endorsement either, saying he was "goofy" or something like that.

Sims came out too early. He had late 1st/early 2nd potential. He still went 77th.

If I were evaluating QBs strictly off production, then you'd see Bradford, McCoy, Daniel all up high. Davis has the "it" factor that none of the other QBs in this draft have. His talent will get him drafted high, his production is just a bonus. He has 2.5+ years of starting experience, NFL size, NFL talent, and NFL intangibles. He is not another Alex Smith, like someone said earlier. That was a horrible reference to use, and not even close to accurate.

I should probably stop arguing for him for a while, and let everyone else catch up. We'll see how high he goes once the hypometer kicks in :)

Hahah my argument really has no basis off of pure feeling. I think Davis will be the best QB in this draft class, but for some reason I don't see him top 10.

[Benji]

New Orleans won't pass up on Taylor Mays IMO as stated before by someone

[Max_Power]

A few names I have that you didn't include SenDerrick Marks, William Moore and Ciron Black.

What are your thoughts on those guys?

[Benji]

A few names I have that you didn't include SenDerrick Marks, William Moore and Ciron Black.

What are your thoughts on those guys?

how can you still sport an Matt Cassel avatar?? :nonono:

[Max_Power]

how can you still sport an Matt Cassel avatar?? :nonono:

The question mark next to his name has remained since day one.

[Max_Power]

Brown + Mario = would be scary



I don't see how they could pass on Aaron Curry - who is the better player and probably even fills a bigger need.

I agree that Aaron Curry is a much better prospect, but have you seen the Saints secondary for the past half of a decade? Awful and only getting worse, before it's getting better. Granted, they may have found a starter in Tracy Porter, but both safety positions for them are terrible.

[Ace Matherton]

My formula is: Talent + Production = Draft Stock

If a player shows ability on the field, and has the results to match, what else is there? I've never been one to fall for "hype", and neither do most NFL FOs.


Year after year the "rankings" that come out directly after the season rank out more accurate than those that come out after all the Combine crap.

A case can be made for talent and production being far better predictors of NFL success than "athlete" numbers from the combine.

[majesstik1]

Houston biggest need is their secondary...they will prob resign D-Rob(or make a run @ N. Asomugha if poss) but the other CB spot as well as both S spot need playmakers...

Fred Bennett had a great rookie season, but fell into a sophomore slump this year. they may be okay with Robinson and Bennett next year, but it will still need to be addressed. Safety seems to be the bigger need in their backfoeld though.

[majesstik1]

San Diego I think goes with D-line or pass rusher. Don't really see secondary they have Weddle and Hart locked in for a while.

I think SD will be targeting Raji. I don't think he'll make it to them though. At the spot they're currently in, Jenkins trumps need. He's the best player on the board, and the last of the first tier there. Not so sure how they feel about pass rusher if Merriman comes back next year healthy, and they have Phillips and recently extended Tucker. MLB, S, DL, and OL are their biggest needs as far as I can tell. Jenkins gives them a legit centerfielder.

[r0b81]

Fred Bennett had a great rookie season, but fell into a sophomore slump this year. they may be okay with Robinson and Bennett next year, but it will still need to be addressed. Safety seems to be the bigger need in their backfoeld though.

San Diego I think goes with D-line or pass rusher. Don't really see secondary they have Weddle and Hart locked in for a while.

[r0b81]

I think SD will be targeting Raji. I don't think he'll make it to them though. At the spot they're currently in, Jenkins trumps need. He's the best player on the board, and the last of the first tier there. Not so sure how they feel about pass rusher if Merriman comes back next year healthy, and they have Phillips and recently extended Tucker. MLB, S, DL, and OL are their biggest needs as far as I can tell. Jenkins gives them a legit centerfielder.

Agreed, they could use a guy like that. I think they may be after Raji they need to find a replacement for Williams eventually. and Igor I think is a FA this year.

[Trap_Star]

Fred Bennett had a great rookie season, but fell into a sophomore slump this year. they may be okay with Robinson and Bennett next year, but it will still need to be addressed. Safety seems to be the bigger need in their backfoeld though.

yep. and we've yet to really get to see Molden in there. he's been a special teamer all year. petey needs to go and reeves can even make a play for the ball if his life depended on it. as for safety, we need a TRUE FS with range, we have plenty of SS's. i just hope we go for a pass rusher in the first. the d-line has been mario...and a whole bunch of other guys. Okoye is also going through a sophmore slump, travis johnson...well, he's travis johnson. weaver needs to go. he produces no pass rush and has been disappointing stopping the run which happens to be his strong point. as for LB's, its sucks that Diles went down cause he was improving week after week. adibi is a rook and thus makes rookie mistakes. greenwood being benched is a sign that he is as good as gone IMO. he has no instincts, takes bad angles and looks uber slow out there. we have a lot of young guys but they need to step their games up.

[49ersz]

Nate Davis is my #1 QB prospect I think he is one of the next best things at QB. Also I do not see the Chiefs taking a QB whether it is Davis, Stafford or any other top prospect.

[majesstik1]

petey needs to go

I've always wondered how he got that nickname. What's the story on that?

[Trap_Star]

I've always wondered how he got that nickname. What's the story on that?

petey came from the dog on "the little rascals". when he was a kid he had a ring around his eye like the dog on the show, so his grandmother started calling him petey and it stuck.

[49ersforlife5x]

ummm. I see some stuff on there that looks good, but there's one that I can't agree with no matter what. There is no way in hell the Chargers would pass up on Maualuga. They've spent way too many high picks on secondary already. Quentin Jammer, Sammy Davis, Antonio Cromartie, Eric Weddle, Antoine Cason...
Malcolm Jenkins is just not going to go to San Diego.

They get Merriman back, Shaun Phillips...Combine those 2 with Maualuga...Their defense will be stout. The only other thing I could see them doing would be Tyson Jackson,to replace the probably departed Olshansky, but they won't take him that high.

[r0b81]

ummm. I see some stuff on there that looks good, but there's one that I can't agree with no matter what. There is no way in hell the Chargers would pass up on Maualuga. They've spent way too many high picks on secondary already. Quentin Jammer, Sammy Davis, Antonio Cromartie, Eric Weddle, Antoine Cason...
Malcolm Jenkins is just not going to go to San Diego.

They get Merriman back, Shaun Phillips...Combine those 2 with Maualuga...Their defense will be stout. The only other thing I could see them doing would be Tyson Jackson,to replace the probably departed Olshansky, but they won't take him that high.

A buddy of mine is with the Chargers org and says they he wouldn't be surprised if they made some moves to try and land Raji. I guess they are really looking for Williams to groom his replacement.

[Leeding49er]

ummm. I see some stuff on there that looks good, but there's one that I can't agree with no matter what. There is no way in hell the Chargers would pass up on Maualuga. They've spent way too many high picks on secondary already. Quentin Jammer, Sammy Davis, Antonio Cromartie, Eric Weddle, Antoine Cason...


Quentin looked great the other night *cough*.

[Max_Power]

Alright, so Davis could end up being the best QB in this draft...buttt, being drafted that high seems impossible to me right now.

I've looked at 10 or so draft sites that don't even have his name listed...anywhere! Let alone in the top 32 or 1st round. Could you explain this to me why not one draft site even mentions his name even when names like Tebow and McCoy and Bradford are on there and they might not even declare.

[9ernation94]

Good work

Can tell you put allot of time and effort into this and that my friend deserves some major rep :laugh:

[majesstik1]

Alright, so Davis could end up being the best QB in this draft...buttt, being drafted that high seems impossible to me right now.

I've looked at 10 or so draft sites that don't even have his name listed...anywhere! Let alone in the top 32 or 1st round. Could you explain this to me why not one draft site even mentions his name even when names like Tebow and McCoy and Bradford are on there and they might not even declare.

I honestly could care less what draft sites say right now. If they're listing McCoy and Tebow in the first round, that should be your first hint that they don't have a clue.

I will stand by Davis going 1st round, and most likely top 15. If you watch him play, it's obvious he's the most NFL-talented QB in college right now. I've explained it several times in the past: he's that good. "Other sites" have some catching up to do.

[Max_Power]

I honestly could care less what draft sites say right now. If they're listing McCoy and Tebow in the first round, that should be your first hint that they don't have a clue.

I will stand by Davis going 1st round, and most likely top 15. If you watch him play, it's obvious he's the most NFL-talented QB in college right now. I've explained it several times in the past: he's that good. "Other sites" have some catching up to do.

Alright, sounds fair enough.

I had a question earlier in this thread that I'll come back to:
A few names I have that you didn't include SenDerrick Marks, William Moore and Ciron Black.

What are your thoughts on those guys?

[majesstik1]

Alright, sounds fair enough.

I had a question earlier in this thread that I'll come back to:
A few names I have that you didn't include SenDerrick Marks, William Moore and Ciron Black.

What are your thoughts on those guys?

I mentioned Marks and Moore in the "other possibilities" on a few picks.

Marks: obviously I like him a lot since he plays for my team. He will be a good 3-Tech in the NFL. He's got good strength and athleticism, and plays a lot on the offenses side of the LOS. He's among the top 5 or so DTs in the draft, and among the top 40 prospects overall.

Moore: I really liked him once I started paying attention to him last year. Ball hawk, pretty good in run support, good athlete who can cover a lot of field. This year he got hurt, and never seemed right all year. He is still one fo the top 3 or 4 FS prospects, but may not be a good centerfielder in the NFL if he plays like he did this year at the next level. He'll fit on a C2 team where he's not the only safety dropping back. I could see PHI maybe being interested in him with their second pick in round 1.

Black: he hasn't been impressive from what I saw this year (I do have a lot of LSU still to watch though), and falls into the 2nd tier of OT prospects for me. He'll probably get drafted early to mid 2nd round, would be my guess.

[49ersforlife5x]

I honestly could care less what draft sites say right now. If they're listing McCoy and Tebow in the first round, that should be your first hint that they don't have a clue.

I will stand by Davis going 1st round, and most likely top 15. If you watch him play, it's obvious he's the most NFL-talented QB in college right now. I've explained it several times in the past: he's that good. "Other sites" have some catching up to do.

Dude, I gotta say it; if Nate Davis gets selected, in the same draft, higher than McCoy, I will laugh my holy balls off. I couldn't handle it. That might be the stupidest thing I have ever or will ever see.

I, digress, though. I don't think McCoy Declares. I think he, Bradford and Jevan Snead will headline next years draft.

[majesstik1]

Dude, I gotta say it; if Nate Davis gets selected, in the same draft, higher than McCoy, I will laugh my holy balls off. I couldn't handle it. That might be the stupidest thing I have ever or will ever see.

I, digress, though. I don't think McCoy Declares. I think he, Bradford and Jevan Snead will headline next years draft.

Get your popcorn ready.

[Kenage]

Why would Bradford not come out in this draft?

[majesstik1]

Why would Bradford not come out in this draft?

He's only a RS-Soph. He's not a 1st round prospect. He's not even top 5 at his position. He has no incentive to leave a good situation to go to the NFL this year.

[Kenage]

That makes sense. Would McCoy be around the same level as Eric Ainge last year Maj?

[Sac-King_916]

Very nice mock, Maj!

[majesstik1]

That makes sense. Would McCoy be around the same level as Eric Ainge last year Maj?

I don't see a comparison between the two players. Ainge is a pocket passer with an average arm. McCoy is more athletic, and has a bit better of an arm than Ainge.

McCoy is a 2nd rounder for me.

[r0b81]

I wish every Mock Draft on the internet was accurate - cause then we could just pile up a bunch of 2nd rounders and grab BJ Raji, Nate Davis and Everette Brown.

and nfldraftscout has Nate Davis as a 1st/2nd Rounder

hey maj what are your thought on USC's Fili Moala? It seems like he's been playing really well. Do you think he's a guy who could be moving up?

Do you think Moala would be best suited for a Cover 2 team?

[NateClements]

Nate Davis going #5 overall - that's down right laughable. :headhurts:

[majesstik1]

Nate Davis going #5 overall - that's down right laughable. :headhurts:

Not as funny as your prospect rankings :laugh:

[NateClements]

Not as funny as your prospect rankings :laugh:

Yeah because you DEFINITELY know which college players are going to turn into the best pros, already. That's why you're an NFL scout.

DURRRR :shoot:

[majesstik1]

Yeah because you DEFINITELY know which college players are going to turn into the best pros, already. That's why you're an NFL scout.

DURRRR :shoot:

Witty comeback.

I'm doing fine in my chosen profession. I didn't choose to pursue being an NFL scout, just do it as a hobby...sort of like you. My guess is as good as yours, I just have more confidence in mine :)

[WhistlingMtn]

getting heated in here.

[majesstik1]

getting heated in here.

nt rly

...I keep it cool. :)

[beasley for pres]

nt rly

...I keep it cool. :)


Yeah, OK, you don't know that Curtis Painter is better than Nate Davis?!?!?!?! For Reals Maj.:drive:

[NateClements]

You're a ****ing joke, I mean you have Wiz writing for that crapass site of yours. Your rankings are terrible, and everyone knows it. If you were any sort of sportswriter you wouldn't have to make your own site to get a job.

You are the first person to say it was a crappy site, thanks.

[NateClements]

getting heated in here.

Not getting heated to me.

Everyone has a right to their opinion.

[Hobbes2d]

Yeah, OK, you don't know that Curtis Painter is better than Nate Davis?!?!?!?! For Reals Maj.:drive:

And Jairus Byrd is better than D.J. Moore. :laugh:

And Terrance Cody is a top 5 player! :drive:

[NateClements]

And Jairus Byrd is better than D.J. Moore. :laugh:

And Terrance Cody is a top 5 player! :drive:

Yes, Byrd is ranked higher in my books.

Yes, Cody is top 5 from my evaluation.

Yes, I have my own opinion. I'm not a message board junkie who jumps on some "guru's" band wagon.

[majesstik1]

I'm not a message board junkie who jumps on some "guru's" band wagon.

Isn't that how you got people to pay attention to you? Jumping on TheWiz's coattail.

[SBbound49ers]

April 26 yet?

[offtackle24]

April 26 yet?

seriously

[DavisNiner]

Isn't that how you got people to pay attention to you? Jumping on TheWiz's coattail.

:laugh: Ouch

[r0b81]

Isn't that how you got people to pay attention to you? Jumping on TheWiz's coattail.

**** Maj that was cold. :laugh:

[offtackle24]

Isn't that how you got people to pay attention to you? Jumping on TheWiz's coattail.

dang :laugh:

[Brian Jennings]

Maj is my hero, I think that qualifies for burn of the year.

[Hobbes2d]

Yes, Byrd is ranked higher in my books.

Yes, Cody is top 5 from my evaluation.

Yes, I have my own opinion. I'm not a message board junkie who jumps on some "guru's" band wagon.

Clearly you haven't seen much of Byrd. If you have you would know he shouldn't be ranked nearly that high.

How is Cody a top 5 player when he can barely stay on the field for 5 straight plays?

And that's nice that you have your own opinions. So do I.

[flohtingPoint]

Percy in the first round sounds like a Ted Ginn pick. Especially since his ankle is made of popsicle sticks and glue.

[NateClements]

Isn't that how you got people to pay attention to you? Jumping on TheWiz's coattail.

You got it ;-)

[Hobbes2d]

You got it ;-)

And you think that's something to aspire to eh? :laugh:

[NateClements]

good read, this is going to be real sad to say, but I think you're valuing players a little too much on their college production than, how I feel anyway, their actual draft stock.

Ding ding ding.

[offtackle24]

Funny I don't see Graham Harrell in that 1st round projection. Or Larry English.

he has harrell as a first round talent?

[offtackle24]

Maj doesn't, no.

no i meant this nate clements guy?

[Hobbes2d]

Ding ding ding.

Funny I don't see Graham Harrell in that 1st round projection. Or Larry English.

[Hobbes2d]

he has harrell as a first round talent?

Maj doesn't, no.

[Hobbes2d]

no i meant this nate clements guy?

Nope. Not him either. But he seems to think Maj's mock suggests that Maj rates players with good production over players with better NFL prospects...I'm not sure who that would be.

[49ersforlife5x]

Isn't that how you got people to pay attention to you? Jumping on TheWiz's coattail.

I think both you and wiz are completely full of crap. So I don't jump on anyone's coattail!

[Gof the Gij]

I think both you and wiz are completely full of crap. So I don't jump on anyone's coattail!

****, you're so self-satisfied you might as well be humping your own coattail.

[roleplay3r1]

Yes, Byrd is ranked higher in my books.


Have you seen Byrd play this year? For the most part, he's been awful.

[roleplay3r1]

I think both you and wiz are completely full of crap. So I don't jump on anyone's coattail!

BAHAHAHA! Whoo, thanks for the laugh 5x

[offtackle24]

I think I am the best at evaluating prospects and figure nobody's opinion is as good as mine!

fixed

[majesstik1]

I don't sense Thigpen has played well enough to prevent the Chiefs from drafting his eventual successor in the first round next year....whether he's Sam Bradford, Matt Stafford, Josh Freeman, Nate Davis or someone else, I'm starting to think the Chiefs will make a quarterback their No. 1 pick next year.

http://chiefsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/498

Looks like I'm not as far out on that limb as some people seem to think.

[49ersforlife5x]

****, you're so self-satisfied you might as well be humping your own coattail.

Oh, come on now, I'm not that bad. I just say what I think, and I don't jump on bandwagons.
Simply put!

[NateClements]

http://chiefsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/498

Looks like I'm not as far out on that limb as some people seem to think.

Are you kidding me? Thats your logic? If he were to enter the 2009 draft he would be a 2nd round pick at best. You have him going #5 overall.

Of course with a different set of quarterbacks coming out in 2010 and more time to improve, he can certainly be a 1st round pick - that's why a lot of players stay for their senior seasons.

[DavisNiner]

Are you kidding me? Thats your logic? If he were to enter the 2009 draft he would be a 2nd round pick at best. You have him going #5 overall.

Of course with a different set of quarterbacks coming out in 2010 and more time to improve, he can certainly be a 1st round pick - that's why a lot of players stay for their senior seasons.

I have a feeling that you will be sporting a new username in about 6 months.

[NateClements]

I have a feeling that you will be sporting a new username in about 6 months.

and you're an ***** ...

http://draftheadquarters.com/blog/?p=373

[DavisNiner]

and you're an ***** ...

http://draftheadquarters.com/blog/?p=373

Maj already posted that two days ago. That doesn't say anything about his talent.

[beasley for pres]

and you're an ***** ...

http://draftheadquarters.com/blog/?p=373

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=jn-ballstateqb110608&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[Max_Power]

This thread really went down the crapper.

[majesstik1]

Are you kidding me? Thats your logic? If he were to enter the 2009 draft he would be a 2nd round pick at best. You have him going #5 overall.

Of course with a different set of quarterbacks coming out in 2010 and more time to improve, he can certainly be a 1st round pick - that's why a lot of players stay for their senior seasons.

No, my logic has been in all my posts about Davis throughout the season. See unlike you, some of us around here explain why we like or dislike a prospect, and chat it up on a game by game basis. I've explained Nate Davis several times and why he has the talent to be the second QB off the board. All you do is come on here and attack posts, every other time calling some one and !d!ot, yet you never back up any of your opinions. Convenient.

[Gof the Gij]

Oh, come on now, I'm not that bad. I just say what I think, and I don't jump on bandwagons.
Simply put!

:nonono:

[NateClements]

No, my logic has been in all my posts about Davis throughout the season. See unlike you, some of us around here explain why we like or dislike a prospect, and chat it up on a game by game basis. I've explained Nate Davis several times and why he has the talent to be the second QB off the board. All you do is come on here and attack posts, every other time calling some one and !d!ot, yet you never back up any of your opinions. Convenient.

I simply state my opinions, if someone attacks me, I attack back. Got it?

I'm pretty sure you were the one attacking me, maybe you have amnesia.
http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showthread.php?t=63459&page=2

Thanks for playing :drive:

[NateClements]

:laugh: How are we suppose to take your joke of a site seriously when you come on here calling people names? No wonder you have to create your own site, God knows you couldn't get anyone else to hire you on.

Do you have anything useful to add to this thread or any thread for that matter? STFU!

[majesstik1]

I simply state my opinions, if someone attacks me, I attack back. Got it?

I'm pretty sure you were the one attacking me, maybe you have amnesia.
http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showthread.php?t=63459&page=2

Thanks for playing :drive:

Ok tough guy...but I wasn't the only one picking on you in your thread. Some of us even asked for some explanations on your rankings. I'm willing to talk with you about prospects, if you're willing to get over this immature bickering. I don't mind well stated or thought out opposing opinions, but when you keep coming off as a jackarse, it's hard to want to listen to you or take you seriously.

[Benji]

WoW! Can we all smoke some Shiat to come down already??!!

[Pound th' Rock]

Ok tough guy...but I wasn't the only one picking on you in your thread. Some of us even asked for some explanations on your rankings. I'm willing to talk with you about prospects, if you're willing to get over this immature bickering. I don't mind well stated or thought out opposing opinions, but when you keep coming off as a jackarse, it's hard to want to listen to you or take you seriously.

Hey Maj, I'm really not nearly as high on BJ Raji as you are. He doesn't strike me as a particularly fast-twitch guy, and in the V-Tech game he looked down right sluggish.

Just wondering if your thoughts have changed at all on Raji, or if you're still higher than ever on him.

[majesstik1]

Hey Maj, I'm really not nearly as high on BJ Raji as you are. He doesn't strike me as a particularly fast-twitch guy, and in the V-Tech game he looked down right sluggish.

Just wondering if your thoughts have changed at all on Raji, or if you're still higher than ever on him.

No change. He's still the best DT prospect, and one of the better overall prospects in this draft for me. Sluggish or not, he still made a couple of TFLs in that VT game (which I still haven't watched all of). If he does well at the Senior Bowl, he'll likely move up the board.

[NateClements]

Ok tough guy...but I wasn't the only one picking on you in your thread. Some of us even asked for some explanations on your rankings. I'm willing to talk with you about prospects, if you're willing to get over this immature bickering. I don't mind well stated or thought out opposing opinions, but when you keep coming off as a jackarse, it's hard to want to listen to you or take you seriously.

I was asked about Curtis Painter, and why I thought he was the #5 QB in the draft, and I provided analysis for you all. I have not dodged any questions.

I posted my prospect rankings and constructive critism wasn't what I got, instead it was immature bashing and downright rude comments. I'm not going to sit around and be disrespected. It's a two way street here.

Treat me with respect and I will treat you with respect. Same goes for anyone who has anything to say in the forums to be quite honest. If you attack me, I'm going to attack you.

[NateClements]

Well, if you choose to use your 68 posts to attack one of the more respected members of this message board, help yourself.

The # of posts has nothing to do with how long I have been around this community. Some people simply post more than others.

I have been lurking for years and just registered last year.

[majesstik1]

I was asked about Curtis Painter, and why I thought he was the #5 QB in the draft, and I provided analysis for you all. I have not dodged any questions.

I posted my prospect rankings and constructive critism wasn't what I got, instead it was immature bashing and downright rude comments. I'm not going to sit around and be disrespected. It's a two way street here.

Treat me with respect and I will treat you with respect. Same goes for anyone who has anything to say in the forums to be quite honest. If you attack me, I'm going to attack you.

I really do want to hear your opinions on stuff, and want to move passed our differences. Anybody with strong opinions on the draft I like to listen to. You seem to be pretty into it, so I'd like to read you post about the prospects.

Truce?

:friends:

[r0b81]

What are your thoughts on Granger? Do you think he will be available in the 3rd?

[NateClements]

I really do want to hear your opinions on stuff, and want to move passed our differences. Anybody with strong opinions on the draft I like to listen to. You seem to be pretty into it, so I'd like to read you post about the prospects.

Truce?

:friends:

Truce. I appreciate your response and look forward to reading your future insights as well.

I am working on my first mock draft, hoping to have it done sometime next week. :drive:

[majesstik1]

What are your thoughts on Granger? Do you think he will be available in the 3rd?

He has late-1st round talent. I think there are at least 5 prospects that will grade out higher than him...and he has some run ins with the law on his record, so character could be a concern. I'd guess he'll probably go sometime during the middle of round two, maybe slightly earlier.

Also, McCoy is the better prospect between the two OU DTs. He is eligible to declare, but should stay another year.

[r0b81]

He has late-1st round talent. I think there are at least 5 prospects that will grade out higher than him...and he has some run ins with the law on his record, so character could be a concern. I'd guess he'll probably go sometime during the middle of round two, maybe slightly earlier.

Also, McCoy is the better prospect between the two OU DTs. He is eligible to declare, but should stay another year.

Do you think Eben Britton will be a RT in the NFL due to his footwork?

[majesstik1]

Do you think Eben Britton will be a RT in the NFL due to his footwork?

Most likely. He's been playing RT until this year, they moved him to the left side. He's not quick enough to stay there in the NFL. Ideally, you use him on the right side.

[roleplay3r1]

I simply state my opinions, if someone attacks me, I attack back. Got it?


I'm interested in your defense of Jairus Byrd's high ranking. Don't tell me it's because he's played well this year because the fact is that he hasn't.

[Hobbes2d]

And this is coming from an Oregon fan....^^^^^

[SING'S BOXERS]

i want Raji but not for the run d, for the pressure on passing downs....isn't our run d vastly improved since sing took over?

[majesstik1]

i want Raji but not for the run d, for the pressure on passing downs....isn't our run d vastly improved since Singletary took over?

It has improved. This mock was written after the Bills gashed us for 156 though...and 2 weeks before STL ran for 126. SEA and ARI have no run games, they were easier to hold in check. Slowing down Barber and Jones were better measuring sticks.

[Max_Power]

Curtis Painter, Cullen Harper and Chase Daniels: thoughts...projections?

Painter has a big arm, Harper seems really cool under pressure and Daniels knows how to win.
Both Painter and Harper were benched this year and Daniels' size and arm are huge question marks.

I like all three in some ways (mainly because they are mid-late round prospects) but they are all flawed. I'm just trying to get some separation between them and find out what others think of them.

[Hobbes2d]

Curtis Painter, Cullen Harper and Chase Daniels: thoughts...projections?

Painter has a big arm, Harper seems really cool under pressure and Daniels knows how to win.
Both Painter and Harper were benched this year and Daniels' size and arm are huge question marks.

I like all three in some ways (mainly because they are mid-late round prospects) but they are all flawed. I'm just trying to get some separation between them and find out what others think of them.

Hate all 3 of them.

[offtackle24]

painter= terrible decision maker

harper= above

daniels: runs in a gimmick offense

[The OLD Cookie Monster]

painter= terrible decision maker

harper= above

daniels: runs in a gimmick offense

Agreed.




Totally unrelated, but Mark Sanchez is going to be a top 2 QB in the 2010 draft.

[offtackle24]

Agreed.




Totally unrelated, but Mark Sanchez is going to be a top 2 QB in the 2010 draft.

i dont get many usc games over here. Has he been playing that well?

[The OLD Cookie Monster]

i dont get many usc games over here. Has he been playing that well?

He makes some very good throws that look NFL caliber, then the next play he'll make you scratch your head, but he plays in an NFL offense and takes 3, 5, and 7 step drops several times a game. He has a great play fake on playaction passes. Another year ought to do wonders.

[Hobbes2d]

i dont get many usc games over here. Has he been playing that well?

He easily has the best mechanics of any top QB prospect.

[LVSolidSnake]

Hey Maj nice mock. I remember last year you called out Balmer and I was whoa....Maj was right!! Anyway what do you think of WalterFootball Mock Drafts? It is seems like these guys are really into this stuff too. How much credit do you them for their work as far ranking their prospects?

[majesstik1]

Curtis Painter, Cullen Harper and Chase Daniels: thoughts...projections?

Painter has a big arm, Harper seems really cool under pressure and Daniels knows how to win.
Both Painter and Harper were benched this year and Daniels' size and arm are huge question marks.

I like all three in some ways (mainly because they are mid-late round prospects) but they are all flawed. I'm just trying to get some separation between them and find out what others think of them.

All three are 4th round or later guys, Daniels is a late rounder (6 or 7). Painter has a good arm, but makes poor reads/decisions. He may be able to improve with pro coaching. Harper had a good junior year, and I anticipated him getting better this year, but the OL was a huge problem, and Clemson in general just laid a turd. He needs work on him mechanics, but he has the intangibles. Daniels is just too small, doesn't have a pro skill set, and does make pro reads/ throws in college. I don't really like him at all for the NFL.

...what do you think of WalterFootball Mock Drafts?

In the past when I looked at them, I didn't care for them, so I don't visit that site at all.

[Max_Power]

All three are 4th round or later guys, Daniels is a late rounder (6 or 7). Painter has a good arm, but makes poor reads/decisions. He may be able to improve with pro coaching. Harper had a good junior year, and I anticipated him getting better this year, but the OL was a huge problem, and Clemson in general just laid a turd. He needs work on him mechanics, but he has the intangibles. Daniels is just too small, doesn't have a pro skill set, and does make pro reads/ throws in college. I don't really like him at all for the NFL.



In the past when I looked at them, I didn't care for them, so I don't visit that site at all.

Thanks for the analysis. I agree with you. Harper and Painter have all the intangibles and tools to succeed, I think. And all their true flaws can be fixed with quality coaching.

[Jerry's kid]

Love Raji!!! It fells like I've been waiting to draft him my entire life.

[roleplay3r1]

And this is coming from an Oregon fan....^^^^^

Doesn't seem interested in defending the choice...who are your top guys this year?

[Hobbes2d]

Doesn't seem interested in defending the choice...who are your top guys this year?

Probably because he can't. :laugh:

I like Jenkins a lot. He's a big, physical corner. Kinda similar to Clements.

I really like Lindley from UK, but I don't know if he'll declare. Vontae Davis has some pretty unique athleticism for a corner. Moore from Vandy is good too. Alphonso Smith, I'm not as high on as some others, but I think he should be a very solid pro.

[beasley for pres]

Harper had a good junior year, and I anticipated him getting better this year, but the OL was a huge problem, and Clemson in general just laid a turd. He needs work on him mechanics, but he has the intangibles.

Ballin!

[roleplay3r1]

Probably because he can't. :laugh:

I like Jenkins a lot. He's a big, physical corner. Kinda similar to Clements.

I really like Lindley from UK, but I don't know if he'll declare. Vontae Davis has some pretty unique athleticism for a corner. Moore from Vandy is good too. Alphonso Smith, I'm not as high on as some others, but I think he should be a very solid pro.

Yup, I've probably got Lindley, Jenkins, Moore, Davis, and Walter Thurmond as my top 5.

[The OLD Cookie Monster]

The only thing that could hurt Peria Jerry is his age, but I doubt it will much.

[Brian Jennings]

Smith as a 3-4 end....

:laugh:

[SING'S BOXERS]

I thought it was a very good read Maj that was well done. I'd love Raji at that pick. The only minor thing I would say is that when you hypothesize our 3-4 front if we take Raji, you have our line as Balmer-----Raji-----Sopoaga

Aren't you forgetting the motor-maniac, Justin Smith? Wouldn't it be

Balmer----Raji------Smith

or
Smith----Raji------Sopoaga

He's gotta be in the starting lineup, in either a 4-3 or 3-4

[majesstik1]

I thought it was a very good read Maj that was well done. I'd love Raji at that pick. The only minor thing I would say is that when you hypothesize our 3-4 front if we take Raji, you have our line as Balmer-----Raji-----Sopoaga

Aren't you forgetting the motor-maniac, Justin Smith? Wouldn't it be

Balmer----Raji------Smith

or
Smith----Raji------Sopoaga

He's gotta be in the starting lineup, in either a 4-3 or 3-4

Smith would be an OLB in the 34 in that line-up.

Ideally, we would switch to the 43 though.

[belgium49er]

I would like the 4-3 version :-)

McDonald----Balmer----Raji----Smith this line would be freakish and yes i would love to have Balmer as a DT

[SING'S BOXERS]

Smith as a 3-4 end....

:laugh:

whoops. i meant ROLB/end in a 4/3. you caught me.

[SING'S BOXERS]

Smith would be an OLB in the 34 in that line-up.

Ideally, we would switch to the 43 though.

I would love us in a 4-3

[belgium49er]

I would love us in a 4-3

We are more suited to it also, i hope Jed forces our staff to take Raji

[Gof the Gij]

I would like the 4-3 version :-)

McDonald----Balmer----Raji----Smith this line would be freakish and yes i would love to have Balmer as a DT

We'd be great against the run, but would never ever ever get to the quarterback. We need an elite pass rusher.

[AndyLeeMVP]

We'd be great against the run, but would never ever ever get to the quarterback. We need an elite pass rusher.

:nothingtoadd:

Does anyone know how good of a pass rusher is Raji? I agree we need a pass rusher but interior pressure is so much more lethal than an edge rush.

[belgium49er]

thats what i mean because of RAji his ability to collapse a pocket and pressuring a QB by doing this, btw smith is a very good passrusher also

[majesstik1]

Does anyone know how good of a pass rusher is Raji? I agree we need a pass rusher but interior pressure is so much more lethal than an edge rush.

Pass rushing really isn't the main point of his game. He can penetrate and push guys backwards into the QB, and he has a fair amount of sacks...but he's not a 1-gap rusher like Peria Jerry or Sen'Derrick marks are. He's often doubled, so he's usually occupying guys, then shedding to make a play...or working his way down the LOS in pursuit. He has good burst and athleticism for a big bodied guy, which is why he's being considered one of the top prospects in this class.

[belgium49er]

Pass rushing really isn't the main point of his game. He can penetrate and push guys backwards into the QB, and he has a fair amount of sacks...but he's not a 1-gap rusher like Peria Jerry or Sen'Derrick marks are. He's often doubled, so he's usually occupying guys, then shedding to make a play...or working his way down the LOS in pursuit. He has good burst and athleticism for a big bodied guy, which is why he's being considered one of the top prospects in this class.


Nice explenation Maj ;-)

[AndyLeeMVP]

Pass rushing really isn't the main point of his game. He can penetrate and push guys backwards into the QB, and he has a fair amount of sacks...but he's not a 1-gap rusher like Peria Jerry or Sen'Derrick marks are. He's often doubled, so he's usually occupying guys, then shedding to make a play...or working his way down the LOS in pursuit. He has good burst and athleticism for a big bodied guy, which is why he's being considered one of the top prospects in this class.

Definitely sounds like a good player to have.

Just wondering, who would you consider with our 2nd and 3rd round picks? Any idea on a particular player or position you'd think we would address, or that you'd like to see addressed?

Also curious, if you dont mind answering- what do you think of Ron Brace?

[majesstik1]

Definitely sounds like a good player to have.

Just wondering, who would you consider with our 2nd and 3rd round picks? Any idea on a particular player or position you'd think we would address, or that you'd like to see addressed?

Also curious, if you dont mind answering- what do you think of Ron Brace?

We need a FS, a Pass Rusher, and a RT early on. It may even be said that we need those three positions more than Raji. My next mock will likely have us selecting someone else to fit a need...although I think Raji could be the best player available when we draft, and would be a valuable player for our team for years.

Brace is good too, probably a 2nd rounder at this point. Big guy, just not as athletic as Raji. The two of them together were the funnest thing to watch this season for me (including Herzlich the LB for BC). Brace doesn't quite have the initial burst that Raji has, and they didn't use him in zone coverage as often as they did with Raji (really a testament to Raji's ability).

[SING'S BOXERS]

http://www.scoutsnotebook.com/

we should take Nate in the 2nd round if he's still there

[AndyLeeMVP]

http://www.scoutsnotebook.com/

we should take Nate in the 2nd round if he's still there

If he's that good i wouldn't risk waiting until the 2nd. We have bigger immediate needs but if a good QB prospect is there why not? I think QB is a position to reach for- if you get that QB who you feel can lead you to the playoffs every year, your set. Maybe try to trade down too if he's a late 1st rounder.

[majesstik1]

all the top QB will need to sit for at least a yr before joining the QB comp...

It'd be nice if people around here were able to understand that. Everyone seems to think you have to be able to find a Matt Ryan in order to make QB a worthy investment. Ryan was an experienced senior QB, all the good ones in this class are juniors, some have 3 years starting experience, but none should be asked to lead an NFL team right away.

[bigPaco80]

Pass rushing really isn't the main point of his game. He can penetrate and push guys backwards into the QB, and he has a fair amount of sacks...but he's not a 1-gap rusher like Peria Jerry or Sen'Derrick marks are. He's often doubled, so he's usually occupying guys, then shedding to make a play...or working his way down the LOS in pursuit. He has good burst and athleticism for a big bodied guy, which is why he's being considered one of the top prospects in this class.

Raji has also been said to take plays off, be uncoachable, and he was adamically DQed in 2007. if your going to talk about him please tell everything

[majesstik1]

Raji has also been said to take plays off, be uncoachable, and he was adamically DQed in 2007. if your going to talk about him please tell everything

Links to this please.

If you read through the thread, you'll see the reason he was academically ineligible. It wasn't because of grades or him not being smart, it was a mistake with the amount of units he was supposed to be taking. And the coaching staff loves him. If you watch him play, you can judge for yourself if he's taking plays off. I sure didn't see it in the games I watched.

Sounds like you're pulling ish out of your arse here dude.

[bigPaco80]

Links to this please.

If you read through the thread, you'll see the reason he was academically ineligible. It wasn't because of grades or him not being smart. And the coaching staff loves him.

Sounds like you're pulling ish out of your arse here dude.

google his name you'll fin all sorts of articles and reports on him, I don;t buy into the crap that people say on this board, like we all know you have a hard on for this guy so your going to say what ever makes him look good, you'll also know if you were informed on him he's projected to be a late 1st rnd to early 2nd rnd pick, and taking him as our qst round pick will be a reach kind of like we did with Balmer last year.

[majesstik1]

google his name you'll fin all sorts of articles and reports on him, I don;t buy into the crap that people say on this board, like we all know you have a hard on for this guy so your going to say what ever makes him look good, you'll also know if you were informed on him he's projected to be a late 1st rnd to early 2nd rnd pick, and taking him as our qst round pick will be a reach kind of like we did with Balmer last year.

Why don't you just post the links? Because they don't exist.

It's true Raji is one of my favorite players, however I've never been aroused by him.

If you used more sources than google or whatever else you use, you'd understand he is one the top prospects in the country. Good way to get info is to actually watch the games...more than 1 preferably.

You clearly have no case. But thanks for playing, we'll have some parting gifts for you as you leave the building boy.

[bigPaco80]

thanks for sharing.

your welcome, if your going to do a mock then you need to better inform yourself on a player.

[majesstik1]

your welcome, if your going to do a mock then you need to better inform yourself on a player.

:laugh:

You = Fail

:slap:

[bigPaco80]

:laugh:

You = Fail

:slap:

that makes no sense and thats your best come back lmao :falldownlaugh:

[majesstik1]

that makes no sense and thats your best come back lmao :falldownlaugh:

I'm not really trying to get into an internet argument with a little boy. Sorry. Just stated the obvious.

[The OLD Cookie Monster]

BJ Raji is simply a man among boys on the field, it's literally as if verteran DT suits up for BC.

[Trap_Star]

:laugh:

[bigPaco80]

I'm not really trying to get into an internet argument with a little boy. Sorry. Just stated the obvious.

you don't even know me or a thing about me, I'm sorry if I laid the truth out and hurt your feelings

[bigPaco80]

BJ Raji is simply a man among boys on the field, it's literally as if verteran DT suits up for BC.

so was Balmer and Glenn Dorsey

[The OLD Cookie Monster]

so was Balmer and Glenn Dorsey

Glenn Dorsey is going to be a stud..... What logic are you trying to use? Studly college DT's go on to suck?

[majesstik1]

you don't even know me or a thing about me, I'm sorry if I laid the truth out and hurt your feelings

My feelings aren't hurt. I'm more amused than anything. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. You're just regurgitating misinformation that you don't seem to want to provide a link for.

[The OLD Cookie Monster]

you don't even know me or a thing about me, I'm sorry if I laid the truth out and hurt your feelings

For a pre-law student you sure come across as incredibly stupid.... it'd probably be a good idea for you not to talk in class.

[majesstik1]

Maj why always starting E-fights with the new kids??? :laugh:

Sorry. I guess I'm just a bully.

It just bugs me when people who clearly have no clue post BS and don't follow it up with any evidence.

[belgium49er]

I'll help him guys :-p :

1: Why he was ineligible
http://www.boston.com/sports/articles/2007/09/05/appeal_filed_on_raji_status/
2: He is smart enough
http://bceagles.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/090707aab.html
3:No work ethic read this ;-)
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/kevin_armstrong/10/17/bj.raji/index.html
4:Look how he's playing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAs7UtO5-S4

I think you have to agree with Maj

[49ersz]

Raji has also been said to take plays off, be uncoachable, and he was adamically DQed in 2007. if your going to talk about him please tell everything

Maj is more knowledgeable then you are when it comes to scouting players. If you can't give an link then it must not be existent. I really like Mays but I wouldn't mind taking Raji at all. Those are the only two players IMO we should take in the first round. Hey Maj what are your views on Mays anyways?

[majesstik1]

Hey Maj what are your views on Mays anyways?

I don't see him as a true centerfielder, which is more of what we need. He's more of a SS to me. Unless he goes to a team that stays in a cover-2 shell most of the time, and then he can play deep on half of the field. He has good speed and size, so I won't say there is no way he could play FS...I just think he's better suited for SS. For a guy with his ability, you'd like to see him make more plays on the ball to feel better about him as a FS prospect. I really like his closing speed on ball carriers, which is a great asset as a SS. And he has pretty good pop. It's even possible some teams will scout him for LB.

[WhistlingMtn]

I don't see him as a true centerfielder, which is more of what we need. He's more of a SS to me. Unless he goes to a team that stays in a cover-2 shell most of the time, and then he can play deep on half of the field. He has good speed and size, so I won't say there is no way he could play FS...I just think he's better suited for SS. For a guy with his ability, you'd like to see him make more plays on the ball to feel better about him as a FS prospect. I really like his closing speed on ball carriers, which is a great asset as a SS. And he has pretty good pop. It's even possible some teams will scout him for LB.

Agreed, except the LB part. He needs to learn how to make a solid tackle when a solid tackle is needed, he throws his body around too often, and he's much more oft to make a play on the guy than make a play on the ball.

There's just an innate ability some dbs have to read the QB and the wide receivers and make plays on the ball. He doesn't have it. If you're going to draft a db, especially a safety, in the top 15 he HAS to have that ability.

EDIT: If they do decide they don't have a future FS already on the roster, I'd be happy with a middle round guy like Rashad Johnson or Delmas.

[Max_Power]

Agreed, except the LB part. He needs to learn how to make a solid tackle when a solid tackle is needed, he throws his body around too often, and he's much more oft to make a play on the guy than make a play on the ball.

There's just an innate ability some dbs have to read the QB and the wide receivers and make plays on the ball. He doesn't have it. If you're going to draft a db, especially a safety, in the top 15 he HAS to have that ability.

EDIT: If they do decide they don't have a future FS already on the roster, I'd be happy with a middle round guy like Rashad Johnson or Delmas.

Me too. Both those guys look pretty good. Not perfect, but with some good coaching they could be light years better than Roman.

My preference at this point is hopefully nailing Macho Harris in the 2nd. He could easily go higher than that spot, but I hope he falls a little and we can move him to FS where he'd probably excel the most. His only future at CB is in a strict cover 2 scheme.

[49ersz]

I don't see him as a true centerfielder, which is more of what we need. He's more of a SS to me. Unless he goes to a team that stays in a cover-2 shell most of the time, and then he can play deep on half of the field. He has good speed and size, so I won't say there is no way he could play FS...I just think he's better suited for SS. For a guy with his ability, you'd like to see him make more plays on the ball to feel better about him as a FS prospect. I really like his closing speed on ball carriers, which is a great asset as a SS. And he has pretty good pop. It's even possible some teams will scout him for LB.

I see him more as an true SS also but with his ability I think he can play both positions. Thanks for the insight Maj.

[bigben71784]

No, my logic has been in all my posts about Davis throughout the season. See unlike you, some of us around here explain why we like or dislike a prospect, and chat it up on a game by game basis. I've explained Nate Davis several times and why he has the talent to be the second QB off the board. All you do is come on here and attack posts, every other time calling some one and !d!ot, yet you never back up any of your opinions. Convenient.

I attended at Ball State and my younger sister is still in school there so i had a chance to see this guy play in person several times this year. He has the best arm i have seen in college in a long long time. Now i have not seen many of the major QB prospects play in person with the exception of Davis and Painter but Davis looks better than every other QB I have seen. He has a cannon but is also extreamly accurate. The guy can litterally make every throw. He also does a nice job of progressing through his reads and moving in the pocket. He spreads the ball around very well and I really believe he will be the best QB to come out of this draft.
That being said i just can not imagine this guy going that early. Especially to the chiefs due to thigpen playing so well. I really would love to see the 9ers trade back into the first round to take him and let him sit behind hill for a year or two and learn the system. That is if we can keep the same OC for more than a season. There are only a few teams that i think will really be looking to draft a early round QB. Detroit I think will take stafford or bradford and after that i just don't know who will be taking QB's early on. How many teams do you feel will be looking at QB's in the first round this year?

[VaSfan4life]

Me too. Both those guys look pretty good. Not perfect, but with some good coaching they could be light years better than Roman.

My preference at this point is hopefully nailing Macho Harris in the 2nd. He could easily go higher than that spot, but I hope he falls a little and we can move him to FS where he'd probably excel the most. His only future at CB is in a strict cover 2 scheme.

Macho Would Best the Best Pure FS In this Draft If Given the Chance. He Played FS in HS. He Played Sum against ECU and WKU in the 4thqtr also and had 2 picks at FS.

If He Fell I'd **** My Pants

[LVSolidSnake]

Maj is there any FB worth mentioning in this years draft? It seems that Sing is our future coach and he would love to have an effective running game. I have a feeling that we might draft a FB in the late rounds. What do you think?

[beasley for pres]

Maj is there any FB worth mentioning in this years draft? It seems that Sing is our future coach and he would love to have an effective running game. I have a feeling that we might draft a FB in the late rounds. What do you think?

I like Quinn Johnson out of LSU.

[LVSolidSnake]

I like Quinn Johnson out of LSU.

hopefully he declares

[majesstik1]

hopefully he declares

He's a senior, so that covers that. He's the guy to keep an eye on right now.

[majesstik1]

Updated 12/30

[NinersFanatic]

Most experts have Raji going late in the 1st. You really see him getting picked 8th overall?

[majesstik1]

Most experts have Raji going late in the 1st. You really see him getting picked 8th overall?

Yes, and so do many other "experts".

[Leeding49er]

What are the advantages and disadvantages of the 9ers picking Orakpo over Brown?

[Hobbes2d]

If KC takes a QB Tony Gonzalez might kill somebody or ask for a trade. He said it would be a disgrace if Thigpen isn't their starting QB next year.

[Hobbes2d]

What are the advantages and disadvantages of the 9ers picking Orakpo over Brown?

Good question. I'd be pissed if we passed on Brown for Orakpo. Beware of workout warriors.....

[Benji]

not bad but it's Malcolm, not Michael Jenkins

[JRO49]

Orakpo is built more like a LB than Brown. Seems like we're running the 34 again next year, and Orakpo is the better OLB prospect for that role. I'm not buying into the "workout warrior" BS either. If you watched him play, you understand that's not the case at all.

Yeah you can tell he isn't stiff like a board, like Gholston was when he played.

Everyone except the Jets knew he was a bust if he was to be a 3-4 OLB

[majesstik1]

What are the advantages and disadvantages of the 9ers picking Orakpo over Brown?

Orakpo is built more like a LB than Brown. Seems like we're running the 34 again next year, and Orakpo is the better OLB prospect for that role. I'm not buying into the "workout warrior" BS either. If you watched him play, you understand that's not the case at all.

not bad but it's Malcolm, not Michael Jenkins

Yep. Late night typo.

[majesstik1]

If KC takes a QB Tony Gonzalez might kill somebody or ask for a trade. He said it would be a disgrace if Thigpen isn't their starting QB next year.

If they're smart, Thigpen would still be the starter next year. Let Stafford red shirt a year, and make the QB decision next year when Thigpen's contract expires. They could tender him as a RFA and get some value back from him if they decide to move on with Stafford...or let him play out his tender and make the decision in 2010. By then, TonGon will be retired anyway.

[Hobbes2d]

If they're smart, Thigpen would still be the starter next year. Let Stafford red shirt a year, and make the QB decision next year when Thigpen's contract expires. They could tender him as a RFA and get some value back from him if they decide to move on with Stafford...or let him play out his tender and make the decision in 2010. By then, TonGon will be retired anyway.

I doubt that would happen. There would be an intense level of pressure to play Stafford. Especially if Thigpen struggles at all. And Gonzo isn't retiring for awhile, he's only 33.

[JRO49]

I doubt that would happen. There would be an intense level of pressure to play Stafford. Especially if Thigpen struggles at all. And Gonzo isn't retiring for awhile, he's only 33.

Yeah that wouldn't work out at all.

[majesstik1]

I doubt that would happen. There would be an intense level of pressure to play Stafford. Especially if Thigpen struggles at all. And Gonzo isn't retiring for awhile, he's only 33.

I don't see it that way.

And in 2010, Gonzalez will be 35...and most likely heading for retirement or another team. Plus, I didn't realize he had the final say on personnel moves.

[baysicc707]

Truthfully, our need for a (passrushing) OLB and a WR are not the biggest needs. If Roman could cover for more than 2 seconds we could generate more sacks, atleast more pressures. Our biggest need is at RT....Sims is a joke and Snyder is pretty good but we need a bookend with Staley. This goes in order with our needs but I would like us to trade down to get some more picks. Due to our number in the draft, we can trade with 20 plus other teams.

1st BPA at OT(RT)
2nd Rashad Johnson (FS)
3rd BPA QB or OLB (QB/OLB)...maybe even a RB

[beasley for pres]

That'd suck if Selvie went 1 pick before us.

[majesstik1]

Truthfully, our need for a (passrushing) OLB and a WR are not the biggest needs. If Roman could cover for more than 2 seconds we could generate more sacks, atleast more pressures. Our biggest need is at RT....Sims is a joke and Snyder is pretty good but we need a bookend with Staley. This goes in order with our needs but I would like us to trade down to get some more picks. Due to our number in the draft, we can trade with 20 plus other teams.

1st BPA at OT(RT)
2nd Rashad Johnson (FS)
3rd BPA QB or OLB (QB/OLB)...maybe even a RB

Looks nice, but if the player at the position you need isn't there, you have to take the best player available, especially if he still fits a need. All three of the OT prospects are off the board by 10 in this, and no other OT prospect is a better pick than Orakpo there. Everybody loves to say we should trade down. It's really not as easy as it sounds.

[The OLD Cookie Monster]

Looks nice, but if the player at the position you need isn't there, you have to take the best player available, especially if he still fits a need. All three of the OT prospects are off the board by 10 in this, and no other OT prospect is a better pick than Orakpo there. Everybody loves to say we should trade down. It's really not as easy as it sounds.

But I did it in Madden and got 5 first round picks.

[JRO49]

But I did it in Madden and got 5 first round picks.

I do that all the time... :laugh:

[Hobbes2d]

beware of FSU DE...:hoppy:

Beware of Texas DE's too. :laugh:

[Gof the Gij]

I think Green Bay would more likely go for Brown than Selvie. They had issues stopping the run all year, and Brown is a far better run stopper.

And there's no way in hell Duke Robinson falls to the second.

[majesstik1]

...there's no way in hell Duke Robinson falls to the second.

It's not as impossible as you think. He gets away with a lot of poor technique and uncalled holding. He likes to "lean" block more than use his arms to engage and drive.

[Gof the Gij]

It's not as impossible as you think. He gets away with a lot of poor technique and uncalled holding. He likes to "lean" block more than use his arms to engage and drive.

...but going after Tyronne Green? That's a little Auburn homerish, even for you :laugh:

[majesstik1]

...but going after Tyronne Green? That's a little Auburn homerish, even for you :laugh:

I guess we'll see...

Green has superior technique...he just gets no love because of how bad our offense looked this year. Which, BTW, we're going back to the spread next year with the Tulsa OC :thud: :shoot:

[duxstar]

Maj what is your opinion on Aaron Maybin out of Penn State??? I think if he declared he could go pretty high, Mcshay has him as the #6 pick I believe. I didn't learn about him from Mcshay though, I learned about his stats from NFLDraftscout before Mcshay's mock draft as a player to watch for in the Rose Bowl Game.

I'm not saying that the niners should take him, I'm just saying if he came out would he really go that high, and where does he fit. His size to me says the is a tweener type, and would go to outside linebacker at the 3 - 4 but he is a Redshirt sophmore so he could leave. I pretty much found out about him looking at Penn States players to watch for and they had him as the #1 DE for the 2011 draft even though he's eligible this year. His comments make me think he might come out, and at that point is it possible someone with his numbers (3rd most sacks in CFB) slips into the second round??? I mean if we could land a pass rusher with his kind of potential in the second that would be an absolute STEAL.

Thoughts/opinions?

[majesstik1]

Maj what is your opinion on Aaron Maybin out of Penn State??? I think if he declared he could go pretty high, Mcshay has him as the #6 pick I believe. I didn't learn about him from Mcshay though, I learned about his stats from NFLDraftscout before Mcshay's mock draft as a player to watch for in the Rose Bowl Game.

I'm not saying that the niners should take him, I'm just saying if he came out would he really go that high, and where does he fit. His size to me says the is a tweener type, and would go to outside linebacker at the 3 - 4 but he is a Redshirt sophmore so he could leave. I pretty much found out about him looking at Penn States players to watch for and they had him as the #1 DE for the 2011 draft even though he's eligible this year. His comments make me think he might come out, and at that point is it possible someone with his numbers (3rd most sacks in CFB) slips into the second round??? I mean if we could land a pass rusher with his kind of potential in the second that would be an absolute STEAL.

Thoughts/opinions?

I really don't like guys like Maybin coming out. He's undersized, young, and only has one year of production. Everything about him is based on potential. Sure, he could end up a top 6 player out of this class, but I don't like the risk you take by drafting a guy like him so high. I wouldn't take him unless I had very few holes on my roster to fill, and could afford the luxury of red-shirting my first pick...which usually means late 1st round. No way would i touch the guy any higher than 25.

[cmonk33]

were 8th agaisnt the run quit crying about a DT obviously FS is way more important roman gets burned by 3rd and 2nd string TEs and any reciver that is playing on a day that ends in Y. I think Franklin played pretty good for the last 8 games were 12th overall in defense. I really dont see any problems with a pick like sam Bradford as long as we dont do something stupid like draft tebow - which everyone says hes going to be a TE cuz he cant throw the ball very far-

[Gof the Gij]

Yeah ok...Tim Crowder, Cory Redding(move to DT), and Brian Robinson...none of them where consider top PR threats the way Rak is...

All the FSU DE(since 2001) that "were" supp to be top PR guys went top 15(pretty sure but its 4 A.M. and don't feel like checking)...

So...Kamerion Wimbley?

[Gof the Gij]

What about him?

Was the only Florida State defensive end taken in the first round in the last 5 years, and even though he hasn't been great he's been pretty good.

[NateClements]

A no frills update, just the picks...

01. Detroit - Eugene Monroe, LT, UVA
02. St. Louis - Andre Smith, OT, bama
03. Kansas City - Matthew Stafford, QB, UGA
04. Seattle - Michael Crabtree, WR, TT
05. Cleveland - Malcolm Jenkins, CB/S, OSU
06. Cincinnati - Michael Oher, OT, Miss
07. Oakland - Aaron Curry, LB, Wake
08. Jacksonville - B.J. Raji, DT, BC
09. Green Bay - George Selvie, DE, USF
10. San Francisco - Brian Orakpo, DE, Tex
11. Buffalo - Everette Brown, DE, FSU
12. Denver - Brandon Spikes, LB, UF
13. Washington - Peria Jerry, DT, Miss
14. New Orleans - Taylor Mays, S, USC
15. Houston - William Moore, S, Zou
16. San Diego - Alex Mack, C/G, Cal
17. New York Jets - Jeremy Maclin, WR, Zou
18. Chicago - Macho Harris, CB/S, VT
19. Tampa Bay - Nate Davis, QB, Ball St
20. Detroit (from Dallas) - Michael Johnson, DE, GT
21. Arizona - Knowshon Moreno, RB, UGA
22. Philadelphia - Jason Smith, OT, Bay
23. Minnesota - Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake
24. New England - Brian Cushing, LB, USC
25. Atlanta - Tyson Jackson, DE/DT, LSU
26. Miami - Clint Sintim, LB, UVA
27. Baltimore - Vonte Davis, CB, Ill
28. Philadelphia (from Carolina) - Brandon Pettigrew, TE, OkSt
29. Indianapolis - Tyronne Green, G, Aub
30. Pittsburgh - Eben Britton, OT, Arz
31. New York Giants - Hakeem Nicks, WR, UNC
32. Tennessee - Percy Harvin, WR, UF
33. Detroit - Josh Freeman, QB, KSU
34. Kansas City - Beanie Wells, RB, OSU
35. St. Louis - Rey Maualuga, LB, USC
36. Cleveland - Shonn Green, RB, Iowa
37. Seattle - Duke Robinson, G, OU
38. Cincinnati - Greg Hardy, DE, Miss
39. Jacksonville - Mike Mickens, CB, Cinc
40. Oakland - Darius Heyward-Bey, WR, Mary
41. Green Bay - James Laurinaitis, LB, OSU
42. Buffalo - Jermaine Gresham, TE, OU
43. San Francisco - Rashad Johnson, S, bama


I'd be pumped if we drafted Rashad Johnson, he is the real deal IMO. A true playmaker at the safety position who could bounce Roman to the streets.

[johnm]

Woot! I'd love it if this happened! Orakpo FTW!

[baysicc707]

Wasn't Vernon Gholston sapose to be the sack master of 08!

I wouldnt draft a guy just on his ability to rush the passer in college.

[MLaw99]

Lovin' our picks Maj! :thumbsup:

On a side note, I think Oakland would have the best LB core in the NFL if they drafted Curry...

Curry
Morrison
Howard

Downright scary.

[r0b81]

Lovin' our picks Maj! :thumbsup:

On a side note, I think Oakland would have the best LB core in the NFL if they drafted Curry...

Curry
Morrison
Howard

Downright scary.

They already have the best CB.

[MLaw99]

Wasn't Vernon Gholston sapose to be the sack master of 08!

I wouldnt draft a guy just on his ability to rush the passer in college.

Gholston's had a tough time adjusting to the 3-4 scheme and it doesn't help he was stuck behind Calvin Pace (7 sacks, 5 FF) and Bryan Thomas (5.5 sacks, 3 FF).

What else can you base it on other than college production and athletic ability? (And Gholston had/has loads of both). :laugh:

[Gof the Gij]

Beanie Wells to the second round?

[KingRat]

Hey Maj,

Any thoughts on Micah Johnson? Coaches voted him all SEC first team. I had tuned into the ECU/Kentucky game to check out Pryor, and came out impressed with #4. I know he's a Jr, but I'm still looking for a long term ILB to play alongside Willis. Profile lists him at 6'2" 255...:telephone:

[majesstik1]

Hey Maj,

Any thoughts on Micah Johnson? Coaches voted him all SEC first team. I had tuned into the ECU/Kentucky game to check out Pryor, and came out impressed with #4. I know he's a Jr, but I'm still looking for a long term ILB to play alongside Willis. Profile lists him at 6'2" 255...:telephone:

I'm in the same boat you are with Johnson. I hadn't noticed him until the bowl game. I have about 3 or 4 UK games on disc I need to watch still, I can get a better look when I do. He has great size, and looked very quick and athletic against ECU's players...I'll have to see if he looks that fast in his SEC games.

[majesstik1]

Beanie Wells to the second round?

Injury red flags. RB have the least value in the draft, unless there' a guy with unbelievable speed/talent. Wells is just your typical blue collar back. He could go late-mid-to-late 1st, but I don't see him going very high.

[Kenage]

Just a couple of questions Maj. You list Andre Smith as an OT and not a LT. Do you think he might have to switch sides in the pros? If the Niners do pick Brian Orakpo and if Singletary keeps the 3-4 can he play as an outside LB? I do not know if he is big enough to play an end in a 3-4.

[DavisNiner]

Just a couple of questions Maj. You list Andre Smith as an OT and not a LT. Do you think he might have to switch sides in the pros? If the Niners do pick Brian Orakpo and if Singletary keeps the 3-4 can he play as an outside LB? I do not know if he is big enough to play an end in a 3-4.

About Orakpo: Maj has stated that he would fare well as a 3-4 lb, he would never play end in a 3-4.

http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showpost.php?p=2027319&postcount=208

[majesstik1]

Just a couple of questions Maj. You list Andre Smith as an OT and not a LT. Do you think he might have to switch sides in the pros? If the Niners do pick Brian Orakpo and if Singletary keeps the 3-4 can he play as an outside LB? I do not know if he is big enough to play an end in a 3-4.

I want to see how Smith measures out, height and arm length are questions I'd like to see answered. He has less than ideal height to the eye. I also have concerns about how he's played against elite edge rushers, he's given up some sacks and pressures to guys who can blow right by him. And in the same game, has over compensated against them and given up inside leverage. I think he's a pro-bowl caliber guard in the NFL, and may be a very solid RT, but I still have doubts about his future as a left tackle at the next level...some of which can be alleviated with adequate arm length confirmation. I could see him playing left tackle on a run heavy team, but not in the more wide split offenses that use a heavy passing game. He's still one of the better pro prospects in this class, as I'm sure anyone would like to have a future pro-bowl guard on their roster.

Orakpo has the girth to hold up as a 34 Will. He has a good variety of moves, and at that position, you like to see a guy who has a good bull rush to show he's going to be strong enough at the next level. Orakpo has that. He also plays with good technique and leverage. He's a film junkie and is always trying to get better. Those are the type of guys teams like to draft high. He is not a 34 end.

[r0b81]

Do you think Phil Loadholt will be a RT in the NFL? And if so do you think it would be possible to land him on the 2nd day of the draft?

[majesstik1]

Do you think Phil Loadholt will be a RT in the NFL? And if so do you think it would be possible to land him on the 2nd day of the draft?

I was just listening to Mayock talking about him earlier. He's always been in my rankings as a RT only, and I think he's a solid 3rd rounder. Mayock seems to believe he could fall into the 5th round.

Mayock also showed some of the problems I have with Duke Robinson in his segment...although, he didn't show all the leaning holding penalties that went uncalled against him. He says Duke is a 2nd-3rd rounder...I think Duke goes early 2nd.

[r0b81]

I was just listening to Mayock talking about him earlier. He's always been in my rankings as a RT only, and I think he's a solid 3rd rounder. Mayock seems to believe he could fall into the 5th round.

Mayock also showed some of the problems I have with Duke Robinson in his segment...although, he didn't show all the leaning holding penalties that went uncalled against him. He says Duke is a 2nd-3rd rounder...I think Duke goes early 2nd.

Ya I was watching the same thing. Mayock was showing how speed rushers were getting sacks and how Orakpo was giving him trouble. Do you think a team like the Steelers would take a shot at Duke Robinson in the late first?

[majesstik1]

Ya I was watching the same thing. Mayock was showing how speed rushers were getting sacks and how Orakpo was giving him trouble. Do you think a team like the Steelers would take a shot at Duke Robinson in the late first?

I think they would take Tyrone Green or Eben Britton over Duke, but he is certainly in play there.

[Kenage]

I want to see how Smith measures out, height and arm length are questions I'd like to see answered. He has less than ideal height to the eye. I also have concerns about how he's played against elite edge rushers, he's given up some sacks and pressures to guys who can blow right by him. And in the same game, has over compensated against them and given up inside leverage. I think he's a pro-bowl caliber guard in the NFL, and may be a very solid RT, but I still have doubts about his future as a left tackle at the next level...some of which can be alleviated with adequate arm length confirmation. I could see him playing left tackle on a run heavy team, but not in the more wide split offenses that use a heavy passing game. He's still one of the better pro prospects in this class, as I'm sure anyone would like to have a future pro-bowl guard on their roster.

Orakpo has the girth to hold up as a 34 Will. He has a good variety of moves, and at that position, you like to see a guy who has a good bull rush to show he's going to be strong enough at the next level. Orakpo has that. He also plays with good technique and leverage. He's a film junkie and is always trying to get better. Those are the type of guys teams like to draft high. He is not a 34 end.

Thanks Maj. for the response. So could Smith be like a Leonard Davis and be better at a Guard than Tackle in the pros? I have not seen much of Texas play but do they move Orakpo all around or does he primarily stay on the TE side? On a few plays I saw of the bowl game he seemed to be coming from the TE side and not the LT side.

[KingRat]

I'm in the same boat you are with Johnson. I hadn't noticed him until the bowl game. I have about 3 or 4 UK games on disc I need to watch still, I can get a better look when I do. He has great size, and looked very quick and athletic against ECU's players...I'll have to see if he looks that fast in his SEC games.

looks like we'll need to keep an eye on him for another year> http://www.wkyt.com/sports/headlines/37234114.html

3-5 rnd projection wasn't enough....I had checked nfldraftscout and they have him #3 of 124 ILB's....I'll be waiting for your report :)

[majesstik1]

looks like we'll need to keep an eye on him for another year> http://www.wkyt.com/sports/headlines/37234114.html

3-5 rnd projection wasn't enough....I had checked nfldraftscout and they have him #3 of 124 ILB's....I'll be waiting for your report :)

I watched the UK @ Bama game last night hoping to see him. He was injured (high ankle sprain) and did not play. Braxton Kelly kicked over to MLB, and played well. The Lindley/Jones match-up was fun to watch in that one too.

[majesstik1]

Thanks Maj. for the response. So could Smith be like a Leonard Davis and be better at a Guard than Tackle in the pros? I have not seen much of Texas play but do they move Orakpo all around or does he primarily stay on the TE side? On a few plays I saw of the bowl game he seemed to be coming from the TE side and not the LT side.

They line him up on both sides throughout a game. He embarrassed Loadholt in their match-up earlier in the year.

[r0b81]

They line him up on both sides throughout a game. He embarrassed Loadholt in their match-up earlier in the year.

Hell yeah he embarrassed him :laugh:

[ManCans]

Now that Selvie is returning, I think Orakpo goes before we pick. That means both Raji and Orakpo might be gone when we pick. That's the scenario in my mock (which I haven't updated yet):

1. Detroit - Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
2. St. Louis - Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
3. Kansas City - Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State
4. Seattle - Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
5. Cleveland - Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest
6. Cincinnati - Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
7. Oakland - Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
8. Jacksonville - B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College
9. Green Bay - Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi

Very interested to see where you'd go in this scenario. I've got us taking Jason Smith, who I think is the second best tackle in this draft.

[OsBoogie]

Now that Selvie is returning, I think Orakpo goes before we pick. That means both Raji and Orakpo might be gone when we pick. That's the scenario in my mock (which I haven't updated yet):

1. Detroit - Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
2. St. Louis - Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
3. Kansas City - Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State
4. Seattle - Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
5. Cleveland - Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest
6. Cincinnati - Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
7. Oakland - Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
8. Jacksonville - B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College
9. Green Bay - Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi

Very interested to see where you'd go in this scenario. I've got us taking Jason Smith, who I think is the second best tackle in this draft.

Everette Brown

perfect... I'm hoping Bradford and maybe a RB goes in the top 9 as well...

[WhistlingMtn]

Now that Selvie is returning, I think Orakpo goes before we pick. That means both Raji and Orakpo might be gone when we pick. That's the scenario in my mock (which I haven't updated yet):

1. Detroit - Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
2. St. Louis - Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
3. Kansas City - Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State
4. Seattle - Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
5. Cleveland - Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest
6. Cincinnati - Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
7. Oakland - Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
8. Jacksonville - B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College
9. Green Bay - Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi

Very interested to see where you'd go in this scenario. I've got us taking Jason Smith, who I think is the second best tackle in this draft.

Everette Brown

[majesstik1]

Now that Selvie is returning, I think Orakpo goes before we pick. That means both Raji and Orakpo might be gone when we pick. That's the scenario in my mock (which I haven't updated yet):

1. Detroit - Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
2. St. Louis - Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
3. Kansas City - Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State
4. Seattle - Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
5. Cleveland - Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest
6. Cincinnati - Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
7. Oakland - Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
8. Jacksonville - B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College
9. Green Bay - Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi

Very interested to see where you'd go in this scenario. I've got us taking Jason Smith, who I think is the second best tackle in this draft.

Everette Brown would be my choice. Followed by Maclin or Moreno.

Jason Smith is not a top 20 guy for me. I've seen him play for the last two years, and even though he's got some speed out at the second level, he doesn't have great lateral quickness. And Staley is better as our LT, and I doubt we'd spend top 10 money on a rookie RT. Monroe and Oher are better tackles, and Andre is still a better OL prospect than Jason.

[Kenage]

Everette Brown would be my choice. Followed by Maclin or Moreno.

Jason Smith is not a top 20 guy for me. I've seen him play for the last two years, and even though he's got some speed out at the second level, he doesn't have great lateral quickness. And Staley is better as our LT, and I doubt we'd spend top 10 money on a rookie RT. Monroe and Oher are better tackles, and Andre is still a better OL prospect than Jason.

So you would be fine with the Niners taking a RB at No. 10 in the draft Maj? I think if the draft went like that 1-9 we should trade down and maybe take a QB late 1st (Davis) or whatever OT is left (depending on what we do in FA.)

Edit to add I do not know that much about Brown but he sounds like a good player for us. We really need a pass rush threat on the outside. Who would be the better 3-4 LB Maj. Brown or Orakpo?

[majesstik1]

So you would be fine with the Niners taking a RB at No. 10 in the draft Maj? I think if the draft went like that 1-9 we should trade down and maybe take a QB late 1st (Davis) or whatever OT is left (depending on what we do in FA.)

Brown is the PRS we're looking for.

Maclin and Moreno are the home-run threats we lack.

I'd be fine with about 12 guys at our pick, and just as happy to trade down if the right deal is available.

[Max_Power]

Selvie never affected where Rak was going(Brown might)...for how good Selvie is he was going mid to late rd 1...right now the only team besides us I see going for Raji is Jax...

Packers???

[SB49er4life]

Brown is the PRS we're looking for.

Maclin and Moreno are the home-run threats we lack.

I'd be fine with about 12 guys at our pick, and just as happy to trade down if the right deal is available.

I agree.

I like Mays, but you won't hear a complaint out of me if we go with any of these guys:

BJ Raji
Everette Brown
Brian Orakpo
Knowshon Moreno
Andre Smith (assuming he's there)
Rey Maualuga (I know he's not a huge need, but he will make our D better)
Michael Crabtree (If he's there)
Malcolm Jenkins
Jeremy Maclin

[r0b81]

Packers???

They have money in Harrell and some others don't they. If anything they need another PR to help out Kampman.

[Max_Power]

I agree.

I like Mays, but you won't hear a complaint out of me if we go with any of these guys:

BJ Raji
Everette Brown
Brian Orakpo
Knowshon Moreno
Andre Smith (assuming he's there)
Rey Maualuga (I know he's not a huge need, but he will make our D better)
Michael Crabtree (If he's there)
Malcolm Jenkins
Jeremy Maclin

WTF? You have stinky overrated Rey, but not the best LB to come out in years?

[OsBoogie]

WTF? You have stinky overrated Rey, but not the best LB to come out in years?

hahaha... why does he have to be stinky though?

[Max_Power]

hahaha... why does he have to be stinky though?

Samoans just look stinky. Look at Polamalu. He looks like he hasn't washed his hair in years.

[ManCans]

Everette Brown would be my choice. Followed by Maclin or Moreno.

Jason Smith is not a top 20 guy for me. I've seen him play for the last two years, and even though he's got some speed out at the second level, he doesn't have great lateral quickness. And Staley is better as our LT, and I doubt we'd spend top 10 money on a rookie RT. Monroe and Oher are better tackles, and Andre is still a better OL prospect than Jason.That's funny, I think Brown is barely a top-20 prospect. His production came in spurts, and he got washed out way too easily by good (not great) tackles. He has very poor technique, and doesn't play the run very well at all (doesn't seem concerned about setting the edge).

Honestly, it seems like your analysis of Smith is outdated. True, he didn't slide well as a junior, but he made remarkable progress as a senior. By the end of 2008, his kick-slide was quite impressive.

[majesstik1]

That's funny, I think Brown is barely a top-20 prospect. His production came in spurts, and he got washed out way too easily by good (not great) tackles. He has very poor technique, and doesn't play the run very well at all (doesn't seem concerned about setting the edge).

Honestly, it seems like your analysis of Smith is outdated. True, he didn't slide well as a junior, but he made remarkable progress as a senior. By the end of 2008, his kick-slide was quite impressive.

I've got plenty of notes of Brown holding his own against the run, either setting the edge correctly, or working through a block to make a tackle (one such note has him working one way, jumping to the inside against a block and then coming back across the blocker to the other side to make the tackle for no gain on a Skinner QB keeper). His technique isn't perfect, but it's functional. He has a variety of pass rush moves which make him intriguing. He's athletic and is a hustler...there aren't really any pass rushers much better in this class.

My last notes for Smith are from October, so maybe you're right that he made improvement. I still didn't see a franchise LT when I saw him though. He got beat a couple of time by Cody Brown in the UConn game, and Brown isn't exactly an elite prospect.

Perhaps this speaks more to how weak the upper end of this draft is. There are very few "must have" guys, and quite a few "sure I'll take 'ems". The prospects are still pretty interchangeable at this point. I'm just not as high on Smith as you are right now.

[ManCans]

I've got plenty of notes of Brown holding his own against the run, either setting the edge correctly, or working through a block to make a tackle (one such note has him working one way, jumping to the inside against a block and then coming back across the blocker to the other side to make the tackle for no gain on a Skinner QB keeper). His technique isn't perfect, but it's functional. He has a variety of pass rush moves which make him intriguing. He's athletic and is a hustler...there aren't really any pass rushers much better in this class.I don't have the Wake Forest game on DVR (not enough space, even with an extra drive). I've got Boston College, Maryland, Florida, and Wisconsin (haven't watched the bowl game yet). Maybe my sample isn't very good because he didn't play well against at least two of those opponents, and they didn't have elite offensive lines. I've only seen two pass rush moves from him so far -- a spin move and a rip that can be effective. I guess you could say he has a bull rush, but I'd describe it more like giving the offensive tackle a hug. I've also seen him try to take different angles, but I haven't seen a good swim move, nor have I seen him bend his body significantly. As for the run, yes I've seen him make backfield tackles when the play is near him, but I've seldom seen him force the running play back inside, or chase down a running back in backside pursuit. Heck, his sack total and tackles for loss are almost equal to his total tackle count. That tells me that he's a MUCH better pass rusher than run defender, and I reserve top-10 status for defensive ends that play both well (even Orakpo barely makes my top-10).

The only reason he's still in my top-20 is because of the reasons you stated above.

[ManCans]

I said before I like Brown ONLY if we play a 43 D...I don't like him @ the OLB spot...I don't think he will be strong setting the edge and don't see him doing anything in cov(out of a 2 point stance)...his best bet is with his hand down getting after the QB IMO...I'd even go as far as saying he'd be best in a cover-2 scheme. He has the athleticism to be a 3-4 OLB, but his best attribute is his quickness out of a 3-point stance.

[majesstik1]

I said before I like Brown ONLY if we play a 43 D...I don't like him @ the OLB spot...I don't think he will be strong setting the edge and don't see him doing anything in cov(out of a 2 point stance)...his best bet is with his hand down getting after the QB IMO...

I tend to agree with that. He will be at his best if he gets drafted by a 43 team. However, I'm not going to rule him out of the 34 yet. He reminds me of Lawson, who has made a decent transition, just not as the pass rusher we thought he was going to be coming out. But Lawson has been effective vs the run and in coverage. To get the most out of Brown as a pass rusher, he needs to be in the 43.

[majesstik1]

I don't have the Wake Forest game on DVR (not enough space, even with an extra drive). I've got Boston College, Maryland, Florida, and Wisconsin (haven't watched the bowl game yet). Maybe my sample isn't very good because he didn't play well against at least two of those opponents, and they didn't have elite offensive lines. I've only seen two pass rush moves from him so far -- a spin move and a rip that can be effective. I guess you could say he has a bull rush, but I'd describe it more like giving the offensive tackle a hug. I've also seen him try to take different angles, but I haven't seen a good swim move, nor have I seen him bend his body significantly. As for the run, yes I've seen him make backfield tackles when the play is near him, but I've seldom seen him force the running play back inside, or chase down a running back in backside pursuit. Heck, his sack total and tackles for loss are almost equal to his total tackle count. That tells me that he's a MUCH better pass rusher than run defender, and I reserve top-10 status for defensive ends that play both well (even Orakpo barely makes my top-10).

The only reason he's still in my top-20 is because of the reasons you stated above.

Do you have a DVD burner...we should trade discs :)

[grod49]

A no frills update, just the picks...

01. Detroit - Eugene Monroe, LT, UVA
02. St. Louis - Andre Smith, OT, bama
03. Kansas City - Matthew Stafford, QB, UGA
04. Seattle - Michael Crabtree, WR, TT
05. Cleveland - Malcolm Jenkins, CB/S, OSU
06. Cincinnati - Michael Oher, OT, Miss
07. Oakland - Aaron Curry, LB, Wake
08. Jacksonville - B.J. Raji, DT, BC
09. Green Bay - George Selvie, DE, USF
10. San Francisco - Brian Orakpo, DE, Tex
11. Buffalo - Everette Brown, DE, FSU
12. Denver - Brandon Spikes, LB, UF
13. Washington - Peria Jerry, DT, Miss
14. New Orleans - Taylor Mays, S, USC
15. Houston - William Moore, S, Zou
16. San Diego - Alex Mack, C/G, Cal
17. New York Jets - Jeremy Maclin, WR, Zou
18. Chicago - Macho Harris, CB/S, VT
19. Tampa Bay - Nate Davis, QB, Ball St
20. Detroit (from Dallas) - Michael Johnson, DE, GT
21. Arizona - Knowshon Moreno, RB, UGA
22. Philadelphia - Jason Smith, OT, Bay
23. Minnesota - Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake
24. New England - Brian Cushing, LB, USC
25. Atlanta - Tyson Jackson, DE/DT, LSU
26. Miami - Clint Sintim, LB, UVA
27. Baltimore - Vonte Davis, CB, Ill
28. Philadelphia (from Carolina) - Brandon Pettigrew, TE, OkSt
29. Indianapolis - Tyronne Green, G, Aub
30. Pittsburgh - Eben Britton, OT, Arz
31. New York Giants - Hakeem Nicks, WR, UNC
32. Tennessee - Percy Harvin, WR, UF
33. Detroit - Josh Freeman, QB, KSU
34. Kansas City - Beanie Wells, RB, OSU
35. St. Louis - Rey Maualuga, LB, USC
36. Cleveland - Shonn Green, RB, Iowa
37. Seattle - Duke Robinson, G, OU
38. Cincinnati - Greg Hardy, DE, Miss
39. Jacksonville - Mike Mickens, CB, Cinc
40. Oakland - Darius Heyward-Bey, WR, Mary
41. Green Bay - James Laurinaitis, LB, OSU
42. Buffalo - Jermaine Gresham, TE, OU
43. San Francisco - Rashad Johnson, S, bama



07. Oakland - Aaron Curry, LB, Wake The raiders dont need a LB


09. Green Bay - George Selvie, DE, USF slevie is staying in school

19. Tampa Bay - Nate Davis, QB, Ball St HE is not a 1st rounder

35. St. Louis - Rey Maualuga, LB, USC No way he isn't a 1st rounder

[pickelweasel]

Hey Maj, if Bradford declares, where do you have him?

I have a hard time believing that teams would be able to resist him in the very early first.

[majesstik1]

07. Oakland - Aaron Curry, LB, Wake The raiders dont need a LB


09. Green Bay - George Selvie, DE, USF slevie is staying in school

19. Tampa Bay - Nate Davis, QB, Ball St HE is not a 1st rounder

35. St. Louis - Rey Maualuga, LB, USC No way he isn't a 1st rounder

Curry is the best athlete/player available there, which will be hard for Al Davis to pass on. They do not draft for need, they draft for speed.

This was done before Selvie announced his intentions.

We'll see on Davis and Maualuga.

Thanks for playing. We'll have some nice parting gifts for you at the door.

Hey Maj, if Bradford declares, where do you have him?

I have a hard time believing that teams would be able to resist him in the very early first.

I have a lower opinion of him than most internet draft-niks. That system helps him more than he helps himself. He is accurate, but he's not particularly football savvy and doesn't look like a top 20 guy to me. I'm curious to hear what real scouts think about him should he announce his intentions. Pro scouts don't talk about underclassmen during this time, and even after they declare, they take some time to go back and review everything, so there will be no "industry" word on him for a while. Right now, I'd probably put him in the late 1st early 2nd.

[ManCans]

Do you have a DVD burner...we should trade discs :)Just on my computer. I really need to take some time to learn how to do that. ;)

[grod49]

Curry is the best athlete/player available there, which will be hard for Al Davis to pass on. They do not draft for need, they draft for speed.
This was done before Selvie announced his intentions.

We'll see on Davis and Maualuga.

Thanks for playing. We'll have some nice parting gifts for you at the door.



I have a lower opinion of him than most internet draft-niks. That system helps him more than he helps himself. He is accurate, but he's not particularly football savvy and doesn't look like a top 20 guy to me. I'm curious to hear what real scouts think about him should he announce his intentions. Pro scouts don't talk about underclassmen during this time, and even after they declare, they take some time to go back and review everything, so there will be no "industry" word on him for a while. Right now, I'd probably put him in the late 1st early 2nd.

They dont need a fast LB they already have 2 fast ones in Morrison and Thomas Howard who plays faster than any other LB in the League in my opinion. Not to mention they have a couple of other very fast LB's off the bench.

[majesstik1]

They dont need a fast LB they already have 2 fast ones in Morrison and Thomas Howard who plays faster than any other LB in the League in my opinion. Not to mention they have a couple of other very fast LB's off the bench.

oh.