Will/Should the AP pick a different National Champion?

[ClobberHouse]

Poll coming, thoughts?

Florida or Oklahoma game winner

Utah undefeated

USC even though now with Utah beating the one team they lost to makes it impossible

Texas only one loss and beat Oklahoma (Sorry thought the game ended in OT it was really with 1 second left)

[NinerCapHell]

They should pick Utah in order to create another controversy.

But Florida is the best team in the nation barring an upset by OU.

[ClobberHouse]

Shouldn't this be determined after the OU/Florida and Texas/OSU game?

Well the AP is waiting for the results of the Poll so......:slap:

What else would make you change your mind?

Like if Oklahoma wins and Texas wins and since Texas beat Ok then both should get it?

If Florida wins then it should be theirs straight up?

Or do you need to see how they won?

[majesstik1]

But Florida is the best team in the nation barring an upset by OU.

I'm far from a USC fan, but I think they have a case for best team this year too. USC vs Florida would be a hell of a game.

[Texicali blue]

I'm far from a USC fan, but I think they have a case for best team this year too. USC vs Florida would be a hell of a game.

Bite your tongue, Texas-Forida would be even better.

:kangaroo:

But, if Texas wins out big, both they and USC will have a shot to win the AP based on the outcome of the Florida-Oklahoma game.

If Florida wins big, I think they might win both the BCS and AP titles, however, but if Oklahoma wins and Texas wins, it leaves the door open for Texas, unfortunately, I think Texas playing later than USC could help swing the voters in their direction, but then again, their opponent's recent history hurts them because Texas is expected to win big.

I'd love to see Texas #1 with USC #2 in the AP, with the BCS winner at 3, (or USC #1 and Texas #2) just so the AP can give a "screw you" to the BCS.

And Utah deserved a chance to compete for the title, too, in a playoff they would have had that opportunity.

[Bryon]

Bite your tongue, Texas-Forida would be even better.

:kangaroo:

But, if Texas wins out big, both they and USC will have a shot to win the AP based on the outcome of the Florida-Oklahoma game.

If Florida wins big, I think they might win both the BCS and AP titles, however, but if Oklahoma wins and Texas wins, it leaves the door open for Texas, unfortunately, I think Texas playing later than USC could help swing the voters in their direction, but then again, their opponent's recent history hurts them because Texas is expected to win big.

I'd love to see Texas #1 with USC #2 in the AP, with the BCS winner at 3, (or USC #1 and Texas #2) just so the AP can give a "screw you" to the BCS.

And Utah deserved a chance to compete for the title, too, in a playoff they would have had that opportunity.

YOU need to make sure Texas beats OSU first. How are you going to put Texas over an undefeated Utah team that beat a team that was ranked #1 for 5 straight weeks?

Alabama's SOS = 79
Utah's SOS = 56

Yet Alabama was undefeated and reanked #1 while Utah can't crack the top 5? Now they finish the season undefeated and you aren't even going to put them in the top 3? WOW

[O49erJn]

It just proves the big name schools like USC Texas Oklahoma and such get first looks at rankings above deemed "lesser" schools like Utah. Frankly if NCAA had a playoff system teams like USC would face teams like Utah and nothing could be disputed.w

On another note.. Does anyone else dislike Mark May?

[Rockyn]

Unless you honestly believe that Utah would BEAT UF or OU, they don't deserve to be considered.

[The OLD Cookie Monster]

I'm not a USC fan (Stanford fan) but USC is the best team in the country. They would defeat Oklahoma and Texas by two scores, and I think they would beat Florida in a close game.


USC/Florida would be awesome.

[Jerry's kid]

Lets have a game called the National Cahampionship game played between FLA and OU and then after its over we'll name some other team the real national champs.

Sound good.

[O49erJn]

Unless you honestly believe that Utah would BEAT UF or OU, they don't deserve to be considered.


why not? Cuz they are the big bad gators or sooners??

[blueprint]

USC and Florida would be an extraordinary game. Sad that this BCS crap prevents what the fans, players and coaches want.

[Rockyn]

why not? Cuz they are the big bad gators or sooners??

Yeah, basically.

[Bryon]

Unless you honestly believe that Utah would BEAT UF or OU, they don't deserve to be considered.

You mean just like they beat the big bad Tide? How they beat them worse than Florida did?

You can't say they wouldn't beat them. They are undefeated and beat the team that was ranked #1 for 5 weeks. Alabama had a SO of 79 while Utah had a SOS of 56, yet Alabama was ranked #1 while undefeated and Utah can't be? Give me a break.

[49ersRus]

I picked USC, but I would prefer if they just had an 8 team playoff system. If you win your BCS division, your in. Add in two at large teams, say Utah and Texas, and seed them. Then we would have a CF real champion.

[Bryon]

Why should the MWC NOT be a BCS conference and have an automatic bid?

[Rockyn]

Why should the MWC NOT be a BCS conference and have an automatic bid?

No offense but I seriously wish you knew how insane a comment that is.

[Rockyn]

You mean just like they beat the big bad Tide? How they beat them worse than Florida did?

You can't say they wouldn't beat them. They are undefeated and beat the team that was ranked #1 for 5 weeks. Alabama had a SO of 79 while Utah had a SOS of 56, yet Alabama was ranked #1 while undefeated and Utah can't be? Give me a break.

Is Alabama going to be ranked #1 at the end of the year? Not even close, borderline Top 10. So why are you bringing up stuff that happened midseason and was pretty evident that it wasn't going to hold up?

I'm not being a homer, but there's no way Utah goes into Athens and other SEC road games and comes close to undefeated.

[WildCardBound]

I'm far from a USC fan, but I think they have a case for best team this year too. USC vs Florida would be a hell of a game.

Agreed, that would have been the best possible NC game.

[WildCardBound]

the best 2 teams are playing for the NC. stop your biching.

Those are the best 2, no way USC would beat either of them?

[verbicide]

No offense but I seriously wish you knew how insane a comment that is.

Well tbh, this season the MWC has a lot of quality at the top level. I think if it was made a BCS conference you'd see the middle tier of the MWC improve significantly too, it'd be a pretty solid conference.

[Rockyn]

Well tbh, this season the MWC has a lot of quality at the top level. I think if it was made a BCS conference you'd see the middle tier of the MWC improve significantly too, it'd be a pretty solid conference.

But as a long-term solution? This year we had enough conferences that didn't deserve autobids with the ACC and Big East, I don't think adding another conference would make much sense.

Teams like '05/'08 Utah and '06 Boise State are the exception, not the rule.

[Got Five?]

The BCS is a mess!!!

[WildCardBound]

They may or they may not. I think the best 2 teams are playing for the NC game. If a game is played during or close to the season USC is not one of the best 2 teams this year. NOw if you give Carroll 4-6 weeks to prepare his team it swings the odds a bit in favor of USC.

But the regular season on college football is an audition. An audition that OU and UF passed with flying colors and are in the NC game because of it. I'm just not going to let me short term memory take over to sway me to forget about the full body of work where USC wasn't even that impressive for alot of the season.

No they didn't. They both lost 1 game just like USC did.

[O49erJn]

Is Alabama going to be ranked #1 at the end of the year? Not even close, borderline Top 10. So why are you bringing up stuff that happened midseason and was pretty evident that it wasn't going to hold up?

I'm not being a homer, but there's no way Utah goes into Athens and other SEC road games and comes close to undefeated.

Just like Boise State had no chance to beat OU a couple years back??

[Bryon]

Is Alabama going to be ranked #1 at the end of the year? Not even close, borderline Top 10. So why are you bringing up stuff that happened midseason and was pretty evident that it wasn't going to hold up?

I'm not being a homer, but there's no way Utah goes into Athens and other SEC road games and comes close to undefeated.

The point is that Alabama was ranked #1 because they were undefeated. All that with a SOS of 79. Now Utah is sitting undefeated (the only one in college football) and has a better SOS, yet they won't get a shot to be number one?

Before you DO start being a homer, Alabama thought there was no way they would lose either. Some with Oklahoma two years ago. I say that there is no way that Georgia goes to Salt Lake City and beats Utah on their home turf. But we all know the SEC doesn't like to travel for out of conference games. Especailly not against a team that can stand up to them. lol

[Bryon]

They may or they may not. I think the best 2 teams are playing for the NC game. If a game is played during or close to the season USC is not one of the best 2 teams this year. NOw if you give Carroll 4-6 weeks to prepare his team it swings the odds a bit in favor of USC.

But the regular season on college football is an audition. An audition that OU and UF passed with flying colors and are in the NC game because of it. I'm just not going to let me short term memory take over to sway me to forget about the full body of work where USC wasn't even that impressive for alot of the season.



Yeah, because USC didn't have the #1 defense in college football this season.:banghead:

[O49erJn]

Which is completely why NCAA needs a playoff system. If talent and stats on paper alone won u a game why even play then?? I honestly believe on a neutral field Utah would give either Florida or USC a run for their money.

[RED GOLDMAN]

No offense but I seriously wish you knew how insane a comment that is.

Really?

The Big East, ACC, Big 10, PAC 10 are all automatic bid conferences. Are you really going to make the argument that those conferences are tougher than the MWC? Based on what?

[duxstar]

lol i find it funny that people say "Utah shouldn't be there just because they beat Alabama" because guess what, Florida is ONLY there because of their win over Alabama in the SEC championship game ....... thats how florida got to the NC game, and yet when Utah does it, its obvious that Alabama was over rated???

Utah has every right to at least a piece of the championship ........ if your undefeated you shouldn't be left out of any chance at the NC

[TouchdownBuddha]

I agree, there should be a playoff. Utah, USC, whoever wins Texas/OSU, and whoever wins the NC. I would love to see all of those matchups.

[Bryon]

I agree, there should be a playoff. Utah, USC, whoever wins Texas/OSU, and whoever wins the NC. I would love to see all of those matchups.



OSU is not in the running for a NC. They have 2 or 3 loses. IF Texas wins, they would be in the running, but NOT Ohio State.

[TouchdownBuddha]

OSU is not in the running for a NC. They have 2 or 3 loses. IF Texas wins, they would be in the running, but NOT Ohio State.

I didn't say that I thought they deserved to be there, but if you're going to have a playoff you have to take the winner of that game into the playoff...if only because you need 4 teams.

[jmichura]

I could have seen no-national champions if the Florida barely wins and Texas destroys the Ohio State. But when Ole Miss beat Tech the way they did, it gives Florida more credibility while taking some away from the Big 12. If Texas was playing a better team, it may have been possible but beating Ohio State won't give them enough credibility.

As far as USC goes, I doubt they would get considered. They needed help to just win their conference.

[TouchdownBuddha]

I don't know if Florida will win, Tebow might be tired after playing Right Tackle for Cincinnati. :falldownlaugh:

http://awfulannouncing.blogspot.com/2009/01/tim-tebow-found-position-to-play-in.html

Couldn't decide where to put this so I just picked a thread at random :laugh:

[Rockyn]

Really?

The Big East, ACC, Big 10, PAC 10 are all automatic bid conferences. Are you really going to make the argument that those conferences are tougher than the MWC? Based on what?

Actually the first 3 you listed I'm all for removing the auto-bid (the first 2 in particular). This year the MWC is definitely as good as the first 3, but it's not an every year thing.

That's where my opposition comes from with regards to upgrading a current mid-major conference to BCS-level. A conference should have to prove for a period of several years that they can put out top quality competition. In '05 and '08, the MWC did that. I want to see more of it.

And yeah trust me the Orange Bowl made me want to vomit. I'm all for removing those bids.

[O49erJn]

Actually the first 3 you listed I'm all for removing the auto-bid (the first 2 in particular). This year the MWC is definitely as good as the first 3, but it's not an every year thing.

That's where my opposition comes from with regards to upgrading a current mid-major conference to BCS-level. A conference should have to prove for a period of several years that they can put out top quality competition. In '05 and '08, the MWC did that. I want to see more of it.

And yeah trust me the Orange Bowl made me want to vomit. I'm all for removing those bids.


Hey just because the Big 10 doesnt play the spread offense system like the SEC.

[Texicali blue]

I could have seen no-national champions if the Florida barely wins and Texas destroys the Ohio State. But when Ole Miss beat Tech the way they did, it gives Florida more credibility while taking some away from the Big 12. If Texas was playing a better team, it may have been possible but beating Ohio State won't give them enough credibility.

As far as USC goes, I doubt they would get considered. They needed help to just win their conference.

Gotta agree with you, Texas is in a dammed if ya do, dammed if ya don't position.

They are expected to not only beat OSU, but to do so in a dominant fashion and anything short of a beatdown might be considered a letdown, even though this OSU team is much better than the team USC played in week 2, it has a now experienced QB in Pryor and a healthy Wells.

So, even if Texas happened to beat them, anything short of a 52-10 beatdown will appear less impressive.

Plus, who would Texas pull for? If Oklahoma beats Florida, Texas can claim a win over the eventual BCS winner, if Florida wins, Texas can claim we did it, too.

Once again, dammed if they do, dammed worse if they don't.

[ClobberHouse]

Gotta agree with you, Texas is in a dammed if ya do, dammed if ya don't position.

They are expected to not only beat OSU, but to do so in a dominant fashion and anything short of a beatdown might be considered a letdown, even though this OSU team is much better than the team USC played in week 2, it has a now experienced QB in Pryor and a healthy Wells.

So, even if Texas happened to beat them, anything short of a 52-10 beatdown will appear less impressive.

Plus, who would Texas pull for? If Oklahoma beats Florida, Texas can claim a win over the eventual BCS winner, if Florida wins, Texas can claim we did it, too.

Once again, dammed if they do, dammed worse if they don't.
How about now? 24-21

[Bryon]

Utah should be the Co-champions. Especially after that worthless win Texas got last night.

[Nevyn]

If they didn't give it to Auburn after their undefeated SEC season, Utah, USC, and Texas fans are dreaming if they think the AP will name a champion outside that game. The mere fact that there isn't universal agreement which team excluded from the NC should win only weakens all their cases.

Plus, aside from the BCS polls, werent Oklahoma and Florida 1-2 in the AP poll as well?

[bigPaco80]

USC deserves to be in the NC game, and to be the ap NC, the crushed PSU, and OSU, held gave up 12 ppg. OU or FL wouldn't survive against the Trojans

[SB49er4life]

If they didn't give it to Auburn after their undefeated SEC season, Utah, USC, and Texas fans are dreaming if they think the AP will name a champion outside that game. The mere fact that there isn't universal agreement which team excluded from the NC should win only weakens all their cases.

Plus, aside from the BCS polls, werent Oklahoma and Florida 1-2 in the AP poll as well?

Well, Auburn didn't have much of an argument that year because USC smashed them the year before in their own backyard. It just so happened that 1 of the teams ranked ahead of them, USC, had beaten them with mainly the same squads intact for both years. I know, I know, that was "last season", but if all these other outside factors are gonna be considered, then that should as well.

As a USC fan, I wish there was some way around it... but I have learned to live with the fact that the Nat'l title will be decided between OU and UF, and no amount of crying is gonna change that.

[Texicali blue]

How about now? 24-21

Not enough of a win.

But, if you measured wins on excitement, it would be the win of the year.

Lately, you can count on Texas for an exciting BCS game.

[MR. WEBBER]

to the 27 people that voted for utah... you are all retards. just because they played a team that didnt care it was in a bowl game doesnt mean jack. bama didnt even come to play. kinda like texas in the first half of their bowl game. go back and look at some of utah's games. they BARELY!!! beat a few crappy teams. utah would stand no chance at going undefeated in the pac 10, big 10, sec, big 12. saying utah deserves it is a complete joke.

i lost all respect for utah fans when the DA in utah was looking into legal action against the bcs for not voting them champions. talk about a bunch of babies. play in a better conference.

oh and before i forget. i dont remember this much backlash when boise st when undefeated last year. what is the difference? none. there will NEVER be a non bcs champion mark my words.

[RED GOLDMAN]

to the 27 people that voted for utah... you are all retards. just because they played a team that didnt care it was in a bowl game doesnt mean jack. bama didnt even come to play. kinda like texas in the first half of their bowl game. go back and look at some of utah's games. they BARELY!!! beat a few crappy teams. utah would stand no chance at going undefeated in the pac 10, big 10, sec, big 12. saying utah deserves it is a complete joke.

i lost all respect for utah fans when the DA in utah was looking into legal action against the bcs for not voting them champions. talk about a bunch of babies. play in a better conference.

oh and before i forget. i dont remember this much backlash when boise st when undefeated last year. what is the difference? none. there will NEVER be a non bcs champion mark my words.


Pure Ignorance.

The MWC had two games this year against SEC teams. 2-0 MWC.
7 games against the PAC-10. 6-1 MWC.

Bama didn't come to play? Bull****. They got flat-*** manhandled. Great teams don't have a letdown on the biggest stage. Are you trying to say Ala****ingbama was so disappointed in not playing for a Championship that they said "**** it, let's go out and get our asses handed to us by Utah. I don't care anymore."? The whole letdown argument is childish and stupid.

You are a fool.

Forget what everyone else says and believe what your eyes should have seen in the Sugar Bowl. Utah can play with anyone in the country, and they are the only undefeated team in the nation.

In any sport, the team that doesn't lose is the champion. You think USC or Oklahoma or Florida really wants to see Utah on their schedule? You are out of your mind.

[RED GOLDMAN]

to the 27 people that voted for utah... you are all retards. just because they played a team that didnt care it was in a bowl game doesnt mean jack. bama didnt even come to play. kinda like texas in the first half of their bowl game. go back and look at some of utah's games. they BARELY!!! beat a few crappy teams. utah would stand no chance at going undefeated in the pac 10, big 10, sec, big 12. saying utah deserves it is a complete joke.

i lost all respect for utah fans when the DA in utah was looking into legal action against the bcs for not voting them champions. talk about a bunch of babies. play in a better conference.

oh and before i forget. i dont remember this much backlash when boise st when undefeated last year. what is the difference? none. there will NEVER be a non bcs champion mark my words.


You clearly don't know what you are talking about.

[MR. WEBBER]

i can name 3 or 4 games against ****ty teams that they barely won. bama DID NOT come to play, did you watch the game? give me a break. stop being such a utah homer and open your eyes. they are no where near the team that usc, texas, oklahoma, florida are.

[RED GOLDMAN]

i can name 3 or 4 games against ****ty teams that they barely won. bama DID NOT come to play, did you watch the game? give me a break. stop being such a utah homer and open your eyes. they are no where near the team that usc, texas, oklahoma, florida are.

Undefeated. 13-0.

Beat top 10 TCU. #14 BYU. Beat the team that beat USC. Even Michigan was ranked 23 when they beat them in the big house. Not to mention the absolute beatdown on Alabama, who was #1 for what, 6 weeks?

You are a blind, ignorant fool. It's sheep like you who allow the BCS to continue to **** up college football.

[MR. WEBBER]

Undefeated. 13-0.

Beat top 10 TCU. #14 BYU. Beat the team that beat USC. Even Michigan was ranked 23 when they beat them in the big house. Not to mention the absolute beatdown on Alabama, who was #1 for what, 6 weeks?

You are a blind, ignorant fool. It's sheep like you who allow the BCS to continue to **** up college football.

way to bring up michigan. a horrible horrible team that utah BARELY beat. not to mention barely beating air force, new mexico, oregan state, and tcu.

you bring up tcu. a team that got destroyed by oklahoma.

bama just got done losing a game to play for the national title and somehow you think they came to play. watch the game again. not until the second half did anything start working. they were not there to win that game.

you my friend are the blind ignorant fool. utah does not deserve to be national champion coming from a conference like that. when it steps up to a real conference then i will give them merit.



see, no one is talking about boise state last year. they went undefeated.... yet i heard nothing about them being considered as the national champion, why is that???? oh yeah their conference is a joke.

[Texicali blue]

it should be like this:

1. USC
2. Oklahoma
3. Utah
4. Texas
5. Florida

-Florida will lose.

-Texas' is a hell of a team but got beat fair and square.

-You cant really argue against Utah. Their schedule though it wasnt in the Pac-10, SEC or Big 12 was no walk in the park. The beat Michigan (who was supposed to have a decent season), Oregon State, TCU, BYU and Alabama. The rest of their schedule yes, was a cupcake but they did what good teams do, beat who they are supposed to beat.

-Oklahoma had a hell of a season. Won the national championship game unfortunately lost a close one to Texas and thus are not the best one loss team in the nation.

-USC Routed Penn State. Have the #1 defense is america and lost to a very underrated Oregon State squad. The also routed a Ohio State squad that gave Texas a hell of a game. Should of been in the national championship game, unfortunately they werent selected.

Talk about homerism.

First of all, Oklahoma and Florida have yet to play, yet you think you can rank them now?

Saying, USC beat an OSU team that gave Texas trouble is the DEFINITIVE proof of your homerism.

That OSU team had no Beanie Wells, it was Pryor's second game of his NCAA career, not second start, second game. He didn't get to ride the bench for 3 years learning the system, that was it.

USC is a heck of a team, but they got beat fair and square.

And Utah did everything they possibly could, they did what Texas, Florida and USC could NOT DO, they went undefeated.

[Texicali blue]

You clearly don't know what you are talking about.

Actually, if you're unaware of the lawsuit, than you are the one who doesn't know what they're talking about.

he's got a good case, too, because there is money involved, big time money.

That's what the suit is about, not the mythical title of national champion, but about the money that accompanies it(along with all the sales you get selling national champion merchandise).

[RED GOLDMAN]

Actually, if you're unaware of the lawsuit, than you are the one who doesn't know what they're talking about.

he's got a good case, too, because there is money involved, big time money.

That's what the suit is about, not the mythical title of national champion, but about the money that accompanies it(along with all the sales you get selling national champion merchandise).

I know about the lawsuit, but it's not because Utah wasn't voted #1. It's because the BCS is a joke of a system. Utah should have the opportunity to play for the championship.

I do know what I'm talking about.

[RED GOLDMAN]

Talk about homerism.

First of all, Oklahoma and Florida have yet to play, yet you think you can rank them now?

Saying, USC beat an OSU team that gave Texas trouble is the DEFINITIVE proof of your homerism.

That OSU team had no Beanie Wells, it was Pryor's second game of his NCAA career, not second start, second game. He didn't get to ride the bench for 3 years learning the system, that was it.

USC is a heck of a team, but they got beat fair and square.

And Utah did everything they possibly could, they did what Texas, Florida and USC could NOT DO, they went undefeated.

Straight up.

[Texicali blue]

I know about the lawsuit, but it's not because Utah wasn't voted #1. It's because the BCS is a joke of a system. Utah should have the opportunity to play for the championship.

I do know what I'm talking about.

The lawsuit has nothing to do with votes.

It has to do with the inherent unequal distribution of wealth within an organization.

If there were no money involved, there would be no case.

[MR. WEBBER]

Straight up.

so by your logic boise state should have been the national champion last year. do u see how dumb all this sounds.


florida, usc, and texas are all much much better teams. its not even close.