Roethlisberger, Top 10 all-time QB?

[alex smith11]

All time? no way

[Gof the Gij]

:falldownlaugh:

[badass316]

Stop the BS please. He's not even top 5 right now. How the F can he be top 10 ALL TIME when he isn't recognized as the best, 2nd best, or 3rd best QB in his generation?

[WildCardBound]

He's only 26 and already has two super bowl wins? Does that put him in the top 10 all time? Maybe top 20? Very few QB's have accomplished as much in their entire careers. With another season of 17 or 18 TD's and 15 or so Picks, but a Superbowl win, does he get into the top 10?

Where would you guys rank him now, and where do you think he'll finish?

[beasley for pres]

Right now... he's still not even on the radar.

[WildCardBound]

How many QB's have two superbowl wins in their career? Is he a lock for top 10 and the HOF if he wins one more?

[SBbound49ers]

There atleast 5 better QBs right now, maybe even 7. So, not even close on top 10 of all time.

[thedynasty]

he has more than a few years to make his claim. he just has to keep up his success and he'll be in the HOF.

[WildCardBound]

Big Ben will be in the HOF. The only way he doesn't is if he suffers another bike accident that ends his career in the next 2 years.

Ben is one of the best few QB's in the league right now, has 2 rings, and is only 25. But with that, he'll be in the HOF but isn't top 10 yet.

Ask me again in 8-10 years and we'll see about top 10 of all time.

Best few as in top....?

[WildCardBound]

There atleast 5 better QBs right now, maybe even 7. So, not even close on top 10 of all time.

Yeah right, better than 2 time superbowl champion Big Ben Roethlisberger, get the **** out of here!!!! Why don't they have two superbowl rings then? Not just any QB can roll up 17TD's and 15INT's to take his team to the superbowl. He's at least top 2, it goes Brady, Roethlisberger.

[SBbound49ers]

Yeah right, better than 2 time superbowl champion Big Ben Roethlisberger, get the **** out of here!!!! Why don't they have two superbowl rings then? Not just any QB can roll up 17TD's and 15INT's to take his team to the superbowl. He's at least top 2, it goes Brady, Roethlisberger.

I see what you did there.

[krueger70]

Nope!

I rank him between Dante Pastorini and Jim Plunkett.

[WildCardBound]

Thats a tough one to answer. A better way to look at is may be looking at it in tiers:

Tier 1= Manning and Brady if he bounces back form injury
Tier 2= Brees, Rivers, Roethlisberger
Tier 3= Romo, McNabb, Ryan, Cutler, Warner, Rodgers, Pennington, Manning
Best of the Rest= Flacco, Garcia, Favre


I think you see what I'm saying.

So you'd say he's number 5? I would tier QB's but I also don't mind ranking them.

If the Niners could take anyone from that list, you would take Roethlisberger over Cutler or Rodgers?

Same question, Would you take Brees or Roethlisberger for the niners?

[PrideofdaNiners]

He's only 26 and already has two super bowl wins? Does that put him in the top 10 all time? Maybe top 20? Very few QB's have accomplished as much in their entire careers. With another season of 17 or 18 TD's and 15 or so Picks, but a Superbowl win, does he get into the top 10?

Where would you guys rank him now, and where do you think he'll finish?

Too early to say he's top 10 of all time right now. Could end up there. Right now it looks like a lock to me.

[krueger70]

Yeah right, better than 2 time superbowl champion Big Ben Roethlisberger, get the **** out of here!!!! Why don't they have two superbowl rings then? Not just any QB can roll up 17TD's and 15INT's to take his team to the superbowl. He's at least top 2, it goes Brady, Roethlisberger.You are losing your perspective.

I guess Trent Dilfer should be ranked higher than Dan Marino? Winning the Super Bowl is a great "Team" accomplishment, but it doesn't automatically send you to the Hall of Fame! I thought the Steelers of the 1970's were one of the best teams ever, but it's my opinion the team made Terry Bradshaw look better than he really was. He struggled every year, but with the talent on those teams he was bailed out many times.

If Kenny Anderson or Dan Pastorini had been the QB for the Steelers at that time, well they would be in the Hall of Fame!!!!

[WildCardBound]

You are losing your perspective.

I guess Trent Dilfer should be ranked higher than Dan Marino? Winning the Super Bowl is a great "Team" accomplishment, but it doesn't automatically send you to the Hall of Fame! I thought the Steelers of the 1970's were one of the best teams ever, but it's my opinion the team made Terry Bradshaw look better than he really was. He struggled every year, but with the talent on those teams he was bailed out many times.

If Kenny Anderson or Dan Pastorini had been the QB for the Steelers at that time, well they would be in the Hall of Fame!!!!

So you're saying there are several QB's that could do what Roethlisberger currently does for the Steelers? You're making him out to be nothing special....Blasphemy.

[Texicali blue]

Not yet. But he's certainly on the right course. this was discussed early by comparing the stats between Terry Bradshaw who won 4 SB and Jim Kelly who lost 4 SB.

Kelly has, by far, the more impressive numbers when you're just looking at a spreadsheet, but Terry led his team to 4 SBs(yes, I know the defense was awseome and he was surrounded by weapons on offense).

But, in the end, Terry gets the nod for which is better due to his coming in through in the big games, just like Ben has done so far, compared to say Peyton Manning, with a SB win but an overall record in the playoffs of 7-7 versus Ben's record of 8-2(Ben has a better regular season % too).

So, I would say, not yet, but he's on his way, he's more like Aikman than he is Steve Young in that regard, not flashy, but he doesn't screw up and lose the big game.

[Zhero06]

Only reason why he won 2 rings is because of their defense. Remember, he almost made them lose his first Superbowl Game.

[WildCardBound]

Not yet. But he's certainly on the right course. this was discussed early by comparing the stats between Terry Bradshaw who won 4 SB and Jim Kelly who lost 4 SB.

Kelly has, by far, the more impressive numbers when you're just looking at a spreadsheet, but Terry led his team to 4 SBs(yes, I know the defense was awseome and he was surrounded by weapons on offense).

But, in the end, Terry gets the nod for which is better due to his coming in through in the big games, just like Ben has done so far, compared to say Peyton Manning, with a SB win but an overall record in the playoffs of 7-7 versus Ben's record of 8-2(Ben has a better regular season % too).

So, I would say, not yet, but he's on his way, he's more like Aikman than he is Steve Young in that regard, not flashy, but he doesn't screw up and lose the big game.

So it's basically his team winning the game? He shlts the bed in most games. His stats are good in only one season, every other year has been his team carrying him through his mistakes.

I like the way he "showed up" in his first big superbowl win.

[Texicali blue]

So it's basically his team winning the game? He shlts the bed in most games. His stats are good in only one season, every other year has been his team carrying him through his mistakes.

I like the way he "showed up" in his first big superbowl win.

Neil O'Donnell had everything going for him(dominating defense, great weapons surrounding him) like Big Ben but he choked in the big game.

Otherwise the Steelers would be celebrating their 7th.

[Baba Ganoush]

Montana
Unitas
Marino
Favre
Brady
Manning
Elway
Young
Kelly
Aikman
Moon
Fouts
Brees
Warner
Starr
Graham
Stabler
Staubach
Baugh
Bradshaw
Tarkenton
Simms

So possibly in a few years the top 20.

A lot of good years before the top 10.

[WildCardBound]

Neil O'Donnell had everything going for him(dominating defense, great weapons surrounding him) like Big Ben but he choked in the big game.

Otherwise the Steelers would be celebrating their 7th.

Yeah, i guess Roethlisbergers team was just better cause he choked like crazy in his first superbowl but still came out with the win. Luck of the draw, fall to the right team in the draft and you're a HOFer.

[WildCardBound]

Too early to say he's top 10 of all time right now. Could end up there. Right now it looks like a lock to me.

See, that's what im talking about. I'd say he's top 15 all time right now, probably top 10 after one more dominating season.

[Texicali blue]

Yeah, i guess Roethlisbergers team was just better cause he choked like crazy in his first superbowl but still came out with the win. Luck of the draw, fall to the right team in the draft and you're a HOFer.

He got some help from the refs, too, just ask a Seattle fan, they'll tell you.

He did score a TD, though, he wasn't a total bust in the game, even if he did it with his legs(or big head).

Steve Young choked away more big games than anyone of his time other than Jim Kelly, yet is regarded as one of the best QBs of his time, right?

[WildCardBound]

He got some help from the refs, too, just ask a Seattle fan, they'll tell you.

He did score a TD, though, he wasn't a total bust in the game, even if he did it with his legs(or big head).

Steve Young choked away more big games than anyone of his time other than Jim Kelly, yet is regarded as one of the best QBs of his time, right?

Losing to the Cowboys was not choking. I doubt Steve ever had a playoff game as bad as Ben's first superbowl.

[badass316]

Yeah, i guess Roethlisbergers team was just better cause he choked like crazy in his first superbowl but still came out with the win. Luck of the draw, fall to the right team in the draft and you're a HOFer.

Choking probably doesn't even describe his performance in his 1st SB. He had the lowest rating of any QB in history. It was like 23 something, which is impinging on Alex Smith territory.

[pickelweasel]

How many QB's have two superbowl wins in their career? Is he a lock for top 10 and the HOF if he wins one more?

Strawman. Winning a superbowl doesn't mean you're a great qb.

[Montana_Magic]

We all know you hate Big Ben. No need for this useless post. Big Ben is young, let's give him time before we talk about where he ranks all time. As for Qb's playing, i would take him 3rd.

[badass316]

We all know you hate Big Ben. No need for this useless post. Big Ben is young, let's give him time before we talk about where he ranks all time. As for Qb's playing, i would take him 3rd.

Over Brees, Rivers, Cutler, and Romo? Or even Rodgers? Thanks, but no thanks.

[The OLD Cookie Monster]

By this logic Dilfer > Brees.

[badass316]

By this logic Dilfer > Brees.

Seriously, people are forgetting the fact that greatness is defined by your own success, not your teams. Ben is the greatest example of this. Steelers beat the Seahawks (even though the game was laughable), yet Ben finishes with a 23 QB rating.

[The OLD Cookie Monster]

Difler > Marino

[The OLD Cookie Monster]

Brian St. Pierre has a ring.

Pierre > Brees

[The OLD Cookie Monster]

Damon Huard FTW.

Huard > Hasslebeck

[SBbound49ers]

Big Ben - 17 TDs 15 INTs

Alex Smith's best year - 16 TDs 16 INTs

Need I say more?

[Montana_Magic]

2 things i find funny. If the Steelers had won the SB last year with the great stats Big Ben put up, everyone would have him 3. However, this year they played a brutal sch, had no running game, bad o-line, and he had a bad shoulder, so he put up a lackluster season stats wise. Now he is garbage.

The other thing, is that if you ask coaches and experts if Big Ben is elite, i would wager that nearly all of them would say yes. If you ask that here, i would guess that he would get nearly no votes. I don't know if it is because of the dislike for the Steelers or if people just don't like Ben.

[badass316]

2 things i find funny. If the Steelers had won the SB last year with the great stats Big Ben put up, everyone would have him 3. However, this year they played a brutal sch, had no running game, bad o-line, and he had a bad shoulder, so he put up a lackluster season stats wise. Now he is garbage.

The other thing, is that if you ask coaches and experts if Big Ben is elite, i would wager that nearly all of them would say yes. If you ask that here, i would guess that he would get nearly no votes. I don't know if it is because of the dislike for the Steelers or if people just don't like Ben.

No one is saying he's garbage. They're just saying that he isn't elite, top 5 (right now), or top 10 of ALL TIME (which is downright ludicrous). Nor is he a HOFer. He better better together some more solid seasons before he wants to be a HOFer. That 17 TD/15 INT **** ain't gonna cut it.

[big dog0507]

I can not stand how much ben is over rated esp. round where i live. The D and the running game is what the steelers are dominate and they just need a QB that needs to hand off 90% of the time and pass on passing downs. imo

[Montana_Magic]

That 17 TD/15 INT **** ain't gonna cut it.

Aikman had years of 11/18, 11/10, 13/12, 12/13. So i wouldn't make statements like that.

[GoreScores]

No one is saying he's garbage. They're just saying that he isn't elite, top 5 (right now), or top 10 of ALL TIME (which is downright ludicrous). Nor is he a HOFer. He better better together some more solid seasons before he wants to be a HOFer. That 17 TD/15 INT **** ain't gonna cut it.

You clearly don't get it....2 Super Bowls in 5 years, 8-2 record in the playoffs, the most clutch 4th quarterback I've seen in years, & won this Super Bowl this year after his defense crumbled in the fourth quarter....Not elite? What else does he need to prove? Even Manning doesn't have 2 Super Bowls! This is ridiculous! Give him his due!:banghead:

[reo816]

Difler > Marino

This makes Dilfer in the top 20:slap:

[badass316]

Aikman had years of 11/18, 11/10, 13/12, 12/13. So i wouldn't make statements like that.

The main reason Aikman got in the HOF was because of the cowboys success. If they didn't win 3 SBs (1 back to back), I seriously doubt he'd be in the HOF.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Stop the BS please. He's not even top 5 right now. How the F can he be top 10 ALL TIME when he isn't recognized as the best, 2nd best, or 3rd best QB in his generation?

Um, he is definitely a top 5 right now.

But he is nowhere close to a top 10 all time.

[Texicali blue]

The main reason Aikman got in the HOF was because of the cowboys success. If they didn't win 3 SBs (1 back to back), I seriously doubt he'd be in the HOF.

That would be a strong indication that the voters for the HOF value postseason performance over regular season performance, improving Ben's chances and stature.

[Max_Power]

Thats a tough one to answer. A better way to look at is may be looking at it in tiers:

Tier 1= Manning and Brady if he bounces back form injury
Tier 2= Brees, Rivers, Roethlisberger
Tier 3= Romo, McNabb, Ryan, Cutler, Warner, Rodgers, Pennington, Manning
Best of the Rest= Flacco, Garcia, Favre


I think you see what I'm saying.

Roethlisberger>>>Warner???

:falldownlaugh::falldownlaugh::falldownlaugh:

[badass316]

That would be a strong indication that the voters for the HOF value postseason performance over regular season performance, improving Ben's chances and stature.

If the steelers win again next year, sure, why not.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I don't know if it is because of the dislike for the Steelers or if people just don't like Ben.

That's exactly what it is.

49ers fans on here have a completely illogical and unfounded hatred for the Steelers, with no good reasoning behind it what so ever. Due to that, they hate Big Ben for no good reason what so ever, along with anyone else who plays for the Steelers.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Roethlisberger>>>Warner???

:falldownlaugh::falldownlaugh::falldownlaugh:

Big Ben has had a much more consistent career without the same weapons that Warner has thrived with.

In between his time with the Greatest Show on Turf, and Fitzgerald becoming the second coming of Jerry Rice, Kurt Warner was looked upon as one of the biggest burn outs in the NFL.

When Warner is at his best, he's arguably better than Ben (but Warner HASN'T performed without 2 top tier wideouts on the corners), but Ben has been much more consistent throughout his young career.

[Max_Power]

Plain and simple, if Ben gets in based on how he is now, it will be the HOF down.

Seriously. He will be standing next to the likes of Peyton Manning.

Here's something to think about:

Peyton Manning in 11 seasons has fumbled 18 times.
Ben Roethlisberger THIS SEASON ALONE fumbled 14 times.

And Ben isn't even in the top 5 players on his own team! Just because he is the QB, it shouldn't mean he is solely responsible for the team's victories.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Plain and simple, if Ben gets in based on how he is now, it will be the HOF down.

Seriously. He will be standing next to the likes of Peyton Manning.

Here's something to think about:

Peyton Manning in 11 seasons has fumbled 18 times.
Ben Roethlisberger THIS SEASON ALONE fumbled 14 times.

And Ben isn't even in the top 5 players on his own team! Just because he is the QB, it shouldn't mean he is solely responsible for the team's victories.

Yet you're probably one of those people who has blamed Alex Smith for every negative situation the 49ers have faced since 2004.

And for the record, Ben is actually a BIG PART of the Steelers success. Don't be bitter just because he has more rings than Steve Young.

[Montana_Magic]

Peyton Manning in 11 seasons has fumbled 18 times.
Ben Roethlisberger THIS SEASON ALONE fumbled 14 times.


Last 5 years:

Drew Brees- 37 fumbles
Big Ben - 32 fumbles.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

One of the big problems is that sadly we live in a fantasy football world (at least with the average fan). They would take someone like Cutler because his stats look shiny, but they don't realize all the near ints he has thrown and the fact that he hasn't had a winning season since HS (I believe). Ben is capable of putting up big numbers (as evident as last year), but what should be look upon first is the fact he is a winner. You saw it in the SB. He drove the ball all the way down the field and made a ridiculous pass to win.

There's that, and the fact that people don't watch the football games. I've seen a lot of Steelers games since they drafted Ben, and the fact is, while he doesn't throw a ton of times per game, when he does throw, he MAKES PLAYS HAPPEN.

It's about more than just the stats. Ben is much better than his stats show.

[Montana_Magic]

One of the big problems is that sadly we live in a fantasy football world (at least with the average fan). They would take someone like Cutler because his stats look shiny, but they don't realize all the near ints he has thrown and the fact that he hasn't had a winning season since HS (I believe). Ben is capable of putting up big numbers (as evident as last year), but what should be look upon first is the fact he is a winner. You saw it in the SB. He drove the ball all the way down the field and made a ridiculous pass to win.

[krueger70]

So you're saying there are several QB's that could do what Roethlisberger currently does for the Steelers? You're making him out to be nothing special....Blasphemy.Did I say that?

No, what I am saying is you can't rank any one player at any one position based on Super Bowl victories. Super Bowl wins are and always will be team accomplishments!!

I like Ben, and I think he is one of the better quarterbacks in the NFL. Not because he can "Scoreboard" others players with Super Bowl wins, but by what he brings to the table week in and week out.

[WildCardBound]

Big Ben - 17 TDs 15 INTs

Alex Smith's best year - 16 TDs 16 INTs

Need I say more?

Alex had a much better offense.

[WildCardBound]

2 things i find funny. If the Steelers had won the SB last year with the great stats Big Ben put up, everyone would have him 3. However, this year they played a brutal sch, had no running game, bad o-line, and he had a bad shoulder, so he put up a lackluster season stats wise. Now he is garbage.

The other thing, is that if you ask coaches and experts if Big Ben is elite, i would wager that nearly all of them would say yes. If you ask that here, i would guess that he would get nearly no votes. I don't know if it is because of the dislike for the Steelers or if people just don't like Ben.

I like the Steelers, and heck I think Roethlisberger seems like a really cool guy. But i can't stand people jocking him when i feel like over half the QB's in the league could take that team to the superbowl. I feel that he's a game manager, Dilfer style, and nothing more.

[WildCardBound]

That would be a strong indication that the voters for the HOF value postseason performance over regular season performance, improving Ben's chances and stature.

Then he's screwed with that first superbowl performance and his overall lackluster performance when both games are looked at. This game was 256 yards, 1TD and 1INT. Hardly a great performance by any superbowl standard. combined with his last superbowl appearance and he's 379 yards, 1TD and 3INT's.

He doesn't win the games, he manages them, often poorly. He should not be allowed to go anywhere near the HOF until he becomes a badazz. A QB teams worry about and obsessively game plan for (manning, brady).

[WildCardBound]

Yep Ben sucks, he's so overrated. Look at these SB winning stats and tell me which one is Ben and which one is Elway:

Cmp Att Yds TD Int Y/A Cmp% Rate
12 22 123 0 1 5.6 54.5 51.9
18 29 336 1 1 11.6 62.1 99.2

-AND-

Cmp Att Yds TD Int Y/A Cmp% Rate
9 21 123 0 2 5.9 42.9 22.6
21 30 256 1 1 8.5 70.0 93.2

Sometimes you have too look past the stats a little bit. When you have such good players we expect the best week in and week out and its hard for a guy to bring their A-game every game and they need some help from their teamates. For Ben in the first SB it was a WR pass, for Elway it was turning around and handing it to Terrell Davis. But look at Elway in the SB before he got some help, he had some absolutely awful performances where he choked.

Ben isn't on Elways level and probably never will be, but he is one of the top couple QB's in the league right now and has the ability to "will" his team to victory. At age 25 he has 10 years left in his prime and maybe another 15 total years before he hangs it up. With so much left in the tank I see no reason why he couldn't be top 10 when its all said and done.

He doesn't bring his A-game hardly ever. Unless that's his A-game week in and week out. For his career, he's had one good year, otherwise he's been just plain mediocre. 17tds-15ints, over and over. That does not sound HOF like to me. Im sure he'll get in, even if he never wins another superbowl, all because he has those two rings. Two rings that most QB's in the league could have won for them.

[jackacid]

Top 10 in the league, sure. But not all time. Not even close.

And spare me the "two rings by age 25" stuff. It takes a TEAM to win a Lombardi, and the Steelers defense and coaches have carried them as much as (if not more) than Ben.

He's a great quarterback, but we can't ask this question yet.

[Sac-King_916]

OMGZZ!!!11!!1 HE WONZ 2 R1NGZZ H3Z A HALLZZ OF FAMERRR!!11!!!1! TOPZ 10 ALZZ TIMESZZ!!1!!!1!

:laugh: Please, stop.

[Texicali blue]

I like the Steelers, and heck I think Roethlisberger seems like a really cool guy. But i can't stand people jocking him when i feel like over half the QB's in the league could take that team to the superbowl. I feel that he's a game manager, Dilfer style, and nothing more.

You sound like a fantasy geek who has never played a sport in their life, and I don't mean that as an insult, it's just that your posts constantly ignore the intangibles and come back to numbers, which can be adjusted to tell a multitude of stories.

bottomline, dude is a winner, his team respects his leadership and performs well under it.

It's hard to do much better than that, I mean geez, did you see that final drive?

If coming through in the most clutch of clutch situations isn't enough to win you over, than you're just a hater, plain and simple.

[WildCardBound]

You sound like a fantasy geek who has never played a sport in their life, and I don't mean that as an insult, it's just that your posts constantly ignore the intangibles and come back to numbers, which can be adjusted to tell a multitude of stories.

bottomline, dude is a winner, his team respects his leadership and performs well under it.

It's hard to do much better than that, I mean geez, did you see that final drive?

If coming through in the most clutch of clutch situations isn't enough to win you over, than you're just a hater, plain and simple.

Anybody can do what big ben does. People say crap like "he's a winner" when somebody sucks but their team pulls them through it. Or when somebody plays like crap, has a few minutes of good play in the clutch and lucks into pulling out the game. That doesn't make you a great QB and sure as **** shouldn't put you in the hall of fame.

I've played a lot of sports, including football all the way through highschool. And every person whos played sports knows what its like to have someone on their team they have to carry, like a sub-par QB. If the steelers had an elite QB they'd be cruising to titles. If they had a mediocre QB they'd still be winning them (like they are), just not as easily.

He's mediocre, we all know it.

And yes I saw the final drive. Nice of him to put something together for 1 drive, what happened on the other 10 (dont know exact number)?

[Brian Jennings]

This is almost as stupid as Warner for HOF

[WildCardBound]

One of the big problems is that sadly we live in a fantasy football world (at least with the average fan). They would take someone like Cutler because his stats look shiny, but they don't realize all the near ints he has thrown and the fact that he hasn't had a winning season since HS (I believe). Ben is capable of putting up big numbers (as evident as last year), but what should be look upon first is the fact he is a winner. You saw it in the SB. He drove the ball all the way down the field and made a ridiculous pass to win.

Yeah, lets focus on his one good mark instead of the loads of crappy shlt he does.

Who cares about fantasy football, this isn't about that. It's about throwing 17TD's and 15INTS and being considered an elite QB. He's just not. He manages games, he doesn't have some huge contribution where the team would totally be ****ed without him.

[WildCardBound]

Only one team can win the Super Bowl each year, so what is your "excuse" for the other QBs who failed to win it, that they played for the wrong team?

And what Super Bowl winning QB did NOT have a good surrounding cast, after all, they won the frigging game?


The rest of your comments are just you justifying your hatred.

I've said it like 500 times in this thread and in others. Yes, several (meaning at least 20 active QB's) could take his place on the steelers and do at least just as well.

What would a QB have to (when leading a team through a superbowl winning season) do in order for you not to give him a lot of credit? For you not to say "he's an elite qb"?

It's a team sport and it just so happens Ben is on a good team. He can put up mediocre numbers and screw up at will, his teammates will pull him through it.

[WildCardBound]

Did I say that?

No, what I am saying is you can't rank any one player at any one position based on Super Bowl victories. Super Bowl wins are and always will be team accomplishments!!

I like Ben, and I think he is one of the better quarterbacks in the NFL. Not because he can "Scoreboard" others players with Super Bowl wins, but by what he brings to the table week in and week out.

Exactly, Roethlisberger had a small hand in it, minus OMG his game winning drive. He has a small hand in their success throughout the season and should only be given a small portion of the credit. Only enough credit to earn him the mediocre status as a QB.

[Sac-King_916]

Hey, Byron Leftwich just won the SB... is he Top 10 All-Time too? :)

[DTuck16]

Only great QBs win Super Bowls. I think Trent Dilfer is Hall of Fame material! LOL

[Texicali blue]

Anybody can do what big ben does.

Only one team can win the Super Bowl each year, so what is your "excuse" for the other QBs who failed to win it, that they played for the wrong team?

And what Super Bowl winning QB did NOT have a good surrounding cast, after all, they won the frigging game?


The rest of your comments are just you justifying your hatred.

[Sahota]

hhahahhahahaha

Ben isnt even top 5 right NOW.

1. Brady
2. Payton
3. Rivers
4. Brees
5. Eli/ Mcnabb

[Texicali blue]

I've said it like 500 times in this thread and in others. Yes, several (meaning at least 20 active QB's) could take his place on the steelers and do at least just as well.

BS--byron leftwich wasn't taking them to the promised land.

What would a QB have to (when leading a team through a superbowl winning season) do in order for you not to give him a lot of credit? For you not to say "he's an elite qb"?

Neil O'Donnell comes to mind, threw 2 costly picks, both returned for TDs which cost his team the victory. You've mentioned Trent Dilfer, I would add Brad Johnson to the list, too. That is the list of men who won a SB doing less than Ben.

If you wanna know how much credit he deserves, ask his coach or teammates, I doubt any of them will tell you that there are 20 qbs in the league they would take over Ben, let alone 3.

I think you are grading him on a "fantasy" grading system, another reason I hate what FF has done to fans.

It's a team sport and it just so happens Ben is on a good team. He can put up mediocre numbers and screw up at will, his teammates will pull him through it.

It's a team sport, but face it, QBs are graded on winning(by the HOF committee) not on putting up big numbers against non-playoff competition, but on how they do against other quality teams in the post-season along with their regular season contributions.

I think the better question is,

"how many QBs have achieved the level of success that Ben has this early in their careers?"

Remember, this is a dude who takes a pounding year in and out, I doubt many QBs could complete a season taking as many hits as he has.

Joe Montana was a great QB, but make no doubt about it, he had a far better surrounding cast, too.

Does that diminish his accomplishments in the SB? I don't think so, same goes for Ben, they won, that's about as much as you can ask them to do.

Or Elway, for that matter, did it take the SB for him to be a great QB? I'm sure it made it easier on the HOF committee.

so, to say that there are 20 qbs in the league who can do for his team what he did is to undercut intentionally his accomplishments and ignore just how difficult it is to get to, let alone win, 2 Super Bowls, just ask Steve Young, as good as he was, he didn't do it.

And I know what Steve thinks about Ben and his accomplishments, and I happen to agree with him.

[Montana_Magic]

I like the one good year comment. Look at his first two:

Year 1- 66% while throwing at 8.9 Y/A with 17 tds and only 11 ints. Thats a good year for anyone. It's a great year for a rookie. QB rating of 98.1

Year 2-63% while throwing at 8.9 Y/A with 17 tds and only 9 ints. Qb rating of 98.6. He even added 3 rushing TD's in there.

Just a heads up, 8.9 Y/A is ridiculous.

[PapiChulo81]

No way brother. If it wasn't for his defense all year, Roethlisberger's play would never have gotten them to even the playoffs.

[SBbound49ers]

No way brother. If it wasn't for his defense all year, Roethlisberger's play would never have gotten them to even the playoffs.

I agree. The D kept them in each and every game, Ben had some nice 4th quarters, but he didnt carry the team by any means.

[NinerFaithful81]

I like the one good year comment. Look at his first two:

Year 1- 66% while throwing at 8.9 Y/A with 17 tds and only 11 ints. Thats a good year for anyone. It's a great year for a rookie. QB rating of 98.1

Year 2-63% while throwing at 8.9 Y/A with 17 tds and only 9 ints. Qb rating of 98.6. He even added 3 rushing TD's in there.

Just a heads up, 8.9 Y/A is ridiculous.

Exactly, just because the guy doesn't throw 30 plus TDs a year, or throw for over 4k doesn't make him any less "capable" at the QB position. Quite frankly, I can't believe this argument is still even taking place. Ben won two SBs before the age of 26, the ONLY other QB to do that in the entire history of the NFL was Tom friggin Brady. I'd say that's good company.

And some on here are really trying to dilute his game winning drive which is ridiculous. I don't care who you are, you can be the statistically best QB in the league and still not have the "it" factor.

You can put other QBs in the Steelers system and they might still make it to the playoffs, even the SB but I have a very hard time believing "any" QB can take his team down the field with minutes left and throw a SB winning touchdown pass.

Face it, Ben has the "it" factor and he showed it to the world in an incredible game winning drive. I'm not his biggest fan and even I can see that. Some of you need to stop drinking the haterade!

[GoreScores]

No way brother. If it wasn't for his defense all year, Roethlisberger's play would never have gotten them to even the playoffs.

You're right....6 game-winning drive this year & Big Ben is worthless....

Do you people watch the games or do you just wait until the end of the season, look at the stats, & then make stupid statements?

[gnoix]

hahahahhaahhaahahahahahhaha.... not even top 20 IMHO. maybe in 5 years you can ask again..

[BrentJones84]

I'm not even sure he's top 10 of the past ten years, never mind all time.

[psychoj1016]

marino didnt win any superbowls does that count him out of the top ten.... big ben isnt that good.... this tread is a joke

[afrorouge]

Trent Dilfer must be in the top 50 because he's got a ring.

Not that having a great defense has anything to do with it.

[DTuck16]

You're right....6 game-winning drive this year & Big Ben is worthless....

Do you people watch the games or do you just wait until the end of the season, look at the stats, & then make stupid statements?

Giving credit to a QB for game winning drives is overrated. If that same QB played better throughout the game maybe his team would not be behind.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Big Ben currently isn't (and probably never will be) a top 10 all time QB.

But you obviously don't watch Pittsburgh Steeler football if you think that Big Ben isn't a reason for their success, and that anyone can be put back behind center in Pittsburgh and win 2 Super Bowls.

Big Ben is a play maker. He doesn't always make the best decisions, but he does have skill, and an "it" factor that makes him a winner.

[Corycouger]

Steve Young did not have a great defense.

The 1994 defense was good but not great since we had a lot of new guys that needed time to jell.

Also the Niners O line got schooled whenever we had to play that team from Wisconsin so Young had no chance.

Big Ben not put up the big stats but he knows how to win.

When he won his first Super Bowl he was only in his second season and he was still managing the game.

I wonder how good he could be if he had the Patriots O line in 2007 or a good O line that excels in pass blocking.

[ftn49]

One of the big problems is that sadly we live in a fantasy football world (at least with the average fan). They would take someone like Cutler because his stats look shiny, but they don't realize all the near ints he has thrown and the fact that he hasn't had a winning season since HS (I believe). Ben is capable of putting up big numbers (as evident as last year), but what should be look upon first is the fact he is a winner. You saw it in the SB. He drove the ball all the way down the field and made a ridiculous pass to win.

Thats exactly why the whole superbowl winning qb equals HOF thing is garbage, Peyton Manning in his prime wouldn't have had a winning record at Vanderbuilt while Cutler was there.

I have absolutely hated Roethlesburger because of all the credit he got for the first superbowl, I knew people where just going to ignore the fact that he had an attrocious game. This year, although I watched as few steelers games a possible, Roethlesburger did impress me with some of the things hes done, and I would put him in the top 5/7 of current nfl qbs easily, but nowhere near the top 10 HOF qbs.

[Blong4Ever]

Ben is a system QB and he's in a system designed around him. He doesn't have a quick release doesn't read defenses well and rarely makes big plays out of the called play. What he is probably the best in the league at is making plays out of nothing. He is not fast, not a scrambler but he has an amazing talent for avoiding the sack and getting the ball down the field or making a play. He is so tough to bring down you basically have to tackle his arm first then try and bring him down.

Now is he a HOF qb, no not even close in my opinion. Compare his performance to Kurt Warner's in the SB, who is a HOF lock in my opinion. With the way Ben plays I don't see a long carreer unless he learns the pro game. He's a great backyard qb but he isn't a technician when it comes to dissecting defenses and getting the ball out. He counts on his size and strength to buy him time while his receivers break of routes to get open.

Is he good yes, is he overhyped yes, is he a HOF not without several more years of good production. The Steelers weren't a dominant running team this year and Ben's stats should have been better.

[NewYorkNinerfan]

Here is my list of top ten active QB's, this is based on their past playing experience not just how they play now. (for example Favre is top ten, but hasn't played great lately.)
Top Ten ACTIVE QB's
1. B. Favre
2. P. Manning
3. T. Brady
4. D. Brees
5. K. Warner
6. D. Mcnabb
7. C. Palmer
8. M. Hasselback
9. B. Roethlisberger
10. C. Pennington

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I have absolutely hated Roethlesburger because of all the credit he got for the first superbowl, I knew people where just going to ignore the fact that he had an attrocious game.

That's not true at all.

The general concencous is that the Steelers won that first Super Bowl in SPITE of Ben's play.

All the talk for 2 weeks before this Super Bow was about how bad Ben played last time around.

[Corycouger]

Big Ben is a winner which is all that matters and he performs better in the big game than Peyton Manning.

When Peyton won the big game Dominic Rhodes and Addai carried their offense and Manning made some plays but he was not spectacular like he was in the regular season.

The true question will be if Big Bens rookie Mcfarlane figures will have near or equal the same value as Tom Brady Mcfarlane figures?

[Max_Power]

Here is my list of top ten active QB's, this is based on their past playing experience not just how they play now. (for example Favre is top ten, but hasn't played great lately.)
Top Ten ACTIVE QB's
1. B. Favre
2. P. Manning
3. T. Brady
4. D. Brees
5. K. Warner
6. D. Mcnabb
7. C. Palmer
8. M. Hasselback
9. B. Roethlisberger
10. C. Pennington

Good thinking. Here is mine, based on if football stopped right now and all we had to look at was their play thus far:

1.) Tom Brady
2.) Brett Favre
3.) Peyton Manning
4.) Kurt Warner
5.) Donovan McNabb
6.) Drew Brees
7.) Trent Green
8.) Daunte Culpepper (I know he's been terrible for a while, but those seasons of greatness rank at the very top of all-time)
9.) Mark Brunell
10.) Ben Roethlisberger (ONLY because of owning 2 rings)

[Corycouger]

Big Ben is a winner which is all that matters and he performs better in the big game than Peyton Manning.

When Peyton won the big game Dominic Rhodes and Addai carried their offense and Manning made some plays but he was not spectacular like he was in the regular season.

The true question will be if Big Bens rookie Mcfarlane figures will have near or equal the same value as Tom Brady Mcfarlane figures?

[Baba Ganoush]

Steve Young did not have a great defense.

The 1994 defense was good but not great since we had a lot of new guys that needed time to jell.

Also the Niners O line got schooled whenever we had to play that team from Wisconsin so Young had no chance.

Big Ben not put up the big stats but he knows how to win.

When he won his first Super Bowl he was only in his second season and he was still managing the game.

I wonder how good he could be if he had the Patriots O line in 2007 or a good O line that excels in pass blocking.

49ers Defensive rankings
1992: #3 Scoring #15 Total Yards
1993: #16 Scoring #15 Total Yards
1994: #6 Scoring #8 Total Yards
1995: #2 Scoring #1 Total Yards
1996: #4 Scoring #7 Total Yards
1997: #4 Scoring #1 Total Yards

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1997/opp.htm

He had very good defenses. 1993 was the only real average defense he had. His biggest problem was the lack of a solid running game. We had #13 scoring and #23 total yards defense in 1998, but still had a 12-4 record and a shot at the superbowl...until Hearst broke his ankle. If Watters never left, we would have won 1-2 more superbowls. We lost to Green Bay because we chucked the ball 50+ times per game.

[Montana_Magic]

Now is he a HOF qb, no not even close in my opinion. Compare his performance to Kurt Warner's in the SB, who is a HOF lock in my opinion.

Ok. Warner blew the game (again) and Ben didn't. That was easy.

[DTuck16]

The first Super Bowl win for Big Ben was really impressive. He out gunned Seattle and bailed his defense out. LOL

[WildCardBound]

Ok. Warner blew the game (again) and Ben didn't. That was easy.

Warner threw one pick just like Ben did, and it was early in the game. He didn't cost his team the game, without him they wouldn't have even been in the game. Throwing for 370+ yards, 3TD's and 1INT is never costing your team the game.

[Montana_Magic]

Warner threw one pick just like Ben did, and it was early in the game. He didn't cost his team the game, without him they wouldn't have even been in the game. Throwing for 370+ yards, 3TD's and 1INT is never costing your team the game.

Ben's pick was a fluke. Warner's (which was a 14 point swing) was just bad. You have 3 downs, you don't throw it unless you are sure. He needed all those yards to make up for that mistake.

[GoreScores]

Giving credit to a QB for game winning drives is overrated. If that same QB played better throughout the game maybe his team would not be behind.

You're right....Montana sucked too cuz all he did was make game-winning drives his whole career....

:banghead:

[GoreScores]

Ben's pick was a fluke. Warner's (which was a 14 point swing) was just bad. You have 3 downs, you don't throw it unless you are sure. He needed all those yards to make up for that mistake.

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[#13supporter]

How many QB's have two superbowl wins in their career? Is he a lock for top 10 and the HOF if he wins one more?

Jim Plunket isnt

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Ben's pick was a fluke. Warner's (which was a 14 point swing) was just bad. You have 3 downs, you don't throw it unless you are sure. He needed all those yards to make up for that mistake.

Fact of the matter is that Kurt Warner DID get all of those yards when they were needed, and he DID get all of those touchdowns when he needed them.

My biggest question is that, Kurt Warner has a lot more support than Ben. Ben has a good defense, but performs despite not having AMAZING weapons on offense. Hines Ward is rather reliable, but he's not a big playmaker. Kurt Warner has had Isaac Bruce, Tory Holt, Marshall Faulk, Anquan Boldin, and Larry Fitzgerald, all in their prime, when he had his success.

[WildCardBound]

Jim Plunket isnt

Yeah, you don't have to tell me. I was being a smart azz. I dont think Reothlisberger's 2 superbowl wins come even close to getting him, if i was a voter (im not, and he will get in). He would have to dominate as a player, not F-up like crazy, make a few decent plays, and have his team pull him through. I'd need more Peyton Manning/Tom Brady like dominance, a mastery of the position.

[Blong4Ever]

Yeah, you don't have to tell me. I was being a smart azz. I dont think Reothlisberger's 2 superbowl wins come even close to getting him, if i was a voter (im not, and he will get in). He would have to dominate as a player, not F-up like crazy, make a few decent plays, and have his team pull him through. I'd need more Peyton Manning/Tom Brady like dominance, a mastery of the position.

I agree with you. If Ben played the same way for a losing team he wouldn't even be considered top 10 in the league right now.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I love how everyone calls Ben a system QB, as if Montana wasn't.

[Montana_Magic]

Fact of the matter is that Kurt Warner DID get all of those yards when they were needed, and he DID get all of those touchdowns when he needed them.

Still doesn't change the fact that he blew the game.

I agree with you. If Ben played the same way for a losing team he wouldn't even be considered top 10 in the league right now.

I assume you are talking about the SB. He was at 70% for 256 yds with a TD (and a fluke int). I don't see why people think that is a bad game. As for the second part of your comment, most people had him in the top 10 before the season. So either you are talking out your *** or you don't follow the nfl that much.

[NewYorkNinerfan]

Still doesn't change the fact that he blew the game.



I assume you are talking about the SB. He was at 70% for 256 yds with a TD (and a fluke int). I don't see why people think that is a bad game. As for the second part of your comment, most people had him in the top 10 before the season. So either you are talking out your *** or you don't follow the nfl that much.

Warner didn't blow the game at all. I think that if you are going to compare Ben and Kurt's play in the Superbowl, you also have to look at the defenses they were playing against.

I mean seriously the Cards D isn't even comparable to the steelers.

[SING'S BOXERS]

nooooooo way

[johnm]

If the top 10 all time list of QBs includes the likes of Joe Montana, Steve Young, Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, John Elway, Johnny Unitas, etc? Heck no. Someday? maybe. But not now. There is no way I'd take a Roethlisberger over Manning or Brady...

But I will say this: Roethlisberger > Kurt Warner.

[johnm]

I love how everyone calls Ben a system QB, as if Montana wasn't.

Lol. I'm glad somebody had the guts to say that. I'm always afraid that i'll be flamed out of exisistence. Really though...every QB has a system.

[Blong4Ever]

There is no way I'd take a Roethlisberger over Manning or Brady...

Everyone seems to forget what Drew Brees has been doing, he deserves to be in that top tier with Manning and Brady. But there are more QB's I'd take over Ben we'll base this right now for next year that way age isn't a factor.

Manning
Brady
Brees
Warner
Rivers
Cutler
McNabb

And if you are looking for future franchise QB's Ryan and Flacco would be in the mix. Not to be a stat nazi but Ben was 24th in the league in passer rating you guys are putting him up on a pedestal because he's on a winning team. A team that had the #1 defense the entire year so that offense was given ample opportunities.

[Blong4Ever]

Still doesn't change the fact that he blew the game.



I assume you are talking about the SB. He was at 70% for 256 yds with a TD (and a fluke int). I don't see why people think that is a bad game. As for the second part of your comment, most people had him in the top 10 before the season. So either you are talking out your *** or you don't follow the nfl that much.

Your ignorance is flowing over. So if you play the best game ever played for a losing team you blew it?

[Montana_Magic]

Your ignorance is flowing over. So if you play the best game ever played for a losing team you blew it?

You don't realize there is a difference between playing a great game but losing and costing your team points and losing? Really, you can't see that?

While i think it's stupid when people make statements like the one i am about to make, but i think it's perfect for someone like you. The Cards lost by 4 and Warner spotted the Steelers 14.

However, I know those shiny yards are tough to over look.

[Blong4Ever]

You don't realize there is a difference between playing a great game but losing and costing your team points and losing? Really, you can't see that?

While i think it's stupid when people make statements like the one i am about to make, but i think it's perfect for someone like you. The Cards lost by 4 and Warner spotted the Steelers 14.

However, I know those shiny yards are tough to over look.

So by your theory since Ben threw a pick and the Cardinals scored he cost them 14 points as well? The fact that he adjusted and overcame the #1 defense in the league to put up a ton of yards and a good amount of points is tough to over look. You can argue Ben till your blue in the face but to say Warner blew that game is incredible dense, he was the only reason they were even in that game. You put Leinart in there in his place(their proclaimed Qb of the future) and they lose that game by 21+ points.

Let me guess you think Kobe sucked last year in the finals even though his team basically quit around him. Barry Sanders must have been a terrible rb too since he never won them a championship. Throw in Dan Marino now too, great players can play great and still lose in a team sport hence the saying "no I in team".

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Rivers
Cutler
McNabb

I would take Ben over ANY of these guys.

Rivers might have an argument, but definitely not Cutler or McNabb.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

You don't realize there is a difference between playing a great game but losing and costing your team points and losing? Really, you can't see that?

While i think it's stupid when people make statements like the one i am about to make, but i think it's perfect for someone like you. The Cards lost by 4 and Warner spotted the Steelers 14.

However, I know those shiny yards are tough to over look.

Warner didn't spot the Steelers 14, at worst, it was 7. There was only one interception that he threw.

Also, it wouldn't have hurt them at all if one guy, just ONE GUY out of 11, could have stopped a freaking LINEBACKER from going for 100 on them.

[Montana_Magic]

It was still points in the red zone he left on the field. That is inexcusable, especially when it happened on first down and your team is the underdog.

[Blong4Ever]

It was still points in the red zone he left on the field. That is inexcusable, especially when it happened on first down and your team is the underdog.

LOL so one bad throw cost them the game? Pretty much everything else he did was excellent especially in the 2nd half. So that throw not the terrible Az defense, not the atrocious O-Line play, nothing else by that throw cost them the game.

Az safety plays the man instead of the ball and Holmes gets knocked out of bounds and Warner is the hero...

[Blong4Ever]

Overlooking the fact that Ben’s int was a fluke. You don’t see a huge difference when one was within the 5 yard line? If he hadn’t blown that, then the Cards either go into the half tied or winning with momentum on their side and the ball at the start of the next half. If that happens, who knows if the Cards would have opened up the offense (which means Warner wouldn’t have got all those shiny yards that you love so much). Think about it, they didn’t start scoring and getting yards until desperation set in.

ps- It’s obvious that you have no idea what it means when i say he cost the Cards a 14 point swing. They were in position to score a TD (7 points). Instead the Steelers scored (7 points, that 14 total). You don’t use that statement on any turnover.

Well first of all it would have been 14-10 had they scored that td not tied. I blame that whole offense for not making 1 tackle to keep it 7-10. But you discount his efforts to bring them back. You say open up, that's exactly what they did anyways. Not like Edge was going to carry the load.

[Montana_Magic]

So by your theory since Ben threw a pick and the Cardinals scored he cost them 14 points as well? The fact that he adjusted and overcame the #1 defense in the league to put up a ton of yards and a good amount of points is tough to over look.

Overlooking the fact that Ben’s int was a fluke. You don’t see a huge difference when one was within the 5 yard line? If he hadn’t blown that, then the Cards either go into the half tied or winning with momentum on their side and the ball at the start of the next half. If that happens, who knows if the Cards would have opened up the offense (which means Warner wouldn’t have got all those shiny yards that you love so much). Think about it, they didn’t start scoring and getting yards until desperation set in.

ps- It’s obvious that you have no idea what it means when i say he cost the Cards a 14 point swing. They were in position to score a TD (7 points). Instead the Steelers scored (7 points, that 14 total). You don’t use that statement on any turnover.

[Montana_Magic]

Well first of all it would have been 14-10 had they scored that td not tied. I blame that whole offense for not making 1 tackle to keep it 7-10. But you discount his efforts to bring them back. You say open up, that's exactly what they did anyways. Not like Edge was going to carry the load.

You're killing me. I said it would either be tied (if they got the 3) or winning (if they got the TD).

I don't discount the fact that he got them back. I also am not going to overlook the Int that blew the game. We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

[badass316]

They should have thrown a fade to Fitz instead of that inside slant that got picked. I have no idea why you would even throw an inside slant inside the 5 when there's so many guys bunched up in such a small area. You're almost asking to get picked. If they would have just stuck to what they did best (get the f'n ball in fitz's hands), they would have been up 14-10 and more than likely won the game.

[Blong4Ever]

Well that call comes from the OC, doubt Warner audibled to a slant. Perhaps they thought Pitt would be expecting the fade so they ran the slant. Dunno I disagreed with the call too but in a snap and throw you just have to give it to Harrison for disguising his drop back. If Warner saw nothing in the pre-snap read that play doesn't have enough time to read the defense after the snap.

[Bandwagon49]

Nope!

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Well that call comes from the OC, doubt Warner audibled to a slant. Perhaps they thought Pitt would be expecting the fade so they ran the slant. Dunno I disagreed with the call too but in a snap and throw you just have to give it to Harrison for disguising his drop back. If Warner saw nothing in the pre-snap read that play doesn't have enough time to read the defense after the snap.

Pittsburgh disguised their D on that play amazingly well. Harrison even took a step or 2 towards the line as if he were blitzing, before he dropped back and undercut the route.

With the D Pittsburgh showed, I wouldn't be surprised if Warner DID audible to the slant. I probably would have too.

[esanton]

Not in a million years.

[9errealist]

Big Ben will be in the HOF. The only way he doesn't is if he suffers another bike accident that ends his career in the next 2 years.

Ben is one of the best few QB's in the league right now, has 2 rings, and is only 25. But with that, he'll be in the HOF but isn't top 10 yet.

Ask me again in 8-10 years and we'll see about top 10 of all time.
Two rings the refs gladly gave them vs NFC west teams......... IMO he's a solid QB but overrated in the same aspect.

[SBbound49ers]

Id say so.

He is really good in Madden.

[Montana_Magic]

His HOF chances just increased with the news that he played the game with broken ribs. That is something that is going to live on and be a talking point when his name comes up at the HOF meetings.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Two rings the refs gladly gave them vs NFC west teams.........

No. Just no.

Learn football before you speak. Please.

[IhatedaEagles]

Lets see:

Joe Montana
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
John Elway
Dan Marino
Dan Fouts
Joe Namath
Johnny Unittas
Steve Young
Brett Favre

It took me less than 1 minute to come up with that list. No sane or rational person would place Ben's carrer above any of those guys. Right now he does not even sniff the top-10 list. Maybe when it is all set and done he will be up there. Right now... no way.

[Ness]

Two rings the refs gladly gave them vs NFC west teams......... IMO he's a solid QB but overrated in the same aspect.

Why does it matter that the two teams he faced were from the NFC West? Seattle was dynamite that season. And Arizona was just as dangerous this postseason. Yes there were some questionable calls in both games, but Ben Roethlisberger still had to make plays to get his team in position to win the game. Especially in the last game where he had to drive 88 yards in under two minutes for the final score. Would you really be as blatant if the 49ers won the Super Bowl in the same fashion and Ben Roethlisberger was our quarterback?

[Ness]

I love Big Ben, but the truth of the matter is that he was drafted onto a team that was a contender before he even get there. Did he help them get over the top? Sure, but let's not try and make it seem like he made the Steelers' franchise what it is.

He was arguably the SuperBowl MVP this last year, but his team won in spite of a miserable performance by him in their other SB win.

Let's see what he does in the next 9-10 years before calling him an all time great.
True, but let's give credit where it's due. Steelers probably don't have two Super Bowl rings without Ben Roethlisberger and Ben Roethilsberger probably doesn't have two Super Bowl rings without the Steelers. The team needs him and he needs that team.

[SB49er4life]

I love Big Ben, but the truth of the matter is that he was drafted onto a team that was a contender before he even get there. Did he help them get over the top? Sure, but let's not try and make it seem like he made the Steelers' franchise what it is.

He was arguably the SuperBowl MVP this last year, but his team won in spite of a miserable performance by him in their other SB win.

Let's see what he does in the next 9-10 years before calling him an all time great.

[IhatedaEagles]

well considering he's only 25 and still has 10-15 good years of ball left and has already achieved more then basically anyone on that list in the postseason....I'd say he's got a pretty good shot. Especially to pass guys like Fouts and Namath pretty easily.

I agree, but if he were not to take one more snap ever he would not even make it to the HOF. As I always like to say, lets wait and see. Ben might end up as one of the greatest when it is all set and done. Right now he is just a good QB who has had a very very good carrer.

[49ersforlife5x]

Never. No matter what he does!

[bruin4life]

How many QB's have two superbowl wins in their career? Is he a lock for top 10 and the HOF if he wins one more?

Don't think it matters. his first SB win is pretty much a wash as statistically he wasn't even in the game. This game he did pretty good if he has another SB game win or lose but shows up in a big way then yes i'm all for him. If he doesn't show up in big games then he doesn't show up in the HOF, imo.


That said, right now I don't think there's a better QB on 3rd down than Ben and I think he's one of the best 4th qtr QBs right now..

[BigBensAngel7]

is ben a top 10 qb of all time right now? are you crapping me? no way. although he is a good qb, he isnt the best 10 of all time. he is one of the top 10 right now though. for all of those that say it was the defense, the defense couldnt get fitzgerald when he scored that 60yd td. and it wasnt the steeler defense that was throwing and catching the ball in that last drive. it sounds like alot of people here are jealous they dont have a qb that is as good as ben.. and for the record ben is 26 not 25 ;). and he is the best qb we have had since bradshaw.