Mark Sanchez

[11noble]

what about it??? im all for shaun hill but since were gonna get a qb anyways...he still might be around in the 2nd....plus usc plays a pro style offense....

[Underrated49ers]

if hes there in the 2nd round MAYBE.

He did have a hell of a rose bowl game.

[49ERSFAN$LIFE]

Then we can nickname him Mark "Dirty" Sanchez...

:shoot:

[Mac9er]

he will probably stay another year, if hes smart
He could win the National Championship next year at the Rose Bowl, I think he stays.

[pull my trigger]

Then we can nickname him Mark "Dirty" Sanchez...

:shoot:

:laugh:

[FistFullofGold]

if hes there in the 2nd round MAYBE.

He did have a hell of a rose bowl game.

I agree, this draft is QB heavy we can get a good one in the 2nd or 3rd and not have the cost associated with a 1st rounder.

[SourdoughSam49]

I am completely skeptical of Mark Sanchez as our QB but, earlier when he first declared for the 09 NFL Draft, ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr. placed him as our draft choice. He predicted that since all other higher rated QBs would not enter that Sanchez would be in the top 10. Because of the lack of success from A. Smith, I just don't see us drafting a QB that early. I see us drafting a OL or DL. I don't think Singletary would want to be connected with the success of Sanchez especially what happened to Nolan. I just don't see ESPN's mock being reliable. Your thoughts?

[p.will inmeplz]

Well, we need a young franchise qb to groom asap. Is there anybody else with bigger upside than Sanchez that you realistically see the niners being able to get? They won't be top 10 next year for the McCoys and Bradfords of the world, so i'd like to know if you have any other options for a long term solution at qb?

[9ernation94]

I really want to draft an OL or DL in the first round but if a guy like Sanchez is sitting at #10 I don't know how we can pass on him.

[49ersnceltics]

I dont see Singletary taking a QB #1 because Singletary has a win now mentality. He's not going to use the #1 pick on a player that might not contribute to the team this year or next. I dont see us drafting a QB until round 3 or 4. We need a top 10 player that can come in on day 1 and produce; safety, O Line, or D line.

[SourdoughSam49]

I know we need a QB but i also don't see us getting one later because the lack of talent. At least i don't see

[9ernation94]

I dont see Singletary taking a QB #1 because Singletary has a win now mentality. He's not going to use the #1 pick on a player that might not contribute to the team this year or next. I dont see us drafting a QB until round 3 or 4. We need a top 10 player that can come in on day 1 and produce; safety, O Line, or D line.

I agree with you 100% but if Sanchez is there I really can not see us passing on him, I am probably wrong but this is just my opinion. I would rather have Harrell in the 4th round :laugh:

[russelmania]

I am completely skeptical of Mark Sanchez as our QB but, earlier when he first declared for the 09 NFL Draft, ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr. placed him as our draft choice. He predicted that since all other higher rated QBs would not enter that Sanchez would be in the top 10. Because of the lack of success from A. Smith, I just don't see us drafting a QB that early. I see us drafting a OL or DL. I don't think Singletary would want to be connected with the success of Sanchez especially what happened to Nolan. I just don't see ESPN's mock being reliable. Your thoughts?

Was Kiper greasing his hair as he made the pick?

[forty9ersfan80]

Kipers Hair Is Stupid. He Thinks He Looks Good But In Reality He Looks Like A Whopping Deuch Bag

[zippie26]

Two words: character issues.

[9ernation94]

Kipers Hair Is Stupid. He Thinks He Looks Good But In Reality He Looks Like A Whopping Deuch Bag

Why Do You Capatilize Every Word?

Oh and I agree with you :laugh:

[jackacid]

I do not support taking a QB with our first pick.

Pass rusher > OL > FS/QB

Sanchez will likely sit for a year no matter where he goes (which I think is wholly wise).

[forty9ersfan80]

caps mean speaking passionately about my disgust of kiper

[OsBoogie]

Two words: character issues.

wow... seriously... wow

[russelmania]

Two words: character issues.

Huh, for Sanchez? Were do you get that from?
Pete Carrol said he was the hardest working QB that has ever played for him, and he was a semi-finalist this year for the Davey O'Brien award.

"The O'Brien is proud to highlight these young men, not only for their elite quarterback skills, but for their qualities of character and leadership that the award is committed to honoring."

[UBERBEAST]

I hope he legally changes his first name to Dirty...

[1ninerfaithful]

I'd rather stafford, but he'll prolly be the #1 pick :banghead:

[forty9ersfan80]

i understand that we desperately need a dlineman and olineman but why is nobody talking about crabtree at #10 i think this guy will be a dominate pro and if he can be the franchise wr its def worth the 10th pick. Its been a very long time since we had a dominate #1 wideout.

[OsBoogie]

wow...rape allegations...wow

something that he was never formally charged with?

the dude is all about his fam and is in all these charity and outreach programs... and isn't hollywood like Leinart...

coaches said he is also the smartest QB they've had and is far more advanced in play calling

[49ersnceltics]

i understand that we desperately need a dlineman and olineman but why is nobody talking about crabtree at #10 i think this guy will be a dominate pro and if he can be the franchise wr its def worth the 10th pick. Its been a very long time since we had a dominate #1 wideout.

Crabtree will be gone probably in the top 5, also WR is a need for us but not a Priority

[zippie26]

wow... seriously... wow

wow...rape allegations...wow

[KingOfTheHill]

I'd rather stafford, but he'll prolly be the #1 pick :banghead:

stafford is the first prospect in years actually worth trading up for. hes more athletic than cutler, has a better arm than ryan, and makes better decisions than both.

sadly though, hell be a lion for sure. we can only hope he refuses to sign there and we can snatch him in a trade.

[jmichura]

I am completely skeptical of Mark Sanchez as our QB but, earlier when he first declared for the 09 NFL Draft, ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr. placed him as our draft choice. He predicted that since all other higher rated QBs would not enter that Sanchez would be in the top 10. Because of the lack of success from A. Smith, I just don't see us drafting a QB that early. I see us drafting a OL or DL. I don't think Singletary would want to be connected with the success of Sanchez especially what happened to Nolan. I just don't see ESPN's mock being reliable. Your thoughts?

First of all, I would like to say that I am not a Sanchez fan. I only watched maybe one USC game all year so I really don't know what to think of him.

However, the bolded statement drives me nuts. Drafting a bust at QB shouldn't affect what you draft 4+ years later. A position of need is a position of need. If there is a QB should be be drafted at #10 when we are on the podium, then we should take him.

Now, that isn't to say that Alex's presence shouldn't affect our draft. If the management truly wants to give Alex one more shot, then we shouldn't draft a QB in the first round. But the fact that we drafted a bust at QB alone shouldn't affect our draft this year.

[rdubz1]

we draft Sanchez if Brian Orakpo or Aaron Maybin are off the board we need a pass rusher bad!

[SB49er4life]

I dont see Singletary taking a QB #1 because Singletary has a win now mentality. He's not going to use the #1 pick on a player that might not contribute to the team this year or next. I dont see us drafting a QB until round 3 or 4. We need a top 10 player that can come in on day 1 and produce; safety, O Line, or D line.

Couple things:

1) Scot McCloughan has the final say on draft picks, not Mike Singletary. Granted, out of respect McCloughan will give him his fair share of input, but he will be the one making the final decision.

2) Mike Singletary got the "interim" label removed from his job title. He is here for 4 years, and while it's possible he gets fired sooner, they won't do it after 1 year of not making the playoffs. Even then, Singletary knows enough about playing and coaching to know when a player is ready to see the field or not. He will be the last person pressured into playing a rook as a last gasp attempt or to appease the fan base.

Other than that, I agree that for THIS year, we may be better served going with a FS or pass rusher that can start for us week 1.

[SB49er4life]

wow...rape allegations...wow

Translation: I believe everything I hear.

If all the allegations people said about you ended up being true, you might not even be allowed on an internet message board.

[russelmania]

i understand that we desperately need a dlineman and olineman but why is nobody talking about crabtree at #10 i think this guy will be a dominate pro and if he can be the franchise wr its def worth the 10th pick. Its been a very long time since we had a dominate #1 wideout.

Because -
1. Seattle might take him
2. Wasting a top ten pickon any receiver is a waste (Ask Matt Millen and Detroit)
3. We have a good group of receiver developing and it isn't a priority need.
4. Crabtree isn't a can't miss NFL receiver (Size and quickness are both issues, which means NO SEPERATION in the NFL)

[p.will inmeplz]

Can anybody answer my question as to what else they have as a long term solution at qb if not Sanchez? I realize we have other positions of need, but qb is the most important position on the field and i just don't see hill as a franchise. Franchise qbs are hard to come by and if any of you want another dynasty, it starts there, not a pass rushing DE.

[odu73]

I think we might take him at #10 because our offensive will be a power run first. He can have a season as good as Flacco, just manage the game and in time be a great QB. Just like Big Ben and Flacco (will be).

[zippie26]

Translation: I believe everything I hear.

If all the allegations people said about you ended up being true, you might not even be allowed on an internet message board.

If you think it won't be taken into consideration when it comes to drafting a player in the top 10, that would be one of a hundred things that explain why you're on a message board and not in an NFL front office.

[russelmania]

stafford is the first prospect in years actually worth trading up for. hes more athletic than cutler, has a better arm than ryan, and makes better decisions than both.

sadly though, hell be a lion for sure. we can only hope he refuses to sign there and we can snatch him in a trade.

Detroit has enough needs that they actually may not take Stafford, if they don't though it will be because someone wanted him bad enough to trade up to #1 to take him. Unless he has a terrible combine or gets caught smuggling people over the border, there is no way he is available at #10.

Sanchez just might be available at #10 unless Detroit ranks him higher than Stafford, don't think that's going to happen but it is Detroit.

Sanchez COULD fall to #10 just because of the lack of need for a QB of those picking in fornt of us and 3 HAVE TO TAKE offensive tackles.

I have no idea what I would think about the pick if we took him until I know what we did in free agency.

The QB situation may actually trigger the trade down situation that everyone has been calling for (We can't just trade down, somebody needs to want to trade up)

Detroit could select Smith with the #1 pick and package thier #20 pick (from Dallas) to move back up for thier QB

[p.will inmeplz]

If you think it won't be taken into consideration when it comes to drafting a player in the top 10, that would be one of a hundred things that explain why you're on a message board and not in an NFL front office.

The real question is, was she hot?

[KingOfTheHill]

Can anybody answer my question as to what else they have as a long term solution at qb if not Sanchez? I realize we have other positions of need, but qb is the most important position on the field and i just don't see hill as a franchise. Franchise qbs are hard to come by and if any of you want another dynasty, it starts there, not a pass rushing DE.

sanchez isnt a franchise QB in my opinion.

the last touted franchise QB to come out of USC has been a monumental bust.

[42Lott]

I agree with you 100% but if Sanchez is there I really can not see us passing on him, I am probably wrong but this is just my opinion. I would rather have Harrell in the 4th round :laugh:

I am missing something? What did Sanchez do to garner that type of opinion? He was good not great and he his injury prone. I don't think he is a good value in the top 20 never mind top 10.

[russelmania]

Can anybody answer my question as to what else they have as a long term solution at qb if not Sanchez? I realize we have other positions of need, but qb is the most important position on the field and i just don't see hill as a franchise. Franchise qbs are hard to come by and if any of you want another dynasty, it starts there, not a pass rushing DE.

Everyone wants the "franchise" QB, but taking a guy top 10 doesn't make him that. We will draft a QB later and hope for the best. Thats how most franchise QB's happen. Most of the all-time bust lists you can find are filled with mostly highly drafted QB's.

Something Sanchez does have gong for him over a LOT of college QB's these days is USC's offense is more pro freindly to evaluate skill sets on film. Qb making throws from under center, play action passing, etc. So many BIG numbers are being put up by college QB's running spread offenses with only a 1-2 route progression read, and only lining up in the shotgun, it is hard to evaluate how a skill set will translate to the NFL sometimes. Sanchez will have the advantage of a lot of exsisting film in a "pro set"

[p.will inmeplz]

sanchez isnt a franchise QB in my opinion.

the last touted franchise QB to come out of USC has been a monumental bust.

He was a bust because he doesn't like playing football, he like photo shoots. Sanchez has the exact opposite mentality. And before he got injured, Carson Palmer did amazing things in cincy. Any other reasons why you don't think he has franchise potential?

[Alti50]

sanchez is a raping..excuse me i mean raging bust, its written all over his usc face..plus i got some pals who go to sc says the dude is just a scum bag...

[russelmania]

sanchez is a raping..excuse me i mean raging bust, its written all over his usc face..plus i got some pals who go to sc says the dude is just a scum bag...

And they know and hang out with the guy?
With only 33,000 studints or so, I'm sure everybody at that school is really chummy. This guy will be so bust that if you aren't in the Athletic department or on the Football team, I guess they don't know enough to be making accurate character determinations. You are even worse since you take this as a fact and just pass it on, and obviously have a distaste for USC.

I don't care about Sanchez or us picking him, just sick of internet scumbags that think character asassination is ok because they remain anonomous.

No charges were filed, and in America, that makes you innocent

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local&id=4209059

[p.will inmeplz]

sanchez is a raping..excuse me i mean raging bust, its written all over his usc face..plus i got some pals who go to sc says the dude is just a scum bag...

Great analysis.

[S1lenz]

Heard on ESPN today Pete said Sanchez wasn't ready, and that declaring for the draft this early was a mistake. He's "riding the odds". I agree. Sanchez really hasn't shown anything special. If we really want a qb, look at Nate Davis coming out of Ball State in the 3rd or 4th round, if Indianapolis doesn't take him sooner. They're been scouting him extremely hard.

[szuniga2k6]

Forget QB, I like Maulaga at 10 if the OT and DE are gone. QB can be had later, and possibly next draft or free agency.

[LottdownD42]

I don't really like him at number 10.. I am a fan tho, he's a gun slinger with good size and pocket savvy.. He's tough and has a lot of potential, but at number 10? On a positive note we are 1 for 1 on QBs with Hispanic last names so if we draft him and he wears number 5 i'll support him! lol
(bring back jeff)

[russelmania]

Heard on ESPN today Pete said Sanchez wasn't ready, and that declaring for the draft this early was a mistake. He's "riding the odds". I agree. Sanchez really hasn't shown anything special. If we really want a qb, look at Nate Davis coming out of Ball State in the 3rd or 4th round, if Indianapolis doesn't take him sooner. They're been scouting him extremely hard.

Carrol is losing 7 defensive starters. Of course he wanted him to stay.

Sanchez probably would have stayed is Bradford, McCoy and Tebow all hadn't decided to go back to school. Coming out this year will rank him as the #2 QB in the draft, and next year he could have fallen to # 5-6 if someone else has a breakout year.

This was simply a good economic move for him at this point.

16 starts in college isn't great, but it's 16 more than Cassell had

[p.will inmeplz]

Heard on ESPN today Pete said Sanchez wasn't ready, and that declaring for the draft this early was a mistake. He's "riding the odds". I agree. Sanchez really hasn't shown anything special. If we really want a qb, look at Nate Davis coming out of Ball State in the 3rd or 4th round, if Indianapolis doesn't take him sooner. They're been scouting him extremely hard.

While Sanchez isn't polished by any means, he has a far high ceiling than Nate Davis. The Niners already have a low ceiling winner in Hill, they don't need another in Davis.

[SB49er4life]

If you think it won't be taken into consideration when it comes to drafting a player in the top 10, that would be one of a hundred things that explain why you're on a message board and not in an NFL front office.

When did I say it won't be taken into consideration ?

You are taking a baseless ACCUSATION and trying to make it sound as if it is FACT, and then tying that into reasons why we shouldn't take him.

Instead of being a douchebag, next time think about what you say and how it comes across, instead of saying "Uh, err, derr, somebody said he raped, he's gonna be a bad football player".

I'm not claiming I should be in an NFL front office, but with your gullibility and lack of critical thinking, you don't even sound like you belong in the back office of Kinko's.

[SB49er4life]

And they know and hang out with the guy?
With only 33,000 studints or so, I'm sure everybody at that school is really chummy. This guy will be so bust that if you aren't in the Athletic department or on the Football team, I guess they don't know enough to be making accurate character determinations. You are even worse since you take this as a fact and just pass it on, and obviously have a distaste for USC.

I don't care about Sanchez or us picking him, just sick of internet scumbags that think character asassination is ok because they remain anonomous.

No charges were filed, and in America, that makes you innocent

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local&id=4209059

FWIW, Sanchez played hs ball in my hometown, and my friends brother is relatively good friends with him. I've also played pick up basketball with him a couple times, and he didn't strike me as arrogant or a jerk or anything.

The fact that someone would cite opinions from some anonymous frat kids as testament about the guy is comical. You can probably go to every campus that fields a football team and have people that are gonna talk **** on some of the top players. It's called jealousy.

[Ness]

If he's there at number 10, we should select him.

[Gof the Gij]

Failure with one top pick quarterback shouldn't make us gunshy to take another.

[PapiChulo81]

Mark "The Dirty Man" Sanchez is one heck of a QB with accuracy, but we won't look into that position that early.

[S1lenz]

Carrol is losing 7 defensive starters. Of course he wanted him to stay.

Sanchez probably would have stayed is Bradford, McCoy and Tebow all hadn't decided to go back to school. Coming out this year will rank him as the #2 QB in the draft, and next year he could have fallen to # 5-6 if someone else has a breakout year.

This was simply a good economic move for him at this point.

16 starts in college isn't great, but it's 16 more than Cassell had

Pete losing 7 of his starters had nothing to do with it. Pete Carroll isn't a FOB coach. He knows he coaches for USC, and when a Mark Sanchez, John David Booty, Matt Leinart, or Carson Palmer leave, there's another guy coming in right behind him. So it's not an issue of him speaking out about his QB because he's trying to keep him, or he's upset he's leaving for the draft. When Carroll says "this guy is leaving too early", he's speaking knowledge. It would be wise for us to listen, instead of trying to dismiss it as a rant from an upset coach.

[majesstik1]

If you think it won't be taken into consideration when it comes to drafting a player in the top 10, that would be one of a hundred things that explain why you're on a message board and not in an NFL front office.

Teams will do their due diligence and look into it. If the allegations are just that, allegations, then there will be nothing to consider. Sanchez won't be the first star collegiate athlete to have had his name run through the mud. If he did in fact rape somebody, then he won't be available at pick #10. He'll be chumming up with Ron Mexico in a jail cell somewhere.

[rathman53]

More proof that Mel Kiper Jr. is a tard.

[TerrellOwns]

sanchez shouldnt have entered this season.. unless hes on a team with a good qb to learn from.

[fabie]

Why Do You Capatilize Every Word?

Oh and I agree with you :laugh:Not only your noticed his posting, you agree with it too! :laugh:

HO! :)

(just kidding, I would never say that to you):friends:

[fabie]

Dirty Sanchez! :laugh:

http://www.tshirtbordello.com/images/Dirty-Sanchez-shirt-lg.gif
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e99/Volksrods/Graphics/DirtySanchezLG.jpg

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

He said he'd likely be a top 10 pick, not THE 10th pick.

No I saw a mock draft today on SportsCenter that had him going to the 49ers with the #10 overall.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

sanchez isnt a franchise QB in my opinion.

the last touted franchise QB to come out of USC has been a monumental bust.

And the one before that turned into one of the elite QB's in the league...

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Everyone wants the "franchise" QB, but taking a guy top 10 doesn't make him that. We will draft a QB later and hope for the best. Thats how most franchise QB's happen. Most of the all-time bust lists you can find are filled with mostly highly drafted QB's.

And many of the best have been top picks:

Terry Bradshaw, Dan Marino, Peyton Manning, Troy Aikman, Drew Bledsoe, Eli Manning, Ben Rothlisberger, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Jay Cutler, John Elway, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers, Carson Palmer, Michael Vick, Donovan McNabb, Steve McNair, Jim Kelly, Phil Simms - all 1st round picks, and all obviously colossal busts who aren't anything close to franchise QB's

And that's just a handful. There are many more 1st round QB successes - in fact there is much more 1st round QB success than failure.

[S1lenz]

Most of the all-time bust lists you can find are filled with mostly highly drafted QB's.

Of course that's true. How can you be a bust if the expectations weren't that high for you anyways? The only way a 6th round QB can go is up.

[G4LIFE]

What about taking Rhett Bomar is round 3 or 4? He has as much potential as Sanchez does and he'll be alot cheaper.

[IMI GOLDRUSH]

his jersey number is 10 and we have the number 10 pick ..... if he's available at 10 we have to take him cuz its just fate ... meant to be .... he'll be a star in a 49ers uniform anywhere else a bust

[Ness]

his jersey number is 10 and we have the number 10 pick ..... if he's available at 10 we have to take him cuz its just fate ... meant to be .... he'll be a star in a 49ers uniform anywhere else a bust

Mark Sanchez wears number 6.

[night owl]

I suspect everyone on the MB knows that Matthew Stafford from Georgia has opted for the draft. Thomas Bradford and Tim Tebow are going back to their respective schools.

Another quarterback who is coming out early for the draft is Mark Sanchez from USC. Being a fan of the SEC, I don't lnow much about the guy. However, he put up some decent numbers in 2008.

Here's my question. More than likely, Stafford will be gone by the time the Niners get their turn in the first round. All of us on the MB know the results of the last QB we drafted in the first round, (Alex Smith). Knowing this, should Mark Sanchez be available when our turn comes in the first round, do we draft him? Wait until the second through fourth rounds? Ot do we go a different direction in terms of a quarterback?

Discuss.:sfhelmet:

[lostnfound99]

im just curious as to where he is projected to go in the draft (round and rough pick area) now that hes declared??

[Ness]

There are a number of threads already on the same topic. You may find a much more detailed answer to your question in the NFL Draft section of the forum:

http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/forumdisplay.php?f=7

Just scroll down a little bit and you'll notice several threads.

[GiantBoile]

Sanchez was good, but only because he had a very good supporting cast. The only QB worth taking with the current pick would've been Bradford. His mechanics are very reminiscent of past 9er QBs...mobility, accuracy, decision-making, etc. That would've been a really good gamble. Unfortunately, as mentioned before, he's not opting out to NFL this year. The 9ers are better off getting a position of more need...NT, DE/OLB, OT, however, Crabtree at WR or Curry at LB, I wouldn't be mad at that.

[Ness]

im just curious as to where he is projected to go in the draft (round and rough pick area) now that hes declared??

ESPN has him going to the 10th pick, which we hold. However, his stock could either fall or rise dramatically based on the next few months. We still have the combine and pro days. Free agency effects the draft as well in the early picks sometimes.

[dnt1127]

:banghead:No No NO! He will be a bust!! We should Draft Crabtree we havent had a star WR in soo long and OL in the 2nd round. Hill would have Crabtree and Gore and V.D. and Staley! Then Take a QB in 2010 would be much better there is so many more talented QB's in 2010

[Gof the Gij]

Good ol' Thomas Bradford.

[NinerNirvana]

Good ol' Thomas Bradford.

isn't he the guy on the schwans' commercial? :drive:

[Army49rFaithful]

No. In my opinion Drafting Mark Sanchez now will be wasting a 1st round pick just to have him sit and wait and learn. I doubt that he will come in here and blow away all the other QB competition and he will end up waiting behind Hill.
Why not get a playmaker like Harvin that we know will shine immedeatly and will be a more athletic Desean Jackson?

[SourdoughTony]

Good ol' Thomas Bradford.

:laugh:

[BAKNAFEK88]

Wouldn't like to get him in the first round although he seems to be a really good QB. I was very impressed with him in the Rose Bowl. He throws a good tight spiral, is accurate, has some power and is pretty mobile. No way am I comparing him to Steve Young, but I kinda liken his style of play to Steve Young.

[Mace Windu]

:banghead:No No NO! He will be a bust!! We should Draft Crabtree we havent had a star WR in soo long and OL in the 2nd round. Hill would have Crabtree and Gore and V.D. and Staley! Then Take a QB in 2010 would be much better there is so many more talented QB's in 2010

Yeah I agree. From what I am reading and form my limited experience in watching college QBs transition to the NFL it seems to be that Sanchez may not be successful. I say this because Sanchez has had very limited experience. He has only started 1 year in college. I would rather take a QB in the 3rd or 4th round. We have a starting QB right now. We need an impact player that can help us right away.

[ViLE]

Sanchez will be a first rounder, however 49ers need to take a pass on him. 10th pick needs to be someone who can contribute from day 1 and fill a hole. Plenty of QB's to choose from on day 2 of the the draft.

[jwallace]

no overrated USC defense carried that team not Mark Sanchez

[9erfanfromday1]

I would not be dissapointed with drafting him and I would rather have him than Stafford actually, but I think we have bigger needs than taking him with our 1st pick.

[gore94]

People need to research before posting names.

[sanmateo9erfan]

It's sam bradford, not Thomas!

[belgium49er]

No QB in the 1st round, lets pick one up between 3th and 5th

[co2112]

no way.

[94949'er]

nah, Gary Harrell or Rick Bomar in the 3rd/4th.

[Body87SU]

nah, Gary Harrell or Rick Bomar in the 3rd/4th.

Graham......:shoot:

[Mace Windu]

http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showthread.php?t=66251

[RonnieLott790]

With Mark Sanchez officially declaring for the nfl draft its safe to say that he will probably be the number 2 qb taken in the upcoming draft behind matt stafford. the only question is where??? i think he will be available at number ten and if so, i think the niners should take him, with that said shaun hill has earned his spot and deserves to start but i like sanchez as insurance if hill cant get the job done consistantly, a lot of de, dt's are staying in school and taylor mays the safety everyones crazy about is also postponing his nfl career so i think its a logical choice......................thoughts?

[verbicide]

With Mark Sanchez officially declaring for the nfl draft its safe to say that he will probably be the number 2 qb taken in the upcoming draft behind matt stafford. the only question is where??? i think he will be available at number ten and if so, i think the niners should take him, with that said shaun hill has earned his spot and deserves to start but i like sanchez as insurance if hill cant get the job done consistantly, a lot of de, dt's are staying in school and taylor mays the safety everyones crazy about is also postponing his nfl career so i think its a logical choice......................thoughts?

I think it makes about as much sense as driving to work in reverse.

[Mace Windu]

Bradford will be the 2nd QB off the board.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/28660129/

[BAKNAFEK88]

:spit::spit:I think it makes about as much sense as driving to work in reverse.

:spit:

[jackacid]

Bradford will be the 2nd QB off the board.

[BAKNAFEK88]

I think rather than waste a high pick on Sanchez, renegotiate with Alex Smith.

[BAKNAFEK88]

Bradford will be the 2nd QB off the board.

:slap: Bradford isn't coming out this year. Even if he did, he is not ready for the NFL

[YoMomma]

I think rather than waste a high pick on Sanchez, renegotiate with Alex Smith.

Ha I thought the driving in reverse comment was funny.

[Mac9er]

I think rather than waste a high pick on Sanchez, renegotiate with Alex Smith.

Do you think we can get Alex to pay to be on the team?

[BAKNAFEK88]

Do you think we can get Alex to pay to be on the team?

He said that he would really like to be a Niner and try to finish what he started. If he speaks the truth, then he will redo his deal. We could stretch it out over three years and gaurantee some money. He wouldn't get a huge amount if we cut him and he signed with another team.

[jackacid]

:slap: Bradford isn't coming out this year. Even if he did, he is not ready for the NFL

Didn't realize he was staying in school. Thanks for correcting me.

[greenblood25]

I think it makes about as much sense as driving to work in reverse.

Completely agree. He started what all of 16 games in his career at USC? Would not be a good choice in my opinion as there would be impact players available. However, if Sanchez is available at 10, then our pick may have some trade value!

[gnoix]

Trade away our pick so we can save some money in the process of not signing a Top 10 pick..

[BAKNAFEK88]

Didn't realize he was staying in school. Thanks for correcting me.

No problem bro. Some are saying that Bradford and Tebow deciding to stay put influenced Sanchez to come out along with the possibility of the NFL rookie salary cap.

[SFmiraje]

not draft him. Sorry, didn't see enough from him to make me comfortable with drafting him.

[forty9ersfan80]

NO 2 sanchez and if crabtree is there we gotta go 4 it! i know i know its not a huge need but a franchise wr is hard to come by and its not like we can get one in free agency without paying a **** load. IS everyone really that satistfied with a linuep of an aging issac bruce and josh morgan as the starters?

[Ness]

No. In my opinion Drafting Mark Sanchez now will be wasting a 1st round pick just to have him sit and wait and learn. I doubt that he will come in here and blow away all the other QB competition and he will end up waiting behind Hill.
Why not get a playmaker like Harvin that we know will shine immedeatly and will be a more athletic Desean Jackson?

We don't know Harvin would shine immediately. Sitting quarterbacks is just a part of the learning process. And if you stumble upon a good one it's usually worth the wait.

[forty9ersfan80]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooo

[russelmania]

no overrated USC defense carried that team not Mark Sanchez

# 4 in the Nation in passing effeciency, and threw for over 400 yards in the Rose Bowl against Penn State.

I don't think we should take him (if available) at #10, but the guy has showed that he could play football. Problem was he only started 16 games at USC. He is coming out because both Bradford and McCoy stayed in school. If he comes out this year, he is the #2 rated QB in the draft, next year he starts as the #3 and maybe further if a couple of people have breakout years.

Simple economics why he came out this year, If you had the luxury of being able to use the #10 pick on a Qb to develop, i think he is worthy of it, but we probably don't.

[SB49er4life]

no overrated USC defense carried that team not Mark Sanchez

That's an ignorant comment. The USC defense did not throw for 30+ TD's and < 10 INT's.

[SB49er4life]

Yeah I agree. From what I am reading and form my limited experience in watching college QBs transition to the NFL it seems to be that Sanchez may not be successful. I say this because Sanchez has had very limited experience. He has only started 1 year in college. I would rather take a QB in the 3rd or 4th round. We have a starting QB right now. We need an impact player that can help us right away.

This experience thing is really the big knocker, and as a USC fan, it bugs me, too.

But can you blame the guy ? He can be passing up on 10's of millions of dollars by not declaring, and even worse, there is the question of what does he do if he blows his knee/shoulder out in college ball ?

It's a tough decision... I wish he would have stayed for another year, but at the same time, it's illogical to say that he WILL be a failure, because everyone progresses at a different rate. As long as he's not thrust into a situation where he is expected to single-handedly salvage a franchise and he can be groomed for 1-2 years, I could see him living up to his potential.

I guess we'll jsut have to wait and see what goes down.

[russelmania]

NO 2 sanchez and if crabtree is there we gotta go 4 it! i know i know its not a huge need but a franchise wr is hard to come by and its not like we can get one in free agency without paying a **** load. IS everyone really that satistfied with a linuep of an aging issac bruce and josh morgan as the starters?

Crabtree is NOT the draft pick. End of story. Not quick enough to seperate in the NFL.

[Leeding49er]

What about taking Rhett Bomar is round 3 or 4? He has as much potential as Sanchez does and he'll be alot cheaper.

Bomar could be an option in the 3rd, but a good combine may see him move into the 2nd round.

[hypothetical]

as much as I love Sanchez, we do not need a First Round QB this Year

[Ragequit]

I think I'll be...ok with us grabbing that USC QB

[eharvey03]

as much as I love Sanchez, we do not need a First Round QB this Year

word

[in4td]

I like Sanchez and think he'll be a good NFL QB. IMO he should have stayed at USC one more season. I all for selecting him but I think #10 is too early. DT/DE would be my preferance.

[rjbob]

I think it makes about as much sense as driving to work in reverse.

You makin' fun of my car, buddy?:drive:

[mooseman66]

500 post limit!!!!!!! :banghead:

[49ersCatch]

Mexican Qb.. I'm not being racist.. it's just rare to see.

[NJNiner]

If he makes it to 10, then I'd say it should be considered, or at least used as trade bait

[montana49ers]

With Mark Sanchez officially declaring for the nfl draft its safe to say that he will probably be the number 2 qb taken in the upcoming draft behind matt stafford. the only question is where??? i think he will be available at number ten and if so, i think the niners should take him, with that said shaun hill has earned his spot and deserves to start but i like sanchez as insurance if hill cant get the job done consistantly, a lot of de, dt's are staying in school and taylor mays the safety everyones crazy about is also postponing his nfl career so i think its a logical choice......................thoughts?

NO WAY, the guy has been only one year as starter and now you want to draft him, besides I don't like any QB from USC, maybe Cassel but not much.

[Cali Cardoza]

With Mark Sanchez officially declaring for the nfl draft its safe to say that he will probably be the number 2 qb taken in the upcoming draft behind matt stafford. the only question is where??? i think he will be available at number ten and if so, i think the niners should take him, with that said shaun hill has earned his spot and deserves to start but i like sanchez as insurance if hill cant get the job done consistantly, a lot of de, dt's are staying in school and taylor mays the safety everyones crazy about is also postponing his nfl career so i think its a logical choice......................thoughts?

QB is not the biggest priority...if the team's first pick is a QB I'll slit my wrists...

No, I'll smash my nuts with a sledgehammer...

No wait, I'll put Scot McCloughan's head in a vice and then proceed to tell him "I got your head in a ****in' vice" in a high-pitched goombah tone (rep to whoever gets the reference)

[benton45]

Do you think we can get Alex to pay to be on the team?

No matter where Alex goes he will be taking a substantial paycut...might as well not have to move.

[Leeding49er]

Although we shouldn't trade down for financial reasons (the 10th pick does not carry the burden of a top 5 pick), if the 9ers don't want to take Sanchez or have another player ranked highly on their board at that position, Sanchez would potentially open up the opportunity to trade down (including taking a future pick) with a side that is keen to take a QB.

Te fact is, if the 9ers are sold on Sanchez they'd be crazy not to take him. I don't think anyone can say with any certainty that Hill is the kind of QB that'll take the team deep into the play-offs, and we're dealing with hypotheticals with Smith - he might not come back, and even if he does, will he be fit enough or even get the chance to play?

Sanchez (or one or two other QBs in the late 1st / 2nd)) offer San Fran the chance to mould a Quarterback, rather than pitching him in ala Smith.

[Twolf75]

USC prospects = Overrated (IMO) some be good, but others are just over hyped (which can be said about a few colleges). besides QB isn't one of oour glaring needs though

[mfriedman81]

QB is not the biggest priority...if the team's first pick is a QB I'll slit my wrists...

No, I'll smash my nuts with a sledgehammer...

No wait, I'll put Scot McCloughan's head in a vice and then proceed to tell him "I got your head in a ****in' vice" in a high-pitched goombah tone (rep to whoever gets the reference)

Joe Pesci in Casino...But seriously, if the 49ers take Sanchez with the 10th pick, I would cry. He played really well in the Rose Bowl, but I agree with Pete when he needs another year before he is ready. But I think he is smart coming out now given all the QB's that are staying. He might allow us to get a better QB later in the draft though if someone takes him early on.

[49ersforlife5x]

Not draft him.

[DeepCross]

Not @ #10

[dhimiter]

no lets not shot our self in the foot twice.

[94949'er]

Graham......:shoot:

UR slow. did u reed each post 4rm the beeginning? wot abowt the rick bomar refrenz 2?

ah man, if I gotta explain it.........NVM

[go4niners]

anybody but sanchez! Im not impressed with him at all and he wont succeed in the nfl

[go4niners]

Kuiper is wrong. sanchez sucks big time. just wait and see the team that drafts him will be dissapointed and pray that its not us because I am excited about the 49ers future and Sanchez in the first round would be a major setback to accomplishing any success.

[DrPhysics]

wow...rape allegations...wow

Allegations... that's all they were. There was an investigation and NO EVIDENCE was found to support the allegations. None. And, that was his freshman year and there have been no incidents since then. At that point, he was a redshirt, wasn't playing, so don't even respond with "well, he got away with it because he was a football player." First, I don't think Carroll is the type of coach to cover up rape for one of his players... especially not a redshirt freshman who isn't contributing anything to the team. If you think people should be judge based on the allegations brought against them, do you also think Bush should be hanged for planning 9/11 and Obama should be hanged for committing treason by willfully and knowingly deceiving the public by pretending to be a natural born citizen when he was actually born in Kenya?

[SourdoughTony]

Kuiper is wrong. sanchez sucks big time. just wait and see the team that drafts him will be dissapointed and pray that its not us because I am excited about the 49ers future and Sanchez in the first round would be a major setback to accomplishing any success.

Did you do a search for all of the Sanchez threads just to bash him?

[TouchdownBuddha]

Did you do a search for all of the Sanchez threads just to bash him?

It's not hard to find them there are a billion of them, all on the first page.

[42Lott]

Mark "The Dirty Man" Sanchez is one heck of a QB with accuracy, but we won't look into that position that early.

He is a heck of a QB based on what...the Rose Bowl? He needs a lot more work. He should have returned to USC.

[DrPhysics]

He is a heck of a QB based on what...the Rose Bowl? He needs a lot more work. He should have returned to USC.

More work or not, Sanchez made the right decision. He lost his O-coordinator and coach, after everyone else said they were coming back, he's easily a top 10 pick. He's gonna get paid... and, at the end of the day, money talks a lot more than anything else.

[WehaveVD]

When we pass on him (SAnchez) he will no longer be a top 10 pick!!!!He should've stayed and came out in a year or two..

[sfgiantsfanmike]

Can anybody answer my question as to what else they have as a long term solution at qb if not Sanchez? I realize we have other positions of need, but qb is the most important position on the field and i just don't see hill as a franchise. Franchise qbs are hard to come by and if any of you want another dynasty, it starts there, not a pass rushing DE.

I know this is from three days ago, but I thought I would take a crack at it.

Let's start with the recent history, namely the dynasty era, of our franchise and our QB's. First QB I can name is DeBurg. He was a guy that was just good enough to run out there and hold a spot down till we developed a QB. I don't know how we got a hold of him, whether trade, signing or draft.

Joe Montana was a third round draft pick that was groomed behind DeBurg. Do I have to explain his career with the 49ers? After sitting on the bench for a few years he took the reigns and the rest is history.

Steve Young could have been a high draft choice but chose the USFL instead, hoping to finish the contract and chose his team; however, his plan was thwarted when the NFL drafted players from the USFL when it went under. We traded for him and had him ride pine for 4 years. Went on to become the best scambling QB ever.

Jeff Garcia took over from Steve Young after his career was ended with concussion problems in 1999. He was signed from the CFL. Had a good stint with us and has left fans of the 49ers hoping to "at least" get someone as good as he was.

I left out all the prime back ups, spot starters (such as Steve Bono, Elvis Garbac, ect) over that same period, but can you see the trend? Not one of those three was a high draft pick and faired more than well enough. And, to counter argue already, even if you look at successful high draft pick QB's, such as Peyton Manning, I can point you to successful late round projects, like Tom Brady.

To conclude, I don't think it's worth investing a high draft pick on another expensive and unproven QB. It's better to wait until the second or third round when the risk/reward ratio is far better. If I am to understand the rumblings, there might be a rookie cap as early as next season like the NBA has to prevent rookies from demanding elite contracts, which would/will change the risk/reward ratio. But that is not now, and may never be.

If Sanchez some how slips into the second round (which I doubt), then maybe we should grab him, but with the first round draft pick I would rather pick up someone else that fills another need because I believe Shaun Hill will do well enough. In fact, he'll probably do better than any of the rookies in this up coming class next year, even if they eventually go on to have better careers, so I would rather draft a QB in a later round, even as early as the second, and let him sit a year or two behind Shaun Hill.

Well, there's my two cents rattling on the table.

[LottdownD42]

i just love how ppl on here can bash someone about there character and know nothing about these ppl.. they can't even name a reason why they don't like his game other than the fact he played at USC.. with the most common excuse, "ooo and the just look at the USC QB history".. there all bust thing doesn't work.. Palmer? Leinart lost his job to a guy who prob should have won the MVP and is in the super bowl, and i don't think anyone actually has labeled Booty as a Franchise QB! Cassel, suddenly suprising? So stop listening to your nerdy a** usc buddies riding there parents pocket books who once tried to say hi to sanchez in line at taco bell but they got ignored and took that to heart! And if your going to claim somebody a bust, who has never played a second in the nfl, you should have a legit fact to back it up!

[thedynasty]

To conclude, I don't think it's worth investing a high draft pick on another expensive and unproven QB. It's better to wait until the second or third round when the risk/reward ratio is far better. If I am to understand the rumblings, there might be a rookie cap as early as next season like the NBA has to prevent rookies from demanding elite contracts, which would/will change the risk/reward ratio. But that is not now, and may never be.




Bill Walsh was a genius. We don't have him anymore (RIP). You have a better chance of getting a peyton manning in the first round than finding tom brady again in the 6th round. It just doesn't happen that often.

here's a list of all the qbs ever drafted but look particularly at the last 10 years.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?type=position


our best bet would be to bite the bullet and take a qb early. A first round qb has a higher chance of success (successful starter) than a guy taken later does of becoming the next matt hasselbeck or tony romo. After Drew Brees i can't remember the last second round qb to be a good starter. If there's one position to take a chance on early it's qb and possibly offensive tackle (because lineman can at least become serviceable). No position can turn a team around quicker than qb and I don't think we should be scared off because of the whole Alex Smith experiment.


By the way steve young was still a first round pick via the supplemental draft.

[NJNiner]

According to beat writer Brian VanOchten, "it seems increasingly doubtful" that the Lions will draft a QB first overall in April.


from rotoworld

just throwing it out there that either stafford or sanchez or both look like they will fall to us....not so sure about taking one though

[Ness]

from rotoworld

just throwing it out there that either stafford or sanchez or both look like they will fall to us....not so sure about taking one though

I think the fans don't want a quarterback at this point either. Or at least from what I've browsed around. Strange, didn't Jim Schwartz make a statement the other day that implied that they need to get a good signal caller in order to turn around this franchise? Hmmm, well they could always go in the later rounds.

Oh and if Sanchez falls to us I hope we select him.

[Leeding49er]

The ideal scenario no matter who we draft (and I do see the 9ers drafting a QB in the first three rounds - so Stafford (going No.1 though), Sanchez, Davis, Freeman or Bomar at best guess - is to allow them to sit for one or if possible two seasons behind Hill, or if we can restructure his deal and he proves that he's playing well, Smith.

It's very risky to chuck in any QB from day one, especially a QB like Sanchez or Davis, who have limited playing experience. Ryan and Flacco both played well this last season, but it doesn't disprove the general rule that experience before exposure is important in long-term success.

[GIANTNINERFAN]

Dirty Sanchez becomes a Lion or a Chief.....qb thing been there done that!

[superman1]

I am completely skeptical of Mark Sanchez as our QB but, earlier when he first declared for the 09 NFL Draft, ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr. placed him as our draft choice. He predicted that since all other higher rated QBs would not enter that Sanchez would be in the top 10. Because of the lack of success from A. Smith, I just don't see us drafting a QB that early. I see us drafting a OL or DL. I don't think Singletary would want to be connected with the success of Sanchez especially what happened to Nolan. I just don't see ESPN's mock being reliable. Your thoughts?has any predictions they've made been accurate this year alone, maybe the first five which is pretty obvious, after that it's everyone for themselves.

[boynamedsue0]

Just 10 minutes ago I saw Mel's new mock. It said

#3 Chief - Sanchez

and

#10 Niners - Maybin

I dont know why I even posted this because after the senior bowl everything will change. (even though those 2 players won be there because they are juniors)

[Coldrain85]

Just 10 minutes ago I saw Mel's new mock. It said

#3 Chief - Sanchez

and

#10 Niners - Maybin

Even if KC takes Sanchez there's absolutely no way were taking Maybin at #10. I would be hard pressed to consider Maybin a top 20 pick, let alone top 10. The only way that KC will be thinking QB at #3 is if Tyler Thigpen played his way off the team in 2008, which I don't think was the case. He played better in the latter half of the season despite no running game and a weak OL. KC will stick with their QB, draft OL, and Sanchez will fall to us.

[niner12]

Why get Sanchez when we can pick up Matt Cassel he had a great season!! He has experience, and he had an awesome teacher, Tom Brady!

[jackacid]

The Niners swung and missed on Alex Smith when they made him the No. 1 pick in the 2005 draft. Time to rectify that. Sanchez's stock is high right now because of his strong finish to the regular season and his performance against an excellent Penn State defense in the Rose Bowl. He'll have many questions to answer before draft day, though.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/28778620/

[keehner87]

Why get Sanchez when we can pick up Matt Cassel he had a great season!! He has experience, and he had an awesome teacher, Tom Brady!

Like I posted somewhere else, the Pats are probably going to Franchise Cassel. Either to keep him in NE as the backup and renogiate later or if they trade him, he'll have a $12mil contract. I'm all for getting Cassel but not at that price.

[Ness]

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/28778620/

Sounds good to me. I just hope he's not learning from Dan Reeves come training camp time.

[GIANTNINERFAN]

Sanchez ends up in KC......

[TerrellOwns]

Sounds good to me. I just hope he's not learning from Dan Reeves come training camp time.

yeah all that experience reeves has is no good right

[49ersAllDay52]

Why get Sanchez when we can pick up Matt Cassel he had a great season!! He has experience, and he had an awesome teacher, Tom Brady!

No.Please i know your a niner fan but please dont come on here again you make the stupiest post and thread ever.:shoot:

[MR. WEBBER]

Sanchez ends up in KC......

guess you missed how well thigpen did last year, why would the chiefs waste a pick on a qb?

[MR. WEBBER]

Why get Sanchez when we can pick up Matt Cassel he had a great season!! He has experience, and he had an awesome teacher, Tom Brady!

:slap:

stop. just stop.

[49ermanic1]

If we get Sanchez I wont be upset.

[JaketheSnake]

guess you missed how well thigpen did last year, why would the chiefs waste a pick on a qb?

There's no more Herm to support the youthful Thigpien. He also ran a simple spread because he was "handicapped". He sure showed a lot alright!... By leading his team to a 4-12 season! He frequently turned the ball over also. I never liked him, and never will. I think they'll draft Sanchez.

[Ness]

yeah all that experience reeves has is no good right

Jumping to conclusions with my statement are we? I never said Reeves isn't any good. Please don't put words into my mouth. What I was implying is that I think there are other candidates that I would prefer over Reeves.

[SING'S BOXERS]

yes to Sanchez, shutup about Cassel, I never want to hear that overrated piece of crap's name again

[Calm_Cool_49er]

God I hope that we do not select a QB with our top ten pick. We need help on the Defensive and offensive line. Plus we already have a number one overall pick that I would like see kept on the roster along with Hill who has earned a starting spot in 2009.

Our QB rotation, assuming we hash out a cheaper deal with Smith like McCloughan wants:

Hill
Smith
Sanchez

Seems like a cluster F*&# to me.

[thedynasty]

God I hope that we do not select a QB with our top ten pick. We need help on the Defensive and offensive line. Plus we already have a number one overall pick that I would like see kept on the roster along with Hill who has earned a starting spot in 2009.

Our QB rotation, assuming we hash out a cheaper deal with Smith like McCloughan wants:

Hill
Smith
Sanchez

Seems like a cluster F*&# to me.

not really. Hill would be the starter and on a short leash most likely. Smith would have first dibs to replace Hill and prove himself. Sanchez can sit and learn for a year. Decisions about who stays can be made after the season. Smith isn't the future any more, he needs to prove he belongs. I hope he does well but it's hard to be overly confident in a guy that may have been so poorly developed that he will never be the same not to mention two serious shoulder surgeries. Who knows what effects that has had on his throwing arm that wasn't that strong to begin with.


Also Alex isn't guaranteed to come back.

[Calm_Cool_49er]

True, but do we need a top-tier QB for the system Singletary wants to install? I think that a game manager is exactly who we are looking for. Lets face it, our OL and DL is extremely weak. Our Corners are mediocre at best, as are our Receivers. But we will pay top ten money to Sanchez for him to hold a clipboard for 2 years. If Sanchez was ready to step in and take the reigns then that is one thing, but from what I have heard he will need a couple of years to develope due to him leaving early.

[94949'er]

God I hope that we do not select a QB with our top ten pick. .

me neither, but it would be interesting to see how it plays out with the poster who swore to chop his **** off with a sword if we took a QB at 10.

:eek:

[thedynasty]

True, but do we need a top-tier QB for the system Singletary wants to install? I think that a game manager is exactly who we are looking for. Lets face it, our OL and DL is extremely weak. Our Corners are mediocre at best, as are our Receivers. But we will pay top ten money to Sanchez for him to hold a clipboard for 2 years. If Sanchez was ready to step in and take the reigns then that is one thing, but from what I have heard he will need a couple of years to develope due to him leaving early.


I think Sanchez can use a year then play. Our oline is looking alot better than it did starting last year. realistically we only need a RT as Staley, Baas, Heitman, and Rachal played well late in the season so it should be solid. Our DLine could use another player or two most notably a NT but it's not THAT bad. We do need a legit pass rusher but this draft has alot of them. Receivers don't need to be taken early and our corners aren't that bad. The lack of a pass rush makes them look worse than they really are. I've been very impressed with Tarell Browns play and think he can be a good number 2 or excellent nickle, we also have R. Smith to look at. Roman is gone for sure but no safety in this draft is worth a top 10 pick.

if you look at run first teams alot of them have first round picks leading them. Look at Pittsburgh (Big Ben), Atlanta (Ryan), Ravens (Flacco). Hill is decent enough to be a game manager but that only works if the games are close every sunday. At some point we will need a qb who can make the big plays, be clutch, and can be depended on when the run isn't working. I'm not convinced that Hill is that guy. On more than one occasion Hill has been horrible for the first 3 quarters to only play well in the 4th. That's not going to fly most weeks and against better competition.

I do think we need a qb and wouldn't mind Sanchez at all. Sure he's not going to contribute right away but eventually it should pay huge dividends. I think Hill is decent enough to start for a year but i don't think he's a guy we can get far into the playoffs with let alone win a super bowl.

[49ersRus]

Our QB rotation, assuming we hash out a cheaper deal with Smith like McCloughan wants:

Hill
Smith
Sanchez

Seems like a cluster F*&# to me.

Sounds like great competition to me. Odds are good that one of these guys will rise up to be the Franchise QB we have been missing for years.

If 2 guys stand up, all the better. We can either trade one of them for high draft picks or hold on to them for a bit as insurance.

[CVNiner]

Sounds like great competition to me. Odds are good that one of these guys will rise up to be the Franchise QB we have been missing for years.

If 2 guys stand up, all the better. We can either trade one of them for high draft picks or hold on to them for a bit as insurance.

thats excatly what the browns did last year, and see what happened to Anderson, it's too bad that Quinn got hurt, but they did the right thing having two good qb's on that roster.

[ny49er]

if sanchez is available at 10 we should take him... IF not we take an ol or dl or fs or trade down. then we get pat White in the 3rd or late 2nd.

honestly if we take sanchez i really don't see the team resigning smith i see just an axe unless they think hill doesn't have a longer career then 3 years

[11noble]

If he is still on the board.....should we really use our 10th pick for him...i just dont know if im too sold on him.....plus we have so many other needs (pass rusher, FS, WR, OL) I dunno its just a big risk....plus did he really prove himself in college....whats the difference between him and John D. Booty.....both won the rose bowl...I think if we pursue suggs or peppers than i would feel better....but we also gotta get some offensive weapons as in WR's...I dunno what do you guys think????

[jwallace]

No Overrated Usc Defense Made Them Good. He Is A Late First Round Pick At Best

[frk49rs]

The more I think about it, I say yes sit him behind Hill for at least 1yr. I just do not think that Sing will tie himself to a QB like his last boss did. It was kind of a souring thing...

[42Lott]

There is no way the 49ers should take him at 10. IMO he is not even a R1 talent at this point. From what I have seen he needs a lot of work on his mechanics.

[Bryon]

No Overrated Usc Defense Made Them Good. He Is A Late First Round Pick At Best




If the defense was over rated, why was it that THEY made the team as a whole good? Come on now, they allowed less than 9 points per game. They were NOT over rated. lol

[Bryon]

There is no way the 49ers should take him at 10. IMO he is not even a R1 talent at this point. From what I have seen he needs a lot of work on his mechanics.

I saw on ESPN's mock draft that McShay had us taking Sanchez with the #10 pick.

[NinerNirvana]

If the defense was over rated, why was it that THEY made the team as a whole good? Come on now, they allowed less than 9 points per game. They were NOT over rated. lol

Lemme translate:

"No, (Sanchez is) overrated. (The) USC defense made him look good. He is a late first round pick at best."

I don't think he was saying the USC defense is overrated.

I'm not a grammar Nazi, but with odd syntax and no punctuation, posts can be ambiguous and confusing.

[thedynasty]

There is no way the 49ers should take him at 10. IMO he is not even a R1 talent at this point. From what I have seen he needs a lot of work on his mechanics.


He's probably the most fundamentally sound qb in this draft. His mechanics are very good. He is without a doubt a first round talent. He has everything you look for in a qb (big arm, good accuracy, foot work, passion, and leadership ability). Yes he does lack in experience which is a big deal but i'm willing to take that chance. If he's sitting there at 10 i'd find it hard to look past him when the best and only qb guaranteed to be on the roster is Shaun Hill. Hill isn't the future, we'll have to address it sooner or later.

[42Lott]

He's probably the most fundamentally sound qb in this draft. His mechanics are very good. He is without a doubt a first round talent. He has everything you look for in a qb (big arm, good accuracy, foot work, passion, and leadership ability). Yes he does lack in experience which is a big deal but i'm willing to take that chance. If he's sitting there at 10 i'd find it hard to look past him when the best and only qb guaranteed to be on the roster is Shaun Hill. Hill isn't the future, we'll have to address it sooner or later.

IMO..No way! His footwork stinks and the fact that he seems to have difficulty reading defenses/going through his progressions is terrible. He has good accuracy, a better than average arm, passion and is tough. He does not nearly have the most sound mechanics in this draft I would put at least three in front of him...Bomar, Painter and Willy, just to name a few.

[42Lott]

I saw on ESPN's mock draft that McShay had us taking Sanchez with the #10 pick.

There are quite a few Mocks that have the 49ers taking him at 10. I sincerely hope that does not happen.

[thedynasty]

IMO..No way! His footwork stinks and the fact that he seems to have difficulty reading defenses/going through his progressions is terrible. He has good accuracy, a better than average arm, passion and is tough. He does not nearly have the most sound mechanics in this draft I would put at least three in front of him...Bomar, Painter and Willy, just to name a few.


did you watch the penn st. game? to me that was just a highlight of everything he can do. He displayed great zip and great deep ball accuracy. He showed his ability to read defenses, look off defenders, and lead his receivers. I was very impressed. And no that wasn't the only game i saw this season.

His mechanics are very good and that's just a testament to the offense and tutelage he gets at USC, which boast the most pro offense in college football. He's not perfect by any means but he's farther along than most qbs about what he's going to see in the pros. Certain issues he had earlier in the year seemed to have improved by the penn st. game.



Strengths: Solid size and adequate bulk ... Impressive statistical production in junior season ... Extremely fluid athlete ... Outstanding mobility ... Great pocket awareness and knows how to step up into and around the pocket to get the ball off ... Has the sixth sense for the pass rush ... Strong arm and can make all the NFL throws, but it isn't elite ... Very solid, consistent accuracy ... Fluid footwork ... Very quick release ... Nice touch on the football ... Throws a sweet deep ball ... Looks like a natural in the pocket and throwing the ball on the run .... Highly intelligent ... Spent four years at USC around a traditional West Coast playbook ... Field general ... Reportedly great work ethic ... Extremely high upside.
http://www.walterfootball.com/pro2009msanchez.php

[bigPaco80]

You take him, let him sit a year behind Hill to learn and groom him to be the next great niner qb

[SING'S BOXERS]

as long as he's more like Carson Palmer than Leinart....

[49ersRus]

He's probably the most fundamentally sound qb in this draft. His mechanics are very good. He is without a doubt a first round talent. He has everything you look for in a qb (big arm, good accuracy, foot work, passion, and leadership ability).

Yes, very true. Which is what concerns me. After the combines where he shows his skills, there is a good chance he shoots up to #1 or #3.

We might get lucky though. Fingers crossed!

[42Lott]

You can quote WalterFootball all you want, I tend to trust my eyes over the opinion of others. It usually works out well for me. I fully admit that he was very good in the Penn State game however, I don't think he is nearly the QB that Ryan was last year or Quinn was in 2007. Only time will tell.

[thedynasty]

You can quote WalterFootball all you want, I tend to trust my eyes over the opinion of others. It usually works out well for me. I fully admit that he was very good in the Penn State game however, I don't think he is nearly the QB that Ryan was last year or Quinn was in 2007. Only time will tell.


as i said i watched many usc games this year too(how can you not they're on all the time) and i saw steady improvement from him all year long. The analysis backup my eyes. To me he has the most upside, he's not pro ready but i think Shaun Hill can afford us a year to develop. Like you said, we will see what unfolds in the coming months. The combine and workouts will be very telling.

[pickelweasel]

If he is still on the board.....should we really use our 10th pick for him...i just dont know if im too sold on him.....plus we have so many other needs (pass rusher, FS, WR, OL) I dunno its just a big risk....plus did he really prove himself in college....whats the difference between him and John D. Booty.....both won the rose bowl...I think if we pursue suggs or peppers than i would feel better....but we also gotta get some offensive weapons as in WR's...I dunno what do you guys think????

There are so many reasons why I hate you for this post.

[49ersRus]

You can quote WalterFootball all you want, I tend to trust my eyes over the opinion of others. It usually works out well for me. I fully admit that he was very good in the Penn State game however, I don't think he is nearly the QB that Ryan was last year or Quinn was in 2007. Only time will tell.

He was very raw at the start of the season, and he got the knee injury he had to overcome as well. Which is probably what you saw earlier in the year, because I saw it too.

As his knee healed, his footwork improved accordingly. Plus, what impressed me the most was the steady improvement over the season. He could have been satisfied winning games just on his athleticism and a strong defense. Instead, he worked on becoming a great QB. He still has a ways to go, but I like the current trajectory.

[42Lott]

He was very raw at the start of the season, and he got the knee injury he had to overcome as well. Which is probably what you saw earlier in the year, because I saw it too.

As his knee healed, his footwork improved accordingly. Plus, what impressed me the most was the steady improvement over the season. He could have been satisfied winning games just on his athleticism and a strong defense. Instead, he worked on becoming a great QB. He still has a ways to go, but I like the current trajectory.

That is a very good point and if I still had the late season games on my DVR I would go back and watch him. I am not saying that he isn't talented and that he didn't improve but I still think he should have stayed in and taken another year of reading defenses which, I believe is his biggest weakness, and getting his drop backs down and getting his hot reads down.

[LottdownD42]

There is no way the 49ers should take him at 10. IMO he is not even a R1 talent at this point. From what I have seen he needs a lot of work on his mechanics.


That is a very good point and if I still had the late season games on my DVR I would go back and watch him. I am not saying that he isn't talented and that he didn't improve but I still think he should have stayed in and taken another year of reading defenses which, I believe is his biggest weakness, and getting his drop backs down and getting his hot reads down.

Are you putting in the fact that there is no proven QB in this draft? Every QB has to re-tool/change there Mechanics to the desire of the team that takes them? To say Sanchez doesn't have 1st round talent is rediculous! His physical intagibles alone are far more superior than: Lienart, Quinn, Rogers, Smith, and Rivers! If foot work and needs more exp. reading defenses is your big knock then i feel pretty good bout taking him! 'IF' he came here he'd be on clip board duty for the first year... would you rather him learn how to read defense against teams like Washington or NFL teams? IMO he'd learn and gain a lot more on the sidelines and in an NFL film room!

[MR. WEBBER]

sanchez would be a wasted pick at 10. we have much bigger needs then at qb. i dont want my number 10 pick to sit the bench for 2-3 years before he does anything.

[42Lott]

Are you putting in the fact that there is no proven QB in this draft? Every QB has to re-tool/change there Mechanics to the desire of the team that takes them? To say Sanchez doesn't have 1st round talent is rediculous! His physical intagibles alone are far more superior than: Lienart, Quinn, Rogers, Smith, and Rivers! If foot work and needs more exp. reading defenses is your big knock then i feel pretty good bout taking him! 'IF' he came here he'd be on clip board duty for the first year... would you rather him learn how to read defense against teams like Washington or NFL teams? IMO he'd learn and gain a lot more on the sidelines and in an NFL film room!

You are way off base, not every QB needs to change his mechanics, that comment is absurd. IMO he does not have R1 talent. When you compare him to other QBs in the draft there is always someone above him in every category. I am just commenting on guys I watched multiple times this year and keep in mind these are my OPINIONS based on what I observed this year.

Deep Ball - Stafford, Freeman

Drop Back - Freeman, Painter

Quick Release - Stafford, Willy, Harrell

Pocket presence - Freeman, Harrell, White

Touch/Catchable - Harper

If he is so superior than all those other prospects you named why were they all graded out about the same? Not to mention, two of the other QBs are considered to have elite size, Lienart and Rivers.

[WhistlingMtn]

You are way off base, not every QB needs to change his mechanics, that comment is absurd. IMO he does not have R1 talent. When you compare him to other QBs in the draft there is always someone above him in every category. I am just commenting on guys I watched multiple times this year and keep in mind these are my OPINIONS based on what I observed this year.

Deep Ball - Stafford, Freeman

Drop Back - Freeman, Painter

Quick Release - Stafford, Willy, Harrell

Pocket presence - Freeman, Harrell, White

Touch/Catchable - Harper

If he is so superior than all those other prospects you named why were they all graded out about the same? Not to mention, two of the other QBs are considered to have elite size, Lienart and Rivers.

None of your three pocket presence guys have pocket presence. Harrel played in a quick release spread and White generally only had 2 reads then run mentality. Freeman was just horrible in the pocket.

Cullen Harper for Touch? The guy is super accurate at times and inaccurate at others, but he doesn't play with touch, he zips the ball. There are a slew of "weak arm" qbs this year with good touch.

Sanchez is a good prospect because he has no "bad" part of his game, and has a high ceiling. The idea is that if he stays in school 1 more year, he will get the same amount better as sitting in the NFL, but he'll be a top 5 pick. Parts of his game need more development, but of the aspects of QB

Mental Ability
Pocket Presence
Release
Strength
Mobility

He is solid in all of them. He's also had 4 years of education in a pro style offense. The only reason some fans hate the pick ( and others lament its possibility) is because the team has other holes and they really f-ed up on Alex Smith. At the end of the day, if you want a top QB this is where you find him. I'll personally be disappointed if they don't end up with Stafford, Sanchez, or Davis.

[NY2ThaBay08]

no way

[finesse49ers]

He's probably the most fundamentally sound qb in this draft. His mechanics are very good. He is without a doubt a first round talent. He has everything you look for in a qb (big arm, good accuracy, foot work, passion, and leadership ability). Yes he does lack in experience which is a big deal but i'm willing to take that chance. If he's sitting there at 10 i'd find it hard to look past him when the best and only qb guaranteed to be on the roster is Shaun Hill. Hill isn't the future, we'll have to address it sooner or later.

did you watch the penn st. game? to me that was just a highlight of everything he can do. He displayed great zip and great deep ball accuracy. He showed his ability to read defenses, look off defenders, and lead his receivers. I was very impressed. And no that wasn't the only game i saw this season.

His mechanics are very good and that's just a testament to the offense and tutelage he gets at USC, which boast the most pro offense in college football. He's not perfect by any means but he's farther along than most qbs about what he's going to see in the pros. Certain issues he had earlier in the year seemed to have improved by the penn st. game.



http://www.walterfootball.com/pro2009msanchez.php

You take him, let him sit a year behind Hill to learn and groom him to be the next great niner qb

None of your three pocket presence guys have pocket presence. Harrel played in a quick release spread and White generally only had 2 reads then run mentality. Freeman was just horrible in the pocket.

Cullen Harper for Touch? The guy is super accurate at times and inaccurate at others, but he doesn't play with touch, he zips the ball. There are a slew of "weak arm" qbs this year with good touch.

Sanchez is a good prospect because he has no "bad" part of his game, and has a high ceiling. The idea is that if he stays in school 1 more year, he will get the same amount better as sitting in the NFL, but he'll be a top 5 pick. Parts of his game need more development, but of the aspects of QB

Mental Ability
Pocket Presence
Release
Strength
Mobility

He is solid in all of them. He's also had 4 years of education in a pro style offense. The only reason some fans hate the pick ( and others lament its possibility) is because the team has other holes and they really f-ed up on Alex Smith. At the end of the day, if you want a top QB this is where you find him. I'll personally be disappointed if they don't end up with Stafford, Sanchez, or Davis.

You draft him, plain and simple. How many more years are we going to wait to get our QB situation settled? When I say settled I'm talking about like the Colts, Patriots, Giants, Falcons, Ravens, and Steelers type of settled. And please stop crying about Alex Smith already. It's over and done with. Hopefully Singletary and whoever the offensive coordinator is doesn't mess him development up by restricting him and making him a handoff QB. Shaun Hill, if it has to be him as our starter is short term. Let's get our QB reputation back up.

[42Lott]

None of your three pocket presence guys have pocket presence. Harrel played in a quick release spread and White generally only had 2 reads then run mentality. Freeman was just horrible in the pocket.

Cullen Harper for Touch? The guy is super accurate at times and inaccurate at others, but he doesn't play with touch, he zips the ball. There are a slew of "weak arm" qbs this year with good touch.

Sanchez is a good prospect because he has no "bad" part of his game, and has a high ceiling. The idea is that if he stays in school 1 more year, he will get the same amount better as sitting in the NFL, but he'll be a top 5 pick. Parts of his game need more development, but of the aspects of QB

Mental Ability
Pocket Presence
Release
Strength
Mobility

He is solid in all of them. He's also had 4 years of education in a pro style offense. The only reason some fans hate the pick ( and others lament its possibility) is because the team has other holes and they really f-ed up on Alex Smith. At the end of the day, if you want a top QB this is where you find him. I'll personally be disappointed if they don't end up with Stafford, Sanchez, or Davis.

Seeing your response leads me to one question...do you watch anything but Pac-10 football?

You obviously have no idea what is meant by pocket presence. Harrell is a guy with lower than average mobility that plays in a spread, which is not a great combo yet, he only got sacked a handful of times in over 600 attempts. A lot of that had to do with his vision and being able to feel pressure and step up and find a receiver. White is another guy that you complete have no idea who he is. He had close to 300 PA this year. How does that happen if he doesn't sit in the pocket and try to make a play with his arm? Freeman is another whiff by you. Just look at the LA-La game and you tell me his pocket presence is terrible. His ability to sense pressure saved KState on more than one occasion in that game and that is just one game.

We must be talking about completely different players. Cullen Harper doesn't throw with zip and when he needs to he has to put absolutely everything he has into it, like throwing a javelin.

I never said Sanchez wasn't a good prospect, all I said was I didn't think he was a R1 talent just yet. You said it yourself, He is solid in all of them but not great in any of them. To think he wont learn from another year in college is ludicrous. His weakest part of the game is reading defenses and to me he needs to play to get better at that.

I am sure he will be picked in the top 10 I just hope it is not the 49ers who do the drafting because I am not impressed with the sum of the work.

[agent23]

All I know is, if they draft Sanchez, they better not **** up his development like they did with Smith. Let him sit a few years before he is ready to come out. If they were to draft him, they definitely need to let Smith go. Let him sit behind Hill and keep Jamie Martin to be his backup and have Sanchez be the 3rd QB this year.

[benton45]

YEAH!! then we can have a number 1 pick and a number 10 pick backing up an undrafted free agent.

[agent23]

YEAH!! then we can have a number 1 pick and a number 10 pick backing up an undrafted free agent.

Oh yea, I've been meaning to ask you. What's with the sig and the avatar?

[WhistlingMtn]

Seeing your response leads me to one question...do you watch anything but Pac-10 football?

I probably watch more SEC than anything. Of the Pac 10 I do watch, it's basically all USC related ( due to what gets on TV ).


You obviously have no idea what is meant by pocket presence.Harrell is a guy with lower than average mobility that plays in a spread, which is not a great combo yet, he only got sacked a handful of times in over 600 attempts. A lot of that had to do with his vision and being able to feel pressure and step up and find a receiver.

Ok, here is where you're almost instantly wrong. You seem to have the right idea with that last statement, but this is not what Harrel does, nor what ANY spread QB has to do. The spread is based off of quick routes and starting in the shot gun. They have 1-2 reads and generally throw to the first guy. Guys are open right away and the ball is out, that is why they don't get sacked, not because of their pocket presence. Playing in the spread will more than not lead you to have poor/undeveloped pocket presence.

White is another guy that you complete have no idea who he is. He had close to 300 PA this year. How does that happen if he doesn't sit in the pocket and try to make a play with his arm?

I love Pat White, but not as a QB. His passes are all quick reads off the line of scrimmage. Do you think Tim Tebow has great pocket presence too?

Freeman is another whiff by you. Just look at the LA-La game and you tell me his pocket presence is terrible. His ability to sense pressure saved KState on more than one occasion in that game and that is just one game.

His athletic ability to get out of the pocket was pretty good, his pocket presense? Not so much. Donovan McNabb, Jeff Garcia, two guys that have great ability to get out of the pocket and make plays, but that doesn't mean they have good pocket presence. Nate Davis is another guy like this. Don't get me wrong, I like Davis and to a lesser degree Freeman, but don't confuse what pocket presence is.

Addendum: It's very hard to judge pocket presence for college QBs in general. Basically impossible for most. Doesn't mean they don't have it, just means there's not enough evidence out there to declare it one way or the other.


We must be talking about completely different players. Cullen Harper doesn't throw with zip and when he needs to he has to put absolutely everything he has into it, like throwing a javelin.

I've only seen 5 Clemson games in the last 2 years, so maybe you're right. In the games I've seen though he tends to put everything on a line. I've never seen him make a pass over a line backer under a safety. The definitive touch throw for me.


I never said Sanchez wasn't a good prospect, all I said was I didn't think he was a R1 talent just yet. You said it yourself, but not great in any of them. To think he wont learn from another year in college is ludicrous. His weakest part of the game is reading defenses and to me he needs to play to get better at that.

I guess that all depends on whether you think reading crappy PAC-10 defenses is better than playing in pre-season games and practice games, and maybe getting some playing time towards the end of the year. Personally I think his inexperience is being made way too much of. He's spent 4 years on the roster.

Also, I do think he has some great ability, I was just more pointing out the fact that he doesn't have a major weakness and he has a ton of upside.


I am sure he will be picked in the top 10 I just hope it is not the 49ers who do the drafting because I am not impressed with the sum of the work.

Who are you impressed with? Which QB would you want the 49ers to take this year or, heck, even next?

I guess for myself personally I keep hearing about how next years QB class will be the class, then I look ahead and the top guys are Bradford, Tebow and McCoy. All spread QBs who operate out of the shotgun and will have serious problems transitioning ( or in Tebow's case, playing QB at all ) to the NFL. This is the year to take a guy and it really has to be one of the top 3 or 4 because there is a massive drop off after that.

[Tracker]

No Overrated Usc Defense Made Them Good. He Is A Late First Round Pick At Best

I fail to see why he is s first rounder at all. He has played in what… 19 college games on a team loaded with pro ready talent? He has barely begun his acclimation to the college game let alone the speed of the pro game.

I am not saying he will not make a good pro some day but a team is going to pay first round money for a 2 year clipboard holder that may or may not be the real thing?

[42Lott]

Who are you impressed with? Which QB would you want the 49ers to take this year or, heck, even next?

I guess for myself personally I keep hearing about how next years QB class will be the class, then I look ahead and the top guys are Bradford, Tebow and McCoy. All spread QBs who operate out of the shotgun and will have serious problems transitioning ( or in Tebow's case, playing QB at all ) to the NFL. This is the year to take a guy and it really has to be one of the top 3 or 4 because there is a massive drop off after that.

I wont continue the spitting contest about pocket presence or Harper. So, lets move on.

I am not one that thinks a QB cant be had next year but I do agree that one doesn't know if the game sill translate but it will be the case more often than not at least in the short term because more and more teams or moving to a spread type of offense.

There are two QBs that I think could be very good pros. One is Curtis Painter. He has the size, very good mechanics, good release, great pocket presence, throws well on the move and a lot of experience against some very good defenses. All-in-all a very well rounded QB. He can be a bit wild at times trying to do to much but that can be corrected. Plus, Tiller has produced one of the better QBs in the league, Brees, and another affective QB, Orton. IMO, Painter has more physical tools than either Brees or Orton, so someone does not misconstrue my words in no way am I saying he will be as good as either one of those two, and he could be had in R3 Second, Drew Willy. Good size not great size, very good mechanics, great release, stands tall in the pocket and quite a bit of experience. Did not play top competition, and only took about half his snaps from under center. All the other things are tools that would be desirable and could be had R5-R6.

[WhistlingMtn]

I wont continue the spitting contest about pocket presence or Harper. So, lets move on.

I thought we were discussing his "touch"


There are two QBs that I think could be very good pros. One is Curtis Painter. He has the size, very good mechanics, good release, great pocket presence, throws well on the move and a lot of experience against some very good defenses. All-in-all a very well rounded QB. He can be a bit wild at times trying to do to much but that can be corrected. Plus, Tiller has produced one of the better QBs in the league, Brees, and another affective QB, Orton. IMO, Painter has more physical tools than either Brees or Orton, so someone does not misconstrue my words in no way am I saying he will be as good as either one of those two, and he could be had in R3 Second, Drew Willy. Good size not great size, very good mechanics, great release, stands tall in the pocket and quite a bit of experience. Did not play top competition, and only took about half his snaps from under center. All the other things are tools that would be desirable and could be had R5-R6.

I guess you are in the definitive "other camp" for the QB argument. This is to say that people are in two camps for getting a QB.

1.) It's less risky to get a guy in the middle to late rounds

2.) Starting quality QBs tend to come from high picks who have a high ceiling, yes high picks are risky, but that's how ya play the game.

I'm obviously in the latter. The odds on grabbing a starting QB after the 2nd round is a little worse than 1 in 35 and the odds of grabbing one in the 1st or 2nd round is a little better than 1 in 4.

[thedynasty]

I thought we were discussing his "touch"



2.) Starting quality QBs tend to come from high picks who have a high ceiling, yes high picks are risky, but that's how ya play the game.

I'm obviously in the latter. The odds on grabbing a starting QB after the 2nd round is a little worse than 1 in 35 and the odds of grabbing one in the 1st or 2nd round is a little better than 1 in 4.


Very true. THe best qbs in the league tend to come from the first round even. Sure there are matt hasselbecks, kurt warners, and tony romos but those are few an far between, very rare. I've seen reports that say that success rates of qbs taken in round one (though not really high) is alot higher than all the other rounds combined. I don't remember the last 2nd round qb to have long term success after Drew Bress? Maybe it was Brett Favre (class of 91)? Most of the time when a late round pick has success he does it with another team, case in point: Derek Anderson- drafted by ravens, goes to pro bowl with Browns and Marc Bulger- drafted by NO Saints, pro bowler for St. Louis Rams. If we are going to grab a qb, i rather grab one early than someone late. The chances of success are much greater. For every tom brady there is a Giovanni Carmazzi, Chris Redman, Tee Martin, Spergon Wynn, etc.

[SB49er4life]

You are way off base, not every QB needs to change his mechanics, that comment is absurd. IMO he does not have R1 talent. When you compare him to other QBs in the draft there is always someone above him in every category. I am just commenting on guys I watched multiple times this year and keep in mind these are my OPINIONS based on what I observed this year.

Deep Ball - Stafford, Freeman

Drop Back - Freeman, Painter

Quick Release - Stafford, Willy, Harrell

Pocket presence - Freeman, Harrell, White

Touch/Catchable - Harper

If he is so superior than all those other prospects you named why were they all graded out about the same? Not to mention, two of the other QBs are considered to have elite size, Lienart and Rivers.

According to WHO ? It was either Mayock or Todd McShay who came said once Sanchez declared that he grades out higher than any QB that has ever came out of USC in the last few years - including Matt Leinart and Carson Palmer.

[SB49er4life]

I fail to see why he is s first rounder at all. He has played in what… 19 college games on a team loaded with pro ready talent? He has barely begun his acclimation to the college game let alone the speed of the pro game.

I am not saying he will not make a good pro some day but a team is going to pay first round money for a 2 year clipboard holder that may or may not be the real thing?

While what you're saying about his inexperience is true (and the most factual argument anyone has used against Sanchez), he still looked more impressive than any of the other QB's coming out this year.

For a team that is truly in "rebuilding" mode, it would be smart to stay away from Sanchez, because there is a 99% chance fan pressure will lead to doing something dumb and putting him in too early.

Expecting him to be a "hero" in a place like Kansas City or Detroit will look ugly.

The best place for him to go would be to a team where QB is a 2nd rate need, kinda like what Bronco's and Packer's did a couple years ago with Jay Cutler and Aaron Rodgers. Have a legit starter in place, bring Sanchez along slowly... and if he is the real deal, he will eventually win out.

Which is why I think SF would be a good landing spot for him. Even if Shaun Hill hasn't proven that he's a "Franchise QB", he is still a guy that you can TRUST to man he ship and give you decent QB play.

As for Sanchez being a risk... I think it's safe to say that ANY QB with a high ceiling taken early is a huge risk. It's just the nature of the beast. There is no such thing as a "safe bet" when drafting a QB, and outside of the rare exceptions like Brady/Romo, the good QB's in the league (McNabb, Roethlisberger, A. Rodgers, J. Cutler, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, etc.) all came from the 1st round.

In short, the Junior thing doesn't bother me.... so long as the team that picks him can be patient in his development.

[42Lott]

I guess you are in the definitive "other camp" for the QB argument. This is to say that people are in two camps for getting a QB.

1.) It's less risky to get a guy in the middle to late rounds

2.) Starting quality QBs tend to come from high picks who have a high ceiling, yes high picks are risky, but that's how ya play the game.

I'm obviously in the latter. The odds on grabbing a starting QB after the 2nd round is a little worse than 1 in 35 and the odds of grabbing one in the 1st or 2nd round is a little better than 1 in 4.

It has nothing to do with less risky. If there was a QB I felt that was worthy of the 10th pick I would certainly be all for it. I just dont think Sanchez is worthy. IMO he just hasn't shown enough.

[Douce]

I can't stand seeing 1 year wonders in the first rd. Balmer was our mess up last year. 1 good senior year and he's all of a sudden great.

[Coldrain85]

KC will probably take Sanchez at #3, especially if he has a good combine. If we don't take him there is absolutely no way he will make it past Chicago. The dude will go in the top 20. There's no doubt about it.

Sanchez needs to be drafted by a team that currently has a somewhat stable QB situation. He has all kinds of potential, but he needs at least 2 years of development.

[SB49er4life]

KC will probably take Sanchez at #3, especially if he has a good combine. If we don't take him there is absolutely no way he will make it past Chicago. The dude will go in the top 20. There's no doubt about it.

Sanchez needs to be drafted by a team that currently has a somewhat stable QB situation. He has all kinds of potential, but he needs at least 2 years of development.

We will now exactly HOW real he is when KC is on the clock and Pioli is pulling the trigger, even though it's gonna be very hard for them to pass on a top OT.

Agree 100% with your last statement... which is why I don't think SF would be a bad landing spot for him. With Shaun Hill's impressive play last year, there will be no rush for us to start a rookie QB. But I do now question the offensive staff that he would be developing under, which is basically all former RB coaches...

[MR. WEBBER]

i dont see KC taking a qb in the first round. thigpen played great for them last year. why would they waste that?

[WhistlingMtn]

i dont see KC taking a qb in the first round. thigpen played great for them last year. why would they waste that?

New regime.

They're usually given 3-4 years to get something done, and it takes 2-3 years to develop a QB. Meaning, if they're gonna take a QB high, this is the year to do it, even if they're not playing this year.

[thedynasty]

New regime.

They're usually given 3-4 years to get something done, and it takes 2-3 years to develop a QB. Meaning, if they're gonna take a QB high, this is the year to do it, even if they're not playing this year.

they are going to be run by Scott Pioli thought and it's not very like him to go qb high. Who knows he could do it but that goes away from how he did things in the past. That team had the least amount of sacks in the league and the defense was horrible.

[MR. WEBBER]

New regime.

They're usually given 3-4 years to get something done, and it takes 2-3 years to develop a QB. Meaning, if they're gonna take a QB high, this is the year to do it, even if they're not playing this year.

it would be a waste of a very high pick. they could use alot of help other places. shore up those positions first when you have a qb that is young and capable of running your offense. they had a great draft last year, build on that. dont waste a pick that will sit for 2-3 years.

[49ersRus]

Didn't Pioli draft Matt Cassel from USC? That worked out well for him, and Mark Sanchez is a much better prospect.

I am worried that KC is going to grab Mark before we do.

[thedynasty]

Didn't Pioli draft Matt Cassel from USC? That worked out well for him, and Mark Sanchez is a much better prospect.

I am worried that KC is going to grab Mark before we do.

I don't see the correlation. Because he drafted one qb from USC, in the 7th round mind you, that he's more likely to grab another USC QB in the top 3 picks. IF anything his drafting of Tom Brady and Matt Cassell would indicate that he's more likely to try to find a QB later in the draft than earlier.

[NJfaithful78]

If there is a football guy that doesn't hate the Niners, then we won't.

[WhistlingMtn]

it would be a waste of a very high pick. they could use alot of help other places. shore up those positions first when you have a qb that is young and capable of running your offense. they had a great draft last year, build on that. dont waste a pick that will sit for 2-3 years.

Whether it's a waste or not is personal opinion of him and the other players available.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I think you are vastly over-rating the worth of Thigpen.

[NinerCapHell]

His physical intagibles alone
physical intangibles? what?

[SB49er4life]

Didn't Pioli draft Matt Cassel from USC? That worked out well for him, and Mark Sanchez is a much better prospect.

I am worried that KC is going to grab Mark before we do.

Who knows what Pioli is thinking.

You also gotta remember that there will be 4 top OT's in this years draft, 4 guys you can expect to start Wk 1 and be cornerstones for years to come... as much potential as Sanchez has, I could easily see him being passed up in favor a top LT.

Convential wisdom always says to build your teams from the inside-out, and while I personally think Sanchez can be a good QB in the NFL, there is still much more risk involved in drafting an early-entry QB than a top OT.

[MR. WEBBER]

Whether it's a waste or not is personal opinion of him and the other players available.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I think you are vastly over-rating the worth of Thigpen.

look at his numbers and then tell me how im over-rating him. he was the 3rd string qb. he put up good numbers for being a 3rd stringer.

[LottdownD42]

You are way off base, not every QB needs to change his mechanics, that comment is absurd. IMO he does not have R1 talent. When you compare him to other QBs in the draft there is always someone above him in every category. I am just commenting on guys I watched multiple times this year and keep in mind these are my OPINIONS based on what I observed this year.

Deep Ball - Stafford, Freeman

Drop Back - Freeman, Painter

Quick Release - Stafford, Willy, Harrell

Pocket presence - Freeman, Harrell, White

Touch/Catchable - Harper

If he is so superior than all those other prospects you named why were they all graded out about the same? Not to mention, two of the other QBs are considered to have elite size, Lienart and Rivers.

I think your stuck in hater mode with everyone questioning your knowledge of QB's and Sanchez in general! Your honestly telling me he wouldn't finish in the top of any of your 'categories' that make a QB? Then why does every scout in the Nation, people who get paid to be right and know there ****, have him ranked above every player you listed!
Im not gonna chew up your ratings too much seeing how ppl already did.. Pocket presence and White? This tells me all i need to know, what pocket did he throw in.. he was a short/intermediat passer out of the shotgun if he wasen't running the ball in his TRIPPLE OPTION OFFENCE! He threw on the run most of the time! Painter imo has the quickest release! Drop Back? You have Freeman.. props.. played in a pro offence! Painter.. Shotgun again! Safford, Sanchez, Freeman.. imo!
As for Changing mechanics...
Those include, droping back, making reads, throwing motion, footwork rolling outside the pocket exc exc... No QB comes out perfect.. Every team molds them how the want! Esp with most QB's playing in shotgun offenses..
Ex. Carr's hold and delievery and Leftwich pat before he threw!

I don't understand what the hell your asking about Rivers and Leinart.. Yes they have size.. good scouting bud!

physical intangibles? what?

are you an english professor?
Has great physical ablities as well as above average intangibles! Sry for the confusion due to the fact that i got lazy and didn't want to type that all out at the time.

[WiltonDeportes]

If we come away with Sanchez, Brace, and a FB with great running and blocking talent I'll be very happy about this draft.

[WhistlingMtn]

look at his numbers and then tell me how im over-rating him. he was the 3rd string qb. he put up good numbers for being a 3rd stringer.

I'm looking at his numbers.. 6th worst rating in the league, played between mediocre and poor in 6 of the last 7 games. 54% completion rate, 6.2 yards per attempt.

He had 4 games that you could consider good out of 13 appearances.

Is he good enough to be the sacrificial lamb next year? Sure, but he's not even as good as Shaun Hill, who has no business being a long term starter.

[LottdownD42]

I'm looking at his numbers.. 6th worst rating in the league, played between mediocre and poor in 6 of the last 7 games. 54% completion rate, 6.2 yards per attempt.

He had 4 games that you could consider good out of 13 appearances.

Is he good enough to be the sacrificial lamb next year? Sure, but he's not even as good as Shaun Hill, who has no business being a long term starter.

Palmer had 8 good games his last season and won the Hiesman, top pick, and he turned out great! Would you say looking at his entire college career he'd be a pro bowl QB without the knowledge you have now!
Im not saying Sanchez doesn't have flaws.. im saying he has an extremely high potential! Its like drafting a 6'8 kid with a 40 inch verticle in the NBA... You never know if he's going to get a jumper or work hard to become great.. its all what you like about what he offers you in the future with your guidance! Sanchez has great physical abilities and has proven to be a hard worker, smart, coachable, and tough! The rest is all up to coaching staff and timing!

[LottdownD42]

We were discussing Thigpen, not Sanchez.


Yea i got that afterward.. i was still stuck on sanchez comparisons in mind.. lol then i just didn't feel like deleting everything i wrote..
agree with you on Thigpen tho.. good find on the stats! :pards:

[LottdownD42]

I'll make this really easy; if Mark Sanchez is still on the board, we pass on him. And we'd do it again in the second round if he were available!

Yea.. soo whats your idea of fixing the QB situation... No A. Smith, No Sanchez.. even in the 2nd.. Im guessing your big on S. Hill which isn't bad but a back up plan should be in place!
What do you have for us?

[WhistlingMtn]

Palmer had 8 good games his last season and won the Hiesman, top pick, and he turned out great! Would you say looking at his entire college career he'd be a pro bowl QB without the knowledge you have now!
Im not saying Sanchez doesn't have flaws.. im saying he has an extremely high potential! Its like drafting a 6'8 kid with a 40 inch verticle in the NBA... You never know if he's going to get a jumper or work hard to become great.. its all what you like about what he offers you in the future with your guidance! Sanchez has great physical abilities and has proven to be a hard worker, smart, coachable, and tough! The rest is all up to coaching staff and timing!

We were discussing Thigpen, not Sanchez.

[49ersforlife5x]

I'll make this really easy; if Mark Sanchez is still on the board, we pass on him. And we'd do it again in the second round if he were available!

[MR. WEBBER]

I'm looking at his numbers.. 6th worst rating in the league, played between mediocre and poor in 6 of the last 7 games. 54% completion rate, 6.2 yards per attempt.

He had 4 games that you could consider good out of 13 appearances.

Is he good enough to be the sacrificial lamb next year? Sure, but he's not even as good as Shaun Hill, who has no business being a long term starter.

anyone that knows football knows the passer rating is not a good measure of a qb. look at his yards per game and how many td's he had. i would want a qb that moves the ball and puts it in the end zone. and thats what he did. the 2 qb's ahead of him couldnt do that.

[WhistlingMtn]

anyone that knows football knows the passer rating is not a good measure of a qb. look at his yards per game and how many td's he had. i would want a qb that moves the ball and puts it in the end zone. and thats what he did. the 2 qb's ahead of him couldnt do that.

The qb rating over a large number of games is a good measure.

Please look at his stats again, he was never impressive yards wise. Everything about why people like him was in a 3 game stretch where they played well against some poor defenses before he returned to being mediocre at best for the last 7 games of the season. Not 1 or 2 games, but 7 games. The point at which he should have been getting better he didn't. If defenses were figuring him out at that point how good will he be next year?

[MR. WEBBER]

what do you consider impressive numbers? a qb doesnt have to throw for over 300 yards to be effective. i think his numbers look good and his td's speak for themselves. his oline was crap and not much of a running game to help him out. not to mention he was behind in almost every game. i would take him as a qb on our team. guy is a gamer.

[brucey_72]

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[JRO49]

Sanchez has huge boom or bust potential. I rather take Nate Davis in the secondvround

[Jedi49er]

I fail to see why he is s first rounder at all. He has played in what… 19 college games on a team loaded with pro ready talent? He has barely begun his acclimation to the college game let alone the speed of the pro game.


Brillant post! I've been on the this board for years but hardly actually post b/c it usually turns into a p*ssing match between member but I have to weigh in here.

The guy has one inconsistant year as a starter under this belt, a year in which he was also injured.

The guy has a good bowl game and now he is the next best thing since sliced bread. It is rediculous the hype he is getting from that one game. I'm not saying he won't be a solid qb some day but give me a break.

This is a Vince Young scenerio all over again.

[smann0361]

Everyone here seems to think that its just the quarterback position that is risky in the uper half of the first round. An analysis of past drafts will show that a substantial majority of franchise quarterbacks were picked in the first round. The Tom Bradys and the Joe Montana's are very rare exceptions. Everyone keeps harping about how picking a defensive lineman will somehow get us to the promise land. IT WONT. Then who here can say for sure that xyz player is less of a risk than abc player. Look at last year....all the top defensive linemen taken in the top 10 of the draft (Vernon Gholston, Sedrick Ellis, and Glen Dorsey) had negligible contributions to their teams. So who here can say that FOR SURE a B.J. Raji will become a pro bowler, or any of the other defensive lineman? Look at our 8th pick in Vernon Davis, was this pick a game changer? I am not saying that a quarterback pick at 10 is a sure shot, but if a potential franchise quarterback is there, you take him. Is it a gamble? Of course it is, as is every other player mentioned on this board. But a franchise quarterback can get us to the promised land, where a defensive lineman combined with Shawn Hill or Alex Smith will never get us there. The notion that xyz player is less risky than a quarterback pick is silly. Last years draft can prove that, as well as our 8th pick a few years ago.

[SB49er4life]

Brillant post! I've been on the this board for years but hardly actually post b/c it usually turns into a p*ssing match between member but I have to weigh in here.

The guy has one inconsistant year as a starter under this belt, a year in which he was also injured.

The guy has a good bowl game and now he is the next best thing since sliced bread. It is rediculous the hype he is getting from that one game. I'm not saying he won't be a solid qb some day but give me a break.

This is a Vince Young scenerio all over again.

If you really think all the hype he is getting is from the Rose Bowl this last year, you obviously don't watch enough college football to be able to say that.

A 34:10 TD/INT ratio is far from a "one game wonder", as is a 65% completion percentage. And nobody wants to talk about how his best games were against the best competition they played all year, Ohio St, Virginia and Penn St., all teams with considerable NFL talent.

I understand there is a considerable risk involved in drafting a Junior QB, but IMO, that has more to do with the foundation surrounding the player and the way he's brought along than the college experience itself. There are guys who come out as Jr.'s and end up ruinnig their careers... and then there guys like Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers and Drew Bledsoe.

In his short college career, Mark Sanchez has shown pretty much every skill that you could want in a QB. He can make every NFL throw, he's accurate, has great maneuverability, and has shown he can sit in the pocket and go through his progressions - things that we never saw from guys like Michael Vick or JaMarcuss Russell, Junior QB's that were selected high based on ridiculous physical attributes alone.

I agree that Sanchez is 1-2 years away from a starting NFL QB, and if brought along properly, I think he can be something special. If he goes to a team like Detroit that will try to get him on the field before he's ready with bad protection, then yes, it will look like a disaster. I personally think that with the 49ers, with Shaun Hills' adequate play and a budding young OL, it would be the perfect place groom him for our QB of the future.

Which, btw, we DO need a franchise QB...

[MR. WEBBER]

If you really think all the hype he is getting is from the Rose Bowl this last year, you obviously don't watch enough college football to be able to say that.

A 34:10 TD/INT ratio is far from a "one game wonder", as is a 65% completion percentage. And nobody wants to talk about how his best games were against the best competition they played all year, Ohio St, Virginia and Penn St., all teams with considerable NFL talent.

I understand there is a considerable risk involved in drafting a Junior QB, but IMO, that has more to do with the foundation surrounding the player and the way he's brought along than the college experience itself. There are guys who come out as Jr.'s and end up ruinnig their careers... and then there guys like Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers and Drew Bledsoe.

In his short college career, Mark Sanchez has shown pretty much every skill that you could want in a QB. He can make every NFL throw, he's accurate, has great maneuverability, and has shown he can sit in the pocket and go through his progressions - things that we never saw from guys like Michael Vick or JaMarcuss Russell, Junior QB's that were selected high based on ridiculous physical attributes alone.

I agree that Sanchez is 1-2 years away from a starting NFL QB, and if brought along properly, I think he can be something special. If he goes to a team like Detroit that will try to get him on the field before he's ready with bad protection, then yes, it will look like a disaster. I personally think that with the 49ers, with Shaun Hills' adequate play and a budding young OL, it would be the perfect place groom him for our QB of the future.

Which, btw, we DO need a franchise QB...


i agree with your comments about sanchez. the guy who says he is overhyped must not watch much football. probably just looks at the stats after games.

sanchez would be a very nice fit here, i just wouldnt use the number 10 pick on him.

[42Lott]

they are going to be run by Scott Pioli thought and it's not very like him to go qb high. Who knows he could do it but that goes away from how he did things in the past. That team had the least amount of sacks in the league and the defense was horrible.

You have no idea what you are talking about! First, when Pioli got to NE they already had a very good QB, Bledsoe, so, they weren't looking to replace him they were just looking to find a suitable backup. Second, when Bledsoe went down with injury, enter Tom Brady. After it was apparent that Brady was the real deal why would you look to replace him? Answer, you wouldn't, you would look to find a suitable backup. Third, going into last year's draft everyone was talking about how the Pats don't draft LB early in the draft because they can get LB that fit their system later on, then, what do you know, they draft Mayo. So, your arguement has a lot of holes...you better start patching!

[WhistlingMtn]

You have no idea what you are talking about! First, when Pioli got to NE they already had a very good QB, Bledsoe, so, they weren't looking to replace him they were just looking to find a suitable backup. Second, when Bledsoe went down with injury, enter Tom Brady. After it was apparent that Brady was the real deal why would you look to replace him? Answer, you wouldn't, you would look to find a suitable backup. Third, going into last year's draft everyone was talking about how the Pats don't draft LB early in the draft because they can get LB that fit their system later on, then, what do you know, they draft Mayo. So, your arguement has a lot of holes...you better start patching!

I think you confused yourself, read through the posts again. We were talking about Kansas City and Thigpen, not New England.

[#19erfan]

I'm tired of all these mock drafts having us taking this guy. He is garbage and is only successful at USC because he's surrounded with superior talent. I'd hate for us to reach for another QB like we did with Alex Smith because we don't have a franchise QB. Yes, we need one but Sanchez isn't the answer. Who's in charge of the draft this year? Sing or McCoughlin?

[LottdownD42]

I'm tired of all these mock drafts having us taking this guy. He is garbage and is only successful at USC because he's surrounded with superior talent. I'd hate for us to reach for another QB like we did with Alex Smith because we don't have a franchise QB. Yes, we need one but Sanchez isn't the answer. Who's in charge of the draft this year? Sing or McCoughlin?

WTF.. seriously.. go post in one of the million Sanchez threads! :banghead:

[VaBhodi]

They have already said if there is a sure bet Pass Rusher at 10, they are taking him.

[#19erfan]

WTF.. seriously.. go post in one of the million Sanchez threads! :banghead:

Really? Cuz I don't see one on the first page and I'm not digging around for hours because some faqqot rather look at Mark Wholeberg pictures than talk football.

They have already said if there is a sure bet Pass Rusher at 10, they are taking him.

Everett Brown would be the best choice then imo. Although I honestly don't think an outside pass rush should be our top priority. We get pressure on the outside consistently but nothing up the middle so the QB steps up and makes his throws. I'd rather have Raji but think if one of the elite OTs falls to us that should be our first priority. We gave up the most sacks last year.

[OsBoogie]

I'm tired of all these mock drafts

then don't

[OsBoogie]

Really? Cuz I don't see one on the first page.

try the right forum... (well now that you've been redirected to it) check the front page... and cry away!

[#19erfan]

try the right forum... (well now that you've been redirected to it) check the front page... and cry away!

how about you suck my cack instead?

[L-Smoove]

this is an intense thread

[11noble]

I'm tired of all these mock drafts having us taking this guy. He is garbage and is only successful at USC because he's surrounded with superior talent. I'd hate for us to reach for another QB like we did with Alex Smith because we don't have a franchise QB. Yes, we need one but Sanchez isn't the answer. Who's in charge of the draft this year? Sing or McCoughlin?
You know what i kind of agree just not to an extreme like this guy....I think if we get him at 10 it would be a pretty big reach....I just dont see the b/w sanchez, Leinart, and booty.....except leinart actually won a title....except he cheated cuz he had reggie bush.....i just dont think he's the answer...we need to start hill and maybe pick up someone in the second roun like maybe that dude from ball state....dudes got an arm....did anyone see him in that skillz challenge.....and at least we still got next year colt mccoy baby!!

[LottdownD42]

Really? Cuz I don't see one on the first page and I'm not digging around for hours because some faqqot rather look at Mark Wholeberg pictures than talk football.


really.. had to take it to Mark Wholeberg.. what kind of chat rooms are you in...
If your gonna go off the wall and bash somebody name some facts... Other than he plays at USC and hes over rated.. tell us what he lacks and makes him unworthy of the selection! Due to your obveous amazing knowledge of the game im just thrilled to see what you come up with..
And by the way our GM will be in charge of the draft, just like last year! McCoughlin

[SB49er4life]

I'm tired of all these mock drafts having us taking this guy. He is garbage and is only successful at USC because he's surrounded with superior talent. I'd hate for us to reach for another QB like we did with Alex Smith because we don't have a franchise QB. Yes, we need one but Sanchez isn't the answer. Who's in charge of the draft this year? Sing or McCoughlin?

Another whining post devoid of any intelligent argument from you, why am I not surprised ?

It's great because posts are just a dead giveaway for how much you're just talking outta your 2-hole. "Surrounded by superior talent" ? The only skill player on that offense that will ever be drafted in the first 3 rounds is WR Damian Williams.

Uhh, derr, dat guy Aliks Smit was bad, bad player n he whent in duh 1st rd, dat meenz all QB's in 1st rd gunna b bad !