Jeremy Maclin

[Hypocr1t1cal]

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I was just checking out Todd McShay's latest mock draft expecting to see another Mark Sanchez pick. But to my surprise he makes good knowledgeable points about why we wouldn't take him and instead has us taking Jeremy Maclin. In his mock all the players that most of us are hoping for such as, Raji, Brown, and Jenkins are gone.

I thought about it and really, if all those guys are gone this wouldn't be too bad of a move. Just look at what the Steelers did in the Super Bowl to utilize Santonio Holmes. They used him a few times essentially has a running play with quick screens where he was able to pick up a good chunk of yards. We don't have any playmaker that's a threat to have a huge gain off of his own skills and ability. I am a Hill supporter and understand his limitations and a guy like Maclin who can take the short gain and get huge YAC is very intriguing.

Honestly, if the first 9 picks played out as McShay has it, I do find it hard to believe Singletary would take him over a good defensive player like Maybin or even Maualuga but I hope he would.

Here's a highlight video to show what he's capable of: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzrltr66LqI&feature=related

[SING'S BOXERS]

no to a WR with 1st pick. Sorry, he's not Calvin Johnson

[Hypocr1t1cal]

no to a WR with 1st pick. Sorry, he's not Calvin Johnson

No **** he's not Calvin Johnson, they are completely different types of players. I don't classify Maclin as a prototypical WR I see him as an overall playmaker.

[SB49er4life]

no to a WR with 1st pick. Sorry, he's not Calvin Johnson

Dwayne Bowe was also not Calvin Johnson.

[odu73]

One of the about 8 players I would like at #10.

[dm77]

I like it. Doubt it happens if Maulugs is available as a safer pick.

[icedearth168]

Id have no problem with that pick.

[duxstar]

Looking at that mock ......... there are about 3 possibilities to go with at that pick

#1. Micheal Oher ........... we desperately need a RT, and if we don't want to find one in FA then we could look here as an option.

#2. Brian Orakpo .......... Could grade out to be the next shawn merriman but he could also bust big time as well, might have to take a chance on him though with almost everyone else I like going ahead of us.

#3. Jeremy Maclin -.......... Wouldn't mind him at all, throw him on the field and put him next to Josh Morgan, and re-sign Bryant Johnson and we have a nice core, I almost feel like Morgan and Maclin are the same type of receiver though and don't know how i would feel ........ however I wouldn't hate this pick either.

It's really how the FA period shakes out, we need a RT, FS, Pass rushing OLB, NT, and #1 WR in that order.

[Ness]

No thanks. I don't doubt Maclin's potential, I just don't think we should use our first round pick on a receiver. I'm assuming Josh Morgan and Isaac Bruce are going to be our starters come opening day along with Jason Hill and perhaps Dominique Zeigler. We have some young talent that is finally starting to show chemistry. We should give our current group a chance.

[TheWileyVet]

No thanks. I don't doubt Maclin's potential, I just don't think we should use our first round pick on a receiver. I'm assuming Josh Morgan and Isaac Bruce are going to be our starters come opening day along with Jason Hill and perhaps Dominique Zeigler. We have some young talent that is finally starting to show chemistry. We should give our current group a chance.

Agree, unless it's Crabtree we shouldn't look to get a WR with the first pick. However, I could see us picking up another WR in the later rounds.

[Ness]

Agree, unless it's Crabtree we shouldn't look to get a WR with the first pick. However, I could see us picking up another WR in the later rounds.

Yeah I wouldn't mind someone in the later rounds definitely. It's always good to have more depth. Jarrett Dillard is probably my favorite receiver in the draft. I'd really love it if we got him.

[MontereyNiner]

Here's a highlight video to show what he's capable of: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzrltr66LqI&feature=related

Well we definitely don't have anyone on our team who can do that

And as for malalalalauga please no. We already have a sideline to sideline guy. the other ILB needs to be able to take on blocks for willis to do his own thing. We don't need two glamour players at that position

[Ness]

and yet nobody on our current roster can do alot of the things that Maclin can do. Maclin appears to be in the Tory Holt mold which may be too much to pass up.

The NFL is a passing league and the 49ers are going backwards right now with subpar QB play and WR's on the outside.

So I do see your point that we can go in another direction for a team with so many needs, but sooner or later we have to realize we need to change what we've done in the past in order to succeed. So I wouldn't mind a guy like Brown, Orakpo, or a RT.........but a guy like Maclin could give us a playmaker this team lacks on either side of the ball.

I'm just really high on rookie receivers personally. A lot of them take time to dominate at a top ten level. Especially if we're talking Torry Holt like production. Not saying I would be totally disappointed, but I just feel that we can get more value with that pick by selecting someone else. If we're going to make a long term investment on the type of player that may take a while to develop, I'd probably rather select a quarterback. But then again a scenario where we selected someone like Maclin with our first and maybe someone like Nate Davis in the later rounds...well I'd say that would be a move in the right direction.

[SB49er4life]

and yet nobody on our current roster can do alot of the things that Maclin can do. Maclin appears to be in the Tory Holt mold which may be too much to pass up.

The NFL is a passing league and the 49ers are going backwards right now with subpar QB play and WR's on the outside.

So I do see your point that we can go in another direction for a team with so many needs, but sooner or later we have to realize we need to change what we've done in the past in order to succeed. So I wouldn't mind a guy like Brown, Orakpo, or a RT.........but a guy like Maclin could give us a playmaker this team lacks on either side of the ball.

I don't doubt that Maclin could be a good WR in the NFL, I just have my doubts about him coming in and beating out Bruce, Morgan or Jason Hill on the depth chart.

[SING'S BOXERS]

No **** he's not Calvin Johnson, they are completely different types of players. I don't classify Maclin as a prototypical WR I see him as an overall playmaker.

I know they're different types of players jackass, I'm just talking about a WR actually being worth a top 10, and IMO, Maclin isn't. Raji will impact our team much quicker than he would.

[SB49er4life]

I know they're different types of players jackass, I'm just talking about a WR actually being worth a top 10, and IMO, Maclin isn't. Raji will impact our team much quicker than he would.

DT's usually take a while to adjust to the pro game, unless they are particularly well coached upon entering the NFL. In the trenches in the league, EVERYONE is a monster, so it comes down to mastering technique and knowing your opponent.

Besides that, I agree that I don't really like Maclin at #10, especially if Isaac Bruce comes back. I don't see Maclin leap frogging him, Morgan or Jason Hill as a rookie.

If Raji is all that he looks like on his college highlight reel, I'm all for the pick... but his crappy Senior Bowl performance sticks out like a sore thumb. People can say "Oh, the game itself doesn't matter as much as the practices" all they want, but football is played in pads, 11 on 11, not in shorts and in drills.

It's also telling that the 2 DT's that killed it in the actual GAME the last 2 years - Amobi Okoye and Sedrick Ellis - looked very good as rookies, whereas Glen Dorsey and Adam Carriker, the top DL from 2 years ago didn't do **** in the Senior Bowl, and SURPRISE, didn't do much of anything their rookie year.

Those are the facts, not my opinion.

[Grigga2122]

How about his return skills. I would love Maclin i would like Percy Harvin too people are sleepin on him. We draft Maclin we dont need to waste money on Rossum.

[Hypocr1t1cal]

No thanks. I don't doubt Maclin's potential, I just don't think we should use our first round pick on a receiver. I'm assuming Josh Morgan and Isaac Bruce are going to be our starters come opening day along with Jason Hill and perhaps Dominique Zeigler. We have some young talent that is finally starting to show chemistry. We should give our current group a chance.

There's been a lot of people on here saying we should go after a WR in Free Agency and I don't like that idea because I don't see much of an upgrade in FA. However, none of our receivers have the breakaway speed and playmaker ability that Maclin possesses. We all saw what we passed on in DeSean Jackson (which hurts even more because we could've used our second round pick) and how he was able to help the Eagles. Football is so much about speed and I see very little potential for him being a bust with that type of speed. I'm very high on our young core of receivers but I feel that Maclin is in another league compared to them. And no, Morgan couldn't dream of catching Maclin in a foot race.

As far as him being a returner, if we drafted him I'd assume he'd be the starting punt returner.

[beasley for pres]

didn't Carriker blow up in the Senior Bowl??

I'm pretty sure he went from 2nd rounder to top 15 that week

and Dorsey didn't participate in the Senior Bowl

Jay Moore was the one who blew up during the senior bowl, but Carriker had a good showing as well.

[SB49er4life]

There's been a lot of people on here saying we should go after a WR in Free Agency and I don't like that idea because I don't see much of an upgrade in FA. However, none of our receivers have the breakaway speed and playmaker ability that Maclin possesses. We all saw what we passed on in DeSean Jackson (which hurts even more because we could've used our second round pick) and how he was able to help the Eagles. Football is so much about speed and I see very little potential for him being a bust with that type of speed. I'm very high on our young core of receivers but I feel that Maclin is in another league compared to them. And no, Morgan couldn't dream of catching Maclin in a foot race.

As far as him being a returner, if we drafted him I'd assume he'd be the starting punt returner.

Josh Morgan.

Maclin brings a different kinda skill-set than Morgan and it would add a dynamic to our offense, but not having a playmaker on offense shouldn't be a reason why we should draft him.

As for a "foot race", Josh Morgan has game speed enough to get by and behind NFL secondary's rather effortlessly. Maclins' strength seems to lie in making big things happen after the catch.

[Ness]

There's been a lot of people on here saying we should go after a WR in Free Agency and I don't like that idea because I don't see much of an upgrade in FA. However, none of our receivers have the breakaway speed and playmaker ability that Maclin possesses. We all saw what we passed on in DeSean Jackson (which hurts even more because we could've used our second round pick) and how he was able to help the Eagles. Football is so much about speed and I see very little potential for him being a bust with that type of speed. I'm very high on our young core of receivers but I feel that Maclin is in another league compared to them. And no, Morgan couldn't dream of catching Maclin in a foot race.

As far as him being a returner, if we drafted him I'd assume he'd be the starting punt returner.

Speed isn't everything. It takes more than just being a one-trick pony to succeed in the NFL as a wide receiver. I don't doubt Maclin, just your philosophy. If Maclin's speed is the thing that you think will save the 49ers, then you have another thing coming. Ashley Lelie has speed, but isn't that great of a wide receiver.

[NateClements]

No **** he's not Calvin Johnson, they are completely different types of players. I don't classify Maclin as a prototypical WR I see him as an overall playmaker.

Are you high? Maclin is going to be a stud. How many times have you seen him play?

[9erfanfromday1]

I do not think we should go offensive skill player at #1, but if we do I would rather draft Moreno or Wells since we plan to run a lot. Pair up one of those studs with Gore. Also, rookie RBs are way more likely to be successful immediately than rookie WRs and we need this team to succeed sooner rather than later.

[9erfanfromday1]

rookie WR's have just as good of a chance to contribute as a Rb. Especially if you have a stud like Gore, because that rookie RB isn't going to have alot of touches.

Well I guess I have to disagree with you.....let's take a look at RBs when they were rookies:

Stud rookie RBs:

Chris Johnson
Steve Slaton
Adrian Peterson
Cadillac Williams
Felix Jones last season until he got hurt
A whole bunch that I cannot think of right now....

Stud rookie WRs:

maybe Calvin Johnson?
Heck, Jerry Rice, the best WR of all time had 927 receiving yards and 3 receiving TDs his rookie season.......but then look at his 2nd season 1570 yards and 15 TDs and his 3rd season 1078 yards and 22 TDs....

Basically, most WRs do not blow up until their 3rd season for the most part, IMHO.

[beasley for pres]

Maclin is going to be a stud, I wouldn't be angry if we took him.

[WhistlingMtn]

Randy Moss
Kevin Johnson
Anquan Boldin
Andre Johnson
Larry Fitzgerald
Roy Williams
Michael Clayton
Calvin Johnson
Dwayne Bowe
DeShaun Jackson
Marques Colston
Chris Chambers
Terry Glenn
Joey Galloway
Donnie Avery
Lee Evans
Braylon Edwards (until he busted up his knee)
Donte Stallworth (before injuries)


Eddie Royal!

[WehaveVD]

With a gaping hole at ROLB, RT(Snyder is a quality back-up), and FS, I would be disappointed if we took Maclin @ 10, especially if Oher, Brown,Raji, or Orakpo is still on the board...

I think with our run-first philosophy there is about a 2% chance we take that guy....

[SB49er4life]

thank you. I'm sure I left out more then him. Those were just some that came from the top of my head.

Josh Morgan did some nice things for us this year as a rookie, and would have done a lot more were it not for an untimely staph infection and torn groin.

[corto]

huhuhuhuhuh you said gape.

[WhistlingMtn]

hate to break it to you, but we also have a gaping hole at WR. But lets not stop there, we also have gaping holes at QB, FB, #2 CB, TED LB on top of the previosuly mentioned RT, OLB, FS, and WR.

This team has so many holes its sickening. Outside of LT, HB, G, #1 CB, and Mike LB we need an upgrade and could do so pretty easily.

I agree and disagree with you. I think the only true "gaping" whole on the team is RT and I expect that to be at least somewhat filled in FA. The rest of the team can be upgraded, yes, but I don't consider them to be sickening. Yea Roman sucks, the team has two young players getting ready for the transition. Franklin isn't amazing, but he played well enough to keep any rookie at bay next year. Balmer was just drafted last year. Haralson is looking better each year. Spikes will probably be back. Heitman was the best lineman the back half of the year. Staley, Baas, and Rachal getting better with continuity. Morgan and Hill both showed quality potential.

Yes, just about every position can be upgraded, but almost every team can say that about almost every position.

Basically the 49ers are really in a best-player situation, which is great because the top 10 could go in any number of ways, but there is going to be someone at 10 who is good. If it's Maclin, great, we all saw what kind of impact a guy like Holmes is and Maclin is better. Maclin is like Eddie Royal plus 15 pounds and 3 inches. If it's Raji, great he'll probably be a very good level NT in 3-4 years. If it's Brown or Orakpo, nice a pass rushing threat. If they don't get a RT in free agency and it's Smith or Oher, nice, the line is stocked with young players gelling together for the next 5 years ( save Center ). If it's Sanchez, nice we have the QB for 2011+.

I just don't see how they go wrong with the pick, unless all four tackles are gone and they take another tackle. Then I will just kill someone.

[SING'S BOXERS]

DT's usually take a while to adjust to the pro game, unless they are particularly well coached upon entering the NFL. In the trenches in the league, EVERYONE is a monster, so it comes down to mastering technique and knowing your opponent.

Besides that, I agree that I don't really like Maclin at #10, especially if Isaac Bruce comes back. I don't see Maclin leap frogging him, Morgan or Jason Hill as a rookie.

If Raji is all that he looks like on his college highlight reel, I'm all for the pick... but his crappy Senior Bowl performance sticks out like a sore thumb. People can say "Oh, the game itself doesn't matter as much as the practices" all they want, but football is played in pads, 11 on 11, not in shorts and in drills.

It's also telling that the 2 DT's that killed it in the actual GAME the last 2 years - Amobi Okoye and Sedrick Ellis - looked very good as rookies, whereas Glen Dorsey and Adam Carriker, the top DL from 2 years ago didn't do **** in the Senior Bowl, and SURPRISE, didn't do much of anything their rookie year.

Those are the facts, not my opinion.

Ellis didn't look that good as a rookie......

[SB49er4life]

Ellis didn't look that good as a rookie......

Sedrick Ellis was injured a good amount last year. He was effectuve when he played. I'm also pretty sure he handled Eric Heitman, one of the better C's in the league, for a sack against NO when we played earlier this year.

[roryslosh]

But i like how you conveniently left out some very legit WR's that came into the league and dominated right away. Guys like:

Randy Moss
Kevin Johnson
Anquan Boldin
Andre Johnson
Larry Fitzgerald
Roy Williams
Michael Clayton
Calvin Johnson
Dwayne Bowe
DeShaun Jackson
Marques Colston
Chris Chambers
Terry Glenn
Joey Galloway
Donnie Avery
Lee Evans
Braylon Edwards (until he busted up his knee)
Donte Stallworth (before injuries)


the old saying "it takes a WR 3 years" is in the past. WR's come into the league every year and dominate. It doesn't take years to see production and that old saying needs to go. If a guy can play then he can play WR right away.

That is a ridiculously generous list to claim they all "dominated" as rookies. Donnie Avery had 674 yards, 3 tds. Calvin Johnson 756 yards 4 tds. In fact the majority of that list didnt crack 1k which is hardly even a "dominating" number.

Not only that listing a guy like stallworth who had something like 600 yards as a rookie and has been a bum since hardly helps the argument.

[MontereyNiner]

That is a ridiculously generous list to claim they all "dominated" as rookies. Donnie Avery had 674 yards, 3 tds. Calvin Johnson 756 yards 4 tds. In fact the majority of that list didnt crack 1k which is hardly even a "dominating" number.

Not only that listing a guy like stallworth who had something like 600 yards as a rookie and has been a bum since hardly helps the argument.

Did our receivers set records last year and no one told me?

[roryslosh]

Did our receivers set records last year and no one told me?

Bruce out preformed many on that lists rookie season.

Thats hardly the point though, all im saying is the word "dominated" is a bit extreme and in all likelyhood a wr actually wont start to really produce until years 2-3 and beyond.

[Hypocr1t1cal]

Are you high? Maclin is going to be a stud. How many times have you seen him play?

What? I think my whole post is about how I think he's gonna be a stud.

Speed isn't everything. It takes more than just being a one-trick pony to succeed in the NFL as a wide receiver. I don't doubt Maclin, just your philosophy. If Maclin's speed is the thing that you think will save the 49ers, then you have another thing coming. Ashley Lelie has speed, but isn't that great of a wide receiver.

Flat out 40 speed isn't everything you're right, but the moves and ability to break away from defenders is everything from a playmaker perspective. Honestly, I'm afraid of using this first round pick on a bust and I think the players remaining in the mock are boom or bust players. Maclin to me however is as close to a guarantee of being a good player as there will be. And please never ever compare Ashley Lelie to Maclin.

It seems you guys are forgetting I'm talking about in this situation I would want Maclin. McShay's mock has Raji gone, Jenkins gone, Brown gone and all the top OL gone. At that point I'd much rather have Maclin over Orakpo, Maybin or Maualuga.

[9erfanfromday1]

That is a ridiculously generous list to claim they all "dominated" as rookies. Donnie Avery had 674 yards, 3 tds. Calvin Johnson 756 yards 4 tds. In fact the majority of that list didnt crack 1k which is hardly even a "dominating" number.

Not only that listing a guy like stallworth who had something like 600 yards as a rookie and has been a bum since hardly helps the argument.

Good post. Rep.

[roryslosh]

- you're looking at stats too much. for you to say Megatron didn't dominate when given the chance to shine is completely short-sighted on your part. Alot of those guys came into the league and contributed a great deal. And the whole 'it takes 3 years' argument is completely false as well.

- Stallworth could be an excellent WR in this league if it wasn't for being injury prone. And don't get me started with RB's that lit the world on fire early on and faded out the year after, guys like:

Lamar Smith
Michael Bennett
Anthony Thomas
Samkon Gado
Domanik Davis
Mike Anderson
Ickey Woods
Jamal Anderson

and my personal favorite........Kevan Barlow!



- see you completely missed the point of al of this. The OP thought it took 3 years for WR's to make an impact in this league which is completely false. i created a list of 18 players off the top of my head that came right in and took care of business as rookies.

WR's, especially of late have come right in and played well in the league. Sure RB's can do the same but as we've seen its such an easy position to find because the league is saturated with RB's you dont technically need to use a top pick to find that horse RB.

Ive missed nothing, you for some reason have convinced yourself that rookie WRs break into the NFL at full stride and are really reaching to try to argue it.

Regardless of the validity of your list its actually pretty common knowledge that college WRs do have to go through a transitional period when entering the NFL. Ive heard Jason Hill speak of "relearning" the position in regards to route running. He mentioned how Sullivan stresses running many more speed cuts versus college and it became a new element of his game he needed to work on.

Again providing a hodgepodge list of guys with varied NFL careers doesnt help your argument at all. I mean half the guys on the list progressed significantly by years 3 as it is and ironically that seems to be what you are arguing against, not to mention youve managed to find a questionable list of only 10-15 out of hundreds and hundreds of players.

[SING'S BOXERS]

If Raji is gone, I guess I'd be ok with this pick, but IMO we have much bigger needs than WR.

I don't think Sing's first drafting move as a HC would be to take a WR

[WhistlingMtn]

Again providing a hodgepodge list of guys with varied NFL careers doesnt help your argument at all. I mean half the guys on the list progressed significantly by years 3 as it is and ironically that seems to be what you are arguing against, not to mention youve managed to find a questionable list of only 10-15 out of hundreds and hundreds of players.

I think the point was that it's about as hard for any position to come right into the NFL and be successful ( except QB, which is **** near impossible ).

The 49ers shouldn't be making a selection based on who has the quickest impact anyway. Should be about 2010, 2011 and beyond.

[roryslosh]

I think the point was that it's about as hard for any position to come right into the NFL and be successful ( except QB, which is **** near impossible ).

The 49ers shouldn't be making a selection based on who has the quickest impact anyway. Should be about 2010, 2011 and beyond.

Im not arguing for or against what we should do. Im just saying regardless of what this guy wants us all to believe different positions do have different learning curves when transitioning from college to pros.

[SB49er4life]

All bias aside, I would REALLY be surprised to see us pass up on Everette Brown or Brian Orakpo if they fall to #10.

An A1 pass rusher is what this team and D needs the absolute most to take the next step, and unless we sign Suggs/Peppers in FA, I don't see us passing up on them.

I'm beginning to like our spot at #10 a lot. We will have a lot of good choices regardless of where we go.

[TheWileyVet]

All bias aside, I would REALLY be surprised to see us pass up on Everette Brown or Brian Orakpo if they fall to #10.

An A1 pass rusher is what this team and D needs the absolute most to take the next step, and unless we sign Suggs/Peppers in FA, I don't see us passing up on them.

I'm beginning to like our spot at #10 a lot. We will have a lot of good choices regardless of where we go.

Yea I agree, no matter how the cards fall we are gonna fine at 10 :sfhelmet:

[xcfan]

it's not every year that you can feel good about taking a WR a #10, but maclin is a "go to" guy...you saw in the super bowl what a "go to" receiver is. if you get him the ball, he'll make big plays.

he's worthy of the pick if an elite OT isn't there.

my only concerns are: 1. lack of QB who is effective 30-40 yards downfield.
2. his knee.

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/multimedia/graphic/2007/09/27/g-092707acl/popup/

[Benji]

Picks that would make sense to me:

Andre Smith
Jason Smith
Michael Oher
Malcolm Jenkins
Aaron Curry
Brian Orakpo
Jeremy Maclin
B.J. Raji
Everette Brown