McShay has us taking Crabtree

[colo49ergyrl]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=3803164

10. San Francisco 49ers (7-9) -- Michael Crabtree**, WR, Texas Tech
Teams are cooling on taking wide receivers early in the draft. Last year not one receiver was selected in the first round. The Niners would have to think long and hard about passing on Crabtree, though. This third-year sophomore appears to be an exception to the rule. Crabtree is a physical pass-catcher with the vision, hands, body control and run-after-catch ability to quickly emerge as a premier pass-catcher at the next level.

Well definitely not who I want at #10. Also, after watching the Rose Bowl today, I don't think I would go with Mays either. I would really like to see us go after a pass rusher. I just think that the lack of pressure on the QB is killing us more than anything else. I know that we need to get Roman out of there, but if we can get a legit pass rusher it would take some of the pressure off of the need for a FS.

[ClobberHouse]

I do not see Singletary's first signature draft being a WR. It will be defense or an O-line player.

[Mudd]

I agree, that I don't see us taking a WR with our first pick. But, if Crabtree is there at our pick, it's going to VERY hard to pass him up.

[NinersFanatic]

He won't drop to us but if he does, I think that's the direction we'll go in.

[650Niners]

Yeah, and we had Jackson last year...

[pickelweasel]

I'd be blown away if he fell to us, and it certainly would be hard to pass on him.

[JDAP88]

its certainly possible if he falls to us. Well prolly address the o-line in free-agency and i think well go after suggs as well. Then id still trade up and draft Nate Davis. It would balence out our team pretty well. Imagin Crabtree and Morgan with Davis throwin gthem the ball. Well be set for years. Crabtree is one of my "sure things" in this draft

[JRO49]

Him Morgan at 2 and Hill in the slot...

I'm drooling

[JDAP88]

Maybin at 6! has Mcshay gone mad!

[yayareawarrior]

definetely wouldn't mind the pick, but I dont think he will last past the raiders/maybe seahawks...

[JRO49]

its certainly possible if he falls to us. Well prolly address the o-line in free-agency and i think well go after suggs as well. Then id still trade up and draft Nate Davis. It would balence out out team pretty well

I wouldn't trade up for Davis that high. Maybe we would traDE OUR FISRT OF NEXT YEAR FOR A LATE FIRST this year to snag him kinda like Flacco got snagged.

If we got Crabtree and Davis, that would just be pure sexiness.

[JRO49]

Maybin at 6! has Mcshay gone mad!

Apparently McShay really loves Maybin. He is rated as a top 10 player.


For some reason a lot of scouts think he is the best pass rusher, better than Orakpo and Brown, and Selvie...

I don't think he's THAT good. lol

[JDAP88]

I wouldn't trade up for Davis that high. Maybe we would traDE OUR FISRT OF NEXT YEAR FOR A LATE FIRST this year to snag him kinda like Flacco got snagged.

If we got Crabtree and Davis, that would just be pure sexiness.

i mean after we draft crabtree, we should trade up from the second to grab another 1st round pick to take davis. Theres no need in risking loosing a future star. and yes Crabtree and Davis is hella sexy

[JRO49]

Crabtree = Vernon Davis in 2006.

They are very similar

[JDAP88]

Crabtree = Vernon Davis in 2006.

they are not similar at all. Vernon got drafted high because of his combine. Crabtree will be drafted high because of Production

[JDAP88]

:dootdoot::dootdoot::dootdoot::dootdoot:

I think itll take a year or so for Morgan and Davis and Crabtree to mesh though. And i think Davis could get Vernon Davis the ball

[JRO49]

i mean after we draft crabtree, we should trade up from the second to grab another 1st round pick to take davis. Theres no need in risking loosing a future star. and yes Crabtree and Davis is hella sexy

:dootdoot::dootdoot::dootdoot::dootdoot:

[WhistlingMtn]

they are not similar at all. Vernon got drafted high because of his combine. Crabtree will be drafted high because of Production

Yea, they're quite opposite as far as why they'll be drafted.

If Crabtree fell to 10 it would be quite interesting though. Both in thinking about taking him and opening up the actual possibility of a trade down that could net something worth while.

McShay's POV on the "cool" on receivers is funny though, a draft analyst not realizing that draft quirks are not trends. There will be at least 3 WRs taken in the first round this year.

[JDAP88]

wow! now i cant get that possibility of us getting crabtree and davis of my mind. For the past couple of years our Defense has been funner to watch. Now this would even it out.

I dont think Crabtrees combine will be that bad. I think hell impree people with his bench and shuttl and vertical. What is his 40 time?

[49ersforlife5x]

Well, McGay is full of **** to begin with. But, we wouldn't take him anyhow. He won't get to number 10. If Seattle doesn't take him, Oakland or Cincy will. Cincy is probably going to lose at least one of their 2 starting receivers this offseason. So, my guess is they might take him.

[JRO49]

wow! now i cant get that possibility of us getting crabtree and davis of my mind. For the past couple of years our Defense has been funner to watch. Now this would even it out.

I dont think Crabtrees combine will be that bad. I think hell impree people with his bench and shuttl and vertical. What is his 40 time?

around a 4.4

he could probably run a 4.39, but we will see what he runs.

If he runs a 4.37 I'll be sold. The knack on Crabs is his speed, not his hands, or physical ability, or his running after the catch (runs like a RB)

[JDAP88]

around a 4.4

he could probably run a 4.39, but we will see what he runs.

If he runs a 4.37 I'll be sold. The knack on Crabs is his speed, not his hands, or physical ability, or his running after the catch (runs like a RB)

If he runs a 4.4 ill be happy. I think well get an o-lineman in FA. and i think well get Suggs. SO i wouldnt mind drafting crabtree if he makes it. It would be very very hard to pass him up if hes available even if rajji is there. And i am very worried on us missing out on Nate Davis.

[49ersz]

If he falls to us then draft him but highly doubt it

[JRO49]

If he runs a 4.4 ill be happy. I think well get an o-lineman in FA. and i think well get Suggs. SO i wouldnt mind drafting crabtree if he makes it. It would be very very hard to pass him up if hes available even if rajji is there. And i am very worried on us missing out on Nate Davis.

This team needs a QB, I know Shaun Hill can lead us for now, but he isn't the long term solution.

It's the most important position for this roster.

[JDAP88]

This team needs a QB, I know Shaun Hill can lead us for now, but he isn't the long term solution.

It's the most important position for this roster.

And thats the truth...
.... with some cheese on it

[49ersfaith4ever]

If we were to take Crabtree at #10 and were to trade back into the first round I don't think I would want to take Davis, although that would be good but I think that we would trade back up around #20 and take B.J. Raji which would be the big body we would need to free up our pass rushers to create more pressure on the QB. I think Crabtree and Raji in the first round is an amazing start to Sing's career.

[_Jerden]

theres no way he drops that far. He is talented.

[NinerCapHell]

can't complain if he falls into our laps.

[49ersforlife5x]

Just say no to WR's. We don't need them badly enough to waste that high a pick, and that much money on a nothing position.

Haven't I said this a few hundred times before?

[Pound th' Rock]

If he's there at 10, we should take him. I don't care if he runs a 4.38 or a 4.60. The dude can flat out play. Brandon Marshall and Anquan Boldin aren't the fastest timed guys, but they are ballers.

Crabtree is going to be a LEGIT receiver in the NFL. His hands are absurdly good.

[Southpaw]

We drop Martz and install an run first system then draft a 1st round WR and trade back into the 1st for a QB. Now I would not have a problem with this at all, in fact I would love it, but it just seems.......... ironic.

It sure would not be easy for the other team to stack the box against us if we have Crabtree and Morgan at the corners and Davis on the line.

[jmichura]

I doubt he falls to us. But if he does and we don't take him, I would be very upset.

[roleplay3r1]

If he runs a 4.37 I'll be sold. The knack on Crabs is his speed, not his hands, or physical ability, or his running after the catch (runs like a RB)

You're going to base whether or not you think he plays fast by what time he runs in shorts?

[jmichura]

There was a reciever from Hawaii last year who i wanted with a 6th or 7th round pick because he ran a 4.7....maybe even a 4.8

goes by the name of Davone Bess.

Yeah, and he did a pretty well against Clements.

[roleplay3r1]

When i was in h.s. we had a WR that was 6'7 and ran a 4.6 but he was lazy as **** and a result a lot of DB's would climb the ladder and bat passes down. On the other hand our other reciever was 5'10 if that and a step slower but you would never see anyone out leap him or come back for the ball harder then he would which is what really make Bess and Crabtree for that matter so good. They flat out want it!

There's also the fact that Bess(and Grice-Mullen for that matter) were very quick, good route runners with great hands.

[Gof the Gij]

That would be beautiful if we got Crabtree. With Shaun Hill's accuracy and Michael Crabtree's RAC ability, they would be vicious in a west coast offense.

[Leeding49er]

Crabtree is obvious a strong talent, and as a BPA guy, if the 9ers got him at 10, I wouldn't be dissapointed. WR is not quite in the NT / RT need category, and generally I'm cool on picking up WR in the first, but the team still doesn't have a true number 1 wideout, and Crabtree has the potential to become the top target for the 9ers QB.

[Hobbes2d]

people look way too much at the 40 and not enough at the 3 cone drill.

speed times are overrated for receivers period. Just watch the tape. Do they get good separation? Do they run good or great routes? Are they lazy in their routes? How do they accelerate in and out of their breaks? Do they attack the ball? Do they catch with their body or hands? No matter how slow or small a guy is, if he runs good routes he can be a good player in the NFL and make a living out of the slot. Guaranteed.

[NinersFanatic]

Yeah, and he did a pretty well against Clements.

Of course, that's because Clements 40 time isn't as good.

[JDAP88]

That would be beautiful if we got Crabtree. With Nate Davis' accuracy and Michael Crabtree's RAC ability, they would be vicious in a west coast offense.

Fixed. i think well get this guy

[JDAP88]

Of course, that's because Clements 40 time isn't as good.

Nate Clements? didnt he run a 4.3 at his combine

[scotty_dogg]

I still dont understand how so many people on nthis meessage boards of all them can be talking so highly about 40 times.

Has everyone already forgotten about Jerry Rice. He wasn't the fastest guy on the team but he'd run you out of your ankle tape.

[JRO49]

Look I'm just saying the knock on Crabtree is his speed and his draft stock will be affected by it. Even though that would be ridiculous, it's what happens. Personally I wouldn't care about it unless he ran like a 4.7, but he could drop because of something silly like that.

[Nevyn]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=3803164



Well definitely not who I want at #10. Also, after watching the Rose Bowl today, I don't think I would go with Mays either. I would really like to see us go after a pass rusher. I just think that the lack of pressure on the QB is killing us more than anything else. I know that we need to get Roman out of there, but if we can get a legit pass rusher it would take some of the pressure off of the need for a FS.

I would love to have Crabtree. I would love to see him fall to 10, but one way or another, I can't see us getting him. Singletary will not want his first pick to be a receiver. And if there are enough questions on Crabtree that he doesn't go top 5, there will be enough questions that we'll bypass him, too.

[duxstar]

I would love to have Crabtree. I would love to see him fall to 10, but one way or another, I can't see us getting him. Singletary will not want his first pick to be a receiver. And if there are enough questions on Crabtree that he doesn't go top 5, there will be enough questions that we'll bypass him, too.

Passing on Crabtree if he was there at the #10 spot would be the biggest draft mistake in franchise HISTORY. Yes Crabtree is that good, and yes passing on him would be worse than drafting rashaun woods, kwame harris, alex smith, giovanni carmazzi etc ......... He is the next legit WR in the NFL and barring injury we will be talking about him the same way we talk about Andre Johnson and Anquan Boldin right now.

[Texicali blue]

Why would we shift to a power running style then go and draft a WR at #10? Would be a bad move with more pressing needs to address.

Because he's one heck of a blocker!

[JRO49]

Because he's one heck of a blocker!

He actually is, might want to save the sarcasm there.

Crabtree does it all, blocks, catches, he's fast, he gets open, and has good attitude and work ethic. What more do you want? If Raji is gone and Crabtree is somehow available from :pray: than i would take him in a heartbeat.

He fits the style of WR the Niners like, big physical and run block downfield.

[Pnkpnther16]

McShay is an *****. Lets see what Mike Mayock says

Also...i thought crabtree wasnt even coming out

[Texicali blue]

He actually is, might want to save the sarcasm there.

Crabtree does it all, blocks, catches, he's fast, he gets open, and has good attitude and work ethic. What more do you want? If Raji is gone and Crabtree is somehow available from :pray: than i would take him in a heartbeat.

He fits the style of WR the Niners like, big physical and run block downfield.

Well, we wouldn't be drafting him for his blocking abilities, lol, hence, the sarcasm.

And, you don't need to sell me on how special a player he will be, I'm already sold, dude broke my heart this year and has been tearing it up for 2 years straight.

Winning the Bilitnekof award as a freshman was impressive, repeating as a sophomore was proof he's legit.

[Gof the Gij]

Why would we shift to a power running style then go and draft a WR at #10? Would be a bad move with more pressing needs to address.

No, it would be a silly move if Crabtree were a small, shifty guy. Even in the power running game, a big physical receiver is a huge asset. Look at Hines Ward in Pittsburgh - the biggest power running game there is, but he's racked up almost 10,000 yards over 11 seasons.

[JANiners]

I do not see Singletary's first signature draft being a WR. It will be defense or an O-line player.

If Crabtree fell to us and Singletary passed on him I would be pissed and very concerned about his "philosophy" on offense.

[49ersforlife5x]

McShay is an *****. Lets see what Mike Mayock says

Also...i thought crabtree wasnt even coming out

Mayock is easily the best draft analysist going. Nolan Nawrocki is ok, but he's too biased..

McGay is a joke!

[SB49er4life]

Crabtree = Vernon Davis in 2006.

That statement doesn't even make sense.

Vernon Davis was injured for 7 games and played in a run-first offense.. as a TE.

[NyNinerFan]

a little rule of thumb once draft time rolls around

if Mike Mayock doesn't say it, just completely discard it.

works for me every year.

[Pnkpnther16]

Mayock is easily the best draft analysist going. Nolan Nawrocki is ok, but he's too biased..

McGay is a joke!

99 of Mayock's top 100 went in the first 100 picks last year. Thats ridiculous

[NyNinerFan]

99 of Mayock's top 100 went in the first 100 picks last year. Thats ridiculous

the man is simply the best at it..

and it's not only that.. but he was the very first person to seriously mention Joe Flacco as a possible 1st rounder, and everyone was like "huhh?? whoo????"

he also fought off people tooth and nail who tried to say that Matt Ryan wasn't franchise quarterback material.. people called him a homer and said he was biased.. whatever.. so far he's been spot on right about each of their projections..

i trust his judgment on rookies entering the draft and what teams need and ought to look for more than anyone else in the business..

[49ersforlife5x]

99 of Mayock's top 100 went in the first 100 picks last year. Thats ridiculous

Yeah and he was a virtual psychic in the first round. He called the N.E. trade down to N.O. way before it happened. He called every pick before Goodell did.

[Nevyn]

Passing on Crabtree if he was there at the #10 spot would be the biggest draft mistake in franchise HISTORY. Yes Crabtree is that good, and yes passing on him would be worse than drafting rashaun woods, kwame harris, alex smith, giovanni carmazzi etc ......... He is the next legit WR in the NFL and barring injury we will be talking about him the same way we talk about Andre Johnson and Anquan Boldin right now.

What part of the first part of my post (where I said Id love to have him and he wont make it 10) did you not get.

Only way he falls that far is with bad interviews, bad workouts, and or injury worries showing up on the medical. And if he piles up enough negatives that 9 teams pass on him, our HC who wants to tun the ball, needs a QB , pass rushers and a RT will likely pass on him, too.

[49ersforlife5x]

the man is simply the best at it..

and it's not only that.. but he was the very first person to seriously mention Joe Flacco as a possible 1st rounder, and everyone was like "huhh?? whoo????"

he also fought off people tooth and nail who tried to say that Matt Ryan wasn't franchise quarterback material.. people called him a homer and said he was biased.. whatever.. so far he's been spot on right about each of their projections..

i trust his judgment on rookies entering the draft and what teams need and ought to look for more than anyone else in the business..

yeah, and he also said Kentwan Balmer was the right pick for us, and to this day I agree.

[Pnkpnther16]

Lets just label Mayock as GOD

[SourdoughTony]

I feel conflicted about this pick. I LOVE LOVE LOVE Morgan and Hill as our future receivers, so I really don't see a drastic need at the wide receiver position. We need desperate help in other areas such as right tackle, free safety, and outside linebacker. However, if you consider the best player available philosophy, Crabtree would make sense, and we'd be getting great value at that pick too since he's projected to go much higher.

Meh. I don't know. I doubt he'll fall to us, but it will certainly be interesting to see what happens if he did.

[NyNinerFan]

Lets just label Mayock as GOD

i think i'm at that point also.. i agree

[JRO49]

Well if you are watching the cotton bowl right now, he currently have a bad ankle, along with his slow speed, I do see him dropping to us.

Crabtree
Morgan
Hill


That is one hell of a WR core to be wrecking with in the next couple of years.

I agree that would be a great WR core for years. If we could just draft a young franchise QB, we would have one of the best and youngest offenses in th NFL. Our o-line is young too except for Heitman, and he's still in his prime.

[NyNinerFan]

yeah, and he also said Kentwan Balmer was the right pick for us, and to this day I agree.

i just have to hold on to the fact that i value his judgment as much as i do... .. because i appluaded the position (DL) pick moreso than the player..

i really hope he turns out to be right about that one

[bakersfield49er]

I'd like to both Harrell and Crabtree come to SF..Harrell reminds me of Brady and Crabtree is a beast. What round is Harrell projected?

[Gof the Gij]

Ugh, anyone but Harrell please...

[Pnkpnther16]

Ugh, anyone but Harrell please...

Before this game would you be saying that

[bakersfield49er]

Ugh, anyone but Harrell please...

whats bad about him? I see him read defenses, he has deceptive scrambling ability (I saw him ramble for like 35 yards vs Ole Miss today even making people miss), hes good with changing the play at the line of scrimmage, and hes got a good arm that can fire 50 yard passes down field instead of lob em up like Hill.

I just want to hear what you think so i can look for it while im watching the game.

[Gof the Gij]

Before this game would you be saying that

Yes, I've been saying he's crap all along.

[killertaco607]

Lets just label Mayock as GOD

he is the **** when it comes to draft analysts lol

[markiemarko]

I'm with you. I actually like alot of what Harrel does and think he would be a perfect project QB to snag in the 4th round. He has the intangibles you look for along with some nice skills like a good arm and good athletic ability. He could develop into a decent starter and if not you found yourself a very nice #2 at a cheap price. The reward could greatly outweigh the risk.

Time to say "sayonara" to your sig knobs...:laugh: