6th overall pick Vernon Gholston- inactive against the bills

[AndyLeeMVP]

Just saw this from reading a jets board..

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/jets/2008/12/vernon-a-no-gho.html


Vernon Gholston, take a seat.
The Jets' top draft pick, the sixth overall choice, was declared inactive for today's game against the Bills - a mildly surprising development. Gholston has been a major disappointment, and this confirms how far he has dropped in the eyes of the organization. Some have felt that he should've been inactive weeks ago, that the club kept him active because it didn't want to admit the obvious.
Gholston was not listed on the injury report, so this appears to be a coaching decision.


Im not going to call Gholston a bust because its way to soon to declare that- but ****. The 6th overall pick being a healthy scratch? Especially this late in the season...

[pogoowner]

I said he'd be a bust before he was drafted. I haven't been proven correct as of yet, but it's not looking good for him.

[dhiLL]

the guy's been overrated. Perfect example that speed beats power.

Here's Vernon Gholston, so buff that he cant even whipe his own ***.
I gurantee you that Michael Johnson, the DE who just happens to be a sprinter will be a much better pro.

I might be wrong, but wasn't Gholston known as a speedy pass rusher in college?

[Zhero06]

4.64 in the 40 vs. 37 reps on the bench.
6'4 260 with a body like this:

http://images.silverandblackpride.com/images/admin/Ghost.jpg

i know he was a pass rusher but i wouldnt say speedy.

****, so would Orakpo be bad then? They would be kind of similar in that they are the body builder types.:headhurts: Look like Tarzan, play like Jane.

[Gof the Gij]

the guy's been overrated. Perfect example that speed beats power.

Here's Vernon Gholston, so buff that he cant even whipe his own ***.
I gurantee you that Michael Johnson, the DE who just happens to be a sprinter will be a much better pro.

Michael Johnson will be crap in the pros.

And how exactly is a 4.64 40 slow for a defensive end?

[rygeorge]

Don't the Jets have him playing OLB though in the 3-4? Maybe as a 4-3 DE without coverage responsibilities and with his hand on the ground he'll be much better.

[Tovey21]

Yeah maybe he's just not a good fit for the 3-4. Not every defensive end can make the switch to linebacker.

[NyNinerFan]

don't know what kinda memory u guys have or not, but although he had 8 sacks in his rookie year and was never inactive, DeMarcus Ware was very much a hit or miss, hot and cold lookin' player early on..

IMO, Mangini isn't using him properly. he wants him to become a complete linebacker and not just a 1 dimensional rusher.. however, if your team is having such a hard time lately at getting pressure on the passer, the least u can do is just have him out there on passing downs as an extra rusher.. it makes no sense whatsoever for you to make him inactive.

[NyNinerFan]

When he has played, he is pretty much invisible on the field. So why have him out there if he doesn’t make a difference?

to get him some on-field, game experience..

that's what good teams do with their rookies.. even if it's 6-7 snaps a game.. it'll be worthwhile come the next season.

would it help us long term to just make Balmer inactive the rest of the year?? because he's pretty much been invisible all season too.. we're doing the right thing by slowly and gradually getting him out on the field in goal line and short yardage packages, and also in some rotations with the other D-lineman.. it can't hurt his development to have him on the field playing.

[Montana_Magic]

the least u can do is just have him out there on passing downs as an extra rusher.. it makes no sense whatsoever for you to make him inactive.

When he has played, he is pretty much invisible on the field. So why have him out there if he doesn’t make a difference?

[The OLD Cookie Monster]

to get him some on-field, game experience..

that's what good teams do with their rookies.. even if it's 6-7 snaps a game.. it'll be worthwhile come the next season.

would it help us long term to just make Balmer inactive the rest of the year?? because he's pretty much been invisible all season too.. we're doing the right thing by slowly and gradually getting him out on the field in goal line and short yardage packages, and also in some rotations with the other D-lineman.. it can't hurt his development to have him on the field playing.

It can sure hurt the team though, Gholston on the field is a liability, and the Jets are in the playoff race.

[NyNinerFan]

Look at the Niners. Now look at the Jets. What's the difference? One is in the playoff hunt, one is not. Obviously the team with nothing to lose should see what they have in their younger players.

and a team like the Jets who are in the playoff hunt and are having as much trouble as they are having at rushing the passer should look for the best ones they have.. Gholdston being inactive is just one example of the clueless things that Mangini has done with the Jets team and him and his coaching staff collectively are the biggest reason their team is underachieving.

[Montana_Magic]

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would it help us long term to just make Balmer inactive the rest of the year?? because he's pretty much been invisible all season too..

Look at the Niners. Now look at the Jets. What's the difference? One is in the playoff hunt, one is not. Obviously the team with nothing to lose should see what they have in their younger players.

[NyNinerFan]

It can sure hurt the team though, Gholston on the field is a liability, and the Jets are in the playoff race.

Mangini is the biggest liability in the Jets organization.

If he would've helped to simplify Gholston's workload and develop him slowly, he'd be a lot further ahead on the curve than he is now.

[NyNinerFan]

And right now Gholston is one of the best?

if he was being utilized properly, he'd be a lot better off than he is right now.

Like I said.. Mangini is the biggest liability the Jets have today. This is just one of MANY examples of how he's held his team back with his methods of coaching.

[SB49er4life]

I had a feeling Gholston might best and I even said so before the draft.

He just doesn't have that "mean streak" that you want in a pass rusher.

DE/OLB is a position that is a lot easier to transition to in the NFL than other positions like DB, WR or QB because it's a position that relies on pure athleticism and instinct more so than other positions.

There is no reason for him to at least not be on the field.

[Montana_Magic]

and a team like the Jets who are in the playoff hunt and are having as much trouble as they are having at rushing the passer should look for the best ones they have..

And right now Gholston is one of the best?

[Montana_Magic]

if he was being utilized properly, he'd be a lot better off than he is right now.

So lets say he hasn't been used properly. You have to admit the smart move now is to deactivate him for games (where you can use an extra player at another pos). Cause as much as you hate Mangini now, imagine this press conference:

"Well, we should have had an extra lineman active for the game...But you know, I had to keep Gholston active so he could get 6-7 snaps...He didn't do anything with those snaps...But I had to do it."

[NyNinerFan]

So lets say he hasn't been used properly. You have to admit the smart move now is to deactivate him for games (where you can use an extra player at another pos). Cause as much as you hate Mangini now, imagine this press conference:

"Well, we should have had an extra lineman active for the game...But you know, I had to keep Gholston active so he could get 6-7 snaps...He didn't do anything with those snaps...But I had to do it."

first of all, I don't hate Mangini.

i'm just holding him accountable for how pitiful he is at his job.

to knock Gholston left and right just because he's being deactivated is a bit misguided.. that's all i'm saying..

no team develops their young linebackers better than the Steelers.. and i can assure you that if he was with Pittsburgh and in THAT particular 3-4 scheme, he'd not only be contributing more than he is now, but he would've been developing enough (as quick or slow as it may have been) to the point where NEXT season he would be close to a breakout season.. (see Lamarr Woodley; who the 49ers passed up on twice i might add.. :nonono:)

[Nelson]

I thought Gholston was a 'Blue Chipper' on this board. A cant miss player according to a few on here.

Its quite wierd too cause I've been looking for him on the Jets gameday stats page on NFL.com and he's hardly been there. I thaught he was on IR to be honest.

[4evrnyt]

I sure wish there was some magic potion that could be sent out to all football fans house so that after taking this elixir everyone would understand that you cant even begin to question if a guy is a bust until at least his 3rd year.

Calling this kid a bust 15 games through his first year only shows how stupid the people are that are even suggesting it.

[NyNinerFan]

I am not knocking him bec of what happened. I just stated that he has been invisible on the field. Even in the preseason, he did nothing. That is the reason why he was a healthy scratch.

that's fair enough..

[Montana_Magic]

to knock Gholston left and right just because he's being deactivated is a bit misguided.. that's all i'm saying..


I am not knocking him bec of what happened. I just stated that he has been invisible on the field. Even in the preseason, he did nothing. That is the reason why he was a healthy scratch.

[Gof the Gij]

it isnt slow, where did i say he was slow? please point that out and get back to me on that one.

You said he wasn't speedy, using his 4.64 40 as evidence.

That's pretty friggin' quick for a DE.

[SB49er4life]

don't know what kinda memory u guys have or not, but although he had 8 sacks in his rookie year and was never inactive, DeMarcus Ware was very much a hit or miss, hot and cold lookin' player early on..

IMO, Mangini isn't using him properly. he wants him to become a complete linebacker and not just a 1 dimensional rusher.. however, if your team is having such a hard time lately at getting pressure on the passer, the least u can do is just have him out there on passing downs as an extra rusher.. it makes no sense whatsoever for you to make him inactive.

8 Sacks > 0 playing time.

Common, man, there is NO comparison between Ware and Gholston's rookie years. None.

"Hot and cold" is a far cry from "cold".

Darrelle Revis, Dwight Lowery and David Harris all got extensive playing time as rookies... maybe Gholson is just soft.

[SB49er4life]

You said he wasn't speedy, using his 4.64 40 as evidence.

That's pretty friggin' quick for a DE.

Well, not compared to true speed-rusher DE's like Dwight Freeney, Simeon Rice, Jevon Kearse, etc.

I agree though that 4.64 is good for a DE... but it's not anything special compared to the fastes DE's in the NFL.

Also, if your DE is ever running 40 yds in a game, it's because SOMEBODY ****ed up big time.

[SourdoughTony]

A 6th overall pick named Vernon not living up to expectations? Sounds familiar...

[bilwit]

A 6th overall pick named Vernon not living up to expectations? Sounds familiar...

Gholston doesn't fit the 3-4.

[NyNinerFan]

8 Sacks > 0 playing time.

Common, man, there is NO comparison between Ware and Gholston's rookie years. None.

"Hot and cold" is a far cry from "cold".

Darrelle Revis, Dwight Lowery and David Harris all got extensive playing time as rookies... maybe Gholson is just soft.

i'm not there in the practices, so i don't know what it is.

Harris, Lowery, and Revis all played extensively as rookies for the most part because the team had no choice but to start them.. There simply wasn't anyone else at those positions who were worth starting. Revis immediately becames the best corner on the team the moment he signed (similar to us drafting and signing Willis).

Lowery played very well, but that #2 corner spot was a wide open competition all year and he never got any real comp from any of the other mediocre talents who were challenging him.

Same goes with David Harris..

With VG, you already had Shaun Ellis and just signed megabucks to Calvin Pace. So the likelihood of him being a starter right away wasn't very likely. I'm sure if his talent overshined to the point where they would have no choice but to put him on the field, then he would be gettin' more time; i'm not denying that. I'm just sayin' that if you're gonna use the other three players as rookies playin', the dynamics were very much different for those other guys..

[dhiLL]

With VG, you already had Shaun Ellis and just signed megabucks to Calvin Pace.

Isn't Shaun Ellis a 3-4 DE and Gholston an OLB?

[SBbound49ers]

Isn't Shaun Ellis a 3-4 DE and Gholston an OLB?

Yeah, but even Brian Thomas and David Bowens get more PT.

[NyNinerFan]

Isn't Shaun Ellis a 3-4 DE and Gholston an OLB?

true.. my fault.. i actually meant Bryan Thomas.. i always get Shaun Ellis confused with Greg Ellis as DE/OLB combo's.. especially when both of them were in 4-3's and now they're both in 3-4's, and one is an end, the other a linebacker/hybrid.. i get all confused! :francis: lol

[Leeding49er]

Far too early to call him a bust - but all that money on the sidelines? The 9ers would never do that ...

[dhimiter]

I knew he was overrated from jump, he had a lot of question marks he is just one of those guys, in the gym they are all pros on the field they are all shmos.

[co2112]

Don't the Jets have him playing OLB though in the 3-4? Maybe as a 4-3 DE without coverage responsibilities and with his hand on the ground he'll be much better.

thats what I thought this was all about, put him on the line instead and see if he can rotate with the starters at end.

[SB49er4life]

i'm not there in the practices, so i don't know what it is.

Harris, Lowery, and Revis all played extensively as rookies for the most part because the team had no choice but to start them.. There simply wasn't anyone else at those positions who were worth starting. Revis immediately becames the best corner on the team the moment he signed (similar to us drafting and signing Willis).

Lowery played very well, but that #2 corner spot was a wide open competition all year and he never got any real comp from any of the other mediocre talents who were challenging him.

Same goes with David Harris..

With VG, you already had Shaun Ellis and just signed megabucks to Calvin Pace. So the likelihood of him being a starter right away wasn't very likely. I'm sure if his talent overshined to the point where they would have no choice but to put him on the field, then he would be gettin' more time; i'm not denying that. I'm just sayin' that if you're gonna use the other three players as rookies playin', the dynamics were very much different for those other guys..

I understand that the Jets have good OLB's and already took that into consideration before I said what I said.

All things considered, there is no reason why he shouldn't be at least seeing a decent amount of snaps and ROTATING into each game. He doesn't need to have 10 sacks to avoid the "bust" label, but it would nice to know he's making SOME kinda difference on the field.