View Full Version : Byron Leftwich...
dnt1127
02-04-2009, 11:55 PM
How would you feel if we picked him up this offseason... i know he wants a chance to start and i think this would be a great place for him. He went 7th in the 2003 draft as a big arm and did not to bad with the jags and from the lil i saw in pitt he still has alot game in him. He had a 54 touchdowns to his 38 pics with no good WRs with the Jags and Falcons and still played decent. Just turned 29 so at QB thats not too old and have him and Alex smith and Hill compete for the job would be a good mix... i think he would be a great fit for this team. Not saying he my dream QB but would be a good pick for not a high price. He has a 80.3 QB rating 58.6 percent completed passes 9624 yards and he also rushed for 9 TDs.
Ron Temple
02-05-2009, 12:12 AM
It's touted that we have interest in him. Personally, I think he's the guy that Singletary was thinking of when he said our 09 QB might not be on the roster. I wouldn't be surprised if we get him. He'd be guaranteed a competition with Hill. Whether he'd be better is open to debate.
ninerlvr4lyfe
02-05-2009, 12:18 AM
its really not that far fetched. i mean people have said names from Cullpepper to Cassell. but personally i think Leftwich *if not retained by Pitt* can have a definate shot at comming to our team. i mean if he doesnt start, he is a comprable backup. he's someone i dont mind having on my squad.
Ron Temple
02-05-2009, 12:26 AM
its really not that far fetched. i mean people have said names from Cullpepper to Cassell. but personally i think Leftwich *if not retained by Pitt* can have a definate shot at comming to our team. i mean if he doesnt start, he is a comprable backup. he's someone i dont mind having on my squad.
+1 ... me neither.
NinerLifer
02-05-2009, 12:51 AM
I think Hill has more of a winning mentality, and more of a drive to win, but I wouldnt mind having Leftwich on the team.
dhiLL
02-05-2009, 01:24 AM
Yeah, I'd like to see him compete here.
How would you feel if we picked him up this offseason... i know he wants a chance to start and i think this would be a great place for him. He went 7th in the 2003 draft as a big arm and did not to bad with the jags and from the lil i saw in pitt he still has alot game in him. He had a 54 touchdowns to his 38 pics with no good WRs with the Jags and Falcons and still played decent. Just turned 29 so at QB thats not too old and have him and Alex smith and Hill compete for the job would be a good mix... i think he would be a great fit for this team. Not saying he my dream QB but would be a good pick for not a high price. He has a 80.3 QB rating 58.6 percent completed passes 9624 yards and he also rushed for 9 TDs.
Jimmy Smith wasn't a good receiver?
Anyways, wouldn't mind him coming here for a shot as a backup. But that would be literally be it. Quite frankly, I think we've seen everything Leftwich has to offer. He's really just been average to sometimes decent in his career. And his durability issues throughout his time in the NFL hinder his value.
ArmchairGM
02-05-2009, 03:59 AM
I thought about this, too. Signing Leftwich seems to make a lot of sense. I don't see him as a long-term solution, but I think he can compete with Hill for the starting job. Hill is mobile with a quick delivery, but possess a weak arm. Leftwich, on the other hand, can drive the ball down field, but has a long delivery and is immobile. Both can manage an offense, but I'll give Byron the edge in leadership ability. Most importantly, if I was going into a playoff game I would rather have Leftwich under center than Hill.
sic62
02-05-2009, 04:05 AM
If we don't resign Smith I'm all for grabbing him. Always thought he's gotten a raw deal.
I thought about this, too. Signing Leftwich seems to make a lot of sense. I don't see him as a long-term solution, but I think he can compete with Hill for the starting job. Hill is mobile with a quick delivery, but possess a weak arm. Leftwich, on the other hand, can drive the ball down field, but has a long delivery and is immobile. Both can manage an offense, but I'll give Byron the edge in leadership ability. Most importantly, if I was going into a playoff game I would rather have Leftwich under center than Hill.
Why? Leftwich has played in one playoff game in his career in which he did horrible. As for leadership, that's really subjective. And it really doesn't matter who has the better leadership if you have better talent as a player. That comes first. Leftwhich is immobile, slow, and injury prone. I'd be disappointed if he was our starter.
Frisco
02-05-2009, 04:20 AM
Byron Leftwich reminds me of a Dan Marino, Drew Bledsoe type of QB where you need to build a concrete wall in front of because they rely on the deep pass down field. I would not like this because Leftwich is not a gamer like Shaun Hill...
In 3 years you will all regret wishing we had another QB other then Hill, he is the real deal...
Franxhise QB! Championship.
Byron Leftwich reminds me of a Dan Marino, Drew Bledsoe type of QB where you need to build a concrete wall in front of because they rely on the deep pass down field. I would not like this because Leftwich is not a gamer like Shaun Hill...
In 3 years you will all regret wishing we had another QB other then Hill, he is the real deal...
Ehhh...Dan Marino could avoid pass rushers. Bledsoe and Leftwich not so much.
proudcanadian99
02-05-2009, 05:50 AM
If we signed Byron I would be very disappointed. I think he's a very average QB at best. I agree with some of the others that Hill seems to have more of a desire and is willing to do more for a win.
keehner87
02-05-2009, 08:25 AM
I don't think its that far-fetched. I think he's a Singletary-type player. I mean anyone who gets carried down the field by his OLinemen in the last two minutes of the game just so he can stay in and win the game for his team so his toughness and his competitive nature. And I think he would be able to compete for the starting job. He may not win it, but he would be a high-quality backup if nothing else.
jwallace
02-05-2009, 08:51 AM
Byron Leftwich is way to slow i would rather have david carr as a back up to hill.
ATLNINER_FAN
02-05-2009, 09:06 AM
How would you feel if we picked him up this offseason... i know he wants a chance to start and i think this would be a great place for him. He went 7th in the 2003 draft as a big arm and did not to bad with the jags and from the lil i saw in pitt he still has alot game in him. He had a 54 touchdowns to his 38 pics with no good WRs with the Jags and Falcons and still played decent. Just turned 29 so at QB thats not too old and have him and Alex smith and Hill compete for the job would be a good mix... i think he would be a great fit for this team. Not saying he my dream QB but would be a good pick for not a high price. He has a 80.3 QB rating 58.6 percent completed passes 9624 yards and he also rushed for 9 TDs.
No good. Leftwich can't avoid a sack for anything; the man has no mobility, so when the pocket colapses, he can't extend the play.
SING'S BOXERS
02-05-2009, 09:07 AM
why the hell not, if the money's right
NateClements
02-05-2009, 09:16 AM
How would you feel if we picked him up this offseason... i know he wants a chance to start and i think this would be a great place for him. He went 7th in the 2003 draft as a big arm and did not to bad with the jags and from the lil i saw in pitt he still has alot game in him. He had a 54 touchdowns to his 38 pics with no good WRs with the Jags and Falcons and still played decent. Just turned 29 so at QB thats not too old and have him and Alex smith and Hill compete for the job would be a good mix... i think he would be a great fit for this team. Not saying he my dream QB but would be a good pick for not a high price. He has a 80.3 QB rating 58.6 percent completed passes 9624 yards and he also rushed for 9 TDs.
No. Thanks. He sucks!
beasley for pres
02-05-2009, 10:03 AM
He's got a ring!
TheWileyVet
02-05-2009, 10:06 AM
No thanks! Do we really have the line to block for this sloth? We need someone that can move around and scramble when needed!
Dem40Boyz
02-05-2009, 10:11 AM
No good. Leftwich can't avoid a sack for anything; the man has no mobility, so when the pocket colapses, he can't extend the play.
A lot of good QB's don't have mobility brady is one of them i think if we can sign him to put some pressure on hill to play even better because alex smith will not do that,if the price is right i say do it.
Tracker
02-05-2009, 10:12 AM
He is not as immobile as people make him out to be. He looked very good this year with Pittsburg. He is a guy who has been in the league a while and can actually get the ball down field.
Just a few of his 2008 highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usskE9s5neU). This is not an endorsement of his “awesomeness” as the video maker thinks but it is a good cross section of his versatility; arm strength and decision make ability.
I would be thrilled if we got him here.
ArmchairGM
02-05-2009, 11:36 AM
Why? Leftwich has played in one playoff game in his career in which he did horrible. As for leadership, that's really subjective. And it really doesn't matter who has the better leadership if you have better talent as a player. That comes first. Leftwhich is immobile, slow, and injury prone. I'd be disappointed if he was our starter.
I understand your concern. I like Hill, but he will get exposed in the playoffs like any weak-armed qb. A good defense could just stuff the box, sit on the short routes and make Hill beat them deep. Leftwich arm-strength forces teams to defend the whole field. If the offense can establish a strong running game, then the play-action pass can counter Leftwich's immobility.
jmichura
02-05-2009, 11:59 AM
I wouldn't mind if we get him. However, I wouldn't expect much either.
IndianaJim
02-05-2009, 12:06 PM
Byron Leftwich reminds me of a Dan Marino, Drew Bledsoe type of QB where you need to build a concrete wall in front of because they rely on the deep pass down field. I would not like this because Leftwich is not a gamer like Shaun Hill...
In 3 years you will all regret wishing we had another QB other then Hill, he is the real deal...
I can't believe I just read that. :headhurts:
And if I hear one more person use the word "gamer" my head's gonna 'splode.
No way Pittsburgh parts with Leftwich. They'll sign him.
Gof the Gij
02-05-2009, 12:30 PM
I think Pitt wants to keep Sandwich as a backup to Cheeseburger.
I understand your concern. I like Hill, but he will get exposed in the playoffs like any weak-armed qb. A good defense could just stuff the box, sit on the short routes and make Hill beat them deep. Leftwich arm-strength forces teams to defend the whole field. If the offense can establish a strong running game, then the play-action pass can counter Leftwich's immobility.
You're not even giving Hill a chance. Not even a chance to fail, let alone succeed. And we don't know what Hill will be like during a playoff game. One could say that a strong running game could help Hill's lack of arm strength as you think it would Leftwich's immobility...even though I think that theory isn't a very good one, because it certainly didn't help Leftwich when he had a good running game in Jacksonville. The guy still got sacked, hurt, and played average.
Monster49er
02-05-2009, 01:19 PM
Byron Leftwich is way to slow i would rather have david carr as a back up to hill.
Fail :slap:
BrentJones84
02-05-2009, 01:37 PM
I don't much see the point.
We have a stop gap QB already. We still have the never ending Alex saga.
What we need is a young guy with future potential.
49ersz
02-05-2009, 01:42 PM
I wouldn't mind at all if we signed him.
ATLNINER_FAN
02-05-2009, 02:00 PM
A lot of good QB's don't have mobility brady is one of them i think if we can sign him to put some pressure on hill to play even better because alex smith will not do that,if the price is right i say do it.
Tom Brady? Tom Brady has plenty mobility. He can extend a play when needed and scramble. Leftwich can do neither. Trust me, I've seen more than my share of Jag games plus he played for the Falcons last year...it would be a mistake.
ArmchairGM
02-05-2009, 02:10 PM
You're not even giving Hill a chance. Not even a chance to fail, let alone succeed. And we don't know what Hill will be like during a playoff game. One could say that a strong running game could help Hill's lack of arm strength as you think it would Leftwich's immobility...even though I think that theory isn't a very good one, because it certainly didn't help Leftwich when he had a good running game in Jacksonville. The guy still got sacked, hurt, and played average.
All I'm saying is that I would let Leftwich, if they aquire him, compete with Hill. I wouldn't give him the job outright. In my opinion Hill is not a Superbowl caliber qb, he might get to the playoffs but he will be limited by his arm strength like Chad Pennington or Jeff Garcia.
How would a strong running game help Hill's arm-strength? Wouldn't it just bring more defenders closer to the line of scrimmage? A strong running game and play-action would slow down the pass rush, which could benefit Leftwich's lack of mobility
I'm not saying Leftwich is a franchise qb, but I think he gives us a slightly better chance than Hill. Just my opinion. How it plays out...idk.
How would a strong running game help Hill's arm-strength? Wouldn't it just bring more defenders closer to the line of scrimmage?
More defenders at the line of scrimmage would help Hills chances of succeeding with a long ball just like it would any other quarterback.
ArmchairGM
02-05-2009, 02:16 PM
More defenders at the line of scrimmage would help Hills chances of succeeding with a long ball just like it would any other quarterback.
How if he doesn't have arm-strength. If you have a guy like Ed Reed back there and he lobs up a duck like he frequently does, it's going to get picked
dnt1127
02-05-2009, 02:41 PM
Jimmy Smith wasn't a good receiver?
Anyways, wouldn't mind him coming here for a shot as a backup. But that would be literally be it. Quite frankly, I think we've seen everything Leftwich has to offer. He's really just been average to sometimes decent in his career. And his durability issues throughout his time in the NFL hinder his value.
ok i agree jimmy smith is a hall of famer in my eyes but it it not true jimmy smith was pretty much it and leftwich had jimmy when he was old. Also average to decent is better then what we have had which is just average but thx for you view on it.I just think he would be a good guy for QB roster spot
How if he doesn't have arm-strength. If you have a guy like Ed Reed back there and he lobs up a duck like he frequently does, it's going to get picked
Just by the nature of there not being more defenders in the secondary to defend against the pass. It's not about the quality of the players in the secondary, it's about the quantity. That's why it helps anyone's chances.
ok i agree jimmy smith is a hall of famer in my eyes but it it not true jimmy smith was pretty much it and leftwich had jimmy when he was old. Also average to decent is better then what we have had which is just average but thx for you view on it.I just think he would be a good guy for QB roster spot
Jimmy Smith had some of his most productive seasons during the ladder half of his career. The guy still had serious speed. Just ask Chris McAlister.
dnt1127
02-05-2009, 02:45 PM
A lot of good QB's don't have mobility brady is one of them i think if we can sign him to put some pressure on hill to play even better because alex smith will not do that,if the price is right i say do it.
i agree u really dont need to be mobile!...If you have the right coaching and the right players around him he will win and get a good OL and WR in the draft or FA he will be fine ...im fine with him or hill if u ask me
A lot of good QB's don't have mobility brady is one of them i think if we can sign him to put some pressure on hill to play even better because alex smith will not do that,if the price is right i say do it.
I think you're confusing mobility with pocket presence. Tom Brady isn't that mobile, but he has pocket awareness. Which is why his sack total is usually low. Dan Marino had it as well. As does Peyton Manning. And it's not just his offensive line, since that same offensive line didn't help Cassel avoid getting sacked 47 times. And I'm by no means giving the offensive lines of these quarterbacks zero credit, but in this day of free agency, you can't keep the same offensive line together forever. Plus injuries adds to the difficult of continuity. You still need a quarterback that has good pocket awareness...whether they are mobile or not. Leftwich never had either trait.
9errealist
02-05-2009, 02:52 PM
How would you feel if we picked him up this offseason... i know he wants a chance to start and i think this would be a great place for him. He went 7th in the 2003 draft as a big arm and did not to bad with the jags and from the lil i saw in pitt he still has alot game in him. He had a 54 touchdowns to his 38 pics with no good WRs with the Jags and Falcons and still played decent. Just turned 29 so at QB thats not too old and have him and Alex smith and Hill compete for the job would be a good mix... i think he would be a great fit for this team. Not saying he my dream QB but would be a good pick for not a high price. He has a 80.3 QB rating 58.6 percent completed passes 9624 yards and he also rushed for 9 TDs. I would feel sick to my stomach. The guy has a 20 sec release and Hill has more mobility then he does........
ArmchairGM
02-05-2009, 02:53 PM
Just by the nature of there not being more defenders in the secondary to defend against the pass. It's not about the quality of the players in the secondary, it's about the quantity. That's why it helps anyone's chances.
I understand that. What I'm trying to say is when you lack arm strength a qbs timing and accuracy have to be spot to succeed, especially when going down field. My point is Hill doesn't have what it takes to consistently beat single safety coverage and if he is asked to throw down field frequently he ends up getting picked like the last two games of the season.
dnt1127
02-05-2009, 02:57 PM
yall really think hill can when a playoff game?Leftwich has played in a playoff game and has been in a super bowl maybe not played but just bein thier is more then alot of QB's can say but thats not a big point.Even if hill pans out in the season he will be the next TONY ROMO that makes me sick to juts say it.Dont get me wrong i like him but thats y i think the would be to good Qbs to have a throw Smith in the mix.
badass316
02-05-2009, 04:30 PM
No, thanks. Leftwich is trash.
I understand that. What I'm trying to say is when you lack arm strength a qbs timing and accuracy have to be spot to succeed, especially when going down field. My point is Hill doesn't have what it takes to consistently beat single safety coverage and if he is asked to throw down field frequently he ends up getting picked like the last two games of the season.
Just give Hill an opportunity as a fan. It's his job to lose. If he really isn't that great over a long term, then we will see.
ArmchairGM
02-05-2009, 07:33 PM
Just give Hill an opportunity as a fan. It's his job to lose. If he really isn't that great over a long term, then we will see.
Haha... I do support Hill. To be honest, I'll support anyone who wins the starting job. I supported JTO and I hate that guy's guts on a personal level, because I knew him in college. It's just my opinion, I don't claim to be an expert. I've been wrong before.
Tovey21
02-05-2009, 07:44 PM
Leftwich has a rocket for an arm. The fans that love to complain about Hill's poor arm strength should actually be endorsing signing Leftwich.
LottdownD42
02-05-2009, 09:21 PM
I really liked Leftwich out of college. very likeable guy and a team player..
You guys touched on his release.. the pat and slow delievery kill him! Without that he's got a strong arm and good accuracy with bad mobility! I wouldn't be against bringin him in for the Vet average and letting him compete with a rookie and A. Smith!
Dem40Boyz
02-06-2009, 08:32 AM
Tom Brady? Tom Brady has plenty mobility. He can extend a play when needed and scramble. Leftwich can do neither. Trust me, I've seen more than my share of Jag games plus he played for the Falcons last year...it would be a mistake.
how would it be a mistake to sign him as a backup? he is better than alex smith,plus when he came in for pitt he played very well.
Dem40Boyz
02-06-2009, 08:33 AM
No, thanks. Leftwich is trash.
he is better than alex smith
psychoj1016
02-06-2009, 08:37 AM
koy detmer is better than alex smith could ever be....
killadelphia
02-06-2009, 08:53 AM
koy detmer is better than alex smith could ever be....
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5_CMp7GU1wY/RzEUptmWG1I/AAAAAAAAA7U/tTcjgdUyfpc/s400/koydetmer.jpg
all hail the neck beard.
dnt1127
02-06-2009, 10:05 AM
i think smith hill leftwich would be a solid QB core all said in done so i really hope we get him
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